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Stanley00	Morning! I'm using oneiric, and I'd like thunder can minimize to systray or some kind of that. any suggestion?	01:03
urlin2u	Stanley00, I installed gconf-editor although deprecated, it will put the buttons back on the windows if you want.	01:13
Stanley00	urlin2u: can you be more specs, which keys should I change?	01:14
urlin2u	in gonf editor-desktop-shell is a place to add the minimizw ans maximize buttons.	01:15
Stanley00	urlin2u: thanks, I will look at it now	01:16
urlin2u	http://www.khattam.info/howto-add-minimize-maximizerestore-buttons-in-gnome-3-2011-05-26.html	01:17
urlin2u	this helps	01:17
Stanley00	urlin2u: or, sorry, maybe you misunderstood,..	01:18
Stanley00	urlin2u: I'd like thunder bird can minimize to systray or some kind of that. sorry, mistyping...	01:18
urlin2u	I was not sure but having a minimize button on the window seemed a conmpromize.	01:18
Stanley00	urlin2u: I tried looking for an add-on but there isn't for thunder bird 7.0...	01:22
urlin2u	never seen one as you describe, myself	01:23
micahg	Stanley00: there used to be such an addon, but it's unmaintained	01:24
Stanley00	micahg: hmm, I think it's a very helpful add-on, can you tell me where I can find it?	01:25
micahg	Stanley00: it won't work with thunderbird 7	01:26
Stanley00	micahg: hmm, what's a pity!	01:26
SirFunk	hey, since evolution is no longer default, is there going to be another calendar program included in oneiric?	02:34
Stanley00	SirFunk: how about reminderFox add-on in thunderbird?	02:54
SirFunk	Stanley00: that's really not a replacement for evolution	03:10
jbicha	SirFunk: just install Evolution then, it still integrates with the messaging menu	03:16
SirFunk	jbicha: heh, well i never liked/used evolution... I was just hoping that in removing evolution (with calendar) there was some planned alternative that was better than evolution	03:28
jbicha	SirFunk: it's hoped that Ubuntu 12.04 will have some sort of calendar built-in, perhaps Lightning	03:36
SirFunk	jbicha: nice. Lightning isn't bad.. perhaps integration is what i'm missing in it.. looking forward to that	03:47
DanaG	say, what do I need to do to get a Novatel wwan card ( Bus 003 Device 003: ID 1410:8000 Novatel Wireless	03:53
DanaG	) to work?	03:53
DanaG	That is, to at let me try dialing with networkmanager, OR to at the very least give me GPS.	03:53
DanaG	Hmm, so, I can connect to the WWAN network, but I can't get to anywhere.	04:33
DanaG	Any traffic trying to go anywhere results in ICMP "Network Unreachable" from a host that's neither the gateway nor the DNS server nor anything else obvious.	04:33
cwillu_at_work	DanaG, dumb question, but it's not localhost?	04:35
bullgard4_	[GNOME 3] Since yesterday's upgrade my "Super" key is unfunctional when resuming from suspend state or or using LibreOffice for a while. What package should I report this error against? I do not obtain any error message.	04:40
bullgard4_	I need to restart the computer in order that the Super key re-appears.	04:42
cwillu_at_work	bullgard4_, logging out and in doesn't restore it?	04:42
snadge	does the oneiric installer kernel support xen pvops?	04:44
snadge	or is the recommended way to install it, still to use debootstrap	04:44
snadge	i have downloaded the alternate install iso, assuming there was a kernel and initrd i could boot with xen	04:45
DanaG	cwillu_at_work: nope. the ICMP sender is 172.x; the network is 10.x; the gateway is 68.x.	04:45
DanaG	68 is public; the others are private.	04:45
cwillu_at_work	DanaG, your ip is?	04:46
DanaG	10.117.22.234.	04:46
cwillu_at_work	could be a misconfigured dhcp server	04:47
DanaG	It's a Sprint 3G card yanked from a Kindle.	04:47
DanaG	So, it may very well be blocked.	04:47
cwillu_at_work	heh	04:47
DanaG	But the IP configuration seems weird.	04:47
cwillu_at_work	I didn't know there was a usable piece of equipment you could nab out of one of those	04:47
DanaG	68.28.50.91/92 are the gateways.	04:47
cwillu_at_work	I must resist the urge to take mine apart :p	04:47
DanaG	http://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Amazon-Kindle-2-Teardown/624/2	04:47
DanaG	er	04:48
DanaG	http://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Amazon-Kindle-2-Teardown/624/	04:48
DanaG	that's page 1.	04:48
bullgard4_	cwillu_at_work: '~sudo service lightdm restart' in a virtual console sometimes restores GNOME 3 and sometimes not.	04:48
DanaG	Shows up as Bus 003 Device 003: ID 1410:8000 Novatel Wireless	04:48
DanaG	Oh yeah, lightdm seems to die, and leave behind an X server.	04:48
DanaG	So I can't restart lightdm.	04:48
cwillu_at_work	ah, I've got a kindle3	04:48
DanaG	And logging in gives me blank.	04:48
DanaG	I should probably try the card in the Kindle itself.	04:49
snadge	nobody uses xen anymore? :p	04:51
cwillu_at_work	snadge, I let my vps provider deal with that stuff	04:52
snadge	your vps provider still has to try and install oneiric eventually ;)	04:52
bullgard4_	cwillu_at_work: Please tell me what program package should I report this error against in Launchpad?	04:52
cwillu_at_work	snadge, hardly	04:53
DanaG	Okay, so it works fine in the Kindle itself.	04:53
cwillu_at_work	bullgard4_, singularity-music	04:53
cwillu_at_work	bullgard4_, more seriously, I don't really know, although if you pick off xorg-input or something, it's not a big deal; it'll get reassigned as necessary	04:54
bullgard4_	cwillu_at_work: hm.	04:58
snadge	ahh ok http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/oneiric/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/xen/	05:00
snadge	handy to know that exists ;)	05:00
DanaG	argh, stupid gnome 3... has only two brightness levels.	05:01
DanaG	High, and low.	05:01
cwillu_at_work	DanaG, I predict revolt within a year	05:01
DanaG	I see... Amazon uses a proxy.	05:02
DanaG	Cool. Maybe then I'll be able to use the card.	05:03
DanaG	anyway, off to get ready for bed.	05:03
bullgard4_	[GNOME 3] Yesterday there was a huge update of ~180 MB via UpdateManager. Why does this update not reflect in Synaptic's history?	05:13
urlin2u	big one today as well.	05:14
urlin2u	twice	05:15
Onlyodin	really?	05:17
Onlyodin	damn proxy must be screwing me over	05:17
Onlyodin	All I have is gnome-control-center which has a broken dependency	05:17
bullgard4_	cwillu_at_work: A revolt against what?	05:24
cwillu_at_work	gnome3	05:24
cwillu_at_work	gnome-shell in particular	05:24
bullgard4_	Ah!	05:24
bullgard4_	cwillu_at_work: I cannot confirm your prediction. I hav been using GNOME 3 since Oneiric Alpha 2 and had no major problems until yesterday.	05:25
bullgard4_	+e	05:25
snadge	3.1.90 has just been pushed out yeah?	05:26
snadge	it broke fedora too	05:27
bullgard4_	snadge: What package do you speak about specifically?	05:29
snadge	gdm possibly gnome-shell	05:29
snadge	oneiric installs beautifully in xen, using the latest nightly.. you have to manually load the xen net driver for it to detect network, otherwise fine	05:31
bullgard4_	snadge: Current gnome-shell version is 3.1.4-0ubuntu2.	05:31
snadge	fedora is a bit more psycho then.. they are also using kernel 3.1.0 rc4	05:31
micahg	fedora releases a month and a half after us this cycle	05:32
snadge	ironically i started messing around with f16 to see what the latest gnome 3 shell was like	05:33
snadge	just getting to a point where i could use it was difficult enough.. but, that was my first experience with gnome 3 and i liked it	05:34
snadge	being able to choose between that, and unity, in a more stable environment does sound preferable though	05:34
zniavre	good morning	06:42
zniavre	there is a worrie with desktop icon no ?	06:42
zniavre	http://i.imgur.com/5xOXU.png it looks too small im thinking	06:44
