[00:12] bkerensa: where is your blog/review of tech products posted? [02:49] Just moved to Eugene. Can anyone recommend an ISP? [02:55] Gerty_, IDK, Comcast? I could ask at work tomorrow [02:56] I feel like every time I move to a new place, people say "IDK, Comcast/TimeWarner/Verizon?" Just thought I'd put it out there and see if there's any locally ones and zeroes. Artisinal ones and zeroes. You know. Organic. [02:57] Gerty_, I'll agree with that, but there isn't usually a lot of variety in ISP's these days [02:57] Maybe in some of the smaller towns where they rolled out fibre, but I doubt in Eugene [03:13] Brian_H: http://technorati.com/technology/gadgets [03:14] Brian_H: I will likely be trying to write for someone else in the future... Technorati imho is headed to a obsolete future [03:15] * bkerensa has also contributed to IntenseBlog and BlogCritics (Also owned by Technorati Media) [03:15] tgm4883: I think Eugene might be Charter [03:16] bkerensa, could be [03:16] My grandmother is in Coos Bay and all they have is Comcast [03:16] and Frontier [03:41] got me a new tripod for my flipcam today :D [04:52] good evening. [05:11] Hi C_Smith [05:11] C_Smith: Did you enjoy the jam? I know you took some pics for flickr [05:12] yes, I enjoyed it very much, I just have to find my MicroSD card so I can get the pics off of my cell phone and onto my PC and ultimately to Flicker. [05:14] bkerensa, did you get my last message? [05:14] C_Smith: No? [05:14] "yes, I enjoyed it very much, I just have to find my MicroSD card so I can get the pics off of my cell phone and onto my PC and ultimately to Flicker." [05:14] cool [05:15] how many pics did you get? [05:15] about 5 I wanna say, but that may be wrong. [05:15] cool [05:15] my photos are up on flickr.com/bkerensa [05:15] doing some last minute configurations to Ubuntu before I head to bed, ugh, school tomorrow. [05:17] oh yeah summer is over :) [05:18] that it is. [05:20] so, the fact that we're not an approved team is due to what, again? [05:24] well, I'd better be off, cya [05:24] C_Smith: We just need to do a bit more work :) [06:16] hey [08:19] hmm [08:23] I'm giving Oneiric (Unity) a two week trial period... I tried Alpha and didnt much care for Unity so we will see [08:23] =/ [08:24] Gnome FTW [08:26] Hmmm Unity borked Rythmbox [13:58] good morning [14:18] bkerensa: if you give me some more details I might be able to sort out where your bug mail is coming from [15:29] g'day [15:51] bdmurray: I found out it was because of my doc team membership [15:51] morning [15:52] bkerensa: okay cool. How as the Jam? [15:52] bdmurray: Pretty fun... Good turnout so far I think it was the biggest Jam in the U.S. ;) maybe we can get you to make an appearance at a Ubuntu Hour sometime? [15:53] * bkerensa will buy your first drink [15:53] :D [15:53] Ah an Ubuntu Hour would be good! [15:56] bdmurray: Your out in Washington County or Multnomah? I was talking to Brian_H about possibly doing one out near Beaverton sometime [15:56] We will be having a Ubuntu Hour and Release Party in October [15:56] bkerensa: Actually I'm in Camas now [15:57] I'll show up :) [15:57] bdmurray: So your downstream from shirgall ;) [15:58] * bkerensa needs to go to Washington someday..... I wanna plan a trip to Seattle soon plus I will be going to LinuxFestNW next year [15:58] bkerensa: No, he's upstream [15:59] shirgall: Camas is upstream from Vancouver, I'm downstream from it [15:59] shirgall: And now I'm talking to myself, whee [15:59] The stream being a big river in this case [15:59] Indeed [16:00] * bkerensa looked at the Google Maps upside down [16:00] Anyway Beaverton would be challenging but downtown isn't so bad [16:01] bkerensa: For us, the bridge traffic must always be considered [16:01] bdmurray: Downtown is preferred for me [16:01] shirgall: Indeed [16:01] bkerensa: Even meeting at Jantzen Beach can be... challenging when the bridge is not cooperating [16:03] shirgall: Hmm never been to WA at all ;) [16:03] bkerensa: It's like Portland with no income tax and better roads [16:04] shirgall: Anything is a improvement on Portland words.... Its like medieval down here at times [16:04] bkerensa: Of course I'm way out in farmland, way outside the urban growth boundary [16:05] bkerensa: I usered to live and work downtown 8 years ago, I remember. [16:05] shirgall: