| jrwren | rick_h_: specialized is NICE. | 00:49 |
|---|---|---|
| jrwren | i always think specialized is a little nicer than Trek in general. Not for the $$. but AFAIK Specialized doesn't compete in the low end like Trek does in some areas. e.g. mtn bikes in teh $300 range. | 00:50 |
| brousch | greg-g: i thought you rode a fixie | 01:02 |
| snap-l | Eeeeevening | 01:53 |
| jrwren | night | 01:54 |
| === jjesse_ is now known as jjesse | ||
| brousch | damn you snap-l. i listened to two episodes of omc and now have 7 tabs open to jamendo | 02:19 |
| snap-l | Can anyone riddle me why flash isn't working under Oneiric? | 02:19 |
| snap-l | brousch: HEh, awesome. | 02:19 |
| brousch | hm, someone just posted a problem with flash on debian to the grlug list | 02:20 |
| brousch | could be something that's going around? | 02:20 |
| snap-l | Yes, it's called I can't watch Doctor Who on this laptio | 02:20 |
| snap-l | and it is making me angry | 02:20 |
| brousch | 7 jamendos and 1 blood red box | 02:20 |
| snap-l | Also, fuck flash in the neck | 02:24 |
| snap-l | God, my Oneiric machine feels like a slow piece of shit | 02:35 |
| Blazeix | well, it's still beta right? | 02:36 |
| Blazeix | I wouldn't want to be judged on my software that I deam 'beta' | 02:36 |
| Blazeix | s/deam/deem/ | 02:37 |
| jjesse | you could switch to kde :) | 02:37 |
| snap-l | Blazeix: So Ubuntu can never be judged. | 02:37 |
| * jjesse ducks | 02:37 | |
| snap-l | seriously, it's either beta or unsupported | 02:37 |
| snap-l | or LTS, which means it gets one extra month of support | 02:37 |
| Blazeix | snap-l: ? ubuntu has releases? unless I'm misunderstanding | 02:37 |
| snap-l | Yeah, once it's released, it's unsupported. ;) | 02:38 |
| snap-l | try filing a bug against Natty | 02:38 |
| snap-l | Also, Adobe Flash needs to fucking die in a fire | 02:40 |
| Blazeix | no argument from me there | 02:40 |
| snap-l | Well, this fucking cuntpickle piece of shit apparently can't find it's ass with both hands | 02:42 |
| snap-l | also, my network is really slow under wireless. | 02:42 |
| snap-l | I mean horrifically slow | 02:42 |
| Blazeix | sounds like its time to move away from unity, huh? | 02:42 |
| Blazeix | needle needle | 02:42 |
| snap-l | not helping | 02:43 |
| Blazeix | :) | 02:43 |
| snap-l | I'm getting really shit transfers | 02:43 |
| jjesse | you could switch to Kubuntu | 02:43 |
| snap-l | jjesse: You could switch to breathing underwater. | 02:44 |
| jjesse | nice | 02:44 |
| snap-l | I never understood that logic. :) | 02:44 |
| snap-l | I have a problem with A. | 02:45 |
| snap-l | Immediately, everyone suggests B-Z as a solution | 02:45 |
| snap-l | when what I really want is for A to work | 02:45 |
| snap-l | Is that too much to ask? | 02:45 |
| Blazeix | your problem was "fucking cuntpickle piece of shit apparently can't find it's ass with both hands" | 02:45 |
| Blazeix | that's tough to diagnose. | 02:45 |
| snap-l | Whenever I say "fucking cuntpickle piece of shit apparently can't find it's ass with both hands", I mean the Adobe Installer | 02:46 |
| snap-l | that's about as plain as I can make it. | 02:46 |
| snap-l | Finally | 02:48 |
| snap-l | Apparently it jst needed to be reinstalled | 02:48 |
| snap-l | Someone on #ubuntu suggested I use someone's flash PPA | 02:49 |
| snap-l | I shall now watch Doctor Who and get a dose of reality. | 02:49 |
| snap-l | laterness. | 02:49 |
| brousch | cuntpickle? | 02:50 |
| jrwren | *gasp* offensive | 02:50 |
| brousch | CoC-slap him | 03:05 |
| snap-l | I'm getting 100KB/s with this wireless card. | 03:46 |
| snap-l | And the USB network connection is getting about 8 times that | 03:48 |
| rick_h_ | snap-l: https://github.com/shacker/django-todo/wiki/Overview-and-screenshots | 11:20 |
| rick_h_ | Blazeix: man, reading scollback you're my hero | 11:22 |
| rick_h_ | http://paste.mitechie.com/show/402/ ftw | 11:22 |
| snap-l | rick_h_: Thanks. It's looks like it handles the todo piece, but not projects or creating other lists. | 12:18 |
| snap-l | rick_h_: I clarified. :) | 12:18 |
| snap-l | Also if anyone was here at 6am for the meeting, I doubly apologize | 12:21 |
| rick_h_ | snap-l: it looked like it did | 12:21 |
| rick_h_ | they had a GTD list, and some other lists | 12:21 |
| rick_h_ | lol | 12:21 |
| brousch | i woke up at 5 so i could shower beforehand | 12:23 |
| brousch | the half a pot of coffee will irritate my angina all day | 12:23 |
| snap-l | brousch: I hope you're kidding | 12:24 |
| brousch | of course | 12:24 |
| brousch | i get to re-retire my ubuntu 6.06 server today | 12:26 |
| snap-l | That good, eh? | 12:27 |
