[00:14] <akgraner> anyone else read through the newsletter?
[00:24] <mhall119> I skimmed it
[00:25] <mhall119> every looked okay
[00:25] <mhall119> how do you collect all of that information though?
[00:26] <Pendulum> mhall119: people dump links into a google doc
[00:34] <akgraner> mhall119, what Pen said - and myself and others went through about 150 issues and pulled links to every site we used and I created an RSS feed for them them I skim through daily
[00:42] <mhall119> akgraner: sounds like you need a better RSS reader ;)
[00:42] <akgraner> :-)
[00:43] <mhall119> also, it sounds like we should export the loco.u.c blog aggregation as RSS
[00:43] <akgraner> I am still not comfortable with everything beinf automated - I like to look at the information
[00:43] <akgraner> and sometimes the first paragraph doesn't contain the meat of the story/post
[00:45] <mhall119> ReadFeeder wouldn't automate it, but you could make a queue for each section in UWN, and just drop stuff into those queues as you find them during the month
[00:45] <mhall119> it also displays the original page, not the summary
[00:46] <mhall119> (the summary is in a tooltip over the entry title though, for skimming)
[00:48] <akgraner> cool  - yeah I really need to dump all the feeds into Readfeeder it's on my list :-)
[00:49] <mhall119> I'm up to 1876 feeds being updated by RF
[00:49] <mhall119> akgraner: do you have an OPML file of the feeds?
[00:49] <akgraner> um prob not b/c I don't even know what OPML means ;-)
[00:50] <akgraner> or I might and just not know it
[00:50] <akgraner> which is entirely possible
[01:00] <mhall119> if it's in Google Reader you can get an OPML, it's basically just an XML file of the feed url and title
[01:00] <akgraner> ok then yep I have that :-)
[01:01] <akgraner> brb need to finish publishing UWN :-) Finally woot woot
[02:40] <mhall119> akgraner: is there an RSS feed for UWN that I can subscribe to?
[02:40] <akgraner> there is supposed to be - it would be the fridge feed....
[02:41] <akgraner> I don't think - or can't remember if we set up another one yet or not - also people subscribe to the forums post as well
[02:41]  * akgraner adds that to my list of things to verify or get fixed :-)
[02:47] <mhall119> I was just wondering, it's not a big deal if there isn't
[02:48] <paultag> So, I've decided to make the first hipster distro with Syn
[02:48] <paultag> I think it'll be an ironic statement on the state of GNU/Linux (which I do understand makes me a hipster)
[02:49] <paultag> I'm going to make the default terminal font Helvetica
[02:49] <paultag> (but monospaced) - and preloaded indie music that you've never heard of
[02:50] <mhall119> but then people will have heard of it
[02:50] <paultag> humm good point
[02:50] <mhall119> OMG, you'd be able to destroy hipsterism!
[02:50] <mhall119> do it!
[02:50] <mhall119> DO IT!
[02:50] <paultag> :)
[02:50] <paultag> I think I'll do that - I wonder if I can use the linux framebuffer to set the console's background to something
[02:51] <paultag> RMS with a scarf and glasses
[02:51] <mhall119> how would you know if he had on a scarf?
[02:52] <mhall119> or, if the scarf was wrapped around the beard, how would you know it was RMS?
[02:52] <paultag> true
[02:52] <paultag> perhaps RMS posing with a fixie
[02:52] <mhall119> fixie?
[02:52] <paultag> mhall119: fixed speed bike
[02:53] <mhall119> oh man, I'm so not hipster
[02:53] <paultag> truth
[02:53] <paultag> mhall119: want to see something super hipster?
[02:54] <mhall119> akgraner: so I tried my hand at a molasses based BBQ sauce tonight, turned out alright, but there's something missing
[02:54] <mhall119> paultag: sure
[02:54] <paultag> mhall119: this is what the next release of Fluxbox is going to look like (minus the conky script, that's mine ;) ) - http://i.imgur.com/nP9Sf.png
[02:55] <paultag> classy, aye?
[02:55] <Cheri703> so I'm randomly announcing it and then I'm off to bed: I am going before the EMEA board tomorrow (scheduling conflict for america meeting) :)
[02:55] <mhall119> ew
[02:55] <paultag> mhall119: oh pfft - it's so clutch
[02:55] <mhall119> Cheri703: you weren't a member already?