So essentially the gig is living in Washington (Pay no income tax) then do all your shopping or a majority of it in Oregon (No Sales Tax)? [16:06] bkerensa: I admit I do most of my shopping at Amazon.com, and I do end up paying sales tax [16:06] LOL [16:07] shirgall: you must buy a lot of stuff on Amazon? I think Fred Meyer gets a bulk of my shopping :P [16:07] bkerensa: And there's this truck that comes around every two weeks from Schwann's for groceries. [16:07] I hate those guys :P [16:07] bkerensa: My Fred Meyer is 20 minutes away [16:07] shirgall: They come here too along with some other truck that slings expensive chicken [16:07] bkerensa: I have a FM 20 minutes one direction and a Walmart 20 minutes the other direction [16:08] bkerensa: Omaha Steaks? I don't do them, I buy from a local butcher with local animals [16:08] shirgall: what butcher? [16:08] shirgall: Nah.... Its some other meat slinger they charged me $40 for 5 chicken breasts [16:08] bdmurray: There's one in Ridgefield [16:09] bdmurray: I usually go in on half a steer or something like that every 6 months or so [16:09] bkerensa: wow, that's way out there [16:09] bkerensa: were they gold-plated chickens/ [16:10] so, why is the team not official, again? I've forgotten, darn my poor memory [16:11] C_Smith: Because we have yet to jump through the neccesary process [16:11] C_Smith: We are an official LoCo.... Just not "Approved" [16:11] ah, ok, I was thinking it was part of the effects of the failed merge of us, Washington and California. [16:12] and Approved is what I meant, got the 2 confused. XD [16:12] C_Smith: There is only really one benefit to approval and that is printed cd's each release cycle [16:12] ah, ok [16:13] anyway, like I have said, whenever someone can get me what needs to be edited on the team's wiki, I can get started on that. [16:13] C_Smith: Kinda like Ubuntu Membership its not about perks or gain just a process to signify your making a contribution.... I think they might add more incentive in the future based on some discussions I have seen but who knows [16:13] ah, I see. [16:13] C_Smith: I will pm you in a second [16:13] cool [16:15] C_Smith: I will probably apply for approval in October though right around the same time I apply for membership [16:15] cool [16:16] bdmurray: So sad the new bug-indicator obviously doesnt work in Unity ;) [16:16] also, if anyone needs it, I can make a 11.10 CD, although CDs are kinda outdated. [16:16] bkerensa: which one is that one? I don't have any lp-related indicators [16:17] Bkerensa, are you talking about an Apport applet? [16:18] I admit that I add the indicator-weather and indicator-cpufreq :) [16:19] shirgall: Umm some gnome applet Jono posted about a day or two ago [16:19] I just upgraded to Oneiric and am trying to adjust =/ [16:19] shirgall: How do I add indicators in Unity? I added some via ppa and apt-get install but can figure out how to actually add [16:20] bkerensa: I upgraded to Oneiric on my main machine over the weekend too [16:20] bkerensa: Alt-F2 and search for indicator to run it, once you run them they often get added to startup applications [16:21] kk [16:23] I add the battery applet to Unity in 11.04 just by running a command (can't remember what it was), this is not the GNOME battery Applet (which is useless in 11.04 and backwards) this is Battery-status I'm talking about. I run it from a library it installs in /usr/lib and adding --indicator, not sure if other applets work in a similar manner. [16:24] holy great wall of text, batman! [16:27] shirgall: I wish they would make a Unity panel or somehow let me make this bar smaller and drag is elsewhere [16:28] bkerensa: which bar? [16:28] shirgall: the one on top? [16:28] The Unity Bar [16:28] :D [16:28] Sidebar [16:28] it's almost always hidden when I do things [16:29] yeah but I would like it at bottom of screen like a dock instead of on the side constantly wiggling [16:29] :P [16:29] Why is it constantly wiggling? [16:29] Shouldn't wiggle unless you get near [16:30] Xchat activity [16:30] ;) [16:30] I admit I use irssi in a maximum terminator window w/bybou so I don't see that [16:30] better yet why couldnt a working version of gnome fallback be provided :) [16:32] That stuff isn't up to me, I'm an old fvwm fan :) [16:32] Who is it up to? Surely not the