[00:18] <Snowhog> CartoonCat: I can confirm that using the flashplugin64-installer from SevenMachines PPA 'just works' where as the default flashplugin-installer does not.
[00:24] <Brian_H> for some reason when I log into kde after the desktop loads I get about 20-30 seconds of freezing that prevents me from doing anything.  are there any tools I can use to help track down what the cause is?
[00:24] <Brian_H> this is on kubuntu 11.04 latest updates
[00:25] <ionite> what is linux mint?
[00:25] <ionite> what's the difference between Linux mint and kde 11.4?
[00:25] <szal> !mint
[00:31] <James147> ionite: it is a distro that I think uses kde (like kubuntu does)... so you cannot really compare it `to` kde
[00:31] <ionite> James147: meaning it's inferior to KDE?
[00:31] <ionite> James147: ure using ubuntu?
[00:32] <James147> ionite: no... its a distro like kubuntu is... and as far as I know it uses kde as its desktop envrioment like kubuntu does
[00:33] <szal> James147: no, there is a KDE edition of Mint
[00:33] <szal> but the default is something else, afaik
[00:33] <James147> szal: :) all I know is they have kde ... dont know much beyond that
[00:34] <James147> but either way... you cannot compare a distro to a desktop envrioment
[00:34] <szal> indeed
[00:34] <ionite> James147: szal i'm a noob to linux which should i use?
[00:34] <szal> plus there's no such thing as 'kde 11.4' ;)
[00:35] <szal> ionite: you gotta be kidding, you've been roaming around here for at least two weeks now..
[00:36] <James147> ionite: kubuntu and mint are two different distros that (like all linux distros) have different goals and ways of doing things... there is no one "best" distro and you `should` use which ever you like the ebst
[00:37] <ionite> szal: yes. and im having such tecnical issues with some environment, for eg, chinese input, now i'm using LTS.
[00:37] <James147> ionite: try them both, use the one you like more... one o hte greate things about linux is there is so much choise (much like standards :D )
[00:37] <James147> one of the great ^^
[00:37]  * James147 should go to bed
[00:38] <LINKSWORD2> I dunno... I've used Fedora aka "RedHat" as well as Ubuntu and Knoppix....
[00:38] <ionite> James147: ubuntu unity cant work well in my netbook
[00:38] <LINKSWORD2> But I prefer Kubuntu.
[00:38] <ionite> LINKSWORD2: kde, isn't it resource heavy?
[00:39] <LINKSWORD2> Not in my experience.
[00:39] <James147> ionite: as much as most feature right envroments
[00:39] <James147> rich ^^
[00:39] <James147> :p
[00:39] <LINKSWORD2> I have Kubuntu on a VERY old Compaq system that could barely tolerate Windows 2000.
[00:39] <LINKSWORD2> Yet Kubuntu works very well on it.
[00:40] <ionite> LINKSWORD2: are u using KDE LTS or 11.4?
[00:40] <ionite> i'm considering if i should use ubuntu LTS.
[00:40]  * szal ran a KDE distro DVD (PCLinuxOS) on a PIII 933 w/ 512 MB RAM once..  epicly slow, but worked
[00:41] <LINKSWORD2> I believe I'm still running 10.10.
[00:41] <James147> szal: what version was it? 4.0 was very slow compared to the later version
[00:41] <Snowhog> ionite: There are two main factors that determine what Linux distro you can use: The minimum hardware requirements of the distro (if your hardware doesn't meet the minimums, you can't use it), and how you feel about it.
[00:42] <ionite> ok guys here are my specs: 1.66 GHZ atom, 2gb ram, 256 video.
[00:42] <szal> James147: FullMonty 2011.01 (KDE 4.4 or something)
[00:42] <James147> ionite: kubuntu should run fine on that ^^ it does on my netbook wiht similar specs (exept the video memory)
[00:43] <szal> LINKSWORD2: what is a system that can 'barely tolerate Windows 2000'?  I remember running W2k no problem on a Celeron 450 w/ 256 MB RAM
[00:43] <James147> szal: hmm, on a live dvd? ^^ wouldnt expect it to run great in a live envroment with 512 ram
[00:44] <szal> James147: yes, live DVD
[00:44] <James147> szal: should try an actual install on it :) I would think it should be allow smoother
[00:44] <James147> considering there was probally no swap and the livesystem would be eating lots of ram :)
[00:45] <szal> James147: (1) couldn't convince my father to free up space for an install ;); (2) the machine is dead now (mobo kicked the bucket)
[00:45]  * James147 dosnt quite understand how live system work with limited ram :p though he hasnt really look into it
[00:45] <LINKSWORD2> I suppose I should rephrase....
[00:46] <LINKSWORD2> My system originally had a 1.66 GHz Pentium 4 and 256 MB of RAM.
[00:46] <LINKSWORD2> Not overall bad, but the RAM sucked horribly.... UPGRADE!!!