| brousch | i shut it down a while ago, but found a couple of things i failed to migrate | 12:27 |
| brousch | like the mysql database and sync scripts that had been running untouched for 4 years, and files people had edited because our ancient Word actually mapped default folders via UNC name instead of drive letter | 12:28 |
| rick_h_ | awesome | 12:29 |
| snap-l | brousch: UNC name probably felt really smart a long time ago. :) | 12:29 |
| snap-l | I really, really hate drive-letter mapping | 12:30 |
| brousch | i've found drive mapping very handy. i can move whole programs to a different server and the clients don't know anything changed | 12:30 |
| snap-l | It's like getting a realy cool computer and realizing it's running CP/M under the hood | 12:31 |
| brousch | which is important when said program is a foxpro-based crap pile from 2001 | 12:31 |
| snap-l | Yeah,I know it has it's uses, but it would drive me bonkers when people insisted that their P: drive was the same as my P: drive | 12:32 |
| rick_h_ | +1 | 12:32 |
| snap-l | and explaining why that wasn't the case was infuriating. | 12:32 |
| rick_h_ | especially when I'm on linux and don't have any P drive | 12:32 |
| rick_h_ | "I put the files up on the O drive, you can get them there" | 12:32 |
| brousch | well everyone has the same drives here except their L: points to their own home dir | 12:32 |
| rick_h_ | grrrr...wtf is that o drive they use? /me boots vm with allt he fancy mappings | 12:33 |
| brousch | so when they say the O: i know they all mean the drafting share | 12:33 |
| rick_h_ | come on 10am | 12:33 |
| brousch | i guess when you're the one that set up the drives it's easier to remember | 12:33 |
| rick_h_ | lol, and I'm guessing you use them on occassion | 12:34 |
| rick_h_ | when there's 8 or 9 of them and you never use them but once a month or less...ugh | 12:34 |
| brousch | right | 12:34 |
| brousch | a windows computer is always running next to me for fixing user issues | 12:34 |
| brousch | my linux laptop is my main computer where i make new stuff | 12:34 |
| brousch | which brings me to my next comment. Flask isn't ready for my big project, so I'm going to have to use Pyramid or Django. i really hope pyramid works out | 12:36 |
| Wolfger | snap-l+++++ (re: drive mapping) | 12:52 |
| Wolfger | always drove me crazy here at Chrysler... "It's on the P drive" ... I don't have a P drive. How about you give me the actual server share name? | 12:53 |
| Wolfger | "the what?" | 12:53 |
| Wolfger | aren't you in the IT department? | 12:53 |
| Wolfger | friggin' IT managers who don't have a clue about mapping drives | 12:54 |
| brousch | that sounds like your fault for not knowing what the user's P: maps to. they have no idea - they are just lusers | 12:59 |
| snap-l | no, they're marketing or other types that just want to get shit done | 13:00 |
| snap-l | and their shared directory happened to be mapped to P: just like everyone elses shares mapped to P: | 13:00 |
| snap-l | because when you limit yourself to 26 characters, some of which have magic meanings that reduce that set to ~20 characters, and a company of thousands of departments, it gets a little tricky to map | 13:01 |
| === ch0use is now known as chouse | ||
| snap-l | chousemusic? | 13:07 |
| snap-l | chousedressing, maybe. | 13:07 |
| chouse | newp | 13:08 |
| chouse | i couldn't recall my nickserv password for chouse so i was lurking under ch0use for a bit | 13:09 |
| chouse | but i have previaled | 13:09 |
| chouse | also, http://www.mixcloud.com/pauloakenfold/ | 13:10 |
| snap-l | I'm nto sure what it is, but Paul Oakenfold bores me | 13:11 |
| chouse | snap! | 13:11 |
| chouse | sheer music throwdown | 13:11 |
| chouse | what are you down with | 13:12 |
| snap-l | Might have been the CD i was listening to | 13:12 |
| snap-l | chouse: heh... :) | 13:12 |
| snap-l | chouse: http://openmetalcast.com is a sampling. ;) | 13:12 |
| chouse | i dunno, he posts a new 2 hour mix ever couple of days. fun stuff | 13:12 |
| chouse | alright alright, i'm down with that too for the most part | 13:12 |
| snap-l | yeah, I pretty much don't like most popular country and most pop music (but I can appreciate the production in pop music) | 13:13 |
| snap-l | I love Jazz (mostly bebop and hard-bop), Classical (symphonic, chamber, instrumental) | 13:14 |
| chouse | vanberge: please comment re http://openmetalcast.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/open_metalcast_029.mp3 | 13:14 |
| chouse | snap-l: what are you listening to RIGHT NOW | 13:14 |
| snap-l | My laptop's fan? | 13:14 |
| chouse | does it change pitch and tone at regular intervals? | 13:15 |
| snap-l | Depending on the load of work, yes. | 13:15 |
