[00:07] <orangeninja> Hey wrst what's going on?
[00:08] <wrst> not much orangeninja how are you?
[00:10] <orangeninja> fine
[00:12] <orangeninja> just been getting somethings done around the house this weekend.
[00:16] <wrst> same here orangeninja, and sadly the long weekend is nearly over
[00:17] <orangeninja> I know:(
[00:20] <wrst> i am spending the rest of my night watching some baseball and locking my server down a little
[00:41] <wrst> chris4585: my arch install of gnome shell just got a power off thing in the menu, heard anything about that? or I'm wondering if I installed an extension by mistake?
[00:42] <wrst> and I did Alternate Status Menu Extension
[00:42] <orangeninja> wrst: I have been checking out some VPN services tonight. Trying to decide if I am going to get one.
[00:43] <wrst> cool orangeninja
[00:44] <orangeninja> If I have a VPN, I dont need a BNC for IRC right?
[00:46] <wrst> orangeninja: over my head there :)
[00:47]  * wrst isn't much on networking
[00:48] <orangeninja> ha, me neither
[00:48] <wrst> orangeninja: you just wanting an always on irc ?
[00:51] <orangeninja> yes, I eventually want to have it running all the time and use Screen/droid to access whenever. BUt I also would not mind to hide my hostname on IRC networks I don't have cloak with,
[00:52] <wrst> ahh a vps would be really great for that
[00:52] <wrst> maybe an amazon ec2 or something
[00:53] <orangeninja> ill search those then.
[00:55] <wrst> cyberanger: has done some looking about that he would be the guy to talk to on all that fine stuff
[00:56]  * wrst is liking unity more and more in 11.10 beta
[01:06] <orangeninja> made it a little better?
[01:08] <wrst> a LOT better orangeninja I can even use this
[01:09] <orangeninja> cool
[01:14] <wrst> and I can run gnome shell and not some hackish halfworking ppa
[04:19]  * cyberanger is here, dealing with flooding today
[04:43] <chris4585> wrst, let me look
[04:44] <chris4585> wrst, I think one of my repos is messing up
[04:50] <Unit193> cyberanger: Eh, that can't be fun... There was a bathroom toilet flood at the visit with family :P
[06:13] <cyberanger> Unit193: http://www.newschannel9.com/news/cleveland-1004525-army-salvation.html
[06:13] <cyberanger> I think my photo is in there
[06:13] <cyberanger> idk, busy day
[06:25] <Unit193> Since there only seems to be one picture, it wouldn't be hard to findout if one knows you :P
[06:29] <cyberanger> Unit193: more than one article, hadn't gone through it yet
[12:42] <wrst> welcome aboard average_guy, cosmicpizza
[12:43] <average_guy> good morning
[12:45] <wrst> morning average_guy how's the week getting started for you?
[12:46] <average_guy> I can't complain wrst
[12:46] <wrst> me either average_guy
[12:46] <average_guy> I tried xubuntu 11.10 last night
[12:47] <average_guy> it didn't work though :(
[12:48] <wrst> average_guy: i've never been a real xfce fan  or atleast in xubuntu it never seemed all that much lighter to me but I never really got into it either
[12:49] <average_guy> oh, I love Xfce.  I don't really think it's all that much faster but it does have less of the stuff I don't need
[12:50] <average_guy> I like "full-featured", but I don't really care if my windows wobble and stuff like that
[12:50] <wrst> average_guy: I like the whole bloated thing :)
[12:51] <average_guy> yeah I heard ya singin praises to unity
[12:51] <wrst> well average_guy praises, may be a little too much but its better than it was
[12:51] <wrst> but it was absolute total steaming pile of poo
[12:52] <average_guy> I have a pretty old machine wrst.  I have to run GNOME Ubuntu in "classic" mode
[12:53] <wrst> yeah gotcha have you tried lubuntu ?
[12:54] <Xpistos> Morning all
[12:54] <average_guy> yeah, I have.  That's a little TOO light for me.
[12:54] <wrst> ahh gotcha average_guy :)
[13:55] <Xpistos> Anybody use or has used Arch?
[14:23] <wrst> Xpistos: I'm your guy
[14:23] <wrst> and chris4585 is your guy
[14:23] <wrst> and read the documentation!!!!