[00:46] <szal> W2k runs on as little as 128 MB RAM
[00:47] <szal> or even on 64 MB, because 128 is the minimum requirement for XP
[00:47] <DaemonFC> yeah, then you start loading modern software and you're in trouble
[00:47] <DaemonFC> 400 MB of RAM for Firefox
[00:47] <DaemonFC> a few hundred for an office suite
[00:47] <LINKSWORD2> It was designed for XP, but came with W2K.
[00:47] <DaemonFC> good choice
[00:47] <DaemonFC> given the two
[00:47] <LINKSWORD2> Anyway. Let's move on.
[00:49] <ionite> James147: so what should i do? d/l kde? ubuntu doesn't seem very light on my netbook. i need something light and pretty.
[00:51] <James147> ionite: download every distro you are intrested in, try them for about a week (or less if you really cannot stand them :D )  and then keep the one you liked the most
[00:55] <ionite> James147: lol. i can't simply d/l so many. maybe any 3-5 suggestions so i can work around?
[00:55] <ionite> James147: also LTS and non LTS which should i choose?
[00:56] <James147> ionite: then start with ubuntu/kubuntu... (I would alsways use the latest version unless you need long term support... which home users generally dont)
[00:57] <LINKSWORD2> To get the widest variety, I'd recommend Fedora/RedHat, Knoppix, Debian, Mint, and of course, Kubuntu/Ubuntu.
[00:57] <James147> ionite: if nether kubuntu or ubuntu feel right to you then you can try other distros
[00:57] <ionite> does ubuntu have the non-unity version?
[01:00] <ionite> James147: can i disable unity in ubuntu?
[01:00] <James147> ionite: you would have to ask #ubuntu
[01:00] <ionite> oh ya. on the wrong channel
[01:01] <ionite> James147: but kde is great but how can i make it lighter? or is there any lighter version of kde?
[01:02] <James147> ionite: there are no different "version" of kde like that ^^ but you can configure kde in prity much anyway...
[01:02] <ionite> James147: so i can make it lighter so to speak?
[01:02] <ionite> James147: but ubuntu appears to have quite some bugs. so i'm hesistant
[01:13] <szal> there is no such thing as bug-free software (except for TeX perhaps)
[01:26] <LINKSWORD2> If you want bug-free, and you've got a lot of money to get rid of, go get a Mac...
[01:26] <LINKSWORD2> Otherwise.... You don't have many options. lol
[02:18] <CartoonCat> #@$!%
[02:18] <CartoonCat> Ok so I was doing a psaux and nspluginwrapper is running with no browsers active
[02:19] <CartoonCat> its got a lock on the libflashplayer.so I am guessing that is stopping the isntaller from working correctly.
[02:24] <LINKSWORD2> CartoonCat: I consider myself to be well-versed in technical terms related to systems... But that seriously went over my head.
[02:25] <LINKSWORD2> Can you please elaborate on your problem without using jargon or shorthand?
[02:39] <LINKSWORD2> That was fun. I hit the button I thought I had set up for opening the System Monitor and instead, the computer shut down...
[02:43] <DaemonFC> GNOME 3 got me the other day
[02:44] <DaemonFC> its shut down menus depend largely on what button you have pressed on the keyboard at the time
[02:44] <DaemonFC> makes no sense just to avoid a couple entries
[02:49] <LINKSWORD2> lol
[02:50] <LINKSWORD2> DaemonFC: Do you know what shortcut there may be for the System Monitor?
[02:50] <DaemonFC> it's under system/system monitor
[02:52] <LINKSWORD2> Yeah, but is there a keyboard shortcut?
[02:52] <DaemonFC> you might be able to set one
[02:52] <LINKSWORD2> ... I'm going to have to find out where. :/
[03:07] <avihay> LINKSWORD2: do you mean ctrl+esc
[03:07] <LINKSWORD2> Apparently that's it... lol
[03:56] <riff> how is it possible to do a simultianious boot?
[03:59] <LINKSWORD2> riff: You can do a DUAL boot, but not a simultaneous boot.
[04:00] <riff> i've seen it a system that ran linux mac os and windows
[04:00] <LINKSWORD2> That's a mult-partitioned system.
[04:01] <LINKSWORD2> It is possible to do that, but you CANNOT run two or more operating systems directly at the same time.
[04:02] <LINKSWORD2> In my experience, it is best to install Windows first, then use a utility called EasyBCD to set the system up to run the other operating systems.
[04:02] <riff> what is easy bcd?
[04:03] <LINKSWORD2> Google search it. It will tell you all that you need to know.
[04:03] <LINKSWORD2> And do some reading in their documentation before you decide to use it or not.
[04:03] <LINKSWORD2> The other option, and perhaps better even, is to install the Mac OS, then use Mac's BootCamp to set up the other partitions.
[04:03] <LINKSWORD2> Each option has its own benefits and risks.
[04:04] <LINKSWORD2> If you prefer to install Linux first, you'll have to talk to someone else here that knows how to partition with Linux.
[04:05] <riff> why do you prefer this over say grub?
[04:06] <LINKSWORD2> EasyBCD takes place of the boot editors present in Windows, and can manage the setup for other operating systems and boot managers...
[04:07] <LINKSWORD2> I've done setup with Mac and with Windows, but never with Linux, and therefore not with GRUB....