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bullgard4_	LibreOffice 3.4 crashes when performing the task suggested in http://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6924 and writes: "A report of the crash was created to help us to identify the reason why LibreOffice crashed. Click 'Next' to get to the Error Reporting Tool. When clicking 'next' this old window disappears and no new window appears. How to proceed?	07:41
bullgard4_	zniavre: The "Desktop" icon is a bit small in my GNOME 3 too.	07:43
Saviq	hi all, after resuming from suspend, ubuntu managed to completely turn off (or break, as the symptoms are the same) my backlight	08:20
Saviq	any ideas what I might try and poke to get it back?	08:21
Saviq	I tried booting to windows, upgrading the BIOS, resetting it to the defaults, nothing :/	08:22
Saviq	it's a Dell laptop, btw	08:22
urlin2u	Saviq, kind of drastic responses to try and get a OS in development to suspend, has earlier releases supended?	08:25
urlin2u	have*	08:26
Saviq	urlin2u: no earlier releases were installed on it, tbh, but it suspended fine multiple times	08:26
urlin2u	Saviq, are you a new open source user?	08:27
Saviq	no, actually the opposite, and that's why I have the dev version running	08:27
urlin2u	Saviq, cool I figured not, well I had some problems that a fresh install fixed, the beta1 has I forget what exactly stuff turned on that were off in the alpha stages.	08:28
urlin2u	you can save the installed apps to a file and reload them to a fresh install that is what I did.	08:29
Saviq	yeah anyway... that's what I have the next day service for	08:33
Saviq	new screen incoming	08:33
Adys	Anyone got ELF header smaller than expected on boot?	08:34
chand	Hi	08:37
chand	Will totem stay default video player in oneiric ?	08:38
popey	chand: yes	08:39
jtaylor	yes	08:39
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chand	we dont see totem 3.1.x package	08:40
chand	any idea why ?	08:41
popey	chand: its 3.0.1	08:41
chand	popey, yes but all other gnome 3.1.X have been uploaded to follow gnome 3.2 development	08:43
popey	i see debian has totem 3.0.1 also	08:43
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HoellP	Hello, i need a hint against which packages i should report a bug	11:38
HoellP	the problem is between empathy and the messaging menu...	11:39
HoellP	can anyone tell me on which side of the two the connection is made, so i can select the correct package to report against?	11:39
IdleOne	!info telepathy-indicator	11:42
ubottu	telepathy-indicator (source: telepathy-indicator): Desktop service to integrate Telepathy with the messaging menu.. In component main, is optional. Version 0.0.6-0ubuntu1 (oneiric), package size 7 kB, installed size 72 kB	11:42
IdleOne	not sure if that is what you need	11:42
HoellP	me neither actually	11:42
HoellP	the problem is, if i set empathy to auto start at boot, it shows up, but the status switcher in the messaging menu is deactivated (greyed out)	11:43
HoellP	i have to close empathy, and start again for it to work	11:43
IdleOne	HoellP: file against empathy and it should get triaged to the right package if that isn't it.	11:43
HoellP	this only happens if i start it via startup applications	11:43
HoellP	alright, will do that	11:43
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gnomefreak	are these safe to remove? console-terminus gnome-icon-theme-extras ntfsprogs	12:23
gnomefreak	well dont care about the icons	12:24
gnomefreak	libx264-116 is the problem. not sure if they should be removed due to impementing them into the libx264-116 instead of depends on them	12:25
HoellP	console-terminus is not a package, it's part of console-setup which is marked important	12:25
HoellP	i wouldn't do that...	12:25
gnomefreak	gnomefreak@Development:~$ show console-terminus	12:27
gnomefreak	Package: console-terminus	12:27
HoellP	apt-cache show console-terminus	12:28
HoellP	N: Can't select versions from package 'console-terminus' as it is purely virtual	12:28
gnomefreak	console-terminus is already the newest version. :(	12:29
HoellP	and aptitude show says that "console-terminus" is provided by package "console-setup"	12:29
gnomefreak	yes it does	12:29
HoellP	i don't understand what you mean then...	12:30
HoellP	but nevertheless, you should NOT remove console-setup afaik	12:30
robin0800	after latest updates network manager won't connect to mobile broadband gnomeppp works however is there a bug report?	12:32
HoellP	robin0800: search launchpad yourself will probably be faster, then get someone here to search for your	12:33
bullgard4_	[GNOME 3] '~$ LANG=C sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree; E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages." Is the only solution to wait for the future?	12:37
HoellP	try sudo apt-get install -f	12:38
HoellP	and then sudo dpkg configure -a	12:38
bullgard4_	HoellP: This -f switch ends in 'E: Package 'nspluginviewer' has no installation candidate'.'	12:42
HoellP	i also don't have that package available	12:42
HoellP	but there is nspluginwrapper available, maybe there is some transition going on	12:43
HoellP	you have a 64bit system?	12:43
knightstalker	I have some problems with Window Theme in Gnome shell...,any ideas?	12:43
bullgard4_	HoellP: But have you managed to install flashplugin-nonfree?	12:43
bullgard4_	Yes, 64-bit system.	12:43
HoellP	i use the native 64bit plug in	12:43
HoellP	available from ppa:sevenmachines/flash	12:44
HoellP	that is : and s	12:44
HoellP	damn smilies	12:44
HoellP	the package is called flashplugin64-installer	12:44
bullgard4_	Ah! I thought I better wait until I do not have to rely on PPAs.	12:44
HoellP	i'm unsure if version 11 will be ready for oneiric release. but it doesn't matter much because all flash installers only d/l the plug in from adeobe servers anyway	12:45
HoellP	it has RC1 state now and works pretty well here, definitely better than the 32bit plug in with wrapper	12:45
bullgard4_	HoellP: That's what others told me too.	12:46
BluesKaj	G'Day all	12:46
HoellP	and a good day to you sir	12:46
bullgard4_	HoellP: I am in no hurry and can wait until the end of October, 2011. Then I will reconsider the matter. -- Thank you for commenting.	12:47
HoellP	you're welcome	12:48
BluesKaj	hi HoellP	12:51
* BluesKaj begins to wonder whether the plasma desktop is the prob here, ...looks much like Kwin but I'm not sure		12:53
HoellP	Hmm, i'm running out of bugs to report...	12:56
* HoellP searches deeper		12:56
HoellP	got another one :D	12:58
dchua	Hi. I'm testing beta1 and would like to look at the source code for a specific package. What deb-src URL do I use (in my /etc/apt/sources.list) for this? Thanks.	13:01
HoellP	depends on the package...	13:01
HoellP	specifically, in which repo the package lives	13:01
dchua	OK. It's the command-not-found-0.2.43ubuntu1 package.	13:02
dchua	Sorry if this is newbie question ...	13:02
HoellP	no worries, everyone starts sometime...	13:02
HoellP	i'm pretty sure that package is in main	13:03
HoellP	so, the easiest way, is to start software-properties and activate source repos in the first tab	13:04
dchua	OK. I see. Sorry, I confused myself ... I've got the TGZ by means of apt-get source.	13:04
HoellP	that's the default way	13:05
HoellP	didn't you get the source?	13:05
dchua	I'm testing chinese input in beta1 and found that command-not-found is throwing a Unicode exception.	13:05
dchua	I wanted to grab the python source code to find the root cause. Maybe even the fix.	13:05
Pici	apt-get source does get the source....	13:05
HoellP	and it does for me...	13:06
HoellP	look for the folder in the dir where you ran the command	13:06
Pici	I'm confused.	13:06
rohdef	how come postgres 9.1 start on a random port each time?	13:08
rohdef	I've set it to port 5432 in /etc/postgres/9.1/main/postgres.conf	13:08
rohdef	and netstat don't show any apps using that port	13:08
