[04:04] <pitti> Good morning
[04:06] <pitti> dobey, hyperair: FWIW, we _did_ discuss how to do major U1 upgrades through SRU
[04:06] <pitti> TheMuso: is that Gdk GType problem new, i. e. a regression since the last GTK upload, or has always been there?
[04:07] <TheMuso> pitti: I don't know about how long its been there. Are you referring to bug 769256?
[04:07] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 769256 in gtk+3.0 "Gdk enumerations do not contain GType info in GIR" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/769256
[04:08] <TheMuso> pitti: This bug has only really popped up now as being serious since accerciser and orca moved to gobject introspection/GTK3.
[04:09] <pitti> TheMuso: ah, ok; anyway, I'll compare it to natty's .girs, to see whether it was a recent regression or just am missing thing in pygobject
[04:09] <pitti> err, g-i
[04:09] <TheMuso> ok
[05:37] <didrocks> good morning
[05:39] <BigWhale> what he said.
[05:40] <pitti> bonjour didrocks
[05:40] <TheMuso> Morning didrocks.
[05:40] <didrocks> guten morgen pitti, how are you?
[05:41] <didrocks> hey TheMuso :)
[05:41] <pitti> didrocks: I'm fine, thanks!
[05:46] <BigWhale> Is anyone here running Gwibber?
[05:55] <rickspencer3> good morning pitti, didrocks, et al
[05:56] <rickspencer3> I hope everyone is doing very well today
[05:56] <didrocks> hey rickspencer3, how are you?
[05:56] <rickspencer3> didrocks, doing well
[05:56] <rickspencer3> today is kinda big day for me
[05:57] <rickspencer3> 20th wedding anniversary!
[05:57] <rickspencer3> didrocks, how about you?
[05:57] <didrocks> rickspencer3: oh, happy birthday to you and your wife then, congratulation :)
[05:58] <rickspencer3> hehe
[05:58] <micahg> rickspencer3: congrats!
[05:58] <rickspencer3> nice translation
[05:58] <rickspencer3> thanks micahg
[05:58] <rickspencer3> we're celebrating with the kids this evening with pizza and bowling, and then a proper celebration on Friday
[05:58] <didrocks> rickspencer3: I'm fine as well, hoping today will be less busy than the past few ones. Crossing fingers :)
[05:59] <rickspencer3> didrocks, bon chance
[05:59] <didrocks> rickspencer3: how are you kids getting used to France? not too lost?
[05:59] <rickspencer3> didrocks, they are fine
[05:59] <rickspencer3> kids are adaptable
[05:59] <rickspencer3> and their school is in English
[05:59] <didrocks> pitti: you asked for some stats on software-center, it seems that the income of "new bugs" is not higher since the gtk3 version: http://status.qa.ubuntu.com/qapkgstatus/software-center
[06:00] <didrocks> rickspencer3: did the new year started last Monday, as other French school?
[06:00] <pitti> didrocks: oh, nice! I keep forgetting about all these graphs :)
[06:00] <pitti> hey rickspencer3, how are you?
[06:00] <rickspencer3> didrocks, last Thursday, actually
[06:00] <pitti> rickspencer3: ooh, congrats to your 20th anniversary!
[06:00] <rickspencer3> thanks pitti
[06:01] <pitti> rickspencer3: do your kids learn some French as well?
[06:03] <rickspencer3> pitti, they are starting
[06:03] <rickspencer3> pitti,  my daughter has French and German language classes
[06:03] <rickspencer3> and our new neighbors are german with a girl my exactly my daughter's age
[06:03] <rickspencer3> AND the orchestra my daughter is in is combined with the German school
[06:04] <rickspencer3> so, I wouldn't be surprised if she ends up with more German than French after this year ;)
[06:07] <pitti> nice! they should pick it up in no time then
[06:25] <Sweetshark> morning.
[06:26] <didrocks> hey Sweetshark
[06:26] <pitti> hey Sweetshark
[07:05] <robert_ancell> pitti, I need to do a ffe for unity-greeter, should I open a master bug for this?
[07:06] <pitti> robert_ancell: if there's already a bug for the thing you want to add, use that one
[07:06] <robert_ancell> there's about 10...
[07:06] <pitti> robert_ancell: hm, use one of them and give the numbers to the other ones perhaps?
[07:06] <pitti> robert_ancell: but as you like, it doesn't matter much
[07:37] <chrisccoulson> good morning everyone
[07:37] <pitti> hey chrisccoulson
[07:37] <chrisccoulson> hi pitti, how are you?
[07:37] <didrocks> good morning chrisccoulson!
[07:37] <chrisccoulson> hi didrocks
[08:03] <czajkowski> morning
[08:04] <czajkowski> has anyone had any experience of apport crashing on them? it knows something has failed yet cannot get itself right to report the bug ?
[08:04] <pitti> czajkowski: I did a fix for that yesterday or Monday
[08:05] <czajkowski> pitti: did you :) ohh
[08:05] <czajkowski> I reported the bug yesterday
[08:05] <czajkowski> doing some updates now
[08:05] <pitti> czajkowski: if you have all updates from today, and it still happens, please run it from a terminal and give me the stack trace
[08:05] <czajkowski> so *hopefully* will do it
[08:05] <czajkowski> pitti: will do, thanks
[08:09] <pitti> chrisccoulson: are you going to do a new upload of thunderbird-gnome-support soon?
[08:09] <chrisccoulson> pitti - what for?
[08:09] <pitti> chrisccoulson: it uses some NBS libs like libdbusmenu-gtk3, libebook1.2-11, libedataserver1.2-14
[08:09] <pitti> these three
[08:10] <chrisccoulson> oh, did i forgeto to update those? i actually fixed the extensions to load the new libs, but must have forgotten to update those dependencies
[08:10] <chrisccoulson> i need to find a way to automate that ;)
[08:10] <pitti> chrisccoulson: oh, don't you build-dep on the -dev packages?
[08:10] <chrisccoulson> pitti - no, these libs are used with ctypes from JS, so they're basically dlopen'd at runtime
[08:11] <pitti> chrisccoulson: but you could build-dep on the -dev packages and then create the binary dependencies dynamically?
[08:11] <rodrigo_> morning
[08:11] <pitti> hey rodrigo_, how are you?
[08:11] <chrisccoulson> pitti - yeah, possibly
[08:12] <rodrigo_> hi pitti, chrisccoulson
[08:12] <pitti> chrisccoulson: anyway, it's the last or pre-last main package which has NBS problems
[08:13] <chrisccoulson> pitti - oh, how up-to-date is that information?
[08:13] <chrisccoulson> it looks like i already fixed it
[08:13] <pitti> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/nbs.html
[08:13] <pitti> shoudl run every hour actually
[08:14] <pitti> 07-Sep-2011 08:00 52K
[08:14] <pitti> seems reasonably current (this is DC time)
[08:14] <pitti> it's 08:14 in the DC
[08:14] <chrisccoulson> pitti - http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/thunderbird/thunderbird-beta.head/revision/345 and http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/thunderbird/thunderbird-beta.head/revision/346
[08:15] <pitti> hm, werid
[08:15] <pitti> indeed, apt-cache show has the current one
[08:15] <pitti> chrisccoulson: thanks, I'll investigate
[08:16] <chrisccoulson> thanks
[08:19] <rodrigo_> pitti, you didn't sponsor https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/+source/evolution-rss/+bug/773763 , is it because there's anything missing from my side?
