[02:31] <paultag> doctormo: I think we've got this muchmuch stuff down
[03:36] <mhall119> akgraner: what in your opinion has had the biggest impact to you, personally, from being involved in free software?
[03:37]  * mhall119 is still trying to nail down an idea for this essay
[03:37] <mhall119> that question is actually open to anyone who wants to answer
[03:37] <mhall119> not just akgraner
[03:37] <akgraner> biggest personal impact....hmmm
[03:37] <mhall119> like, aside form employment, has is changed your life or perspective in a meaningful way?
[03:38] <mhall119> I mean, I explicitly remember downloading the source code for Netscape 5 and realizing "My God, this tells me exactly how to build a browser!"
[03:39] <mhall119> hmm, that's actually a good anecdote, I should use that
[03:40] <akgraner> for me it has nothing to do with FOSS  -but with re-defining me  - and my drive, determination, and re-enforcing my can-do, adapt and over come anything nature.  I am more confident, and understand and can articulate my strengths and weakness in a way that I think tends to influence and drive change...
[03:40] <akgraner> it's also caused me to realize anyone can do anything they set their mind to (if they want it bad enough)
[03:42] <mhall119> I like that
[03:42]  * mhall119 copy/pastes
[03:42] <akgraner> it's re-defined how I view the world and show me personally how being open to change and diversity can change the world literally
[03:42] <akgraner> s/show/shown
[03:44] <mhall119> this essay may end up on my blog before it get's submitted to my professor ;)
[03:44] <mhall119> we'll call that peer-review
[03:45] <mhall119> so someone can shout: "Hey, there's no apostrophe in 'gets' you illiterate engineer!"
[03:45] <akgraner> FOSS is more that technology - if you people choose it see it - it reaches further than the applications and distributions on your desktop  - it can quite literally open up the world to not only  non-developer end users but anyone who chooses to be more than a consumer
[03:46]  * mhall119 makes more notes
[03:47]  * akgraner gets off my soapbox...:-)
[03:47]  * mhall119 considers getting akgraner to write this in exchange for food and Gwibber patches
[03:47] <akgraner> hahah
[03:47] <mhall119> only Gwibber is Vala now :(
[03:48] <akgraner> I pretty passionate about that - and to be honest I think it's the first time I have expressed how it's changed me openly :-)
[03:48] <akgraner> but the last 3 years - amazing!
[03:48] <mhall119> alright, brainstorming phase of the assignment has been turned in
[03:48] <mhall119> yeah, it has been pretty wild
[03:49] <mhall119> more wild for some of us I suppose
[03:49] <akgraner> true enough...
[03:49] <mhall119> thanks for your insights akgraner
[03:49]  * mhall119 is off to bed
[03:49] <akgraner> anytime - me too
[03:50] <akgraner> thanks for asking
[06:07] <dpm> good morning all
[06:17] <jono> hey dpm
[06:17] <dpm> hey jono
[07:15] <dholbach> good morning
[07:54] <nigelb> Morning!
[07:56] <kim0> Morning
[07:57] <dholbach> hi kim0, hi nigelb
[07:57] <kim0> dholbach: nigelb dpm hey there
[07:58] <dpm> morning kim0, dholbach, nigelb
[07:58] <dholbach> hi dpm
[08:01] <czajkowski> morning lovelies
[08:03] <kim0> czajkowski: morning :)
[11:59] <mhall119> good morning
[12:00] <Pendulum> hiya mhall119
[12:01] <mhall119> hey Pendulum
[12:01] <mhall119> how are you doing these days?
[12:05] <Pendulum> I'm doing okay. Healing well :)
[12:20] <nigelb> Morning mhall119 / Pendulum
[14:27] <jussi> mrgh
[14:28] <jussi> Why does unity not actually switch on alt+tab, just wiggle the icon?
[14:36] <mhall119> a bug perhaps?
[14:41] <paultag> jussi: when Unity fails, it tris to be cute and clever so you say "Awww" rather then "WTF"
[14:57] <popey> yeah, the wiggle means "dont hate me, I wub you!"
[14:57] <paultag> speaking of WTF - Hello, MoinMoin, nice to meet you!
[14:57] <paultag> popey: that's exactly it :)
[14:57] <paultag> http://i.imgur.com/vYUWa.png - forgot to put this at the end of the last line
[15:01] <kim0> jussi: yeah I get this wiggle thing too .. meh
[15:01] <dholbach> hey jono
[15:01] <jono> hey dholbach
[15:01] <jono> dholbach, jcastro, kim0, dpm creating hangout now
[15:02] <kim0> okie
[15:07] <mhall119> wow paultag, how'd you do that?
