[06:24] <earl2hol23> Whats this now?
[06:24] <earl2hol23> Why am I in limbo
[06:24] <rww> earl2hol23: one second, I'll go take a look
[06:25] <rww> (and by "one second", I mean "meh, the website is slow, this might take a couple of minutes")
[06:30] <earl2hol23> Boy, you weren't kidding.
[06:30] <earl2hol23> I'll just masturbate.
[06:30] <rww> earl2hol23: yeah, sorry. The bot wasn't co-operating for me, I'm having someone else take a look.
[06:30] <elky> I don't think I need to look at the bantracker anymore, rww.
[06:31] <rww> elky: yeah, I am getting that sense. log is more of the same?
[06:31] <elky> rww yes.
[06:32] <earl2hol23> Whats the word fellas.
[06:32] <rww> elky: original set date?
[06:32] <elky> rww 28th
[06:32] <elky> he's had plenty of time to grow up.
[06:33] <rww> earl2hol23: Come back in a few days and try to catch bazhang online when you're in a more family-friendly mood.
[06:33] <earl2hol23> And then what?
[06:34] <elky> That depends entirely on how you conduct yourself.
[06:36] <earl2hol23> I see.
[06:36] <earl2hol23> I'll start with 200 Siemens.
[06:36] <earl2hol23> And progress accordingly.
[06:36] <elky> What do you mean by that?
[06:39] <earl2hol23> Bazhang seems to be here right now.
[06:40] <rww> earl2hol23: His client is connected. He last talked about 17 hours ago.
[06:40] <elky> He's not actually at the computer. Probably sleeping or something.
[06:40] <elky> earl2hol23, as you will have noticed in the topic of this channel, we don't permit idling here. Please return in 48hrs or more
[06:40] <earl2hol23> ah sure.
[06:42] <topyli> do *to*?
[06:43] <earl2hol23> crap
[06:43] <earl2hol23> Ill let myself out
[06:43] <earl2hol23> But before I go, I just wanted to let bazhang know
[06:43] <earl2hol23> that im truly sorry
[06:44] <elky> You should be specific about what you're sorry about.
[06:44] <earl2hol23> that hes such an uptight lame petty twat with a childs precious ego
[06:45] <topyli> how nice
[06:45] <rww> @mark #ubuntu-ops earl2hol23
[06:46] <earl2hol23> :D
[06:46] <earl2hol23> gnight dears
[06:46] <elky> topyli, i see you're around. since it's almost 7pm and im still at the office, i'll take this opportunity to go.
[06:47] <topyli> i'll be around for a while, have a huge backlog of email and other todo, so i'll be sitting at the damn computer for a while :\
[09:01] <Tm_T> ubottu: no, !ops-#ubuntu-server is <reply>Help! Channel emergency! soren, lamont, mathiaz, Pici, Daviey, Tm_T or pmatulis
[09:01] <Tm_T> hm?
[09:01] <Tm_T> ubottu: no, ops-#ubuntu-server is <reply>Help! Channel emergency! soren, lamont, mathiaz, Pici, Daviey, Tm_T or pmatulis
[09:01] <Tm_T> ...
[09:17] <oCean> what happened in -ot??
[09:22] <elky> with deltaepsilon?
[09:22] <elky> oh.
[09:23] <elky> it's not even a full moon
[09:25] <oCean> I don't think the channels follow the moon phase anymore.
[09:25] <rww> all crazy, all the time!
[09:42] <Tm_T> ubottu: no, opendns is <reply>To set up OpenDNS in Ubuntu, see https://store.opendns.com/setup/device/ubuntu/
[09:43] <Tm_T> no response?
[09:44] <Tm_T> bah, worked in -irc
[09:45] <ikonia> I don't think that should be included
[09:45] <ikonia> if it's valid information it should be put into an ubuntu wiki page that we can maintin and linked to
[09:48] <ikonia> a lot of the factoids that link to external sites don't get maintained and cause problems in the long run, so if the advice is valid I think it should be on an ubuntu wiki page that if it changes we can maintain
[09:49] <ikonia> plus I don't think we should be linking to external sites unless it really is the best and trusted option
[09:50] <elky> agreed. the information belongs on a wikipage which we link to
[09:55] <Tm_T> ikonia: well, it was already linking there
[09:55] <Tm_T> so the edit was an improvement (old link was obsolete)
[09:57] <Tm_T> feel free to do it right (;
[10:32] <oCean> !+font
Font installation basics here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FontInstallHowto - No fonts in Flash? Install "msttcorefonts" (from !Multiverse), "gsfonts", and "gsfonts-x11". No fonts in MPlayer? see !MPlayer. For the official ubuntu font, see: http://font.ubuntu.com/
[10:32] <oCean> !+mplayer
a media player. It resides in the mutiverse repository and can easily be installed via applications -> add/remove. For codecs try !codecs
[10:32] <oCean> aha!
