[00:08] <seif> kim0, around
[00:08] <seif> ?
[00:09] <kim0> seif: yeah! was about to jump to bed though .. what's up
[00:09] <seif> can i skype with you quickly
[00:09] <seif> please
[00:09] <kim0> if it's important yeah
[00:09]  * kim0 plugs mic
[10:43] <seif> thelinuxer, thanks for the mail
[10:43] <seif> very well written
[10:43] <seif> good job
[10:44] <thelinuxer> seif: thanks man :)
[10:44] <thelinuxer> seif: lets talk business
[10:44] <seif> which business
[10:44] <seif> i am busy as it is
[10:44] <seif> :P
[10:44] <thelinuxer> lol
[10:44] <thelinuxer> Arabic developer days, how about that ?
[10:45] <seif> when is it?
[10:47] <seif> thelinuxer, ^
[10:48] <seif> thelinuxer, ^
[10:48] <thelinuxer1> seif: sorry wireless connection just dropped what was the last thing u said ?
 lol
 Arabic developer days, how about that ?
 when is it?
[10:49] <thelinuxer> seif: well i was thinking about contacting other Arabic teams
[10:49] <thelinuxer> and see how would they like to participate
[10:50] <seif> is is ubuntu specific or also general open source
[10:50] <seif> ?
[10:50] <thelinuxer> but until now, if it's an ubuntu-eg related event then u can set the date
[10:50] <thelinuxer> it can be general opensource of course
[10:50] <thelinuxer> but i wanted to teach people the process of becoming a UD
[10:51] <thelinuxer> it's a clear path
[10:51] <thelinuxer> and helps new comers to quickly start contributing
[10:51] <seif> uhm well there are several ways to become an ubuntu dev
[10:51] <seif> either you come directly ot ubuntu
[10:51] <seif> or come from upstream down to ubuntu
[10:51] <seif> 2 different approaches
[10:51] <thelinuxer> yes i know
[10:51] <seif> I can only talk about the latter
[10:52] <seif> but i like the idea
[10:52] <thelinuxer> gr8
[10:53] <seif> will it be remote?
[10:53] <thelinuxer> yes
[10:53] <thelinuxer> that's the whole idea
[10:54] <thelinuxer> a couple of hrs/day
[10:54] <thelinuxer> on IRC room like ubuntu deve days
[10:58] <thelinuxer> seif: can u give a list of the sessions you would like to present in these days ?
[10:59] <seif> depends when it is
[10:59] <thelinuxer> u set the date
[10:59] <thelinuxer> but not before 2 weeks or something
[11:00] <thelinuxer> to give me time to coordinate with other teams and announce it properly
[11:01] <seif> thelinuxer, sounds good
[11:01] <seif> this month however is pretty busy
[11:02] <seif> I will be at OSC 2011
[11:02] <seif> OWF 2011
[11:02] <seif> a hackfest in milan
[11:02] <seif> so kinda crammed
[11:03] <thelinuxer> ok 1st of October ?
[11:07] <seif> nope
[11:08] <seif> 1st of cotober i will be most probably recovering form 30th spetember
[11:09] <thelinuxer> seif: give me a date man :D
[11:09] <thelinuxer> or a range and I will try to arrange it
[11:10] <seif> i cant give a date until the 3th is over
[13:24] <seif> ashams, dude lose the attitude
[13:24] <seif> he said he is willing to give then let him give
[13:25] <seif> if you want to rant or annoy ppl then please on irc and not on the mailinglist
[13:25] <seif> the mailinglist represents us
[13:58] <ashams> seif: Hi
[13:58] <ashams> seif: I wasn't here, sorry for late response
[13:58] <ashams> I think it's enough for me
[13:59] <ashams> I'll be waiting for a decission to respond to
[13:59] <ashams> thanks for waking me up :D
[14:32] <ashams> seif: Karim mentioned that he was on the mailing list a day long, would you please help me to remeber this?
[14:41] <thelinuxer1> ashams: u mean on the IRC
[14:42] <ashams> thelinuxer1, Yes
[14:42] <thelinuxer1> it might have happened long before you were a member of the team
[14:42] <ashams> hehe I think so :D
[14:43] <ashams> thelinuxer1, May I say something that I really want to say and I want all of you to apologize me?
