[00:00] jbicha, urlin2u , what do you think? [00:01] hacked_kernel, trying to max out a development may be dangerous, clone it first. [00:07] When I upgrade from 11.04 to 11.10 - will I be able to keep all my files/settings/applications/everything? [00:07] Is it just a straight dvd-in-dvd-out upgrade? [00:08] devcalais, always backup before you do anything especially upgrades. [00:21] devcalais: you don't need to use a dvd to upgrade. Backup your important data but you should be able to keep your settings,etc. [00:27] Dependency issues today? [00:31] Onlyodin: there's always transitions in the development release, just don't dist-upgrade or partial upgrade and you'll be fine :_) [00:32] Why not dist-upgrade? [00:32] I like doing dist-upgrades as long as they don't try to remove my whole system. [00:34] Onlyodin, safe-upgrade is my favourite [00:34] Awww c'mon, where's the fun in that?! [00:34] haha [00:39] I want to install a headless server, which installation media should I download? [00:44] found it [00:45] Fox News seem to be pretty brainless, for sure. [00:45] it's worse, astraljava, they're not stupid, they're evil. [00:45] astraljava: wrong channel? [00:45] micahg: Granted. Sorry about that. [00:49] so. [00:49] how does oneiric handle multipath disks? [00:53] probably about as well as debian... [00:53] given the alternate installer [00:59] So, Unity shows the new software-center icon but gnome-shell doesn't [00:59] I must find out why [01:45] Hey guys, I installed 11.10 beta on my netbook and I selected the GDM login screen during the upgrade. How would I now switch to the lightDM screen? [01:46] hello [01:46] princej88, sudo dpkg-reconfigure lightdm [01:47] Thanks. Let me try that [01:47] I think that worked. I'll go back to the login screen and find out. === Guest86549 is now known as gnomie [02:39] Will gnome-session-fallback still be in the repos when 11.10 is released? [03:03] is it safe to enable the ppas and software sources that were disabled during the upgrade or will i need to find new ppas of these projects for oneiric? [03:06] ssargennto, if your lucky you can edit the sources and change natty to oneiric [03:07] robin0800: that should be automatically done [03:08] ssargennto: just keep in mind that not everyone has built for oneiric yet [03:10] makes sense, so basically its up to the project to have an oneiric ppa? [03:10] and just to clarify the natty ones wont work with oneiric? [03:11] ssargennto: they might, depends on which other packages are needed [03:11] micahg: gotcha. [03:12] ssargennto, yes and if there is not one you can revert back to natty which may or may not work in oneiric [03:12] robin0800: thank you, time to go check on all of those. thanks to both of you [03:47] so, I opened Jockey-gtk again today, and it shows 5 different drivers for my nVidia gpu [03:48] are things stable enough at this point that using a binary nVidia driver is a good idea? [03:48] last time I tried to use one, I screwed over my whole X situation so badly I ended up reinstalling [04:10] * ethana2 installs [reccomended] option [06:04] so what's the proper way to add a timeout to the grub menu? [06:10] is the current login screen supposed to be aligned to the left? [06:14] mine is still centered. i updated the lightdm and unity-greeter packages [06:39] is the current login screen supposed to be aligned to the left or center? [07:05] ssargennto: I am using GNOM 3, and in GNOME 3 it is aligned to the center. [07:05] I installed latest Ubuntu 11.04. And pull my all hair out to make Blackmagic intensity pro pci card compatible, it failed and it failed. I contact there support and they mention Intensity pro is supported to the latest version of Ubuntu 10.10. [07:06] Why 10.10 will work but not 11.04? Is there no possibility from Ubuntu? [07:19] BlackAss: Wrong channel. [07:21] anyone else having an issue with the wallpaper on nautilus file manager? [07:33] bullgard4_, i am using 11.04 and Intensity pro pci express card does not work. Is this wrong channel to ask about 11.04? [07:45] Does this work with latest Ubuntu? e.g: http://java.sun.com/developer/technicalArticles/GUI/translucent_shaped_windows/ [07:45] BlackAss,here is for Ubuntu 11.10 [07:50] knightstalker, i am latest and greatest always. yes please 11.10 does this works now? e.g: http://java.sun.com/developer/technicalArticles/GUI/translucent_shaped_windows/ === htorque_ is now known as htorque === knightstalker is now known as Guest25022 === Guest25022 is now known as knightstalker [08:30] just stumbled over bug 839744 during an upgrade, any work around? [08:30] Launchpad bug 839744 in glib2.0 (Ubuntu) "package libglib2.0-0 2.29.16-0ubuntu3 [modified: usr/share/doc/libglib2.0-0/changelog.Debian.gz] failed to install/upgrade: ErrorMessage: './usr/share/doc/libglib2.0-0/changelog.Debian.gz' is different from the same file on the system" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/839744 [08:31] I'm a bit puzzled that it installs the 32 bit version of libglib2 on a 64 bit system [08:34] TeTeT: why is your changelog modified? [08:34] jtaylor: it isn't, at least not by me. [08:35] reinstalling it should reset your modifications and allow upgrading [08:35] apt-get install --reinstall [08:35] I'll give it a try [08:36] Novell Moonlight can not be installed because its not compatible with FireFox 7.0 [08:43] is there a ppa for 3.1-rc kernels? [08:46] http://www.kernel.org/ [08:47] nomego: http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/ direct download .deb [08:48] hifi, thanks [08:49] jtaylor: reinstalling won't work because of the unresolved dependencies. It looks to me like a multi arch problem, there's already glib2.0 for amd64 installed on my system, and something draws in the 32bit version [08:49] knightstalker, nightly tester tools add on might fix that, hard to say. [08:50] TeTeT: is multiarch enabled? [08:52] jtaylor: yes, by default comes with the upgrade [08:52] it does? [08:52] thats new then [08:52] jtaylor: think it changed with beta1. I'll disable it and see if it cleans the problem [08:53] that won't [08:54] jtaylor: well, at least it allows me now to use apt again [08:54] If you upgraded to beta1 and you didn't fresh install on Alpha3 then its still disabled [08:54] but if you fresh installed beta1 then its enabled already [08:54] or atleast thats what it says on Release Notes === knightstalker is now known as Knight|Lunch [08:59] Stanley00: hi. you helped me the other day. i was able to reproduce the problem. when i click on preferences in ccsm, unity crashes. [08:59] the only way to recover is to delete .gnome and other folders... [09:00] i will file a bug [09:06] Hi, how do I add/use invest-applet in ubuntu 11.10? [09:06] I cant find it using synaptic-manager [09:52] ah, so many bugs [09:52] my microphone is not working on the latest beta. alsamixer does not show the mic. it worked perfectly on lucid earlier. can anyone help? [10:12] i've been given conflicting answers on this.. is the login screen supposed to be aligned to the left or center? can anybody confirm for sure? [10:13] its left for me [10:13] with my right monitor black [10:18] i see, mine is still aligned center. after I was told earlier it should be aligned left I reinstalled the lightdm package and unity-greeter package but is still aligned to center position [10:25] jtaylor: any idea how to fix it? [10:26] no [10:47] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/842519 [10:47] ;) [10:47] Launchpad bug 842519 in unity (Ubuntu) "When Touchpad is disabled,Graphical info will report its enabled,and vice versa" [Undecided,New] [11:34] I'm unable to change the Gnome shell theme, tried the tweak tool i'm able to change the GTK theme but not the window, and the shell theme is disabled in the tweak tool [11:40] I installed the gnome shell theme extension but it didn't show up === jason is now known as Guest21712 === Guest21712 is now known as jasef [11:50] Hey folks === jasef_ is now known as jasef === lenios__ is now known as lenios_ [12:51] havent seen an update in 3 days. update-notifier fail [12:52] just use apt-get update, in the terminal [13:14] BluesKaj: besides the point [13:16] gnomie, if you must use a buggy gui then do so :) [13:16] expected behaviour: system should notify user of new updates [13:17] simple. [13:17] I don't expect much from notfiers... [13:18] gnomie, especially one's in a beta OS [13:19] i AM going to have to update manually now anyway.. am sure it won't fix itself [13:19] duh [13:20] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/842519 <- Weird how Gnome-shell detects touchpad enable/disable better :p [13:20] Launchpad bug 842519 in unity (Ubuntu) "When Touchpad is disabled,Graphical info will report its enabled,and vice versa" [Undecided,New] [13:20] although, i