[02:55] <paultag> Cheri703: :D
[02:55] <Cheri703> nope mhall119
[02:55] <mhall119> Cheri703: where's your wiki application page?
[02:55] <Cheri703> hope to be after tomorrow :)
[02:55] <Cheri703> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Cheri703
[02:57] <Cheri703> I'm a bit anxious as I've not been doing quite as much in the past few months, but life has been insane :/ things should actually start calming down, even though I'm starting a full time job next week (hence the scheduling conflict)
[02:58] <mhall119> IME, the membership boards know that people's contribution levels rise and fall, and that sometimes life takes precedence
[02:58] <Cheri703> thanks mhall119 :)
[02:58] <Cheri703> kk, cool :)
[02:59] <akgraner> Cheri703, you rock - don't be nervous...
[02:59] <mhall119> paultag: Fluxbox can look beautiful, why does is still look like Win95?
[02:59] <paultag> mhall119: it's a secret, but we have compositing support for 1.3.1+2
[02:59] <Cheri703> thanks akgraner
[02:59] <paultag> mhall119: so it should handle compiz esque fancyness, but our impl is stupid small footprint
[02:59] <mhall119> paultag: but the widgets look dated
[02:59] <paultag> mhall119: we also have new lua support
[02:59] <paultag> mhall119: that's conky not fluxbox
[03:00] <Cheri703> ok, well, just wanted to mention it, and now I'm off to bed! early morning tomorrow
[03:00] <paultag> mhall119: we also have cool xdg autostarting shaz going, so it might become a workable DE soonish
[03:00] <mhall119> paultag: I mean the window frame, scrollbars, toolbar, etc
[03:00] <paultag> mhall119: oh, I actually prefer it like that :(
[03:00] <mhall119> paultag: cool, have you proposed the xdg autostart upstream yet?
[03:01] <paultag> mhall119: since we have compositing support, we could get it slick looking soonish
[03:01] <paultag> mhall119: sorta kinda. I have my delta up and in the testing branch
[03:01] <mhall119> paultag: I saw fluxbox slick looking 5 years ago
[03:01] <paultag> mhall119: I need to add a bit more and clean it up
[03:01] <paultag> mhall119: yeah Mint's doing an OK job with it
[03:01] <mhall119> I almost used Fluxbox as the basis for Qimo
[03:02] <paultag> mhall119: http://linuxcritic.files.wordpress.com/2010/02/lm8fbce_mintconfig.png <- that's Fluxbox
[03:02] <mhall119> see. why doesn't it look like that by default?
[03:03] <paultag> mhall119: because the idiots who can do good work like that don't feel like contributing upstream
[03:03] <paultag> and it pisses me off
[03:03] <paultag> If I could get in touch with whoever, I'd gladly merge it in personally
[03:03] <mhall119> it's open source right? Steal their configs
[03:03] <paultag> mhall119: Yeah, but some of it is either not documented under a license or CC-NC-SA 3
[03:03] <paultag> with means it's nonfree by DFSG standards
[03:04] <paultag> mhall119: I'm going to head off, but perhaps I'll start hunting harder to make fluxbox prettier OTB
[03:04] <paultag> One love :)
[03:04] <mhall119> g'night
[03:05]  * mhall119 should wrap up school work and head to bed too
[03:05] <doctormo> Hey paultag
[03:06] <mhall119> so I'm writing an essay about open source software, where should I go with this?
[03:06] <mhall119> akgraner: ^^ and NTEU insights for me?
[03:06] <doctormo> mhall119: go to me ;-). what are writing about?
[03:07] <mhall119> doctormo: I haven't decided yet, something about FLOSS that I personally relate to or care about
[03:07] <mhall119> but in no more than 5 pages
[03:07] <akgraner> mhall119, wow - that's a huge topic- gotta narrow it down some more
[03:07] <mhall119> yeah, that's what I'm asking for suggestions for
[03:08] <akgraner> ok so give me 4 things you can personally relate too
[03:08] <mhall119> it's not supposed to be an advocacy piece, more descriptive from a personal point of view
[03:08] <doctormo> mhall119: Yeah, I think I've maybe savaged about 60% of the FOSS topic over 4 years of blogs and comments.