[04:07] <LINKSWORD2> So I prefer what I know how to do.
[04:07] <LordCrc> where can i change the wallpaper for the loading screen? (after login)
[04:07] <LordCrc> oh and hi :D
[04:07] <riff> fair enough,
[04:08] <LINKSWORD2> LordCrc: If you'll give me a couple minutes, I'm working with someone else at the moment.
[04:08] <LordCrc> LINKSWORD2: thanks
[04:08] <LINKSWORD2> riff, depending on where you are located, you'll probably see better results, and more people to ask your questions to in about 12 hours.
[04:09] <LINKSWORD2> Are there any more questions I can answer?
[04:09] <riff> need to get ahold of my old boss he had a computer that could do a simultanious boot
[04:10] <LINKSWORD2> Agh! Blasted..... @#$% thing....
[04:10] <LINKSWORD2> Sorry.
[04:10] <LINKSWORD2> LordCrc: I believe I'm available to help you now.
[04:12] <LINKSWORD2> LordCrc: Open the Launcher menu and point to Settings, then to System Settings.
[04:12] <LordCrc> aaight
[04:13] <LINKSWORD2> If your layout is using the category system, you'll see Login Screen in the bottom row.
[04:13] <LordCrc> ah yes
[04:14] <LINKSWORD2> From there, you're able to manage already-installed login screens, and get new ones.
[04:15] <LINKSWORD2> If you need help with a particular one, I can help you out
[04:17] <poitee> Im unable to get dual monitors setup in kubuntu 11.10 on an nvidia card.. any suggestions?
[04:17] <LordCrc> *phone*
[04:18] <LINKSWORD2> poitee: NVidia is known to have issues with Kubuntu because they don't provide Linux-based drivers on their website.
[04:18] <LordCrc> LINKSWORD2: well, the background for the loading screen is not the same as the background for the login screen
[04:19] <LINKSWORD2> poitee: I think your best bet is to see if you can find a compatible driver in one of the repositories, or you may have to wait.
[04:19] <LINKSWORD2> LordCrc: That's somewhere else. Just a moment and I'll see if I can find it.
[04:19] <LordCrc> ah
[04:19] <LINKSWORD2> It's called a Splash Screen.
[04:19] <LordCrc> Splash screen
[04:19] <LordCrc> righ
[04:19] <LordCrc> thanks :D
[04:19] <FloodBotK1> LordCrc: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[04:19] <poitee> LINKSWORD2: I did find a compatible driver.. everything seems to work just wont initialize my second monitor
[04:19] <LordCrc> ok so i have to modify this theme
[04:19] <LordCrc> bit sensitive bot there :D
[04:20] <LINKSWORD2> poitee: Would you mind conversing in private so I can get better details and help you more accurately?
[04:20] <poitee> no problem
[04:23] <LINKSWORD2> LordCrc: How are you progressing?
[04:23] <LordCrc> well, i cant find a simple way to modify an existing theme
[04:23] <LordCrc> i just want to change the background scaling
[04:24] <LINKSWORD2> LordCrc: Is this a theme from the theme manager, or one you have to download via a link?
[04:24] <LordCrc> LINKSWORD2: this is the bog standard theme
[04:24] <LordCrc> LINKSWORD2: aka "Default"
[04:25] <LINKSWORD2> Please give me about 5 minutes and I'll work directly with you.
[04:25] <LordCrc> LINKSWORD2: its just i use the same wallpaper for my desktop, but with a different scaling (i dont have widescreen here, looks squished), so and it just looks so jarring when it switches between the two scaling modes :D
[04:25] <LordCrc> i know, minor detail but :)
[04:26] <LordCrc> the rest of kubuntu looks so slick so it's kinda standing out more
[04:27] <LINKSWORD2> As I said, I can work with you directly, LordCrc. I just need a few minutes.
[04:27] <LordCrc> thanks!
[04:28] <LINKSWORD2> First up, LordCrc....
[04:28] <LINKSWORD2> !imagebin
[04:29] <LordCrc> ive had a bit of a kubuntu break as 8.04 and onwards was completely unreliable on my laptop, but i must say it's really come together for 11.10
[04:29] <LordCrc> yes?
[04:29] <LINKSWORD2> Also, I recommend using KSnapshot to take your screenshots, as it allows you to manage what you capture.
[04:30] <LINKSWORD2> But you can upload them to http://imagebin.org/?page=add
[04:30] <LordCrc> what exactly was it you'd like me to screenshot again?
[04:31] <LINKSWORD2> What theme are you wanting to modify?
[04:31] <LINKSWORD2> The standard Horos theme?
[04:32] <LINKSWORD2> Oops. I must've gotten booted out for flooding. lol
[04:32] <LordCrc> reset by peer it said
[04:33] <ssfdre38> so your network resetted
[04:33] <LINKSWORD2> ... Fail. lol
[04:33] <LordCrc> anyway, yes, the default Horos theme
[04:33] <LINKSWORD2> What parts of it are you trying to modify?