mongy	google gravity wa fun for 7 seconds	13:09
HoellP	mongy: +1 ;)	13:11
basso	updates today?	13:14
HoellP	wow, empathy's irc implementation is totally broken...	13:16
gnomie	certainly not designed with irc in mind. then again none said it was an irc client really; i use irssi! :D	13:19
HoellP	i know, but i use irc so seldom nowadays, that configuring irssi for it is kinda wasted time	13:20
gnomie	it works for light irc'ing [read: one channel open] heh	13:20
HoellP	there are other capable clients as well, but i'd really like all messaging be done in one program	13:20
HoellP	sadly, not even that...	13:21
HoellP	at least if you don't want a fullscreen window	13:21
HoellP	because writing over the border of the text input box just resizes the whole window...	13:21
HoellP	there is a bug report, which says it's fixed in oneiric, which is clearly not the case	13:22
gnomie	it was unbearable to have 3 channels open, while sending commands to nickerv .. managing of channels is not empathy's forte	13:22
HoellP	that's another problem...	13:22
HoellP	maybe switch to pidgin, that works pretty well for light irc usage	13:22
gnomie	not only that, but authenticating to network was clumsy to say the least	13:23
HoellP	clumsy is very nicely said...	13:25
BluesKaj	is quassel default in gnome ?	13:26
HoellP	quassel is default in kubuntu	13:26
HoellP	and is a KDE/Qt program	13:27
BluesKaj	yes , but what the default irc client in gnome ..i've forgotten	13:27
HoellP	Ubuntu has no default IRC app, only empathy which does rudimentary IRC	13:27
coz_	BluesKaj, empathy last I looked as default if that does irc	13:27
BluesKaj	yeah qt , but some are used there	13:27
coz_	BluesKaj, but generally I have to install an irc client in gnome	13:27
HoellP	xchat is the way to go, but you need to install it	13:27
gnomie	if empathy = irc , i rather say there is no default irc software under unity	13:28
gnomie	:-P	13:28
coz_	yeah not sure about empahty at all for irc	13:28
coz_	BluesKaj, I always install xchat in gnome	13:28
HoellP	coz_: i'm here with empathy	13:29
BluesKaj	konversation is still my default, not default on kde anymore but it is mine :)	13:29
HoellP	you can connect and send messages	13:29
coz_	HoellP, ah ok cool	13:29
HoellP	that's about it	13:29
HoellP	but there is this bug, which makes the window get bigger when the text gets too long for the input box	13:29
HoellP	but only when the user list is shown	13:29
HoellP	very weird...	13:29
gnomie	i say it's more a design flaw than a bug	13:30
HoellP	not really	13:30
HoellP	it's only in irc windows, so i consider it a bug	13:30
gnomie	clearly coming from a client designed for i.m. instead	13:30
HoellP	there is also a report on launchpad and gnome's bugtracker	13:31
gnomie	flaw	13:31
HoellP	but also when IMing, the window has to respect the size i give it	13:31
HoellP	it's just not ok to grow bigger than the screen	13:32
HoellP	during our conversation, this window has grown at least 5 cm horizontally	13:32
HoellP	if that is not a bug, i don't know what is	13:32
HoellP	brb, got to check another possible bug...	13:33
HoellP	got another empathy bug...	13:33
HoellP	damn this program is buggy...	13:33
gnomie	at least the ui is easy on the eyes, i give you that	13:34
gnomie	heh	13:34
HoellP	That's why i like it for IM, it does what i need it to do, is well integrated and out of the way	13:35
HoellP	is there a common package for all the indicators i can report a bug against?	13:36
HoellP	or should i report against unity?	13:36
gnomie	i got some screen artifacts at one point while having a channel open fullscreen [empathy] , have you seen anything like that yet?	13:37
HoellP	Nope, no artifacts... But i use a FullHD 22" screen, so i don't use fullscreen at all...	13:37
\|HoellP	re	13:46
\|HoellP	omg, i can hardly keep up with reporting all the bugs i run into today...	13:46
\|HoellP	anyone here can tell me, what the preferred way is to re-open a bug that's been closed as fix released?	13:53
\|HoellP	is setting back to confirmed the way to do it?	13:54
sburwood1	Just tried the beta 1 of Ocelot in VirtualBox. Didn't see much in the way of visible changes. Unity a little different. Will much change from beta1?	13:54
\|HoellP	sburwood1, nothing greatly visible	13:54
IdleOne	sburwood1: probably not too much	13:54
\|HoellP	now is the time for fixing bugs and polish	13:54
IdleOne	what you see is what you get and hopefully works	13:54
sburwood1	IdleOne: Well, what I saw so far was probems with a format during boot - boot completed, so a minor problem. What has really changed aside from kernel numbers and versions of different programs like Firefox?	13:56
IdleOne	check the technical overview linked in topic	13:56
sburwood1	IdleOne: Thx. Didn't understand much. Will look into the rc or the final version to see what matters to me	13:59
sburwood1	bye	13:59
\|HoellP	ok, i'm sending my 4th empthy bug in a row	14:02
\|HoellP	i'm wondering if this really is wort keeping as a default app...	14:02
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HoellP	it's getting worse and worse	14:20
HoellP	i'm actually finding bugs, in functions i need to report other bugs...	14:21
GTRsdk	HoellP: did you run a dist-upgrade?	14:25
HoellP	No	14:25
GTRsdk	good	14:25
HoellP	Fresh install a day before beta	14:25
GTRsdk	HoellP: have you been updating/upgrading?	14:26
HoellP	sure	14:26
HoellP	i do that a few times a day at this state	14:26
jtaylor	sometimes dist-upgrades are necessary	14:27
HoellP	i'd do it more often, if just the google repos weren't so damn f*** slow	14:27
HoellP	jtaylor, i know, i've used every dev version since 5.10	14:28
GTRsdk	since 9.10 for me	14:29
GTRsdk	HoellP: have you seen the recent bug where a computer with about 1 GB of RAM could not report it?	14:29
HoellP	no	14:30
HoellP	but i have 8GB myself, so i'm unlikely to run into that problem	14:30
GTRsdk	okay	14:30
HoellP	it's kinda stressfull if packages you report bugs against get updated while you write the report...	14:34
knightstalker	Chances of the bug still existing is not low	14:34
HoellP	Sadly it does	14:35
HoellP	i already commented on the report, with the new info...	14:35
HoellP	maybe now someone can answer my question from before	14:37
HoellP	how can i correctly reopen a bug that has been marked as "fix released"	14:37
HoellP	if the bug is not fixed in current dev version	14:37
knightstalker	Can you provide a Launchpad URL?	14:37
HoellP	one mom, i have to look for it	14:38
HoellP	https://bugs.launchpad.net/gtk/+bug/433651	14:39
ubottu	Launchpad bug 433651 in GTK+ "Chat window grows beyond screen bounds - no text wrap when typing in the message entry" [Low,Confirmed]	14:39
HoellP	oh no	14:40
HoellP	just tried to check with the new version, and found another bug	14:40
HoellP	this really has no end today	14:41
knightstalker	HoellP,anyways,I am not sure how to reopen a Fix Released bug,but if the problem was fixed and now its back,open a new bug with regression mark	14:43
HoellP	i would rather not do that, one report per bug seems more sensible to me	14:44
gnomie	comment on it again..	14:45
HoellP	that's what i did	14:45
* gnomie shrugs		14:45
HoellP	now i hope it's enough that it gets noticed...	14:46
gnomie	someone will be notified, then again, it might need more input than just yours	14:46
HoellP	i wanted to check for another bug i found before, and found a new one...	14:46
knightstalker	Btw,anyone tried to use Chrome's Proxy settings on Ubuntu 11.10?	14:46
gnomie	*to be reopened, that is	14:47
HoellP	gnomie, i wasn't going to do it to that report anyway, it's to big for me to mess with it	14:48
HoellP	it was more a question of principle	14:48
knightstalker	It doesn't work correctly over here,I do not know why the changed its interface in Ubuntu 11.10 at all...	14:48