| vanberge | chouse: what have you sent me | 13:15 |
| snap-l | but I'm sure not going to record it and play it in some secluded New York Penthouse and expect people to call me brilliant for doing such | 13:15 |
| brousch | chouse: snap-l is actually the person that creates the openmetalcast podcasts | 13:15 |
| chouse | so far so good honestly | 13:16 |
| snap-l | Thank you. | 13:16 |
| Wolfger | brousch: I'm not help desk, and they aren't "users". They are managers, asking me to retrieve such-and-such red tape document "off of P drive". Like that means anything. | 13:17 |
| Wolfger | ...or possibly you were talking to snap-l :-p | 13:17 |
| Wolfger | is it lunchtime yet? | 13:18 |
| jjesse | yes | 13:18 |
| snap-l | Wolfger: Somewhere it is | 13:18 |
| snap-l | It's also Miller time somewhere | 13:18 |
| chouse | digging http://www.jamendo.com/en/track/68461 | 13:19 |
| vanberge | lol | 13:19 |
| snap-l | Yeah, I loved that track | 13:20 |
| vanberge | what an album art | 13:20 |
| snap-l | Some of these are pretty low-budget affairs | 13:20 |
| chouse | woa, just noticed the album art | 13:20 |
| chouse | brb minimizing browser/nsfw | 13:20 |
| snap-l | It's blurred | 13:21 |
| snap-l | I'm sure nobody noticed | 13:21 |
| chouse | hopefully | 13:21 |
| chouse | i zoomed in quite a bit full screen etc | 13:21 |
| snap-l | I put out a new episode every other Tuesday, with a few special episodes thrown in there for good measure (Club Metal = Industrial, Instrumetalcast = Instrumental metal) | 13:24 |
| snap-l | Speaking of which, I haven't made an instrumetalcast in a long while. | 13:24 |
| brousch | snap-l: those are my favorite | 13:25 |
| snap-l | Thanks. I'll need to put one together soon. | 13:25 |
| Wolfger | snap-l: I'm more than ready for both... | 13:25 |
| Wolfger | oh, *and* an instrumetalcast | 13:26 |
| snap-l | ;) | 13:26 |
| Wolfger | I bought my first metal album this past weekend. | 13:26 |
| Wolfger | and I'm wondering... why can't more metal sound as good as Metallica? :-p | 13:27 |
| chouse | Bullet for my Valentine | 13:27 |
| chouse | In Flames | 13:27 |
| chouse | discuss. | 13:27 |
| snap-l | I like Soundtrack for your escape | 13:27 |
| chouse | August Burns Red too | 13:27 |
| snap-l | haven't heard enough BGMV | 13:27 |
| Wolfger | I think it's just that there's too many screech/scream metal bands that I close my ears and run away before I hear anything decent | 13:28 |
| vanberge | BFMV first album "The Poison" is awesome IMO | 13:28 |
| Wolfger | instrumetalcasts are awesome | 13:28 |
| vanberge | they sort of slide downhill with the next 2 | 13:28 |
| vanberge | I pretty much love every In Flames album | 13:29 |
| vanberge | I'm a big Killswitch Engage fan also | 13:29 |
| chouse | snap-l: seems to be a lot of spanish-language metal in this latest one | 13:30 |
| snap-l | Yeah, it varies per episode | 13:31 |
| chouse | i hear craig maloney talking | 13:31 |
| snap-l | That would be me. | 13:31 |
| chouse | amazing | 13:31 |
| chouse | excellent pronunciation | 13:31 |
| chouse | literally no stumbling | 13:31 |
| snap-l | It's like I'm inside your head | 13:31 |
| chouse | you literally are, as i'm wearing headphones | 13:31 |
| snap-l | chouse: Thanks. :) Audacity is great for editing. | 13:32 |
| jrwren | http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-september-6-2011/buddy-roemer?xrs=share_twitter | 13:35 |
| jrwren | shocker! | 13:35 |
| jrwren | snap-l: paul oakenfold bores me too. | 13:36 |
| brousch | too slow | 13:37 |
| chouse | what are you listening to | 13:40 |
| jrwren | day9tv | 13:40 |
| snap-l | Evile | 13:41 |
| chouse | jrwren/rick_h_: haproxy very good | 13:41 |
| chouse | fyi | 13:41 |
| jrwren | but music wise, code64 :) | 13:41 |
| rick_h_ | chouse: good to hear | 13:41 |
| chouse | gg code64 | 13:42 |
| rick_h_ | hmmm, I was saving my one nuke for OH...I think it's time to get coord for NC | 13:53 |
| snap-l | heh | 13:53 |
| devinheitmueller | hey, can anybody suggest an small/simple/easy tree control? I don't need a full blown toolkit or lazy loading. | 13:54 |
| devinheitmueller | It's for a package of HTML documentation, so it's static content and I would prefer to keep the size down if possible. | 13:54 |
| chouse | have to pause code64 now for a mtg. bummer. | 13:56 |
| snap-l | Speaking of meetings: | 13:57 |
| snap-l | http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-michigan/81/detail/ | 13:57 |
| Wolfger | rick_h_: why would you nuke OH? I thought you liked OLF and PyOhio | 13:59 |
| rick_h_ | Wolfger: meh on OLF, pyohio is cool | 14:00 |
| rick_h_ | but a a UM alum, etc I hate OH | 14:00 |