[14:23] <wrst> :D
[14:23] <Xpistos> well, i have an old tecra 8100 and I an going to give it a shot
[14:24] <Xpistos> looking at the beginners guide now
[14:24] <Xpistos> basically all i need it to do right now is boot, gui and let me read some .cbr files this week end
[14:24] <wrst> Xpistos: its a good distro its as little or as much as you want, but there is absolutely no hand holding in anything with it
[14:25] <Xpistos> Well, I am buring the iso now
[14:25] <Xpistos> lol
[14:25] <wrst> i highly suggest the net install if you can
[14:25] <Xpistos> I can
[14:25] <wrst> gets you up to date right from the start
[14:25] <Xpistos> I can't
[14:25] <wrst> and the new installer actually does do *some* hand holding
[14:25] <Xpistos> lol
[14:26] <Xpistos> "...there is absolutely no hand holding..."
[14:26] <wrst> the new installer is similar to installing debian, but the partitioning can be a pain in the rear
[14:26] <Xpistos> as I have learned
[14:26] <wrst> ha ha Xpistos yeah they did make the isntaller easier, but the partitioning still stinks
[14:26] <Xpistos> I am trying to install this with 64 of ram and 12 gb hard drive
[14:26] <Xpistos> let'
[14:26] <Xpistos> let's see what it can do
[14:27] <wrst> it will do fine :) now I'm not for sure about the gui part
[14:27] <Xpistos> well I need some type of interface so I can read the .cbr files
[14:27] <Xpistos> since they are comic book rars
[14:28] <Xpistos> burnt
[14:28] <Xpistos> now into the computer
[14:31] <wrst> Xpistos: I would suggest a very base install don't select any of the options to install anything short of the base system so its just you and a root prompt on start up
[14:35] <Xpistos> nothing gets selected
[14:35] <Xpistos> I have to select anything so I am not sure about what constitutes a "base" install
[14:35] <wrst> just enable base and base-devel that's all you need and of course setup your root password
[14:36] <Xpistos> ok, I see it now
[14:36] <wrst> i usually have it to download, ssh and what not but on 64MB of RAM I would start with nothing and work my way up
[14:36] <Xpistos> should I use grub or syslinux?
[14:36] <wrst> grub
[14:37] <Xpistos> and select base-devel but don't install anything extra right
[14:37] <Xpistos> base & base-devel
[14:37] <wrst> it use grub legacy still
[14:37] <Xpistos> and I am using ext3
[14:37] <Xpistos> or ext4
[14:37] <wrst> yep that's what you need the base-devel well have to be activated sometime so just easier to do it
[14:38] <wrst> whatever your fancy is, I always use ext4
[14:38] <wrst> but I'm not on such hardware as yours
[14:38] <Xpistos> here we go
[14:39] <wrst> Xpistos: whatever you want to install just google, arch linux xorg or arch linux lxde etc etc
[14:40] <wrst> and when/if you set up xorg I'm sure you will want to go with the vesa drivers
[14:40] <Xpistos> on this box yes
[14:41] <wrst> yeah, of course you can download the nividia, ati drivers and the opensource nividia, ati, and intel drivers but on this machine vesa well be what you want
[14:46] <Xpistos> ok
[14:46] <Xpistos> here is the part that I have problems with
[14:46] <Xpistos> Configuration
[14:47] <wrst> only thing you *have* to configure is the root password, everything else will work
[14:47] <wrst> you will have to get familiar with /etc/rc.conf to start various daemons, etc
[14:49] <Xpistos> is there a filesystem that is better for smaller amounts of ram
[14:50] <Xpistos> reiserfs
[14:50] <Xpistos> ext
[14:50] <Xpistos> btrfs?
[14:52] <wrst> I don't know Xpistos, ext has been there and done that I just usually stay with the tried and true
[14:54] <Xpistos> okay it is installing on the real box now not the vm
[14:56] <wrst> as long as the CLI doesn't bother you, you should be good to go
[15:02] <Xpistos> I am good on the vm
[15:03] <Xpistos> I got the hostname changed
[15:03] <Xpistos> got my user account added
[15:03] <Xpistos> but I don't have root access with my user
[15:03] <Xpistos> have to look that up
[15:03] <wrst> Xpistos: not following you on don't have root access with your user?
