[01:03] Morning! I'm using oneiric, and I'd like thunder can minimize to systray or some kind of that. any suggestion? [01:13] Stanley00, I installed gconf-editor although deprecated, it will put the buttons back on the windows if you want. [01:14] urlin2u: can you be more specs, which keys should I change? [01:15] in gonf editor-desktop-shell is a place to add the minimizw ans maximize buttons. [01:16] urlin2u: thanks, I will look at it now [01:17] http://www.khattam.info/howto-add-minimize-maximizerestore-buttons-in-gnome-3-2011-05-26.html [01:17] this helps [01:18] urlin2u: or, sorry, maybe you misunderstood,.. [01:18] urlin2u: I'd like thunder bird can minimize to systray or some kind of that. sorry, mistyping... [01:18] I was not sure but having a minimize button on the window seemed a conmpromize. [01:22] urlin2u: I tried looking for an add-on but there isn't for thunder bird 7.0... [01:23] never seen one as you describe, myself [01:24] Stanley00: there used to be such an addon, but it's unmaintained [01:25] micahg: hmm, I think it's a very helpful add-on, can you tell me where I can find it? [01:26] Stanley00: it won't work with thunderbird 7 [01:26] micahg: hmm, what's a pity! [02:34] hey, since evolution is no longer default, is there going to be another calendar program included in oneiric? [02:54] SirFunk: how about reminderFox add-on in thunderbird? [03:10] Stanley00: that's really not a replacement for evolution [03:16] SirFunk: just install Evolution then, it still integrates with the messaging menu [03:28] jbicha: heh, well i never liked/used evolution... I was just hoping that in removing evolution (with calendar) there was some planned alternative that was better than evolution [03:36] SirFunk: it's hoped that Ubuntu 12.04 will have some sort of calendar built-in, perhaps Lightning [03:47] jbicha: nice. Lightning isn't bad.. perhaps integration is what i'm missing in it.. looking forward to that [03:53] say, what do I need to do to get a Novatel wwan card ( Bus 003 Device 003: ID 1410:8000 Novatel Wireless [03:53] ) to work? [03:53] That is, to at let me try dialing with networkmanager, OR to at the very least give me GPS. [04:33] Hmm, so, I can connect to the WWAN network, but I can't get to anywhere. [04:33] Any traffic trying to go anywhere results in ICMP "Network Unreachable" from a host that's neither the gateway nor the DNS server nor anything else obvious. [04:35] DanaG, dumb question, but it's not localhost? [04:40] [GNOME 3] Since yesterday's upgrade my "Super" key is unfunctional when resuming from suspend state or or using LibreOffice for a while. What package should I report this error against? I do not obtain any error message. [04:42] I need to restart the computer in order that the Super key re-appears. [04:42] bullgard4_, logging out and in doesn't restore it? [04:44] does the oneiric installer kernel support xen pvops? [04:44] or is the recommended way to install it, still to use debootstrap [04:45] i have downloaded the alternate install iso, assuming there was a kernel and initrd i could boot with xen [04:45] cwillu_at_work: nope. the ICMP sender is 172.x; the network is 10.x; the gateway is 68.x. [04:45] 68 is public; the others are private. [04:46] DanaG, your ip is? [04:46] 10.117.22.234. [04:47] could be a misconfigured dhcp server [04:47] It's a Sprint 3G card yanked from a Kindle. [04:47] So, it may very well be blocked. [04:47] heh [04:47] But the IP configuration seems weird. [04:47] I didn't know there was a usable piece of equipment you could nab out of one of those [04:47] 68.28.50.91/92 are the gateways. [04:47] I must resist the urge to take mine apart :p [04:47] http://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Amazon-Kindle-2-Teardown/624/2 [04:48] er [04:48] http://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Amazon-Kindle-2-Teardown/624/ [04:48] that's page 1. [04:48] cwillu_at_work: '~sudo service lightdm restart' in a virtual console sometimes restores GNOME 3 and sometimes not. [04:48] Shows up as Bus 003 Device 003: ID 1410:8000 Novatel Wireless [04:48] Oh yeah, lightdm seems to die, and leave behind an X server. [04:48] So I can't restart lightdm. [04:48] ah, I've got a kindle3 [04:48] And logging in gives me blank. [04:49] I should probably try the card in the Kindle itself. [04:51] nobody uses xen anymore? :p [04:52] snadge, I let my vps provider deal with that stuff [04:52] your vps