[01:03] <Stanley00> Morning! I'm using oneiric, and I'd like thunder can minimize to systray or some kind of that. any suggestion?
[01:13] <urlin2u> Stanley00, I  installed gconf-editor although deprecated, it will put the buttons back on the windows if you want.
[01:14] <Stanley00> urlin2u: can you be more specs, which keys should I change?
[01:15] <urlin2u> in gonf editor-desktop-shell is a place to add the minimizw ans maximize buttons.
[01:16] <Stanley00> urlin2u: thanks, I will look at it now
[01:17] <urlin2u> http://www.khattam.info/howto-add-minimize-maximizerestore-buttons-in-gnome-3-2011-05-26.html
[01:17] <urlin2u> this helps
[01:18] <Stanley00> urlin2u: or, sorry, maybe you misunderstood,..
[01:18] <Stanley00> urlin2u:  I'd like thunder bird can minimize to systray or some kind of that. sorry, mistyping...
[01:18] <urlin2u> I was not sure but having a minimize button on the window seemed a conmpromize.
[01:22] <Stanley00> urlin2u: I tried looking for an add-on but there isn't for thunder bird 7.0...
[01:23] <urlin2u> never seen one as you describe, myself
[01:24] <micahg> Stanley00: there used to be such an addon, but it's unmaintained
[01:25] <Stanley00> micahg: hmm, I think it's a very helpful add-on, can you tell me where I can find it?
[01:26] <micahg> Stanley00: it won't work with thunderbird 7
[01:26] <Stanley00> micahg: hmm, what's a pity!
[02:34] <SirFunk> hey, since evolution is no longer default, is there going to be another calendar program included in oneiric?
[02:54] <Stanley00> SirFunk: how about reminderFox add-on in thunderbird?
[03:10] <SirFunk> Stanley00: that's really not a replacement for evolution
[03:16] <jbicha> SirFunk: just install Evolution then, it still integrates with the messaging menu
[03:28] <SirFunk> jbicha: heh, well i never liked/used evolution... I was just hoping that in removing evolution (with calendar) there was some planned alternative that was better than evolution
[03:36] <jbicha> SirFunk: it's hoped that Ubuntu 12.04 will have some sort of calendar built-in, perhaps Lightning
[03:47] <SirFunk> jbicha: nice. Lightning isn't bad.. perhaps integration is what i'm missing in it.. looking forward to that
[03:53] <DanaG> say, what do I need to do to get a Novatel wwan card ( Bus 003 Device 003: ID 1410:8000 Novatel Wireless
[03:53] <DanaG>  ) to work?
[03:53] <DanaG> That is, to at let me try dialing with networkmanager, OR to at the very least give me GPS.
[04:33] <DanaG> Hmm, so, I can connect to the WWAN network, but I can't get to anywhere.
[04:33] <DanaG> Any traffic trying to go anywhere results in ICMP "Network Unreachable" from a host that's neither the gateway nor the DNS server nor anything else obvious.
[04:35] <cwillu_at_work> DanaG, dumb question, but it's not localhost?
[04:40] <bullgard4_> [GNOME 3] Since yesterday's upgrade my "Super" key is unfunctional when resuming from suspend state or or using LibreOffice for a while. What package should I report this error against? I do not obtain any error message.
[04:42] <bullgard4_> I need to restart the computer in order that the Super key re-appears.
[04:42] <cwillu_at_work> bullgard4_, logging out and in doesn't restore it?
[04:44] <snadge> does the oneiric installer kernel support xen pvops?
[04:44] <snadge> or is the recommended way to install it, still to use debootstrap
[04:45] <snadge> i have downloaded the alternate install iso, assuming there was a kernel and initrd i could boot with xen
[04:45] <DanaG> cwillu_at_work: nope.  the ICMP sender is 172.x; the network is 10.x; the gateway is 68.x.
[04:45] <DanaG> 68 is public; the others are private.
[04:46] <cwillu_at_work> DanaG, your ip is?
[04:46] <DanaG> 10.117.22.234.
[04:47] <cwillu_at_work> could be a misconfigured dhcp server
[04:47] <DanaG> It's a Sprint 3G card yanked from a Kindle.
[04:47] <DanaG> So, it may very well be blocked.
[04:47] <cwillu_at_work> heh
[04:47] <DanaG> But the IP configuration seems weird.
[04:47] <cwillu_at_work> I didn't know there was a usable piece of equipment you could nab out of one of those
[04:47] <DanaG> 68.28.50.91/92 are the gateways.
[04:47] <cwillu_at_work> I must resist the urge to take mine apart :p
[04:47] <DanaG> http://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Amazon-Kindle-2-Teardown/624/2
[04:48] <DanaG> er
[04:48] <DanaG> http://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Amazon-Kindle-2-Teardown/624/
[04:48] <DanaG> that's page 1.
[04:48] <bullgard4_> cwillu_at_work: '~sudo service lightdm restart' in a virtual console sometimes restores GNOME 3 and sometimes not.
[04:48] <DanaG> Shows up as Bus 003 Device 003: ID 1410:8000 Novatel Wireless
[04:48] <DanaG> Oh yeah, lightdm seems to die, and leave behind an X server.
[04:48] <DanaG> So I can't restart lightdm.
[04:48] <cwillu_at_work> ah, I've got a kindle3
[04:48] <DanaG> And logging in gives me blank.
[04:49] <DanaG> I should probably try the card in the Kindle itself.
[04:51] <snadge> nobody uses xen anymore? :p
[04:52] <cwillu_at_work> snadge, I let my vps provider deal with that stuff
[04:52] <snadge> your vps provider still has to try and install oneiric eventually ;)
[04:52] <bullgard4_> cwillu_at_work: Please tell me what program package should I report this error against in Launchpad?
[04:53] <cwillu_at_work> snadge, hardly
[04:53] <DanaG> Okay, so it works fine in the Kindle itself.
[04:53] <cwillu_at_work> bullgard4_, singularity-music
[04:54] <cwillu_at_work> bullgard4_, more seriously, I don't really know, although if you pick off xorg-input or something, it's not a big deal;  it'll get reassigned as necessary
[04:58] <bullgard4_> cwillu_at_work: hm.
[05:00] <snadge> ahh ok http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/oneiric/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/xen/
[05:00] <snadge> handy to know that exists ;)
[05:01] <DanaG> argh, stupid gnome 3... has only two brightness levels.
[05:01] <DanaG> High, and low.
[05:01] <cwillu_at_work> DanaG, I predict revolt within a year
[05:02] <DanaG> I see... Amazon uses a proxy.
[05:03] <DanaG> Cool.  Maybe then I'll be able to use the card.
[05:03] <DanaG> anyway, off to get ready for bed.
[05:13] <bullgard4_> [GNOME 3] Yesterday there was a huge update of ~180 MB via UpdateManager. Why does this update not reflect in Synaptic's history?
[05:14] <urlin2u> big one today as well.
[05:15] <urlin2u> twice
[05:17] <Onlyodin> really?
[05:17] <Onlyodin> damn proxy must be screwing me over
[05:17] <Onlyodin> All I have is gnome-control-center which has a broken dependency
[05:24] <bullgard4_> cwillu_at_work: A revolt against what?
[05:24] <cwillu_at_work> gnome3
[05:24] <cwillu_at_work> gnome-shell in particular
[05:24] <bullgard4_> Ah!
[05:25] <bullgard4_> cwillu_at_work: I cannot confirm your prediction. I hav been using GNOME 3 since Oneiric Alpha 2 and had no major problems until yesterday.
[05:25] <bullgard4_> +e
[05:26] <snadge> 3.1.90 has just been pushed out yeah?
[05:27] <snadge> it broke fedora too
[05:29] <bullgard4_> snadge: What package do you speak about specifically?
[05:29] <snadge> gdm possibly gnome-shell
[05:31] <snadge> oneiric installs beautifully in xen, using the latest nightly.. you have to manually load the xen net driver for it to detect network, otherwise fine
[05:31] <bullgard4_> snadge: Current gnome-shell version is 3.1.4-0ubuntu2.
[05:31] <snadge> fedora is a bit more psycho then.. they are also using kernel 3.1.0 rc4
[05:32] <micahg> fedora releases a month and a half after us this cycle
[05:33] <snadge> ironically i started messing around with f16 to see what the latest gnome 3 shell was like
[05:34] <snadge> just getting to a point where i could use it was difficult enough.. but, that was my first experience with gnome 3 and i liked it
[05:34] <snadge> being able to choose between that, and unity, in a more stable environment does sound preferable though
[06:42] <zniavre> good morning
[06:42] <zniavre> there is a worrie with desktop icon no ?
