[03:23] hah, wow [08:05] morning!! === rodrigo__ is now known as rodrigo_ [08:38] Good morning everyone! [09:36] mandel, did you have the phone?! i've just read the twit! :D [09:54] gatox, yeah [09:55] mandel, awesome!! :D [09:55] gatox, although I'm sorry to tell you that by father was like WTF and opened it? sorry :( [09:55] my brother says is really cool :P [09:55] mandel, jeje it's no problem!! i told you that you could use it if you want! [09:57] gatox, yeah, but I always think that the actual owner should be the one doing the unboxing [09:58] mandel, no problem! i'm just happy that i'm going to have an awesome camera with a phone attached to take pictures at the pycon! :D [10:00] hahaha [10:49] blajk, ping [10:49] gatox, pong [10:50] blajk, hi, how are you? [10:50] gatox, I'm good thanks! You? [10:50] blajk, good! i was wondering if you could help with some styling for a screen in control panel? [10:51] blajk, it's not looking very well [10:51] blajk, let me send you the screenshot in pm [10:52] gatox, sure [10:55] Hola! [11:17] What limits does UbuntuOne have in free users? [11:17] hello everyone! [11:17] nessita, hi [11:18] hakermania, 5gb [11:19] gatox, :/ dropbox has 10, so I'll stick to it... [11:20] hakermania, 10?? it says 2: http://www.dropbox.com/pricing [11:20] gatox: any reviews you need from me? [11:20] nessita, jeje like a lot [11:21] gatox: shoot like 3 :-D [11:21] nessita, jejeok [11:21] nessita, https://code.launchpad.net/~diegosarmentero/ubuntuone-windows-installer/reset-password-page/+merge/73523 [11:21] nessita, https://code.launchpad.net/~diegosarmentero/ubuntuone-windows-installer/wizard-sizes/+merge/73804 [11:21] nessita, really trivial: https://code.launchpad.net/~diegosarmentero/ubuntuone-windows-installer/help-button-removed/+merge/73834 [11:22] gatox, Oh you misunderstood me, no storage limits, bandwidth limits. Dropbox lets download 10GB/day [11:22] hakermania, ahhhhh [11:22] nessita, ^ [11:22] gatox: currently there is a limit per published public file, but no global limit [11:23] hakermania: ^ [11:23] pfibiger, what does this really mean? I need to have 2 very small files (bytesized) but they will be downloaded many times by many different ips [11:24] hakermania: i don't remember what the limit is per file, i believe it's 1gb. so if you had two files, each one would be allowed 1gb of xfer per day, so 2gb total. [11:25] i'll check on that number. [11:25] pfibiger, I can wait, thanks, but if it's like this, I think I'll stick on Dropbox because while U1 lets 5 GB I need only ~56 bytes but goof download limits :D [11:27] good^ [11:30] ralsina: ping [11:41] gatox: can I ask a review from you? :-) https://code.launchpad.net/~nataliabidart/ubuntuone-control-panel/share-backend/+merge/73862 [11:48] nessita, on it [11:54] gatox: what should I see in the reset password branch? I'm running the installer with the latest SSO, and I get this: [11:54] nessita, what? [11:54] gatox: visually, what does that branch adds to the UI? [11:55] nessita, when you click on "forgot password", you will see the same popup besides the line edits as in Setup Account [11:56] gatox: I\'m not getting any popup... you sure is a popup? [11:56] nessita, +1 to your branch [11:56] gatox: let me share a screenshot [11:56] nessita, well, not a popup... the ballon that appears in setup account...... let me give you an screenshot [11:56] ah, yes [11:56] gatox: I'm not getting that either, let me show you [11:57] nessita, ok [12:19] nessita: pong [12:21] hi ralsina [12:22] hello nessita [12:26] hi nessita, ralsina \o [12:27] aloha [12:27] anyone running oneiric and thunderbird in here ? [12:27] hi karni! [12:28] Hello, World! [12:28] LoL [12:29] keep seeing when I laucnh tb the following message [12:29] There was a problem opening the address book "Ubuntu One" - the message returned was: Cannot open book: Cannot process, book backend is opening [12:30] ralsina: can I have reviews for a trivialisimo branch? https://code.launchpad.net/~nataliabidart/ubuntu-sso-client/pylint-lucid/+merge/74203 [12:30] nessita: porsupus [12:31] nessita: marked as approved globally since it's just a lint fix [12:31] thanks [12:31] nessita: did you see my mail? [12:31] ralsina: yes, I have your reviews in my queue [12:31] nessita: ok, thanks [12:32] anyone? should I log a bug about it, or is it known already ? [12:34] czajkowski: let me ask the one who knows [12:34] rodrigo_: ping [12:35] nessita: thanks as everytime I now open a folder that annoying message is in my face [12:39] gatox: your wizard-sizes branch: [12:39] M ubuntuone_installer/gui/qt/tests/test_side_widget.py [12:39] Text conflict in ubuntuone_installer/gui/qt/gui.py [12:39] nessita, pong [12:40] rodrigo_: hi there, do you, by any chance, know why czajkowski is getting a error message for Ubuntu One address book in O? [12:40] czajkowski: you sure is thunderbird, no evolution? [12:41] There was a problem opening the address book "Ubuntu One" - the message returned was: Cannot open book: Cannot process, book backend is opening [12:41] nessita: I only use Thunderbird [12:41] nessita, not sure about the error, but desktopcouch hasn't worked for me at all in all the oneiric cycle [12:42] czajkowski, about thunderbird, talk to chrisccoulson in #ubuntu-desktop [12:42] rodrigo_: aye I also get desktop couch erros but not today so far,, [12:42] rodrigo_: thanks will go talk to Chrisccoulson now [12:43] czajkowski, you're welcome :) [12:43] thanks rodrigo_! [12:44] nessita, rodrigo_, czajkowski, thunderbird in oneiric uses EDS [12:44] and EDS has evolution-couchdb plugin which connects to desktopcouch [12:45] seemingly I uninstall something, very simple [12:45] god I feel daft at times [12:45] nessita, ohhhhhh i check today that doesn't have any conflict! [12:45] * gatox fixing.... [12:47] gatox: and I have a lint issue in help-button-removed [12:48] gatox: but that branch seems to work OK :-) [12:50] ralsina: this branch is 'work in progress', is it ready for review? https://code.launchpad.net/~ralsina/ubuntuone-windows-installer/fix_800363/+merge/74141 [12:51] nessita: oops, yes it is [12:53] ralsina: so, what shall I check in the UI for that branch? [12:54] nessita: after you login, the next page should now have a "skip tour, go to dashboard" button and a "start setup" button. If you click on "start setup", the following page should have a "next" button and no "skip tour" [12:54] right [12:54] checking [12:57] hmm [13:00] standup? [13:01] me! [13:01] me [13:02] meh [13:02] me [13:02] and welcome back dobey! [13:03] alecu, ping [13:04] DONE: bug #834766, reviews, holiday! [13:04] TODO: bug #807021, reviews, university [13:04] BLOCKED: nopes [13:04] NEXT: gatox [13:04] DONE: [13:04] Bug #841911, Bug #841863, Bug #839844, Bug #834983, Bug #831310, Bug #841915. [13:04] TODO: [13:04] Improving some UIs in Control Panel [13:04] BLOCKED: [13:04] No [13:04] dobey, go [13:04] λ DONE: holidays [13:04] λ TODO: fix bugs [13:04] λ BLCK: None. [13:04] ralsina [13:04] 5/9/11 [13:04] ------ [13:04] DONE: [13:04] * Release (friday) [13:04] * Fixed bug in sso's setup.py that broke sourcedeps for servers [13:04] * Fixed bug 839906 (wrong icons in taskbar) [13:04] * Did a dirty workaround for bug 839877 (bad credentials for new accounts) [13:04] * Proposed branch for the notification area icon [+1 alecu] [13:04] * Proposed branch for "login successful" page (bug #800363) [13:04] * Bug triaging [13:04] * Some reviews [13:04] TODO: [13:04] * Try to merge everything [13:04] * Reviews [13:04] * Make a build [13:04] * See where I can help and do it [13:04] * Mgmt call [13:05] BLOCKED: no [13:05] * nessita adds to the TODO: do UDS administrative stuff (register, etc) [13:05] alecu still not around, so ... comments? [13:05] Oh, crap! I have to do the UDS stuff today! [13:05] nop [13:06] nessita, this branch should fix reset password: https://code.launchpad.net/~diegosarmentero/ubuntu-sso-client/reset-password/+merge/74211 [13:06] something weird was happening [13:06] no comments [13:06] nessita, please let me know if that branch along with the installer branch works [13:08] EOM then [13:08] mandel is on holiday again? damn :P [13:08] dobey: it's what happens when you don't take them for a while. They pile up. [13:09] hello! [13:09] DONE: branch with fixes on server for problems with delayed