already heard todays update is breaking stuff royally for some.. sigh [13:20] wasn't unity based on gnome? [13:20] gnomie, breaking what ? [13:21] BluesKaj: you're a kubuntu guy, aren't you? [13:21] I have my ubuntu 11.10 updated,nothing is broken,except some crash reports which only occurred after update and gone after restart [13:21] if thats what you are referring to [13:22] * gnomie crosses fingers [13:24] gnomie, yes [13:24] knightstalker: my system here has been pretty stable. found only 3 bugs, two reported, one never happened again [13:25] Kwin is borked in KDE , that I know from my [13:25] desktop [13:26] lets see what i find when i finish updating/rebooting [13:26] BluesKaj: am on unity [13:26] https://bugs.launchpad.net/~knightstalker123 [13:26] gnomie, brave soul :) [13:27] damn right [13:27] I had 3-4 crashes =),And some minor issues [13:27] Reported them all [13:27] I am gnome shell :p [13:30] hi everyone. my mic is not working on the latest beta. it was working perfectly on lucid. alsamixer does not show a mic. can anyone help? [13:38] rigved, did you use f5 on alsamixer to dispaly all controls ? I have to ask [13:42] More bug filing fun. [13:43] It seems my laptop screen dims even when it's plugged in [13:43] Where should I file a bug about this? [13:56] BluesKaj: sorry, i had gone away. yes. with F5, all I see is: Master, PCM, S/PDIF, S/PDIF Default, Beep, Capture [14:01] good afternoon [14:01] using gnome-panel session (fallback) the screen become blank after mn . how to stop this behavior please ? [14:03] also, my screen jitters sometimes [14:04] jml: i do not know for sure but you could check http://gnome.org/projects/gnome-power-manager/ [14:04] rigved: ta [14:04] hey, doesn oneiric have to 2 network configuration applications on purpose or will that change? [14:05] jml ok [14:06] It's a hard thing to file a bug for. [15:03] hi everyone. my mic is not working on the latest beta. it was working perfectly on lucid. alsamixer does not show a mic. can anyone help? [15:31] im wondering why i can run gnome-fallback session with compiz quite easily but gnome-shell/unity can't run at all ... that s frustating [15:36] because software is hard. [15:37] just because something works doesn't mean that something else that looks identical will also work :p [15:37] frustrating yes, but literally the only thing you can do about it other than waiting for somebody to fix it is to learn to fix it yourself, at which point you'll gain a very deep appreciation for what I just said :) [16:20] what's the proper tool to get hardware information in oneiric? [16:22] nomego: lshw? [16:22] nomego: sudo lshw | less is one way [16:22] lshw brings a bunch of information [16:23] nomego: there is no real 'proper tool' for anything, there are options [16:23] some of it useful! [16:23] !info lshw-gtk oneiric [16:23] lshw-gtk (source: lshw): graphical information about hardware configuration. In component universe, is optional. Version 02.15-1 (oneiric), package size 411 kB, installed size 1636 kB [16:23] neat [16:23] word [16:25] ok cool, thanks [17:08] I just did an update using UpdateManager. 180 MB have been downloaded. I was asked to restaart the computer. Now I do not have Internet access through my ADSL router. The ethernet connection is functional. '~$ route' shows normal output. '~$ sudo dhclient eth0; RTNETLINK answers: File exists.' This answer is unusual. How to proceed? === sergio91pt_ is now known as sergio91pt [17:19] bullgard4_: does the router manage the connection for you, so you just get DHCP from it? [17:19] bullgard4_: can you ping 8.8.8.8? [17:19] bullgard4_: does the interface get an IP address? [17:21] ActionParsnip: The router did manage the connection for me just befor the update. [17:21] bullgard4_: cool, makes life easier [17:22] I do not know ehat you mean asking: "so you just get DHCP from it?" Please ask this in other words. [17:22] bullgard4_: do you set a static IP for the inteface, or do you just let the router configure the interface for you? [17:23] ActionParsnip: Yes I can ping 8.8.8.8. (*surprise*) [17:23] bullgard4_: ok then your DNS probably sucks. If you run: gksudo gedit /etc/resolv.conf delete ALL the text and add these 2 lines: nameserver 8.8.8.8 nameserver 8.8.4.4 save the new file, close gedit and retry teh web. Does it work ok? [17:24] ActionParsnip: Usually the router