community at large ;) I don't remember being presented with a survey :P [16:32] bkerensa: it was discussed at UDS [16:33] peh :P [16:33] I use Pidgin for IRC, MSN and Xfire. [16:33] A small fraction of the Ubuntu Community attends UDS :P [16:33] bkerensa: and besides, there's many fallbacks [16:33] yeah [16:33] xfce [16:33] ;) [16:33] kde is not an option for me [16:33] bkerensa: There are many ways to attend, in person, via IRC+soundcast, and the communities have several ways of handling feedback [16:34] =o [16:34] oh I had no idea they did soundcast and irc [16:34] KDE for me crashes too much, literally every 5-30 minutes. especially when I'm using Wine. [16:34] xfce, fvwm, unity-2d, gnome3 will be working soon enough... [16:34] I haven't played with kde, or wine, in a long time [16:39] shirgall: Why would Canonical ship me a package and not even let me know what it is? I'm assuming its a Conference Kit since I requested one but mind you I requested it after 7pm on a Thursday and the next morning got a UPS e-mail saying it had been shipped [16:39] so my assumption is it is a conf kit but perhaps Mark S sent me a petite lap giraffe [16:39] :D [16:40] bkerensa: I have no way to know [16:41] :D [16:41] Canonical is a mystery to me :P you all work remotely and send packages in clandestine manner :P [16:41] well it should be here within the hour so I guess I'll find out [16:42] bkerensa: Run silent, run deep [16:42] LOL [16:57] shirgall: You seen the Raspberrypi's? I'm on a list to get one in November [16:57] bkerensa: I haven't played with one [16:58] I've seen the Raspberry Pi's. interesting piece of machinery. [16:58] although I'm not exactly sure what it's for. [16:58] C_Smith: Its a computer ;) [16:59] C_Smith: You can run Ubuntu on one [16:59] bkerensa: Got pandaboards for that :) [17:02] Still, at 1/5 the price, it's an interesting item [17:03] bkerensa: What I prefer about that OMAP4-based board is that it has a full complement of ports... HDMI, USB, Ethernet... [17:04] Bkerensa, then that's a small PC. [17:04] bkerensa: Hrm, Broadcom BCM2835 I haven't played with yety [17:04] C_Smith: If by small you mean "USB key sized" :) [17:05] yep, and that's a tiny PC compared even to Netbooks. [17:05] C_Smith: yeah, the pandaboard is about 6"x6"x2" [17:05] you'd still probably need a monitor, though. [17:06] most TVs will serve that purpose well, though. [17:15] Well the box from Canonical arrived its lanyards and stickers galore to give out at puppetconf [17:16] but no CD's? Weird I thought were supposed to get 75 [17:16] oh wait I gotta order those via http://shipit.ubuntu.com/ but shipit is down [17:17] bkerensa, with 11.04, Canonical said they are discontinuing Shipit. [17:18] C_Smith: Thats only for end users [17:18] ;) [17:18] ah, I see. [17:18] LoCo Leads are still able to use it for conf cd's [17:18] is Cloud computing really all it's cracked up to be? [17:31] C_Smith: Depends on what you want to do with it [17:35] C_Smith: I take that back apparently Canonical doesnt do CD's at all for unapproved teams anymore and just forgot to update the wiki covering this :P but Approved teams can request CD's for conferences and once a release cycle. [18:07] well, apparently Banshee transfers MP4 Videos just fine, but not .M4V videos..... is there a good converter for .M4V to .MP4? [18:07] VLC [18:08] VLC converts? [18:08] yes [18:08] hmmmm, never knew it could, and I've used it quite a bit for playing videos. [18:09] Media -> Convert/Save [18:09] C_Smith: ffmpeg is good for converting things [18:09] yeah but ffmpeg is all command line which gets really confusing when you've got that many options [18:10] imo [18:10] thefinn93: I agree, but when you're trying to get it right, ffmpeg doesn't hide anything from you [18:10] true, [18:10] but for M4V to MP4, VLC will do fine [18:12] cool, never really got the hang of ffmpeg. [18:19] thefinn93: You going with me to Hillsboro? To see the crane [18:19] no [18:20] trying to root this tab [18:20] good luck with that [18:21] thx [18:21] it looks promising [18:22] the seemingly accepted method of rooting uses an adb exploit [18:22] which this obviously has [18:25] well, VLC didn't seem to like converting it, I'll try using this GUI I found for FFMpeg [18:25] WinFF? [18:25] yep [18:25] good [18:26] meh, don't see the option for that in