| Wolfger | ah, yes... the old collegiate brainwashing | 14:00 |
| snap-l | OK, who here is present for the meeting? | 14:01 |
| snap-l | http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-michigan/81/detail/ | 14:01 |
| rick_h_ | bwuhahaha https://github.com/qoda/python-wkhtmltopdf/pull/3#issuecomment-2028920 | 14:01 |
| snap-l | First off, I apologize profusely for missing on Sunday | 14:01 |
| rick_h_ | taking over the world | 14:01 |
| rick_h_ | oh, meeting, right | 14:01 |
| rick_h_ | go boss :) | 14:01 |
| snap-l | Boss... heh. | 14:02 |
| snap-l | If anyone wants to run the meetings, please feel free. :) | 14:02 |
| snap-l | Anywho, first item is Global Jam Wrap-up | 14:02 |
| Wolfger | that's all you | 14:02 |
| snap-l | Thanks to everyone who came out to the jam | 14:02 |
| snap-l | If you have a blog post, please feel free to add it to the team report | 14:03 |
| snap-l | Did WestMI do anything for the Jam? | 14:03 |
| snap-l | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MichiganTeam/TeamReports/2011/09 <- Team report | 14:04 |
| brousch | i'm here! | 14:04 |
| snap-l | If there were any other jams in Michigan, we'd love to hear about them | 14:05 |
| brousch | snap-l: we did nothing | 14:05 |
| jjesse | i jamed at my house :) | 14:05 |
| brousch | did you? | 14:05 |
| snap-l | jjesse: Blog about it. :) | 14:05 |
| snap-l | and leave out the nasty bits. ;) | 14:05 |
| jjesse | also took part in the Kubuntu Docs jam that occurred on Sunday as well | 14:05 |
| snap-l | jjesse: If you would write something up on it, and post it, that would be awesome. | 14:06 |
| jjesse | sure i'll try to do something tonight | 14:07 |
| snap-l | I'd like to try to expand the focus of the group so that it's not all SE Michigan with WestMI playing second-fiddle | 14:07 |
| snap-l | jjesse: Thanks. :) | 14:07 |
| snap-l | That reminds me... | 14:07 |
| * snap-l adds an agenda item | 14:07 | |
| brousch | we mostly do release parties | 14:08 |
| snap-l | That's fine | 14:08 |
| brousch | which usually become installfests | 14:08 |
| snap-l | It would be awesome if we could get all of the parts of the state talking to each other. :) | 14:09 |
| snap-l | I'd love to see some activity in northern MI and the UP if we can manage it | 14:09 |
| jjesse | do they even have computers in the UP? | 14:09 |
| snap-l | Seems below the 45th is represented. | 14:09 |
| snap-l | jjesse: That and Snow Cows. | 14:10 |
| brousch | dialup modems and win98 | 14:10 |
| snap-l | Anywho... :) | 14:10 |
| snap-l | Anything else on the jam? | 14:10 |
| snap-l | Thanks again to everyone who jammed | 14:10 |
| snap-l | I think it went pretty well, all thigs considered | 14:11 |
| snap-l | OK, up next: Ohio Linuxfest | 14:11 |
| snap-l | We're sharing a booth with Lococast down at OLF | 14:12 |
| snap-l | which means sharing with Rick and I. ;) | 14:12 |
| snap-l | Who is definitely going down to OLF? | 14:12 |
| snap-l | I think Aaron Thul is going, which is awesome | 14:13 |
| snap-l | I'm hoping we can find some folks to help staff the booth | 14:14 |
| snap-l | Mostly to hand out cards, talk a bit about the group, etc | 14:14 |
| snap-l | I have the business cards made up, and they look awesome. | 14:14 |
| devinheitmueller | snap-l: does James typically lurk here? Or should I just email him? | 14:15 |
| snap-l | devinheitmueller: e-mail or Google Talk | 14:15 |
| devinheitmueller | ok, thanks | 14:15 |
| snap-l | np | 14:15 |
| devinheitmueller | Oh, and I'm having logistical problems with getting to CHC tonight. Trying to work through them now. | 14:15 |
| devinheitmueller | (which may effect getting you there too) | 14:15 |
| snap-l | devinheitmueller: No worries. LMK if it becomes a problem and I can work out a plan B. | 14:16 |
| chouse | CHC? | 14:16 |
| snap-l | Coffee House Coders. | 14:16 |
| chouse | gg | 14:16 |
| snap-l | http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-michigan/events | 14:16 |
| rick_h_ | devinheitmueller snap-l let me know and I can try to provide rides | 14:17 |
| devinheitmueller | ok. | 14:17 |
| jjesse | while not an official ubuntu event we usually talk some ubuntu at the grlug weekly social | 14:17 |
| jjesse | don'tk ow if that counts | 14:17 |
| devinheitmueller | Let me see what James says. He was supposed to get the furniture tonight, so will see if I can get him to drive us. | 14:17 |
| snap-l | jjesse: I'm not opposed to putting that on the calendar. | 14:18 |
| snap-l | If you want to call it Ubuntu Hour, feel free. ;) | 14:18 |
| snap-l | Anyone have any thoughts on OLF? | 14:18 |
| brousch | chouse: the weekly grlug linux social is basically our CHC | 14:19 |
