dokomicahg, what do you mean to do about bug #838828?00:01
ubottuLaunchpad bug 838828 in gst-plugins-ugly-multiverse0.10 (Ubuntu Oneiric) "Please remove gst-plugins-ugly-multiverse0.10 source and binaries " [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/83882800:01
micahgdoko: I think slytherin uploaded something for it, but I think it breaks for me, I think my initial assessment was correct, but have not had time to investigate00:03
dokomicahg, ok, I'll remove it and let the report open00:04
micahgdoko: I think you can safely remove it00:04
dokomicahg, and while you are here ... NBS:00:07
doko   flashplugin-nonfree-extrasoundmultiversei38600:08
* micahg looks that up on LP quick00:09
doko_<doko> micahg, and while you are here ... NBS:00:09
doko_<doko> flashplugin-nonfree00:09
doko_<doko>     flashplugin-nonfree-extrasound multiverse i38600:10
doko_* Disconnected (Connection reset by peer).00:10
micahgdoko_: I don't think we need it, but it's in Debian, so should be removed only in concert with them, we dropped the transitional flashplugin-nonfree binary, so that needs to be transitioned to flashplugin-installer I think00:11
micahgdoko: is that the only  NBS for that binary?00:12
doko_micahg, yes, see http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/nbs.html00:13
micahgdoko_: ok, we just need to transition to the new binary, I can do that tonight I guess00:15
pittiGood morning04:03
pittiapw: when do the 25% CPU happen of apport-gtk? while it's collecting data? or what does it do at that time?04:04
micahgpitti: could you give this back please: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/perl/5.12.4-4/+build/2768379 (doko requested it)04:10
micahgpitti: and good morning :)04:10
pittimicahg: done04:15
micahgpitti: thanks04:15
didrocksgood morning05:37
ScottKdidrocks: I assigned the Qt update to you in anticipation of you getting it packaged.05:39
didrocksHey ScottK, it's packaged and in the ubuntu-desktop ppa since Monday. There are serious regression with unity-2d (they are fixing it for Thursday), so, I think pushing it at the same time. I asked for testing on #kubuntu-devel but got no feedback05:40
ScottKYeah, we've been focused on KDE 4.7.1 packaging.05:41
ScottKThat should get pushed today.05:41
didrocksoh nice :)05:41
didrocksScottK: the ppa is there (ubuntu-desktop/ppa) if anyone wants to test, amd64 should be built as well now despite the mozilla jump on all available ppa builders :)05:42
dholbachgood morning07:15
evfoolhi all, how is the power-and-settings indicator officially called?07:42
evfoolwhat's the official name to use in docs?07:42
FourDollarsHi, I have a patch for the ibus-chewing package in main. Who can help me?07:50
ubottuLaunchpad bug 843619 in ibus-chewing (Ubuntu) "There is a twice pages turning problem when using plain zhuyin with space as selection." [Undecided,Confirmed]07:50
dholbachFourDollars, if you subscribed ubuntu-sponsors you should be all set :)07:51
FourDollarsdholbach: I just attach a patch file. Is it enough for ubuntu-sponsors ?07:52
dholbachyep, it should07:52
dholbachif the commit is upstream, it would help pointing out a reference to it07:53
brendandhas anyone else 'lost' their keyring in oneiric? I'm constantly being bothered by password prompts when ssh'ing07:58
dholbachFourDollars, was the patch already submitted/accepted upstream? do you know?08:08
FourDollarsdholbach: I just submitted to upstream and wait for his merge or reject to improve.08:09
dholbachFourDollars, is this the same as http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=63033108:09
ubottuDebian bug 630331 in ibus-chewing "ibus-chewing has annoying pop-up when enabling IME, causing focus to change" [Important,Fixed]08:09
dholbachor is it slightly different?08:09
FourDollarsdholbach: no08:09
FourDollarsdholbach: It is different.08:09
dholbachok - I was just wondering if this fix would be interesting for Ubuntu too08:09
FourDollarsdholbach: There is another bug may be relative.08:10
dholbachFourDollars, if you have a link to where you submitted it upstream, could you add it to the bug report?08:10
FourDollarsdholbach: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ibus-chewing/+bug/83864308:10
ubottuLaunchpad bug 838643 in ibus-chewing (Ubuntu) "ibus-engine-chewing crashed with SIGABRT in raise()" [Medium,Confirmed]08:10
FourDollarsdholbach: Could you see https://github.com/definite/ibus-chewing/pull/8 ?08:11
dholbachyes, thanks08:11