knightstalker	and I am using the same chrome package anyway(installed using dpkg)	14:49
knightstalker	they*	14:49
HoellP	sry, can't help, i'm using neither chrome, nor proxies...	14:52
gnomie	HoellP: i think it sensical that if the bug still remains you should file a new report. conversely, you could contact its assignee	14:52
HoellP	I will leave it at the comment for now, if the problem persists and there is no change in the report, i will consider other steps...	14:53
HoellP	Waiting is mandatory anyways because of all the timezones involved...	14:54
knightstalker	Yeah,takes at least 24 hours for even new filed bugs to get noticed	14:54
HoellP	rofl	15:00
HoellP	it happened again...	15:00
HoellP	i report a bug, and get a crash report concerning the reporting of bugs	15:00
HoellP	this is sooo awesome ;)	15:00
gnomie	file one against !apport ..	15:01
gnomie	also, it IS YOUR day today	15:01
HoellP	i will just send in the crash report	15:01
gnomie	:D	15:01
HoellP	i know, i'm the lucky one today	15:02
knightstalker	lol	15:02
HoellP	it was kinda boring anyways the last days	15:02
HoellP	i wish i had a cookie for every bug report ;)	15:02
knightstalker	My cheese crashes,and I missed the first bug report,I can reproduce the crash,however,Apport doesn't tell me about filing the bug	15:03
knightstalker	what can be wrong?	15:03
HoellP	the reports are stored in /var/crash	15:04
knightstalker	I missed the first report(it was 14 mb),because of my internet	15:04
HoellP	you can either attach to a manually reported bug, or retrace it with apport somehow	15:04
HoellP	phew, the compiz bug is already known...	15:05
knightstalker	oh noes!	15:05
knightstalker	:p	15:05
HoellP	btw, cheese is kind of a mess too atm	15:05
HoellP	already made a report or two against it today	15:06
knightstalker	also ubuntu-bug cheese,says that cheese will open and I can reproduce the bug,however,cheese never opens	15:09
HoellP	for me it opened gst-launch with the webcam pic	15:10
HoellP	but somewhere in the background	15:10
knightstalker	so it did its job?!	15:10
knightstalker	weird	15:10
HoellP	switch through all open windows	15:10
HoellP	maybe it is hidden somewhere	15:11
HoellP	it was for me, and i had to close this window to finish the report	15:11
knightstalker	HoellP,it automatically goes to next page for me	15:11
HoellP	hmm	15:11
knightstalker	and in the end gives me an error about crash report not existant	15:11
HoellP	hm?	15:12
HoellP	that's kinda weird	15:12
HoellP	i'd just report the bug manually on launchpad and attach the old report from /var/crash	15:12
knightstalker	Cannot connect to crash database, please check your Internet connection.	15:12
knightstalker	[Errno 2] No such file or directory: '.cache/CheeseDebug.txt'	15:12
HoellP	or try to run ubuntu-bug cheese again	15:12
knightstalker	Erm,I done that multiple times,I am going to manually insert crash report =)	15:13
HoellP	seems the best way...	15:13
HoellP	as i said before, i also found at least 2 apport crashs today	15:13
gnomie	i believe apport has gotten better though	15:13
HoellP	it has	15:13
HoellP	it actually works really well most of the time	15:14
HoellP	and it saves so much typing with all the info it provides	15:14
* gnomie nods		15:14
Saviq	hmm any idea how to enable onboard in the new greeter?	15:14
HoellP	onboard what?	15:15
HoellP	hmm	15:17
Saviq	onboard the onscreen keyboard	15:17
HoellP	nope, sry	15:18
HoellP	nice!	15:18
HoellP	i'm submiting a crash that happend while submitting a crash that happened while i submitted a crash	15:19
HoellP	but now it stopped :D	15:19
Saviq	ok, looks like it's there, just not packaged yet http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~robert-ancell/unity-greeter/trunk/revision/134	15:24
Jcook_5xData	where are the user config file kept for unity? If I log into unity all I see is the wallpaper the menu bar nor panel load up my guess this config file is corrupt	15:25
unimatrix9	hello every one	15:25
HoellP	hello	15:27
unimatrix9	i tried to file a bug report on ubuntu software centre , but the launchpad say's it does not understand the data	15:27
HoellP	Jcook_5xData, have you tried a new user to confirm it's in the user config?	15:27
unimatrix9	send	15:27
Jcook_5xData	HoellP, nope, the guest account should confirm that yes!	15:28
unimatrix9	its software centre gtk that crashed, i cannot file an bug report . can some one else do it ?	15:28
unimatrix9	its the latest version ( just updated it )	15:29
unimatrix9	hmm, i lost the bug report .. some how..	15:30
unimatrix9	is there an way to retrace it on bash ?	15:30
HoellP	unimatrix9, crash reports get stored in /var/crash	15:30
unimatrix9	okey tanks	15:30
HoellP	have alook there...	15:30
HoellP	Jcook_5xData, so it does work in the guest account?	15:30
Jcook_5xData	HoellP, one sec let me check have to log out	15:31
HoellP	kk, was unsure what you meant before	15:31
HoellP	11 reports today, my new personal best ;)	15:33
knightstalker	:o,I have 14 reports in total	15:33
knightstalker	You are good :P	15:33
HoellP	I've never found so many new ones before either	15:33
HoellP	i guess this is my lucky cycle	15:34
knightstalker	:p	15:34
Jcook_5xData	HoellP, yes it does work in Guest. I think it grabbing some of the Gnome3 setting which is causing the problems	15:35
HoellP	that's unlikely... because unity uses compiz, shell uses mutter...	15:35
HoellP	i'd just wipe .config/compiz-1 .cache/compizconfig-1 .cache/unity and .compiz-1	15:36
HoellP	or move them away if you feel uncomfortable	15:37
Jcook_5xData	HoellP, I do see a .compiz-1 folder is that where it holds it configs?	15:37
Jcook_5xData	cool will do	15:37
HoellP	you can also try "unity --reset"	15:37
HoellP	but that never did help much for me	15:37
Jcook_5xData	HoellP, yea try that error on me something about a string	15:38
HoellP	just go through your configs in your home and remove everything concerning unity and compiz	15:38
unimatrix9	okey thanks i will bug report later .. <	15:38
unimatrix9	see you , God bless	15:38
unimatrix9	:)	15:38
* HoellP waves		15:38
Jcook_5xData	should be clean let me give it a shot	15:39
Jcook_5xData	HoellP, Sweet that did work thanks	15:43
HoellP	you're welcome	15:43
Jcook_5xData	now if I can figure out how to remove the menu bar across the second screen	15:44
HoellP	anyone else has the U1 config 2x in the system prefs?	15:45
HoellP	Jcook_5xData, which gpu do you use?	15:46
HoellP	i'm reporting my last bug for today, getting dizzy...	15:47
knightstalker	I think I just reproduced https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/yelp/+bug/719427	15:55
ubottu	Launchpad bug 719427 in yelp (Ubuntu) "yelp crashed with SIGSEGV in g_type_check_instance_cast()" [Medium,Incomplete]	15:55
knightstalker	In that report,it says we should try to reproduce it,and I did	15:55
knightstalker	how to merge my bug with that?	15:55
knightstalker	Btw,I didn't reproduce using Firefox4 but with Help application	15:55
HoellP	how did you reproduce it?	15:57
HoellP	anything special you did?	15:58
HoellP	yelp seems to work fine here on first glance	15:58
knightstalker	"Was testing Help Application in 11.10,Sadly,Browsing it and clicking on a link on Unity help page caused this.	15:58
knightstalker	I found out that bug #719427 can be a duplicate of this bug,but caused using Firefox,but that bug is marked as incomplete,and filer was asked to reproduce it in 11.10,so here it is,	15:58
knightstalker	Please feel free to merge this bug with the original one if its required,I don't know how to do it"	15:58
ubottu	Launchpad bug 719427 in yelp (Ubuntu) "yelp crashed with SIGSEGV in g_type_check_instance_cast()" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/719427	15:58
knightstalker	I am going to file it now	15:58
knightstalker	https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/yelp/+bug/844023	15:58