[08:19] <ubot2`> Ubuntu bug 773763 in evolution-rss "evolution freeze on startup with the plug-in "evolution-rss"" [High,In progress]
[08:19] <seb128> hey
[08:19] <rodrigo_> bonjour seb128
[08:20] <seb128> hey rodrigo_, how are you?
[08:20] <rodrigo_> seb128, ça va bien, et toi? :)
[08:21] <seb128> rodrigo_, doh, my spanish is not good enough to reply to that! I'm good thanks ;-)
[08:21] <rodrigo_> :D
[08:21] <didrocks> salut seb128
[08:22] <didrocks> good morning rodrigo_
[08:22] <seb128> lut didrocks
[08:22] <rodrigo_> salut didrocks
[08:22] <seb128> ok, over 300 emails during the night in my bugs box I was going to complain
[08:22] <seb128> but half of it is the janitor which cleaned old bugs
[08:22] <pitti> hey seb128
[08:22] <seb128> so that's ok ;-)
[08:22] <seb128> hey pitti
[08:22] <didrocks> seb128: filtering filtering! :)
[08:22] <seb128> didrocks, yeah ;-)
[08:23] <seb128> rodrigo_, if you get g-c-c work done maybe only upload around the end of the day
[08:23] <rodrigo_> seb128, oh, why?
[08:23] <seb128> rodrigo_, seems we do 3-4 g-c-c uploads a day, we could probably batch a bit in the vcs before uploading
[08:24] <seb128> rodrigo_, well, if you know other fixes will come the same day maybe no need to push several updates to buildds and users
[08:24] <rodrigo_> seb128, yes, it's because I'm going through the bug list, and don't know what the next bug is
[08:24] <seb128> i.e spare some buildds time and bandwith ;-)
[08:24] <rodrigo_> but yes, will keep the branch UNRELEASED until the end of the day
[08:24] <seb128> rodrigo_, it's not only you, I did an upload as well yesterday ;-)
[08:24] <rodrigo_> ok
[08:25] <seb128> rodrigo_, well not a strict rule, but if you think it's likely another fix will come in the next 2 hours better to way and batch
[08:25] <rodrigo_> yeah, right
[08:29] <pitti> seb128: btw, do you know why versions shows the glib upstream version as 1.2.x?
[08:29] <pitti> seb128: it seems the "stable" version is 2.90.x, and the "unstable" version is 1.2.x
[08:29] <pitti> seb128: but this thing confuses me, it pulls from people.gnome.org/~vuntz/tmp/versions/versions-unstable for both the stable and the unstable dictionary
[08:30] <pitti> so I don't obviously see where it takes the 1.2.x from
[08:34] <czajkowski> pitti: still happening ;(
[08:34] <czajkowski> I've done todays updates/upgrade and restarted and as sooon as I open up anything the apport thingy pops up but doesn't go anywhere
[08:35] <pitti> czajkowski: can you run "apport-bug" in a terminal? does that work?
[08:36] <czajkowski> let me see
[08:36] <czajkowski> pitti: You need to specify a package or a PID. See --help for more information.
[08:36] <czajkowski> dialogue box pops up
[08:37] <pitti> err, what?
[08:37] <Laney> are you talking about the infinitely respawning apport dialog of doom?
[08:37] <pitti> czajkowski: is that running GNOME or KDE?
[08:37] <czajkowski> Laney: yes!
[08:37] <czajkowski> pitti: Gnome
[08:37] <pitti> apport-bug should print nothign and just ask you which symptom you have
[08:38] <Laney> I've had that too, apport-bug works
[08:38] <Laney> then again I xkilled it to make it stop
[08:39] <pitti> Laney: any stack trace? can you run it from a terminal?
[08:39] <pitti> simplest: "apport-bug", if that doesn't crash, run apport-bug /var/crash/something..
[08:40] <doko_> mterry, pitti: python-mocker needs a MIR, and a conversion from python-support
[08:40] <pitti> yep, seen already
[08:40] <Tommeh> The following packages will be REMOVED
[08:40] <Tommeh>   libegl1-mesa libegl1-mesa-drivers
[08:40] <Tommeh> The following packages will be upgraded:
[08:40] <Tommeh>   libwayland0
[08:41] <Tommeh> Eep.
[08:41] <pitti> Tommeh: seems ok?
[08:41] <czajkowski> pitti: http://twitpic.com/6h9pzd/full  and http://twitpic.com/6h9qej/full
[08:41] <Tommeh> Does libwayland0 really replace libegl & drivers? :/
[08:42] <pitti> czajkowski: ok, this looks utterly utterly wrong
[08:42] <czajkowski> pitti: welcome to my last 3 days
[08:42] <czajkowski> I just pretend it's not there any more
[08:42] <pitti> czajkowski: can you please run sh -ex /usr/bin/apport-bug and pastebin?
[08:42] <czajkowski> sure
[08:43] <pitti> czajkowski: do you see anything else on stderr when you run apport-bug?
[08:43] <pitti> ah, no
[08:43] <Laney> pitti: it's probably something auto-respawning and crashing; apport pops up again after I cancel its previous dialog
[08:43] <vuntz> pitti: the glib thing is there to enable people who track both glib 2.x and glib 1.x
[08:44] <pitti> vuntz: yes, that seems fine; it's a little weird that 1.2 is unstable and 2.9.x stable, but either way, it's a bug in the script which generates our versions.html
[08:44] <pitti> Laney, czajkowski: first, please remove all /var/crash/* and killall update-notifier
[08:44] <pitti> to avoid the automatic popups get in the way
[08:45] <vuntz> pitti: well, versions-unstable doesn't track unstable version
[08:45] <vuntz> pitti: it tracks versions of all software in all interesting branches, for the 3.1.x development cycle
[08:45] <czajkowski> done
[08:46] <vuntz> pitti: which includes the glib 1.2.x branch
[08:46] <vuntz> pitti: but I'll be the first to admit it's a bit confusing :-)
[08:46] <czajkowski> pitti: http://paste.ubuntu.com/684214/
[08:48] <pitti> czajkowski: what happens on /usr/share/apport/apport-gtk -f
[08:49] <czajkowski> pitti: what do you mean, sorry
[08:49] <pitti> czajkowski: if you run "/usr/share/apport/apport-gtk -f"
[08:50] <pitti> what happen?
[08:50] <czajkowski> ah ok sorry
[08:50] <czajkowski> it's early
[08:50] <czajkowski> pitti: you need to specify a package or a PID. See --help for more information. pops up again
[08:53] <glatzor> hello pitti, do you have got any idea why the widgets in the gtk3 expander are so small? I tried resize and different sizes already, lp #739647
[08:53] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 739647 in aptdaemon "Update manager error window is too small to read and is not resizable." [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/739647
[08:57] <pitti> czajkowski, glatzor: on the phone, bbl
[08:58] <czajkowski> pitti: no worries
[09:06] <jasoncwarner_> didrocks: hey...I was having SHIFT+ALT+TAB probs today so I did a unity --reset
[09:06] <jasoncwarner_> now I can't CTRL+ALT+T for terminal...is that related?
[09:06] <didrocks> jasoncwarner_: hey, no, it's not related, this key is hosted by metacity
[09:07] <didrocks> jasoncwarner_: are you up to date? I pushed some fixes for ctrl + Alt + T yesterday, if so, you can reset it in g-c-c
[09:07] <jasoncwarner_> didrocks: I am...as of 2 hours ago (updating now)
[09:07] <didrocks> jasoncwarner_: should be fine, opened g-c-c, keyboard, shortcuts, launchers
[09:08] <kamstrup> jasoncwarner_: hi - that zeitgeistbug you tweeted... any special way to reproduce?