[03:08] <akgraner> relate/care about
[03:08] <mhall119> learning, sharing, fixing and creating
[03:09] <mhall119> but a lot of that is because I'm a developer
[03:09] <mhall119> I'm wondering how to relate this to technical non-developers or non-technical users
[03:09] <doctormo> mhall119: Owning, fixing, learning, sharing. FOSS rules.
[03:09] <akgraner> Then discuss where the pain points are for new users and how as a developer you work to overcome the gaps/barriers to entry without lowering the standards of quality
[03:10] <mhall119> http://paste.ubuntu.com/683063/ are my notes so far
[03:10] <akgraner> or making new users feel patronized etc
[03:10]  * mhall119 loves tomboy-pastebinit
[03:11] <mhall119> need to fix bullets and indenting though :(
[03:13] <doctormo> The only parts missing from my mental list are: Efficiencies, NIH resistance, Pre-Pay Development models, support freedom (choosing who to help you) etc.
[03:13] <mhall119> NIH resistance?
[03:13] <mhall119> have you seen the number of python web frameworks?
[03:13] <mhall119> or java ones?
[03:14] <akgraner> mhall119, that's some pretty cool brainstorming there
[03:14] <mhall119> akgraner: thanks
[03:14] <mhall119> I tell you, Tomboy should be a requirement for college work
[03:14] <mhall119> don't know what I'd do without it
[03:14] <akgraner> Let me think about it - I've been up since 5am and have another early day tomorrow  - can I give you some sane feedback tomorrow?
[03:14] <mhall119> sure, my brainstorming is due tomorrow night
[03:15] <akgraner> ok cool...
[03:15] <mhall119> g'night
[03:15] <mhall119> and thanks both of  you
[03:34] <doctormo> mhall119: Well resistance in a certain way, probably not in some others.
[03:34] <doctormo> np, night night
[06:33] <cheenu> how to download a video from youtube from ubuntu terminal?
[06:34] <AlanBell> cheenu: try asking in #ubuntu or your loco team channel
[06:35] <AlanBell> this isn't really the right place for that question
[06:35] <dpm> good morning all
[06:36] <cheenu> ok thanks but can u tell me how to go for #ubuntu ??
[06:37] <cheenu> i got it fine thanks
[07:01] <dholbach> good morning
[07:19] <nigelb> Morning!
[07:21] <dholbach> hi nigelb
[07:23] <dpm> morning dholbach, morning nigelb
[07:23] <dholbach> hola dpm
[07:23] <nigelb> ahoy dpm :)
[07:24] <dpm> a rocking start to UADW yesterday, thanks a lot nigelb and akgraner for your help!
[07:24] <dholbach> nice
[07:25] <nigelb> :)
[07:26] <popey> Morning all
[07:27] <nigelb> dpm: The wiki already has logs. akgraner and I did the logs as sson as we could :)
[07:28] <nigelb> dpm: and IRC nicknames are all sorted out now :)
[07:28] <dpm> nigelb, yeah I saw the logs, good work!
[08:07] <kim0> Morning folks
[10:07] <czajkowski> aloha
[10:14] <czajkowski> kim0: you about for a quick pm please ?
[10:22] <kim0> czajkowski: sure
[10:23] <czajkowski> thanks
[10:56] <dpm> hey nigelb, did you have a chance to look at the e-mail I sent you re: tutorials for d.u.c?
[10:57] <nigelb> dpm: I did, I'm going to convert AlanBell's class from yesterday into a tutorial (with credit to him of course)
[10:57] <dpm> nigelb, excellent, let me set up an account for you at d.u.c
[10:58] <nigelb> \o/
[10:59] <AlanBell> cool :)
[11:00] <nigelb> dpm: Excellent, got it.
[11:01] <dpm> nigelb, cool, let me pm with some details
[11:45] <duanedesign> morning all
[11:47] <czajkowski> duanedesign: howdy
[11:49] <duanedesign> czajkowski: doind well i hope?
[11:52] <czajkowski> yeah not to bad
[11:52] <czajkowski> working on testing a system for a mate
[11:52] <czajkowski> ad then doing a training manual
[15:33] <jcastro> akgraner:
[15:33] <jcastro> I seem to have forgotten how to add things to the fridge calendar
[15:34] <nigelb> jcastro: Does this help? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Fridge/Calendar
[15:34] <nigelb> akgraner is away today
[15:34] <jcastro> aha
[15:34] <jcastro> got it
[15:42] <akgraner> jcastro, I'm on for 5 mins before heading out again
[15:42] <akgraner> did my email make sense to you?