[04:33] <LordCrc> wallpaper scaling mode
[04:34] <LordCrc> sorry, "Positioning"
[04:34] <LordCrc> from "Scaled" to "Scaled & Cropped"
[04:35] <LordCrc> it just seemed intuative to me that one should be able to easily modify a theme (like using a theme as a template for a new theme)
[04:35] <LINKSWORD2> LordCrc: I'm not finding that option.
[04:36] <LordCrc> LINKSWORD2: http://imagebin.org/171216 <-- thats for my desktop, i'd like to do the same to the splash screen
[04:37] <LINKSWORD2> Hold on. I think I'm getting confused by trying to work on two things at once.
[04:37] <LordCrc> sure np
[04:37] <LordCrc> i'll be here :)
[04:42]  * LINKSWORD2 pokes random people.*
[04:45] <LINKSWORD2> LordCrc: I don't think you can set the splash screen to such things as "Scaled & Cropped"
[04:45] <LordCrc> hmm, i guess ill have to manually copy the theme and make a new one then?
[04:45] <LordCrc> i mean modify it as a new theme
[04:47] <LINKSWORD2> That's getting into territory I don't know.
[04:47] <LordCrc> bummer, anyway thanks for the help
[04:47] <LordCrc> hmm activities seems like something id really love in another 2 releases or so :)
[04:47] <LINKSWORD2> Perhaps I could help you more if there were a better way for you to explain it... etc.
[04:48] <LINKSWORD2> You can already do SO much with Kubuntu lately. It gets more and more awesome each time.
[04:48] <LordCrc> no worries, and yes :)
[04:49] <LordCrc> like i said, 11.10 is really looking good
[04:49] <LINKSWORD2> I'm running 11.04.
[04:50] <LordCrc> i'll be getting a new laptop soon, so i thought i might as well check out the new one
[04:50] <LINKSWORD2> I try to avoid upgrading to the .10 extensions, because they're classified as a short-term support release, and can also have more bugs...
[04:50] <LordCrc> ah
[04:51] <LordCrc> well 11.04 didnt agree with my machine last time i checked it out
[04:52] <LordCrc> feels good to be back to kubuntu though :) my most important apps are kde based anyway so
[04:52] <LINKSWORD2> :)
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[07:58] <mika__> Hi
[09:22] <tdn> I have multiple monitors. I have
[09:22] <tdn> Oups. That was not the whole message :)
[09:24] <tdn> When I dock my laptop, I have multiple monitors. I have a plasma panel with shortcuts for frequently used programs and folders. However, this panel is only visible on one monitor. How do I make it visible on all monitors? I know I can add a new panel on each monitor, however, then I need to manually add each shortcut as well as maintain these shortcuts in sync with the other panel.
[09:26] <James147> tdn: as far as I know there is no current way to duplicate pannels or keep two in sync
[09:28] <James147> tdn: I would suggest fileing a bug report if there isnt one already ^^
[09:35] <tdn> James147, ok. I will.
[09:36] <tdn> James147, what product should I file the bug under? Plasma?
[09:36] <James147> tdn: the panels are part of plasma
[09:36] <tdn> Ok
[09:40] <tdn> James147, https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=281463  <- Here is the bug if you would like to confirm it that would be great :)
[10:09] <bigbrovar> Is there a way to get kmail2 to work with the indicator menu plasmoid?
[11:12] <esperegu> how can I restart the sound? it only gives computer style noice
[11:21] <szal> esperegu: (1) press Ctrl+Alt+F1 (or any of F1 thru F6) & login if you aren't already; (2) sudo stop kdm && sudo stop alsasound && sudo start alsasound && sudo start kdm
[11:22] <szal> esperegu: attention, this will stop and restart KDE, so save any work you might be doing
[11:22] <esperegu> szal: hmm. I would like to restart it while remaining in session
[11:23] <szal> esperegu: most probably not possible because running programs might be using the sound system
[11:23] <esperegu> szal: stop: Unknown job: alsasound
[11:23] <szal> thus preventing it to stop
[11:23] <szal> hmm..
[11:24] <szal> it's alsasound pretty much everywhere else, why not in *buntu?
[11:24] <James147> sudo alsa force-reload   ^^might work
[11:26] <esperegu> James147: at least now it's quiet
[11:26] <esperegu> :-D
[11:29] <esperegu> hmmm. since I broke it makes no sense to restore it. restarting. thx anywai
[11:50] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[11:51] <ArchangelSe7en> 'lo
[13:30] <fitha> hi
[13:32] <drostie> So, just wondering: what are the privacy implications of Nepomuk? For example, I keep a journal encrypted with TrueCrypt -- is Nepomuk just going to leak the names of files therein (not so bad -- those are just dates) or is there actual indexing of the content that goes along with it?
[13:32] <drostie> Or does Nepomuk play nice and store the metadata in a hidden file in the directory, so that it respects encryption, or something like that?
[13:33] <drostie> And will it store information about, say, things I have torrented long after I have deleted those things?