provider still has to try and install oneiric eventually ;) [04:52] cwillu_at_work: Please tell me what program package should I report this error against in Launchpad? [04:53] snadge, hardly [04:53] Okay, so it works fine in the Kindle itself. [04:53] bullgard4_, singularity-music [04:54] bullgard4_, more seriously, I don't really know, although if you pick off xorg-input or something, it's not a big deal; it'll get reassigned as necessary [04:58] cwillu_at_work: hm. [05:00] ahh ok http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/oneiric/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/xen/ [05:00] handy to know that exists ;) [05:01] argh, stupid gnome 3... has only two brightness levels. [05:01] High, and low. [05:01] DanaG, I predict revolt within a year [05:02] I see... Amazon uses a proxy. [05:03] Cool. Maybe then I'll be able to use the card. [05:03] anyway, off to get ready for bed. [05:13] [GNOME 3] Yesterday there was a huge update of ~180 MB via UpdateManager. Why does this update not reflect in Synaptic's history? [05:14] big one today as well. [05:15] twice [05:17] really? [05:17] damn proxy must be screwing me over [05:17] All I have is gnome-control-center which has a broken dependency [05:24] cwillu_at_work: A revolt against what? [05:24] gnome3 [05:24] gnome-shell in particular [05:24] Ah! [05:25] cwillu_at_work: I cannot confirm your prediction. I hav been using GNOME 3 since Oneiric Alpha 2 and had no major problems until yesterday. [05:25] +e [05:26] 3.1.90 has just been pushed out yeah? [05:27] it broke fedora too [05:29] snadge: What package do you speak about specifically? [05:29] gdm possibly gnome-shell [05:31] oneiric installs beautifully in xen, using the latest nightly.. you have to manually load the xen net driver for it to detect network, otherwise fine [05:31] snadge: Current gnome-shell version is 3.1.4-0ubuntu2. [05:31] fedora is a bit more psycho then.. they are also using kernel 3.1.0 rc4 [05:32] fedora releases a month and a half after us this cycle [05:33] ironically i started messing around with f16 to see what the latest gnome 3 shell was like [05:34] just getting to a point where i could use it was difficult enough.. but, that was my first experience with gnome 3 and i liked it [05:34] being able to choose between that, and unity, in a more stable environment does sound preferable though [06:42] good morning [06:42] there is a worrie with desktop icon no ? [06:44] http://i.imgur.com/5xOXU.png it looks too small im thinking === M0hi is now known as IAmNotThatGuy [07:41] LibreOffice 3.4 crashes when performing the task suggested in http://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6924 and writes: "A report of the crash was created to help us to identify the reason why LibreOffice crashed. Click 'Next' to get to the Error Reporting Tool. When clicking 'next' this old window disappears and no new window appears. How to proceed? [07:43] zniavre: The "Desktop" icon is a bit small in my GNOME 3 too. [08:20] hi all, after resuming from suspend, ubuntu managed to completely turn off (or break, as the symptoms are the same) my backlight [08:21] any ideas what I might try and poke to get it back? [08:22] I tried booting to windows, upgrading the BIOS, resetting it to the defaults, nothing :/ [08:22] it's a Dell laptop, btw [08:25] Saviq, kind of drastic responses to try and get a OS in development to suspend, has earlier releases supended? [08:26] have* [08:26] urlin2u: no earlier releases were installed on it, tbh, but it suspended fine multiple times [08:27] Saviq, are you a new open source user? [08:27] no, actually the opposite, and that's why I have the dev version running [08:28] Saviq, cool I figured not, well I had some problems that a fresh install fixed, the beta1 has I forget what exactly stuff turned on that were off in the alpha stages. [08:29] you can save the installed apps to a file and reload them to a fresh install that is what I did. [08:33] yeah anyway... that's what I have the next day service for [08:33] new screen incoming [08:34] Anyone got ELF header smaller than expected on boot? [08:37] Hi [08:38] Will totem stay default video player in oneiric ? [08:39] chand: yes [08:39] yes === KNUBBIG_ is now known as KNUBBIG [08:40] we dont see totem 3.1.x package [08:41] any idea why ? [08:41] chand: its 3.0.1 [08:43] popey, yes but all other gnome 3.1.X have been uploaded to follow gnome 