[06:44] <zniavre> http://i.imgur.com/5xOXU.png      it looks too small im thinking
[07:41] <bullgard4_> LibreOffice 3.4 crashes when performing the task suggested in http://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6924 and writes: "A report of the crash was created to help us to identify the reason why LibreOffice crashed. Click 'Next' to get to the Error Reporting Tool. When clicking 'next' this old window disappears and no new window appears. How to proceed?
[07:43] <bullgard4_> zniavre: The "Desktop" icon is a bit small in my GNOME 3 too.
[08:20] <Saviq> hi all, after resuming from suspend, ubuntu managed to completely turn off (or break, as the symptoms are the same) my backlight
[08:21] <Saviq> any ideas what I might try and poke to get it back?
[08:22] <Saviq> I tried booting to windows, upgrading the BIOS, resetting it to the defaults, nothing :/
[08:22] <Saviq> it's a Dell laptop, btw
[08:25] <urlin2u> Saviq, kind of drastic responses to try and get a OS in development to suspend, has earlier releases supended?
[08:26] <urlin2u> have*
[08:26] <Saviq> urlin2u: no earlier releases were installed on it, tbh, but it suspended fine multiple times
[08:27] <urlin2u> Saviq, are you a new open source user?
[08:27] <Saviq> no, actually the opposite, and that's why I have the dev version running
[08:28] <urlin2u> Saviq, cool I figured not, well I had some problems that a fresh install fixed, the beta1 has I forget what exactly stuff turned on that were off in the alpha stages.
[08:29] <urlin2u> you can save the installed apps to a file and reload them to a fresh install that is what I did.
[08:33] <Saviq> yeah anyway... that's what I have the next day service for
[08:33] <Saviq> new screen incoming
[08:34] <Adys> Anyone got ELF header smaller than expected on boot?
[08:37] <chand> Hi
[08:38] <chand> Will totem stay default video player in oneiric ?
[08:39] <popey> chand: yes
[08:39] <jtaylor> yes
[08:40] <chand> we dont see totem 3.1.x package
[08:41] <chand> any idea why ?
[08:41] <popey> chand: its 3.0.1
[08:43] <chand> popey, yes but all other gnome 3.1.X have been uploaded to follow gnome 3.2 development
[08:43] <popey> i see debian has totem 3.0.1 also
[11:38] <HoellP> Hello, i need a hint against which packages i should report a bug
[11:39] <HoellP> the problem is between empathy and the messaging menu...
[11:39] <HoellP> can anyone tell me on which side of the two the connection is made, so i can select the correct package to report against?
[11:42] <IdleOne> !info telepathy-indicator
[11:42] <IdleOne> not sure if that is what you need
[11:42] <HoellP> me neither actually
[11:43] <HoellP> the problem is, if i set empathy to auto start at boot, it shows up, but the status switcher in the messaging menu is deactivated (greyed out)
[11:43] <HoellP> i have to close empathy, and start again for it to work
[11:43] <IdleOne> HoellP: file against empathy and it should get triaged to the right package if that isn't it.
[11:43] <HoellP> this only happens if i start it via startup applications
[11:43] <HoellP> alright, will do that
[12:23] <gnomefreak> are these safe to remove? console-terminus gnome-icon-theme-extras ntfsprogs
[12:24] <gnomefreak> well dont care about the icons
[12:25] <gnomefreak> libx264-116 is the problem. not sure if they should be removed due to impementing them into the libx264-116 instead of depends on them
[12:25] <HoellP> console-terminus is not a package, it's part of console-setup which is marked important
[12:25] <HoellP> i wouldn't do that...
[12:27] <gnomefreak> gnomefreak@Development:~$ show console-terminus
[12:27] <gnomefreak> Package: console-terminus
[12:28] <HoellP> apt-cache show console-terminus
[12:28] <HoellP> N: Can't select versions from package 'console-terminus' as it is purely virtual
[12:29] <gnomefreak> console-terminus is already the newest version.  :(
[12:29] <HoellP> and aptitude show says that "console-terminus" is provided by package "console-setup"
[12:29] <gnomefreak> yes it does
[12:30] <HoellP> i don't understand what you mean then...
[12:30] <HoellP> but nevertheless, you should NOT remove console-setup afaik
[12:32] <robin0800> after latest updates network manager won't connect to mobile broadband gnomeppp works however is there a bug report?
[12:33] <HoellP> robin0800: search launchpad yourself will probably be faster, then get someone here to search for your
[12:37] <bullgard4_> [GNOME 3] '~$ LANG=C sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree; E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages." Is the only solution to wait for the future?
[12:38] <HoellP> try sudo apt-get install -f
[12:38] <HoellP> and then sudo dpkg configure -a
[12:42] <bullgard4_> HoellP: This -f switch ends in 'E: Package 'nspluginviewer' has no installation candidate'.'
[12:42] <HoellP> i also don't have that package available
[12:43] <HoellP> but there is nspluginwrapper available, maybe there is some transition going on
[12:43] <HoellP> you have a 64bit system?
[12:43] <knightstalker> I have some problems with Window Theme in Gnome shell...,any ideas?
[12:43] <bullgard4_> HoellP: But have you managed to install flashplugin-nonfree?
[12:43] <bullgard4_> Yes, 64-bit system.
[12:43] <HoellP> i use the native 64bit plug in
[12:44] <HoellP> available from ppa:sevenmachines/flash
[12:44] <HoellP> that is : and s
[12:44] <HoellP> damn smilies
[12:44] <HoellP> the package is called flashplugin64-installer
[12:44] <bullgard4_> Ah! I thought I better wait until I do not have to rely on PPAs.
[12:45] <HoellP> i'm unsure if version 11 will be ready for oneiric release. but it doesn't matter much because all flash installers only d/l the plug in from adeobe servers anyway
[12:45] <HoellP> it has RC1 state now and works pretty well here, definitely better than the 32bit plug in with wrapper
[12:46] <bullgard4_> HoellP: That's what others told me too.
[12:46] <BluesKaj> G'Day all
[12:46] <HoellP> and a good day to you sir
[12:47] <bullgard4_> HoellP: I am in no hurry and can wait until the end of October, 2011. Then I will reconsider the matter. --  Thank you for commenting.
[12:48] <HoellP> you're welcome
[12:51] <BluesKaj> hi HoellP
[12:53]  * BluesKaj begins to wonder whether the plasma desktop is the prob here, ...looks much like Kwin but I'm not sure
[12:56] <HoellP> Hmm, i'm running out of bugs to report...
[12:56]  * HoellP searches deeper
[12:58] <HoellP> got another one :D
[13:01] <dchua> Hi. I'm testing beta1 and would like to look at the source code for a specific package. What deb-src URL do I use (in my /etc/apt/sources.list) for this? Thanks.
[13:01] <HoellP> depends on the package...
[13:01] <HoellP> specifically, in which repo the package lives
[13:02] <dchua> OK. It's the command-not-found-0.2.43ubuntu1 package.
[13:02] <dchua> Sorry if this is newbie question ...
[13:02] <HoellP> no worries, everyone starts sometime...
[13:03] <HoellP> i'm pretty sure that package is in main
[13:04] <HoellP> so, the easiest way, is to start software-properties and activate source repos in the first tab
[13:04] <dchua> OK. I see. Sorry, I confused myself ... I've got the TGZ by means of apt-get source.
[13:05] <HoellP> that's the default way
[13:05] <HoellP> didn't you get the source?
[13:05] <dchua> I'm testing chinese input in beta1 and found that command-not-found is throwing a Unicode exception.
[13:05] <dchua> I wanted to grab the python source code to find the root cause. Maybe even the fix.
[13:05] <Pici> apt-get source does get the source....
[13:06] <HoellP> and it does for me...
[13:06] <HoellP> look for the folder in the dir where you ran the command
[13:06] <Pici> I'm confused.
[13:08] <rohdef> how come postgres 9.1 start on a random port each time?
[13:08] <rohdef> I've set it to port 5432 in /etc/postgres/9.1/main/postgres.conf
[13:08] <rohdef> and netstat don't show any apps using that port
[13:09] <mongy> google gravity wa fun for 7 seconds
[13:11] <HoellP> mongy: +1 ;)
[13:14] <basso> updates today?
[13:16] <HoellP> wow, empathy's irc implementation is totally broken...