[13:34] <James147> drostie: well, you can tell it to ignore patterns ^^ so you should be able to configure it to ignore your encrypted dirs
[13:34] <James147> drostie: though I cannot actually say much about the other stuff :)
[13:35] <drostie> Hmm. Well I guess I'll put this another way then. Do people here actually use Nepomuk for anything? :D
[13:36] <James147> drostie: file tagging it useful :)
[13:36] <drostie> That's kind of what I was thinking. It might be useful to enable it maybe in my photos directory or so, if it makes searches faster.
[13:37] <James147> drostie: and as far as I know it stores all info in a database rather then in the directory structure
[13:37] <drostie> Aww. :< Cleaner but less modular.
[13:37] <James147> drostie: also faster ^^ whats the point in indexing if you just place the index with the files ^^
[13:38] <James147> have to then have a way to search for the indexes to search the index :p
[13:38] <fitha> hi
[13:38] <fitha> i am newer
[13:38] <James147> hello fitha
[13:38] <fitha> xixi
[13:39] <fitha> i am chinese
[13:39] <drostie> Well there is still a use if you were categorizing photos and each folder had a .nepomuk file. It would just read in the .nepomuk files from all the directories and aggregate the tags when you wanted to do a search.
[13:39] <fitha> i am in china ,i am chinese,i
[13:39] <drostie> The real question is just whether the database can fit into memory or so.
[13:40] <James147> drostie: depends on how much memory :)
[13:40] <James147> drostie: but with indexing enabled it can become quite large (in excess of servral gigs)
[13:40] <Pici> !zh | fitha
[13:41] <fitha> ok
[13:41] <fitha> thank u
[13:42] <James147> drostie: ^^ that is assuming you have allot of files :)
[13:44] <James147> drostie: you can select which files and folder it will index... (defaults to everything in your home that isnt hidden)... so you can easaly configure it to not index private data
[13:49] <drostie> Yeah, I can probably exclude ~/Torrents and so on, and KDE routinely breaks privacy concerns more flagrantly.  (Translation: I once found naughty pics in ~/.thumbnails.)
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[15:07] <Pici> !pl
[15:08] <kalwin> thx ;)
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[15:48] <tzanger> hello; I have an odd probelm... plasma-desktop is "on top" of all my windows. I log in, I see plasma desktop. I can alt-f2 to run another program (chromium, konsole, etc.) but they are all invisible becuase the desktop graphic is on top of them.  alt-tab shows them in the list, and if I blind-type "killall plasma-desktop" then I can use them just fine
[15:49] <tzanger> I have no kicker, nothing... just the plasma desktop and whatever I run manually.  any ideas on how to kill the plasma desktop configuration so it starts with a clean slate (and hopefully fixes this) ?
[15:55] <James147> tzanger: you happen to go from dual screen to a single monitor?
[15:56] <tzanger> James147: actually that is exactly what happened, yes
[15:56] <jony> hello all
[15:56] <jony> I have an issue with Kubuntu...
[15:57] <jony> "you can only select local files"
[15:57] <jony> this happens when I try to play a movie via VLC
[15:57] <jony> I don't want to mount the SAMBA share as a local drive
[15:57] <jony> I want to play it just double clciking on the movie
[15:58] <jony> can it be done?
[15:58] <James147> tzanger: yea, its a bug in plasma, resetting plasma back to default fixes it (and resets all your widgets/wallpapers) "mv ~/.kde/share/config/plasma-desktop-appletsrc ~ "
[15:58] <tzanger> jony: sounds like a VLC problem, not a kubuntu problem
[15:58] <James147> tzanger: you might be able to edit the file as well, though I havnt tried that yet :)
[15:59] <James147> tzanger: also, you should file a bug report if there isnt one already
[15:59] <tzanger> James147: ahh, thank you
[15:59] <James147> jony: dragon player and kaffeine should beable to
[16:00] <James147> jony: but I am not sure VLC understands network folders ^^
[16:00] <jony> ok... I've installed Acetone ISO too to mount some image file that are in the same SAMBA share too.... same message :((
[16:01] <tsimpson> for most non-KDE applications, you need to mount the samba share to use it
[16:01] <jony> in Ubuntu worked perfectly
[16:01] <tsimpson> because Gnome applications do a similar thing to KDE applications
[16:02] <tsimpson> but VLC is neither KDE nor Gnome
[16:02] <tsimpson> it'd probably work in dragon player fine, but not VLC
[16:02] <jony> ok, and how you explain that VLC is working fine in Ubuntu
[16:02] <jony> ?
[16:03] <tsimpson> perhaps gnome actually mounts the samba share in the background
[16:03] <jony> in this moment I am writing the Ubuntu imaghe to a CDRW... :P
[16:04] <jony> too shame, 'cause I liked much more the Kubuntu-like interface
[16:05] <tsimpson> so use a KDE application to play your video, or mount the share
[16:05] <jony> bye for now... the CD is ready
[16:05] <jony> TY all for helping me
[16:30] <tzanger> hm, I'm trying to free up some space on the drive by removing specific kde packages I don't need/want, but apt-get is telling me it'll remove kubuntu-desktop as well in that case... is there a way to remove specific kde components without taking the entire thing out?