3.2 development [08:43] i see debian has totem 3.0.1 also === chrisccoulson_ is now known as chrisccoulson === KNUBBIG is now known as KNUBBIG_ === KNUBBIG_ is now known as KNUBBIG === KNUBBIG is now known as KNUBBIG_ === jason is now known as Guest81298 === Guest81298 is now known as jasef [11:38] Hello, i need a hint against which packages i should report a bug [11:39] the problem is between empathy and the messaging menu... [11:39] can anyone tell me on which side of the two the connection is made, so i can select the correct package to report against? [11:42] !info telepathy-indicator [11:42] telepathy-indicator (source: telepathy-indicator): Desktop service to integrate Telepathy with the messaging menu.. In component main, is optional. Version 0.0.6-0ubuntu1 (oneiric), package size 7 kB, installed size 72 kB [11:42] not sure if that is what you need [11:42] me neither actually [11:43] the problem is, if i set empathy to auto start at boot, it shows up, but the status switcher in the messaging menu is deactivated (greyed out) [11:43] i have to close empathy, and start again for it to work [11:43] HoellP: file against empathy and it should get triaged to the right package if that isn't it. [11:43] this only happens if i start it via startup applications [11:43] alright, will do that === M0hi is now known as IAmNotThatGuy [12:23] are these safe to remove? console-terminus gnome-icon-theme-extras ntfsprogs [12:24] well dont care about the icons [12:25] libx264-116 is the problem. not sure if they should be removed due to impementing them into the libx264-116 instead of depends on them [12:25] console-terminus is not a package, it's part of console-setup which is marked important [12:25] i wouldn't do that... [12:27] gnomefreak@Development:~$ show console-terminus [12:27] Package: console-terminus [12:28] apt-cache show console-terminus [12:28] N: Can't select versions from package 'console-terminus' as it is purely virtual [12:29] console-terminus is already the newest version. :( [12:29] and aptitude show says that "console-terminus" is provided by package "console-setup" [12:29] yes it does [12:30] i don't understand what you mean then... [12:30] but nevertheless, you should NOT remove console-setup afaik [12:32] after latest updates network manager won't connect to mobile broadband gnomeppp works however is there a bug report? [12:33] robin0800: search launchpad yourself will probably be faster, then get someone here to search for your [12:37] [GNOME 3] '~$ LANG=C sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree; E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages." Is the only solution to wait for the future? [12:38] try sudo apt-get install -f [12:38] and then sudo dpkg configure -a [12:42] HoellP: This -f switch ends in 'E: Package 'nspluginviewer' has no installation candidate'.' [12:42] i also don't have that package available [12:43] but there is nspluginwrapper available, maybe there is some transition going on [12:43] you have a 64bit system? [12:43] I have some problems with Window Theme in Gnome shell...,any ideas? [12:43] HoellP: But have you managed to install flashplugin-nonfree? [12:43] Yes, 64-bit system. [12:43] i use the native 64bit plug in [12:44] available from ppa:sevenmachines/flash [12:44] that is : and s [12:44] damn smilies [12:44] the package is called flashplugin64-installer [12:44] Ah! I thought I better wait until I do not have to rely on PPAs. [12:45] i'm unsure if version 11 will be ready for oneiric release. but it doesn't matter much because all flash installers only d/l the plug in from adeobe servers anyway [12:45] it has RC1 state now and works pretty well here, definitely better than the 32bit plug in with wrapper [12:46] HoellP: That's what others told me too. [12:46] G'Day all [12:46] and a good day to you sir [12:47] HoellP: I am in no hurry and can wait until the end of October, 2011. Then I will reconsider the matter. -- Thank you for commenting. [12:48] you're welcome [12:51] hi HoellP [12:53] * BluesKaj begins to wonder whether the plasma desktop is the prob here, ...looks much like Kwin but I'm not sure [12:56] Hmm, i'm running out of bugs to report... [12:56] * HoellP searches deeper [12:58] got another one :D [13:01] Hi. I'm testing beta1 and would like to look at the source code for a specific package. What deb-src URL do I use (in my /etc/apt/sources.list) for this? Thanks. [13:01] depends on