[09:08] <didrocks> jasoncwarner_: and you have "launch a terminal" there
[09:08] <didrocks> jasoncwarner_: if you set it back (which is the default now), it should be fine
[09:08] <jasoncwarner_> kamstrup: log in  ;)
[09:08] <kamstrup> jasoncwarner_: uh, i tried hat once ;-)
[09:08] <jasoncwarner_> kamstrup: that is all I really do. I just boot up (I usually do that after I update just to be sure)
[09:08] <pitti> czajkowski: do you have apport-symptoms installed?
[09:08] <kamstrup> jasoncwarner_: thing is that this stack trace is crazy! :-)
[09:09] <pitti> czajkowski: or, trying differently, does this work: /usr/share/apport/apport-gtk -f -p coreutils
[09:09] <jasoncwarner_> kamstrup: anyhting you want me to try to reproduce? I typically get it just by rebooting ;)
[09:09] <didrocks> can't it be the "shutdown" issue? is the timestamp really the one when logging in?
[09:10] <kamstrup> jasoncwarner_: if you can confirm you get it fairly often I have an updated module you can manually install...
[09:10] <pitti> Laney: do you get a stack trace when you run "apport-bug coreutils"?
[09:10] <czajkowski> pitti: gimmie a tic and I'll let you know. Thanks for the help btw.
[09:11] <Laney> pitti: no, but I just re-logged-in and didn't get the usual infinite dialog
[09:14] <pitti> chrisccoulson: ah, NBS updated, now it's only on powerpc (which hasn't built yet)
[09:14] <jasoncwarner_> kamstrup: I'll do that a bit later...or perhaps send me link...I have a bunch of calls to make tonight before I do anything reckless with my computer :)
[09:14] <chrisccoulson> pitti - excellent, thanks :)
[09:14] <czajkowski> pitti: running the above allowed me to get apport to report a bug !
[09:14] <pitti> czajkowski: ok, but didn't trigger a crash
[09:14] <pitti> czajkowski: ok, next experiment:
[09:14] <pitti> sh -c 'kill -SEGV $$'
[09:15] <pitti> apport-bug /var/crash/_bin_dash*.crash
[09:15] <czajkowski> ok that caused a crash
[09:15] <czajkowski> :/
[09:16] <czajkowski> sorry the program 'Dash'
[09:16] <kamstrup> jasoncwarner_: ok - here goes - try it when you have time: "rm -rf /usr/share/zeitgeist/_zeitgeist/engine/extensions/fts.*" then download http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~zeitgeist-extensions/zeitgeist-extensions/trunk/view/head:/fts/fts.py and copy it into place "sudo cp fts.py /usr/share/zeitgeist/_zeitgeist/engine/extensions/" and reboot and do your thing
[09:17] <seb128> pitti, seems you have a busy morning, ping me when other discussions you have started settle and you have a quiet time ;-)
[09:17] <jasoncwarner_> seb128: Pitti has quiet time? I highly doubt that! ;)
[09:18] <seb128> pitti, nothing important, I want to check if you read the backlog or notice the gir gtk bug the a11y pointed yesterday
[09:18] <pitti> seb128: yes, I got that in my mbox, I'll look at it today
[09:18] <seb128> jasoncwarner_, yeah, I was thinking the same ;-) "quiet" might not be the right word :p "less crazy" would be better ;-)
[09:18] <pitti> seb128: I have my 1-on-1 with jasoncwarner_ soon, then I can hopefully get to that
[09:19] <rodrigo_> pitti, is there any way to trigger a retrace for a bug?
[09:19] <pitti> czajkowski: yes, it was meant to crash "dash" :)
[09:19] <seb128> pitti, ok thanks, seems also that the glib,gtk documentation is having issue, I saw you tweaked the builds for those so I wanted to check if you had a clue about that as well, not hurry there either
[09:19] <pitti> czajkowski: did you get a crash/backtrace for apport-gtk?
[09:19] <pitti> rodrigo_: did the previous one fail, or did it not get to it yet?
[09:19] <czajkowski> pitti: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dash/+bug/843711
[09:19] <ubot2`> Ubuntu bug 843711 in dash "dash crashed with SIGSEGV in __kernel_vsyscall()" [Undecided,New]
[09:19] <pitti> seb128: well, "tweak" -- it seems that with some new upstream versions, --enable-gtk-doc isn't the default any more, so I had to turn that on explicitly
[09:19] <seb128> didrocks, thanks for doing GNOME updates ;-)
[09:20] <pitti> czajkowski: oh, you reported it?
[09:20] <didrocks> seb128: yw :-)
[09:20] <pitti> czajkowski: I'll invalidate that crash then
[09:20] <czajkowski> pitti: sorry :(
[09:20] <rodrigo_> pitti, it did it in a weird way -> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-settings-daemon/+bug/832160 it doesn't correspond to the crash
[09:20] <ubot2`> rodrigo_: Error: <Bugtracker.plugin.Launchpad instance at 0x8d65a2c> bug 832160 not found
[09:20] <pitti> czajkowski: no problem :)
[09:20] <rodrigo_> also, not sure why that bug is private
[09:20] <pitti> czajkowski: so, I still wonder what part of apport actually crashes for you then
[09:21] <seb128> pitti, we should maybe not build the documentation and ship the html files from the tarball, I will check on that
[09:21] <seb128> pitti, I'm looking at rodrigo_'s bug
[09:21] <pitti> rodrigo_: ah, so retracing failed
[09:21] <seb128> rodrigo_, what pitti said
[09:21] <czajkowski> pitti: yeah tis kinda annoying last night in the middle of EMEA my system frize with the menu bar going across the screen  for alt tabbing through applications and I couldnt run apport then. but today I could at least get that bug to report
[09:21] <rodrigo_> yeah
[09:21] <pitti> seb128: oh, that's why it's not built any more? but shouldn't 'make install' install the shipped html files then?
[09:22] <pitti> czajkowski: so, I guess you need to wait until you get that crash again, and then toss me the /var/crash/_usr_lib_apport_*.crash
[09:22] <seb128> rodrigo_, btw I think those are what the glib patch desrt commited yesterday and pitti backported today should fix
[09:22] <czajkowski> wil do
[09:22] <pitti> czajkowski: thanks
[09:22] <czajkowski> pitti: thanks for your help, I appreciate it
[09:22] <rodrigo_> seb128, oh, really? there are tons of duplicates / similar bugs
[09:22] <rodrigo_> seb128, what's the # for the one desrt and pitti fixed?
[09:22] <pitti> czajkowski: no worries; if it still crashes for people, I certainly want to know and fix it
[09:23] <seb128> rodrigo_, i.e 657241 on bugzilla
[09:23] <rodrigo_> ok
[09:24] <seb128> rodrigo_, I didn't do proper bug number tracking
[09:24] <rodrigo_> seb128, I'll do it now, I've got several similar bugs assigned to me
[09:25] <seb128> rodrigo_, from the gtk channel yesterday
[09:25] <seb128> sept. 06 16:27:45 <hadess>	desrt, look at that nice trace: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/page.cgi?id=trace.html&trace_id=228185
[09:26] <seb128> sept. 06 16:32:58 <desrt>	ya.  there's clearly some g_main_context_invoke() action missing here somewhere
[09:26] <seb128> sept. 06 16:34:52 <desrt>	hadess: i've a few things to tend to already today, but i'll try to look at it before the evening is out
[09:26] <seb128> sept. 06 19:32:22 <desrt>	hadess: totally stupid mistake on my part responsible for this crash
[09:26] <seb128> sept. 06 19:32:37 <desrt>	i made all of the change notify functions safe except for one
[09:26] <seb128> sept. 06 19:32:49 <desrt>	which only happens when multiple keys are changed at the same time, and even then only sometimes
[09:26] <seb128>  
[09:26] <pitti> rodrigo_: you asked me to look at bug 773763; do you just need sponsoring for the SRU, or is there something to be done for oneriic?