[10:33] <oCean> why was it deleted.
[10:34] <oCean> and it's in universe it seems, not mutiverse :p
[10:34] <IdleOne> !mplayer
[10:34] <IdleOne> !players
[10:35] <oCean> weird
[10:35] <IdleOne> who knows.
[10:35] <oCean> I blame eir :p
[10:39] <IdleOne> !za is <reply> Do you need help with Ubuntu or Kubuntu in Afrikaans?  Type /join #ubuntu-za  or  /join #kubuntu-za - Het jy hulp nodig het met Ubuntu of Kubuntu in Afrikaans? Tik /join #ubuntu-za of /join #kubuntu-za.
[10:39] <IdleOne> !za > barkingfish
[10:41] <oCean> vibhav: what's up?
[10:42] <vibhav> a guy called K-Rich is using words like perv3rt and d1ck in ubuntulo1 offtopic
[10:42] <vibhav> please tell him to stop
[10:43] <IdleOne> that was  minutes ago. if he does it again you can also remind him of the !language rules.
[10:43] <IdleOne> 5*
[10:43] <vibhav> cause my mom is  sitting beside me and if she noticies that , im gone
[10:44] <vibhav> ill observe him
[10:44] <vibhav> please kick as i cannot use part in this irc client
[10:44] <vibhav> me*
[10:45] <jussi> vibhav: type /part
[10:45] <vibhav> not enough parameters specified jussi
[10:45] <jussi> vibhav: type /part #ubuntu-ops
[10:45] <IdleOne> there you go. I let him know about our rules.
[10:46] <oCean> jussi: it seems you edited !mplayer last - did that mean you deleted it?
[10:46] <jussi> !mplayer
[10:46] <oCean> !+mplayer
a media player. It resides in the mutiverse repository and can easily be installed via applications -> add/remove. For codecs try !codecs
[10:46] <oCean> but it's referred from !font
[10:46] <jussi> probably
[10:46] <oCean> !+font
Font installation basics here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FontInstallHowto - No fonts in Flash? Install "msttcorefonts" (from !Multiverse), "gsfonts", and "gsfonts-x11". No fonts in MPlayer? see !MPlayer. For the official ubuntu font, see: http://font.ubuntu.com/
[10:47] <jussi> !no font is <reply>Font installation basics here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FontInstallHowto - No fonts in Flash? Install "msttcorefonts" (from !Multiverse), "gsfonts", and "gsfonts-x11". For the official ubuntu font, see: http://font.ubuntu.com/
[10:47] <jussi> :)
[10:47] <oCean> or that :)
[10:48] <jussi> see, I beleive in "!info mplayer" :) - says mostly the same thing without being needed to be updated
[10:49] <oCean> jussi: sure but _once_ there was probably some useful no-fonts-in-mplayer-info in that factoid
[10:50] <jussi> I wonder how much trouble it would be to build some sort of dependencies into the new factoid system, so that if you delete something that another factoid references, it warns you.
[10:50] <oCean> we have #ubuntu users for exactly that
[10:50] <jussi> pish. not reliable enough.
[10:51] <oCean> got a point there
[10:51] <IdleOne> hahaha jussi done lost his mind
[10:52] <IdleOne> is the bot not over worked as it is
[10:58] <tsimpson> jussi: that would be hell to implement, a factoid is just a key and a string of text
[10:59] <tsimpson> it would require loading and searching *every* factoid and searching for the deleted factoid (and all aliases) every time a factoid is edited
[10:59] <tsimpson> ^ this is not nice
[10:59] <jussi> tsimpson: yes, I guess so.