dholbachFourDollars, so it looks like Debian bug 630331, bug 843619 and bug 838643 would be good to get fixed in oneiric - is that right? if so, I could help put a package together and build it in ppa - could you test it afterwards, because I wouldn't know how to use it08:15
ubottuDebian bug 630331 in ibus-chewing "ibus-chewing has annoying pop-up when enabling IME, causing focus to change" [Important,Fixed] http://bugs.debian.org/63033108:15
ubottuLaunchpad bug 843619 in ibus-chewing (Ubuntu) "There is a twice pages turning problem when using plain zhuyin with space as selection." [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/84361908:15
ubottuLaunchpad bug 838643 in ibus-chewing (Ubuntu) "ibus-engine-chewing crashed with SIGABRT in raise()" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/83864308:15
FourDollarsdholbach: Yes. I think it is good to try.08:16
dholbachFourDollars, I'll ping you when I uploaded it08:16
FourDollarsdholbach: Roger that08:16
FourDollarsdholbach: Thanks08:16
sabdflpitti, any idea why aptitude can't find changelogs at the moment?08:19
pittihey sabdfl08:19
sabdflhowdy :-)08:19
pittisabdfl: uh, aptitude.. do you happen to know where it takes them from?08:19
sabdflpitti, let me sniff some packetry08:20
* pitti installs aptitude and learns how to use it08:20
pittiargh, my packages are broken right now, darn multiarch08:20
pittisabdfl: just wonder whether it uses changelogs.u.c. properly08:22
pittiinstalling now08:22
pitti$ aptitude changelog gtk+3.008:23
pittiFeh Changelog of gtk+3.008:23
pittiE: Download des Changelog schlug fehl: Download queue destroyed.08:23
pittiE: Konnte kein Änderungsprotokoll für »gtk+3.0« finden08:23
pittisabdfl: ^ something like this?08:23
sabdflpitti, ed zachary, yes08:23
pittihm, aptitude changelog gtk+2.0 tries to access http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/g/gtk+2.0/gtk+2.0_2.24.5-0ubuntu7/changelog, which does exist08:26
pittisabdfl: hm, so no obvious reason, and I can't see an obvious failure from strace; so I guess this needs a more thorough gdb/code inspection session08:27
pittiapt-get changelog seems to work fine, and is pulling from the same server08:28
pittiseems someone already reported it as bug 82470808:32
ubottuLaunchpad bug 824708 in aptitude (Ubuntu) "Changelog download failed: Download queue destroyed." [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/82470808:32
doko_pitti, could you have a look at the libindicate ftbfs on powerpc?08:33
pittidoko_: very low-priority; I'll add it to my queue, but won't get to it this week08:34
pittidoko_: -pljava fixed, BTW08:36
doko_pitti, seen, thanks08:36
* pitti does some further package updates and NBS cleanup08:36
dholbachFourDollars, https://launchpad.net/~dholbach/+archive/ppa/+builds?build_state=pending08:45
dholbachit will take a while for them to build, but if you could test and confirm they fix all the issues and you're happy with them, I can sponsor to oneiric08:46
sabdflhi pitti, sorry i got disconnected, exploding X08:50
FourDollarsdholbach: Thanks.08:50
pittisabdfl: FYI, it is already reported as bug 82470808:54
ubottuLaunchpad bug 824708 in aptitude (Ubuntu) "Changelog download failed: Download queue destroyed." [Undecided,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/82470808:54
brendandfor some reason i didn't have gnome-keyring installed. guess i should have had...09:04
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cjwatson@pilot in09:38
=== udevbot changed the topic of #ubuntu-devel to: Beta 1 released | Archive: Feature/UI Freeze | Development of Ubuntu (not support, not app development) | build failures -> http://bit.ly/or6CHJ | #ubuntu for support and general discussion for hardy -> oneiric | #ubuntu-app-devel for application development on Ubuntu | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment | See #ubuntu-bugs for http://bit.ly/lv8soi | Patch Pilots: cjwatson
DavieyGood point.09:39
Daviey@pilot in09:39
=== udevbot changed the topic of #ubuntu-devel to: Beta 1 released | Archive: Feature/UI Freeze | Development of Ubuntu (not support, not app development) | build failures -> http://bit.ly/or6CHJ | #ubuntu for support and general discussion for hardy -> oneiric | #ubuntu-app-devel for application development on Ubuntu | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment | See #ubuntu-bugs for http://bit.ly/lv8soi | Patch Pilots: Daviey, cjwatson
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* dholbach hugs cjwatson and Daviey09:53
dokoany cmake experts here? how do I convince cmake not to build with -O3, but -O2?10:00