the package... [13:01] specifically, in which repo the package lives [13:02] OK. It's the command-not-found-0.2.43ubuntu1 package. [13:02] Sorry if this is newbie question ... [13:02] no worries, everyone starts sometime... [13:03] i'm pretty sure that package is in main [13:04] so, the easiest way, is to start software-properties and activate source repos in the first tab [13:04] OK. I see. Sorry, I confused myself ... I've got the TGZ by means of apt-get source. [13:05] that's the default way [13:05] didn't you get the source? [13:05] I'm testing chinese input in beta1 and found that command-not-found is throwing a Unicode exception. [13:05] I wanted to grab the python source code to find the root cause. Maybe even the fix. [13:05] apt-get source does get the source.... [13:06] and it does for me... [13:06] look for the folder in the dir where you ran the command [13:06] I'm confused. [13:08] how come postgres 9.1 start on a random port each time? [13:08] I've set it to port 5432 in /etc/postgres/9.1/main/postgres.conf [13:08] and netstat don't show any apps using that port [13:09] google gravity wa fun for 7 seconds [13:11] mongy: +1 ;) [13:14] updates today? [13:16] wow, empathy's irc implementation is totally broken... [13:19] certainly not designed with irc in mind. then again none said it was an irc client really; i use irssi! :D [13:20] i know, but i use irc so seldom nowadays, that configuring irssi for it is kinda wasted time [13:20] it works for light irc'ing [read: one channel open] heh [13:20] there are other capable clients as well, but i'd really like all messaging be done in one program [13:21] sadly, not even that... [13:21] at least if you don't want a fullscreen window [13:21] because writing over the border of the text input box just resizes the whole window... [13:22] there is a bug report, which says it's fixed in oneiric, which is clearly not the case [13:22] it was unbearable to have 3 channels open, while sending commands to nickerv .. managing of channels is not empathy's forte [13:22] that's another problem... [13:22] maybe switch to pidgin, that works pretty well for light irc usage [13:23] not only that, but authenticating to network was clumsy to say the least [13:25] clumsy is very nicely said... [13:26] is quassel default in gnome ? [13:26] quassel is default in kubuntu [13:27] and is a KDE/Qt program [13:27] yes , but what the default irc client in gnome ..i've forgotten [13:27] Ubuntu has no default IRC app, only empathy which does rudimentary IRC [13:27] BluesKaj, empathy last I looked as default if that does irc [13:27] yeah qt , but some are used there [13:27] BluesKaj, but generally I have to install an irc client in gnome [13:27] xchat is the way to go, but you need to install it [13:28] if empathy = irc , i rather say there is no default irc software under unity [13:28] :-P [13:28] yeah not sure about empahty at all for irc [13:28] BluesKaj, I always install xchat in gnome [13:29] coz_: i'm here with empathy [13:29] konversation is still my default, not default on kde anymore but it is mine :) [13:29] you can connect and send messages [13:29] HoellP, ah ok cool [13:29] that's about it [13:29] but there is this bug, which makes the window get bigger when the text gets too long for the input box [13:29] but only when the user list is shown [13:29] very weird... [13:30] i say it's more a design flaw than a bug [13:30] not really [13:30] it's only in irc windows, so i consider it a bug [13:30] clearly coming from a client designed for i.m. instead [13:31] there is also a report on launchpad and gnome's bugtracker [13:31] flaw [13:31] but also when IMing, the window has to respect the size i give it [13:32] it's just not ok to grow bigger than the screen [13:32] during our conversation, this window has grown at least 5 cm horizontally [13:32] if that is not a bug, i don't know what is [13:33] brb, got to check another possible bug... [13:33] got another empathy bug... [13:33] damn this program is buggy... [13:34] at least the ui is easy on the eyes, i give you that [13:34] heh [13:35] That's why i like it for IM, it does what i need it to do, is well integrated and out of the way [13:36] is there a common package for all the indicators i can report a bug against? [13:36] or should i report against unity? [13:37] i got some screen artifacts at one point while having a channel open fullscreen [empathy] , have you seen anything