| orangeninja | Hey wrst what's going on? | 00:07 |
|---|---|---|
| wrst | not much orangeninja how are you? | 00:08 |
| orangeninja | fine | 00:10 |
| orangeninja | just been getting somethings done around the house this weekend. | 00:12 |
| wrst | same here orangeninja, and sadly the long weekend is nearly over | 00:16 |
| orangeninja | I know:( | 00:17 |
| wrst | i am spending the rest of my night watching some baseball and locking my server down a little | 00:20 |
| wrst | chris4585: my arch install of gnome shell just got a power off thing in the menu, heard anything about that? or I'm wondering if I installed an extension by mistake? | 00:41 |
| wrst | and I did Alternate Status Menu Extension | 00:42 |
| orangeninja | wrst: I have been checking out some VPN services tonight. Trying to decide if I am going to get one. | 00:42 |
| wrst | cool orangeninja | 00:43 |
| orangeninja | If I have a VPN, I dont need a BNC for IRC right? | 00:44 |
| wrst | orangeninja: over my head there :) | 00:46 |
| * wrst isn't much on networking | 00:47 | |
| orangeninja | ha, me neither | 00:48 |
| wrst | orangeninja: you just wanting an always on irc ? | 00:48 |
| orangeninja | yes, I eventually want to have it running all the time and use Screen/droid to access whenever. BUt I also would not mind to hide my hostname on IRC networks I don't have cloak with, | 00:51 |
| wrst | ahh a vps would be really great for that | 00:52 |
| wrst | maybe an amazon ec2 or something | 00:52 |
| orangeninja | ill search those then. | 00:53 |
| wrst | cyberanger: has done some looking about that he would be the guy to talk to on all that fine stuff | 00:55 |
| * wrst is liking unity more and more in 11.10 beta | 00:56 | |
| orangeninja | made it a little better? | 01:06 |
| wrst | a LOT better orangeninja I can even use this | 01:08 |
| orangeninja | cool | 01:09 |
| wrst | and I can run gnome shell and not some hackish halfworking ppa | 01:14 |
| * cyberanger is here, dealing with flooding today | 04:19 | |
| chris4585 | wrst, let me look | 04:43 |
| chris4585 | wrst, I think one of my repos is messing up | 04:44 |
| Unit193 | cyberanger: Eh, that can't be fun... There was a bathroom toilet flood at the visit with family :P | 04:50 |
| cyberanger | Unit193: http://www.newschannel9.com/news/cleveland-1004525-army-salvation.html | 06:13 |
| cyberanger | I think my photo is in there | 06:13 |
| cyberanger | idk, busy day | 06:13 |
| Unit193 | Since there only seems to be one picture, it wouldn't be hard to findout if one knows you :P | 06:25 |
| cyberanger | Unit193: more than one article, hadn't gone through it yet | 06:29 |
| wrst | welcome aboard average_guy, cosmicpizza | 12:42 |
| average_guy | good morning | 12:43 |
| wrst | morning average_guy how's the week getting started for you? | 12:45 |
| average_guy | I can't complain wrst | 12:46 |
| wrst | me either average_guy | 12:46 |
| average_guy | I tried xubuntu 11.10 last night | 12:46 |
| average_guy | it didn't work though :( | 12:47 |
| wrst | average_guy: i've never been a real xfce fan or atleast in xubuntu it never seemed all that much lighter to me but I never really got into it either | 12:48 |
| average_guy | oh, I love Xfce. I don't really think it's all that much faster but it does have less of the stuff I don't need | 12:49 |
| average_guy | I like "full-featured", but I don't really care if my windows wobble and stuff like that | 12:50 |
| wrst | average_guy: I like the whole bloated thing :) | 12:50 |
| average_guy | yeah I heard ya singin praises to unity | 12:51 |
| wrst | well average_guy praises, may be a little too much but its better than it was | 12:51 |
| wrst | but it was absolute total steaming pile of poo | 12:51 |
| average_guy | I have a pretty old machine wrst. I have to run GNOME Ubuntu in "classic" mode | 12:52 |
| wrst | yeah gotcha have you tried lubuntu ? | 12:53 |
| Xpistos | Morning all | 12:54 |
| average_guy | yeah, I have. That's a little TOO light for me. | 12:54 |
| wrst | ahh gotcha average_guy :) | 12:54 |
| Xpistos | Anybody use or has used Arch? | 13:55 |