[16:30] <black_devil_ss47> как мога да си инсталирам MAC OS Snow Leopard на лаптопчето ACER ASPIRE ONE 150
[16:34] <James147> tzanger: kubuntu-desktop is a meta package to install everything kubuntu comes with by default ^^ ... though its not normally a consern for space if you have given your / partition enough sapce
[16:34] <James147> tzanger: "sudo apt-get autoclean" should help free up some space by removing old archived .deb files it has downlaoded that are no longer installed on the system
[16:35]  * James147 notes that you should be abel to remove kubuntu-desktop without much trouble, but this can cause issues during a distro upgrade
[16:36] <James147> ^^and generally isnt recomened unless you have one of the other *-desktop meta packages installed
[16:36] <black_devil_ss47> интересуваме ро точно как става с USB флашка
[16:37] <James147> !ru | black_devil_ss47
[16:42] <black_devil_ss47> ако ми кажеш как докато пиша на български език и при изпращането на текста да се превежда на съответния език
[16:43] <black_devil_ss47> на събеседника отсреща
[16:43] <BluesKaj> !bl
[16:43] <BluesKaj> !bu
[16:44] <black_devil_ss47> Руски,  Английски  ...
[16:44] <BluesKaj> !bg
[16:48] <poitee> Im having a hard time getting dual monitors going with an nvidia card.. card is a gtx 550 ti one DVI out and one HDMI out... no video through HDMI.. it recognizes the monitor just will not display..
[17:06]  * lethu is away: Awwwwway...
[17:07] <BarkingFish> !away | lethu
[17:08] <lethu> gotcha
[17:08] <BarkingFish> :) thanks
[17:08] <lethu> np :)
[17:09] <Micc> hello
[17:09] <BarkingFish> hi Micc
[17:10] <Micc> I've just tried to install kubuntu on my system with wubi, but when I reboot to finish the install it gives me an error that there is no root file system. I click ok/cancel/x but it just keeps coming back. I drop to a shell, df shows / is mounted and seems fine.
[17:10] <Micc> it was version 11.04
[17:13] <Micc> any ideas? my windows partition is on an nvidia raid stripe.
[17:13] <Micc> maybe that has something to do with it?
[17:15] <BarkingFish> I'm really sorry, I have no experience with raid or wubi - maybe one of the other guys here will be able to help you.  Stay in the channel, be patient, and someone will get to you in due course :)
[17:17] <genii-around> Micc: Yes, wubi has issues with raid
[17:18] <Micc> so, what if I install from usb stick?
[17:22] <genii-around> Micc: http://www.pendrivelinux.com/move-wubi-to-a-usb-flash-drive/ may be useful
[17:34] <joe__> topi?
[17:34] <joe__> topic?
[17:34] <genii-around> joe__: /topic
[17:35] <joe__> Sec, net, wtc?
[17:37] <joe__> yu
[17:37] <joe__> boring
[17:38] <joe__> Theres 263 nicks and no one chatting?
[17:39] <BarkingFish> We're not here to chat, joe__ - we're here as a help channel :)  #kubuntu-offtopic is for chatting in
[17:39] <genii-around> joe__: This channel is for help with Kubuntu, we do not usually talk when there is not a problem being addressed
[17:39] <joe__> I see.
[17:40] <joe__> How can I find rooms about specific topics? re: security, networking etc?
[17:41] <BluesKaj> joe, actually you've found it :)
[17:41] <BarkingFish> joe__, you can use the ALIS search system on here - type /msg alis list *<keyword here>* and hit enter
[17:41] <genii-around> I also find http://searchirc.com/search.php?SCHANS=1&SSORT=SIZE&N=freenode sometimes useful
[17:41] <BarkingFish> if any channels exist which meet your keyword, they'll be listed
[17:42] <BluesKaj> joe__, do yo have a qustion ?
[17:42]  * BluesKaj brings KB closer to receiver
[17:43] <joe__> i see
[17:44] <joe__> BlueS: Is this similar to the irc?
[17:46] <BluesKaj> this is irc. joe__
[18:11] <joony> I'm back
[18:12] <joony> in Ubuntu the autommount is automatic, but if I want to open a movie inside VLC, it doesn't see the mounted SAMBA share :(
[18:12] <joony> so... back to Kubuntu
[18:18] <LordCrc> hi, i'm trying to install 11.10 beta on my latop... i think i may have messed up the partitioning as i'm getting "grub installation failed"
[18:18] <LordCrc> is there a way i can manually install grub via the livecd afterwards?
[18:21] <James147> !grub2
[18:21] <LordCrc> or would it be easier just to rerun the installation perhaps
[18:42] <dick> kd
[18:43] <LordCrc> so, if my / is sda1, i should install my boot loader there?
[18:43] <LordCrc> or in sda?
[18:50] <LordCrc> hmm reinstalling did not work
[18:50] <LordCrc> is it because im using efi?
[18:50] <LordCrc> says "grub-efi" failed to install into /target/
[18:55] <genii-around> LordCrc: sda and not sda1 for bootloader install
[18:55] <LordCrc> ok thats what i used
[18:55] <LordCrc> soo...
