=== eeejay is now known as eeejay_is_afk [04:04] Good morning [04:06] dobey, hyperair: FWIW, we _did_ discuss how to do major U1 upgrades through SRU [04:06] TheMuso: is that Gdk GType problem new, i. e. a regression since the last GTK upload, or has always been there? [04:07] pitti: I don't know about how long its been there. Are you referring to bug 769256? [04:07] Launchpad bug 769256 in gtk+3.0 "Gdk enumerations do not contain GType info in GIR" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/769256 [04:08] pitti: This bug has only really popped up now as being serious since accerciser and orca moved to gobject introspection/GTK3. [04:09] TheMuso: ah, ok; anyway, I'll compare it to natty's .girs, to see whether it was a recent regression or just am missing thing in pygobject [04:09] err, g-i [04:09] ok [05:37] good morning [05:39] what he said. [05:40] bonjour didrocks [05:40] Morning didrocks. [05:40] guten morgen pitti, how are you? [05:41] hey TheMuso :) [05:41] didrocks: I'm fine, thanks! [05:46] Is anyone here running Gwibber? [05:55] good morning pitti, didrocks, et al [05:56] I hope everyone is doing very well today [05:56] hey rickspencer3, how are you? [05:56] didrocks, doing well [05:56] today is kinda big day for me [05:57] 20th wedding anniversary! [05:57] didrocks, how about you? [05:57] rickspencer3: oh, happy birthday to you and your wife then, congratulation :) [05:58] hehe [05:58] rickspencer3: congrats! [05:58] nice translation [05:58] thanks micahg [05:58] we're celebrating with the kids this evening with pizza and bowling, and then a proper celebration on Friday [05:58] rickspencer3: I'm fine as well, hoping today will be less busy than the past few ones. Crossing fingers :) [05:59] didrocks, bon chance [05:59] rickspencer3: how are you kids getting used to France? not too lost? [05:59] didrocks, they are fine [05:59] kids are adaptable [05:59] and their school is in English [05:59] pitti: you asked for some stats on software-center, it seems that the income of "new bugs" is not higher since the gtk3 version: http://status.qa.ubuntu.com/qapkgstatus/software-center [06:00] rickspencer3: did the new year started last Monday, as other French school? [06:00] didrocks: oh, nice! I keep forgetting about all these graphs :) [06:00] hey rickspencer3, how are you? [06:00] didrocks, last Thursday, actually [06:00] rickspencer3: ooh, congrats to your 20th anniversary! [06:00] thanks pitti [06:01] rickspencer3: do your kids learn some French as well? [06:03] pitti, they are starting [06:03] pitti, my daughter has French and German language classes [06:03] and our new neighbors are german with a girl my exactly my daughter's age [06:03] AND the orchestra my daughter is in is combined with the German school [06:04] so, I wouldn't be surprised if she ends up with more German than French after this year ;) [06:07] nice! they should pick it up in no time then [06:25] morning. [06:26] hey Sweetshark [06:26] hey Sweetshark [07:05] pitti, I need to do a ffe for unity-greeter, should I open a master bug for this? [07:06] robert_ancell: if there's already a bug for the thing you want to add, use that one [07:06] there's about 10... [07:06] robert_ancell: hm, use one of them and give the numbers to the other ones perhaps? [07:06] robert_ancell: but as you like, it doesn't matter much [07:37] good morning everyone [07:37] hey chrisccoulson [07:37] hi pitti, how are you? [07:37] good morning chrisccoulson! [07:37] hi didrocks [08:03] morning [08:04] has anyone had any experience of apport crashing on them? it knows something has failed yet cannot get itself right to report the bug ? [08:04] czajkowski: I did a fix for that yesterday or Monday [08:05] pitti: did you :) ohh [08:05] I reported the bug yesterday [08:05] doing some updates now [08:05] czajkowski: if you have all updates from today, and it still happens, please run it from a terminal and give me the stack trace [08:05] so *hopefully* will do it [08:05] pitti: will do, thanks [08:09] chrisccoulson: are you going to do a new upload of thunderbird-gnome-support soon? [08:09] pitti - what for? [08:09] chrisccoulson: it uses some NBS libs like libdbusmenu-gtk3, libebook1.2-11, libedataserver1.2-14 [08:09] these three [08:10] oh, did i forgeto to update those? i actually fixed the extensions to load the new libs, but must have forgotten to update those dependencies [08:10] i need to find a way to automate that ;) [08:10] chrisccoulson: oh, don't you build-dep on the -dev packages? [08:10] pitti - no, these libs are used with ctypes from JS, so they're basically dlopen'd at runtime [08:11] chrisccoulson: but you could build-dep on the -dev packages and then create the binary dependencies dynamically? [08:11] morning [08:11] hey rodrigo_, how are you? [08:11] pitti - yeah, possibly [08:12] hi pitti, chrisccoulson [08:12] chrisccoulson: anyway, it's the last or pre-last main package which has NBS problems [08:13] pitti - oh, how up-to-date is that information? [08:13] it looks like i already fixed it [08:13] http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/nbs.html [08:13] shoudl run every hour actually [08:14] 07-Sep-2011 08:00 52K [08:14] seems reasonably current (this is DC time) [08:14] it's 08:14 in the DC [08:14] pitti - http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/thunderbird/thunderbird-beta.head/revision/345 and http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/thunderbird/thunderbird-beta.head/revision/346 [08:15] hm, werid [08:15] indeed, apt-cache show has the current one [08:15] chrisccoulson: thanks, I'll investigate [08:16] thanks [08:19] pitti, you didn't sponsor https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/+source/evolution-rss/+bug/773763 , is it because there's anything missing from my side? [08:19] Ubuntu bug 773763 in evolution-rss "evolution freeze on startup with the plug-in "evolution-rss"" [High,In progress] [08:19] hey [08:19] bonjour seb128 [08:20] hey rodrigo_, how are you? [08:20] seb128, ça va bien, et toi? :) [08:21] rodrigo_, doh, my spanish is not good enough to reply to that! I'm good thanks ;-) [08:21] :D [08:21] salut seb128 [08:22] good morning rodrigo_ [08:22] lut didrocks [08:22] salut didrocks [08:22] ok, over 300 emails during the night in my bugs box I was going to complain [08:22] but half of it is the janitor which cleaned old bugs [08:22] hey seb128 [08:22] so that's ok ;-) [08:22] hey pitti [08:22] seb128: filtering filtering! :) [08:22] didrocks, yeah ;-) [08:23] rodrigo_, if you get g-c-c work done maybe only upload around the end of the day [08:23] seb128, oh, why? [08:23] rodrigo_, seems we do 3-4 g-c-c uploads a day, we could probably batch a bit in the vcs before uploading [08:24] rodrigo_, well, if you know other fixes will come the same day maybe no need to push several updates to buildds and users [08:24] seb128, yes, it's because I'm going through the bug list, and don't know what the next bug is [08:24] i.e spare some buildds time and bandwith ;-) [08:24] but yes, will keep the branch UNRELEASED until the end of the day [08:24] rodrigo_, it's not only you, I did an upload as well yesterday ;-) [08:24] ok [08:25] rodrigo_, well not a strict rule, but if you think it's likely another fix will come in the next 2 hours better to way and batch [08:25] yeah, right [08:29] seb128: btw, do you know why versions shows the glib upstream version as 1.2.x? [08:29] seb128: it seems the "stable" version is 2.90.x, and the "unstable" version is 1.2.x [08:29] seb128: but this thing confuses me, it pulls from people.gnome.org/~vuntz/tmp/versions/versions-unstable for both the stable and the unstable dictionary [08:30] so I don't obviously see where it takes the 1.2.x from [08:34] pitti: still happening ;( [08:34] I've done todays updates/upgrade and restarted and as sooon as I open up anything the apport thingy pops up but doesn't go anywhere [08:35] czajkowski: can you run "apport-bug" in a terminal? does that work? [08:36] let me see [08:36] pitti: You need to specify a package or a PID. See --help for more information. [08:36] dialogue box pops up [08:37] err, what? [08:37] are you talking about the infinitely respawning apport dialog of doom? [08:37] czajkowski: is that running GNOME or KDE? [08:37] Laney: yes! [08:37] pitti: Gnome [08:37] apport-bug should print nothign and just ask you which symptom you have [08:38] I've had that too, apport-bug works [08:38] then again I xkilled it to make it stop [08:39] Laney: any stack trace? can you run it from a terminal? [08:39] simplest: "apport-bug", if that doesn't crash, run apport-bug /var/crash/something.. [08:40] mterry, pitti: python-mocker needs a MIR, and a conversion from python-support [08:40] yep, seen already [08:40] The following packages will be REMOVED [08:40] libegl1-mesa libegl1-mesa-drivers [08:40] The following packages will be upgraded: [08:40] libwayland0 [08:41] Eep. [08:41] Tommeh: seems ok? [08:41] pitti: http://twitpic.com/6h9pzd/full and http://twitpic.com/6h9qej/full [08:41] Does libwayland0 really replace libegl & drivers? :/ [08:42] czajkowski: ok, this looks utterly utterly wrong [08:42] pitti: welcome to my last 3 days [08:42] I just pretend it's not there any more [08:42] czajkowski: can you please run sh -ex /usr/bin/apport-bug and pastebin? [08:42] sure [08:43] czajkowski: do you see anything else on stderr when you run apport-bug? [08:43] ah, no [08:43] pitti: it's probably something auto-respawning and crashing; apport pops up again after I cancel its previous dialog [08:43] pitti: the glib thing is there to enable people who track both glib 2.x and glib 1.x [08:44] vuntz: yes, that seems fine; it's a little weird that 1.2 is unstable and 2.9.x stable, but either way, it's a bug in the script which generates our versions.html [08:44] Laney, czajkowski: first, please remove all /var/crash/* and killall update-notifier [08:44] to avoid the automatic popups get in the way [08:45] pitti: well, versions-unstable doesn't track unstable version [08:45] pitti: it tracks versions of all software in all interesting branches, for the 3.1.x development cycle [08:45] done [08:46] pitti: which includes the glib 1.2.x branch [08:46] pitti: but I'll be the first to admit it's a bit confusing :-) [08:46] pitti: http://paste.ubuntu.com/684214/ [08:48] czajkowski: what happens on /usr/share/apport/apport-gtk -f [08:49] pitti: what do you mean, sorry [08:49] czajkowski: if you run "/usr/share/apport/apport-gtk -f" [08:50] what happen? [08:50] ah ok sorry [08:50] it's early [08:50] pitti: you need to specify a package or a PID. See --help for more information. pops up again [08:53] hello pitti, do you have got any idea why the widgets in the gtk3 expander are so small? I tried resize and different sizes already, lp #739647 [08:53] Launchpad bug 739647 in aptdaemon "Update manager error window is too small to read and is not resizable." [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/739647 [08:57] czajkowski, glatzor: on the phone, bbl [08:58] pitti: no worries === chrisccoulson_ is now known as chrisccoulson [09:06] didrocks: hey...I was having SHIFT+ALT+TAB probs today so I did a unity --reset [09:06] now I can't CTRL+ALT+T for terminal...is that related? [09:06] jasoncwarner_: hey, no, it's not related, this key is hosted by metacity [09:07] jasoncwarner_: are you up to date? I pushed some fixes for ctrl + Alt + T yesterday, if so, you can reset it in g-c-c [09:07] didrocks: I am...as of 2 hours ago (updating now) [09:07] jasoncwarner_: should be fine, opened g-c-c, keyboard, shortcuts, launchers [09:08] jasoncwarner_: hi - that zeitgeistbug you tweeted... any special way to reproduce? [09:08] jasoncwarner_: and you have "launch a terminal" there [09:08] jasoncwarner_: if you set it back (which is the default now), it should be fine [09:08] kamstrup: log in ;) [09:08] jasoncwarner_: uh, i tried hat once ;-) [09:08] kamstrup: that is all I really do. I just boot up (I usually do that after I update just to be sure) [09:08] czajkowski: do you have apport-symptoms installed? [09:08] jasoncwarner_: thing is that this stack trace is crazy! :-) [09:09] czajkowski: or, trying differently, does this work: /usr/share/apport/apport-gtk -f -p coreutils [09:09] kamstrup: anyhting you want me to try to reproduce? I typically get it just by rebooting ;) [09:09] can't it be the "shutdown" issue? is the timestamp really the