ubottu	Launchpad bug 844023 in yelp (Ubuntu) "yelp crashed with SIGSEGV in g_type_check_instance_cast()" [Undecided,New]	15:58
BluesKaj	I'll ask here too : I need to generate a PGP key for launchpad , there are tutorials on the web for ubuntu , but there's no equivalent path/application in Kubuntu ...any ideas ?	16:04
HoellP	if the tutorial is for the terminal you can use it for kubuntu as well	16:04
HoellP	everything non-gui is the same in both systems	16:05
BluesKaj	HoellP, yeah but keeps talking about gpg rather tha pgp ..is one public and the other private ?	16:06
HoellP	no	16:06
HoellP	one is opensource the other closed afaik	16:06
HoellP	basically you use gpg on every *buntu system	16:06
HoellP	gpg is also just shorter for gnupg	16:08
Jcook_5xData	HoellP, sorry lunch \| nvidia 8400GS 512mb	16:30
HoellP	no problem...	16:31
HoellP	i tried to have a look at it, but the amd cc crashes when i want to spread the desktop over the second monitor...	16:31
Jcook_5xData	HoellP, not a big deal I am sure someone will come out a tweak tool. I thought AMD were working on there linux when they bought ATI or do thing it a problem with XOrg version number	16:36
HoellP	the drivers work bearable, except video playback and gaming work much better on Nvidia	16:38
HoellP	but multi-monitoring is just broken right now	16:38
blonto	hi all, i have a problem running unity 3d in oneric, and i'm not sure what the problem is	16:40
blonto	but when i run "compit --replace" it does not start start unity-window-decorator	16:40
blonto	everything works fine however when running unity2d or unity3d with the guest account	16:41
blonto	any ideas?	16:41
jbicha	blonto: it's compiz, not compit, and you should just be able to run "unity", unity doesn't even need the normal --replace	16:44
HoellP	grml, the second time one of my reports is a duplicate of a private bug...	16:59
HoellP	how would i know about such a thing, if i can't access it?	16:59
HoellP	i could've reported another issue instead, so i just wasted time and space	17:00
VincentvandenBer	good evening	17:10
billybigrigger	howdy	17:21
h00k	Hi friends.	17:21
=== VincentvandenBer is now known as VincentvdBergh
gnomie	i want that ubuntu/dash button from 3d into unity-2d >:(	17:31
gnomie	unity-2d got the anemic one	17:32
HoellP	bugreport as wishlist?	17:33
HoellP	but that's actually the only thing to seperate the 2 right now...	17:33
gnomie	>:(>:(	17:33
HoellP	i was really having trouble to find out which i was using when i first started oneiric	17:33
gnomie	it's very easy to spot really	17:33
gnomie	just open the dash.. the highliting of icons is a dead givaway	17:34
HoellP	but basically i agree, i find the 3d button beautiful...	17:34
HoellP	not really that easy if you just boot up and don't know which you are in and cannot switch to check the other	17:35
gnomie	i just want the button	17:35
HoellP	because it falls back to 2d if 3d can't load	17:35
gnomie	i can tell without problems which one am using..	17:35
* gnomie shrugs		17:35
HoellP	after a week i could too, probably	17:35
mb55	hi	17:36
HoellP	but now i know my gpu driver works	17:36
HoellP	which i didn't after installation	17:36
HoellP	and then i did not know the difference	17:36
mb55	can someone suggest an alternative to padevchooser in oneiric?	17:36
HoellP	mb55, there is not really any afaik	17:36
HoellP	what's wrong with it?	17:36
HoellP	ah	17:37
mb55	HoellP: the padevchooser package seams to have been removed from oneiric	17:37
HoellP	i think i know ;)	17:37
HoellP	you can use pavucontrol for most of the settings i guess	17:40
HoellP	at least it's worth a try if it meets your needs	17:40
TheSimkin	i use links2 a lot for browsing from the cli	17:41
TheSimkin	is there an equivilant browser that's installed on ubuntu by default?	17:41
mb55	it really doesn't, i need a tool to easily switch pulse servers	17:42
HoellP	ok, that's something different...	17:42
jbicha	TheSimkin: w3m	17:42
HoellP	not in default install jbicha	17:43
HoellP	neither are links nor elinks or lynx...	17:43
HoellP	couldn't think of more atm	17:43
TheSimkin	what a pain	17:44
TheSimkin	i wonder why links isn't included, it is so tiny	17:44
jbicha	a cli browser isn't something that the avg user wants, but I installed something that pulls w3m in	17:45
TheSimkin	jbicha: not something the average user wants... until they can't get to their gui.	17:45
HoellP	TheSimkin, probably, because you would only use it with internet connection, and it's easy to install it then	17:45
TheSimkin	HoellP: except it's not because it's part of "universe"	17:46
HoellP	so?	17:46
jbicha	universe is enabled by default	17:46
TheSimkin	so then you need to use cli to enable universe and then apt-get update and then atp-get install links	17:46
HoellP	TheSimkin, no you don't	17:47
TheSimkin	i just did	17:47
TheSimkin	with 11.04	17:47
HoellP	as jbicha said, it's enabled	17:47
HoellP	which installation?	17:47
TheSimkin	live cd	17:47
HoellP	?	17:47
TheSimkin	x86	17:47
TheSimkin	and universe was not enabled.	17:47
jbicha	I believe live cd is different...	17:47
HoellP	that's never happened me	17:48
TheSimkin	all, so universe is not enabled on live cd	17:48
TheSimkin	but if i install it it would.	17:48
HoellP	and i installed countless times with desktop, alternate, server, netinstall, etc...	17:48
TheSimkin	maybe i should just make a custom install to a usb stick	17:48
HoellP	TheSimkin, that could be the case...	17:48
TheSimkin	if i install to a usb stick using the default install method.. will it just work ?	17:48
urlin2u	yes	17:48
HoellP	yes, but probably slowly	17:49
TheSimkin	what file system should i use?	17:49
HoellP	direct access to usb sticks is very slow for most sticks	17:49
urlin2u	TheSimkin, you would use the something else option though.	17:49
HoellP	the livesystem gets loaded into ram and is very usable because of it	17:49
TheSimkin	is there a way to get the live system + customize it ?	17:49
HoellP	TheSimkin, do you have a persistent image on the stick?	17:50
TheSimkin	i don't have it on a stick yet.	17:50
HoellP	then you can just install it/activate the repo and it keeps	17:50
BluesKaj	heh, the desktop is hidden underneath the plasma panel now ...yeah new KDE 4.7.1 really fixed the desktop alright :)	17:50
TheSimkin	nice	17:50
TheSimkin	BluesKaj: i miss 3.5.10 dearly	17:50
HoellP	TheSimkin, the only thing you can't do, is kernel updates afaik	17:50
HoellP	at least it used to be	17:51
TheSimkin	thank HoellP	17:51
HoellP	TheSimkin, i have a system installed on an external HDD, that works pretty great	17:51
TheSimkin	i'll try that out in the next few days	17:51
HoellP	even with encrypted home	17:51
BluesKaj	TheSimkin, I miss 4.4 , atleast it worked ok , even in dev	17:51
TheSimkin	BluesKaj: eh	17:51
TheSimkin	BluesKaj: i think 4.7.x is better than 4.4	17:51
TheSimkin	now they are talking about kde 5.	17:52
BluesKaj	well, TheSimkin , maybe on yours , but not here	17:52
TheSimkin	all these new desktops use so much memory	17:52
HoellP	i found KDE better with every release	17:52
HoellP	and i'm very much looking forward to KDE5	17:52
TheSimkin	I tried englightenment, it didn't seem very enlightened.	17:53
HoellP	mb55, i found pavucontrol, it was removed becaus it is not maintained for the last 3 years	17:53
HoellP	mb55, won't come back any time soon, it seems	17:54
mb55	damn	17:54
BluesKaj	HoellP, i would have agreed with you until last Fri.. the desktop wallpaper does show up at all now ..who knows where it will b e after reboot agian	17:54
HoellP	on oneiric?	17:54
BluesKaj	yes	17:54
HoellP	i haven't tried it there	17:54
BluesKaj	does not	17:54
BluesKaj	ssry	17:55
BluesKaj	bb	17:55
TheSimkin	hey guys, i hae a rather "advanced" question.	17:55
HoellP	i only have kubuntu natty installed	17:55
nperry	Hmm, seem to have lost Ubuntu Beta Mono font :s	17:55