| Wolfger | would love to go to OLF, but can't this year :-( | 14:19 |
| chouse | hear ya brousch | 14:19 |
| snap-l | Wolfger: bummer | 14:20 |
| brousch | jjesse: i have not named the event an ubuntu-michigan event because that will turn off more people than it will bring in ;) | 14:20 |
| snap-l | brousch: Feel free to put it on the calendar, though | 14:20 |
| snap-l | Downriver CHC is on there | 14:20 |
| snap-l | Also, does anyone need a ride to OLF? | 14:21 |
| snap-l | I'm already full up for carpooling, but if you do, send it to the mailing list | 14:21 |
| snap-l | Moving on to the release party | 14:22 |
| Wolfger | party! | 14:23 |
| snap-l | Any thoughts on where the SE Michigan group would like to have the release party? | 14:23 |
| snap-l | Last few have been at Liberty Street, and I'm not opposed to having it there again | 14:23 |
| snap-l | it does tend to get a bit crowded | 14:23 |
| snap-l | Release day is Oct. 13th | 14:23 |
| snap-l | Which is a Thursday | 14:24 |
| snap-l | If it's all the same, I'd prefer a weekend | 14:24 |
| snap-l | (check your calendars) | 14:25 |
| snap-l | Any preferences? | 14:25 |
| Wolfger | someplace not-so-crowded would be nice, but I've never been to Liberty Street, so I have no real input. | 14:26 |
| snap-l | LIberty is a bit small | 14:26 |
| snap-l | and parking can be tricky | 14:26 |
| Wolfger | if it's in/near AA I'd be more likely to attend on a Thursday than on the weekend, but don't schedule around me :-) | 14:27 |
| _stink_ | present | 14:27 |
| Wolfger | long time back we did a FF release party at DragonMead | 14:28 |
| Wolfger | I'd be all up on that | 14:28 |
| Wolfger | again, kind of a small venue | 14:28 |
| snap-l | I was thinking (since it's close to me) about the Royal Oak Brewery | 14:33 |
| snap-l | They do have some space for larger parties | 14:33 |
| snap-l | parking in downtown can be a chore, though | 14:33 |
| snap-l | Anywho, It's coming up, and we should plan for it. :) | 14:34 |
| snap-l | I'll post something to the list, and hopefully get some feedback. | 14:34 |
| snap-l | (hint hint) | 14:34 |
| snap-l | brousch: Is westmi planning an event? | 14:35 |
| brousch | have not started planning yet. usually i collaborate with ptenhoopen__ and we take over his wmlug meeting | 14:35 |
| snap-l | OK, that's cool | 14:35 |
| brousch | but this release date is several weeks earlier, so i'll probably have an independent party | 14:35 |
| snap-l | Any other parties planned? | 14:36 |
| snap-l | If there are, post 'em to the list. :) | 14:36 |
| snap-l | Next up: Loco Portal. | 14:36 |
| snap-l | The loco council is looking to feature the locos in a planet like Planet Ubuntu | 14:37 |
| snap-l | If you blog about the loco, it would be awesome to have your feed there. | 14:37 |
| Wolfger | uh-oh | 14:37 |
| snap-l | They're looking for just loco traffic | 14:37 |
| snap-l | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoPortalFeeds | 14:37 |
| snap-l | I'm wondering if we could start a loco planet as well | 14:38 |
| Wolfger | s/could/should/? | 14:38 |
| snap-l | That too | 14:38 |
| snap-l | would be easier to point folks at and aggregate | 14:38 |
| snap-l | Thoughts? | 14:39 |
| Wolfger | If it's kept loco-centric, it would be either horribly sparse or horribly repetitive (with multiple people blogging about the same thing). | 14:40 |
| snap-l | Wolfger: agreed | 14:40 |
| Wolfger | If it's kept computer-centric (i.e. some CHC posts, Python posts, etc) that might not be too bad | 14:40 |
| brousch | snap-l: i run several planets. it would be easy to set up another. http://planet.grlug.org http://planet.grpug.org http://planet.grwebdev.org | 14:41 |
| snap-l | I'm sure someone will read it, but I'm not planning on subscribing to it in the near future. | 14:41 |
| Wolfger | If it's full feeds of all members blogs, it could be downright scary :-) | 14:41 |
| snap-l | brousch: What all is needed to set that up? | 14:41 |
| brousch | just the planet planet python software and dreamhost | 14:41 |
| snap-l | brousch: Would you be willing to set that up, assuming we can get a domain to point to it? | 14:42 |
| brousch | it requires manual adding and removing feeds | 14:42 |
| brousch | yeah, no problem | 14:42 |
| jjesse | probablly would have to have a certain subject/category to get on the loco planet then? | 14:42 |
| snap-l | cool | 14:42 |
| snap-l | jjesse: Yeah, I made a separate category for Ubuntu-MI | 14:42 |
| snap-l | Also, on an unrelated note, what is michigan.ubuntu-us.org? | 14:43 |
| Wolfger | a subdomain of http://ubuntu-us.org/? | 14:44 |
| snap-l | Noted. :) | 14:44 |
| snap-l | I ran into that via Google, and wondered who or what maintained that. | 14:44 |