one when logging in? [09:10] jasoncwarner_: if you can confirm you get it fairly often I have an updated module you can manually install... [09:10] Laney: do you get a stack trace when you run "apport-bug coreutils"? [09:10] pitti: gimmie a tic and I'll let you know. Thanks for the help btw. [09:11] pitti: no, but I just re-logged-in and didn't get the usual infinite dialog === bschaefer_ is now known as bschaefer [09:14] chrisccoulson: ah, NBS updated, now it's only on powerpc (which hasn't built yet) [09:14] kamstrup: I'll do that a bit later...or perhaps send me link...I have a bunch of calls to make tonight before I do anything reckless with my computer :) [09:14] pitti - excellent, thanks :) [09:14] pitti: running the above allowed me to get apport to report a bug ! [09:14] czajkowski: ok, but didn't trigger a crash [09:14] czajkowski: ok, next experiment: [09:14] sh -c 'kill -SEGV $$' [09:15] apport-bug /var/crash/_bin_dash*.crash [09:15] ok that caused a crash [09:15] :/ [09:16] sorry the program 'Dash' [09:16] jasoncwarner_: ok - here goes - try it when you have time: "rm -rf /usr/share/zeitgeist/_zeitgeist/engine/extensions/fts.*" then download http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~zeitgeist-extensions/zeitgeist-extensions/trunk/view/head:/fts/fts.py and copy it into place "sudo cp fts.py /usr/share/zeitgeist/_zeitgeist/engine/extensions/" and reboot and do your thing [09:17] pitti, seems you have a busy morning, ping me when other discussions you have started settle and you have a quiet time ;-) [09:17] seb128: Pitti has quiet time? I highly doubt that! ;) [09:18] pitti, nothing important, I want to check if you read the backlog or notice the gir gtk bug the a11y pointed yesterday [09:18] seb128: yes, I got that in my mbox, I'll look at it today [09:18] jasoncwarner_, yeah, I was thinking the same ;-) "quiet" might not be the right word :p "less crazy" would be better ;-) [09:18] seb128: I have my 1-on-1 with jasoncwarner_ soon, then I can hopefully get to that [09:19] pitti, is there any way to trigger a retrace for a bug? [09:19] czajkowski: yes, it was meant to crash "dash" :) [09:19] pitti, ok thanks, seems also that the glib,gtk documentation is having issue, I saw you tweaked the builds for those so I wanted to check if you had a clue about that as well, not hurry there either [09:19] czajkowski: did you get a crash/backtrace for apport-gtk? [09:19] rodrigo_: did the previous one fail, or did it not get to it yet? [09:19] pitti: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dash/+bug/843711 [09:19] Ubuntu bug 843711 in dash "dash crashed with SIGSEGV in __kernel_vsyscall()" [Undecided,New] [09:19] seb128: well, "tweak" -- it seems that with some new upstream versions, --enable-gtk-doc isn't the default any more, so I had to turn that on explicitly [09:19] didrocks, thanks for doing GNOME updates ;-) [09:20] czajkowski: oh, you reported it? [09:20] seb128: yw :-) [09:20] czajkowski: I'll invalidate that crash then [09:20] pitti: sorry :( [09:20] pitti, it did it in a weird way -> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-settings-daemon/+bug/832160 it doesn't correspond to the crash [09:20] rodrigo_: Error: bug 832160 not found [09:20] czajkowski: no problem :) [09:20] also, not sure why that bug is private [09:20] czajkowski: so, I still wonder what part of apport actually crashes for you then [09:21] pitti, we should maybe not build the documentation and ship the html files from the tarball, I will check on that [09:21] pitti, I'm looking at rodrigo_'s bug [09:21] rodrigo_: ah, so retracing failed [09:21] rodrigo_, what pitti said [09:21] pitti: yeah tis kinda annoying last night in the middle of EMEA my system frize with the menu bar going across the screen for alt tabbing through applications and I couldnt run apport then. but today I could at least get that bug to report [09:21] yeah [09:21] seb128: oh, that's why it's not built any more? but shouldn't 'make install' install the shipped html files then? [09:22] czajkowski: so, I guess you need to wait until you get that crash again, and then toss me the /var/crash/_usr_lib_apport_*.crash [09:22] rodrigo_, btw I think those are what the glib patch desrt commited yesterday and pitti backported today should fix [09:22] wil do [09:22] czajkowski: thanks [09:22] pitti: thanks for your help, I appreciate it [09:22] seb128, oh, really? there are tons of duplicates / similar bugs [09:22] seb128, what's the # for the one desrt and pitti fixed? [09:22] czajkowski: no worries; if it still crashes for people, I certainly want to know and fix it [09:23] rodrigo_, i.e 657241 on bugzilla [09:23] ok [09:24] rodrigo_, I didn't do proper bug number tracking [09:24] seb128, I'll do it now, I've got several similar bugs assigned to me [09:25] rodrigo_, from the gtk channel yesterday [09:25] sept. 06 16:27:45 desrt, look at that nice trace: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/page.cgi?id=trace.html&trace_id=228185 [09:26] sept. 06 16:32:58 ya. there's clearly some g_main_context_invoke() action missing here somewhere [09:26] sept. 06 16:34:52 hadess: i've a few things to tend to already today, but i'll try to look at it before the evening is out [09:26] sept. 06 19:32:22 hadess: totally stupid mistake on my part responsible for this crash [09:26] sept. 06 19:32:37 i made all of the change notify functions safe except for one [09:26] sept. 06 19:32:49 which only happens when multiple keys are changed at the same time, and even then only sometimes [09:26] [09:26] rodrigo_: you asked me to look at bug 773763; do you just need sponsoring for the SRU, or is there something to be done for oneriic? [09:26] Launchpad bug 773763 in evolution-rss "evolution freeze on startup with the plug-in "evolution-rss"" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/773763 [09:26] rodrigo_, the patch pitti backported with today update is supposed to address that [09:27] seb128, so, have we confirmed it fixes the issue? [09:27] pitti, just the SRU [09:27] rodrigo_: ack [09:27] rodrigo_, desrt thinks it fixes but since we have no testcase I agreed that we would backport the fix and see if bugs stop coming [09:27] rodrigo_, so