| wrst | Xpistos: I'm your guy | 14:23 |
| wrst | and chris4585 is your guy | 14:23 |
| wrst | and read the documentation!!!! | 14:23 |
| wrst | :D | 14:23 |
| Xpistos | well, i have an old tecra 8100 and I an going to give it a shot | 14:23 |
| Xpistos | looking at the beginners guide now | 14:24 |
| Xpistos | basically all i need it to do right now is boot, gui and let me read some .cbr files this week end | 14:24 |
| wrst | Xpistos: its a good distro its as little or as much as you want, but there is absolutely no hand holding in anything with it | 14:24 |
| Xpistos | Well, I am buring the iso now | 14:25 |
| Xpistos | lol | 14:25 |
| wrst | i highly suggest the net install if you can | 14:25 |
| Xpistos | I can | 14:25 |
| wrst | gets you up to date right from the start | 14:25 |
| Xpistos | I can't | 14:25 |
| wrst | and the new installer actually does do *some* hand holding | 14:25 |
| Xpistos | lol | 14:25 |
| Xpistos | "...there is absolutely no hand holding..." | 14:26 |
| wrst | the new installer is similar to installing debian, but the partitioning can be a pain in the rear | 14:26 |
| Xpistos | as I have learned | 14:26 |
| wrst | ha ha Xpistos yeah they did make the isntaller easier, but the partitioning still stinks | 14:26 |
| Xpistos | I am trying to install this with 64 of ram and 12 gb hard drive | 14:26 |
| Xpistos | let' | 14:26 |
| Xpistos | let's see what it can do | 14:26 |
| wrst | it will do fine :) now I'm not for sure about the gui part | 14:27 |
| Xpistos | well I need some type of interface so I can read the .cbr files | 14:27 |
| Xpistos | since they are comic book rars | 14:27 |
| Xpistos | burnt | 14:28 |
| Xpistos | now into the computer | 14:28 |
| wrst | Xpistos: I would suggest a very base install don't select any of the options to install anything short of the base system so its just you and a root prompt on start up | 14:31 |
| Xpistos | nothing gets selected | 14:35 |
| Xpistos | I have to select anything so I am not sure about what constitutes a "base" install | 14:35 |
| wrst | just enable base and base-devel that's all you need and of course setup your root password | 14:35 |
| Xpistos | ok, I see it now | 14:36 |
| wrst | i usually have it to download, ssh and what not but on 64MB of RAM I would start with nothing and work my way up | 14:36 |
| Xpistos | should I use grub or syslinux? | 14:36 |
| wrst | grub | 14:36 |
| Xpistos | and select base-devel but don't install anything extra right | 14:37 |
| Xpistos | base & base-devel | 14:37 |
| wrst | it use grub legacy still | 14:37 |
| Xpistos | and I am using ext3 | 14:37 |
| Xpistos | or ext4 | 14:37 |
| wrst | yep that's what you need the base-devel well have to be activated sometime so just easier to do it | 14:37 |
| wrst | whatever your fancy is, I always use ext4 | 14:38 |
| wrst | but I'm not on such hardware as yours | 14:38 |
| Xpistos | here we go | 14:38 |
| wrst | Xpistos: whatever you want to install just google, arch linux xorg or arch linux lxde etc etc | 14:39 |
| wrst | and when/if you set up xorg I'm sure you will want to go with the vesa drivers | 14:40 |
| Xpistos | on this box yes | 14:40 |
| wrst | yeah, of course you can download the nividia, ati drivers and the opensource nividia, ati, and intel drivers but on this machine vesa well be what you want | 14:41 |
| Xpistos | ok | 14:46 |
| Xpistos | here is the part that I have problems with | 14:46 |
| Xpistos | Configuration | 14:46 |
| wrst | only thing you *have* to configure is the root password, everything else will work | 14:47 |
| wrst | you will have to get familiar with /etc/rc.conf to start various daemons, etc | 14:47 |
| Xpistos | is there a filesystem that is better for smaller amounts of ram | 14:49 |
| Xpistos | reiserfs | 14:50 |
| Xpistos | ext | 14:50 |
| Xpistos | btrfs? | 14:50 |
| wrst | I don't know Xpistos, ext has been there and done that I just usually stay with the tried and true | 14:52 |
| Xpistos | okay it is installing on the real box now not the vm | 14:54 |
| wrst | as long as the CLI doesn't bother you, you should be good to go | 14:56 |