cjwatsonconvert to autotools10:00
* cjwatson runs10:01
cjwatsonlooks like possibly you need to prod CMAKE_C_FLAGS_RELEASE (guessing slightly)?10:02
seb128dholbach, half of the sponsoring queue is package importer merge requests10:02
cjwatson./Modules/Compiler/GNU.cmake:31:  set(CMAKE_${lang}_FLAGS_RELEASE_INIT "-O3 -DNDEBUG")10:03
seb128including quite some weird ones with only .pc directory changes10:03
seb128doko, ask agateau maybe10:03
seb128he knows quite a bit about cmake ;-)10:03
cjwatsonseb128: I can probably take a pass through those in a bit10:03
agateauseb128: sshhh don't tell anyone!10:03
seb128agateau, welcome back! ;-)10:03
seb128cjwatson, thanks, I'm still confused by things like https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/oneiric/gnome-desktop3/oneiric-201109060812/+merge/74173 and why that happens10:04
cjwatsonseb128: I have no intention of attempting to solve or even explain the general problem10:04
cjwatsonbut I can work through case-by-case10:04
seb128ok, fair enough ;-)10:04
agateaudoko: the way to set build options with cmake depends on whether you are using a predefined build type10:07
agateaudoko: do you set CMAKE_BUILD_TYPE to something like Release or MinSizeRel?10:07
dokoagateau, I'm looking at insighttoolkit. it starts with -O2, but some/most submodules are built with -O310:10
agateaudoko: oh weird, maybe they are overriding the flags in the submodules?10:11
dokobeware, the build system is insane, starts from scratch every time :-/10:11
agateaudownloading the src pkg (will take some time here)10:12
pittiok, tbird ppc is building, that should fix the remaining NBS in main10:14
* pitti removes the gnome-media stuff10:14
cjwatsonNBS is almost looking sane!10:15
pittimostly due to your heroic libav porting10:16
dokopitti, I know ... join the party to remove the gnome stuff in universe ;-P10:16
pittiwrt. indicator-applet, if DX doesn't get to porting that, we'll just remove it all10:16
pitti(I'd remove it either way, but they asked us to let them some more time)10:16
pittidoko: yep10:17
pittiall the old applets should go, I'll slaughter them10:17
pittiseb128: ^ ok?10:17
pittiseb128: i. e. everything on http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/nbs.html which still depends on libpanel-applet2-0?10:17
cjwatsonare all of those only applets, as opposed to packages which happen to ship an applet along with other stuff?10:18
cjwatsonI saw some examples of the latter which were fixed in Debian by dropping the applet but keeping the other bits10:18
pittithe two that would be worth keeping are gnote and workrave, AFAICS10:18
* cjwatson tries to figure out how to upload app-install-data-ubuntu in the absence of mvo10:18
seb128pitti, keep indicator-applet10:18
seb128pitti, I think ted had a version building, it just needs testing10:19
pittiseb128: yes, and I'd check if e. g. gnote/workrave have newer upstream versions10:19
pitticjwatson: yeah, of course I'll check for new Debian versions first10:19
doko  * CMakeCache.txt.debian: Set CMAKE_BUILD_TYPE to "RELEASE" so that we10:23
doko    build with -O3 (not -O2), necessary to optimize the templated code.10:23
dokoagateau, ^^^ :-/10:23
dokoand RELEASE is supposed to build with -O3?10:23
agateaudoko: you can define what RELEASE does10:24
dokohmm, old changelog entry, the file doesn't exist10:24
seb128pitti, verbiste-gnome is probably worth keeping as well in this list, should be possible to just turn the applet off for it10:24
agateaudoko: I see one CMakeLists.txt which explicitly set -O3 for one file10:25
agateaudoko: Utilities/vxl/core/vnl/tests/CMakeLists.txt10:26
dokoagateau, right, but this looks like something for the tests10:26
agateaudoko: anyway, you should be able to override things by setting CMAKE_C_FLAGS and CMAKE_CXX_FLAGS to "-O2" I think10:27
ogra_phew ...10:28
ogra_when did we get .xz support in dpkg ... i just had to wait over 10min for "dpkg-source: info: unpacking ubiquity_2.7.27.tar.xz" on my armel install10:29
agateauI see quite a few CMake flags in debian/rules already, including one which sets CMAKE_CXX_FLAGS to -Wno-deprecated10:29
agateaudoko: ^10:30
cjwatsonogra_: xz support for source packages was added in 1.15.510:30
dokoagateau, right, I see /usr/bin/g++   -DITKCommon_EXPORTS -Wno-deprecated  -Wno-deprecated  -ftemplate-depth-50 -Wall -Wno-deprecated -O3 -DNDEBUG -fPIC10:30
cjwatsonand that routinely makes a difference to how quickly I can upload ubiquity, so ...10:30
ogra_well, since its only for source packages its fine, but its (very) noticeable slower10:31