we are there now "wait to see if they stop coming" ;-) [09:27] ok, I'll keep them all open [09:27] there are a lot of very similar ones [09:27] rodrigo_, well, put them in incomplete asking to try with the current glib? [09:28] yeah, right [09:28] thanks [09:28] the glib update is 2.9.90, right? [09:28] they are all xcb errors right? [09:28] rodrigo_, correct [09:29] btw, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-settings-daemon/+bug/804896 always gives me a timeout error [09:29] Ubuntu bug 804896 in gnome-settings-daemon "gnome-settings-daemon assert failure: gnome-settings-daemon: ../../src/xcb_io.c:140: dequeue_pending_request: Assertion `req == dpy->xcb->pending_requests' failed." [High,Triaged] [09:29] can anyone try and mark it as incomplete if it works for you? [09:30] rodrigo_, try adding +edit to the url? [09:30] oh, ok [09:30] +editstatus rather [09:30] yeah, +edit is just for the summary and description [09:30] that usually workaround timeouts from loading the mainpage [09:30] it does, yeah! [09:30] ;-) [09:31] rodrigo_, I'm sure you will be glad if that's indeed fixed with that glib update because you were so looking forward debugging those :p [09:31] yeah [09:32] I can't stop jumping of joy if that's fixed :) [09:32] if that fixes it, I mean :) [09:41] pitti, hey i released yesterday with the new gsettings entry to hide the user menu [09:41] did you see that ? [09:41] key is called 'user-show-menu' [09:41] in the i-session gsettings schema [09:43] 'dconf' directories keep appearing all over the place, apparently whenever I start Nautilus or Gedit! [09:43] ronoc, btw I fail to see how that fix the "invalid utf-8" bug [09:44] seb128, was it not the idea that casper would set this value to false before starting the i-session-service which in turn would then hide the menu by default [09:44] * ronoc checks code [09:45] ronoc, right, but there is still a bug somewhere, if displayed the indicator should get a valid username and not "invalid utf-8" [09:45] ronoc, even if the bug is workarounded by hidding the indicator [09:45] seb128, the only instance we get a invalid utf8 on the panel now is in the case of the live cd [09:45] seb128, for guests I have fixed it [09:46] well still it seems like on the livecd case you should get the real username, i.e ubuntu [09:46] beforehand [09:46] but probably not worth arguing if the menu is not showed on the livecd [09:46] seb128, no you shouldnt because you shouldnt have the menu in the first place [09:46] so whats the point [09:47] ronoc, well to me it indicates that in some cases the indicator can get "invalid utf-8" rather than the username so there is a bug in the code that get the current user name [09:47] * didrocks agrees on that view, seems 2 separate issues to fix… [09:47] ronoc, in practice it might be a corner case setup issue but it's still a bug, even if it's not visibility in common cases ;-) [09:47] seb128, I can protect some more against that [09:48] sure, ill get around to it [09:48] ronoc, but let's not bother, we have better to do [09:48] that seems like a low priority thing to investigate the day we run out of real issues [09:48] :) [09:48] ronoc, just curious how do you get the username? [09:49] I though it would be reading passwd or doing a call to accountsservice, I'm just surprised that either of those would be buggy on the livecd [09:49] seb128, its that which is delivered by lightdm so from org.freedesktop.account..... [09:49] ronoc, ok, so maybe it's a bug in the accountsservice left and not in the indicator ;-) [09:50] I will play with d-feet later on to see [09:50] seb128, well the real name entry can be blank, its the user name has to be filled === doko_ is now known as doko [10:01] guys there is a bug in the dash on the applications lens where nothing shows up under games [10:05] i thought there were no games shipped now? [10:05] saw someone in a video review mention that [10:07] popey: it's not showing anything the panel is empty completely [10:07] but only on games [10:07] none for install either [10:09] ronoc: ah, nice [10:09] ronoc, seb128: want me to update casper for this? [10:10] pitti, please Martin, stop the flow of bugs ... [10:11] ronoc: which schema is that? [10:11] /usr/share/glib-2.0/schemas/com.canonical.indicator.session.gschema.xml ? [10:11] com.canonical.indicator.session [10:11] yup [10:11] pitti, should have the key as of 0.3.4.3 released last night [10:12] com.canonical.indicator.session user-show-menu true [10:12] right, here we are [10:12] that's the one [10:19] hmm, my .desktop file that used to be added to the favorites from an initrd script doesnt show up in the launcher anymore, is the process of adding an entry documented somewhere ? [10:20] uh, there's a lot of stuff in casper which needs porting to gsettings [10:20] ah, was there already something ported ? [10:20] so i could steal from there [10:20] * ogra_ checks [10:20] ogra_: no [10:20] :( [10:21] I'll start with scripts/casper-bottom/22screensaver, and working my way downwards [10:21] and add ronoc's hiding of the user menu [10:29] ronoc: is there an LP bug for disabling the user menu? [10:29] i. e. should I close something in the changelog? [10:30] pitti, I should have opened a fresher bug , there is one, I'll find it now one sec [10:30] ronoc: not necessary to open a bug just for that [10:30] ronoc: just wondering if the changelog shoudl close existing ones [10:31] pitti, yeah there is one, I just need to find it, one sec [10:31] pitti, https://bugs.launchpad.net/indicator-session/+bug/834137 [10:31] Ubuntu bug 834137 in unity-foundations "user menu says [Invalid UTF-8]" [Medium,In progress] [10:32] ronoc: I'll add a casper task then; but the actual bug for the invalid utf-8 is still in the indicator, so this should be kept open, too [10:32] ronoc: grabbed the casper task, thanks [10:33] ronoc: ok, committed; I'll upload this now, let's test tomorrow's live CD [10:34] what package contains the network settings applet? [10:34] chrisccoulson: are you aware that "Use system proxy settings" in firefox/oneiric doesn't appear to work? [10:34] Laney, yes [10:35] sweet [10:35] Laney: what "applet"? how do you open it? [10:35] I go to gnome-control-center