[14:45] <ashams> fine, I'll just shutup
[14:46] <thelinuxer> ashams: back
[14:46] <thelinuxer> what did u want to say ?
[14:47] <ashams> thelinuxer, ok
[14:47] <ashams> Isn't Karim lying
[14:48] <thelinuxer> this is exactly what i don't want to discuss now
[14:48] <thelinuxer> if we need to discuss this it needs to be in a meeting
[14:48] <ashams> may I ask why(you're totally free to ignore this msg)
[14:49] <thelinuxer> cause discussing this will only cause problems, and we will only be flaming him
[14:49] <seif> ashams, he is not lying
[14:49] <seif> i worked with him before
[14:49] <ashams> seif, Hi
[14:50] <seif> ashams, i was here maybe before most of the ppl on this channel
[14:50] <thelinuxer> seif: ashams lets just not discuss anything now please
[14:50] <ashams> I didn't mean about work
[14:50] <seif> ashams, look in the end what is your problem
[14:50] <seif> ashams, get over it
[14:50] <ashams> I meant about active, I don't blame him for anything but why to lie about such a thing
[14:50] <seif> he said he is willing to hand over ownership
[14:50] <seif> he was very active in the past
[14:51] <thelinuxer> and now ur both r ignoring me ...
[14:51] <ashams> seif, I'm not talking about the past
[14:51] <ashams> thelinuxer, :D
[14:51] <seif> i agree with thelinuxer
[14:51] <seif> this topic is closed
[14:51] <seif> pointing fingers is stupid and not healthy to the community
[14:52] <seif> so please get over it
[14:53] <thelinuxer> seif: i have to say something, ur giving ashams a little bit of an attitude here
[14:54] <thelinuxer> we all have to calm down and think about how to make the loco more healthy
[14:55] <ashams> This will never happen without facing it, not just getting over, seif  ?
[14:55]  * ashams will just watch
[14:58] <seif> ashams, sorry for the attitude
[14:58] <seif> ashams, we had these problems in eglug and in ubuntu-eg before
[14:58] <seif> and we need to learn to let it die
[14:59] <thelinuxer> i don't want to talk about the issue
[14:59] <thelinuxer> but this issue is a little bit differrent
[14:59] <EgyParadox> lol
[14:59] <EgyParadox> I guess this is the admin issue
[14:59] <EgyParadox> :D
[14:59] <seif> so i am apologizing for the attitude  but lets close the topic
[14:59] <thelinuxer> i want to only talk in the meeting to let it all out
[14:59] <ashams> seif, I wasn't offended by any of your msgs simply because you're not LYING :D
[15:00] <ashams> seif, May I reebl? :) pleaaaaaaaaaaaaaase
[15:00] <ashams> rebel*
[15:00] <seif> ashams, rebeling is not cool atm
[15:01] <seif> rebeling while winning is just awkward
[15:01] <seif> ubuntu-eg got what it wanted
[15:01] <seif> it will get the ownership
[15:01] <seif> wether he lied or not
[15:01] <seif> its the past
[15:01] <ashams> \o/
[15:01] <seif> and bringing it up is kind annoying
[15:01] <seif> and please avoid sarcasm and provocation on the mailing list
[15:02] <seif> the mailing list is public
[15:02] <seif> and is our gateway to the egyptian community
[15:02] <seif> please take it as friendly advise
[15:02] <ashams> seif, Thanks
[15:02] <seif> i used to rebel alot and it cost me alot in the GNOME community
[15:02] <ashams> This can't be bad
[15:02] <seif> i dont want to see this happen in ubuntu-eg
[15:03] <seif> what cant be bad
[15:03] <ashams> bad from them to let you shout till you find no way except rebelling
[15:03] <ashams> seif, right?
[15:04] <seif> and what did the rebellion bring me
[15:04] <seif> what is the rebellion bringing you
[15:04] <seif> right now u won the case
[15:04] <seif> why rebel
[15:05] <seif> to rebel u need to be the underdog
[15:05] <seif> which in this case you are not
[15:05] <ashams> Enta betsannegni 3ala fekra!
[15:05] <thelinuxer> betsannegni ?