cjwatsonI suspect it's rather memory-dependent10:31
dokocjwatson, agateau: btw, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=640214  I'm wondering how many packages just don't set the debian defaults, and build with undefined/default behaviour10:31
ubottuDebian bug 640214 in cmake "cmake sets the default optimization level to -O3" [Serious,Open]10:31
ogra_ah, that might be an issue here, 512M and no swap10:32
cjwatsonperhaps you should do some benchmarking and contribute to the Debian discussion regarding using it for binaries10:32
ogra_(and lots of open apps)10:32
cjwatson(people have already suggested that that should be architecture-dependent, etc.)10:32
cjwatsondoko: does dh get it right?10:33
ogra_yeah, if it goes into binary debs i fear that would kill some stuff here ... unpacking things like gnome-user-docs already take up to 20min to only unpack here10:33
cjwatsondoko: ... doesn't appear so10:33
dokocjwatson, I probably should start with a smaller package ;-)10:33
cjwatson$ grep CMAKE /usr/share/perl5/Debian/Debhelper/Buildsystem/cmake.pm10:34
cjwatson        push @flags, "-DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/usr";10:34
cjwatson        push @flags, "-DCMAKE_VERBOSE_MAKEFILE=ON";10:34
ogra_given the ratio i see for ubiquity (1-2min vs more than 10) that would put gnome-u-d to funny unpack times10:34
dokocjwatson, well, this one is cdbs10:35
dokocjwatson, ok, neither cdbs10:35
agateaudoko: I would try to remove the line which sets the build type in debian/rules10:36
pittiseb128: oh, and gnome-desktop-sharp2, I'll try to just drop the panel bits there10:54
agateauI am still learning about multiarch, I (think I) converted two packages to multiarch, but would like to test it locally. Is there a simple way to build a i386 package from an amd64 machine?10:55
Laneypitti: please do that in exp if you can to save us doing it again10:57
Laneyyou should be able to write to pkg-cli-libs10:57
pittiLaney: ack10:57
pittiLaney: I'll finish the package removal fest first, though10:57
dokoI love debhelper not echoing the commands calling the upstream build system :-/10:57
cjwatsondoko: DH_VERBOSE=110:59
cjwatsonagateau: proper multiarch cross-building is still in its early stages; I suggest http://www.netfort.gr.jp/~dancer/software/pbuilder-doc/pbuilder-doc.html#amd64i38611:01
dokocjwatson, right, hide it in the build logs \o/11:01
agateaucjwatson: ok thanks11:02
cjwatsondoko: maybe the default verbosity for dh_auto_* should be adjusted11:02
cjwatsonthose are a bit different from the rest of dh_*11:03
dokoagateau, removing the line in debian/rules was the right hint. I'll do that for non ix8611:07
agateaudoko: good news!11:08
dokoagateau, however, some subprojects are now built *without* optimization11:08
DavieySeriously, how can vnc4 really have an uncompressed 170MB source..11:10
pittilamont: do you know what's up with dubnium? It's sitting in "almost finished" state like https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/+archive/ppa/+build/2770676 for over an hour11:10
agateaudoko: there is some ugly CMAKE_*_FLAGS manipulation in Utilities/vxl/core/vnl/algo/tests/CMakeLists.txt (line 107) I wonder if it can affect the whole project or at least other modules11:13
agateaudoko: it is supposed to only happen for gcc 2.95, but I would check nevertheless if you get there11:14
Davieypitti: I assume you agree with bug 828537 ?11:16
ubottuLaunchpad bug 828537 in meta-gnome2 (Ubuntu) "Please remove meta-gnome2 from the Oneiric archives" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/82853711:16
agateaudoko: you can do printf-like debugging with cmake with the message() function.  I would add a few `message("CMAKE_CXX_FLAGS=${CMAKE_CXX_FLAGS}")` in that CMakeLists.txt11:17
pittiDaviey: yep, will do11:18
dokoagateau, cjwatson: passing -DCMAKE_BUILD_TYPE:STRING=RelWithDebInfo does work for me. so it looks like this should be passed by default in debhelper/cdbs11:19
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agateaumakes sense to me11:19
cjwatsoncan we just do that case-by-case for oneiric where it's needed, and file upstream debhelper/cdbs bugs with the aim of changing that across the board for P?11:21
cjwatsonsabdfl: I hope we're getting a name for P soon; we could do with encoding the name in a few places :)11:22
dokoheh, it has to be a Python ;-)11:25
dokocjwatson, yes, that's my plan, didn't want to change it for oneiric11:26
pittiseb128: keeping verbiste then; no rdepends, so easy to kill, but if you want to work on it, I'll keep it for a while11:28