hashing branch [13:09] TODO: discuss validity of the fixes, and adding more tests for this in the server with facundo. [13:09] BLOCKED: need to go to the bank and to the taxes office, wish me luck === m_conley_away is now known as m_conley [13:10] yeah, i got 4 more to use up it seems [13:10] dobey: remember to save for the shutdown [13:10] yes, that's why i said 4 and not 8 :) [13:11] we have to use 5 this year :-( [13:12] nessita, branches fixed [13:13] ralsina: we == .ar? [13:13] dobey: yeah [13:13] dobey: we don't have a holiday the 26th [13:14] alecu, hi [13:14] ralsina: do you get Jan 2? [13:14] nope [13:14] ralsina: oh, so you need 6 days then? [13:15] is the 2nd still shutdown? [13:15] 2nd is new year holiday in US and I think UK too. so pretty sure it is. but ask hr i guess [13:15] or reply to that thread ;) [13:16] I don't mind, I have N fresh days at that point ;-) [13:19] dobey, ralsina: 2 is not shutdown, fyi === zyga is now known as zyga-food [13:21] nessita: well, probably more than half the company have it as national holiday [13:22] dobey: right, nevertheless is not shutdown :-) [13:22] nessita: you asked hr? :) [13:22] dobey: I saw the shutdown calendar [13:24] ah [13:24] well i wouldn't worry about next year's shutdown anyway. the WHOLE WORLD is shutting down. ;) === zyga-food is now known as zyga [13:36] alecu, gatox: can I get a second review of https://code.launchpad.net/~ralsina/ubuntuone-windows-installer/fix_800363/+merge/74141 [13:36] ralsina, on it [13:37] gatox: thanks! [13:42] ralsina, +1 to your branch [13:45] gatox: gracias! [13:46] ralsina, nessita i have a really trivial branch for control panel when you have a minute (it fixes some minor details in the ui): https://code.launchpad.net/~diegosarmentero/ubuntuone-control-panel/prettify/+merge/74219 [13:47] gatox: what does it fix? [13:47] * ralsina suggests before/after screenshots [13:48] ralsina, improve sign in ui, group box title style, preferences alignment, add bold version of ubuntu font [13:48] ralsina, ok...... taking screenshots [13:49] gatox: sorry to make you work, but I am on a conference call, and looking at pics is about as much as I can focus :-) [13:50] dobey, if you need me, I'm back :) [13:50] mandel: go away you're on holiday [13:50] ralsina, jeje no problem! [13:50] dobey, oh, but I though you needed me ;) [13:51] mandel: i always need you, baby. but i think i can survive the week with only your twits bitching about jsonrpc :) [13:51] mandel: that's what he said! [13:51] hehehe [13:52] dobey, I'm palying around with jsonrpc and twisted? I should get something nice by the end of the holidays, but if you have an urgency let me know [13:52] I know you are easy to please?. ;) [13:52] ralsina, good one :) [13:52] so, any news on a working desktopcouch for oneiric? it's been completely broken for the whole cycle [13:53] rodrigo_, I dont know there is anyone looking at it at all [13:54] rodrigo_: i saw jderose was doing some debugging on it, but don't know if he found anything definite. seems that new couchdb/erlang aren't playing well [13:54] rodrigo_, technically speaking: ni dios lo ha mirado.. [13:54] mandel: i am pretty sure i will *never* need anything involving jsonrpc/twisted :) [13:54] mandel, yes, seems so :( [13:55] so, if noone is looking at it, can we assume we don't support contacts syncing anymore? [13:55] rodrigo_: well i don't have the time/knowledge for it, and i am basically lone ranger for us on ubuntu this cycle :-/ [13:56] dobey, only you working on desktop-side things? [13:56] dobey, I want to stop using twisted.pb on the windows ipc? and I hope you do not need to look at it :) [13:57] rodrigo_: pretty much, yes [13:57] mandel: i want to stop using twisted ;) [13:57] dobey, ok [13:57] I think we should disable all contacts stuff then, it's completely broken [13:58] rodrigo_: what do you mean by "disable" exactly? [13:58] ralsina: ping [13:59] dobey, I don't know exactly, but maybe make evo-couchdb transitional package that does nothing at all [13:59] nessita: pong [13:59] or disable the desktopcouch parts [13:59] ralsina: I'm getting a weird thing with the installer, if I have