it. [18:35] bkerensa, can i (try) to root this tab or do you still need more stuff with it? [18:44] not sure what "rooting a tab" means, but whatever. [18:45] tablet [18:45] an android tablet [18:45] i'm rooting [18:45] it [18:45] ah, I see. [18:45] as in jumping from an unprivileged user to root [18:45] rooting the tablet is like jailbreaking an Iphone? [18:45] yes [18:45] ok, I see. [18:46] and this isn't specific to tablets [18:46] android devices in general [18:46] ah, cool [18:46] but i think this device might have come pre-rooted [18:46] which is unheard of AFAIK [18:46] so, you could jailbreak a Droid phone per se? [18:47] yep [18:47] except it's called Rooting not Jailbreaking [18:47] because Android is a fork of linux [18:47] ooops, my mistake. [18:47] basically, when you get an android phone (or device) [18:48] the user that you're running as [18:48] isn't a sudoer (so can't use sudo) [18:48] rooting it basically makes the person a sudoer [18:48] cool [18:48] yep [18:49] speaking of which, I find myself using sudo apt-get a lot..... really much more useful than the software center when you know the package name you need. [18:49] absolutely [18:49] the software center is for non-technical users [18:54] working from the command line is almost always faster than doing it in a GUI [18:54] *if you know what you are doing [18:54] C_Smith: I admit to using synaptic, especially when I'm looking at what packages and versions are in ppas for comparison puropses [18:55] and forcing package versions for that matter [18:55] synaptic i've actually found useful when i have broken dependancies. when 11.10 goes stable, Synaptic is going on it. [18:56] and the only forced install I've ever done is the set of programs for Lightscribe on a 64-bit OS (the apps only come in i386 architecture.) [18:57] yes, I used 11.10 beta, but for me, it was bad, couldn't use most of the stuff I need. so I went back to 11.04 [18:57] C_Smith: it took a couple days, but I got all my normal flow stabilized now [18:58] what was wrong with 11.10? [18:58] meh, most of the stuff I use only has packages for 11.04 and below. [18:58] wine even only has packages for that. [18:59] since 11.10 is only in beta, most developers are gonna concentrate on 11.04 until the final release of 11.10 [18:59] most of the stuff I use comes directly from a PPA. [19:01] C_Smith: most of the PPAs I grab things from had oneiric branches, I admit [19:01] yeah, I haven't found that in the ones I use. [19:02] and when I tried to run a program that needs opengl, it crashes because the library for it isn't installed correctly in a new 11.10 installation. [19:02] I find that especially with wine there. [19:03] C_Smith: mesa? vdpau? dri? [19:03] some library to do with drivers. [19:03] C_Smith: remember that when you do upgrades, it's best to purge the ppas first and then relayer back on [19:03] possibly mesa, can't say for sure. [19:03] actually, I did a clean install. [19:03] C_Smith: it's especially true with X edgers [19:03] mainly because my PC name was just "c" [19:03] oh, hrm [19:04] so a clean install (as in wiping the current installation and installing 11.10) means I can rename the PC. [19:04] I use xorg edgers quite a bit. [19:09] well, most stuff that would be in PPA's should be in the official repos right? [19:09] tgm4883: not everythign makes it into universe quickly [19:10] shirgall, you are talking about brand new stuff then? [19:10] tgm4883: yeah, that's why I use PPAs is for stuff that's not done yet :) [19:10] But.... If it's brand new, it can't be in 11.04 [19:11] If there is a PPA for it for 11.04, then it can't be new [19:11] if it's brand new, it wasn't around for 11.04 [19:11] see what I'm saying [19:11] tgm4883: you'd be surprised how long it takes for some things, or certain pieces of functionality, to eventually make it into universe [19:12] shirgall, source required* [19:12] tgm4883: of course [19:12] I know exactly how long it takes to get stuff into universe [19:12] tgm4883: if there's no source, it might make it into partners, depends on what it is [19:13] well, for example there's some features in indicator-weather that are not available except from the PPA [19:13] anyway, it's not like I have a lot of them [19:13] tgm, you'd be surprised at how much is in PPAs but isn't in the main software