[13:19] <gnomie> certainly not designed with irc in mind. then again none said it was an irc client really; i use irssi! :D
[13:20] <HoellP> i know, but i use irc so seldom nowadays, that configuring irssi for it is kinda wasted time
[13:20] <gnomie> it works for light irc'ing [read: one channel open] heh
[13:20] <HoellP> there are other capable clients as well, but i'd really like all messaging be done in one program
[13:21] <HoellP> sadly, not even that...
[13:21] <HoellP> at least if you don't want a fullscreen window
[13:21] <HoellP> because writing over the border of the text input box just resizes the whole window...
[13:22] <HoellP> there is a bug report, which says it's fixed in oneiric, which is clearly not the case
[13:22] <gnomie> it was unbearable to have 3 channels open, while sending commands to nickerv .. managing of channels is not empathy's forte
[13:22] <HoellP> that's another problem...
[13:22] <HoellP> maybe switch to pidgin, that works pretty well for light irc usage
[13:23] <gnomie> not only that, but authenticating to network was clumsy to say the least
[13:25] <HoellP> clumsy is very nicely said...
[13:26] <BluesKaj> is quassel default in gnome ?
[13:26] <HoellP> quassel is default in kubuntu
[13:27] <HoellP> and is a KDE/Qt program
[13:27] <BluesKaj> yes , but what the default irc client in gnome ..i've forgotten
[13:27] <HoellP> Ubuntu has no default IRC app, only empathy which does rudimentary IRC
[13:27] <coz_> BluesKaj,  empathy last I looked as default  if that does irc
[13:27] <BluesKaj> yeah qt , but some are used there
[13:27] <coz_> BluesKaj,  but generally I have to install an irc client in gnome
[13:27] <HoellP> xchat is the way to go, but you need to install it
[13:28] <gnomie> if empathy = irc , i rather say there is no default irc software under unity
[13:28] <gnomie> :-P
[13:28] <coz_> yeah not sure about empahty at all for irc
[13:28] <coz_> BluesKaj,  I always install xchat  in gnome
[13:29] <HoellP> coz_: i'm here with empathy
[13:29] <BluesKaj> konversation is still my default, not default on kde anymore but it is mine :)
[13:29] <HoellP> you can connect and send messages
[13:29] <coz_> HoellP,  ah ok cool
[13:29] <HoellP> that's about it
[13:29] <HoellP> but there is this bug, which makes the window get bigger when the text gets too long for the input box
[13:29] <HoellP> but only when the user list is shown
[13:29] <HoellP> very weird...
[13:30] <gnomie> i say it's more a design flaw than a bug
[13:30] <HoellP> not really
[13:30] <HoellP> it's only in irc windows, so i consider it a bug
[13:30] <gnomie> clearly coming from a client designed for i.m. instead
[13:31] <HoellP> there is also a report on launchpad and gnome's bugtracker
[13:31] <gnomie> flaw
[13:31] <HoellP> but also when IMing, the window has to respect the size i give it
[13:32] <HoellP> it's just not ok to grow bigger than the screen
[13:32] <HoellP> during our conversation, this window has grown at least 5 cm horizontally
[13:32] <HoellP> if that is not a bug, i don't know what is
[13:33] <HoellP> brb, got to check another possible bug...
[13:33] <HoellP> got another empathy bug...
[13:33] <HoellP> damn this program is buggy...
[13:34] <gnomie> at least the ui is easy on the eyes, i give you that
[13:34] <gnomie> heh
[13:35] <HoellP> That's why i like it for IM, it does what i need it to do, is well integrated and out of the way
[13:36] <HoellP> is there a common package for all the indicators i can report a bug against?
[13:36] <HoellP> or should i report against unity?
[13:37] <gnomie> i got some screen artifacts at one point while having a channel open fullscreen [empathy] , have you seen anything like that yet?
[13:37] <HoellP> Nope, no artifacts... But i use a FullHD 22" screen, so i don't use fullscreen at all...
[13:46] <|HoellP> re
[13:46] <|HoellP> omg, i can hardly keep up with reporting all the bugs i run into today...
[13:53] <|HoellP> anyone here can tell me, what the preferred way is to re-open a bug that's been closed as fix released?
[13:54] <|HoellP> is setting back to confirmed the way to do it?
[13:54] <sburwood1> Just tried the beta 1 of Ocelot in VirtualBox.  Didn't see much in the way of visible changes.  Unity a little different.  Will much change from beta1?
[13:54] <|HoellP> sburwood1, nothing greatly visible
[13:54] <IdleOne> sburwood1: probably not too much
[13:54] <|HoellP> now is the time for fixing bugs and polish
[13:54] <IdleOne> what you see is what you get and hopefully works
[13:56] <sburwood1> IdleOne: Well, what I saw so far was probems with a format during boot - boot completed, so a minor problem.  What has really changed aside from kernel numbers and versions of different programs like Firefox?
[13:56] <IdleOne> check the technical overview linked in topic
[13:59] <sburwood1> IdleOne: Thx.  Didn't understand much.  Will look into the rc or the final version to see what matters to me
[13:59] <sburwood1> bye
[14:02] <|HoellP> ok, i'm sending my 4th empthy bug in a row
[14:02] <|HoellP> i'm wondering if this really is wort keeping as a default app...
[14:20] <HoellP> it's getting worse and worse
[14:21] <HoellP> i'm actually finding bugs, in functions i need to report other bugs...
[14:25] <GTRsdk> HoellP: did you run a dist-upgrade?
[14:25] <HoellP> No
[14:25] <GTRsdk> good
[14:25] <HoellP> Fresh install a day before beta
[14:26] <GTRsdk> HoellP: have you been updating/upgrading?
[14:26] <HoellP> sure
[14:26] <HoellP> i do that a few times a day at  this state
[14:27] <jtaylor> sometimes dist-upgrades are necessary
[14:27] <HoellP> i'd do it more often, if just the google repos weren't so damn f*** slow
[14:28] <HoellP> jtaylor, i know, i've used every dev version since 5.10
[14:29] <GTRsdk> since 9.10 for me
[14:29] <GTRsdk> HoellP: have you seen the recent bug where a computer with about 1 GB of RAM could not report it?
[14:30] <HoellP> no
[14:30] <HoellP> but i have 8GB myself, so i'm unlikely to run into that problem
[14:30] <GTRsdk> okay
[14:34] <HoellP> it's kinda stressfull if packages you report bugs against get updated while you write the report...
[14:34] <knightstalker> Chances of the bug still existing is not low
[14:35] <HoellP> Sadly it does
[14:35] <HoellP> i already commented on the report, with the new info...
[14:37] <HoellP> maybe now someone can answer my question from before
[14:37] <HoellP> how can i correctly reopen a bug that has been marked as "fix released"
[14:37] <HoellP> if the bug is not fixed in current dev version
[14:37] <knightstalker> Can you provide a Launchpad URL?
[14:38] <HoellP> one mom, i have to look for it
[14:39] <HoellP> https://bugs.launchpad.net/gtk/+bug/433651
[14:40] <HoellP> oh no
[14:40] <HoellP> just tried to check with the new version, and found another bug
[14:41] <HoellP> this really has no end today
[14:43] <knightstalker> HoellP,anyways,I am not sure how to reopen a Fix Released bug,but if the problem was fixed and now its back,open a new bug with regression mark
[14:44] <HoellP> i would rather not do that, one report per bug seems more sensible to me
[14:45] <gnomie> comment on it again..
[14:45] <HoellP> that's what i did
[14:45]  * gnomie shrugs
[14:46] <HoellP> now i hope it's enough that it gets noticed...
[14:46] <gnomie> someone will be notified, then again, it might need more input than just yours
[14:46] <HoellP> i wanted to check for another bug i found before, and found a new one...
[14:46] <knightstalker> Btw,anyone tried to use Chrome's Proxy settings on Ubuntu 11.10?
[14:47] <gnomie> *to be reopened, that is
[14:48] <HoellP> gnomie, i wasn't going to do it to that report anyway, it's to big for me to mess with it
[14:48] <HoellP> it was more a question of principle
[14:48] <knightstalker> It doesn't work correctly over here,I do not know why the changed its interface in Ubuntu 11.10 at all...
[14:49] <knightstalker> and I am using the same chrome package anyway(installed using dpkg)
[14:49] <knightstalker> they*
[14:52] <HoellP> sry, can't help, i'm using neither chrome, nor proxies...
[14:52] <gnomie> HoellP: i think it sensical that if the bug still remains you should file a new report. conversely, you could contact its assignee
[14:53] <HoellP> I will leave it at the comment for now, if the problem persists and there is no change in the report, i will consider other steps...