[18:55] <LordCrc> ok im gonna try the "boot repair" thing
[18:57] <LordCrc> i assume kubuntu livecd has something similar? :)
[19:04] <LordCrc> ah i didnt create an efi boot partition
[19:04] <LordCrc> i wish there was some way to use the guided partitioning but enter a max size
[19:05] <LordCrc> don't want to use 100% :(
[19:15] <bernard__> ber
[19:38] <LordCrc> aha
[19:38] <LordCrc> partition manager had a special "efi boot" partition type
[19:38] <LordCrc> lets see if that helps
[19:40] <paolus> nfnhhndngnnbg
[19:40] <LordCrc> grrrrr
[19:43] <shadeslayer> LordCrc: having EFI issues?
[19:44] <shadeslayer> LordCrc: note, if you have a Macbook Pro, you need to install grub onto the partition where you installed /
[19:45] <shadeslayer> then install something like reFit to choose between ubuntu or OS X at bootup
[19:45] <BarkingFish> hi guys, I wonder if someone could give me some advice on a little security for my laptop please.  I've been told that it's apparently possible to split your system up so that your boot goes on something like a usb stick or an SD card, and the rest of your system remains on the hard drive.  How do I do this, since I'm considering it as a secondary security measure.
[19:46] <BarkingFish> The primary goal is that the machine won't boot whatsoever unless I have the SD Card or USB stick inserted
[19:46] <shadeslayer> BarkingFish: well ... you could set the /boot partition to a external SD Card or USB stick
[19:46] <shadeslayer> when you get to the partitioning part of the install
[19:46] <LordCrc> shadeslayer: i got a regular pc laptop, trying to install kubuntu 11.10 on it
[19:46] <LordCrc> shadeslayer: apparently yes im having efi issues :)
[19:47] <BarkingFish> is it possible to move it once the OS is installed, shadeslayer?
[19:47] <shadeslayer> BarkingFish: in theory, yes, never tried this myself
[19:47] <BarkingFish> hm.
[19:47] <shadeslayer> BarkingFish: with /boot on a sd card, your machine has no kernels on the HSDD
[19:47] <shadeslayer> erm
[19:47] <shadeslayer> HDD
[19:47] <shadeslayer> so, you can't boot it essentially
[19:48] <shadeslayer> LordCrc: install EFI to /dev/sda , install grub to /dev/sdaX if you have / installed to /dev/sdaX
[19:48] <shadeslayer> done
[19:48] <LordCrc> shadeslayer: how do i install efi into /dev/sda?
[19:48] <BarkingFish> rit needs grub to be present though in order to boot... so if I could install just grub to the card, it would find grub there, and then boot, right?
[19:49] <shadeslayer> LordCrc: depends on what machine you have etc
[19:49] <BarkingFish> /s/rit/it
[19:49] <LordCrc> i've set up the efi partition (gpt, fat32, boot), but that's as far as ive come
[19:50] <shadeslayer> LordCrc: btw don't trust grub-efi :P
[19:50] <LordCrc> hmm
[19:50] <LordCrc> i just want to install kubuntu :(
[19:50] <shadeslayer> i run grub under BIOS emulation mode
[19:50] <LordCrc> right perhaps i should just do that
[19:50] <shadeslayer> LordCrc: thats the most pain free way to do it
[19:50] <LordCrc> this is proving to be a royal PITA
[19:51] <shadeslayer> run grub with BIOS emulation
[19:51] <shadeslayer> yep
[19:51] <shadeslayer> it took me 3 days to get it right
[19:51] <shadeslayer> BarkingFish: not sure if you can do that, but in order to install grub to a external device, there's a option at the end
[19:51] <LordCrc> aaight, thanks :)
[19:52] <shadeslayer> or wait, kubuntu has that during the manual partitioning
[19:52] <BarkingFish> brilliant, thanks shadeslayer
[19:52] <LordCrc> im glad i made a liveusb stick... livecd was slllllloooooooooooooooooooooooow
[19:52] <shadeslayer> BarkingFish: tread carefully tho, i have never seen anyone with this kind of setup
[19:52] <shadeslayer> LordCrc: hehe ... for me the live usb didn't work as well
[19:53] <shadeslayer> i used a combination of the CD + USB
[19:53] <BarkingFish> I would've preferred a smartcard reader to lock the machine down, but I'm not au fait with how to get a card for the reader
[19:53] <LordCrc> shadeslayer: i made a stick using that windows "installer" program, seems to work perfectly
[19:53] <BarkingFish> I want something essentially where, unless I'm there, this machine is deader than a-line flares with pockets in the knees :)
[19:54] <shadeslayer> neat .. never worked here ...
[19:54] <shadeslayer> BarkingFish: encrypt the HDD during boot?