pittiI now went through the old applet rdepends, and removed most of them; I'll work on the others after lunch11:29
seb128pitti, I don't "want" to work on it, I just said we shouldn't kick it out because the applet is broken11:29
pittiseb128: *nod* the stuff that I removed were pure applets11:29
seb128it has a --with-gnome-applet configure flag11:30
seb128so should be trivial to turn the applet off11:30
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debfxcjwatson: in your mail about data.tar.xz you mentioned that it requires a Pre-Depends on dpkg. what about packages synced from Debian? I hope we don't need to change them.11:59
dokocjwatson, agateau: so setting CMAKE_BUILD_TYPE seems to be always wrong. using RELEASE, you get no debug info, and with RelWithDebInfo, the flags passed by dpkg-buildflags are overwritten with the hard-coded default in cmake12:10
cjwatsondebfx: IMO dak should be fixed to require that too12:11
cjwatsonunless they've explicitly decided not to since squeeze had the requisite version, I guess12:12
cjwatsondebfx: but lucid doesn't have dpkg 1.15.6, so we have to do this at least until P releases because otherwise we'll cause failures for direct upgrades from lucid to P12:13
cjwatsondebfx: after P releases, I would be willing to drop that check in LP12:13
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debfxok, in that case let's hope not too many maintainers decide to use xz compression12:22
cjwatsondebfx: a Pre-Depends for a while might not be too hard a sell, at least for those who are receptive to Ubuntu12:24
pittiseb128: verbiste fix uploaded, FYI12:35
pittiLaney: do you want me to create an experimental branch for this, or drop it in unstable? NB that in Debian, gnome-panel 3 is still in experimental12:42
pittiLaney: there are two rdeps, tomboy and drapes; tomboy is fixed in ubuntu12:42
Laneypitti: in experimental, yeah. Tomboy is fixed in exp too; I'll look at drapes soon (but probably remove it, seems pretty dead)12:42
Laneyif you do it in exp then we can just reupload to unstable when gnome-panel 3 goes12:43
pittiLaney: want me to create a new experimental branch for this, or just use master?12:44
pittiI suppose master is fine12:44
pittithis isn't likely to get another unstable upload anyway, last one was from April 201012:44
Laneyyeah, doubt it'll see an upload to unstable before then12:44
Laneythere's a bts bug you can close with the upload12:45
pittiLaney: oh, handy12:45
Laneygood old joss12:45
pittiyep, doing12:46
pittiLaney: I'm not an uploader, can you upload once I'm one, or want me to mark this as an SRU?12:48
pittisorry, NMU12:48
pittitoo many TLAs12:48
Laneypersonally don't care if you do it as a maintainer upload12:48
Laneypart of the reason we allow all DDs write access to the branches12:49
* pitti sighs and installs 171 packages worth of build deps12:52
Laneyit's also why mono is small on the CD :P12:52
pittiyeah, it's just 30 MB, so not too bad12:53
Laney(doesn't take much time with a tmpfs overlay for me)12:53
pittiLaney: oh, this isn't using git-buildpackage?12:54
pittiat least gbp acts strangely12:54
Laneyyes, it should be12:55
Laneydid you branch upstream and pristine-tar?12:55
pittiah, sorry12:56
pittibut still acting up12:56
pittino matter, I'll build it in-tree12:57
jdstranddholbach: hi! I need to reschedule my patch pilot today-- several items came up and I don't have enough hours in this day to do it12:58
directhexis there a way to do a build of mono on one of the ubuntu buildds without affecting the package currently published for oneiric? upstream have given us a possible fix for the "doesn't build on vernadsky" problem we were having with epoll, but the only machines where it always failed were ubuntu buildds12:58
dholbachjdstrand, sure, just move it to some other day that's better in the calendar12:58
Laneypitti: looks like I forgot to push the changelog for -4, give me a second12:59
pittiLaney: now, that's working nicely12:59
pittiLaney: ah, just in time12:59
pittiI'll rebase then12:59
Laneyweird, I even tagged it13:00
jdstranddholbach: ok thanks. I moved it to next wednesday since this week seems pretty full already13:00
dholbachjdstrand, whenever is good for you13:01
Laneywhat in the world13:01
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Laneypitti: all yours13:04
pittiLaney: cheers, rebased13:04
pittiLaney: still a miracle how to build a clean source package -- it always deletes Makefile.in files, even with git-buildpackage -S -us -uc -nc13:11