[14:54] <HoellP> Waiting is mandatory anyways because of all the timezones involved...
[14:54] <knightstalker> Yeah,takes at least 24 hours for even new filed bugs to get noticed
[15:00] <HoellP> *rofl*
[15:00] <HoellP> it happened again...
[15:00] <HoellP> i report a bug, and get a crash report concerning the reporting of bugs
[15:00] <HoellP> this is sooo awesome ;)
[15:01] <gnomie> file one against !apport ..
[15:01] <gnomie> also, it IS YOUR day today
[15:01] <HoellP> i will just send in the crash report
[15:01] <gnomie> :D
[15:02] <HoellP> i know, i'm the lucky one today
[15:02] <knightstalker> lol
[15:02] <HoellP> it was kinda boring anyways the last days
[15:02] <HoellP> i wish i had a cookie for every bug report ;)
[15:03] <knightstalker> My cheese crashes,and I missed the first bug report,I can reproduce the crash,however,Apport doesn't tell me about filing the bug
[15:03] <knightstalker> what can be wrong?
[15:04] <HoellP> the reports are stored in /var/crash
[15:04] <knightstalker> I missed the first report(it was 14 mb),because of my internet
[15:04] <HoellP> you can either attach to a manually reported bug, or retrace it with apport somehow
[15:05] <HoellP> phew, the compiz bug is already known...
[15:05] <knightstalker> oh noes!
[15:05] <knightstalker> :p
[15:05] <HoellP> btw, cheese is kind of a mess too atm
[15:06] <HoellP> already made a report or two against it today
[15:09] <knightstalker> also ubuntu-bug cheese,says that cheese will open and I can reproduce the bug,however,cheese never opens
[15:10] <HoellP> for me it opened gst-launch with the webcam pic
[15:10] <HoellP> but somewhere in the background
[15:10] <knightstalker> so it did its job?!
[15:10] <knightstalker> weird
[15:10] <HoellP> switch through all open windows
[15:11] <HoellP> maybe it is hidden somewhere
[15:11] <HoellP> it was for me, and i had to close this window to finish the report
[15:11] <knightstalker> HoellP,it automatically goes to next page for me
[15:11] <HoellP> hmm
[15:11] <knightstalker> and in the end gives me an error about crash report not existant
[15:12] <HoellP> hm?
[15:12] <HoellP> that's kinda weird
[15:12] <HoellP> i'd just report the bug manually on launchpad and attach the old report from /var/crash
[15:12] <knightstalker> Cannot connect to crash database, please check your Internet connection.
[15:12] <knightstalker> [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '.cache/CheeseDebug.txt'
[15:12] <HoellP> or try to run ubuntu-bug cheese again
[15:13] <knightstalker> Erm,I done that multiple times,I am going to manually insert crash report =)
[15:13] <HoellP> seems the best way...
[15:13] <HoellP> as i said before, i also found at least 2 apport crashs today
[15:13] <gnomie> i believe apport has gotten better though
[15:13] <HoellP> it has
[15:14] <HoellP> it actually works really well most of the time
[15:14] <HoellP> and it saves so much typing with all the info it provides
[15:14]  * gnomie nods
[15:14] <Saviq> hmm any idea how to enable onboard in the new greeter?
[15:15] <HoellP> onboard what?
[15:17] <HoellP> hmm
[15:17] <Saviq> onboard the onscreen keyboard
[15:18] <HoellP> nope, sry
[15:18] <HoellP> nice!
[15:19] <HoellP> i'm submiting a crash that happend while submitting a crash that happened while i submitted a crash
[15:19] <HoellP> but now it stopped :D
[15:24] <Saviq> ok, looks like it's there, just not packaged yet http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~robert-ancell/unity-greeter/trunk/revision/134
[15:25] <Jcook_5xData> where are the user config file kept for unity? If I log into unity all I see is the wallpaper the menu bar nor panel load up my guess this config file is corrupt
[15:25] <unimatrix9> hello every one
[15:27] <HoellP> hello
[15:27] <unimatrix9> i tried to file a bug report on ubuntu software centre , but the launchpad say's it does not understand the data
[15:27] <HoellP> Jcook_5xData, have you tried a new user to confirm it's in the user config?
[15:27] <unimatrix9> send
[15:28] <Jcook_5xData> HoellP, nope, the guest account should confirm that yes!
[15:28] <unimatrix9> its software centre gtk that crashed, i cannot file an bug report . can some one else do it ?
[15:29] <unimatrix9> its the latest version ( just updated it )
[15:30] <unimatrix9> hmm, i lost the bug report .. some how..
[15:30] <unimatrix9> is there an way to retrace it on bash ?
[15:30] <HoellP> unimatrix9, crash reports get stored in /var/crash
[15:30] <unimatrix9> okey tanks
[15:30] <HoellP> have alook there...
[15:30] <HoellP> Jcook_5xData, so it does work in the guest account?
[15:31] <Jcook_5xData> HoellP, one sec let me check have to log out
[15:31] <HoellP> kk, was unsure what you meant before
[15:33] <HoellP> 11 reports today, my new personal best ;)
[15:33] <knightstalker> :o,I have 14 reports in total
[15:33] <knightstalker> You are good :P
[15:33] <HoellP> I've never found so many new ones before either
[15:34] <HoellP> i guess this is my lucky cycle
[15:34] <knightstalker> :p
[15:35] <Jcook_5xData> HoellP, yes it does work in Guest. I think it grabbing some of the Gnome3 setting which is causing the problems
[15:35] <HoellP> that's unlikely... because unity uses compiz, shell uses mutter...
[15:36] <HoellP> i'd just wipe .config/compiz-1 .cache/compizconfig-1 .cache/unity and .compiz-1
[15:37] <HoellP> or move them away if you feel uncomfortable
[15:37] <Jcook_5xData> HoellP, I do see a .compiz-1 folder is that where it holds it configs?
[15:37] <Jcook_5xData> cool will do
[15:37] <HoellP> you can also try "unity --reset"
[15:37] <HoellP> but that never did help much for me
[15:38] <Jcook_5xData> HoellP, yea try that error on me something about a string
[15:38] <HoellP> just go through your configs in your home and remove everything concerning unity and compiz
[15:38] <unimatrix9> okey thanks i will bug report later .. <
[15:38] <unimatrix9> see you , God bless
[15:38] <unimatrix9> :)
[15:38]  * HoellP waves
[15:39] <Jcook_5xData> should be clean let me give it a shot
[15:43] <Jcook_5xData> HoellP, Sweet that did work thanks
[15:43] <HoellP> you're welcome
[15:44] <Jcook_5xData> now if I can figure out how to remove the menu bar across the second screen
[15:45] <HoellP> anyone else has the U1 config 2x in the system prefs?
[15:46] <HoellP> Jcook_5xData, which gpu do you use?
[15:47] <HoellP> i'm reporting my last bug for today, getting dizzy...
[15:55] <knightstalker> I think I just reproduced https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/yelp/+bug/719427
[15:55] <knightstalker> In that report,it says we should try to reproduce it,and I did
[15:55] <knightstalker> how to merge my bug with that?
[15:55] <knightstalker> Btw,I didn't reproduce using Firefox4 but with Help application
[15:57] <HoellP> how did you reproduce it?
[15:58] <HoellP> anything special you did?
[15:58] <HoellP> yelp seems to work fine here on first glance
[15:58] <knightstalker> "Was testing Help Application in 11.10,Sadly,Browsing it and clicking on a link on Unity help page caused this.
[15:58] <knightstalker> I found out that bug #719427 can be a duplicate of this bug,but caused using Firefox,but that bug is marked as incomplete,and filer was asked to reproduce it in 11.10,so here it is,
[15:58] <knightstalker> Please feel free to merge this bug with the original one if its required,I don't know how to do it"
[15:58] <knightstalker> I am going to file it now
[15:58] <knightstalker> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/yelp/+bug/844023
[16:04] <BluesKaj> I'll ask here too : I need to generate a PGP key for launchpad , there are tutorials on the web for ubuntu , but there's no equivalent path/application in Kubuntu ...any ideas ?
[16:04] <HoellP> if the tutorial is for the terminal you can use it for kubuntu as well
[16:05] <HoellP> everything non-gui is the same in both systems
[16:06] <BluesKaj> HoellP, yeah but keeps talking about gpg rather tha pgp ..is one  public and the other private ?