| Wolfger | http://ubuntu-us.org/2010/08/18/locos-leaders-and-lessons-learned-michigan-team/ | 14:45 |
| snap-l | Hmm,would someone like to get in contact with them and point that at brousch's proposed planet? | 14:46 |
| snap-l | I think that would be a good location for it | 14:46 |
| brousch | it looks like it's supposed to go the team page | 14:47 |
| snap-l | If folks want, I can try to make contact and get our site pointing to something sane. | 14:48 |
| Wolfger | sounds good | 14:49 |
| snap-l | OK, and lastly, we're up for reapproval | 14:49 |
| snap-l | (what does this mean) | 14:50 |
| snap-l | means we need to show we're still an active and vibrant member of the Ubuntu Community. :) | 14:50 |
| snap-l | Much like our initial approval back in 2007 | 14:50 |
| snap-l | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MichiganTeam/ApprovalApplication | 14:51 |
| snap-l | We'll need to create a 2011 reapporval application | 14:51 |
| snap-l | Our reapproval date is in October, but I'd like to get this out of the way sooner than later. | 14:52 |
| snap-l | Which means 9/20 | 14:52 |
| vanberge | I am curious if anyone has any strong opinions regarding subversion vs. git | 14:52 |
| snap-l | Greg and I have gone through the team reports to come up with things and events we've been a part of | 14:52 |
| devinheitmueller | vanberge: I wouldn't do any new project with svn. | 14:53 |
| snap-l | vanberge: give us 8 minutes, please? :) | 14:53 |
| vanberge | i have used subversion for awhile with wordpress and a wordpress plugin | 14:53 |
| vanberge | but i feel like git is the "new / cool thing" | 14:53 |
| snap-l | I'd like to finish this up before we get into our normal heated discussion about version control :) | 14:54 |
| vanberge | 10.4 | 14:54 |
| brousch | snap-l: there's a template or something for that? | 14:54 |
| snap-l | reapproval: If folks would go through the team reports https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoPortalFeeds | 14:54 |
| snap-l | and make sure we're current, and have everything that we've participated in, that would be super awesome | 14:54 |
| brousch | those are not the team reports | 14:55 |
| snap-l | the re-approval application is essentially the same as the Approval application | 14:55 |
| snap-l | Bah | 14:55 |
| snap-l | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MichiganTeam/TeamReports/ | 14:55 |
| snap-l | Stupid copy/pasta | 14:55 |
| vanberge | amazing | 14:55 |
| Wolfger | lol | 14:55 |
| Wolfger | you mean bs'ing every day in IRC, some of which might actually be Ubuntu-related, isn't sufficient for re-approval? Bah. | 14:56 |
| snap-l | If we can get the application filled out and purdy, we can get ourselves on the loco council's agenda and get reapproved | 14:56 |
| snap-l | Wolfger: I think we're OK for re-approval | 14:56 |
| snap-l | We're pretty active | 14:57 |
| snap-l | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoCouncil/LoCoTeamReApproval | 14:57 |
| snap-l | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoGettingApproved | 14:57 |
| snap-l | Here's an example of a re-approval application: | 14:58 |
| snap-l | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoCouncil/Agenda/20110816 | 14:58 |
| snap-l | I'd like to ask for some help with the application | 14:58 |
| snap-l | It's a Wiki so you don't have to commit now | 14:58 |
| snap-l | but my hope is that I'm not typing the whole damn thing in. ;) | 14:59 |
| snap-l | Anything else? | 14:59 |
| brousch | copy and paste! | 14:59 |
| snap-l | brousch: For the most part. ;) | 14:59 |
| snap-l | Anything else for the meeting? | 15:00 |
| devinheitmueller | snap-l: James is going to pick me up tonight. Do you have an alternate means of transport? | 15:00 |
| Wolfger | I don't think so. We can get to vanberge's version control holy war now ;-) | 15:00 |
| snap-l | devinheitmueller: I can arrange some | 15:01 |
| vanberge | lol. I feel like a total tool for interrupting | 15:01 |
| snap-l | OK, thank you all for coming | 15:01 |
| vanberge | apologies across | 15:01 |
| snap-l | Meeting adjourned. | 15:01 |
| snap-l | vanberge: No worries. :) | 15:01 |
| brousch | yeah! | 15:01 |
| snap-l | git rules, end of story. :) | 15:01 |
| devinheitmueller | snap-l: thanks. Sorry for bailing on you. I didn't know myself it would be an issue until now. | 15:01 |
| snap-l | That's quite alright. | 15:01 |
| _stink_ | yes, use git. | 15:02 |
| snap-l | devinheitmueller: These things happen. | 15:02 |
| brousch | i like hg, but git is more popular | 15:02 |