and click network [10:35] is that part of g-c-c itself? [10:36] pitti, ok ill keep it open [10:36] desrt: hmm, does that ring a bell? https://launchpadlibrarian.net/79223405/buildlog_ubuntu-oneiric-amd64.glib2.0_2.29.90-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz [10:36] Session terminated, terminating shell... ...terminated. [10:36] /gdbus/delivery-in-thread: make[5]: *** wait: No child processes. Stop. [10:37] I can re-try a build, I'll save the build log [10:37] (didn't happen locally) [10:37] Laney: yes [10:38] pitti, yeah, please retry and save the log [10:38] seb128: yep, done; http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/tmp/buildlog_ubuntu-oneiric-amd64.glib2.0_2.29.90-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz [10:48] hrm, i dont seem to be able to find out how to add an entry to the launcher [10:49] i need a way to do that from a script/package without running dbus available [10:49] and all i cqan find is docs on how to create a launcher [10:55] hmmm, trying to make it possible to create and upload mozilla source packages from the datacenter is turning in to a bit of a pain [10:56] random thunderbird freezes since the last update this morning; is that a known issue? [10:59] oh, i forgot to bzr launchpad-login [10:59] d'oh [11:00] dbarth, no, i've not seen anything like that [11:01] grmbl, why isnt the transition from gconf to the new launcher model properly documented, sigh [11:01] or are gconf keys for favorites still used ? [11:03] right, moment of truth time. lets see if i can get the daily builds to run without hammering my bandwidth now :) [11:16] can someone sponsor this https://code.launchpad.net/~rodrigo-moya/ubuntu/oneiric/system-config-printer/fix-842092/+merge/74394 please? [11:17] no, no need to, it's on the desktop set! === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [11:24] rodrigo_, did you type the second command on the g-s-d bug you commented on? [11:24] you wanted to ask for the min value the second time? [11:30] seb128, hmm [11:31] pitti, can we teach apport to stop duplicating from closed bugs? [11:31] or from "invalid" bugs rather [11:31] seb128: yeah, that's due to the missing dup db consolidation [11:31] which is due to LP timing out [11:31] well maybe "closed" is better ;-) [11:31] seb128: seems we'll need a different approach there [11:31] pitti, hum? [11:31] I have an idea about it, though [11:31] seb128: can you give me an example bug? [11:32] pitti, what has consolidation to do with that? [11:32] seb128: consolidation updates the dupe db for open/closed at which version [11:32] division by 0 can still happen i guess [11:32] hadess, the last duplicates are for 3.1.91 [11:32] but at least the error paths are ok [11:32] hadess, yes [11:32] where's the stack trace with the latest g-s-d? [11:32] hadess, no stacktrace, the retracer in lp doesn't et the stacktrace again if it's a duplicate [11:32] [11:32] pitti, today's example of an issue [11:32] right [11:32] but would be nice to have an example dupe bug for this [11:32] anyway, I can find one as well, I guess [11:33] rodrigo_, ^ do you have an example? [11:33] pitti, I will tell you next time we get one [11:33] an example of what? [11:33] pitti, but it's nothing new, we have the issue for ever I think [11:34] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-settings-daemon/+bug/833595 is the one I was talking about with hadess [11:34] Ubuntu bug 833595 in gnome-settings-daemon "gnome-settings-daemon crashed with SIGFPE in backlight_get_percentage()" [Critical,Fix released] [11:34] pitti, if a segfault signature match one of the db it will close it as duplicate and clean it so you loose any way to get a newer or better stacktrace [11:34] if it gets a duplicate for a newer version, it just marks it as dup, but it would be good to update the main bug with the stacktrace for the new version [11:34] if that's possible [11:35] pitti, did the glib update drop symbols? i.e g_unix_signal_add_watch_full [11:41] seb128: desrt mentioned on gtk-devel that last snapshot broke api+abi [11:46] " [11:46] * API/ABI changes: [11:46] - unix signal watches now match the API of all of the other sources [11:46] - revert the addition of g_date_time_source_new () from last release" [11:46] he mentioned yes [11:46] * rodrigo_ lunch [12:10] ok, I'm out for a few hours, bbl [12:12] seb128: yes, that symbol was dropped; I didn't notice anythign that actually used it and fails on it, though, did you? [12:13] pitti, we got a bug about evolution not starting [12:13] on that symbol missing [12:14] guess it needs to be updated to 3.1.91 [12:14] ah, I see [12:14] will do that later if nobody else do [12:14] oh, doesn't appear on versions [12:14] it's not on the default installation [12:14] seb128: ok, thanks [12:14] so it slipped out [12:14] seb128: ah, that's only default install? [12:15] you need to click on the "+" next to package for non default install [12:15] I thought we didn't ship gnome-user-docs any more either [12:15] aah [12:15] we have a whitelist in versions.py for things to show anyway, maybe it's there? [12:15] well I've pinged cyphermox_ about the evo update yesterday but he didn't reply [12:15] not sure if he's around this way [12:16] pitti, but don't bother we can deal with that later [12:16] I've to run now though, we will be back later [12:16] seb128: ok, sorry about that [12:18] pitti, not your fault and no worry, still an unstable cycle ;-) [12:18] ok, I got to go, see you later === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow === smspillaz is now known as smstacking === m_conley_away is now known as m_conley [13:08] seb128: you pinged me about evo yesterday? I never saw it [13:09] I can update it now if nobody did it yet [13:10] cyphermox_: thanks [13:21] pitti: is anyone looking at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/couchdb/+bug/817656 ? i see a merge proposal for it. is dholbach the right person to review it? [13:21] Ubuntu bug 817656 in couchdb "Please merge couchdb 1.1.0-1 (main) from Debian unstable (main)" [High,In progress] [13:24] dobey: can be done by any sponsor, but it needs a FFE, I suppose? (new upstream version) [13:26] hmm [13:26] needing an FFE