[15:42] <jcastro> I'm all set!
[15:42] <jcastro> yeah
[15:42] <jcastro> it got filtered so I am lucky I ran into it
[15:43] <jcastro> I am resetting things now
[15:43] <akgraner> ok :-)
[15:43] <jcastro> and will make an annoucenment this afternoon
[15:43] <akgraner> jeez do you send my email to /dev/null to like Pete does
[15:43] <jcastro> thanks for the tip, I was totally unaware of how screwed I would have been
[15:43] <jcastro> no, I have an askubuntu filter and it's in your sig
[15:43] <jcastro> so it got stuck there
[15:43] <jcastro> but it's ok, I check it daily
[15:43] <akgraner> hehe :-)
[15:43] <jcastro> it's my AU + Amber folder now
[15:43] <akgraner> no worries...everyone needs an Amber folder
[15:44] <akgraner> ok I just wanted to check with you before I headed out again
[15:44] <akgraner> nigelb, please email if I need to finish logs again today - I'll do it when I return
[19:43] <jcastro> hey jono
[19:48] <popey> BARK BARK BARK! JORGE IS HERE! BARK BARK!
[19:49] <Pici> Voice recognition?
[19:49] <nigelb> lok
[19:49] <nigelb> lol
[19:50] <Pici> nigelb: It reminded me of this: http://spamusement.com/index.php/comics/view/41
[19:52] <jcastro> popey: meow meow, hi popey meow meow
[19:52] <nigelb> I finally got around to posting to planet.mozilla.org today!
[19:52] <nigelb> \o/
[19:56] <jono> hey jcastro
[19:56] <jcastro> jono: why did you let me buy this mercyful fate
[19:56] <jono> which one?
[19:56] <jono> and when did I let you buy it? :-)
[19:56] <jcastro> I bought the "best of"
[19:56] <jcastro> I think you were in the channel
[19:57] <jcastro> and I was like "ok, going to go get it"
[19:57] <jcastro> way to look out
[19:58] <jono> news to me
[19:58] <jono> lol
[19:58] <jcastro> there's like, specs of genius
[19:58] <jono> don't listen to Mercyful Fate, listen to King Diamond
[19:58] <jcastro> and then he gets all .. well, you know
[19:58] <jono> get Them, Conspiracy and Abigail
[19:59] <jono> wow my blog has got some discussion going
[19:59] <jono> :-)
[19:59] <jcastro> I aksed ted to respond to chip
[20:02] <jono> cool
[20:04] <jcastro> jono: hey when you get a chance (no rush) can you search for when you mailed me telling me my start date? I promise to write it down this time.
[20:04] <jcastro> I know I am like a week or so after you
[20:04] <jono> jcastro, dude, I do this every year
[20:04] <jono> didnt you write a blog entry about when you started?
[20:04] <jono> :-)
[20:04] <jcastro> I know
[20:05] <jcastro> but I suck, I was like "this month I celebrate"
[20:05] <jono> just post it for this month
[20:05] <jono> not sure if the specific date is required
[20:05] <jcastro> yeah I think this is what we did last time
[20:06]  * jono tries to avoid digging through his email :-)
[20:06] <jcastro> I will post tonight or something
[20:07] <jono> awesome
[20:07] <jono> :-)
[20:29] <jcastro> woo!
[20:29] <jcastro> man lightning just struck the house across the canal from me!
[20:29] <czajkowski> gah I've the menu for flipping throuhg application on my dekstop and it won't go away
[20:29] <czajkowski> and is blocking my view!!!
[20:31] <Pendulum> jcastro: that's a bit close for comfort
[20:31] <Pici> aye
[20:32] <jcastro> yeah but for a split second I thought the world was over, that was awesome!
[20:32] <Pici> I'm not sure many people would describe it that way.
[20:35] <nigelb> Pici: but its jcastro! He's not most people :P
[20:35] <Pici> nigelb: ah, you're right.