channels. take Super Boot Manager for example, it's not in the official repositories, but it IS in a seperate PPA. [19:14] shirgall, isn't gnome-panel gone in 11.10? [19:14] C_Smith, so that sounds more like lazy developers though [19:14] tgm4883: indicator-weather's oneiric build works fine for me [19:15] well, I don't know how a dev would get their software into the official channel. so I wouldn't know. [19:15] C_Smith, there is a process for it [19:15] adhere to some rules, and it is in [19:15] ok [19:16] shirgall, so if there is a oneiric build, why isn't it in the repos? [19:16] I don't have any official coding knowledge (should get back to learning Python, this is getting ridiculous) so I have no reason to make a program that don't work whatsoever. [19:16] tgm4883: I dunno, the version in the repos is older [19:34] hmmmm, using ffmpeg via command line seems easier than I thought. [19:35] and I can go directly to the format I'm looking for without searching menus. [19:35] well, I'll just let this finish, come back later on. [19:35] cya [19:39] It sucks that Freegeek might abandon Ubuntu =/ [20:00] wha? [20:00] why? [21:40] primarily because it seems like the hardware requirements for the newer releases are scaling up pretty drastically. [21:41] we already have a hard time with a lot of older P4 systems that can't run Lucid without patches, if at all. [21:41] but, it's still under discussion. [21:41] and Lucid is still supported for another couple of years, I think. [21:42] (for the desktop version, if I'm remembering right) [21:47] too bad the lxde ubuntu port isn't quite there yet [21:47] I tried it out, but there was still some major issues with it [22:15] el_seano: unity-2d is supposed to be making it so the hardware requirements are not so painful... if it's not working for you, please let me know [22:16] shirgall: testing to follow :) [22:17] one of the biggest issues is early Athlon XP and Mobile Pentium 4s choking on Lucid, as well as incompatibility with the 828{45,55}G graphics chipsets [22:17] xubuntu? [22:18] el_seano: Ah, Lucid has it s struggles, that's true, early unity-2d hits in Maverick [22:19] el_seano: xfce is pretty much where you want to be with Lucid [22:20] I think we actually lean more towards lxde, though i've had good experiences with xfce in the past. [22:29] I played with the lubuntu release, but there were some key things it failed on like drive encryption (that was a show stopper since we have to have all laptops encrypted) [22:29] other than that I think its got potential [22:45] Brian_H, I'm hoping there is some education with full drive encryption as well [22:46] since it isn't the end all be all that people make it out to be [22:47] we have to have it for business data, thats why we require it :) [22:49] hmmm, I need to fine-tune what bitrates I convert videos at. [22:50] Brian_H, understandable, I just see a lot of people think they are totally secure with full disk encryption and get no further education on it. Unfortunately if you need full disk encryption, then you really need the education as to how people can still attack you [22:50] oh yea for sure :) [22:50] other than that, it transcoded and transferred just fine just using ffmpeg in Terminal as the encoder. [22:50] encryption doesn't do you a lick of good if you leave your workstation powered on and unlocked lol [22:51] so, how is everyone? :D [22:51] Brian_H, powering off your desktop doesn't protect you 100% either though [22:52] A targeted attack+time will still yield access to your data [22:52] time being 1-2 days [22:54] true [22:54] gah, ffmpeg takes a loooooong time to transcode a video....... [22:54] but any transcoder takes time, eh? [22:55] C_Smith: yeah, in general ffmpeg is pretty efficient [22:55] C_Smith, I think I use handbrake and IIRC I do ~30 FPS [22:55] C_Smith: it just takes what it takes :/ [22:55] 30-40 I think [22:56] when encoding a file on my hard disk, I get 74 fps in ffmpeg. [22:56] that doesn't include dvds, just videos on my hard disk. [22:56] brb [22:56] The above is for my DVDs -> h264 conversions [22:57] I'd have to check the settings on it, but IIRC I'm doing pretty high quality [22:57] for DVD's that is, so still not a super high quality :/ [23:00] tgm4883: 480p is nothign to laugh at [23:01] 480p isn't something to write home about