[15:08] <paultag> mhall119: I tried using some invalid syntax to see if I could get the parser to do the right thing
[15:08] <paultag> mhall119: turns out not
[15:08] <paultag> but still; it should not fail like that
[15:09] <paultag> it should protest impotantly at me
[15:09] <paultag> impotently *
[15:12] <mhall119> nope, python is explicit
[15:12] <mhall119> not passive aggressive like PHP
[15:13] <paultag> mhall119: no, I mean, it should (just like if I do [[invalid|syntax!>], it'll try and parse it best it can
[15:13] <paultag> mhall119: I should never see that screen :)
[15:14] <mhall119> oh, you broke Moin's syntax parser?
[15:14] <paultag> mhall119: yes sir.
[15:15] <mhall119> well, then the reason is because wikis are inherently evil and abusive
[15:15]  * paultag shrugs
[15:15] <paultag> good 'nuf for me.
[15:15] <paultag> call it a day :) we agree (for once) :)
[15:15] <mhall119> he agreed last week too
[15:15] <mhall119> we really shouldn't make a habit of this
[15:15] <paultag> he sure did. Yeah, it's getting odd
[15:16] <paultag> people'll think we're dating or something
[15:16] <mhall119> hey, you're agreeing with me again, stop!
[15:16] <paultag> No, you!
[15:16] <mhall119> ok I will
[15:16] <mhall119> wait....dammit
[15:16] <paultag> fffuuu-- :)
[15:34] <dholbach> jono, dpm, jcastro, kim0: hippies
[15:34] <jono> lol
[15:34] <dholbach> … always good to talk to you :)
[15:34] <kim0> woot :)
[15:35] <jcastro> I need to shave
[15:35] <kim0> dholbach is the coolest though ;)
[15:35] <dholbach> I think I looked most tired :)
[15:53] <jono> dholbach, always fun :-)
[15:53] <jono> I love our team calls, I prefer our team sprints :-)
[15:57] <czajkowski> whooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
[15:57]  * czajkowski does a dance 
[15:57]  * czajkowski got a job as a PM :D 
[15:57] <czajkowski> start next wednesday
[15:58] <Pendulum> \o/
[15:58] <czajkowski> PM dealing with developers
[15:58] <czajkowski> that's me :)
[15:58] <czajkowski> weeeee
[16:02] <jussi> Pendulum: oh Pendulum!!!
[16:02] <jussi> czajkowski: sounds fun!
[16:03] <pleia2> czajkowski: congrats :)
[16:03] <dholbach> congratulations :)
[16:03] <czajkowski> Thank you
[16:03] <czajkowski> am sooo happy
[16:03] <czajkowski> start next friday
[16:04] <czajkowski> next wednesday even
[16:04] <czajkowski> 4 month contract as they've never had the role before so we'll see
[16:10] <jcastro> woooo!
[16:12] <czajkowski> I get to deal with developers who are going over budget and introduce time plans and then make specs up for their projects based on what the account manager has noted from the client. NEver done this before but gonna love trying it
[16:13] <paultag> czajkowski: which company?
[16:13] <paultag> was this the mozilla gig?
[16:13] <czajkowski> paultag: nope
[16:13] <paultag> sweet :)
[16:14] <czajkowski> though I do have a mozilla interview for another role in about 45 mins
[16:14] <czajkowski> but they have a long drawn out process
[16:14] <paultag> czajkowski: leverage the offer
[16:14] <czajkowski> interview on last week and again on monday for this place, and hired today.
[16:14] <paultag> czajkowski: got hired or got an offer?
[16:15] <czajkowski> paultag: hired I start wednesday morning
[16:15] <paultag> czajkowski: and you accepted already?
[16:15] <czajkowski> paultag: I'm cracking up not working. So yes.
[16:15]  * czajkowski hates being idle 
[16:15] <paultag> czajkowski: yeah, but you should have said I'd think about it (which usually is what you do), then do the next interview and leverage (I got an offer for this at here, and I'm going. Make me an offer)
[16:16] <paultag> czajkowski: if they come back and raise them, bam. If not, no worries
[16:16] <czajkowski> paultag: mozilla made me go through 4 interviews to tell me it's now on hold. that's enoigh to make a person not apply again to a company.