pittiregardless of how I build this, it alwasy complains about local changes13:11
pittiI guess the clean rule gets in the way13:12
Laneyyeah, debian/rules there is pretty ancient13:12
pittiah, found a workaround, nevermind13:12
Laneycould do with some dh-autoreconf love at least13:12
pitti15998 2011-07-13 14:06 gnome-desktop-sharp2_2.26.0-4.diff.gz13:14
pitti15598 2011-09-07 15:13 gnome-desktop-sharp2_2.26.0-5.diff.gz13:14
pittiI managed to remove and add exactly the same number of bytes :)13:14
__z0rt__in the hundreds column?13:15
pittiLaney: uploaded/pushed13:15
Laneygreat, thanks a lot!13:15
Laneydrapes has a large-ish popcon, i wonder how useful it is without the applet13:16
sabdflcjwatson, tell me about it, looks like the longest section in the darn dictionary!13:16
sabdflpitti, thanks for the digging, sounds like it's aptitude-specific and not related to our processes13:17
sabdfldoes soyuz publish changelogs now when it publishes packages, or is this still an out of band process?13:17
pittisabdfl: yes, it is13:17
pittisabdfl: LP has done something like that for quite a while now13:18
sabdfli ask because I'm usually most interested in the changelogs for recently updated packages, which are often not yet published13:18
sabdfloh, it is now?13:18
sabdflbut that's not where apt-get or aptitude look, is it?13:18
pittibut it's not a pure changelog, and invokes quite a lot of backend processing13:18
pittii. e. not just a flat file like changelogs.u.c. is13:18
sabdfli don't see why soyuz couldn't produce changelogs.u.c (and do the same for ppa's)13:18
pittisabdfl: right, apt-get/update-manager use changelogs.u.c., as these are plain files and thus scale better13:18
sabdfland also, why the archive metadata couldn't tell apt/aptitude where to find the cl's13:19
pittisabdfl: nothing stopping it in theory13:19
cjwatsonsabdfl: I think wgrant was talking about simplifying +changelog now that the full changelog is in the librarian13:19
sabdflthat would be great, could even be a redirect13:20
sabdflwgrant, what say you to ^?13:20
sabdflppa changelogs would be excellent13:20
wgrantsabdfl: As of Lucid, update-manager looks in the archive for changelogs and not just on changelogs.u.c, so third-party archives can provide them.13:23
wgrantMy intention was to implement this in Soyuz a year ago, but it turned out to be harder than expected to remove them when the sources were removed.13:23
wgrantDue to the way pools are divided by component.13:23
wgrantAnd then I got hired before solving that.13:23
wgrantBut we have all the changelogs in the librarian now, so we can display them in the web UI easily.13:24
sabdflwe have an easy way to write files, not to rm them?13:24
sabdfli'm more interested in helping apt / aptitude get them right now13:24
wgrantAnd once someone works out how to keep them in the right component on the archive disk, we can publish them to update-manager.13:24
sabdflchangelogs.ubuntu.com could in theory redirect, couldn't it?13:24
wgrantchangelogs.ubuntu.com is a bit of a special case. It could probably redirect, yes.13:25
wgrantNot sure how much update-manager would like that, though.13:25
wgrantIt may be better to make the update process cheaper, and run it regularly as an LP API client.13:25
wgrantSince it should just have to watch for recent source publications, and pull down their changelogs.13:26
wgrantPretty trivially cheap.13:26
wgrantI'm not sure the LP API exposes changelogs easily yet, but that's literally a 2-line fix.13:26
__z0rt__I'm not really new to c coding for the linux platform, per se, but I mainly *worked* with unix. So, I was wondering... is there something similar to fbsd's style (indent guide) for ubuntu?13:32
pittidoko: I'm confused by https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/seahorse/+bug/840611/comments/1, seems the packages weren't actually removed?13:34
ubottuLaunchpad bug 840611 in seahorse (Ubuntu Oneiric) "seahorse dropped the libcryptui-dev package, needed by almanah and seahorse-plugins" [High,Confirmed]13:34
dokopitti, I just removed the binaries13:35
cjwatson__z0rt__: Ubuntu is made up of many packages, and each one tends to have its own preferred style13:41
cjwatson__z0rt__: it's much more important to adhere to the prevailing style of the code you're editing13:41
__z0rt__ah, okay. thank you13:41
smoserkees, if you would, https://code.launchpad.net/~smoser/ubuntu/oneiric/nagios-plugins/lp837085/+merge/74309 nagios-plugins is ready.13:45