configures the interface for me. I do not use a fixed IP address. [17:24] bullgard4_: sure but it appears the OS is not getting DNS set properly, this will test it [17:25] bullgard4_: if it's ok, we can make the setting permanent as the resolv.conf file is generated by network manager (etc) at boot [17:26] bullgard4_: any better? [17:29] ActionParsnip: Yes. Now I have Internet access again. [17:30] bullgard4_: BOOM! ok then in network manager, set the interface to DHCP (address only) then set the DNS to: 8.8.8.8, 8.8.4.4 set to apply system wide and apply etc (you will need to enter your password) [17:31] bullgard4_: this will make THAT setting apply each boot and will take the place of your router / driver's shortcomings [17:34] bullgard4_: puinging known web IPs is a good way to see if you have a connection and if dns is failing ;) [17:35] i think you guys have done a decent job fixing unity in the next release. [17:36] ActionParsnip: Actually, i pinged www.belug.de and got no ping answer, before I posted here in this channel. [17:36] bullgard4_: that's a name, not an IP [17:37] ActionParsnip: Ah, yes. You are right, and I made a mistake. My apologies. [17:37] www.belug.de has address 192.109.21.30 [17:37] its cool man, you see what's going on though :) [17:38] bullgard4_: if you install dnsmasq then tell it to listen to 127.0.0.1 You can then set your DNS to: 127.0.0.1, 8.8.8.8, 8.8.4.4 [17:43] local dnsmasq makes the web faster as name resolutions will take 0ms rather than 30ms to web DNS :) === yofel_ is now known as yofel [17:44] ActionParsnip, i'm still a bit confused , resolv.conf should ave the dns IP , orrect ? [17:44] ave=have [17:46] ActionParsnip: How to invoke NetworkManager in GNOME 3? If I key in Super-key > network, GNOME 3 offers i.) Applications: Network Tools ii.) a window "Network Connections". ii.) seems to be part of NetworkManager. I remembered my past wireless connections, but the "Wired" tab is empty. How can I find the NetworkManager interface eth0? === bulldog98_ is now known as bulldog98 [17:46] BluesKaj: yes, it is made my network manager but the file is still used. If you don't use a manager app, you will need to manually populate the file [17:47] s/I/It/ [17:47] ActionParsnip, right , gotcha ...not using NM ;) [17:48] BluesKaj: indeed, wired connections don't really need NM unless they need vpn stuffs etc [17:50] ActionParsnip, ssh is ok without NM for Lan , what about remote ? [17:50] BluesKaj: remote what? [17:51] kuroi: Ich habe in /etc/resolv.conf nun eingetragen die 2 Zeilen "nameserver 8.8.8.8" und "nameserver 8.8.4.4". Nun funktioniert der Internetzugang wieder auch über DNS. Aber das ist wohl keine feine Dauerlösung. [17:51] BluesKaj: as long as there is a correct set of IP addressing, it doesn't matter how it is set [17:51] ssh into remote pc on the internet , other thab behind one's router, act [17:51] ActionParsnip, [17:52] BluesKaj: as long as the IP is in the routers subnet, it will be contactable from teh WAN with correct port forwarding [17:56] ActionParsnip, one needs a dns Ip tracker to use ssh etc with dynamic IPs .. I have easy dns available thru my ISP but the linux ddclient isn't compatible with my router [17:56] guess who makes me use their router [18:01] how can I change the time format on the login screen to be 24 hours? [18:08] Is Ubuntu Mono font excluded in Oneiric? [18:08] after todays upgrade I no longer have Ubuntu mono font... :'( [18:10] I don't have it either, but I don't remember ever having it [18:33] BigWhale: What directory have you been lookiing in? [18:34] well I haven't really looked for the font, but I can't select it anymore [18:34] and the terminal is now using Ubuntu and there is no Ubuntu Mono [18:35] BigWhale: there was an update to the oneiric fonts that superseded the version in the pirvate PPA you are using [18:36] I knew it! [18:36] (just never bothered to check) [18:36] you can do: sudo apt-get install --reinstall ttf-ubuntu-font-family=0.71.2-0ubuntu5+phasedbeta5~oneiric [18:37] according to paul sladen the ppa should see an update soon [18:37] htorque, thanks for the help! [18:37] yw :) [18:42] hope there's a fix in kwin in the new kde 4.7.1 [18:49] gnome-control-center and update-manager need revision; multiple crashes while and after updating [18:49] Make sure to log bugs [18:50] file two already [launchpad] [18:51] gnome-control-center