[15:05] <ashams> sorry, I meant betsabbetni
[15:06] <ashams> = bet sakketni bel 7ada2a, got it?
[15:06] <seif> yeah
[15:06] <ashams> :D
[15:06] <seif> i really dont mean bad
[15:06] <seif> i actually have a very high image of you
[15:06] <seif> and your enthusism
[15:06] <seif> i just odnt want the image to be broken
[15:07] <seif> the new loco team is amazing
[15:07] <ashams> Thanks
[15:07] <seif> out of experience rebelling hurt my work at gnome
[15:07] <seif> diplomacy got my work into kde and unity
[15:07] <seif> so i resort to the last
[15:07] <seif> ashams, when i feel pissed i dont reply mails
[15:07] <seif> and this happens often (I am an angry kid :P)
[15:08] <ashams> Ok, let's go to diplomacy
[15:08] <ashams> though I prefer facing frankly
[15:09] <ashams> ok
[15:09] <seif> yeah
[15:09] <seif> but not on public lists
[15:09] <seif> in person or on irc
[15:09] <seif> lol
[15:09] <ashams> looooool
[15:10] <seif> ashams, here is some rebellion and ranting i did in the past
[15:10] <seif> http://seilo.geekyogre.com/2010/06/my-take-on-zeitgeist-and-gaj-not-being-in-gnome-a-personal-rant/
[15:10] <seif> thelinuxer, i am one of the guest writers of omgubuntu.co.uk
[15:10] <seif> i would like to interview the loco team
[15:10] <seif> what do u think
[15:11] <ashams> I read that before, that's why I was astonished by you trying to get over
[15:11] <thelinuxer> seif: sure, i just got really busy i lost track of this suggested to made before
[15:11] <seif> i got over it
[15:12] <seif> hey diplomacay is not getting zeitgeist as a backend for gtk
[15:12] <seif> or to be precise
[15:12] <seif> gtk.recentmanager
[15:12] <seif> ashams, do u code
[15:12] <seif> ?
[15:12] <ashams> No
[15:12] <seif> :(
[15:12] <seif> wanna learnm
[15:12] <seif> ?
[15:13] <ashams> seif, sure
[15:13] <ashams> I'm strugging to learn
[15:13] <ashams> I'm a self-learner
[15:13] <seif> ashams, ok
[15:13] <ashams> the hardest way
[15:13] <seif> ashams, same here
[15:13] <seif> actually no
[15:13] <seif> ashams, self learning is the best way of learning
[15:13] <seif> ashams, i never studied CS
[15:13] <seif> i am a mathmatician
[15:13] <ashams> I'm atranslator
[15:14] <seif> i tought myself programing at a very young age
[15:14] <ashams> :(
[15:14] <seif> ashams, we need to get you working on coding
[15:14] <seif> let me go get some food and i will ttyl
[15:14] <ashams> Yes please
[15:14] <ashams> but It's very new from here
[15:15] <ashams> you know, there is one jump to take, If i only can :(
[15:15] <thelinuxer> seif: will try to reply to this email (the interview email) tomorrow or the day after with the answers
[15:16] <thelinuxer> to the mailing list so people can revise the answers and polish it
[15:19] <ashams> thelinuxer, I was thinking of giving a bug triaging class
[15:19] <ashams> but I might not be able to do it in Arabic
[15:19] <thelinuxer> ashams: y ?
[15:19] <ashams> :D can't understand!
[15:20] <ashams> y?
[15:21] <ashams> thelinuxer, you mean "why?"
[15:21] <thelinuxer> yes
[15:21] <ashams> because I learned it all in english, thinking in english, replying in english
[15:22] <ashams> :(
[15:22] <thelinuxer> and ur our translator
[15:22] <thelinuxer> right ?
[15:23] <ashams> I appreciate my fate to be here :D
[15:23] <ashams> Doing it in Arabic will take a lot of time for the first time
[15:23] <thelinuxer> tayeb we can talk about this later
[15:24] <ashams> thelinuxer, Ok, I know you're busy right now, bas kont batrakhem :p
[15:24] <thelinuxer> :)
[16:35] <EgyParadox> elfasalan dah 3ayez #ubuntu-trivia
[16:35] <EgyParadox> :D