| Xpistos | I am good on the vm | 15:02 |
| Xpistos | I got the hostname changed | 15:03 |
| Xpistos | got my user account added | 15:03 |
| Xpistos | but I don't have root access with my user | 15:03 |
| Xpistos | have to look that up | 15:03 |
| wrst | Xpistos: not following you on don't have root access with your user? | 15:03 |
| Xpistos | I have the root user | 15:04 |
| Xpistos | but I added "x" | 15:04 |
| Xpistos | and I need to give x admin priv | 15:04 |
| Xpistos | I got my eth0 configured and pining google | 15:04 |
| wrst | you want to log into x as root? | 15:04 |
| Xpistos | yes | 15:15 |
| Xpistos | should I add any additional repos? | 15:15 |
| Xpistos | unofficial? | 15:15 |
| Xpistos | no right? | 15:15 |
| wrst | no don't add them until you need them | 15:16 |
| wrst | keep everything as lean as possible | 15:16 |
| wrst | depending on what you want to do you may need the AUR | 15:16 |
| wrst | but whatever you do DO NOT enable testing :) | 15:17 |
| wrst | that is if you want a stable system :) | 15:17 |
| Xpistos | I tried to do pacman -Syy but it said there are no servers configured | 15:21 |
| wrst | Xpistos: go to /etc/pacman.d/ and edit mirrorlist be sure that you have a server uncommented | 15:23 |
| wrst | probably use the one you installed with | 15:24 |
| wrst | also ping someplace to make sure you are online | 15:24 |
| Xpistos | well that is wierd | 15:25 |
| Xpistos | I was online | 15:25 |
| Xpistos | okay I am | 15:25 |
| Xpistos | there is nothing in /etc/pacman.d | 15:26 |
| wrst | ok edit /etc/pacman.d/mirrorlist and make sure you have a mirror uncommented, I'm assuming you chose nano as your editor of choice? | 15:26 |
| Xpistos | yep | 15:26 |
| wrst | Xpistos: that would be a problem :) | 15:26 |
| wrst | hang on | 15:26 |
| Xpistos | /etc/pacman.conf has the repos listed in it | 15:27 |
| wrst | yes but not the mirrors | 15:27 |
| wrst | it should redirect to /etc/pacman.d/mirrorlist | 15:27 |
| wrst | let me get you one fixed up hang on | 15:27 |
| wrst | Xpistos: wget http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2959906/mirrorlist | 15:28 |
| wrst | and copy to /etc/pacman.d/ | 15:28 |
| Xpistos | okay wait. mirror list is in there | 15:29 |
| wrst | of course you will need to be root | 15:29 |
| Xpistos | sorry | 15:29 |
| wrst | ok check and make sure that you have a mirror uncommented | 15:29 |
| Xpistos | I misunderstood | 15:29 |
| Xpistos | let me check | 15:29 |
| Xpistos | do I need more than one | 15:29 |
| wrst | nope | 15:30 |
| wrst | but... | 15:30 |
| wrst | if you uncomment one of the first two i think you will always have a good one | 15:31 |
| wrst | no danger in having more than one, pacman goes down the list, if it doesn't hit one it moves to the next uncommented many suggest havign 5 | 15:31 |
| wrst | only issue is that if a mirror is slow catching up | 15:32 |
| wrst | but pacman generallly hadles all of that | 15:32 |
| Xpistos | ok synchronizing on the laptop now | 15:32 |
| Xpistos | may take a while | 15:32 |
| Xpistos | WOW, this is really nice | 15:41 |
| wrst | yeah it really is Xpistos | 15:42 |
| wrst | or I really like it anyway | 15:42 |
| Xpistos | I thought there was a lot more stuff to worry about like every single package | 15:43 |
| wrst | nooo pacman is very simialr to apt-get it does all the work of dependencies for you | 15:44 |
| wrst | we aren't talking gentoo difficulty ;) | 15:44 |
| Xpistos | I am installing xorg now | 15:44 |
| Xpistos | and then if that goes I will install comix and I should be good to g | 15:44 |
| Xpistos | o | 15:45 |
| wrst | yep just be sure you install the xorg-utils and all those packages in the wiki it makes everything go a lot smoother, I'm bad to just install one thing then forget to look at the wiki for the rest :) | 15:54 |
| Xpistos | wrst: well i will tell you what, setting up x-org is not fun. | 16:51 |
| wrst | Xpistos: shouldn't be much setup to it unless you have an odd card ? | 16:51 |
| Xpistos | old card | 16:52 |
| Xpistos | xdpyinfo: unable to open display "" | 16:52 |
| wrst | did you install the mesa driver? | 16:54 |