update won't install, makes updater crash too [18:51] o.o [18:51] Hi! [18:52] It seems I have a few corrupt packages on my system, and can't get rid of them. [18:52] it's like held back against its will! :o [18:53] Whenever I do anything with apt, I get this at the end: http://pastie.org/2493035 [18:54] What do I do? It seems it breaks Software Center and Update Manager, although Synaptic works fine but reports said problems also. [18:56] I am wondering if is a problem with Python itself? [18:56] What Python version does apt use? [18:56] Yes, it is: pyclean doesn't run. :/ [18:57] hf: it looks to me like you changed the system python binary to python3 [18:58] trism, I did actually. Just changed back. Let's see. [18:58] Finally! :) [18:59] Hi, I'm trying oneiric. I've opened 3 openoffice windows. I can't find an easy way to switch between them (using unity). [18:59] * hf is doing a dance :P [18:59] Alt + tab doesn't work, it just shows one openoffice window [18:59] Clicking on the libreoffice launcher icon and holding the mouse button doesn't show the 3 different windows [18:59] How can I switch windows with unity?! [19:02] And a second question, I haven't found a way to restore (opposite of maximize) the libreoffice window with the mouse. Now I'm using alt+space to show the window menu! [19:02] Do we do test days ? [19:03] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Fedora_16_test_days [19:04] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2011-08-30_Nouveau [19:05] alkisg, there s a window button in the left panel. [19:05] is* [19:06] If not, we should consider test days =) [19:06] Why is there a softlink /sbin/ip? It points to /bin/ip. [19:06] urlin2u: I'm seeing the dash button, and the workspace switcher, are you talking about another button that I'm not seeing? [19:06] (may be some oneiric bug in my netbook, that would explain our inability to work with unity... :)) [19:07] hmm [19:07] alkisg, yeah work place there is probably a short cut key, don't know it though. [19:07] im still getting an evil report problem message [19:07] that does pop up all the time [19:08] bodhi_zazen, if more people would do regular fresh installs it would probably help as well, instead of breaking their setups, and crying bug. [19:08] fedora provides a live CD for test day [19:09] so most people use the live image -> usb or what not [19:09] yep [19:09] Perhaps some test days might help with Ubuntu ? [19:09] could try a few, lay out your expectations of testers [19:12] bodhi_zazen: Like: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay [19:13] no Pici , that is a bug triage day [19:13] Fedora asks users to test and report packages : https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2011-08-30_Nouveau [19:14] With a list of specific testing procedures [19:14] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Testcase_nouveau_rendercheck [19:14] and on, see the first page [19:14] I'm not sure what tasks our testing team does specifically, but you may want to look at: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing [19:15] I am suggesting specific days to test "major" components, such as X, again that link is a general to do list [19:16] Any way to reset unity settings? I tried `unity --reset`, but that only made the already opened windows hang, and I had to restart X... [19:16] bodhi_zazen: then #ubuntu-bugs or #ubuntu-testing would be a better place to make suggestions :) [19:18] got proper icons under nautilus! rock on! [19:18] :D [19:18] one thing that went well with the updates for me [19:18] every day is bug testing day! [19:19] When I go to install adobe flash, based on the apt link on their page I get an error package not in current sources in the software manager [19:19] package testing, bug reporting & fixing [19:20] yah, currently checking out unity-2d.. really want to see this take off [19:20] :D [19:20] jakemp: that sounds like an issue with Adobe's website as Ubuntu 11.10 has changed how Flash works for 64-bit [19:21] how's that? I'm not seeing anything helpful in my googles [19:21] jakemp: you should try the Ubuntu Software Center to install stuff anyway [19:22] #ubuntu-testing seems to be for iso testing [19:22] jbicha, I go in there and install it, and I get about 1/10 of the completion bar, then it resets. It never installs [19:22] and many of the same people as here, so seems like interest