[16:06] <HoellP> no
[16:06] <HoellP> one is opensource the other closed afaik
[16:06] <HoellP> basically you use gpg on every *buntu system
[16:08] <HoellP> gpg is also just shorter for gnupg
[16:30] <Jcook_5xData> HoellP, sorry lunch | nvidia 8400GS 512mb
[16:31] <HoellP> no problem...
[16:31] <HoellP> i tried to have a look at it, but the amd cc crashes when i want to spread the desktop over the second monitor...
[16:36] <Jcook_5xData> HoellP, not a big deal I am sure someone will come out a tweak tool. I thought AMD were working on there linux when they bought ATI or do thing it a problem with XOrg version number
[16:38] <HoellP> the drivers work bearable, except video playback and gaming work much better on Nvidia
[16:38] <HoellP> but multi-monitoring is just broken right now
[16:40] <blonto> hi all, i have a problem running unity 3d in oneric, and i'm not sure what the problem is
[16:40] <blonto> but when i run "compit --replace" it does not start start unity-window-decorator
[16:41] <blonto> everything works fine however when running unity2d or unity3d with the guest account
[16:41] <blonto> any ideas?
[16:44] <jbicha> blonto: it's compiz, not compit, and you should just be able to run "unity", unity doesn't even need the normal --replace
[16:59] <HoellP> grml, the second time one of my reports is a duplicate of a private bug...
[16:59] <HoellP> how would i know about such a thing, if i can't access it?
[17:00] <HoellP> i could've reported another issue instead, so i just wasted time and space
[17:10] <VincentvandenBer> good evening
[17:21] <billybigrigger> howdy
[17:21] <h00k> Hi friends.
[17:31] <gnomie> i want that ubuntu/dash button from 3d into unity-2d  >:(
[17:32] <gnomie> unity-2d got the anemic one
[17:33] <HoellP> bugreport as wishlist?
[17:33] <HoellP> but that's actually the only thing to seperate the 2 right now...
[17:33] <gnomie> >:(>:(
[17:33] <HoellP> i was really having trouble to find out which i was using when i first started oneiric
[17:33] <gnomie> it's very easy to spot really
[17:34] <gnomie> just open the dash.. the highliting of icons is a dead givaway
[17:34] <HoellP> but basically i agree, i find the 3d button beautiful...
[17:35] <HoellP> not really that easy if you just boot up and don't know which you are in and cannot switch to check the other
[17:35] <gnomie> i just want the button
[17:35] <HoellP> because it falls back to 2d if 3d can't load
[17:35] <gnomie> i can tell without problems which one am using..
[17:35]  * gnomie shrugs
[17:35] <HoellP> after a week i could too, probably
[17:36] <mb55> hi
[17:36] <HoellP> but now i know my gpu driver works
[17:36] <HoellP> which i didn't after installation
[17:36] <HoellP> and then i did not know the difference
[17:36] <mb55> can someone suggest an alternative to padevchooser in oneiric?
[17:36] <HoellP> mb55, there is not really any afaik
[17:36] <HoellP> what's wrong with it?
[17:37] <HoellP> ah
[17:37] <mb55> HoellP: the padevchooser package seams to have been removed from oneiric
[17:37] <HoellP> i think i know ;)
[17:40] <HoellP> you can use pavucontrol for most of the settings i guess
[17:40] <HoellP> at least it's worth a try if it meets your needs
[17:41] <TheSimkin> i use links2 a lot for browsing from the cli
[17:41] <TheSimkin> is there an equivilant browser that's installed on ubuntu by default?
[17:42] <mb55> it really doesn't, i need a tool to easily switch pulse servers
[17:42] <HoellP> ok, that's something different...
[17:42] <jbicha> TheSimkin: w3m
[17:43] <HoellP> not in default install jbicha
[17:43] <HoellP> neither are links nor elinks or lynx...
[17:43] <HoellP> couldn't think of more atm
[17:44] <TheSimkin> what a pain
[17:44] <TheSimkin> i wonder why links isn't included, it is so tiny
[17:45] <jbicha> a cli browser isn't something that the avg user wants, but I installed something that pulls w3m in
[17:45] <TheSimkin> jbicha: not something the average user wants... until they can't get to their gui.
[17:45] <HoellP> TheSimkin, probably, because you would only use it with internet connection, and it's easy to install it then
[17:46] <TheSimkin> HoellP: except it's not because it's part of "universe"
[17:46] <HoellP> so?
[17:46] <jbicha> universe is enabled by default
[17:46] <TheSimkin> so then you need to use cli to enable universe and then apt-get update and then atp-get install links
[17:47] <HoellP> TheSimkin, no you don't
[17:47] <TheSimkin> i just did
[17:47] <TheSimkin> with 11.04
[17:47] <HoellP> as jbicha said, it's enabled
[17:47] <HoellP> which installation?
[17:47] <TheSimkin> live cd
[17:47] <HoellP> ?
[17:47] <TheSimkin> x86
[17:47] <TheSimkin> and universe was not enabled.
[17:47] <jbicha> I believe live cd is different...
[17:48] <HoellP> that's never happened me
[17:48] <TheSimkin> all, so universe is not enabled on live cd
[17:48] <TheSimkin> but if i install it it would.
[17:48] <HoellP> and i installed countless times with desktop, alternate, server, netinstall, etc...
[17:48] <TheSimkin> maybe i should just make a custom install to a usb stick
[17:48] <HoellP> TheSimkin, that could be the case...
[17:48] <TheSimkin> if i install to a usb stick using the default install method.. will it just work ?
[17:48] <urlin2u> yes
[17:49] <HoellP> yes, but probably slowly
[17:49] <TheSimkin> what file system should i use?
[17:49] <HoellP> direct access to usb sticks is very slow for most sticks
[17:49] <urlin2u> TheSimkin, you would use the something else option though.
[17:49] <HoellP> the livesystem gets loaded into ram and is very usable because of it
[17:49] <TheSimkin> is there a way to get the live system + customize it ?
[17:50] <HoellP> TheSimkin, do you have a persistent image on the stick?
[17:50] <TheSimkin> i don't have it on a stick yet.
[17:50] <HoellP> then you can just install it/activate the repo and it keeps
[17:50] <BluesKaj> heh, the desktop is hidden underneath the plasma panel now ...yeah new KDE 4.7.1 really fixed the desktop alright :)
[17:50] <TheSimkin> nice
[17:50] <TheSimkin> BluesKaj: i miss 3.5.10 dearly
[17:50] <HoellP> TheSimkin, the only thing you can't do, is kernel updates afaik
[17:51] <HoellP> at least it used to be
[17:51] <TheSimkin> thank HoellP
[17:51] <HoellP> TheSimkin, i have a system installed on an external HDD, that works pretty great
[17:51] <TheSimkin> i'll try that out in the next few days
[17:51] <HoellP> even with encrypted home
[17:51] <BluesKaj> TheSimkin, I miss 4.4 , atleast it worked ok , even in dev
[17:51] <TheSimkin> BluesKaj: eh
[17:51] <TheSimkin> BluesKaj: i think 4.7.x is better than 4.4
[17:52] <TheSimkin> now they are talking about kde 5.
[17:52] <BluesKaj> well, TheSimkin , maybe on yours , but not here
[17:52] <TheSimkin> all these new desktops use so much memory
[17:52] <HoellP> i found KDE better with every release
[17:52] <HoellP> and i'm very much looking forward to KDE5
[17:53] <TheSimkin> I tried englightenment, it didn't seem very enlightened.
[17:53] <HoellP> mb55, i found pavucontrol, it was removed becaus it is not maintained for the last 3 years
[17:54] <HoellP> mb55, won't come back any time soon, it seems
[17:54] <mb55> damn
[17:54] <BluesKaj> HoellP, i would have agreed with you until last Fri.. the desktop wallpaper does show up at all now ..who knows where it will b e after reboot agian
[17:54] <HoellP> on oneiric?
[17:54] <BluesKaj> yes
[17:54] <HoellP> i haven't tried it there
[17:54] <BluesKaj> does not
[17:55] <BluesKaj> ssry
[17:55] <BluesKaj> bb
[17:55] <TheSimkin> hey guys, i hae a rather "advanced" question.
[17:55] <HoellP> i only have kubuntu natty installed
[17:55] <nperry> Hmm, seem to have lost Ubuntu Beta Mono font :s
[17:55] <TheSimkin> because of the way ubuntu binds everything to the 'partition/drive id' i can't clone machines by just "rsynching" them any more.
[17:55] <HoellP> which works very unspectacular
[17:55] <TheSimkin> is there a tool i can run to update all of the disk ids?