either [23:02] tgm4883: It's pretty good on most TVs, and 480i served three generations fine :) [23:03] shirgall, by that definition, we don't need computers. As typewriters have been around forever. [23:04] tgm4883: That's not a definition, but most youtube video is 360p, let alone 480p or higher [23:04] (insert reference to records, horse and buggy, wooden ships) [23:04] yea, and on a full screen 360p looks like crap [23:05] You're not going to find 1080p sources for all of your DVDs yet, I'm sure... there's a lot of stuff not yet on Blu-Ray that I want [23:05] shirgall, true, but given the choice, I think it is clear (no pun intended) [23:05] And a lot of stuff can't do better than 480p... lots of shot-on-video work [23:06] true, a lot of the home grown stuff is going to be low quality [23:06] along with some of the smaller studios/small budget films [23:06] tgm4883: I'm talking about mainstream television stuff until the 90s [23:07] shirgall, yes a lot of television stuff from that time period will be low quality [23:07] They didn't bother to do it on high quality gear [23:07] and I R Back. [23:07] xD [23:07] tgm4883: there was no reason to, when TVs only did 480i [23:08] shirgall, again... for television [23:08] tgm4883: crapload more content for television than for film [23:08] * tgm4883 just got turned down for a job at google :( [23:08] awwww. sorry to hear. [23:09] shirgall, quantity != quality [23:09] * C_Smith gives tgm4883 a pat on the back [23:09] thanks [23:09] hopefully my other job interview will have turned out better [23:09] although I was less confident with that one, as they wanted a bunch of enterprise hardware experience [23:09] i has none :( [23:10] tgm4883: I'm not sure why we're going down this path. I started by pointing out that most content is 480p and its quality is reasonable for most purposes. I stand by that. [23:10] I hear ya, I have none of that myself. [23:10] shirgall, reasonable for most purposes? I suppose you are correct, if I want to know what happened in the show I can get it from that recording [23:11] yay!!! ffmpeg finished! now to do a quality check on the audio and video [23:11] shirgall, but I stand by that, given the choice, I'm going to go with the 1080p version [23:12] heck, given a show with better content at 480i and a show with slightly less content at 1080p i'm choosing the 1080p version [23:12] hmmmm, better, not quite there, though [23:12] video is good, sound, not so much [23:14] tgm4883: you're talking to someone that's been watching Breaking Bad and the Walking Dead in SD and buying the blu-rays a year later, I know what you mean, but I'm not gonna watch Desperate Housewives at 1080i/720p instead [23:14] shirgall, I said slightly less quality content, not total crap [23:14] tgm4883: Luckily DirecTV is bringing AMC in HD on September 9th... [23:14] shirgall, they don't have that in HD [23:14] * tgm4883 stabs DirecTV [23:14] tgm4883: Ok, how about the new "V" series that they canceled? :) [23:15] Who doesn't have what in HD? [23:15] shirgall, sorry, that was more of a shock retorical question [23:15] as in [23:15] DirecTV doesn't have AMC in HD yet !?! [23:16] Yeah, it pains me to say [23:16] I wish networks would stop killing shows that are good, yet not #1 in their timeslot [23:16] There's no cable out where I live [23:16] or shows that don't have a ton of followers because the network keeps moving them around [23:16] I'm looking at you Fox! [23:16] tgm4883: Yeah, I agree, they killed V, Lie to Me, and other stuff I actually liked [23:17] Well, ABC killed V [23:17] And Flash Forward, come to think of it [23:17] And we'll see if "Falling Skies" survives [23:18] V, Lie to me, Terminator, (i'm ok with flash forward dying), tons of other shows I can't think of right now [23:18] oh, doll house [23:18] Yeah, I forgot Sarah Connor Chromicles [23:18] Chronicles [23:19] now to try 320 bps for sound [23:19] was trying 128 [23:20] C_Smith: I have some crappy stuff at 56VBR, good enough for AM radio, almost [23:20] vbr is ogg vorbis? [23:23] or is vbr supposed to be bps? [23:23] think I'm missing something here. [23:28] vbr is variable bit rate [23:29] intended to save space [23:29] ah, i see. [23:29] it's a format that rapidly became irrelevant as portable audio players increased space by orders of magnitude [23:30]