is low [19:22] too bad [19:23] bodhi_zazen: That doesn't mean that they are curently active. And I'm in a lot of channels myself, but I don't necessarily look at them, so they might not be looking at this one. [19:24] So I have your attention here, why should we move the discussion to an iso testing channel ? [19:24] bodhi_zazen, I think some are just don't have the technical chutzpah,I don't and I am a experienced user [19:24] bodhi_zazen: Because I'm not a part of the testing team. I'm just someone who knows that they exist. [19:26] Well, iso testing is not what I am suggesting =) [19:26] jakemp: you could instead try sudo apt-get install flashplugin-installer [19:26] I did that just now [19:27] The following packages have unmet dependencies: [19:27] flashplugin-installer : Depends: flashplugin-downloader but it is not installable [19:27] Depends: nspluginwrapper but it is not going to be installed [19:27] then when I try those. "E: Package 'flashplugin-downloader' has no installation candidate [19:27] " [19:28] jakemp: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2011-August/000886.html [19:28] danke [19:29] !pastebin [19:29] For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://imagebin.org/?page=add | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic. [19:30] jakemp, 64 bit ? [19:31] yes, and I started on alpha 2 or 3 [19:31] jakemp, https://launchpad.net/~sevenmachines/+archive/flash/+packages [19:33] I tihnk micahg's link did the trick [19:33] thanks [19:51] jakemp, i would recommend using the 32-bit browser and flash plugin if you're on amd64 because it will be much better and more stable without nspluginwrapper [19:52] I migt be doing that already, I am just using chrome out of the google repo, and then once I ran that command from the mailing list, it started working again. [19:53] and then I only saw one flash in the repo, and I installed that for firefox [19:53] * jakemp takes the path of least resistance. [19:53] bjsnider: we don't support running a 32 bit browser from the archive yet, but multiarch has improved using a 32 bit flash on amd64 [20:02] nothing is wrong with the 64bit flash [20:02] why is this idea still being pushed? [20:04] darthanubis, read the page, https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2011-August/000886.html [20:04] darthanubis: because 64 bit flash hasn't been released yet :) [20:06] darthanubis, 64 bit flash is 32bit in 64 bit sheep's clothing [20:07] micahg, let's hope more than just flash offers 64 bit ... I see skype has no real 64 bit versions either [20:07] oh [20:08] BluesKaj: well, no, there's a real 64 bit version, but it's still in beta [20:08] BluesKaj: skype is the the 32 bit in 64 bit clothing [20:08] BluesKaj, that link has what to do with flash stabilty? [20:08] micahg, I get your point [20:09] but people are still , those not in the know, are believing there is some stability issue with the 64bit driver [20:09] [GNOME 3] '~$ sudo service dmlight restart; dmlight: unrecognized service'. What is the proper syntax? [20:09] when that is not the case at all [20:10] Just wondered why that old untrue meme was still floating around [20:12] bullgard4_: it is lightdm not dmlight [20:13] trism: Ah! [20:15] trism: Thank you very much for your help. [20:16] bullgard4_: you're welcome [20:16] evening [20:18] FernandoMiguel: ¡Buenas tardes¹ [20:18] ! [20:19] darthanubis, the only one i have is the sevenmachines posted above , but micahg's post above should take care of all 32 bit apps on 64 bit OS's...right micahg ? [20:20] BluesKaj: not entirely, multiarch will be a long process, right now, I think flash and skype should work and maybe a few other things [20:21] BluesKaj, sevenmachines is the one I have been using for years. Works beautiful as it is straight from Adobe. [20:22] micahg, ok .. it's worth the wait ...it'll be nice once HTML5 is adopted by flash heavy websites tho , then flash won't matter [20:27] and javascript for that matter [20:37] darthanubis: the problem with recommending Adobe's 64-bit plugin is that Adobe historically doesn't support their betas very well [20:39] true [20:40] Since the latest update this morning using Update Manager my GNOME 3 often crashes but I do not obtain an error message. Is this worth reporting to Launchpad? [20:41] heh, it still crashes on natty ..good luck [20:46] bullgard4, Does the Activities panel