[17:56] <TheSimkin> or to install using the partition names/paths (/dev/sda1)
[17:56] <HoellP> TheSimkin, you do install with the path
[17:56] <TheSimkin> HoellP: not really, if i clone a ubuntu machine in this fashion it says it can't find the boot drives
[17:56] <TheSimkin> and never works.
[17:56] <TheSimkin> i tried changing grub
[17:56] <TheSimkin> but there where other failures...
[17:56] <HoellP> TheSimkin, after the cloning i would update /etc/fstab by hand
[17:56] <HoellP> that's all it needs afaik
[17:57] <TheSimkin> hmm
[17:57] <TheSimkin> so grub and fstab
[17:57] <TheSimkin> i think i changed those and still had problems, but i will try again.
[17:57] <HoellP> grub has it's own handling of the disks
[17:57] <HoellP> but then again, i never cloned anything, i just did some repartitioning
[17:57] <HoellP> and had to correct the uuids afterwards
[17:58] <HoellP> which was no problem at all
[17:58] <HoellP> if you have a live-system, that is
[17:59] <HoellP> hmm
[17:59] <HoellP> can anyone give paprefs a quick check?
[17:59] <HoellP> everything is deactivated for me...
[18:00] <BluesKaj> well, now at least the wallpaper covers 70% or so of the scrn ...must be thankful for small mercies :)
[18:00] <TheSimkin> BluesKaj: using kde?  can't you set it to scale + crop?
[18:00] <BluesKaj> no effect TheSimkin
[18:01] <TheSimkin> BluesKaj: how odd
[18:01] <TheSimkin> BluesKaj: can you send me a screen shot?
[18:01] <vince>  Hi guys ? Is anyone testing 11.10 at the moment ? I'm having trouble with gnome-shell. Whenever I try to open a gnome-shell session (as opposed to Unity Ubuntu), I get the same error message over and over again: failed to load sessions 'gnome'. I'm stuck at the Lightdm screen :/
[18:03] <TheSimkin> vince: what happens if you select the failsafe option?
[18:04] <vince> TheSimkin, How do I do that ?
[18:04] <TheSimkin> i'd hvae to logout to check.. and i can't right now :(
[18:04] <TheSimkin> but i beleive it is one of the boot up menu options. at least for me.
[18:05] <vince> I'll try on a virtual machine
[18:05] <vince> :)
[18:05] <urlin2u> failsafe is in the firts gui of the recovery
[18:05] <vince> ouch
[18:05] <urlin2u> first*
[18:05] <vince> which key should I press ?
[18:05] <vince> to get the recovery menu ?
[18:06] <HoellP> mb55, have you seen http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1765526
[18:06] <HoellP> mb55, maybe that helps
[18:11] <BluesKaj> HoellP, http://wstaw.org/m/2011/09/07/snapshot18.png
[18:12] <HoellP> wow, what chaos ;)
[18:12] <HoellP> have you tried with other wallpapers and other settings?
[18:14] <billybigrigger> BluesKaj, THAT is kde these days???? :O
[18:14] <billybigrigger> :P
[18:14] <urlin2u> vince, recovery is in the grub menu.
[18:14] <billybigrigger> sexaaaay!
[18:14] <HoellP> that's kde win-style ;)
[18:14] <BluesKaj> HoellP, several times each day ...but you know what they say about ppl who keep doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result  :)
[18:14] <HoellP> i usually have my kde in gnome style...
[18:14] <HoellP> or even unity style
[18:15] <HoellP> BluesKaj, :D
[18:15] <billybigrigger> that dock isn't stock for kde is it?
[18:15] <HoellP> that's no dock
[18:15] <HoellP> that's just the standard panel
[18:15] <BluesKaj> not a gnome fan ..but I'm definitely considering it now
[18:15] <billybigrigger> really, that's really new
[18:15] <billybigrigger> they didnt have that in 4.5 last time i tried it
[18:15] <HoellP> billybigrigger, that is just a panel with shortcuts
[18:16] <BluesKaj> the panel's been around sindce plasma was intro'd
[18:16] <HoellP> exactly as it has been since 4.0
[18:16] <BluesKaj> yup
[18:16] <billybigrigger> ya but the panel in 4.5 was ugly, and it stretched across your whole monitor
[18:16] <HoellP> only if set to do so
[18:16] <qzio> is there some trick to get sound in skype. (64bit 11.10) I installed the i386 package as specified in some blogs...
[18:16] <billybigrigger> i never got into kde too much, so tweaking wasn't my thing :)
[18:16] <HoellP> we notice ;)
[18:17] <billybigrigger> BluesKaj, is that picture taken in scotland
[18:17] <billybigrigger> ?
[18:17] <HoellP> kde is so variable, that you can't deduce what it can do, just by looking at one screenshot
[18:17] <vince> urlin2u, I don't see any grub menu since Ubuntu comes into play right after the boot
[18:17] <BluesKaj> it's configurable ...I like across the bottom ..where it belongs ...the pic is from bavaria , the Black Forest ...it's in the wallpapers for kde
[18:18] <urlin2u> vince tap shift or any key at start to get the grub menu.
[18:18] <unimatrix9> hello all
[18:19] <unimatrix9> i might need new glasses, or ubuntu software centre ( oneric with updates of today ) is showing all pakcages dubble
[18:20] <vince> urlin2u, Thanks, I didn't know that
[18:20] <unimatrix9> tried bug reporting, failed somehow aswell
[18:20] <HoellP> unimatrix9, i had that too after installation of oneiric. i had to remove the package cache for it to work normal again
[18:20] <HoellP> if you wait a mom, i look up the file names
[18:21] <unimatrix9> crashing software centre, battery indicator dissappeared ..
[18:21] <urlin2u> vince, if you only have ubuntu it bypasses the grub menu without a key prompt, hehe, no problem.
[18:21] <HoellP> unimatrix9, there is a crash report, which you should submit...
[18:21] <vince> Still, can't load session 'gnome'
[18:21] <HoellP> unimatrix9, most of the time there will already be a report, but sometimes it's new
[18:22] <vince> that's unfortunate because I don't like Unity.
[18:22] <urlin2u> vince, are you updated completely?
[18:22] <vince> I've got gnome-shell and its dependencies +  gnome-session installed
[18:23] <vince> Yes I totally up to date
[18:23] <HoellP> unimatrix9, try "sudo rm /var/cache/apt/pkgcache.bin /var/cache/apt/srcpkgcache.bin"
[18:23] <urlin2u> vince, I had the same problem until I just reinstalled the same set up, now both DE work fine .
[18:23] <unimatrix9> okey
[18:23] <HoellP> and then apt-get update again
[18:24] <vince> Since, Fresh install I'm guessing ?
[18:24] <vince> *so
[18:25] <urlin2u> vince, yeah, I think many forget that in development the official testers run new snapshots regularly
[18:25] <vince> urlin2u, have you installed with the B1 or the daily ?
[18:25] <urlin2u> vince, the daily after the B1
[18:25] <unimatrix9> i am missing the gnome-battery monitor ( on the gnome menu ) is there an way to get it back ?
[18:26] <vince> because i've been using the daily for 6 or 7 days
[18:26] <vince> maybe more, wasn't in the beta stage yet
[18:26] <unimatrix9> ubuntu software centre starts okey, but the packages are still dubble entry
[18:26] <urlin2u> vince, you can save alist of the installs and the sources list as well.
[18:26] <HoellP> unimatrix9, check your /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ for any double entries
[18:27] <unimatrix9> ccms is creating crashes too
[18:27] <HoellP> unimatrix9, yes, it does, that's known
[18:27] <urlin2u> compiz was upgraded yesterday as well.
[18:27] <unimatrix9> i did upgrade just on hour ago
[18:27] <unimatrix9> or update
[18:28] <vince> yes, so did I
[18:28] <unimatrix9> sorry
[18:28] <vince> still not working
[18:28] <unimatrix9> true
[18:28] <HoellP> lol
[18:28] <HoellP> i just removed my collection of skydomes...
[18:28] <HoellP> i can't even remember how long i haven't even used the cube...
[18:28] <vince> urlin2u, Thanks for your help, I'll stick to 10.10 until the final release of Oneric
[18:29] <vince> I installed 11.04, was a bloody mess :/
[18:29] <HoellP> vince, why would you use oneiric anyway if not to report bugs?
[18:29] <urlin2u> vince, it can be a hassle unless you're really into it. :D
[18:29] <unimatrix9> there is no refresh in ubuntu software center ?