[15:04] <Xpistos> I have the root user
[15:04] <Xpistos> but I added "x"
[15:04] <Xpistos> and I need to give x admin priv
[15:04] <Xpistos> I got my eth0 configured and pining google
[15:04] <wrst> you want to log into x as root?
[15:15] <Xpistos> yes
[15:15] <Xpistos> should I add any additional repos?
[15:15] <Xpistos> unofficial?
[15:15] <Xpistos> no right?
[15:16] <wrst> no don't add them until you need them
[15:16] <wrst> keep everything as lean as possible
[15:16] <wrst> depending on what you want to do you may need the AUR
[15:17] <wrst> but whatever you do DO NOT enable testing :)
[15:17] <wrst> that is if you want a stable system :)
[15:21] <Xpistos> I tried to do pacman -Syy but it said there are no servers configured
[15:23] <wrst> Xpistos: go to /etc/pacman.d/ and edit mirrorlist be sure that you have a server uncommented
[15:24] <wrst> probably use the one you installed with
[15:24] <wrst> also ping someplace to make sure you are online
[15:25] <Xpistos> well that is wierd
[15:25] <Xpistos> I was online
[15:25] <Xpistos> okay I am
[15:26] <Xpistos> there is nothing in /etc/pacman.d
[15:26] <wrst> ok edit /etc/pacman.d/mirrorlist and make sure you have a mirror uncommented, I'm assuming you chose nano as your editor of choice?
[15:26] <Xpistos> yep
[15:26] <wrst> Xpistos: that would be a problem :)
[15:26] <wrst> hang on
[15:27] <Xpistos> /etc/pacman.conf has the repos listed in it
[15:27] <wrst> yes but not the mirrors
[15:27] <wrst> it should redirect to /etc/pacman.d/mirrorlist
[15:27] <wrst> let me get you one fixed up hang on
[15:28] <wrst> Xpistos: wget http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2959906/mirrorlist
[15:28] <wrst> and copy to /etc/pacman.d/
[15:29] <Xpistos> okay wait. mirror list is in there
[15:29] <wrst> of course you will need to be root
[15:29] <Xpistos> sorry
[15:29] <wrst> ok check and make sure that you have a mirror uncommented
[15:29] <Xpistos> I misunderstood
[15:29] <Xpistos> let me check
[15:29] <Xpistos> do I need more than one
[15:30] <wrst> nope
[15:30] <wrst> but...
[15:31] <wrst> if you uncomment one of the first two i think you will always have a good one
[15:31] <wrst> no danger in having more than one, pacman goes down the list, if it doesn't hit one it moves to the next uncommented many suggest havign 5
[15:32] <wrst> only issue is that if a mirror is slow catching up
[15:32] <wrst> but pacman generallly hadles all of that
[15:32] <Xpistos> ok synchronizing on the laptop now
[15:32] <Xpistos> may take a while
[15:41] <Xpistos> WOW, this is really nice
[15:42] <wrst> yeah it really is Xpistos
[15:42] <wrst> or I really like it anyway
[15:43] <Xpistos> I thought there was a lot more stuff to worry about  like every single package
[15:44] <wrst> nooo pacman is very simialr to apt-get it does all the work of dependencies for you
[15:44] <wrst> we aren't talking gentoo difficulty ;)
[15:44] <Xpistos> I am installing xorg now
[15:44] <Xpistos> and then if that goes I will install comix and I should be good to g
[15:45] <Xpistos> o
[15:54] <wrst> yep just be sure you install the xorg-utils and all those packages in the wiki it makes everything go a lot smoother, I'm bad to just install one thing then forget to look at the wiki for the rest :)
[16:51] <Xpistos> wrst: well i will tell you what, setting up x-org is not fun.
[16:51] <wrst> Xpistos: shouldn't be much setup to it unless you have an odd card ?
[16:52] <Xpistos> old card
[16:52] <Xpistos> xdpyinfo: unable to open display ""
[16:54] <wrst> did you install the mesa driver?