| Xpistos | xf86-video-savage | 16:55 |
| wrst | vesa | 16:55 |
| wrst | try the vesa driver, pacman -Rd xf86-video-savage and install xf86-video-vesa you stand a better chance of it working | 16:55 |
| Xpistos | do i have to do anything after installing the driver? | 16:56 |
| wrst | i would reboot | 16:57 |
| Xpistos | ok | 16:57 |
| wrst | well yeah you need to reboot actually | 16:57 |
| Xpistos | interesting after the reboot I got a graphical terminal - lol | 16:59 |
| wrst | can you start x now? | 17:00 |
| Xpistos | on the laptop I got it using the savage driver | 17:01 |
| Xpistos | rebooting the vm now | 17:01 |
| Xpistos | yep | 17:02 |
| Xpistos | I got a clock and two terminal windows | 17:02 |
| wrst | oh wait you are on a vm? | 17:02 |
| wrst | thought this was on the laptop? | 17:02 |
| Xpistos | LOL - BOTH | 17:02 |
| Xpistos | lol | 17:02 |
| wrst | you running virtualbox? | 17:02 |
| Xpistos | The vm yes | 17:02 |
| Xpistos | any way. I have similar results on both | 17:02 |
| wrst | Xpistos: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Arch_Linux_VirtualBox_Guest | 17:03 |
| Xpistos | Holy crap it works | 17:03 |
| Xpistos | I am looking at comix (the app) in the gui right now | 17:04 |
| Xpistos | lol | 17:04 |
| wrst | there you go | 17:04 |
| Xpistos | I don't actually have a comic to try but I am going to install comix on the laptop and see what I got | 17:04 |
| wrst | are you going to run a desktop on it? | 17:06 |
| Xpistos | ok while the laptop does that, i am going to try and install icewm on the vm | 17:06 |
| Xpistos | I would like to but let's see what happens | 17:06 |
| wrst | what I like about arch is that it gives you totally vanilla packages on everything | 17:06 |
| Xpistos | holy crap I can read my books on the lapto | 17:20 |
| Xpistos | now if I can just figure out how to get icewm working I am golden | 17:20 |
| Xpistos | wllI couldn't get icewm working. It should be working but it isn't so I am going to to try xfce4 | 17:37 |
| wrst | i have had good luck with openbox | 17:59 |
| Xpistos | wrst: well i got xfce working but I can't get it to run from .xinitrc | 18:19 |
| Xpistos | i have to "startxfce4" instead | 18:20 |
| wrst | Xpistos: you have xdm installed? | 18:20 |
| Xpistos | no | 18:20 |
| Xpistos | I don't want it cause I want to start the gui when I want t | 18:20 |
| wrst | ahh gotcha was going to suggest you add xdm to the daemons in rc.conf | 18:21 |
| wrst | never done what you are wanting there Xpistos | 18:22 |
| Xpistos | it is fine startxfce4 does that trick | 18:23 |
| Xpistos | maybe I will install a video player on it too and see how that works | 18:24 |
| Xpistos | what is a media player that is not resource intensive? VLC? | 18:27 |
| Xpistos | Dragon? | 18:27 |
| wrst | Xpistos: cyberanger is your man on that | 18:37 |
| wrst | but be warned he will have you watching videos using ASCII art on the terminal ;) | 18:38 |
| Xpistos | mplayer looked lightweight | 18:38 |
| Xpistos | I already saw the star wars one. lol | 18:38 |
| wrst | ha ha | 18:39 |
| wrst | i'm thinking mplayer would be as light weight as you will probably find but I don't deal with super light weight | 18:39 |
| cyberanger | vlc -I ncurses | 18:44 |
| cyberanger | (and it does launch an xwindow) | 18:44 |
| wrst | Xpistos: ^^^ | 18:47 |
| wrst | cyberanger: you are the man ;) | 18:47 |
| Xpistos | but you have to tell it to open a specific file yes? | 18:48 |
| Xpistos | vlc -l ncurses video.avi | 18:48 |
| Xpistos | bing | 18:51 |
| Xpistos | now I just need my sound to work | 18:51 |
| Xpistos | of course I didn't install a sound driver | 18:52 |
| Xpistos | and would mplayer work iwth ncurses? | 18:54 |
| cyberanger | Xpistos: with vlc, on the line like that, or in the interface (and it's vlc -I ncurses) | 19:12 |
| cyberanger | mplayer might, idk | 19:12 |
| Xpistos | still trying to get the sound card to work | 19:58 |
| wrst | older machines can be a pain Xpistos | 20:13 |
| * cyberanger hands out sme asprine | 20:26 | |
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