| devinheitmueller | In most projects I've worked on, the entire git repository (including the history) takes up less space than a checkout of a single svn version. Compression is a nice thing. | 15:02 |
| vanberge | i'll have to check it out. | 15:03 |
| devinheitmueller | I've done quite a bit in hg. That said though, I couldn't find anything I can do in hg that I couldn't do in git, and git is the much more popular option nowadays. | 15:03 |
| vanberge | hopefully wordpress devs push that direction for plugin development | 15:03 |
| snap-l | You can use git-svn so you get the power of git locally with the interoperability with SVN | 15:03 |
| _stink_ | vanberge: i use git-svn a ton at work so i can use git locally and still talk to the main svn server. | 15:04 |
| _stink_ | er, what he said. | 15:04 |
| snap-l | only issue to look out for is empty directories. | 15:04 |
| vanberge | haha | 15:04 |
| snap-l | devinheitmueller: I think I'm covered tonight. JoDee should be home in time so I can get there, and I have a backup plan in case. | 15:05 |
| snap-l | devinheitmueller: So no worries. | 15:05 |
| devinheitmueller | snap-l: great. | 15:05 |
| vanberge | well I have no exp with git whatsoever | 15:05 |
| snap-l | devinheitmueller: Thanks for letting me know. :) | 15:05 |
| vanberge | i dont do "a lot" of development so it's been as needed in Wordpress only | 15:06 |
| snap-l | vanberge: highly recommend Version Control with Git from O'reilly. | 15:06 |
| brousch | vanberge: you do a lot of wordpress? | 15:06 |
| vanberge | i use it to run my website(s) and I have developed a Netflix plugin for it | 15:07 |
| brousch | http://wpgr.org/ | 15:08 |
| vanberge | ooh | 15:08 |
| vanberge | that is a sweet header | 15:08 |
| vanberge | GR skyline | 15:08 |
| Wolfger | :-/ Github has lame password regulations :-/ | 15:10 |
| rick_h_ | greg-g: done https://picasaweb.google.com/deuce868/September72011?authuser=0&authkey=Gv1sRgCLWW4YDNp_2s4gE&feat=directlink | 15:37 |
| brousch | fancy | 15:37 |
| rick_h_ | woot | 15:38 |
| jrwren | rick_h_: that is more off road able than I was thinking. what one is that? | 15:39 |
| rick_h_ | the crosstrail | 15:39 |
| rick_h_ | why I got it, lots of dirt roads around here | 15:39 |
| jrwren | front suspension too | 15:39 |
| rick_h_ | and the trek's aren't as much so | 15:39 |
| rick_h_ | yea, I mean it's not the trek 7.3 I was trying to talk myself into | 15:40 |
| rick_h_ | but $200 less and a bit more gravel/dirt road ready | 15:40 |
| rick_h_ | and franky, you can see my old beast in the 3rd pick | 15:40 |
| rick_h_ | much nicer on road/normal stuff | 15:40 |
| rick_h_ | anythink was going to be an upgrade | 15:40 |
| rick_h_ | /anythink/anything | 15:40 |
| greg-g | rick_h_: awesome! | 15:41 |
| rick_h_ | yea, going to be hard to finish work, I want to go ride | 15:41 |
| rick_h_ | will take it out to the dr later today | 15:41 |
| rick_h_ | as long as the rain doens't pick up too much more | 15:42 |
| rick_h_ | One of Paul’s signature essays is “The Python Paradox” - describing his experience that people doing interesting and innovative things are frequently attracted to Python. | 15:43 |
| rick_h_ | very cool | 15:43 |
| rick_h_ | from http://pycon.blogspot.com/2011/09/announcing-first-pycon-2012-keynote.html | 15:43 |
| jrwren | i think a trek 7.3 is more like a specialized crossroad | 15:48 |
| jrwren | interesting last paragraph of "The python paradox" raises this question: when was the last time a statically typed language was created by someone out of love? | 15:50 |
| jrwren | ocaml? D? | 15:50 |
| jrwren | I think maybe ocaml is academic, not practical like ruby, python, perl | 15:51 |
| snap-l | define creating a language out of love | 15:52 |
| snap-l | "Oh computer, how I love you, but all of the languages out there don't express it as well as I can" | 15:53 |
| Wolfger | LOL | 15:53 |
| jrwren | guido, matz and larry's reasons for creating are all well documented, so I mean any of those reasons. | 15:53 |
| snap-l | spite? :) | 15:54 |
| Wolfger | how about "creating a language without any direct financial incentive to do so"? I think that qualifies as "out of love" | 15:54 |
| rick_h_ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DClD_WnIyD8&annotation_id=annotation_462955&feature=iv | 15:54 |
| rick_h_ | get your awesome on :) | 15:54 |
| snap-l | "I created C++ because, well, I was feeling like being a dick" | 15:55 |
| Wolfger | rofl | 15:55 |
| Wolfger | snap-l: you just made me snort at my desk | 15:55 |
| Wolfger | glad I wasn't drinking, or the guy in front of me would be wearing my coffee | 15:55 |
| Blazeix | 2:56, powers of twoish are always appreciated. | 15:55 |
| Blazeix | holy crap, that guy is using the awesome theme I created! | 15:56 |