for a severe bug fix sucks :( === m_conley is now known as m_conley_away [13:28] dobey: unless the current version doesn't work at all? [13:29] is the new upstream bugfix? [13:29] pitti: it doesn't. and i can't mark the desktopcouch bug a dup of that one, because it has too many dups and timeout errors :( [13:29] and the bug trail has several problems, too [13:29] Laney: couchdb is a clusterbomb of insanity like firefox [13:29] sigh [13:30] the main rdepends are python-couchdb (and its rdepends) and two universe packages which don't sound very interesting [13:30] so I don't mind upgrading to the new version [13:30] but the severe performance regression should be addressed perhaps? (there is a proposal how to fix this) [13:36] pitti: hrmm, that suggestion is also suggested to be set in the desktopcouch config, and leave the upstream defaults as they are in the couchdb package [13:36] pitti: not sure which would be better/preferred there [13:38] More random spurious dconf/ directories! [13:52] reboot needed, brb :) === m_conley_away is now known as m_conley === canis is now known as Guest18878 === Guest18878 is now known as babygenius55 [14:41] good night everyone! [15:04] re [15:05] cyphermox_, hi, no worry [15:05] pitti: i think so? [15:05] pitti: there is a kernel and/or libc bug that's causing a lot of glib tests to hang lately [15:06] pitti: i tried to ping doko about it, but got no love [15:10] pedro_, hola! [15:10] seb128, hey hey ;-) [15:10] pedro_, how are you? [15:11] seb128, doing good and you? [15:11] I'm fine thanks [15:11] pedro_, sept. 07 12:55:59 rodrigo, and tell pedro that i won't take any bugs for the media-keys plugin, and that i require versions in the bug reports [15:11] just for info [15:11] sept. 07 12:56:12 it's really pissing me off that i have to go and look for those in launchpad [15:12] pedro_, so maybe copy the package version in the description of the bugs you forward ;-) [15:12] seb128, ok so same special treatment we do with rhythmbox ;-) [15:12] what about rb? [15:16] empathy is broken again? just for me or is it an international problem? :> [15:16] broken in which sense? [15:16] works fine for me [15:16] dbl clicking on a name in the contact list doesn't open chat window [15:17] ah, there's a new version... I'll try this one [15:20] cyphermox_, bug #843769 can probably be closed with the evolution update btw [15:20] Launchpad bug 843769 in evolution "evolution not start" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/843769 [15:20] "evolution: symbol lookup error: evolution: undefined symbol: g_unix_signal_add_watch_full" [15:20] that's thanks to desrt! [15:20] thanks [15:20] I tried to reproduce it but so far couldn't? [15:20] maybe I need to reboot or something before all the libs get used [15:20] (I was updating this morning) [15:21] cyphermox_, what glib version did you get? [15:21] 2.29.18-0ubuntu3 [15:21] cyphermox_, the new version failed to build first so maybe you didn't it yet on your architecture, it's 2.29.90 [15:21] ok [15:21] so you didn't get it yet [15:21] ah :) [15:21] well in any case it's a glib abi break [15:21] well, this will be fixed soon in evo [15:22] then I'll fix the NBS right away, I checked what would be affected ;) [15:22] ok [15:27] pedro_, was there anything to fix still in bug #840611 [15:27] ? [15:27] Launchpad bug 840611 in seahorse "seahorse dropped the libcryptui-dev package, needed by almanah and seahorse-plugins" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/840611 [15:28] seb128, seems pitti fixed all , so nope [15:28] pedro_, ok, I closed it, feel free to reopen if you notice issues due to it [15:29] will do it [15:45] hi [15:46] it seems that g-s-d is breaking whenever I log in with no power on. [15:46] no power plugged in, rather. [15:56] jml, breaking like segfault? did you use apport to send the bug? [15:56] seb128: yeah, probably about a half-dozen times already [15:56] jml, can you give me the numbers? [15:57] seb128: I don't know if it's a segfault. What happens is that none of the theming or key mod changes seem to work. And then, when I log out then log in again I'm prompted to report an issue. [15:57] seb128: sure. [15:57] * jml looks through mail logs [15:58] bug 836014 [15:58] Launchpad bug 836014 in gnome-settings-daemon "gnome-settings-daemon crashed with SIGSEGV in g_closure_invoke()" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/836014 [15:59] jml, that's a segfault [15:59] SIGSEGV [15:59] pitti, Okay, so flash installer is still not working for me. [15:59] seb128: hi [15:59] pitti, It doesn't seem to want to go down and install the i386 deps all the way down. [15:59] hey Nafallo [15:59] seb128: sure. It's more that I didn't remember details. [16:00] tedg, h's off for today, try #ubuntu-devel [16:00] seb128: I've been filing stacks of oneiric bugs this last week, they all tend to blur together. [16:00] seb128: I have a weird bug I've seen twice over the last few weeks, and I'm not sure where to file it. thought you would be a good person to ask :-) [16:00] hey cyphermox_: is nm-applet supposed to be creating system-owned connections by default instead of user-owned? [16:01] jml, is that real hardware or virtualbox? [16:01] seb128: real hardware. [16:01] broder: yup, one of the major changes in NM 0.9 [16:01] jml, can you run "/usr/lib/gnome-settings-daemon/gsd-backlight-helper --get-brightness" with no power plugged? [16:01] Nafallo, sure, just ask [16:01] seb128: when I alt+tab, the transparent selector thing doesn't disappear afterwards. stuff underneath is still accessible, just quite hard to see. restarting the x-session fixes it. any idea what it could be/heard of it before? === eeejay_is_afk is now known as eeejay [16:01] seb128: sure. [16:01] Nafallo, seems like a compiz issue [16:02] cyphermox_: err, right. i know the architectural stuff, but you can still create "user-owned" connections that are stored in the system settings service [16:02] cyphermox_: i ask because right now i get prompted by polkit every time i connect to a new network [16:02] yes, you can still create user-owned connections [16:02] cyphermox_: but we don't by default? [16:02] seb128: okay. that seems like a good suspect