[16:55] <Xpistos> xf86-video-savage
[16:55] <wrst> vesa
[16:55] <wrst> try the vesa driver, pacman -Rd xf86-video-savage and install xf86-video-vesa you stand a better chance of it working
[16:56] <Xpistos> do i have to do anything after installing the driver?
[16:57] <wrst> i would reboot
[16:57] <Xpistos> ok
[16:57] <wrst> well yeah you need to reboot actually
[16:59] <Xpistos> interesting after the reboot I got a graphical terminal - lol
[17:00] <wrst> can you start x now?
[17:01] <Xpistos> on the laptop I got it using the savage driver
[17:01] <Xpistos> rebooting the vm now
[17:02] <Xpistos> yep
[17:02] <Xpistos> I got a clock and two terminal windows
[17:02] <wrst> oh wait you are on a vm?
[17:02] <wrst> thought this was on the laptop?
[17:02] <Xpistos> LOL - BOTH
[17:02] <Xpistos> lol
[17:02] <wrst> you running virtualbox?
[17:02] <Xpistos> The vm yes
[17:02] <Xpistos> any way. I have similar results on both
[17:03] <wrst> Xpistos: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Arch_Linux_VirtualBox_Guest
[17:03] <Xpistos> Holy crap it works
[17:04] <Xpistos> I am looking at comix (the app) in the gui right now
[17:04] <Xpistos> lol
[17:04] <wrst> there you go
[17:04] <Xpistos> I don't actually have a comic to try but I am going to install comix on the laptop and see what I got
[17:06] <wrst> are you going to run a desktop on it?
[17:06] <Xpistos> ok while the laptop does that, i am going to try and install icewm on the vm
[17:06] <Xpistos> I would like to but let's see what happens
[17:06] <wrst> what I like about arch is that it gives you totally vanilla packages on everything
[17:20] <Xpistos> holy crap I can read my books on the lapto
[17:20] <Xpistos> now if I can just figure out how to get icewm working I am golden
[17:37] <Xpistos> wllI couldn't get icewm working. It should be working but it isn't so I am going to to try xfce4
[17:59] <wrst> i have had good luck with openbox
[18:19] <Xpistos> wrst: well i got xfce working but I can't get it to run from .xinitrc
[18:20] <Xpistos> i have to "startxfce4" instead
[18:20] <wrst> Xpistos: you have xdm installed?
[18:20] <Xpistos> no
[18:20] <Xpistos> I don't want it cause I want to start the gui when I want t
[18:21] <wrst> ahh gotcha was going to suggest you add xdm to the daemons in rc.conf
[18:22] <wrst> never done what you are wanting there Xpistos
[18:23] <Xpistos> it is fine startxfce4 does that trick
[18:24] <Xpistos> maybe I will install a video player on it too and see how that works
[18:27] <Xpistos> what is a media player that is not resource intensive? VLC?
[18:27] <Xpistos> Dragon?
[18:37] <wrst> Xpistos: cyberanger is your man on that
[18:38] <wrst> but be warned he will have you watching videos using ASCII art on the terminal ;)
[18:38] <Xpistos> mplayer looked lightweight
[18:38] <Xpistos> I already saw the star wars one. lol
[18:39] <wrst> ha ha
[18:39] <wrst> i'm thinking mplayer would be as light weight as you will probably find but I don't deal with super light weight
[18:44] <cyberanger> vlc -I ncurses
[18:44] <cyberanger> (and it does launch an xwindow)
[18:47] <wrst> Xpistos: ^^^
[18:47] <wrst> cyberanger:  you are the man ;)
[18:48] <Xpistos> but you have to tell it to open a specific file yes?
[18:48] <Xpistos> vlc -l ncurses video.avi
[18:51] <Xpistos> bing
[18:51] <Xpistos> now I just need my sound to work
[18:52] <Xpistos> of course I didn't install a sound driver
[18:54] <Xpistos> and would mplayer work iwth ncurses?
[19:12] <cyberanger> Xpistos: with vlc, on the line like that, or in the interface (and it's vlc -I ncurses)
[19:12] <cyberanger> mplayer might, idk
[19:58] <Xpistos> still trying to get the sound card to work
[20:13] <wrst> older machines can be a pain Xpistos
[20:26]  * cyberanger hands out sme asprine