[00:07] Hey wrst what's going on? [00:08] not much orangeninja how are you? [00:10] fine [00:12] just been getting somethings done around the house this weekend. [00:16] same here orangeninja, and sadly the long weekend is nearly over [00:17] I know:( [00:20] i am spending the rest of my night watching some baseball and locking my server down a little [00:41] chris4585: my arch install of gnome shell just got a power off thing in the menu, heard anything about that? or I'm wondering if I installed an extension by mistake? [00:42] and I did Alternate Status Menu Extension [00:42] wrst: I have been checking out some VPN services tonight. Trying to decide if I am going to get one. [00:43] cool orangeninja [00:44] If I have a VPN, I dont need a BNC for IRC right? [00:46] orangeninja: over my head there :) [00:47] * wrst isn't much on networking [00:48] ha, me neither [00:48] orangeninja: you just wanting an always on irc ? [00:51] yes, I eventually want to have it running all the time and use Screen/droid to access whenever. BUt I also would not mind to hide my hostname on IRC networks I don't have cloak with, [00:52] ahh a vps would be really great for that [00:52] maybe an amazon ec2 or something [00:53] ill search those then. [00:55] cyberanger: has done some looking about that he would be the guy to talk to on all that fine stuff [00:56] * wrst is liking unity more and more in 11.10 beta [01:06] made it a little better? [01:08] a LOT better orangeninja I can even use this [01:09] cool [01:14] and I can run gnome shell and not some hackish halfworking ppa [04:19] * cyberanger is here, dealing with flooding today [04:43] wrst, let me look [04:44] wrst, I think one of my repos is messing up [04:50] cyberanger: Eh, that can't be fun... There was a bathroom toilet flood at the visit with family :P [06:13] Unit193: http://www.newschannel9.com/news/cleveland-1004525-army-salvation.html [06:13] I think my photo is in there [06:13] idk, busy day [06:25] Since there only seems to be one picture, it wouldn't be hard to findout if one knows you :P [06:29] Unit193: more than one article, hadn't gone through it yet [12:42] welcome aboard average_guy, cosmicpizza [12:43] good morning [12:45] morning average_guy how's the week getting started for you? [12:46] I can't complain wrst [12:46] me either average_guy [12:46] I tried xubuntu 11.10 last night [12:47] it didn't work though :( [12:48] average_guy: i've never been a real xfce fan or atleast in xubuntu it never seemed all that much lighter to me but I never really got into it either [12:49] oh, I love Xfce. I don't really think it's all that much faster but it does have less of the stuff I don't need [12:50] I like "full-featured", but I don't really care if my windows wobble and stuff like that [12:50] average_guy: I like the whole bloated thing :) [12:51] yeah I heard ya singin praises to unity [12:51] well average_guy praises, may be a little too much but its better than it was [12:51] but it was absolute total steaming pile of poo [12:52] I have a pretty old machine wrst. I have to run GNOME Ubuntu in "classic" mode [12:53] yeah gotcha have you tried lubuntu ? [12:54] Morning all [12:54] yeah, I have. That's a little TOO light for me. [12:54] ahh gotcha average_guy :) [13:55] Anybody use or has used Arch? [14:23] Xpistos: I'm your guy [14:23] and chris4585 is your guy [14:23] and read the documentation!!!! [14:23] :D [14:23] well, i have an old tecra 8100 and I an going to give it a shot [14:24] looking at the beginners guide now [14:24] basically all i need it to do right now is boot, gui and let me read some .cbr files this week end [14:24] Xpistos: its a good distro its as little or as much as you want, but there is absolutely no hand holding in anything with it [14:25] Well, I am buring the iso now [14:25] lol [14:25] i highly suggest the net install if you can [14:25] I can [14:25] gets you up to date right from the start [14:25] I can't [14:25] and the new installer actually does do *some* hand holding [14:25] lol [14:26] "...there is absolutely no hand holding..." [14:26] the new installer is similar to installing debian, but the partitioning can be a pain in the rear [14:26] as I have learned [14:26] ha ha Xpistos yeah they did make the isntaller easier, but the partitioning still stinks [14:26] I am trying to install this with 64 of ram