[09:26] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 773763 in evolution-rss "evolution freeze on startup with the plug-in "evolution-rss"" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/773763
[09:26] <seb128> rodrigo_, the patch pitti backported with today update is supposed to address that
[09:27] <rodrigo_> seb128, so, have we confirmed it fixes the issue?
[09:27] <rodrigo_> pitti, just the SRU
[09:27] <pitti> rodrigo_: ack
[09:27] <seb128> rodrigo_, desrt thinks it fixes but since we have no testcase I agreed that we would backport the fix and see if bugs stop coming
[09:27] <seb128> rodrigo_, so we are there now "wait to see if they stop coming" ;-)
[09:27] <rodrigo_> ok, I'll keep them all open
[09:27] <rodrigo_> there are a lot of very similar ones
[09:27] <seb128> rodrigo_, well, put them in incomplete asking to try with the current glib?
[09:28] <rodrigo_> yeah, right
[09:28] <seb128> thanks
[09:28] <rodrigo_> the glib update is 2.9.90, right?
[09:28] <seb128> they are all xcb errors right?
[09:28] <seb128> rodrigo_, correct
[09:29] <rodrigo_> btw, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-settings-daemon/+bug/804896 always gives me a timeout error
[09:29] <ubot2`> Ubuntu bug 804896 in gnome-settings-daemon "gnome-settings-daemon assert failure: gnome-settings-daemon: ../../src/xcb_io.c:140: dequeue_pending_request: Assertion `req == dpy->xcb->pending_requests' failed." [High,Triaged]
[09:29] <rodrigo_> can anyone try and mark it as incomplete if it works for you?
[09:30] <seb128> rodrigo_, try adding +edit to the url?
[09:30] <rodrigo_> oh, ok
[09:30] <seb128> +editstatus rather
[09:30] <rodrigo_> yeah, +edit is just for the summary and description
[09:30] <seb128> that usually workaround timeouts from loading the mainpage
[09:30] <rodrigo_> it does, yeah!
[09:30] <seb128> ;-)
[09:31] <seb128> rodrigo_, I'm sure you will be glad if that's indeed fixed with that glib update because you were so looking forward debugging those :p
[09:31] <rodrigo_> yeah
[09:32] <rodrigo_> I can't stop jumping of joy if that's fixed :)
[09:32] <rodrigo_> if that fixes it, I mean :)
[09:41] <ronoc> pitti, hey i released yesterday with the new gsettings entry to hide the user menu
[09:41] <ronoc> did you see that ?
[09:41] <ronoc> key is called 'user-show-menu'
[09:41] <ronoc> in the i-session gsettings schema
[09:43] <AfC> 'dconf' directories keep appearing all over the place, apparently whenever I start Nautilus or Gedit!
[09:43] <seb128> ronoc, btw I fail to see how that fix the "invalid utf-8" bug
[09:44] <ronoc> seb128, was it not the idea that casper would set this value to false before starting the i-session-service which in turn would then hide the menu by default
[09:44]  * ronoc checks code
[09:45] <seb128> ronoc, right, but there is still a bug somewhere, if displayed the indicator should get a valid username and not "invalid utf-8"
[09:45] <seb128> ronoc, even if the bug is workarounded by hidding the indicator
[09:45] <ronoc> seb128, the only instance we get a invalid utf8 on the panel now is in the case of the live cd
[09:45] <ronoc> seb128, for guests I have fixed it
[09:46] <seb128> well still it seems like on the livecd case you should get the real username, i.e ubuntu
[09:46] <ronoc> beforehand
[09:46] <seb128> but probably not worth arguing if the menu is not showed on the livecd
[09:46] <ronoc> seb128, no you shouldnt because you shouldnt have the menu in the first place
[09:46] <ronoc> so whats the point
[09:47] <seb128> ronoc, well to me it indicates that in some cases the indicator can get "invalid utf-8" rather than the username so there is a bug in the code that get the current user name
[09:47]  * didrocks agrees on that view, seems 2 separate issues to fix…
[09:47] <seb128> ronoc, in practice it might be a corner case setup issue but it's still a bug, even if it's not visibility in common cases ;-)
[09:47] <ronoc> seb128, I can protect some more against that
[09:48] <ronoc> sure, ill get around to it
[09:48] <seb128> ronoc, but let's not bother, we have better to do
[09:48] <seb128> that seems like a low priority thing to investigate the day we run out of real issues
[09:48] <ronoc> :)
[09:48] <seb128> ronoc, just curious how do you get the username?
[09:49] <seb128> I though it would be reading passwd or doing a call to accountsservice, I'm just surprised that either of those would be buggy on the livecd
[09:49] <ronoc> seb128, its that which is delivered by lightdm so from org.freedesktop.account.....
[09:49] <seb128> ronoc, ok, so maybe it's a bug in the accountsservice left and not in the indicator ;-)
[09:50] <seb128> I will play with d-feet later on to see
[09:50] <ronoc> seb128, well the real name entry can be blank, its the user name has to be filled
[10:01] <davmor2> guys there is a bug in the dash on the applications lens where nothing shows up under games
[10:05] <popey> i thought there were no games shipped now?
[10:05] <popey> saw someone in a video review mention that
[10:07] <davmor2> popey: it's not showing anything the panel is empty completely
[10:07] <davmor2> but only on games
[10:07] <davmor2> none for install either
[10:09] <pitti> ronoc: ah, nice
[10:09] <pitti> ronoc, seb128: want me to update casper for this?
[10:10] <ronoc> pitti, please Martin, stop the flow of bugs ...
[10:11] <pitti> ronoc: which schema is that?
[10:11] <pitti> /usr/share/glib-2.0/schemas/com.canonical.indicator.session.gschema.xml ?
[10:11] <ronoc> com.canonical.indicator.session
[10:11] <ronoc> yup
[10:11] <ronoc> pitti, should have the key as of 0.3.4.3 released last night
[10:12] <pitti> com.canonical.indicator.session user-show-menu true
[10:12] <pitti> right, here we are
[10:12] <ronoc> that's the one
[10:19] <ogra_> hmm, my .desktop file that used to be added to the favorites from an initrd script doesnt show up in the launcher anymore, is the process of adding an entry documented somewhere ?
[10:20] <pitti> uh, there's a lot of stuff in casper which needs porting to gsettings
[10:20] <ogra_> ah, was there already something ported ?
[10:20] <ogra_> so i could steal from there
[10:20]  * ogra_ checks
[10:20] <pitti> ogra_: no
[10:20] <ogra_> :(
[10:21] <pitti> I'll start with scripts/casper-bottom/22screensaver, and working my way downwards
[10:21] <pitti> and add ronoc's hiding of the user menu
[10:29] <pitti> ronoc: is there an LP bug for disabling the user menu?
[10:29] <pitti> i. e. should I close something in the changelog?