indeed. my others was metacity or unity :-) [16:03] broder: my guess is that you're missing an update of some sort. initially it was prompting all the time, but that was fixed in the polkit policy some time ago (like, months) [16:03] Nafallo, it's unity-3d right? [16:03] seb128: yeah [16:03] 4 year old hardware (at least) [16:03] :-P [16:03] cyphermox_: hmm...ok, i'll try to upgrade soon and then come back and harass you :) [16:04] broder: I think it may have been because of a dist-upgrade from natty early on, is that possible? [16:04] cyphermox_: my config is screwy, i actually backported the NM 0.9 and nm-applet 0.9-rc packages to natty [16:05] this may be totally my fault [16:05] but yeah, if upgrades currently break in this way and keep doing Vista-like "do you allow XYZ", then it's a bug that should have been fixed [16:05] ok. in this case, check policykit or the package that ships the policy (hold on, trying to figure out which it was) [16:05] cyphermox_: the polkit rules come from the NM package [16:06] it has auth_admin_keep for the system settings [16:06] broder: nah, there's some other piece. someone from the security team did the upload :) [16:06] oh, there was a polkit change? ok, i can believe that [16:07] oe maybe you're right [16:07] but IIRC there was a change in other rules outside NM [16:07] ok. i'll try to actually upgrade soon and test on oneiric [16:08] ok. let me know [16:15] cyphermox_: Thanks for the network icon in Xubuntu Oneiric. It finally came back. :) [16:15] charlie-tca: my pleasure. it was kinda fun to debug and figure out [16:15] seb128: sorry, am on a phone call. I run it, it says 15. [16:16] seb128: same plugged in and unplugged [16:16] intially I had gotten it to show both the indicator and tray icon at once, but figured having just one instance of nm-applet was a good thing :) [16:17] Probably true [16:18] It is good to see the indicator again [16:18] so I take it you don't use the indicator widget? [16:18] jml, ok, no hurry, it would be useful to get a stacktrace using gdb, I've put a comment on the bug, whenever somebody can try to do that the info would be useful, I will have rodrigo to look at it since apparently he though he had fixed the bug but it's still happening [16:18] I said I'd try to fix the bluetooth, jockey and etc too, perhaps I should get to that now [16:18] I don't know what we use. [16:18] bluetooth is a nightmare for us. We are probably going to have to go to blueman for it === ejat is now known as fenris [16:19] I can't keep all the names of these things straight. I look in the panel, I got an icon, or I don't got an icon ;) === fenris is now known as Guest40004 === Guest40004 is now known as ejat [16:21] seb128: thanks. [16:21] jml, yw ;-) [16:21] charlie-tca: if bluetooth is currently showing as a broken icon, then you don't have the indicator widget in the panel (I thought that was the difference between the Xfce and Xubuntu sessions) [16:28] Bluetooth doesn't show at all in my panel, but I have nothing that uses it either [16:36] charlie-tca: ok [16:46] chrisccoulson, could you have a look to bug #832603 when you have some time? [16:46] Launchpad bug 832603 in gnome-settings-daemon "gnome-settings-daemon crashed with SIGSEGV in g_simple_async_result_complete()" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/832603 [16:47] chrisccoulson, it's in the media-key code and upstream is not really wanting to look at it since we do some patching around there [16:47] chrisccoulson, you probably know the code best around so would be nice if you could have a look to it === eeejay is now known as eeejay_is_afk [16:51] seb128, yeah, sure [16:51] chrisccoulson, thanks [16:56] yay progress. [16:56] uninstalling rabbitmq-server makes "Restart" restart. [16:56] I wonder if it fixes suspend / resume too. That'd be awesome. [16:56] * jml tests [17:26] hrmm [17:26] ok, time for dinner. See you tomorrow! [17:27] is there a calendar application installed by default in oneiric, or is that a missing feature now? [17:28] dobey, no calendar application by default [17:29] seb128: should we split evolution-couchdb into 2 separate packages? (one for the e-d-s plug-ins, and one for the evolution gui plug-ins) [17:30] seb128: so people can get contacts sync in tb without having to install the evo gui [17:30] dobey, chrisccoulson was supposed to work on that [17:30] dunno what happened to it [17:30] chrisccoulson, ^ [17:31] yes, we should do that [17:31] i haven't done it yet because desktopcouch seems to be completely broken anyway [17:31] and is resulting in people reporting bugs against thunderbird already ;) [17:31] couchdb 1.1.0 fixes the desktopcouch brokenness. it's just that couchdb 1.0 doesn't work with new erlang that's in oneiric [17:32] heh [17:32] does that mean we are completely screwed? ;) [17:32] well there's a bug requesting couchdb 1.1.0 sync from debian, and a merge proposal for it [17:32] the plan was that i would split evolution-couchdb, and then provide a small tb extension to create the couchdb addressbook [17:33] and i've already written the extension [17:33] but new couchdb seems to suck at performance by default [17:33] chrisccoulson, when are you off again? [17:33] seb128, good question [17:33] and pitti didn't answer if it was preferred to fix that in couchdb itself, or in desktopcouch [17:33] seb128, just in time for final freeze, i think ;) [17:33] dobey, "that" being? [17:33] chrisccoulson, ok, so you still have time for that couchdb and contact syncing work? [17:34] seb128: there's a configuration change that makes the performance match what was in 11.04 [17:34] seb128, yeah [17:34] chrisccoulson, some people will be unhappy at us if we don't have contact syncing working with tb for Oneiric ;-) [17:34] seb128: that change can either go in the couchdb package as a patch, or we can stick it in desktopcouch, so that it always gets used by desktopcouch, but system couch uses upstream couch defaults [17:35] dobey, seems better to fix couchdb directly? [17:35] seb128: i'd say enough people are already upset that it doesn't work with evolution :) [17:35] dobey, right, well rick checked with us that contact syncing will work in tb for oneiric some weeks ago [17:36] seb128: i would think so, but i don't know enough to say definite one way or the other [17:36] well syncing still works [17:37] it's just that you can't see them from evolution or tb :) [17:37] dobey, well first step would be to address the issues on https://code.launchpad.net/~wibblymat/ubuntu/oneiric/couchdb/update-to-1.1.0/+merge/74236 [17:37] afaik, replication still works fine, so long as you're not stuck on the finicky server that can sometimes be problematic, and that we're working on getting fixed/replaced [17:38] Daniel Holbach (dholbach) wrote on 2011-08-18 Posted in a previous version of this proposal [17:38] "libjs-jquery-form is in universe. It would need to follow https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MainInclusionProcess" [17:38] you need a ffe as well now [17:38] can we just move couchdb to universe? [17:39] if everything which install couchdb on demand handle enabling universe when it's not set I guess we could [17:40] what all installs it on demand? just u1 control panel? [17:40] not sure but I think so [17:41] dobey, well demoting couchdb would be demoting anything which has a depends,recommends,build-depends on one of its binaries [17:41] or one of the binaries from desktopcouch, etc [17:41] if so, you can consider that done. it's like 20 minutes of work for me to do tops, and i think it's not enabling universe atm for installing bindwood either, so we'd need to fix that anyway [17:41] not sure if any package use it to build in main [17:41] i'm fine with that :) [17:42] well you still need a ffe [17:42] just couchdb-glib and evolution-couchdb afaik [17:42] ffe because it is a major version bump? [17:42] yes [17:43] that and the demotion probably need an archive admin review to check that actual nothing uses it [17:44] i wish apt-cache had rbuild-depends [17:44] dobey, for example if evolution-couchdb has a build-depends on some couchdb component it will need to go to universe [17:44] i don't think anything needs it to compile though [17:44] dobey, so you can't get a binary installed for tb by default [17:44] seb128: we already can't have it installed by default because it's not on the CD [17:45] we removed it from CD for 11.04 [17:45] so nothing installed by default is using couchdb/desktopcouch [17:45] dobey, you can use http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/germinate-output/ubuntu.oneiric/rdepends/couchdb/couchdb-bin [17:46] or similar [17:46] but yeah, demoting the erlang,couchdb stack would be nice ;-) [17:46] seb128: that is just binary package deps though, doesn't show build-depends. like if soemthing used it to run tests [17:46] but i don't think anything does, that's not in that list [17:47] and odd that evolution-couchdb is listed there, instead of couchdb-glib :) [17:47] dobey, germinate does list build-depends [17:47] dobey, see http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/germinate-output/ubuntu.oneiric/rdepends/xorg-server/xvfb [17:47] hmm [17:47] ok, gotta run [17:47] appointment [17:48] see you later [17:54] !seen jasoncwarner_ [17:54] I have no seen command [17:54] * Sweetshark hands ubot2` a cookie. [17:55] seb128: just attached a thing that's a backtrace of a segfault in g-s-d in bug 836014 [17:55] Launchpad bug 836014 in gnome-settings-daemon "gnome-settings-daemon crashed with SIGSEGV in idle_is_session_inhibited()" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/836014 [17:55] seb128: might be a different crash though. [17:56] jml, thanks [17:57] jml, could you get one with gnome-settings-daemon-dbgsym installed? ;-) [17:57] Hi. I'm not sure if this is the right channel for this, but I was wondering if anyone could help me with an ubuntu gtk problem. [17:58] Elvar, hey [17:58] hi seb128 [17:58] seb128: ok [17:58] what sort of question? [17:58] jml, thanks [17:59] Elvar, user questions should rather go on #ubuntu [17:59] have to go for dinner, bbl [18:01] thx. i'll go there [18:01] how do I install gnome-settings-daemon-dbgsym? [18:02] jml, cf 1. on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Backtrace [18:02] pitti: ImportError: /usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/gi/_gi.so: undefined symbol: g_callable_info_skip_return with the experimental version [18:04] seb128: thanks. go eat dinner. :) [18:26] seb128: OK. trace w/ symbols uploaded. I also need to eat, and am running out of morale so might not come back. [18:50] jml, thanks, no hurry for debugging go enjoy your evening and come back tomorrow with morale set to high ;-) [19:22] /usr/share/gnome-session/sessions/gnome-classic.session requires notification-daemon or it will fallback to the metacity version [19:23] will installing notification-daemon interfere with Unity's notifications? === eeejay_is_afk is now known as eeejay [19:55] so, bug 832603 will definitely occur if the media-keys plugin is stopped before the callback passed to g_bus_get is fired [19:55] Launchpad bug 832603 in gnome-settings-daemon "gnome-settings-daemon crashed with SIGSEGV in g_simple_async_result_complete()" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/832603 [19:55] i wonder what would cause that condition to happen though? [19:57] jml, is that the bug you were looking at eariler? [20:27] Anyone know of a bug that concerns Qt apps crashing compiz? [20:47] chrisccoulson, no, jml's bug what in another .so === m_conley is now known as m_conley_away [21:16] chrisccoulson: ping. were you going to split up the evo-couchdb package, or should i go ahead and do that? [21:19] dobey: split up evo-couchdb? [21:20] cyphermox_: yes into 2 packages. one for the evolution gui bits, and one for the e-d-s backend bits [21:20] mmkay [21:21] so you can use the e-d-s backend stuff in thunderbird I guess? [21:21] cyphermox_: so using contacts sync in tb won't require installing all of evolution [21:21] fun [21:21] well, I won't stop you. evo-couchdb will need at least a rebuild soon (e-d-s/evo updates) [21:22] cyphermox_: new versions break ABI? [21:23] dobey: libcamel-1.2-29 [21:23] instead of -28 [21:24] lovely [21:24] i wonder why they don't just change it to -3.0 at this point === eeejay is now known as eeejay_is_afk === eeejay_is_afk is now known as eeejay