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apwpitti, i think what was happening was apport-gtk was crashing while trying to handle a crash13:54
apwand we were going into a repeated cycle of that, with a new apport-gtk appearing repeatedly (differnt pids)13:54
pittiapw: can you reproduce this when you run "apport-bug /var/crash/something"? do you get a stack trace on stdout?13:54
* apw will see whats in there13:55
apw_usr_share_apport_apport-gtk.1000.crash .. i see i have an apport-gtk crash in ther13:55
apwthat seems 'bad'13:55
pittiapw: can you pastebin the file? (or put on people etc.)13:55
apwpitti, http://paste.ubuntu.com/684418/13:56
pittiapw: hm, I fixed that yesterday -- what's yoru apport-gtk version?13:57
jtaylorwhat does nbs stand for?14:12
pittijtaylor: "not built from source"14:13
pittii. e. a binary that is not built by anything14:13
pittiusually old libraries or renamed packages14:13
jtaylorah ok, thx14:13
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pitticjwatson: do you think there's a realistic chance to fix gnash on armel, or sohuld we just remove the armel binaries?14:36
pitticjwatson: it seems to be the last rdepends of a whole lot of libav NBS stuff14:37
cjwatsonpitti: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/09/05/%23ubuntu-devel.html#t11:33 and http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/09/05/%23ubuntu-devel.html#t16:2414:38
pittiah, thanks14:39
micahgif someone feels it's pressing, please feel free to merge gnash, otherwise, I'll take care of it as soon as I have some time (when out of crisis mode)14:41
micahgit might need an FFe as it's a new version, but should be easy to get approval14:41
pittiyeah, it's easy enough to test14:41
pittimicahg: not super-urgent, no14:41
seb128pitti, thanks15:07
ahasenackhi, can someone please nominate https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/smart/+bug/244453 for lucid, maverick and natty? I added the SRU request to the bug and 3 debdiff files, one for each distro15:27
ubottuLaunchpad bug 244453 in smart (Ubuntu) "pycurl does not fail on authentication error" [Undecided,New]15:27
ahasenackit's fixed in oneiric already15:27
stgraberahasenack: done15:28
ahasenackstgraber: thanks!15:28
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seb128cjwatson, pitti, Laney: but the glib multiarch bug has been dupped from bug #83562515:30
ubottuLaunchpad bug 835625 in apt (Ubuntu Oneiric) "apt may try to unpack a foreign-arch multiarch library before the native package is at a multiarch version, prohibited by dpkg" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/83562515:30
seb128just for info15:30
Laneyah, cheers15:31
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tedgHowdy, trying to get flash installed and it's not handling the multi-arch stuff.16:00
tedgWhich I heard was supposed to be fixed now.16:00
tedgIt seems to not go down the stack to install all the i386 libs.16:00
tedgIs there anything I should try/get debug info?16:01
keessmoser: hi! okay, looking at it now16:11
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dholbachUrsinha-holiday, enjoy!16:13
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muneebwhich app is used to draw these kind of mockups? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NotifyOSD?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=fallback-alert-mixed.jpg16:37
jcastromuneeb: those are drawn by hand16:41
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bdmurraypitti: I'd like to add in the version of apport being used to apport bug reports do you have any preference as to where this happens?  The ubuntu general hook or the generic one?16:53
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bdmurrayjames_w: Do you happen to have a bzr plugin to modify a bug upon a cmmit?17:09
bdmurrayer commit17:09
james_wbdmurray, I do not17:09
james_wbdmurray, like set it fix committed or similar?17:09
bdmurrayjames_w: well I want one to modify tags and remove a subscriber but yeah17:09
james_wI don't know of such a thing, sorry17:10
james_whow would it know which bug to modify?17:10
bdmurrayIt'd be in the commit message17:11
bdmurrayor in the diff of the file I'm committing17:11
bdmurraythe latter makes more sense17:11
james_wbdmurray, the post_commit hook point is likely what you would want. I'm not sure how to look at the diff given what is passed to it, but once you have that the rest should be straightforward if you want to give it a go17:14
bdmurrayjames_w: thanks17:14