[19:54] <shadeslayer> i mean .. it will ask you for a password during boot
[19:55] <BarkingFish> never tried, don't know how
[19:55] <shadeslayer> so you can encrypt your entire / partition ... but then that kinda makes your system slow
[19:55] <shadeslayer> yeah, i've only heard of this, don't even remember the correct term for it
[19:55] <shadeslayer> ok, i'm off to sleep
[19:55] <shadeslayer> cya everyone
[19:56] <LordCrc> thanks for the help shadeslayer, good night
[19:56] <BarkingFish> i know there's a way to make grub ask for a password, don't remember how to though
[19:56] <BarkingFish> night, shadeslayer :)
[19:56] <shadeslayer> BarkingFish: google it? :P
[19:58] <BarkingFish> got it, looks complicated
[19:58] <BarkingFish> i'll pass
[19:58] <BarkingFish> :)
[20:00] <chuckf> BarkingFish: a grub password will stop many people, but if someone has access to your machine you need to encrypt the entire drive to prevent access to your OS and data files
[20:01] <BarkingFish> only thing i can do then is password the system at switch on, and at grub
[20:01] <wafflesburger> how can i find out my build string
[20:01] <BarkingFish> a password is needed to get into kde desktop anyway, so three passwords should be plenty
[20:02] <BluesKaj> BarkingFish, , you can always make sure the login page isn't bypassed , that's not a whole lot of extra security , but's still a bit of a wall :)
[20:03] <BarkingFish> BluesKaj, that's worth a look too.
[20:04] <chuckf> BarkingFish: are you worried about someone with physical access with computer knowledge or a snooping roommate?
[20:05] <chuckf> roommate=coworker/friends/family/anyone else not you
[20:05] <BarkingFish> I'm worried about a significant amount of sensitive data which I am privy to, belonging to part of the UK Military, becoming public knowledge.
[20:05] <BarkingFish> I have it currently on an external drive which is dying, I want to move it onto here and secure the system to prevent any possible access
[20:06] <BarkingFish> i can't afford to get a replacement drive at the moment
[20:07] <BarkingFish> the only thing I can do for now until I can secure the system would be to burn it all onto dvds, but that's gonna require about 12 dvds to store it
[20:07] <chuckf> BarkingFish: you must encrypt the data. all the passwords you are talking about will still leave the data vulnerable if someone has physical access to your machine
[20:08] <chuckf> BarkingFish: if that data is not already encrypted on that external drive it is vulnerable.
[20:08] <BarkingFish> chuckf, would it be secure enough if I locked it under a 2048 bit RSA key using gnupg?
[20:09] <BarkingFish> or would I be better to up and add a 4096 bit key?
[20:09] <chuckf> If you have anything close to a modern computer, I'd suggest 4096.
[20:10] <BarkingFish> Compaq CQ61-105SA, Celeron Mobile 2.2Ghz with 2GB of ram, about 4 years old
[20:10] <chuckf> should be good enough
[20:10] <chuckf> just remember to protect the private key and you should be good
[20:11] <BarkingFish> I'm just trying to keep the working time on the drive down to a minimum in case it goes feet up while I'm working on it
[20:11] <chuckf> I would move the data off of there before doing the encryption
[20:12] <BarkingFish> then I'm gonna have to get a new 160gb external drive before I move anything.
[20:12] <BarkingFish> I'm not messing around encrypting stuff on dvds, and to be honest, I don't think i have enough space on here to store it all
[20:14] <LordCrc> hmm
[20:14] <LordCrc> muon is stuck on some package, says "preparing XYZ"
[20:14] <LordCrc> been saying it for like 10 minutes now
[20:15] <LordCrc> what to do?
[20:15] <chuckf> wait
[20:15] <chuckf> wait 10 more minutes
[20:16] <LordCrc> what on earth is it waiting for? it's not using any cpu
[20:16]  * LordCrc is impatient :)
[20:25] <LordCrc> its still doing nothing...
[20:28] <genii-around> LordCrc: Where you put "Preparing XYZ" what does it say instead of XYZ?
[20:30] <LordCrc> genii-around: plasma-networkmanager-widget iirc
[20:33] <LordCrc> there
[20:34] <LordCrc> had to run dpkg --configure -a first, then it worked
[20:34] <LordCrc> and it was plasma-widget-networkmanager
[23:30] <salty> i'm having problems with "alfa network" usb wifi card and aparently kubuntu and ubuntu . I had ubuntu 10.4 and just installed kubuntu 11.4 and my card seems to brown out or something and "ifconfig" command won't shut down one of my wireless cards in either OS
[23:30] <salty> are there issues with the network manager?
[23:31] <salty> hello
[23:36] <salty> this is the quietest support channel i have ever been in
[23:38] <BluesKaj> salty, which wifi card ?
[23:40] <BarkingFish> salty - we only talk in here when there is actually a support issue, otherwise everything else goes in #kubuntu-offtopic :)
[23:41] <salty> would someone say something so I know that this is working
[23:43] <werner_> Hello salty, this seems to be working :)
[23:43] <salty> ok, thnx
[23:49] <James147> [00:39:09] <BluesKaj> salty, which wifi card ?
[23:50] <magyar> hi.
[23:54] <salty> James147: AWUSO36H
[23:56] <BarkingFish> that's a usb adapter, right?
[23:57] <BarkingFish> the Alfa 1000mW long range?
[23:59] <salty> yeah BarkingFish