[10:30] <ronoc> pitti, I should have opened a fresher bug , there is one, I'll find it now one sec
[10:30] <pitti> ronoc: not necessary to open a bug just for that
[10:30] <pitti> ronoc: just wondering if the changelog shoudl close existing ones
[10:31] <ronoc> pitti, yeah there is one, I just need to find it, one sec
[10:31] <ronoc> pitti, https://bugs.launchpad.net/indicator-session/+bug/834137
[10:31] <ubot2`> Ubuntu bug 834137 in unity-foundations "user menu says [Invalid UTF-8]" [Medium,In progress]
[10:32] <pitti> ronoc: I'll add a casper task then; but the actual bug for the invalid utf-8 is still in the indicator, so this should be kept open, too
[10:32] <pitti> ronoc: grabbed the casper task, thanks
[10:33] <pitti> ronoc: ok, committed; I'll upload this now, let's test tomorrow's live CD
[10:34] <Laney> what package contains the network settings applet?
[10:34] <Laney> chrisccoulson: are you aware that "Use system proxy settings" in firefox/oneiric doesn't appear to work?
[10:34] <chrisccoulson> Laney, yes
[10:35] <Laney> sweet
[10:35] <seb128> Laney: what "applet"? how do you open it?
[10:35] <Laney> I go to gnome-control-center and click network
[10:35] <Laney> is that part of g-c-c itself?
[10:36] <ronoc> pitti, ok ill keep it open
[10:36] <pitti> desrt: hmm, does that ring a bell? https://launchpadlibrarian.net/79223405/buildlog_ubuntu-oneiric-amd64.glib2.0_2.29.90-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[10:36] <pitti> Session terminated, terminating shell... ...terminated.
[10:36] <pitti>   /gdbus/delivery-in-thread:                                           make[5]: *** wait: No child processes.  Stop.
[10:37] <pitti> I can re-try a build, I'll save the build log
[10:37] <pitti> (didn't happen locally)
[10:37] <seb128> Laney: yes
[10:38] <seb128> pitti, yeah, please retry and save the log
[10:38] <pitti> seb128: yep, done; http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/tmp/buildlog_ubuntu-oneiric-amd64.glib2.0_2.29.90-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[10:48] <ogra_> hrm, i dont seem to be able to find out how to add an entry to the launcher
[10:49] <ogra_> i need a way to do that from a script/package without running dbus available
[10:49] <ogra_> and all i cqan find is docs on how to create a launcher
[10:55] <chrisccoulson> hmmm, trying to make it possible to create and upload mozilla source packages from the datacenter is turning in to a bit of a pain
[10:56] <dbarth> random thunderbird freezes since the last update this morning; is that a known issue?
[10:59] <chrisccoulson> oh, i forgot to bzr launchpad-login
[10:59] <chrisccoulson> d'oh
[11:00] <chrisccoulson> dbarth, no, i've not seen anything like that
[11:01] <ogra_> grmbl, why isnt the transition from gconf to the new launcher model properly documented, sigh
[11:01] <ogra_> or are gconf keys for favorites still used ?
[11:03] <chrisccoulson> right, moment of truth time. lets see if i can get the daily builds to run without hammering my bandwidth now :)
[11:16] <rodrigo_> can someone sponsor this https://code.launchpad.net/~rodrigo-moya/ubuntu/oneiric/system-config-printer/fix-842092/+merge/74394 please?
[11:17] <rodrigo_> no, no need to, it's on the desktop set!
[11:24] <seb128> rodrigo_, did you type the second command on the g-s-d bug you commented on?
[11:24] <seb128> you wanted to ask for the min value the second time?
[11:30] <rodrigo_> seb128, hmm
[11:31] <seb128> pitti, can we teach apport to stop duplicating from closed bugs?
[11:31] <seb128> or from "invalid" bugs rather
[11:31] <pitti> seb128: yeah, that's due to the missing dup db consolidation
[11:31] <pitti> which is due to LP timing out
[11:31] <seb128> well maybe "closed" is better ;-)
[11:31] <pitti> seb128: seems we'll need a different approach there
[11:31] <seb128> pitti, hum?
[11:31] <pitti> I have an idea about it, though
[11:31] <pitti> seb128: can you give me an example bug?
[11:32] <seb128> pitti, what has consolidation to do with that?
[11:32] <pitti> seb128: consolidation updates the dupe db for open/closed at which version
 division by 0 can still happen i guess
 hadess, the last duplicates are for 3.1.91
 but at least the error paths are ok
 hadess, yes
 where's the stack trace with the latest g-s-d?
 hadess, no stacktrace, the retracer in lp doesn't et the stacktrace again if it's a duplicate
[11:32] <seb128>  
[11:32] <seb128> pitti, today's example of an issue
[11:32] <pitti> right
[11:32] <pitti> but would be nice to have an example dupe bug for this
[11:32] <pitti> anyway, I can find one as well, I guess
[11:33] <seb128> rodrigo_, ^ do you have an example?
[11:33] <seb128> pitti, I will tell you next time we get one
[11:33] <rodrigo_> an example of what?
[11:33] <seb128> pitti, but it's nothing new, we have the issue for ever I think
[11:34] <rodrigo_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-settings-daemon/+bug/833595 is the one I was talking about with hadess
[11:34] <ubot2`> Ubuntu bug 833595 in gnome-settings-daemon "gnome-settings-daemon crashed with SIGFPE in backlight_get_percentage()" [Critical,Fix released]
[11:34] <seb128> pitti, if a segfault signature match one of the db it will close it as duplicate and clean it so you loose any way to get a newer or better stacktrace
[11:34] <rodrigo_> if it gets a duplicate for a newer version, it just marks it as dup, but it would be good to update the main bug with the stacktrace for the new version
[11:34] <rodrigo_> if that's possible
[11:35] <seb128> pitti, did the glib update drop symbols? i.e g_unix_signal_add_watch_full
[11:41] <kamstrup> seb128: desrt mentioned on gtk-devel that last snapshot broke api+abi
[11:46] <seb128> "
[11:46] <seb128> * API/ABI changes:
[11:46] <seb128>  - unix signal watches now match the API of all of the other sources
[11:46] <seb128>  - revert the addition of g_date_time_source_new () from last release"
[11:46] <seb128> he mentioned yes
[11:46]  * rodrigo_ lunch
[12:10] <seb128> ok, I'm out for a few hours, bbl
[12:12] <pitti> seb128: yes, that symbol was dropped; I didn't notice anythign that actually used it and fails on it, though, did you?
[12:13] <seb128> pitti, we got a bug about evolution not starting
[12:13] <seb128> on that symbol missing
[12:14] <seb128> guess it needs to be updated to 3.1.91
[12:14] <pitti> ah, I see
[12:14] <seb128> will do that later if nobody else do
[12:14] <pitti> oh, doesn't appear on versions
[12:14] <seb128> it's not on the default installation
[12:14] <pitti> seb128: ok, thanks
[12:14] <seb128> so it slipped out
[12:14] <pitti> seb128: ah, that's only default install?
[12:15] <seb128> you need to click on the "+" next to package for non default install
[12:15] <pitti> I thought we didn't ship gnome-user-docs any more either
[12:15] <pitti> aah
[12:15] <seb128> we have a whitelist in versions.py for things to show anyway, maybe it's there?