TheSimkin	because of the way ubuntu binds everything to the 'partition/drive id' i can't clone machines by just "rsynching" them any more.	17:55
HoellP	which works very unspectacular	17:55
TheSimkin	is there a tool i can run to update all of the disk ids?	17:55
TheSimkin	or to install using the partition names/paths (/dev/sda1)	17:56
HoellP	TheSimkin, you do install with the path	17:56
TheSimkin	HoellP: not really, if i clone a ubuntu machine in this fashion it says it can't find the boot drives	17:56
TheSimkin	and never works.	17:56
TheSimkin	i tried changing grub	17:56
TheSimkin	but there where other failures...	17:56
HoellP	TheSimkin, after the cloning i would update /etc/fstab by hand	17:56
HoellP	that's all it needs afaik	17:56
TheSimkin	hmm	17:57
TheSimkin	so grub and fstab	17:57
TheSimkin	i think i changed those and still had problems, but i will try again.	17:57
HoellP	grub has it's own handling of the disks	17:57
HoellP	but then again, i never cloned anything, i just did some repartitioning	17:57
HoellP	and had to correct the uuids afterwards	17:57
HoellP	which was no problem at all	17:58
HoellP	if you have a live-system, that is	17:58
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HoellP	hmm	17:59
HoellP	can anyone give paprefs a quick check?	17:59
HoellP	everything is deactivated for me...	17:59
BluesKaj	well, now at least the wallpaper covers 70% or so of the scrn ...must be thankful for small mercies :)	18:00
TheSimkin	BluesKaj: using kde? can't you set it to scale + crop?	18:00
BluesKaj	no effect TheSimkin	18:00
TheSimkin	BluesKaj: how odd	18:01
TheSimkin	BluesKaj: can you send me a screen shot?	18:01
vince	Hi guys ? Is anyone testing 11.10 at the moment ? I'm having trouble with gnome-shell. Whenever I try to open a gnome-shell session (as opposed to Unity Ubuntu), I get the same error message over and over again: failed to load sessions 'gnome'. I'm stuck at the Lightdm screen :/	18:01
=== ubot93 is now known as nyuszika7h
TheSimkin	vince: what happens if you select the failsafe option?	18:03
vince	TheSimkin, How do I do that ?	18:04
TheSimkin	i'd hvae to logout to check.. and i can't right now :(	18:04
TheSimkin	but i beleive it is one of the boot up menu options. at least for me.	18:04
vince	I'll try on a virtual machine	18:05
vince	:)	18:05
urlin2u	failsafe is in the firts gui of the recovery	18:05
vince	ouch	18:05
urlin2u	first*	18:05
vince	which key should I press ?	18:05
vince	to get the recovery menu ?	18:05
HoellP	mb55, have you seen http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1765526	18:06
HoellP	mb55, maybe that helps	18:06
BluesKaj	HoellP, http://wstaw.org/m/2011/09/07/snapshot18.png	18:11
HoellP	wow, what chaos ;)	18:12
HoellP	have you tried with other wallpapers and other settings?	18:12
billybigrigger	BluesKaj, THAT is kde these days???? :O	18:14
billybigrigger	:P	18:14
urlin2u	vince, recovery is in the grub menu.	18:14
billybigrigger	sexaaaay!	18:14
HoellP	that's kde win-style ;)	18:14
BluesKaj	HoellP, several times each day ...but you know what they say about ppl who keep doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result :)	18:14
HoellP	i usually have my kde in gnome style...	18:14
HoellP	or even unity style	18:14
HoellP	BluesKaj, :D	18:15
billybigrigger	that dock isn't stock for kde is it?	18:15
HoellP	that's no dock	18:15
HoellP	that's just the standard panel	18:15
BluesKaj	not a gnome fan ..but I'm definitely considering it now	18:15
billybigrigger	really, that's really new	18:15
billybigrigger	they didnt have that in 4.5 last time i tried it	18:15
HoellP	billybigrigger, that is just a panel with shortcuts	18:15
BluesKaj	the panel's been around sindce plasma was intro'd	18:16
HoellP	exactly as it has been since 4.0	18:16
BluesKaj	yup	18:16
billybigrigger	ya but the panel in 4.5 was ugly, and it stretched across your whole monitor	18:16
HoellP	only if set to do so	18:16
qzio	is there some trick to get sound in skype. (64bit 11.10) I installed the i386 package as specified in some blogs...	18:16
billybigrigger	i never got into kde too much, so tweaking wasn't my thing :)	18:16
HoellP	we notice ;)	18:16
billybigrigger	BluesKaj, is that picture taken in scotland	18:17
billybigrigger	?	18:17
HoellP	kde is so variable, that you can't deduce what it can do, just by looking at one screenshot	18:17
vince	urlin2u, I don't see any grub menu since Ubuntu comes into play right after the boot	18:17
BluesKaj	it's configurable ...I like across the bottom ..where it belongs ...the pic is from bavaria , the Black Forest ...it's in the wallpapers for kde	18:17
urlin2u	vince tap shift or any key at start to get the grub menu.	18:18
unimatrix9	hello all	18:18
unimatrix9	i might need new glasses, or ubuntu software centre ( oneric with updates of today ) is showing all pakcages dubble	18:19
vince	urlin2u, Thanks, I didn't know that	18:20
unimatrix9	tried bug reporting, failed somehow aswell	18:20
HoellP	unimatrix9, i had that too after installation of oneiric. i had to remove the package cache for it to work normal again	18:20
HoellP	if you wait a mom, i look up the file names	18:20
unimatrix9	crashing software centre, battery indicator dissappeared ..	18:21
urlin2u	vince, if you only have ubuntu it bypasses the grub menu without a key prompt, hehe, no problem.	18:21
HoellP	unimatrix9, there is a crash report, which you should submit...	18:21
vince	Still, can't load session 'gnome'	18:21
HoellP	unimatrix9, most of the time there will already be a report, but sometimes it's new	18:21
vince	that's unfortunate because I don't like Unity.	18:22
urlin2u	vince, are you updated completely?	18:22
vince	I've got gnome-shell and its dependencies + gnome-session installed	18:22
vince	Yes I totally up to date	18:23
HoellP	unimatrix9, try "sudo rm /var/cache/apt/pkgcache.bin /var/cache/apt/srcpkgcache.bin"	18:23
urlin2u	vince, I had the same problem until I just reinstalled the same set up, now both DE work fine .	18:23
unimatrix9	okey	18:23
HoellP	and then apt-get update again	18:23
vince	Since, Fresh install I'm guessing ?	18:24
vince	*so	18:24
urlin2u	vince, yeah, I think many forget that in development the official testers run new snapshots regularly	18:25
vince	urlin2u, have you installed with the B1 or the daily ?	18:25
urlin2u	vince, the daily after the B1	18:25
unimatrix9	i am missing the gnome-battery monitor ( on the gnome menu ) is there an way to get it back ?	18:25
vince	because i've been using the daily for 6 or 7 days	18:26
vince	maybe more, wasn't in the beta stage yet	18:26
unimatrix9	ubuntu software centre starts okey, but the packages are still dubble entry	18:26
urlin2u	vince, you can save alist of the installs and the sources list as well.	18:26
=== yofel_ is now known as yofel
HoellP	unimatrix9, check your /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ for any double entries	18:26
unimatrix9	ccms is creating crashes too	18:27
HoellP	unimatrix9, yes, it does, that's known	18:27
urlin2u	compiz was upgraded yesterday as well.	18:27
unimatrix9	i did upgrade just on hour ago	18:27
unimatrix9	or update	18:27
vince	yes, so did I	18:28
unimatrix9	sorry	18:28
vince	still not working	18:28
unimatrix9	true	18:28
HoellP	lol	18:28
HoellP	i just removed my collection of skydomes...	18:28
HoellP	i can't even remember how long i haven't even used the cube...	18:28
vince	urlin2u, Thanks for your help, I'll stick to 10.10 until the final release of Oneric	18:28
vince	I installed 11.04, was a bloody mess :/	18:29
HoellP	vince, why would you use oneiric anyway if not to report bugs?	18:29
urlin2u	vince, it can be a hassle unless you're really into it. :D	18:29
unimatrix9	there is no refresh in ubuntu software center ?	18:29
vince	HoellP, I was rather curious about Gnome3, that's all.	18:30