[18:30] <vince> HoellP, I was rather curious about Gnome3, that's all.
[18:30] <vince> and gnome-shell more precisely
[18:30] <unimatrix9> okey the dubble entry is gone
[18:31] <vince> (Yes, I gave Fedora a try but my AMD graphic chip didn't quite like the design...)
[18:31] <unimatrix9> i just disabled some sources and its okey then
[18:31] <HoellP> vince, i see, still, a beta release i probably not giving the correct impression
[18:31] <HoellP> -i
[18:32] <unimatrix9> the 'third party sources`  i think created the dubble entry
[18:32] <vince> Yes you're right.
[18:33] <vince> I think it's going in the right direction though. Except for I can't run gnome-shell haha
[18:33] <HoellP> :D
[18:33] <HoellP> sorry can't help, got my hands full testing unity atm
[18:33] <BluesKaj> HoellP, seems there are settings on my /home partition that are causing this problem .. I did an experiment and installed the beta to my / partition without specifing a home partition at the partitioning phase ,,,I ended up with a perfectly fine beta install with no Kwin or plasma problems . The I reinstalled again but this time  I specified the /home partition in the partioning phase and I ended up with same problem , once the install was done ..
[18:33] <unimatrix9> its only the 'elite'that can run it .. :P
[18:33] <almoxarife> what's the sane simple way to get rid of the universal access icon??
[18:33] <BluesKaj> there has to be some config file(s) that are corrupted
[18:33] <HoellP> will give the shell a spin soon i guess
[18:33] <vince> Funny thing, I managed to make it work for like 10 minutes, then an update came up, then nothing haha
[18:33] <almoxarife> what's the sane simple way to get rid of the universal access icon?? from shell
[18:34] <HoellP> BluesKaj, seems plausible
[18:34] <HoellP> BluesKaj, like so often, keeping home is not always carefree
[18:34] <unimatrix9> any one know where the unity conif files are located ?
[18:34] <unimatrix9> config '
[18:34] <HoellP> i suggest you move it away, let it create a new clean home and then only copy back what you need
[18:35] <HoellP> i do that every 2-3 releases
[18:35] <BluesKaj> gonna copy a few new files over to my backup pc and do a fresh install
[18:35] <unimatrix9> create an nwe user might make an new config
[18:35] <HoellP> unimatrix9, wait
[18:35] <HoellP> my comment was for BluesKaj
[18:35] <HoellP> not that you do something unnecessary here ;)
[18:35] <vince> almoxarife, http://www.webupd8.org/2011/05/how-to-remove-keyboard-indicator-icon.html
[18:36] <HoellP> unimatrix9, but you are actually looking for compiz settings
[18:36] <HoellP> you find them in .compiz-1 .confg/compiz-1 .cache/compiz-1 if i'm not missing something
[18:36] <unimatrix9> okey heading for that location now .. ±)
[18:37] <HoellP> just look through your home and move everything away that is called compiz or unity
[18:37] <HoellP> even deleting is not really a problem, because when you log in a clean config gets created
[18:38] <almoxarife> vince: that's not the icon I need to remove, I have the 'univeral access' icon on shell, someones idea of feel good PC do good
[18:42] <unimatrix9> is there a way ( bash ) to start gnome battery monitor ?
[19:48] <jakemp> My wireless seems to be working again
[19:48] <jakemp> =D
[20:02] <HoellP> Anyone knows, why oneiric tries to turn off my monitor while i'm watching a movie?
[20:02] <HoellP> and how i can prevent it, without deactivating the auto-off.
[20:03] <HoellP> i'm using VLC btw, because totem is even worse at video playback
[20:03] <HoellP> and even vlc is not perfectly smooth...
[20:03] <HoellP> damn AMD drivers
[20:14] <jakemp> I can't find a menu to shutdown/reboot/ sleep, etc.
[20:25] <HoellP> Top right corner?
[20:40] <FernandoMiguel> evening
[20:52] <bullgard4_> HoellP: "[22:02]	<HoellP>	Anyone knows, why oneiric tries to turn off my monitor while i'm watching a movie?" <--  /var/log/dmesg.0 should provide a clue.
[20:53] <RRRRube> HoellP, is it just the sleep mode/screensaver kicking in? Could you try disabling that?
[20:57] <HoellP> bullgard4_, nope, nothing, the messages stop after boot is completed
[20:58] <HoellP> RRRRube, it is the monitor dimming which you can configure in the system prefs
[20:58] <HoellP> section Display(?)
[20:58] <HoellP> where you also can set if the monitor should lock
[20:58] <HoellP> you can not disable this feature
[20:59] <HoellP> hmpf, the theme just crashed as well...
[21:00] <RRRRube> HoellP, You can change some settings under "Power" in System settings. Have you looked in there?
[21:01] <RRRRube> HoellP, There was an app called Caffeine that inhibited screensaver/power saving but I'm not sure if it's still available or works in Oneiric. Maybe try googling it?
[21:01] <HoellP> that's only for system standby as i see it
[21:01] <HoellP> nothing to do with the monitor
[21:02] <HoellP> the setting is in section personal called display or monitor (Bildschirm
[21:02] <HoellP>  in german)
[21:02] <HoellP> but you can only set the time from 1 min in steps to 1hr
[21:02] <HoellP> no disable
[21:02] <HoellP> caffeine is not in the repos at least
[21:03] <HoellP> this is nothing i'd be willing to install an external application btw
[21:03] <HoellP> this has to work ootb
[21:03] <RRRRube> My Display option in System Settings doesn't even let me disable it!! (It really bugs me how so much functionality is being removed)
[21:03] <robin0800> RRRRube, I think you can't stop this and its little things like this that really need fixing in unity
[21:05] <HoellP> RRRRube, that's what i said, you can't disable it
[21:05] <HoellP> and the display dims during the movie
[21:05] <HoellP> which is extremely annoying
[21:05] <RRRRube> Well, I'm in Gnome shell at the moment. I'm never quite sure what features come under Ubuntu or Unity and what are Gnome. Surely they're going to add a screensaver utility before the final release? (cos you can usually stop the monitor switching off there)
[21:06] <HoellP> this is not a screensaver
[21:06] <HoellP> and G3 dropped the screensaver anyway
[21:06] <HoellP> this is display powersaving
[21:07] <HoellP> kinda similar to the bug that plagues kubuntu's default video player since 2 years or so
[21:10] <RRRRube> Well, Caffeine is the only thing I can suggest. They have a PPA. I know it's maybe not what you're looking for, but this is their launchpad page if you want to check it out: https://launchpad.net/caffeine
[21:12] <HoellP> i will try it at least
[21:12] <HoellP> anyone checked for a bug report
[21:13] <HoellP> there is no oneiric package for caffeine...
[21:15] <HoellP> also, it is a panel applet, i'm pretty sure that won't work too well in Unity
[21:19] <HoellP> anyone knows against which package i could report this?
[21:19] <HoellP> gnome-control-center, the video player?
[21:25] <reya276> Is there any way to change icon themes in 11.10 beta?
[21:26] <robin0800> reya276, gnome-tweak-settings
[21:26] <mongy> gnome-tweak-tool
[21:26] <reya276> is that a terminal command?
[21:26] <mongy> a package
[21:27] <reya276> oh I have to install that
[21:27] <reya276> ok
[21:27] <mongy> I know, using an app classed as tweaking advanced settings to change the font and icons is a bit much
[21:27] <robin0800> reya276, it will appear as advanced settings when installed
[21:27] <mongy> serious fail on gnome3's part
[21:27] <reya276> also can I install Gnome Shell?
[21:28] <HoellP> mongy, does that work for unity's icons as well?
[21:28] <mongy> yes
[21:28] <HoellP> i really don't wanna install a new DE just to change the icons...
[21:28] <mongy> reya276, it installs gnome-shell also I believe.  you use it for both
[21:28] <HoellP> seems excessive
[21:28] <mongy> its not really a huge install.
[21:28] <mongy> install, set , remove
[21:29] <HoellP> lol
[21:29] <HoellP> not likely...
[21:29] <mongy> there isnt much extra to install tbh. try it
[21:29] <HoellP> i can do with the default icons
[21:29] <HoellP> i know, that's a thing of principle...
[21:29] <reya276> yeah, not me I hate those Icons, needs me some Faenza
[21:31] <reya276> ok I installed that package but no Advance Settings under the main System Settings
[21:32] <robin0800> reya276, its an app
[21:34] <reya276> ah ok
[21:37] <HoellP> i'm off for today
[21:37] <HoellP> see you guys, have a good night
[21:38] <reya276> how can I choose to run Gnome-Shell or enable it?