[16:16] <paultag> czajkowski: sure, but you had an interview later on that same day, it's not like you're telling the first guys no
[16:17] <paultag> oh well :)
[16:17] <paultag> czajkowski: congrats!
[16:17] <czajkowski> cheers
[16:25] <nigelb> Now I know why dholbach was looking for email :)
[16:26] <nigelb> (in summit that is)
[16:40] <mhall119> paultag: negotiating is much easier when you currently have a job
[16:54] <jcastro> jono: http://ostatic.com/blog/bacon-justifies-ubuntu-decisions
[16:54] <jcastro> for some reason this title is funny to me
[16:54] <nigelb> I was about to say "that title is awesome"
[16:54] <jcastro> like "we're doing this so you can have bacon in the morning with your bread"
[16:54] <popey> mmmmm bacon
[16:54] <nigelb> jcastro++
[16:54] <nigelb> Exactly my thought
[16:55] <czajkowski> I brought back 5 packets of bacon from ireland
[16:55] <czajkowski> we're down to 3
[16:55] <czajkowski> :o
[16:56] <popey> what's wrong with good old british (danish) bacon!
[16:56] <dholbach> ok my friends - see you all tomorrow
[16:56] <popey> o/
[16:56] <nigelb> g'nite dholbach
[16:57] <dholbach> byeeeeee
[16:57] <Pendulum> have a good evening dholbach!
[16:57] <dholbach> you too
[16:59] <jcastro> how do I roll back a page in wordpress?
[16:59] <jono> jcastro, lol
[16:59] <jono> checking
[17:00] <jcastro> doesn't seem to be listed in the obvious places
[17:02] <czajkowski> roll back what do you mean like revert to an older page without editing?
[17:02] <jcastro> yeah
[17:02] <czajkowski> jcastro: I think it's a plugin that has to be installed
[17:02] <jcastro> :-/
[17:02] <czajkowski> it's not by default on 2 of my blogs but is on my barcamp
[17:02] <czajkowski> version control
[17:02] <popey> scroll down
[17:03] <popey> previous versions are listed under the edit box
[17:03] <AlanBell> click a revision, hit the restore link
[17:03] <jcastro> ok which page would I see a revision on?
[17:03] <jcastro> I'm on the Pages page
[17:03] <jcastro> where I can click on a page, edit, etc.
[17:04] <AlanBell> click the page you want to look at
[17:04] <jcastro> right
[17:05] <AlanBell> and then say, "oh darn, wish that was a post"
[17:05] <jcastro> hah
[17:05] <AlanBell> I have a revision history on posts but not pages
[17:05] <nigelb> AlanBell++
[17:06] <nigelb> With jekyll, I just realized I can do a git reset \o/
[17:06] <popey> hehe
[17:08] <jono> wow
[17:08] <jono> that article is nuts
[17:08] <jono> she really read waaaay too much into it
[17:08] <jono> I just responded
[17:09] <nigelb> jono: Obviously. Which is why we just read the title, chuckled and left it there :)
[17:09] <nigelb> s/title/url
[17:17] <popey> I can see their point.
[17:17] <popey> I can certainly see how jono uses a broken light switch analogy
[17:17] <popey> the menu doesn't just have two states, there, and not there.
[17:18] <popey> the menu has lots of options, a light switch does not
[17:18] <popey> now, compare a mixing desk with the menu and you're getting closer
[17:18] <popey> you can probably reach out and hit the fader first time most of the time, but you probably wont hit all the pots on target all the time
[17:28] <mhall119> jono: do you know if hiding the mindow controls was usability tested like other parts of Unity?
[17:28] <ejat> thanks to the sponsorship board .. i feel lucky to be in the standby list …
[17:30] <Pendulum> mhall119: there's a response to jono's post by mpt that addresses that
[17:32] <Pendulum> mhall119: http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/09/06/menu-discoverability-in-ubuntu-11-10/#comment-304012304
[17:45] <mhall119> thanks Pendulum
[17:45] <mhall119> I like the idea of showing the menus briefly on app startup
[17:46] <mhall119> I'd even say they should be shown all the time for non-maximized windows (since otherwise thespace is wasted)
[17:48]  * jussi doesnt like stuff that hides. It makes things slow :/
[17:48] <mhall119> woot, > 2GB in U1 now
[17:48] <jussi> (and yes, Im trying unity atm)
[17:50] <mhall119> my biggest usability gripe with Unity is that when I have a maximized window below a non-maximized one, the non-maximized windows's menu appears to below to the maximized window (visually)
[17:51] <mhall119> and clicking part of it brings up the non-maximized windows' menus, but if you miss the menu text it'll switch to the maximized one instead
[17:52] <jussi> Someone should write a book about "how to gripe effectively" :D
[17:52]  * jussi wonders if Pendulum is about...