[12:15] <seb128> well I've pinged cyphermox_ about the evo update yesterday but he didn't reply
[12:15] <seb128> not sure if he's around this way
[12:16] <seb128> pitti, but don't bother we can deal with that later
[12:16] <seb128> I've to run now though, we will be back later
[12:16] <pitti> seb128: ok, sorry about that
[12:18] <seb128> pitti, not your fault and no worry, still an unstable cycle ;-)
[12:18] <seb128> ok, I got to go, see you later
[13:08] <cyphermox_> seb128: you pinged me about evo yesterday? I never saw it
[13:09] <cyphermox_> I can update it now if nobody did it yet
[13:10] <pitti> cyphermox_: thanks
[13:21] <dobey> pitti: is anyone looking at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/couchdb/+bug/817656 ? i see a merge proposal for it. is dholbach the right person to review it?
[13:21] <ubot2`> Ubuntu bug 817656 in couchdb "Please merge couchdb 1.1.0-1 (main) from Debian unstable (main)" [High,In progress]
[13:24] <pitti> dobey: can be done by any sponsor, but it needs a FFE, I suppose? (new upstream version)
[13:26] <dobey> hmm
[13:26] <dobey> needing an FFE for a severe bug fix sucks :(
[13:28] <pitti> dobey: unless the current version doesn't work at all?
[13:29] <Laney> is the new upstream bugfix?
[13:29] <dobey> pitti: it doesn't. and i can't mark the desktopcouch bug a dup of that one, because it has too many dups and timeout errors :(
[13:29] <pitti> and the bug trail has several problems, too
[13:29] <dobey> Laney: couchdb is a clusterbomb of insanity like firefox
[13:29] <Laney> sigh
[13:30] <pitti> the main rdepends are python-couchdb (and its rdepends) and two universe packages which don't sound very interesting
[13:30] <pitti> so I don't mind upgrading to the new version
[13:30] <pitti> but the severe performance regression should be addressed perhaps? (there is a proposal how to fix this)
[13:36] <dobey> pitti: hrmm, that suggestion is also suggested to be set in the desktopcouch config, and leave the upstream defaults as they are in the couchdb package
[13:36] <dobey> pitti: not sure which would be better/preferred there
[13:38] <AfC> More random spurious dconf/ directories!
[13:52] <didrocks> reboot needed, brb :)
[14:41] <pitti> good night everyone!
[15:04] <seb128> re
[15:05] <seb128> cyphermox_, hi, no worry
[15:05] <desrt> pitti: i think so?
[15:05] <desrt> pitti: there is a kernel and/or libc bug that's causing a lot of glib tests to hang lately
[15:06] <desrt> pitti:  i tried to ping doko about it, but got no love
[15:10] <seb128> pedro_, hola!
[15:10] <pedro_> seb128, hey hey ;-)
[15:10] <seb128> pedro_, how are you?
[15:11] <pedro_> seb128, doing good and you?
[15:11] <seb128> I'm fine thanks
[15:11] <seb128> pedro_, sept. 07 12:55:59 <hadess>	rodrigo, and tell pedro that i won't take any bugs for the media-keys plugin, and that i require versions in the bug reports
[15:11] <seb128> just for info
[15:11] <seb128> sept. 07 12:56:12 <hadess>	it's really pissing me off that i have to go and look for those in launchpad
[15:12] <seb128> pedro_, so maybe copy the package version in the description of the bugs you forward ;-)
[15:12] <pedro_> seb128, ok so same special treatment we do with rhythmbox ;-)
[15:12] <seb128> what about rb?
[15:16] <BigWhale> empathy is broken again? just for me or is it an international problem? :>
[15:16] <pedro_> broken in which sense?
[15:16] <pedro_> works fine for me
[15:16] <BigWhale> dbl clicking on a name in the contact list doesn't open chat window
[15:17] <BigWhale> ah, there's a new version... I'll try this one
[15:20] <seb128> cyphermox_, bug #843769 can probably be closed with the evolution update btw
[15:20] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 843769 in evolution "evolution not start" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/843769
[15:20] <seb128> "evolution: symbol lookup error: evolution: undefined symbol: g_unix_signal_add_watch_full"
[15:20] <seb128> that's thanks to desrt!
[15:20] <cyphermox_> thanks
[15:20] <cyphermox_> I tried to reproduce it but so far couldn't?
[15:20] <cyphermox_> maybe I need to reboot or something before all the libs get used
[15:20] <cyphermox_> (I was updating this morning)
[15:21] <seb128> cyphermox_, what glib version did you get?
[15:21] <cyphermox_> 2.29.18-0ubuntu3
[15:21] <seb128> cyphermox_, the new version failed to build first so maybe you didn't it yet on your architecture, it's 2.29.90
[15:21] <seb128> ok
[15:21] <seb128> so you didn't get it yet
[15:21] <cyphermox_> ah :)
[15:21] <seb128> well in any case it's a glib abi break
[15:21] <cyphermox_> well, this will be fixed soon in evo
[15:22] <cyphermox_> then I'll fix the NBS right away, I checked what would be affected ;)
[15:22] <seb128> ok
[15:27] <seb128> pedro_, was there anything to fix still in bug #840611
[15:27] <seb128> ?
[15:27] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 840611 in seahorse "seahorse dropped the libcryptui-dev package, needed by almanah and seahorse-plugins" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/840611
[15:28] <pedro_> seb128, seems pitti fixed all , so nope
[15:28] <seb128> pedro_, ok, I closed it, feel free to reopen if you notice issues due to it
[15:29] <pedro_> will do it
[15:45] <jml> hi
[15:46] <jml> it seems that g-s-d is breaking whenever I log in with no power on.
[15:46] <jml> no power plugged in, rather.
[15:56] <seb128> jml, breaking like segfault? did you use apport to send the bug?
[15:56] <jml> seb128: yeah, probably about a half-dozen times already
[15:56] <seb128> jml, can you give me the numbers?
[15:57] <jml> seb128: I don't know if it's a segfault. What happens is that none of the theming or key mod changes seem to work. And then, when I log out then log in again I'm prompted to report an issue.
[15:57] <jml> seb128: sure.
[15:57]  * jml looks through mail logs
[15:58] <jml> bug 836014
[15:58] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 836014 in gnome-settings-daemon "gnome-settings-daemon crashed with SIGSEGV in g_closure_invoke()" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/836014
[15:59] <seb128> jml, that's a segfault
[15:59] <seb128> SIGSEGV
[15:59] <tedg> pitti, Okay, so flash installer is still not working for me.
[15:59] <Nafallo> seb128: hi
[15:59] <tedg> pitti, It doesn't seem to want to go down and install the i386 deps all the way down.
[15:59] <seb128> hey Nafallo
[15:59] <jml> seb128: sure. It's more that I didn't remember details.
[16:00] <seb128> tedg, h's off for today, try #ubuntu-devel
[16:00] <jml> seb128: I've been filing stacks of oneiric bugs this last week, they all tend to blur together.
[16:00] <Nafallo> seb128: I have a weird bug I've seen twice over the last few weeks, and I'm not sure where to file it. thought you would be a good person to ask :-)
[16:00] <broder> hey cyphermox_: is nm-applet supposed to be creating system-owned connections by default instead of user-owned?
[16:01] <seb128> jml, is that real hardware or virtualbox?
[16:01] <jml> seb128: real hardware.
[16:01] <cyphermox_> broder: yup, one of the major changes in NM 0.9
[16:01] <seb128> jml, can you run "/usr/lib/gnome-settings-daemon/gsd-backlight-helper --get-brightness" with no power plugged?