and 12 gb hard drive [14:26] let' [14:26] let's see what it can do [14:27] it will do fine :) now I'm not for sure about the gui part [14:27] well I need some type of interface so I can read the .cbr files [14:27] since they are comic book rars [14:28] burnt [14:28] now into the computer [14:31] Xpistos: I would suggest a very base install don't select any of the options to install anything short of the base system so its just you and a root prompt on start up [14:35] nothing gets selected [14:35] I have to select anything so I am not sure about what constitutes a "base" install [14:35] just enable base and base-devel that's all you need and of course setup your root password [14:36] ok, I see it now [14:36] i usually have it to download, ssh and what not but on 64MB of RAM I would start with nothing and work my way up [14:36] should I use grub or syslinux? [14:36] grub [14:37] and select base-devel but don't install anything extra right [14:37] base & base-devel [14:37] it use grub legacy still [14:37] and I am using ext3 [14:37] or ext4 [14:37] yep that's what you need the base-devel well have to be activated sometime so just easier to do it [14:38] whatever your fancy is, I always use ext4 [14:38] but I'm not on such hardware as yours [14:38] here we go [14:39] Xpistos: whatever you want to install just google, arch linux xorg or arch linux lxde etc etc [14:40] and when/if you set up xorg I'm sure you will want to go with the vesa drivers [14:40] on this box yes [14:41] yeah, of course you can download the nividia, ati drivers and the opensource nividia, ati, and intel drivers but on this machine vesa well be what you want [14:46] ok [14:46] here is the part that I have problems with [14:46] Configuration [14:47] only thing you *have* to configure is the root password, everything else will work [14:47] you will have to get familiar with /etc/rc.conf to start various daemons, etc [14:49] is there a filesystem that is better for smaller amounts of ram [14:50] reiserfs [14:50] ext [14:50] btrfs? [14:52] I don't know Xpistos, ext has been there and done that I just usually stay with the tried and true [14:54] okay it is installing on the real box now not the vm [14:56] as long as the CLI doesn't bother you, you should be good to go [15:02] I am good on the vm [15:03] I got the hostname changed [15:03] got my user account added [15:03] but I don't have root access with my user [15:03] have to look that up [15:03] Xpistos: not following you on don't have root access with your user? [15:04] I have the root user [15:04] but I added "x" [15:04] and I need to give x admin priv [15:04] I got my eth0 configured and pining google [15:04] you want to log into x as root? [15:15] yes [15:15] should I add any additional repos? [15:15] unofficial? [15:15] no right? [15:16] no don't add them until you need them [15:16] keep everything as lean as possible [15:16] depending on what you want to do you may need the AUR [15:17] but whatever you do DO NOT enable testing :) [15:17] that is if you want a stable system :) [15:21] I tried to do pacman -Syy but it said there are no servers configured [15:23] Xpistos: go to /etc/pacman.d/ and edit mirrorlist be sure that you have a server uncommented [15:24] probably use the one you installed with [15:24] also ping someplace to make sure you are online [15:25] well that is wierd [15:25] I was online [15:25] okay I am [15:26] there is nothing in /etc/pacman.d [15:26] ok edit /etc/pacman.d/mirrorlist and make sure you have a mirror uncommented, I'm assuming you chose nano as your editor of choice? [15:26] yep [15:26] Xpistos: that would be a problem :) [15:26] hang on [15:27] /etc/pacman.conf has the repos listed in it [15:27] yes but not the mirrors [15:27] it should redirect to /etc/pacman.d/mirrorlist [15:27] let me get you one fixed up hang on [15:28] Xpistos: wget http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2959906/mirrorlist [15:28] and copy to /etc/pacman.d/ [15:29] okay wait. mirror list is in there [15:29] of course you will need to be root [15:29] sorry [15:29] ok check and make sure that you have a mirror uncommented [15:29] I misunderstood [15:29] let me check [15:29] do I need more than one [15:30] nope [15:30] but... [15:31] if you uncomment one of the first two i think you will always have a good one [15:31] no danger in having more than