like that yet? [13:37] Nope, no artifacts... But i use a FullHD 22" screen, so i don't use fullscreen at all... [13:46] <|HoellP> re [13:46] <|HoellP> omg, i can hardly keep up with reporting all the bugs i run into today... [13:53] <|HoellP> anyone here can tell me, what the preferred way is to re-open a bug that's been closed as fix released? [13:54] <|HoellP> is setting back to confirmed the way to do it? [13:54] Just tried the beta 1 of Ocelot in VirtualBox. Didn't see much in the way of visible changes. Unity a little different. Will much change from beta1? [13:54] <|HoellP> sburwood1, nothing greatly visible [13:54] sburwood1: probably not too much [13:54] <|HoellP> now is the time for fixing bugs and polish [13:54] what you see is what you get and hopefully works [13:56] IdleOne: Well, what I saw so far was probems with a format during boot - boot completed, so a minor problem. What has really changed aside from kernel numbers and versions of different programs like Firefox? [13:56] check the technical overview linked in topic [13:59] IdleOne: Thx. Didn't understand much. Will look into the rc or the final version to see what matters to me [13:59] bye [14:02] <|HoellP> ok, i'm sending my 4th empthy bug in a row [14:02] <|HoellP> i'm wondering if this really is wort keeping as a default app... === |HoellP is now known as HoellP [14:20] it's getting worse and worse [14:21] i'm actually finding bugs, in functions i need to report other bugs... [14:25] HoellP: did you run a dist-upgrade? [14:25] No [14:25] good [14:25] Fresh install a day before beta [14:26] HoellP: have you been updating/upgrading? [14:26] sure [14:26] i do that a few times a day at this state [14:27] sometimes dist-upgrades are necessary [14:27] i'd do it more often, if just the google repos weren't so damn f*** slow [14:28] jtaylor, i know, i've used every dev version since 5.10 [14:29] since 9.10 for me [14:29] HoellP: have you seen the recent bug where a computer with about 1 GB of RAM could not report it? [14:30] no [14:30] but i have 8GB myself, so i'm unlikely to run into that problem [14:30] okay [14:34] it's kinda stressfull if packages you report bugs against get updated while you write the report... [14:34] Chances of the bug still existing is not low [14:35] Sadly it does [14:35] i already commented on the report, with the new info... [14:37] maybe now someone can answer my question from before [14:37] how can i correctly reopen a bug that has been marked as "fix released" [14:37] if the bug is not fixed in current dev version [14:37] Can you provide a Launchpad URL? [14:38] one mom, i have to look for it [14:39] https://bugs.launchpad.net/gtk/+bug/433651 [14:39] Launchpad bug 433651 in GTK+ "Chat window grows beyond screen bounds - no text wrap when typing in the message entry" [Low,Confirmed] [14:40] oh no [14:40] just tried to check with the new version, and found another bug [14:41] this really has no end today [14:43] HoellP,anyways,I am not sure how to reopen a Fix Released bug,but if the problem was fixed and now its back,open a new bug with regression mark [14:44] i would rather not do that, one report per bug seems more sensible to me [14:45] comment on it again.. [14:45] that's what i did [14:45] * gnomie shrugs [14:46] now i hope it's enough that it gets noticed... [14:46] someone will be notified, then again, it might need more input than just yours [14:46] i wanted to check for another bug i found before, and found a new one... [14:46] Btw,anyone tried to use Chrome's Proxy settings on Ubuntu 11.10? [14:47] *to be reopened, that is [14:48] gnomie, i wasn't going to do it to that report anyway, it's to big for me to mess with it [14:48] it was more a question of principle [14:48] It doesn't work correctly over here,I do not know why the changed its interface in Ubuntu 11.10 at all... [14:49] and I am using the same chrome package anyway(installed using dpkg) [14:49] they* [14:52] sry, can't help, i'm using neither chrome, nor proxies... [14:52] HoellP: i think it sensical that if the bug still remains you should file a new report. conversely, you could contact its assignee [14:53] I will leave it at the comment for now, if the problem persists and there is no change in the report, i will consider other steps... [14:54] Waiting is mandatory anyways because of all the timezones involved... [14:54] Yeah,takes at least 24 hours for even new filed bugs to get noticed [15:00] *rofl* [15:00] it happened again... [15:00] i report a bug, and get a crash report concerning the reporting of bugs [15:00] this is sooo awesome ;) [15:01] file one against !apport .. [15:01] also, it IS YOUR day today [15:01] i will just send in the crash report [15:01] :D [15:02] i know, i'm the lucky one today [15:02] lol [15:02] it was kinda boring anyways the last days [15:02] i wish i had a cookie for every bug report ;) [15:03] My cheese crashes,and I missed the first bug report,I can reproduce the crash,however,Apport doesn't tell me about filing the bug [15:03] what can be wrong? [15:04] the reports are stored in /var/crash [15:04] I missed the first report(it was 14 mb),because of my internet [15:04] you can either attach to a manually reported bug, or retrace it with apport somehow [15:05] phew, the compiz bug is already known... [15:05] oh noes! [15:05] :p [15:05] btw, cheese is kind of a mess too atm [15:06] already made a report or two against it today [15:09] also ubuntu-bug cheese,says that cheese will open and I can reproduce the bug,however,cheese never opens [15:10] for me it opened gst-launch with the webcam pic [15:10] but somewhere in the background [15:10] so it did its job?! [15:10] weird [15:10] switch through all open windows [15:11] maybe it is hidden somewhere [15:11] it was for me, and i had to close this window to finish the report [15:11] HoellP,it automatically goes to next page for me [15:11] hmm [15:11] and in the end gives me an error about crash report not existant [15:12] hm? [15:12] that's kinda weird [15:12] i'd just report the bug manually on launchpad and attach the old report from /var/crash [15:12] Cannot connect to crash database, please check your Internet connection. [15:12] [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '.cache/CheeseDebug.txt' [15:12] or try to run ubuntu-bug cheese again [15:13] Erm,I done that multiple times,I am going to manually insert crash report =) [15:13] seems the best way... [15:13] as i said before, i also found at least 2 apport crashs today [15:13] i believe apport has gotten better though [15:13] it has [15:14] it actually works really well most of the time [15:14] and it saves so much typing with all the info it provides [15:14] * gnomie nods [15:14] hmm any idea how to enable onboard in the new greeter? [15:15] onboard what? [15:17] hmm [15:17] onboard the onscreen keyboard [15:18] nope, sry [15:18] nice! [15:19] i'm submiting a crash that happend while submitting a crash that happened while i submitted a crash [15:19] but now it stopped :D [15:24] ok, looks like it's there, just not packaged yet http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~robert-ancell/unity-greeter/trunk/revision/134 [15:25] where are the user config file kept for unity? If I log into unity all I see is the wallpaper the menu bar nor panel load up my guess this config file is corrupt [15:25] hello every one [15:27] hello [15:27] i tried to file a bug report on ubuntu software centre , but the launchpad say's it does not understand the data [15:27] Jcook_5xData, have you tried a new user to confirm it's in the user config? [15:27] send [15:28] HoellP, nope, the guest account should confirm that yes! [15:28] its software centre gtk that crashed, i cannot file an bug report . can some one else do it ? [15:29] its the latest version ( just updated it ) [15:30] hmm, i lost the bug report .. some how.. [15:30] is there an way to retrace it on bash ? [15:30] unimatrix9, crash reports get stored in /var/crash [15:30] okey tanks [15:30] have alook there... [15:30] Jcook_5xData, so it does work in the guest account? [15:31] HoellP, one sec let me check have to log out [15:31] kk, was unsure what you meant before [15:33] 11 reports today, my new personal best ;) [15:33] :o,I have 14 reports in total [15:33] You are good :P [15:33] I've never found so many new ones before either [15:34] i guess this is my lucky cycle [15:34] :p [15:35] HoellP, yes it does work in Guest. I think it grabbing some of the Gnome3 setting which is causing the problems [15:35] that's unlikely... because unity uses compiz, shell uses mutter... [15:36] i'd just wipe .config/compiz-1 .cache/compizconfig-1 .cache/unity and .compiz-1 [15:37] or move them away if you feel uncomfortable [15:37] HoellP, I do see a .compiz-1 folder is that where it holds it configs? [15:37] cool will do [15:37] you can also try "unity --reset" [15:37]