[16:01] <seb128> Nafallo, sure, just ask
[16:01] <Nafallo> seb128: when I alt+tab, the transparent selector thing doesn't disappear afterwards. stuff underneath is still accessible, just quite hard to see. restarting the x-session fixes it. any idea what it could be/heard of it before?
[16:01] <jml> seb128: sure.
[16:01] <seb128> Nafallo, seems like a compiz issue
[16:02] <broder> cyphermox_: err, right. i know the architectural stuff, but you can still create "user-owned" connections that are stored in the system settings service
[16:02] <broder> cyphermox_: i ask because right now i get prompted by polkit every time i connect to a new network
[16:02] <cyphermox_> yes, you can still create user-owned connections
[16:02] <broder> cyphermox_: but we don't by default?
[16:02] <Nafallo> seb128: okay. that seems like a good suspect indeed. my others was metacity or unity :-)
[16:03] <cyphermox_> broder: my guess is that you're missing an update of some sort. initially it was prompting all the time, but that was fixed in the polkit policy some time ago (like, months)
[16:03] <seb128> Nafallo, it's unity-3d right?
[16:03] <Nafallo> seb128: yeah
[16:03] <Nafallo> 4 year old hardware (at least)
[16:03] <Nafallo> :-P
[16:03] <broder> cyphermox_: hmm...ok, i'll try to upgrade soon and then come back and harass you :)
[16:04] <cyphermox_> broder: I think it may have been because of a dist-upgrade from natty early on, is that possible?
[16:04] <broder> cyphermox_: my config is screwy, i actually backported the NM 0.9 and nm-applet 0.9-rc packages to natty
[16:05] <broder> this may be totally my fault
[16:05] <cyphermox_> but yeah, if upgrades currently break in this way and keep doing Vista-like "do you allow XYZ", then it's a bug that should have been fixed
[16:05] <cyphermox_> ok. in this case, check policykit or the package that ships the policy (hold on, trying to figure out which it was)
[16:05] <broder> cyphermox_: the polkit rules come from the NM package
[16:06] <broder> it has <allow_active>auth_admin_keep</allow_active> for the system settings
[16:06] <cyphermox_> broder: nah, there's some other piece. someone from the security team did the upload :)
[16:06] <broder> oh, there was a polkit change? ok, i can believe that
[16:07] <cyphermox_> oe maybe you're right
[16:07] <cyphermox_> but IIRC there was a change in other rules outside NM
[16:07] <broder> ok. i'll try to actually upgrade soon and test on oneiric
[16:08] <cyphermox_> ok. let me know
[16:15] <charlie-tca> cyphermox_: Thanks for the network icon in Xubuntu Oneiric. It finally came back. :)
[16:15] <cyphermox_> charlie-tca: my pleasure. it was kinda fun to debug and figure out
[16:15] <jml> seb128: sorry, am on a phone call. I run it, it says 15.
[16:16] <jml> seb128: same plugged in and unplugged
[16:16] <cyphermox_> intially I had gotten it to show both the indicator and tray icon at once, but figured having just one instance of nm-applet was a good thing :)
[16:17] <charlie-tca> Probably true
[16:18] <charlie-tca> It is good to see the indicator again
[16:18] <cyphermox_> so I take it you don't use the indicator widget?
[16:18] <seb128> jml, ok, no hurry, it would be useful to get a stacktrace using gdb, I've put a comment on the bug, whenever somebody can try to do that the info would be useful, I will have rodrigo to look at it since apparently he though he had fixed the bug but it's still happening
[16:18] <cyphermox_> I said I'd try to fix the bluetooth, jockey and etc too, perhaps I should get to that now
[16:18] <charlie-tca> I don't know what we use.
[16:18] <charlie-tca> bluetooth is a nightmare for us. We are probably going to have to go to blueman for it
[16:19] <charlie-tca> I can't keep all the names of these things straight. I look in the panel, I got an icon, or I don't got an icon ;)
[16:21] <jml> seb128: thanks.
[16:21] <seb128> jml, yw ;-)
[16:21] <cyphermox_> charlie-tca: if bluetooth is currently showing as a broken icon, then you don't have the indicator widget in the panel (I thought that was the difference between the Xfce and Xubuntu sessions)
[16:28] <charlie-tca> Bluetooth doesn't show at all in my panel, but I have nothing that uses it either
[16:36] <cyphermox_> charlie-tca: ok
[16:46] <seb128> chrisccoulson, could you have a look to bug #832603 when you have some time?
[16:46] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 832603 in gnome-settings-daemon "gnome-settings-daemon crashed with SIGSEGV in g_simple_async_result_complete()" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/832603
[16:47] <seb128> chrisccoulson, it's in the media-key code and upstream is not really wanting to look at it since we do some patching around there
[16:47] <seb128> chrisccoulson, you probably know the code best around so would be nice if you could have a look to it
[16:51] <chrisccoulson> seb128, yeah, sure
[16:51] <seb128> chrisccoulson, thanks
[16:56] <jml> yay progress.
[16:56] <jml> uninstalling rabbitmq-server makes "Restart" restart.
[16:56] <jml> I wonder if it fixes suspend / resume too. That'd be awesome.
[16:56]  * jml tests
[17:26] <dobey> hrmm
[17:26] <didrocks> ok, time for dinner. See you tomorrow!
[17:27] <dobey> is there a calendar application installed by default in oneiric, or is that a missing feature now?
[17:28] <seb128> dobey, no calendar application by default
[17:29] <dobey> seb128: should we split evolution-couchdb into 2 separate packages? (one for the e-d-s plug-ins, and one for the evolution gui plug-ins)
[17:30] <dobey> seb128: so people can get contacts sync in tb without having to install the evo gui
[17:30] <seb128> dobey, chrisccoulson was supposed to work on that
[17:30] <seb128> dunno what happened to it
[17:30] <seb128> chrisccoulson, ^
[17:31] <chrisccoulson> yes, we should do that
[17:31] <chrisccoulson> i haven't done it yet because desktopcouch seems to be completely broken anyway
[17:31] <chrisccoulson> and is resulting in people reporting bugs against thunderbird already ;)
[17:31] <dobey> couchdb 1.1.0 fixes the desktopcouch brokenness. it's just that couchdb 1.0 doesn't work with new erlang that's in oneiric
[17:32] <chrisccoulson> heh
[17:32] <chrisccoulson> does that mean we are completely screwed? ;)
[17:32] <dobey> well there's a bug requesting couchdb 1.1.0 sync from debian, and a merge proposal for it
[17:32] <chrisccoulson> the plan was that i would split evolution-couchdb, and then provide a small tb extension to create the couchdb addressbook
[17:33] <chrisccoulson> and i've already written the extension
[17:33] <dobey> but new couchdb seems to suck at performance by default
[17:33] <seb128> chrisccoulson, when are you off again?
[17:33] <chrisccoulson> seb128, good question
[17:33] <dobey> and pitti didn't answer if it was preferred to fix that in couchdb itself, or in desktopcouch
[17:33] <chrisccoulson> seb128, just in time for final freeze, i think ;)
[17:33] <seb128> dobey, "that" being?
[17:33] <seb128> chrisccoulson, ok, so you still have time for that couchdb and contact syncing work?