disappear and just leave you with a Nautilus-like menu along the top? [20:48] RRRRube: The Activites panel does disappear. But there is no Nautilus-like menu left along the top. [20:50] bulldog98, I had been having problems with crashes for the past couple of days, but I installed a whole bunch of updates and tonight and so far, so good. There is a bug on launchpad for the problem I've been having, I don't know if yours is the same, but you can take a look at it. Give me a sec and I'll look out the bug no. [20:50] bulldog98, Have a look here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/841399 [20:50] Launchpad bug 841399 in gnome-shell (Ubuntu) "gnome-shell segfault error 4 in libgobject-2.0.so.0.2918.0" [Undecided,Confirmed] [20:58] Currently the real name of the user is displayed in the panel. Is this to be there in the final oneiric version too? On netbook resolutions (1024x...) it wastes too much space, and firefox or libreoffice menus are hidden under the other icons. [21:00] Also the keyboard indicator applet now has a new, useless keyboard icon, that also wastes some screen space [21:02] And, even though I tried creating a new user, I'm still not seeing the window button in the left panel (launcher?), so I can't switch windows. [21:06] RRRRube: My error is simiar but different. [21:06] similar [21:08] alkisg: Are you referring to Unity? [21:08] bullgard4_, yes [21:09] Is gnome-shell more stable/usable? [21:11] alkisg: Up to yesterday I thought so. But today there was a big upgrade, and now my GNOME 3 is crashing often. [21:13] Right now I'm getting 100% compiz usage and I have to `kill -9` it twice, and then re-run it to get it running... /me tries unity-2d... [21:16] And aptd has been doing very frequent 100% CPU spikes for many days now :-/ [21:17] Hey, unity-2d is much much better! It even shows a window list when you double-click on the launcher openoffice icon! [21:21] So.... how's KDE in oneiric, wrt stability? [21:22] s [21:39] ... and, light-dm autologin destroys the saved "unity-2d" preference in .dmrc :( [22:23] uhm [22:23] i still have vertical tearing problems in gnome-shell :( [22:46] does Oneiric ship NM 0.9 or 0.8.x? [22:46] 0.9.0-0ubuntu2 [22:46] thx :) [22:47] okay, so upon installing lightdm onto Kubuntu, X doesnt start up anymore, but well, afk, investigating [22:47] how do i file a bug for the installer? [22:47] ubuntu-bug ubiquity [22:48] and 6 years later, we are *still* recommending a CLI tool [22:48] well, a CLI command [22:48] apport has a UI [22:48] it does? [22:49] ubuntu-bug is effective if you know app or package name already [22:49] whats the cli command to start it :) [22:49] bah [22:50] FernandoMiguel, funny that: in a text channel, text commands a preferred over visual commands [22:50] touche [22:51] text? you have an avatar here :P [22:51] back on topic [22:51] we want to make an OS for Human beings [22:51] I can't tell my dad to run that [22:52] then again my dad won't be running devel OSs [22:52] apport works fine if you have the time to run the report as it happens .. [22:53] and using the terminal should not be considered a burden when one can spend hours on silly facebooks [22:54] typing stuff.. [22:57] as a former windows user at my workplace for close to 20 yrs , I have to say it's pleasure to something as responsive and immediate as the cli ...gui s are necessary for some ppl ..but I' m retired out of the workforce and glad I discovered Linux when I did ...it's not as much a generational gap as many ppl believe [22:59] BluesKaj: well if you go far back enough into history ppl were using terminals so yes :) [22:59] FernandoMiguel, I'm a grandfather running a dev OS , and there more out there than you think :) [22:59] I know [22:59] BluesKaj: +1 [22:59] it's not what I'm saying [23:00] but not everyone is computer savvy [23:00] don't sell you father short , showing him the cli might interst him [23:00] LOLOLOLOL [23:00] your father [23:00] :-/ [23:00] did i make a funny ? :) [23:00] i dont like your attitude, FernandoMiguel [23:01] um, reality is if they are not using a computer, it doesn't matter what OS you teach them, they will learn what they need anyway [23:01] hehe my father is always afraid I'll break his mac when I open the terminal there :/ [23:02] now THat is funny, jtaylor .. but then again, i would be worried to let someone else drive my ferrari away [23:02]