vince	and gnome-shell more precisely	18:30
unimatrix9	okey the dubble entry is gone	18:30
vince	(Yes, I gave Fedora a try but my AMD graphic chip didn't quite like the design...)	18:31
unimatrix9	i just disabled some sources and its okey then	18:31
HoellP	vince, i see, still, a beta release i probably not giving the correct impression	18:31
HoellP	-i	18:31
unimatrix9	the 'third party sources` i think created the dubble entry	18:32
vince	Yes you're right.	18:32
vince	I think it's going in the right direction though. Except for I can't run gnome-shell haha	18:33
HoellP	:D	18:33
HoellP	sorry can't help, got my hands full testing unity atm	18:33
BluesKaj	HoellP, seems there are settings on my /home partition that are causing this problem .. I did an experiment and installed the beta to my / partition without specifing a home partition at the partitioning phase ,,,I ended up with a perfectly fine beta install with no Kwin or plasma problems . The I reinstalled again but this time I specified the /home partition in the partioning phase and I ended up with same problem , once the install was done ..	18:33
unimatrix9	its only the 'elite'that can run it .. :P	18:33
almoxarife	what's the sane simple way to get rid of the universal access icon??	18:33
BluesKaj	there has to be some config file(s) that are corrupted	18:33
HoellP	will give the shell a spin soon i guess	18:33
vince	Funny thing, I managed to make it work for like 10 minutes, then an update came up, then nothing haha	18:33
almoxarife	what's the sane simple way to get rid of the universal access icon?? from shell	18:33
HoellP	BluesKaj, seems plausible	18:34
HoellP	BluesKaj, like so often, keeping home is not always carefree	18:34
unimatrix9	any one know where the unity conif files are located ?	18:34
unimatrix9	config '	18:34
HoellP	i suggest you move it away, let it create a new clean home and then only copy back what you need	18:34
HoellP	i do that every 2-3 releases	18:35
BluesKaj	gonna copy a few new files over to my backup pc and do a fresh install	18:35
unimatrix9	create an nwe user might make an new config	18:35
HoellP	unimatrix9, wait	18:35
HoellP	my comment was for BluesKaj	18:35
HoellP	not that you do something unnecessary here ;)	18:35
vince	almoxarife, http://www.webupd8.org/2011/05/how-to-remove-keyboard-indicator-icon.html	18:35
HoellP	unimatrix9, but you are actually looking for compiz settings	18:36
HoellP	you find them in .compiz-1 .confg/compiz-1 .cache/compiz-1 if i'm not missing something	18:36
unimatrix9	okey heading for that location now .. ±)	18:36
HoellP	just look through your home and move everything away that is called compiz or unity	18:37
HoellP	even deleting is not really a problem, because when you log in a clean config gets created	18:37
almoxarife	vince: that's not the icon I need to remove, I have the 'univeral access' icon on shell, someones idea of feel good PC do good	18:38
=== HoellP is now known as HoellP\|away
unimatrix9	is there a way ( bash ) to start gnome battery monitor ?	18:42
jakemp	My wireless seems to be working again	19:48
jakemp	=D	19:48
=== HoellP\|away is now known as HoellP
HoellP	Anyone knows, why oneiric tries to turn off my monitor while i'm watching a movie?	20:02
HoellP	and how i can prevent it, without deactivating the auto-off.	20:02
HoellP	i'm using VLC btw, because totem is even worse at video playback	20:03
HoellP	and even vlc is not perfectly smooth...	20:03
HoellP	damn AMD drivers	20:03
jakemp	I can't find a menu to shutdown/reboot/ sleep, etc.	20:14
HoellP	Top right corner?	20:25
FernandoMiguel	evening	20:40
bullgard4_	HoellP: "[22:02]<HoellP>Anyone knows, why oneiric tries to turn off my monitor while i'm watching a movie?" <-- /var/log/dmesg.0 should provide a clue.	20:52
RRRRube	HoellP, is it just the sleep mode/screensaver kicking in? Could you try disabling that?	20:53
HoellP	bullgard4_, nope, nothing, the messages stop after boot is completed	20:57
HoellP	RRRRube, it is the monitor dimming which you can configure in the system prefs	20:58
HoellP	section Display(?)	20:58
HoellP	where you also can set if the monitor should lock	20:58
HoellP	you can not disable this feature	20:58
HoellP	hmpf, the theme just crashed as well...	20:59
RRRRube	HoellP, You can change some settings under "Power" in System settings. Have you looked in there?	21:00
RRRRube	HoellP, There was an app called Caffeine that inhibited screensaver/power saving but I'm not sure if it's still available or works in Oneiric. Maybe try googling it?	21:01
HoellP	that's only for system standby as i see it	21:01
HoellP	nothing to do with the monitor	21:01
HoellP	the setting is in section personal called display or monitor (Bildschirm	21:02
HoellP	in german)	21:02
HoellP	but you can only set the time from 1 min in steps to 1hr	21:02
HoellP	no disable	21:02
HoellP	caffeine is not in the repos at least	21:02
HoellP	this is nothing i'd be willing to install an external application btw	21:03
HoellP	this has to work ootb	21:03
RRRRube	My Display option in System Settings doesn't even let me disable it!! (It really bugs me how so much functionality is being removed)	21:03
robin0800	RRRRube, I think you can't stop this and its little things like this that really need fixing in unity	21:03
HoellP	RRRRube, that's what i said, you can't disable it	21:05
HoellP	and the display dims during the movie	21:05
HoellP	which is extremely annoying	21:05
RRRRube	Well, I'm in Gnome shell at the moment. I'm never quite sure what features come under Ubuntu or Unity and what are Gnome. Surely they're going to add a screensaver utility before the final release? (cos you can usually stop the monitor switching off there)	21:05
HoellP	this is not a screensaver	21:06
HoellP	and G3 dropped the screensaver anyway	21:06
HoellP	this is display powersaving	21:06
HoellP	kinda similar to the bug that plagues kubuntu's default video player since 2 years or so	21:07
RRRRube	Well, Caffeine is the only thing I can suggest. They have a PPA. I know it's maybe not what you're looking for, but this is their launchpad page if you want to check it out: https://launchpad.net/caffeine	21:10
HoellP	i will try it at least	21:12
HoellP	anyone checked for a bug report	21:12
HoellP	there is no oneiric package for caffeine...	21:13
HoellP	also, it is a panel applet, i'm pretty sure that won't work too well in Unity	21:15
HoellP	anyone knows against which package i could report this?	21:19
HoellP	gnome-control-center, the video player?	21:19
reya276	Is there any way to change icon themes in 11.10 beta?	21:25
robin0800	reya276, gnome-tweak-settings	21:26
mongy	gnome-tweak-tool	21:26
reya276	is that a terminal command?	21:26
mongy	a package	21:26
reya276	oh I have to install that	21:27
reya276	ok	21:27
mongy	I know, using an app classed as tweaking advanced settings to change the font and icons is a bit much	21:27
robin0800	reya276, it will appear as advanced settings when installed	21:27
mongy	serious fail on gnome3's part	21:27
reya276	also can I install Gnome Shell?	21:27
HoellP	mongy, does that work for unity's icons as well?	21:28
mongy	yes	21:28
HoellP	i really don't wanna install a new DE just to change the icons...	21:28
mongy	reya276, it installs gnome-shell also I believe. you use it for both	21:28
HoellP	seems excessive	21:28
mongy	its not really a huge install.	21:28
mongy	install, set , remove	21:28
HoellP	lol	21:29
HoellP	not likely...	21:29
mongy	there isnt much extra to install tbh. try it	21:29
HoellP	i can do with the default icons	21:29
HoellP	i know, that's a thing of principle...	21:29
reya276	yeah, not me I hate those Icons, needs me some Faenza	21:29
reya276	ok I installed that package but no Advance Settings under the main System Settings	21:31
robin0800	reya276, its an app	21:32
reya276	ah ok	21:34