one, pacman goes down the list, if it doesn't hit one it moves to the next uncommented many suggest havign 5 [15:32] only issue is that if a mirror is slow catching up [15:32] but pacman generallly hadles all of that [15:32] ok synchronizing on the laptop now [15:32] may take a while [15:41] WOW, this is really nice [15:42] yeah it really is Xpistos [15:42] or I really like it anyway [15:43] I thought there was a lot more stuff to worry about like every single package [15:44] nooo pacman is very simialr to apt-get it does all the work of dependencies for you [15:44] we aren't talking gentoo difficulty ;) [15:44] I am installing xorg now [15:44] and then if that goes I will install comix and I should be good to g [15:45] o [15:54] yep just be sure you install the xorg-utils and all those packages in the wiki it makes everything go a lot smoother, I'm bad to just install one thing then forget to look at the wiki for the rest :) [16:51] wrst: well i will tell you what, setting up x-org is not fun. [16:51] Xpistos: shouldn't be much setup to it unless you have an odd card ? [16:52] old card [16:52] xdpyinfo: unable to open display "" [16:54] did you install the mesa driver? [16:55] xf86-video-savage [16:55] vesa [16:55] try the vesa driver, pacman -Rd xf86-video-savage and install xf86-video-vesa you stand a better chance of it working [16:56] do i have to do anything after installing the driver? [16:57] i would reboot [16:57] ok [16:57] well yeah you need to reboot actually [16:59] interesting after the reboot I got a graphical terminal - lol [17:00] can you start x now? [17:01] on the laptop I got it using the savage driver [17:01] rebooting the vm now [17:02] yep [17:02] I got a clock and two terminal windows [17:02] oh wait you are on a vm? [17:02] thought this was on the laptop? [17:02] LOL - BOTH [17:02] lol [17:02] you running virtualbox? [17:02] The vm yes [17:02] any way. I have similar results on both [17:03] Xpistos: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Arch_Linux_VirtualBox_Guest [17:03] Holy crap it works [17:04] I am looking at comix (the app) in the gui right now [17:04] lol [17:04] there you go [17:04] I don't actually have a comic to try but I am going to install comix on the laptop and see what I got [17:06] are you going to run a desktop on it? [17:06] ok while the laptop does that, i am going to try and install icewm on the vm [17:06] I would like to but let's see what happens [17:06] what I like about arch is that it gives you totally vanilla packages on everything [17:20] holy crap I can read my books on the lapto [17:20] now if I can just figure out how to get icewm working I am golden [17:37] wllI couldn't get icewm working. It should be working but it isn't so I am going to to try xfce4 [17:59] i have had good luck with openbox [18:19] wrst: well i got xfce working but I can't get it to run from .xinitrc [18:20] i have to "startxfce4" instead [18:20] Xpistos: you have xdm installed? [18:20] no [18:20] I don't want it cause I want to start the gui when I want t [18:21] ahh gotcha was going to suggest you add xdm to the daemons in rc.conf [18:22] never done what you are wanting there Xpistos [18:23] it is fine startxfce4 does that trick [18:24] maybe I will install a video player on it too and see how that works [18:27] what is a media player that is not resource intensive? VLC? [18:27] Dragon? [18:37] Xpistos: cyberanger is your man on that [18:38] but be warned he will have you watching videos using ASCII art on the terminal ;) [18:38] mplayer looked lightweight [18:38] I already saw the star wars one. lol [18:39] ha ha [18:39] i'm thinking mplayer would be as light weight as you will probably find but I don't deal with super light weight [18:44] vlc -I ncurses [18:44] (and it does launch an xwindow) [18:47] Xpistos: ^^^ [18:47] cyberanger: you are the man ;) [18:48] but you have to tell it to open a specific file yes? [18:48] vlc -l ncurses video.avi [18:51] bing [18:51] now I just need my sound to work [18:52] of course I didn't install a sound driver [18:54] and would mplayer work iwth ncurses? [19:12] Xpistos: with vlc, on the line like that, or in the interface (and it's vlc -I ncurses) [19:12] mplayer might, idk [19:58] still trying to get the sound card to work [20:13] older machines can be a pain Xpistos [20:26] * cyberanger hands out sme asprine