credentials, I get an error popup when starting the installer [13:59] nessita: about not being able to start Ubuntu One? [13:59] also, the u1-control-panel has some mention to contacts, doesn't it? [13:59] ralsina: yes [13:59] rodrigo_: i think you're underestimating the severity of the problem :( [14:00] rodrigo_: contacts isn't the only thing affected [14:00] nessita: that's expected behaviour. It's trying to start control panel, and that doesn't work when it's not "installed" [14:00] ah [14:00] ralsina: ok, cleaning my credentials then [14:00] dobey, what else are we syncing via dc? [14:00] nessita: if you put it in the PATH it should work though [14:00] rodrigo_: there's also bindwood; and all the "third-party" apps that use desktopcouch for storing things, like lernid [14:00] rodrigo_: the problem isn't the syncing, the problem is local access [14:01] rodrigo_: the reports seem to indicate that desktopcouch works fine, so long as you don't use oauth to access it locally. ie, futon still works. [14:01] ralsina: right. Question: how can I confirm ubuntu one was added to the startup? [14:02] rodrigo_: which seems to tell me that the problem is in couchdb itself, and not desktopcouch [14:02] ralsina: I don't see it under Startup app when running msconfig [14:02] nessita: you can restart the session :-) [14:02] nessita: or maybe I am doing that wrong :-/ [14:02] dobey, yeah, system-wide couchdb works fine for me, it's just the oauth auth [14:02] ralsina: but shouldn't be listed under startup programs? [14:02] rodrigo_: jderose should be on-line in a few more hours, i'll see if he's found anything [14:03] dobey, ok, thanks [14:03] nessita: I am not really sure [14:03] ralsina: can you please confirm? [14:03] what [14:03] ralsina: because I'm not sure if worked here [14:03] oops, sorry, wrong channel [14:04] nessita: hmmmm.... skip that branch until I do more testing [14:04] ralsina: ack [14:04] nessita: since anyway I probably need to add u1cp there too [14:05] btw, who broke the u1cp tests on oneiric? :( [14:06] ralsina: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/79127566/buildlog_ubuntu-oneiric-i386.ubuntuone-control-panel_1.1.2%2Br212-33~oneiric1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz <- dirty reactor errors :( [14:06] dobey: and I talked to pitti about that [14:07] dobey: seems like the glib twisted reactor uses static gobject bindings, which conflicts with dynamic ones [14:07] dobey: loaded from the code :-/ [14:07] right :( [14:08] dobey: I filed a bug [14:08] bug #842614 [14:08] dobey: I was planning on skipping those tests, so maverick and oneiric build properly [14:08] meh, where is our bug bot? [14:08] dobey: irene took it away [14:08] dobey: btw, is you tarmac running? [14:09] the stuff i was running on lucid is back up, yes [14:09] dobey: not sure what that means... [14:10] dobey: is your tarmac running only for lucid stuff? [14:11] nessita: some older client branches, and some server bits are merged on lucid, because they have to work on lucid. [14:11] dobey: ah, ok [14:12] nessita: btw, the maverick issue is a different one, so i'd rather not group them together. i think we need a bug against twisted in oneiric for the bindings issue, if there isn't one already [14:13] dobey: ok, could you please clean that up? [14:13] dobey: I will make the test skips, if you want [14:13] no, don't skip the tests [14:15] dobey: no? [14:15] nope. we need to fix twisted [14:16] nessita: skipping the tests won't help since the real program will just fail anyway [14:17] ralsina, Chipaca: you let us know when you finish the management call, so we mumble? [14:18] nessita: I am done, but Chipaca is sprinting [14:18] So let's mumble [14:18] ok! [14:19] oh right, i forgot about that sprint [14:19] gatox, mumble? [14:20] alecu: you can mumble (or still otp/bank) [14:20] ralsina, ok [14:20] ? [14:20] nessita, otp [14:33] ralsina: https://code.launchpad.net/~dobey/ubuntuone-control-panel/no-gb-val/+merge/74228 <- can you do quick review of that? it seems the best solution to this problem. :) [14:36] dobey: looking [14:55] ralsina, i've added the screenshots: https://code.launchpad.net/~diegosarmentero/ubuntuone-control-panel/prettify/+merge/74219 [14:55] gatox: looking! [14:56] gatox: I get "Could not locate object" [14:56] ralsina, yep....... the files weren't public..... updating the message :P [14:56] he [14:57] dobey, agreed about the NGB thing. Since we are not going to put "get several GB", I think this makes sense [14:58] yay [14:58] one bug down, 5243534 more to go [15:01] ralsina, now you have the correct links [15:01] https://code.launchpad.net/~diegosarmentero/ubuntuone-control-panel/prettify/+merge/74219 [15:01] ralsina, ^ [15:01] gatox: looking again [15:03] gatox: not all that happy with the signin one, but all of them are much improved [15:04] ralsina, andrew has give me a design for that page a minutes ago [15:04] gatox: and it's not this one, right? [15:04] ralsina, i'll applied the changes, but it is basically something really similar to that [15:04] ok, +1 it is [15:05] ralsina: did you request a review from nessita on my branch too? [15:06] dobey: nope [15:06] nessita: did you request you review my branch? [15:06] dobey: I did, yes [15:07] dobey: why not changing the 2GB to 5GB? [15:07] ok [15:07] nessita: because then if we offer 10GB or something in the future instead, we have to go back and change all the versions [15:07] dobey: or maybe just 'Free storage'? [15:07] and it is a pain to do that [15:07] dobey: yes, I agree [15:08] dobey: can you please run by Roberta this change? [15:08] dobey: if shee agrees with removing the whole subtext, I'll approve [15:09] nessita: does the qt panel have "5gb free!" or anything like that in it? [15:09] dobey: we have no such 'overview' screen [15:09] so, no [15:09] so what does it display if user doesn't have an account? [15:10] dobey: the installer-wizard will be there [15:10] offering to either login or register [15:10] that is windows [15:10] dobey: if the user happens to "manually" search for the control panel exe, he gets a login screen [15:10] dobey: same for linux [15:11] so it just opens SSO, and the user is all like "WTF IS THIS ALL ABOUT?" :) [15:11] :-/ [15:12] dobey: no, we show a "native" login screen [15:12] native in QT, I mean [15:13] eh? i mean, the user has no idea what they're actually signing in to or up for, they just get a login screen? [15:16] dobey: they get a QT screen to login with minimal Ubuntu One legends in it [15:17] :-/ [15:21] ok, well, need to get some lunch. bbiab [15:27] me too. see you later === ralsina is now known as ralsina_lunch [15:30] brb! [15:52] dobey: I approved your branch by mistake :-/ Anyways, I don't disagree with the fix, I just wanted roberta or cristian to sign off the change. Can you please make sure to talk about this with them tomorrow? === beuno is now known as beuno-lunch === gatox is now known as gatox_lunch [16:37] nessita: i pinged earlier, but no response [16:37] dobey: I know, that's why I said "tomorrow" :-) === m_conley is now known as m_conley_away === beuno-lunch is now known as beuno === gatox_lunch is now known as gatox [17:08] nessita: why did you mark bug #835093 as affecting upstream ubuntuone-control-panel (and assign to you)? [17:09] dobey: because setup.py has the same typo [17:10] ah, ok. [17:12] although, for some reason, seeing you do that has given me an idea; though i'm not sure how to follow through with it [17:19] dobey: I gotta tun to the uni now, but please share that idea with me tomorrow [17:19] * nessita -> teaching duties [17:19] ralsina, cna you review this branches?? already has nessita approvals: https://code.launchpad.net/~diegosarmentero/ubuntuone-windows-installer/reset-password-page/+merge/73523 and https://code.launchpad.net/~diegosarmentero/ubuntu-sso-client/reset-password/+merge/74211 [17:20] gatox: did you got my email re: windows tag? [17:20] gatox, on them! [17:21] nessita, i've just saw it.... fixing.... [17:21] ok [17:21] cheers nessita [17:21] bye all! [17:21] gatox: all the stuff you are deleting in https://code.launchpad.net/~diegosarmentero/ubuntuone-windows-installer/reset-password-page/+merge/73523 is because you moved it to sso, right? [17:21] ralsina, also this one has nessita approval: https://code.launchpad.net/~diegosarmentero/ubuntuone-control-panel/avoid-shrink-buttons [17:22] ralsina, yes.... both branches are related [17:22] ralsina, some stuff is already in sso trunk [17:22] gatox: that last one is merged already [17:22] ralsina, oh right..... [17:30] gatox +1 on both [17:30] ralsina, awesome === gatox_ is now known as gatox === yofel_ is now known as yofel === m_conley_away is now known as m_conley [18:11] holas! [18:12] hola alecu [18:13] how's it going dobey? how did your house survive irene? [18:15] yeah, house is pretty much ok. [18:16] dobey, cool. How was your vacations, besides that? [18:17] not great [18:17] I would have guess you were in some Caribbean beach, sipping margaritas. [18:17] oh, sorry to hear that :-( [18:18] but at least i got *some* work done on the 'new' engine for one of my cars [18:18] no. no beach and margaritas [18:18] dobey, where did you go? [18:19] * alecu has been daydreaming of a beach with no ports around. And no windows. [18:19] alecu, you need at least a port, otherwise getting things to land is a pain in the ass :P [18:19] toma juego de palabras malo malo [18:19] mandel, skydiving! [18:19] :P [18:19] mandel: to visit family [18:20] dobey, where is that? [18:20] where i dread going :) [18:21] haha [18:21] Alecu, gatox: I am going to take a few hours off and work late tonight for the release. Will check every now and then, so please ask for reviews/whatever [18:21] ralsina, cool. Did you know if nessita started with the double errdict issue? [18:21] mandel: seriously. i couldn't stand being there. i had to come home a day early [18:21] alecu: I don't think she did [18:22] ralsina, cool, thanks [18:22] dobey, well, you would not be the first one to have that problem, I can just stand my family a few days.. after that I grab the chainsaw hehe [18:22] alecu: best case is removing it from thelambda and everything works at once :-) [18:22] dobey, nextime you can consider coming to spain if you want :) [18:22] ralsina, okkk [18:22] mandel: i can't stand them for that long :P [18:23] dobey, hehehe well, I'm younger and drink a lot :) [18:24] mandel: so who will you support during the RWC ? [18:24] dobey, but seriously, next time let me know and you are more than welcome to where ever I am (which is hard to know) [18:25] czajkowski, I'm between Argentina and Ireland, if those to screw up, any northen one [18:25] and certainly not NZ [18:26] mandel: are you moving to .ar btw? or are you moving to madrid? [18:27] dobey, madrid :) [18:27] dobey, but I might need to kill my mother hahaha [18:27] gatox, ralsina: I totally forgot about this smallish branch: https://code.launchpad.net/~alecu/ubuntuone-client/make-it-stop/+merge/74279 [18:27] when you have a minute, please review it. [18:28] mandel: heh [18:29] alecu, on it [18:29] * gatox waiting for launchpad to scan it [18:29] cool, thanks! [18:30] mandel: good call, we just need to beat USA! and AU [18:30] czajkowski, USA is easy.. AU is a diff story.. the problem is the bloody timetable.. I feel bad if I drink that early [18:31] I will probably go out til early in the morning to have an excuse [18:31] yeah lotta 7am starts! [18:31] good thing I've no job so can get up early [18:31] rodrigo_: still around? [18:39] dobey, I'd be surprise if he is, is like 8:30 pm here... [18:40] mandel: maybe he's bored and it's raining where he is, and he wants to kill time before dinner. i don't know. he's on irc, so i am pinging :) [18:41] dobey, :) [18:43] alecu, your branch is not being updated..... :S i'll let you know as soon as i can review it [18:44] gatox, great, thanks. [19:20] alecu, +1 to your branch! :D [19:21] gatox, cool [19:22] well...... EOD for me!! [19:22] see you tomorrow [21:10] alecu: ping [21:14] have a good evening all [21:28] ralsina, pong [21:28] alecu: ay progress in the exception_to_errdict problem? [21:30] ralsina, I've started, not clear progress yet. === m_conley is now known as m_conley_away [21:30] alecu: ack [21:51] mandel, ping [21:51] mandel, we may share room on pycon, no prob. [21:52] mandel, in fact, I'm planning on staying on Junin on Sun and Monday, because there's a SugarLabs/OLPC sprint after the pycon.