[17:34] <dobey> seb128: there's a configuration change that makes the performance match what was in 11.04
[17:34] <chrisccoulson> seb128, yeah
[17:34] <seb128> chrisccoulson, some people will be unhappy at us if we don't have contact syncing working with tb for Oneiric ;-)
[17:34] <dobey> seb128: that change can either go in the couchdb package as a patch, or we can stick it in desktopcouch, so that it always gets used by desktopcouch, but system couch uses upstream couch defaults
[17:35] <seb128> dobey, seems better to fix couchdb directly?
[17:35] <dobey> seb128: i'd say enough people are already upset that it doesn't work with evolution :)
[17:35] <seb128> dobey, right, well rick checked with us that contact syncing will work in tb for oneiric some weeks ago
[17:36] <dobey> seb128: i would think so, but i don't know enough to say definite one way or the other
[17:36] <dobey> well syncing still works
[17:37] <dobey> it's just that you can't see them from evolution or tb :)
[17:37] <seb128> dobey, well first step would be to address the issues on https://code.launchpad.net/~wibblymat/ubuntu/oneiric/couchdb/update-to-1.1.0/+merge/74236
[17:37] <dobey> afaik, replication still works fine, so long as you're not stuck on the finicky server that can sometimes be problematic, and that we're working on getting fixed/replaced
[17:38] <seb128> Daniel Holbach (dholbach) wrote on 2011-08-18 Posted in a previous version of this proposal
[17:38] <seb128> "libjs-jquery-form is in universe. It would need to follow https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MainInclusionProcess"
[17:38] <seb128> you need a ffe as well now
[17:38] <dobey> can we just move couchdb to universe?
[17:39] <seb128> if everything which install couchdb on demand handle enabling universe when it's not set I guess we could
[17:40] <dobey> what all installs it on demand? just u1 control panel?
[17:40] <seb128> not sure but I think so
[17:41] <seb128> dobey, well demoting couchdb would be demoting anything which has a depends,recommends,build-depends on one of its binaries
[17:41] <seb128> or one of the binaries from desktopcouch, etc
[17:41] <dobey> if so, you can consider that done. it's like 20 minutes of work for me to do tops, and i think it's not enabling universe atm for installing bindwood either, so we'd need to fix that anyway
[17:41] <seb128> not sure if any package use it to build in main
[17:41] <dobey> i'm fine with that :)
[17:42] <seb128> well you still need a ffe
[17:42] <dobey> just couchdb-glib and evolution-couchdb afaik
[17:42] <dobey> ffe because it is a major version bump?
[17:42] <seb128> yes
[17:43] <seb128> that and the demotion probably need an archive admin review to check that actual nothing uses it
[17:44] <dobey> i wish apt-cache had rbuild-depends
[17:44] <seb128> dobey, for example if evolution-couchdb has a build-depends on some couchdb component it will need to go to universe
[17:44] <dobey> i don't think anything needs it to compile though
[17:44] <seb128> dobey, so you can't get a binary installed for tb by default
[17:44] <dobey> seb128: we already can't have it installed by default because it's not on the CD
[17:45] <dobey> we removed it from CD for 11.04
[17:45] <dobey> so nothing installed by default is using couchdb/desktopcouch
[17:45] <seb128> dobey, you can use http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/germinate-output/ubuntu.oneiric/rdepends/couchdb/couchdb-bin
[17:46] <seb128> or similar
[17:46] <seb128> but yeah, demoting the erlang,couchdb stack would be nice ;-)
[17:46] <dobey> seb128: that is just binary package deps though, doesn't show build-depends. like if soemthing used it to run tests
[17:46] <dobey> but i don't think anything does, that's not in that list
[17:47] <dobey> and odd that evolution-couchdb is listed there, instead of couchdb-glib :)
[17:47] <seb128> dobey, germinate does list build-depends
[17:47] <seb128> dobey, see http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/germinate-output/ubuntu.oneiric/rdepends/xorg-server/xvfb
[17:47] <dobey> hmm
[17:47] <dobey> ok, gotta run
[17:47] <dobey> appointment
[17:48] <seb128> see you later
[17:54] <Sweetshark> !seen jasoncwarner_
[17:54] <ubot2`> I have no seen command
[17:54]  * Sweetshark hands ubot2` a cookie.
[17:55] <jml> seb128: just attached a thing that's a backtrace of a segfault in g-s-d in bug 836014
[17:55] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 836014 in gnome-settings-daemon "gnome-settings-daemon crashed with SIGSEGV in idle_is_session_inhibited()" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/836014
[17:55] <jml> seb128: might be a different crash though.
[17:56] <seb128> jml, thanks
[17:57] <seb128> jml, could you get one with gnome-settings-daemon-dbgsym installed? ;-)
[17:57] <Elvar> Hi. I'm not sure if this is the right channel for this, but I was wondering if anyone could help me with an ubuntu gtk problem.
[17:58] <seb128> Elvar, hey
[17:58] <Elvar> hi seb128
[17:58] <jml> seb128: ok
[17:58] <seb128> what sort of question?
[17:58] <seb128> jml, thanks
[17:59] <seb128> Elvar, user questions should rather go on #ubuntu
[17:59] <seb128> have to go for dinner, bbl
[18:01] <Elvar> thx. i'll go there
[18:01] <jml> how do I install gnome-settings-daemon-dbgsym?
[18:02] <seb128> jml, cf 1. on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Backtrace
[18:02] <bigon> pitti: ImportError: /usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/gi/_gi.so: undefined symbol: g_callable_info_skip_return with the experimental version
[18:04] <jml> seb128: thanks. go eat dinner. :)
[18:26] <jml> seb128: OK. trace w/ symbols uploaded. I also need to eat, and am running out of morale so might not come back.
[18:50] <seb128> jml, thanks, no hurry for debugging go enjoy your evening and come back tomorrow with morale set to high ;-)
[19:22] <jbicha> /usr/share/gnome-session/sessions/gnome-classic.session requires notification-daemon or it will fallback to the metacity version
[19:23] <jbicha> will installing notification-daemon interfere with Unity's notifications?
[19:55] <chrisccoulson> so, bug 832603 will definitely occur if the media-keys plugin is stopped before the callback passed to g_bus_get is fired
[19:55] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 832603 in gnome-settings-daemon "gnome-settings-daemon crashed with SIGSEGV in g_simple_async_result_complete()" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/832603
[19:55] <chrisccoulson> i wonder what would cause that condition to happen though?
[19:57] <chrisccoulson> jml, is that the bug you were looking at eariler?
[20:27] <kscloud> Anyone know of a bug that concerns Qt apps crashing compiz?
[20:47] <seb128> chrisccoulson, no, jml's bug what in another .so
[21:16] <dobey> chrisccoulson: ping. were you going to split up the evo-couchdb package, or should i go ahead and do that?
[21:19] <cyphermox_> dobey: split up evo-couchdb?
[21:20] <dobey> cyphermox_: yes into 2 packages. one for the evolution gui bits, and one for the e-d-s backend bits
[21:20] <cyphermox_> mmkay
[21:21] <cyphermox_> so you can use the e-d-s backend stuff in thunderbird I guess?
[21:21] <dobey> cyphermox_: so using contacts sync in tb won't require installing all of evolution
[21:21] <cyphermox_> fun
[21:21] <cyphermox_> well, I won't stop you. evo-couchdb will need at least a rebuild soon (e-d-s/evo updates)
[21:22] <dobey> cyphermox_: new versions break ABI?
[21:23] <cyphermox_> dobey: libcamel-1.2-29
[21:23] <cyphermox_> instead of -28
[21:24] <dobey> lovely
[21:24] <dobey> i wonder why they don't just change it to -3.0 at this point