[11:00] <knome> tsimpson, not if the dependencies were cached on an another db table
[11:00] <tsimpson> knome: would still add a lot of overhead
[11:00] <tsimpson> and complexity
[11:00] <knome> tsimpson, of course. but only when adding/editing :)
[11:01] <knome> tsimpson, and a bit when deleting, but not really much.
[11:01] <tsimpson> knome: patches are welcome ;)
[11:02] <knome> tsimpson, haha, what's the language?
[11:02] <tsimpson> python + supybot
[11:03] <knome> can't do python :P
[11:03] <jussi> incorrect. python + evilness.  :D
[11:03] <tsimpson> storm in stormyfacts, python-sqlite in encyclopedia
[11:03] <jussi> no encyclopedia implementation needed
[11:03] <jpds> storm+
[11:03] <jpds> ++*
[11:04] <tsimpson> except storm doesn't really like postgresql afaik
[11:04] <jpds> tsimpson: wut.
[11:04] <tsimpson> I remember trying it with sqlite, mysql, and postgres back ends, the postgres one just didn't want to work
[11:04] <tsimpson> this was a while ago though
[11:05]  * jussi volunteers jpds to fix the postgres in stormyfacts.
[11:05] <jpds> tsimpson: Launchpad has been using postgres/storm since forever.
[11:05] <tsimpson> well it failed on lucid
[11:06] <tsimpson> as I say though, I only tested it many months ago
[11:07] <tsimpson> jpds: if you're feeling helpful, could you give storm the ability to create tables (in a non implementation dependant way)? Pleeese :)
[11:11] <jpds> tsimpson: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/684302/
[11:13] <jpds> tsimpson: Tweak __storm_table__. Do that in the first run, otherwise after that it'll return an already existing table error.
[11:14] <tsimpson> jpds: yeah, well postgresql doesn't like CREATE TABLE IF NOT EXISTS, though MySQL and SQLite do
[11:14] <tsimpson> also DATETIME vs TIMESTAMP
[11:14] <tsimpson> and the auto increment thing, which is a little less important
[11:15] <tsimpson> (though I wasn't 100% serious in suggesting that you should go and make storm do all these things)
[11:15] <jpds> wgrant is probably a better person to ask than me.
[11:15] <tsimpson> I doubt it's trivial to get working, or it would already be done
[12:11] <Pici> I haven't read all the scrollback, but it sounds like a good job for sqlalchemy.
[12:15] <tsimpson> looks similar to Storm
[12:15]  * Pici doesn't actually know a lot about storm
[12:16] <tsimpson> "Storm is an object-relational mapper (ORM) for Python" "SQLAlchemy is the Python SQL toolkit and Object Relational Mapper"
[12:16] <tsimpson> https://storm.canonical.com/ btw
[12:20] <Myrtti> blaa
[12:22] <Pici> curious, there are some things in there that are very similar to sqlalchemy.
[12:22] <Tm_T> you should use Qt4 instead
[12:22]  * Tm_T hides
[12:22] <Pici> Tm_T: good idea
[12:23] <Tm_T> few examples, http://www.blogistan.co.uk/qt/2006/02/mkbot_qt4_based_irc_bot.php and https://github.com/minirop/Bot-chan
[12:32] <tsimpson> mkbot is deaded, bot-chan is way too simple
[12:32] <Tm_T> yup
[12:32] <tsimpson> bot-chan and uses non standard stuff, bad bot!
[12:33] <Tm_T> it's just an interesting thought, using the possibilities of Qt on an irc bot
[12:33] <tsimpson> Tm_T: yes, I have been playing with that idea for a while ;)
[12:34] <Tm_T> I've been playing with that idea since I heard of mkbot first time, what, 5 years ago? (:
[12:34] <tsimpson> it would also be quite nice if one were to be able to script such a bot in many script languages...
[12:34] <Tm_T> shame I have no time nor patience to do anything with that thought
[12:34] <tsimpson> including over DBus
[12:35] <Tm_T> tsimpson: uh, KDE (or was it Qt too) has perl bindings, if that's what you're after
[12:35] <tsimpson> well, I'm not after perl
[12:35] <Tm_T> I know, I'm just still amused with the whole idea of using perl for writing some KDE/Qt app
[12:36] <tsimpson> Tm_T: I was being semi-sarcastic, because I know that KDE/Qt has lovely bindings to many languages
[12:36] <Tm_T> ircbot and qt, you gotta be a bit sarcastic to discuss it (:
[12:36] <tsimpson> so if one were to write an IRC bot in Qt, it would remove the "sorry, I don't know <language> so can't help" excuse
[12:37] <Tm_T> indeed
[12:37] <Pici> Its certainly an interesting idea...