[17:53] <mhall119> she was
[17:55] <jussi> yeah, but she disappeared on me :(
[17:55] <mhall119> just mouse-ver, she'll re-appear
[17:56] <jussi> hahaha
[18:03]  * Pendulum reappears
[18:03] <Pendulum> sorry jussi!
[18:03] <jussi> :D
[18:12] <mhall119> see, it's totally intuitive
[18:22] <nigelb> "In 1995 you could able fit all Internet technology in brain. In 2011 you can not able fit even git in brain."
[18:22] <nigelb> that devops guy is awesome
[18:32] <mhall119> to be fair, 90% of the internet in 1995 was rainbow background images and <blink> tags
[18:32] <nigelb> You're confusing MySpace with internet :P
[18:32] <nigelb> (j/k)
[18:32] <mhall119> there was no MySpace
[18:33] <mhall119> only Yahoo profiles
[18:33] <nigelb> geocities!
[18:33] <mhall119> oh gawd
[20:54] <czajkowski> jono: we have 1 email address that goes to all of the boards - ubuntu-membership-boards@lists.ubuntu.com
[20:54] <jono> czajkowski, oops
[20:54] <jono> thanks for letting me know czajkowski
[20:54] <jono> :-)
[20:54] <czajkowski> jono: np I think it's been said before, helps for reply all
[20:54] <jono> czajkowski, mhall119, nigelb, cjohnston call in 5m?
[20:54] <cjohnston> are we doing a call in 5 minutes?
[20:54] <jono> yup :-)
[20:55] <pleia2> jono: you sent to the old board lists again :) those aren't used so new board members on them, you want just Ubuntu-membership-boards@lists.ubuntu.com
[20:55] <jono> pleia2, yeah, czajkowski just told me
[20:55] <doctormo> hmm whereis paultag... missing.
[20:55] <pleia2> oh sorry
[20:55] <pleia2> I don't read
[20:55] <pleia2> hehe
[20:55] <jono> I will resend my mail
[20:55] <czajkowski> jono: delete the other addresses will you please :)
[20:55] <jono> :-)
[20:55] <jono> czajkowski, yup
[20:55] <pleia2> we should probably get those old lists shut down
[20:55] <pleia2> ticket with IS?
[20:56] <czajkowski> pleia2: want me to do it
[20:56] <pleia2> czajkowski: yes please, can you Cc: me and popey on it?
[20:57] <czajkowski> wilko
[20:57] <pleia2> (I think popey was the one who was helping with this consolidation)
[20:57] <pleia2> if not, well, he loves email
[20:57] <jono> lol
[20:59]  * cjohnston is trying to clear out my spam
[20:59] <cjohnston> erm.. amount of email he gets
[21:00] <jono> alirght dialing you all up :-)
[21:00] <cjohnston> jono: we will hopefully have rt 17810 done in the next week.. which will mean huge improvements for LD and summit
[21:01] <czajkowski> pleia2: done
[21:02] <jono> mhall119, can you join the call?
[21:02] <jono> I tried skyping you
[21:02] <czajkowski> now to go find charlieS and ask him nicely
[21:29] <duanedesign> jono: what channel?
[21:31] <jono> duanedesign, huh?
[21:32] <duanedesign> jono: i git a messAGE  we g=had a talk in ten?
[21:32] <duanedesign> reschedule?
[21:32] <jono> duanedesign, we scheduled it for Friday
 so in the coming weeks keep it in mind please jono
[21:33] <jono>  jono: awsome!
 duanedesign, lets get something in the calendar, one sec
[21:33] <jono>  duanedesign, Fri at 2pm Pacific?
[21:33] <duanedesign> jono: HAHA that is the first time me camendar has been early :)
 only thin i have that day is a 10 am Central
[21:33] <jono>  so sounds perfect
[21:34] <duanedesign> that is great
[21:35] <cjohnston> call dropped
[21:35] <cjohnston> jono:
[21:35] <jono> cjohnston, dialing back