[20:36] <nigelb> k, sleep. For realz
[20:36] <nigelb> G'nite
[20:36] <jcastro> at my last job a guy got struck  by lightning
[20:36] <jono> czajkowski, yeah sometimes the launcher gets a bit stuck
[20:36] <jcastro> it hit like 3 feet from him
[20:36] <jcastro> and knocked him off his feet
[20:37] <jussi> jcastro: are you zeus? :P
[20:37]  * jono begins the burndown smackdown :-)
[20:37] <jono> akgraner, can you complete your action from the burndown?
[20:37] <jono> akgraner, on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/community-o-ubuntu-one-developer-apis
[20:38] <czajkowski> jono:  a bit! have had to reboot 6 times today alone due to it
[20:38] <jono> czajkowski, oof, see if you can reproduce and file a bug
[20:38] <jono> czajkowski, are you natty or oneiric?
[20:38] <jussi> bed time. laters :)
[20:38] <czajkowski> oneiric
[20:39] <czajkowski> I can reporduce it if I alt tab 5 applications the menu bar across the screen will not feck off
[20:39] <duanedesign> hello community friends
[20:39] <jcastro> czajkowski: let's find DBO on #ayatana
[20:39] <jcastro> he's always asking for alt-tab testers
[20:40] <duanedesign> i hav an Ubuntu One users who wants the site in French. Will Chrom not do this?
[20:42] <jono> czajkowski, file a bug
[20:42] <czajkowski> against?
[20:44] <duanedesign> aha i found #ubuntu-fr
[20:44] <jono> doctormo, around?
[20:44] <jono> doctormo, would you mind looking into your item on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/community-o-irc-classroom-events ? thanks!
[20:45] <jcastro> before you get to me I just knocked two off
[20:45] <jcastro> there's no need to investigate my items
[20:45]  * jcastro hand waves a little bit
[20:47] <duanedesign> jono: in your crazy schedule i really need 3o minutes to discuss Beginners Team, We are at a bit of a crossroads an would hate to see the team fade into Ubuntu folklore. I believe it has a lot to give
[20:47] <jono> duanedesign, sounds good, can we chat later this week?
[20:48] <duanedesign> so in the coming weeks keep it in mind please jono
[20:48] <duanedesign> jono: awsome!
[20:49] <jono> duanedesign, lets get something in the calendar, one sec
[20:49] <jono> duanedesign, Fri at 2pm Pacific?
[20:50] <duanedesign> only thin i have that day is a 10 am Central
[20:51] <duanedesign> so sounds perfect
[20:51] <jcastro> man
[20:52] <jcastro> the list of regressions moving to gnome 3 is like a mile long. :-/
[20:52] <jono> duanedesign, awesome
[20:53] <jono> jcastro,  if you want to hear something odd, check out Sigh
[20:53] <jono> odd Japanese death metal oddball band
[20:53] <jcastro> is that like a band?
[20:53] <jcastro> oh
[20:53] <jono> interesting to listen to
[20:54] <jono> jcastro, check out Musica In Tempora Belli by them
[20:55] <jcastro> hmm, weird
[20:56] <jono> jcastro, see what I mean?
[20:56] <jono> :-)
[20:56] <jono> not as awesome as Ghost, though
[20:58] <jcastro> hmm, this middle classical thing is nice
[20:59] <jono> :-)
[20:59] <jcastro> ugh
[20:59] <jcastro> then he ruins it by singing
[20:59] <jono> hehe
[21:04] <jcastro> I guess I'll forever be radio-pop metal
[21:06] <head_victim> You say that like there's something wrong with radio-pop metal ;)
[21:07] <jcastro> I try not to be too condascending to him when it's between working hours
[21:30] <akgraner> jono  - I emailed you buddy aq :-)  he never got back to me - I'll try him one more time but you may have to kick him :-)
[21:30] <jono> thanks akgraner, follow up and if nothing happens, postpone it
[21:30] <akgraner> ok :-) will do
[21:32]  * akgraner goes on an aq hunt....or at least a spamming mission 
[21:50] <jono> jcastro, can you do me a favor?
[21:50] <jono> follow up with kapil and get him to complete his actions on http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-oneiric/canonical-community.html
[22:28] <cjohnston> akgraner: ping
[22:40] <akgraner> cjohnston, pong
[22:42] <cjohnston> akgraner: see pm