| rick_h_ | Blazeix: no way?! | 15:56 |
| rick_h_ | that's pretty cool | 15:57 |
| Blazeix | yep: http://awesome.naquadah.org/wiki/Nice_and_Clean_Theme | 15:57 |
| jrwren | snap-l is too cynical | 15:57 |
| rick_h_ | wow nice | 15:57 |
| rick_h_ | Blazeix: is famous! | 15:57 |
| jrwren | need a fresh and clean theme so I can sing outkast | 15:57 |
| rick_h_ | heh, I get a bike and it's rainy day | 16:28 |
| rick_h_ | should have gotten the fenders before I left | 16:28 |
| Wolfger | oh, suck it up and ride | 16:31 |
| rick_h_ | yea, think I'm going to | 16:31 |
| rick_h_ | why they made jackets | 16:31 |
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| rick_h_ | snap-l: did you see the David allen Triangulation episode? | 17:23 |
| brousch | a user was just irritated with me because he couldn't email a 54MB attachment | 17:57 |
| brousch | he has dropbox and knows how to use it | 17:57 |
| Blazeix | I've seen a pretty neat system that automatically strips out attachments server-side, uploads them to a webserver, and inserts a a link to the file in the email. | 17:59 |
| rick_h_ | yea, those are kind of cool | 17:59 |
| chouse | that does sound awesome | 17:59 |
| rick_h_ | snap-l: "we're a lotus notes shop, because nothing beats it" | 18:00 |
| rick_h_ | that's your hero?! | 18:01 |
| brousch | Blazeix: nice | 18:04 |
| brousch | we use gmail | 18:04 |
| chouse | groupwise yo | 18:12 |
| brousch | does that still exist? | 18:18 |
| chouse | apparently | 18:18 |
| snap-l | rick_h_: Lotus Notes, for all of it's warts, is a pretty good collaborative system | 18:19 |
| snap-l | The interface is complete shit, though | 18:19 |
| snap-l | Mail, calendar, etc all feel tacked on | 18:19 |
| brousch | tacked on to what? | 18:20 |
| snap-l | Lotus Notes | 18:20 |
| snap-l | Everything is all tacked along | 18:21 |
| Wolfger | Heh. Die, Notes, die! | 18:26 |
| Wolfger | we moved off of Notes to use Outlook, and yet everybody keeps sending links to Notes DB's in their e-mails. | 18:27 |
| _stink_ | hah | 18:30 |
| Wolfger | while I'm wishing death on things: Die, offshore help desk, die! | 18:31 |
| waldo323_ | off the coast of lake st clair? | 18:48 |
| vanberge | i add death to blackberries | 19:12 |
| vanberge | hate them with passion | 19:12 |
| _stink_ | yeah, they are kind of tart and stain my shirt. | 19:13 |
| rick_h_ | ok, this makes me want to apply https://dev.launchpad.net/ArchitectureGuide/Services | 20:06 |
| rick_h_ | damn skippy! | 20:06 |
| rick_h_ | though not sure what my wife would say to being away for 2wks | 20:07 |
| _stink_ | mislink? | 20:08 |
| _stink_ | unless i'm confused :P | 20:08 |
| rick_h_ | sorry, that was pointed from https://tbe.taleo.net/NA3/ats/careers/requisition.jsp?org=CANONICAL&cws=1&rid=346 | 20:08 |
| rick_h_ | so kind of a "you might be interested in this position if you believe these things" | 20:09 |
| rick_h_ | ok, bike computer installed | 20:10 |
| _stink_ | ah, coolio | 20:10 |
| rick_h_ | geeky fun on the bike | 20:10 |
| snap-l | rick_h_: But you'd have to run Ubuntu again | 20:15 |
| brousch | rick_h_: isn't launchpad django? | 20:16 |
| rick_h_ | brousch: lmao! | 20:17 |
| rick_h_ | no, zope | 20:17 |
| rick_h_ | I said it was "almost" in my twitter post | 20:17 |
| rick_h_ | running stock ubuntu, dealing with zope, and living the start up life == no apply | 20:18 |
| rick_h_ | but I love that post on the moving to smaller services vs the LP monolith | 20:18 |
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| jrwren | brousch1: tahnks for hte faac tip the other day. i had no idea there was a difference between the aac codec and the libfaac codec in ffmpeg | 23:16 |
| brousch1 | jrwren: i'm glad it worked | 23:37 |
| jrwren | well... i'm not sure yet. | 23:41 |
| brousch1 | i've always used libfaac. it gave the most reliable results in my early Linux video editing attempts | 23:41 |
| jrwren | but i'm hoping. | 23:41 |
| brousch1 | i'm at a freenas demo. i keep biting my tongue because they keep calling it linux | 23:47 |
| jrwren | and its freebsd? | 23:49 |
| brousch1 | some bsd | 23:49 |
| jrwren | yeah, its freebsd. | 23:49 |
| brousch1 | openbsd i think | 23:49 |
| brousch1 | ok | 23:49 |
| jrwren | wiki says fre. | 23:49 |
| jrwren | http://www.freenas.org/ "FreeNAS™ is an Open Source Storage Platform based on FreeBSD and supports sharing across Windows, Apple, and UNIX-like systems." | 23:50 |
| jrwren | its the 1st sentance on the site!!! | 23:50 |
| brousch1 | hehe | 23:50 |
| brousch1 | who RTFWS? | 23:50 |
| brousch1 | got to see some thinkpad running android. pretty nice | 23:52 |
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