james_wit's likely that you would have to generate the diff between the tree you get as an argument and its parent17:16
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shnatsel|busyhello everybody17:26
shnatsel|busyI'm having trouble with Germinate again17:26
shnatsel|busyI get "Permission denied (publickey)." error on remote branch checkout, whatever I try. I've managed to work that around using a local branch, but now it attempts to read "platform.oneiric" branch from the same location and can't find it.17:27
shnatsel|busyman germinate doesn't mention any platforms17:28
shnatsel|busyneither does the ubuntu-meta package17:28
Chipzzshnatsel|busy: "Permission denied (publickey)." looks like an SSH error message. The problem very likely is that either a) you simply are not allowed access to the remote server or b) your key isn't properly loaded17:32
infinityshnatsel|busy: As a quick workaround, you could branch platform.oneiric locally too, but it sounds like it's trying to get a r/w lock on the remote, which you quite likely don't have access to do.  bzr misconfiguration or some such?17:37
shnatsel|busyChipzz, infinity: yeah I tried all that, I'm OK with a local branch for now. I'm more concerned about the platform.oneiric thing that seems to be undocumented but required.17:38
infinityshnatsel|busy: It's just a branch sitting next to ubuntu.oneiric.17:39
shnatsel|busyinfinity: yeah I see, what should it contain?17:39
infinityshnatsel|busy: ubuntu/xubuntu/kubuntu all depend on it, STRUCTURE defines this.17:39
infinityshnatsel|busy: It just contains.. More seeds.  Common seeds, so we don't have to change things in 3 places.17:40
shnatsel|busyyeah, it's looking for STRUCTURE in that branch too...17:40
shnatsel|busyinfinity: OMG17:40
shnatsel|busyinfinity: thanks17:40
shnatsel|busyhuh, I can't even branch  bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-seeds/platform.oneiric17:51
shnatsel|busysame "Permission denied (publickey)."17:51
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shnatsel|busyremoving "+ssh" returns timeout error17:57
shnatsel|busyoh, it's Launchpad. lp: should do it.18:08
infinityshnatsel|busy: The pubkey denial sounds like your default ssh key is one that LP isn't fond of.  You could just branch over http.18:08
shnatsel|busyyep, LP did it18:09
shnatsel|busyinfinity: I'm now using 100% clean fresh Ubuntu Oneiric daily18:09
Seqjdstrand: Thanks for fixing #843552! I reported it at about 0200 local time and was going to submit a patch today after work. You're very speedy.18:16
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jdstrandSeq: :)18:34
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shnatsel|busyhmmm, OK finally I made some seeds work18:57
shnatsel|busyonly locally though18:57
shnatsel|busybazaar's SSH drives me nuts18:58
cjwatsonshnatsel|busy: have you (a) run 'bzr launchpad-login' (b) set up ~/.ssh/config appropriately?  https://help.launchpad.net/Code/UploadingABranch has instructions18:59
cjwatsonset this up correctly once and you should not need to do it again18:59
shnatsel|busycjwatson: I had a valid LP login, it didn't help19:00
cjwatsonshnatsel|busy: have you specifically done both of the two operations I listed above?19:00
shnatsel|busycjwatson: I removed my LP login, it didn't help either19:00
cjwatsonI expect that your local username differs from your Launchpad username, and that you need to tell ~/.ssh/config about this.  As I say, instructions in the URL above.19:03
shnatsel|busycjwatson: I have a complex setup so I won't bother you with the details; I think I have enough info to deal with that now. Thanks for your help!19:03
cjwatson(Either that, or multiple public keys and it's using the wrong one, or you haven't uploaded your public key(s) to Launchpad.)19:03
cjwatsonIf it helps decouple things from bzr in your head, your system ought to be set up such that 'sftp bazaar.launchpad.net' works.19:04
hallynoneiric i386, when doing apt-get update (well it was a new install) i get Hash Sum Mismatch19:25
hallynthen i can't install anything (pastebinit, openssh-server, etc)19:26
Davieyhallyn: I think there is an issue with the archive atm.. it's been update-in-progres for hours19:36
Davieyhallyn: I threw " archive.ubuntu.com" in my hosts which looks like a good mirror atm19:36
Daviey(part of the a.u.c RR)19:36
hallynDaviey: thx!19:37
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hallynDaviey: (that actually didn't work for me;  hope that'll get fixed soon)20:05
Davieyhallyn: :(, sorry.20:14

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