[21:39] <robin0800> reya276, from the login screen
[21:39] <reya276> Nope, all I get is Ubuntu and Ubuntu 2D
[21:40] <robin0800> reya276, well it's not installed then  it will be there afterwards
[21:41] <mb55> is there a way to get the old and useful system settings back?
[21:42] <robin0800> mb55, don't think so
[21:43] <mb55> hmm, then oneiric is probably the worst release yet
[21:43] <jtaylor> no one forces you to use it
[21:43] <robin0800> mb55, what are you missing?
[21:45] <Machtin> anyone got skype running on 64bit?
[21:45] <jtaylor> yes
[21:45] <mb55> most of the appearence settings (colors, fonts), the sound settings (sound profiles, login/etc. sounds), power settings (close laptop lid) for starters
[21:45] <jtaylor> you need to enable multiarach and install the 32 bit version
[21:45] <jtaylor> or the "64bit" version + a bunch of 32 bit libraries
[21:46] <Machtin> okay
[21:48] <Machtin> dpkg: warning: parsing file '/var/lib/dpkg/available' near line 34801 package 'mac-3.99-u4:i386':
[21:49] <robin0800> mb55, themes.fonts icons and power settings ... gnome-tweak-tool
[21:49] <Machtin> error in Version string 'b3-1': version number does not start with digit <- that's the error.
[21:49] <Machtin> I'm pretty sure multiarch is enabled.
[21:52] <jtaylor> whats that for a package it complains about?
[21:52] <jtaylor> there is no mac in the archive, some broken ppa?
[21:52] <Machtin> that's when I do dpkg -i skype<tab> and the skype-package is from the skype-page
[21:53] <jtaylor> yes that has nothing to do with skype, the dpkg data is corrupted
[21:53] <Machtin> hm.
[21:53] <jtaylor> oh its only a warning? you can probably ignore it then
[21:53] <Machtin> ah, read "error" in the second line
[21:53] <Machtin> but well, you're right.
[21:54] <Machtin> hm.
[21:54] <Machtin> still: bash: /usr/bin/skype: No such file or directory
[21:55] <jtaylor> you should be able to remove that file and do a new update, maybe that fixes the issue (assuming its not coming from a broken ppa)
[21:55] <jtaylor> make a backup though
[21:58] <Machtin> hm, apt-get/aptitude upgrade doesn't create that file on its own.
[21:59] <jtaylor> does installing skype work now?
[21:59] <Machtin> nah, it lacks the available-file
[21:59] <Machtin> however, there's an update-avail-option in dpkg
[22:05] <jtaylor> for i in /var/lib/apt/lists/*Packages: do sudo dpkg --update-avail $i; done should restore it
[22:07] <Machtin> i can cat /usr/bin/skype, but /usr/bin/skype says "no such file or directory"
[22:07] <jtaylor> you have to install skype first
[22:08] <Machtin> well, i did
[22:08] <Machtin> there's that error, but dpkg doesn't throw any errors
[22:08] <jtaylor> which error?
[22:09] <Machtin> the one i pasted: "error in Version string 'b3-1': version number does not start with digit"
[22:09] <Machtin> but for dpkg that's only a warning as you pointed out
[22:09] <jtaylor> which ppas are you ising?
[22:09] <Machtin> uhm.
[22:09] <Machtin> how to tell?
[22:09] <jtaylor> check the file which package has this invalid version string
[22:12] <Machtin> o.O
[22:13] <Machtin> Description: Monkey's Audio for Ubuntu 6.10
[22:15] <alex_mayorga> any horror stories on recent  dist-upgrades?
[22:15] <octe> yes
[22:15] <octe> or rather, lots of stuff seems broken atm..
[22:15] <alex_mayorga> octe: sorry to hear, thanks in the warning :)
[22:16] <octe> i installed the beta yesterday on my work computer and everything worked fine
[22:16] <octe> isntalled it tonight on my home computer and lots of stuff isn't installable
[22:16] <octe> can't install ubuntu-desktop due to dependency problems
[22:17] <alex_mayorga> odd, I've been pretty much OK since alpha1 or 2 IIRC
[22:17]  * alex_mayorga knocks on wood
[22:17] <octe> hehe
[22:18] <alex_mayorga> today I'm having apport appearing over and over, but not sending out a report :S
[22:18] <octe> and the nvidia properitery driver doesn't really work, the nouveau driver is always built into the initramfs and loaded
[22:18] <octe> i didn't find a way of fixing that except actually removing the .ko-file and rebuilding the initramfs
[22:20] <alex_mayorga> nouveau has been rock solid on my nvidia card so far
[22:20] <octe> so the plan with the new multiarch support is to not have a ia32-libs / lib32*-packages upon release?
[22:20] <octe> yeah, nouveau is great except for games :(
[22:21] <alex_mayorga> hedgewars works fine ;)
[22:21] <octe> hehe :)
[22:21] <BluesKaj> octe:  depends on your nvidia card , but the nvidia-current driver should work on most cards fromm the 6XXX series and up.
[22:22] <octe> BluesKaj, you mean nouveau?
[22:22] <BluesKaj> no
[22:22] <octe> nvidia-current seems broken now...
[22:22] <BluesKaj> nouveau is merely the std default
[22:22] <BluesKaj> not here
[22:22] <octe> as i said, nouveau gets built into the initrd and loaded at boot
[22:22] <octe> which conflicts with the nvidia module
[22:23] <BluesKaj> yeah, so , the nvidia-current is optional in addtional drivers / jockey
[22:23] <octe> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/initramfs-tools/+bug/815803 found a bug about it even
[22:23] <octe> BluesKaj, you're confusing me.
[22:24] <octe> installing nvidia-current needs to prevent nouveau from being loaded since they conflict with eachother
[22:25] <BluesKaj> octe:  admin>additional drivers , choose the recommended driver and it will install replacing the nouveau , then a restart is required
[22:25] <octe> BluesKaj, i can't even get there since i can't install ubuntu-desktop ;-(
[22:25] <octe> i just installed the nvidia-current packages.
[22:25] <octe> what else does jockey do?
[22:25] <BluesKaj> octe:  oh sorry to hear that
[22:26] <octe> if it works by doing it the jockey way, jockey must be doing something extra
[22:28] <yofel> octe: jockey installs the driver and creates an xorg.conf, nothing more
[22:29] <yofel> if nouveau is loaded with the nvidia driver installed that's a bug
[22:29] <octe> strange that it seems to work for other people, since the bug i found is from july
[22:29] <BluesKaj> octe:  not really . if you install nvidia-current from the prompt , it will do the same as jockey , but gdm has to be stopped first
[22:30] <yofel> uh no, you don't need to stop gdm to install nvidia-current
[22:30] <octe> yofel, if nvidia-current is installed, is nouveau supposed to be built into the initfs?
[22:30] <yofel> you need to reboot after it to use it though
[22:31] <octe> yes..
[22:31] <yofel> octe: well, having it in initramfs breaks nvidia-current, so I hope not
[22:31] <yofel> octe: add 'nomodeset' to the kernel command line
[22:32] <yofel> that'll make nvidia work even with noveau loaded since it turns KMS off
[22:32] <octe> ah, i'll do that instead.
[22:33] <Machtin> jtaylor: got it :)
[22:33] <octe> http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=ZJMBev56 <- bug then?
[22:34] <yofel> bug IMO
[22:34] <Machtin> night guys!
[22:35] <octe> how does update-initramfs decide which modules get added? i've tried changing MODULES to either "dep" or "most" in initramfs.conf, makes no difference
[22:59] <basso> hello
[22:59] <FernandoMiguel> BluesKaj: yofel http://theoatmeal.com/comics/senior_year
[22:59] <basso> anyone running gnome-shell with nvidia prop drivers?
[22:59] <basso> anyone with nvidia want to install gnome-shell and check for vertical tearing?
[23:00] <basso> because i get vertical tearing when viewing videos in gnome-shell, unity is fine, but gnome-shell is evil :(
[23:25] <bjsnider> basso, only in videos?
[23:25] <basso> bjsnider: its all the time, but its easier to spot it on videos, i can for instans just movie the nautilus window around and see the same tearing
[23:49] <BluesKaj> the toolbar containing file , sdit etc is missing from Dolphin, there doesn't seem to be an option in configure dolphin to add it ...any suggestions?
[23:49] <BluesKaj> file , edit etc