HoellP	i'm off for today	21:37
HoellP	see you guys, have a good night	21:37
reya276	how can I choose to run Gnome-Shell or enable it?	21:38
robin0800	reya276, from the login screen	21:39
reya276	Nope, all I get is Ubuntu and Ubuntu 2D	21:39
robin0800	reya276, well it's not installed then it will be there afterwards	21:40
mb55	is there a way to get the old and useful system settings back?	21:41
robin0800	mb55, don't think so	21:42
mb55	hmm, then oneiric is probably the worst release yet	21:43
jtaylor	no one forces you to use it	21:43
robin0800	mb55, what are you missing?	21:43
Machtin	anyone got skype running on 64bit?	21:45
jtaylor	yes	21:45
mb55	most of the appearence settings (colors, fonts), the sound settings (sound profiles, login/etc. sounds), power settings (close laptop lid) for starters	21:45
jtaylor	you need to enable multiarach and install the 32 bit version	21:45
jtaylor	or the "64bit" version + a bunch of 32 bit libraries	21:45
Machtin	okay	21:46
Machtin	dpkg: warning: parsing file '/var/lib/dpkg/available' near line 34801 package 'mac-3.99-u4:i386':	21:48
robin0800	mb55, themes.fonts icons and power settings ... gnome-tweak-tool	21:49
Machtin	error in Version string 'b3-1': version number does not start with digit <- that's the error.	21:49
Machtin	I'm pretty sure multiarch is enabled.	21:49
jtaylor	whats that for a package it complains about?	21:52
jtaylor	there is no mac in the archive, some broken ppa?	21:52
Machtin	that's when I do dpkg -i skype<tab> and the skype-package is from the skype-page	21:52
jtaylor	yes that has nothing to do with skype, the dpkg data is corrupted	21:53
Machtin	hm.	21:53
jtaylor	oh its only a warning? you can probably ignore it then	21:53
Machtin	ah, read "error" in the second line	21:53
Machtin	but well, you're right.	21:53
Machtin	hm.	21:54
Machtin	still: bash: /usr/bin/skype: No such file or directory	21:54
jtaylor	you should be able to remove that file and do a new update, maybe that fixes the issue (assuming its not coming from a broken ppa)	21:55
jtaylor	make a backup though	21:55
Machtin	hm, apt-get/aptitude upgrade doesn't create that file on its own.	21:58
jtaylor	does installing skype work now?	21:59
Machtin	nah, it lacks the available-file	21:59
Machtin	however, there's an update-avail-option in dpkg	21:59
jtaylor	for i in /var/lib/apt/lists/*Packages: do sudo dpkg --update-avail $i; done should restore it	22:05
Machtin	i can cat /usr/bin/skype, but /usr/bin/skype says "no such file or directory"	22:07
jtaylor	you have to install skype first	22:07
Machtin	well, i did	22:08
Machtin	there's that error, but dpkg doesn't throw any errors	22:08
jtaylor	which error?	22:08
Machtin	the one i pasted: "error in Version string 'b3-1': version number does not start with digit"	22:09
Machtin	but for dpkg that's only a warning as you pointed out	22:09
jtaylor	which ppas are you ising?	22:09
Machtin	uhm.	22:09
Machtin	how to tell?	22:09
jtaylor	check the file which package has this invalid version string	22:09
Machtin	o.O	22:12
Machtin	Description: Monkey's Audio for Ubuntu 6.10	22:13
alex_mayorga	any horror stories on recent dist-upgrades?	22:15
octe	yes	22:15
octe	or rather, lots of stuff seems broken atm..	22:15
alex_mayorga	octe: sorry to hear, thanks in the warning :)	22:15
octe	i installed the beta yesterday on my work computer and everything worked fine	22:16
octe	isntalled it tonight on my home computer and lots of stuff isn't installable	22:16
octe	can't install ubuntu-desktop due to dependency problems	22:16
alex_mayorga	odd, I've been pretty much OK since alpha1 or 2 IIRC	22:17
* alex_mayorga knocks on wood		22:17
octe	hehe	22:17
alex_mayorga	today I'm having apport appearing over and over, but not sending out a report :S	22:18
octe	and the nvidia properitery driver doesn't really work, the nouveau driver is always built into the initramfs and loaded	22:18
octe	i didn't find a way of fixing that except actually removing the .ko-file and rebuilding the initramfs	22:18
alex_mayorga	nouveau has been rock solid on my nvidia card so far	22:20
octe	so the plan with the new multiarch support is to not have a ia32-libs / lib32*-packages upon release?	22:20
octe	yeah, nouveau is great except for games :(	22:20
alex_mayorga	hedgewars works fine ;)	22:21
octe	hehe :)	22:21
BluesKaj	octe: depends on your nvidia card , but the nvidia-current driver should work on most cards fromm the 6XXX series and up.	22:21
octe	BluesKaj, you mean nouveau?	22:22
BluesKaj	no	22:22
octe	nvidia-current seems broken now...	22:22
BluesKaj	nouveau is merely the std default	22:22
BluesKaj	not here	22:22
octe	as i said, nouveau gets built into the initrd and loaded at boot	22:22
octe	which conflicts with the nvidia module	22:22
BluesKaj	yeah, so , the nvidia-current is optional in addtional drivers / jockey	22:23
octe	https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/initramfs-tools/+bug/815803 found a bug about it even	22:23
ubottu	Launchpad bug 815803 in initramfs-tools (Ubuntu) "nouveau driver included in initramfs even though it has been blacklisted by nvidia-current" [Undecided,Confirmed]	22:23
octe	BluesKaj, you're confusing me.	22:23
octe	installing nvidia-current needs to prevent nouveau from being loaded since they conflict with eachother	22:24
BluesKaj	octe: admin>additional drivers , choose the recommended driver and it will install replacing the nouveau , then a restart is required	22:25
octe	BluesKaj, i can't even get there since i can't install ubuntu-desktop ;-(	22:25
octe	i just installed the nvidia-current packages.	22:25
octe	what else does jockey do?	22:25
BluesKaj	octe: oh sorry to hear that	22:25
octe	if it works by doing it the jockey way, jockey must be doing something extra	22:26
yofel	octe: jockey installs the driver and creates an xorg.conf, nothing more	22:28
yofel	if nouveau is loaded with the nvidia driver installed that's a bug	22:29
octe	strange that it seems to work for other people, since the bug i found is from july	22:29
BluesKaj	octe: not really . if you install nvidia-current from the prompt , it will do the same as jockey , but gdm has to be stopped first	22:29
yofel	uh no, you don't need to stop gdm to install nvidia-current	22:30
octe	yofel, if nvidia-current is installed, is nouveau supposed to be built into the initfs?	22:30
yofel	you need to reboot after it to use it though	22:30
octe	yes..	22:31
yofel	octe: well, having it in initramfs breaks nvidia-current, so I hope not	22:31
yofel	octe: add 'nomodeset' to the kernel command line	22:31
yofel	that'll make nvidia work even with noveau loaded since it turns KMS off	22:32
octe	ah, i'll do that instead.	22:32
Machtin	jtaylor: got it :)	22:33
octe	http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=ZJMBev56 <- bug then?	22:33
yofel	bug IMO	22:34
Machtin	night guys!	22:34
octe	how does update-initramfs decide which modules get added? i've tried changing MODULES to either "dep" or "most" in initramfs.conf, makes no difference	22:35
basso	hello	22:59
FernandoMiguel	BluesKaj: yofel http://theoatmeal.com/comics/senior_year	22:59
basso	anyone running gnome-shell with nvidia prop drivers?	22:59
basso	anyone with nvidia want to install gnome-shell and check for vertical tearing?	22:59
basso	because i get vertical tearing when viewing videos in gnome-shell, unity is fine, but gnome-shell is evil :(	23:00
bjsnider	basso, only in videos?	23:25
basso	bjsnider: its all the time, but its easier to spot it on videos, i can for instans just movie the nautilus window around and see the same tearing	23:25
BluesKaj	the toolbar containing file , sdit etc is missing from Dolphin, there doesn't seem to be an option in configure dolphin to add it ...any suggestions?	23:49
BluesKaj	file , edit etc	23:49

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