[12:37] <jpds> Just write it in Go.
[12:37] <Tm_T> jpds: awww, no go bindings yet
[12:38] <tsimpson> I think I prefer Eiffel over Go
[12:39] <Tm_T> but ye, list is rather impressive I'd say: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qt_%28framework%29#Bindings
[12:39] <Myrtti> Qt is a script language :->
[12:39] <Myrtti> ahem :-D
[12:39]  * Myrtti hides
[16:24] <Myrtti> !botabuse > adam_
[18:37] <Pici> ikonia: I guess you saw what ActionParsnip did too?
[18:37] <ikonia> yes
[18:37] <ikonia> not impressed with it
[18:37] <Pici> me either.
[18:38] <Pici> Been trying to get some work done here though, trying not to get sidetracked with IRC stuff
[18:38] <ikonia> me too, got a lot of expenses and stuff to arrange, but taking a break
[18:38] <Pici> and just looking at where this issue is going I'm glad I didn't answer.
[18:39] <ikonia> yes, I'm annoyed with myself
[18:42] <Tm_T> hmm, -ot?
[18:43] <Tm_T> apparently no
[18:52] <ikonia> I think we should remove alien from !rpm
[18:52] <ikonia> it's a terrible solution to recommend and it really doesn't spell out the dangers
[18:52] <Pici> fine with me.
[18:52] <ikonia> cool
[18:53] <rww> I think we should remove all mentions of alien that are not criticisms from ubottu, personally :\
[18:53] <ikonia> %99.99999 of the time it will not work and break things, I just don't feel we should push it via the bot
[18:53] <ikonia> I'll remvoe it
[18:53] <ikonia> remove
[18:54] <Pici> I wouldn't remove alien entirely from the bot though, just make it sound like its a bad idea.. a really bad idea.
[18:54] <ikonia> I'd remove it from !rpm, but have !alien
[18:54] <rww> !search alien
[18:54] <Pici> sounds good
[18:54] <rww> wfm
[18:57] <mneptok> !alien
[18:58] <Pricey> ikonia: heh... alien... hasn't everyone been saying that for yeeeeeeeeears? :)
[18:58] <ikonia> Pricey: it's just the worst thing ever
[18:58] <ikonia> apart from the fact that symantic force you to use it as an official install method for ubuntu and netbackup
[18:59] <Pricey> hehe sorry I wasn't disagreeing with you, its just amusing how its still raging
[19:01] <rww> as in the antivirus company?
[19:06] <Myrtti> oooh
[19:06] <Myrtti> it's a PRICEY
[19:06]  * Myrtti jumps and huggles
[19:15] <Pricey> Myrtti: Howdy :)
[19:21] <Pici> wauw
[19:21] <Pici> ltns
[19:25] <ikonia> rww: as in the company that now owns veritas and all it's enterprise products
[19:25] <ikonia> Pricey: sorry was away, it's not as raging as it was, but I just saw someone trying to use it in #ubuntu
[19:33] <Jordan_U> Does the "don't take polls" policy mentioned in !best apply to #ubuntu-offtopic as well? Possibly to a lesser extent?
[19:34] <Pici> yes
[19:34] <Jordan_U> Ok.
[19:55] <IdleOne> the Aliens are coming, the Aliens are coming!
[19:57] <rww> IdleOne: you're already here ;(
[20:00] <IdleOne> yeah, but the rest are coming to join me
[20:00] <IdleOne> I miss them
[20:00] <IdleOne> will you be my friend :)
[22:23] <KindOne> The FloodBot that sets the bans for people effected by the DCC expoit, is that opensource somewhere?
[22:23] <IdleOne> no it isnb't
[22:23] <IdleOne> isn't
[22:24] <KindOne> Oh well, thanks anyway
[22:24] <tonyyarusso> KindOne: ubottu is, but the Floodbots are not.  Sorry.
[22:50] <mneptok> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_92nT8zsWAo
[22:50]  * mneptok floats out the window