[00:49] rick_h_: specialized is NICE. [00:50] i always think specialized is a little nicer than Trek in general. Not for the $$. but AFAIK Specialized doesn't compete in the low end like Trek does in some areas. e.g. mtn bikes in teh $300 range. [01:02] greg-g: i thought you rode a fixie [01:53] Eeeeevening [01:54] night === jjesse_ is now known as jjesse [02:19] damn you snap-l. i listened to two episodes of omc and now have 7 tabs open to jamendo [02:19] Can anyone riddle me why flash isn't working under Oneiric? [02:19] brousch: HEh, awesome. [02:20] hm, someone just posted a problem with flash on debian to the grlug list [02:20] could be something that's going around? [02:20] Yes, it's called I can't watch Doctor Who on this laptio [02:20] and it is making me angry [02:20] 7 jamendos and 1 blood red box [02:24] Also, fuck flash in the neck [02:35] God, my Oneiric machine feels like a slow piece of shit [02:36] well, it's still beta right? [02:36] I wouldn't want to be judged on my software that I deam 'beta' [02:37] s/deam/deem/ [02:37] you could switch to kde :) [02:37] Blazeix: So Ubuntu can never be judged. [02:37] * jjesse ducks [02:37] seriously, it's either beta or unsupported [02:37] or LTS, which means it gets one extra month of support [02:37] snap-l: ? ubuntu has releases? unless I'm misunderstanding [02:38] Yeah, once it's released, it's unsupported. ;) [02:38] try filing a bug against Natty [02:40] Also, Adobe Flash needs to fucking die in a fire [02:40] no argument from me there [02:42] Well, this fucking cuntpickle piece of shit apparently can't find it's ass with both hands [02:42] also, my network is really slow under wireless. [02:42] I mean horrifically slow [02:42] sounds like its time to move away from unity, huh? [02:42] needle needle [02:43] not helping [02:43] :) [02:43] I'm getting really shit transfers [02:43] you could switch to Kubuntu [02:44] jjesse: You could switch to breathing underwater. [02:44] nice [02:44] I never understood that logic. :) [02:45] I have a problem with A. [02:45] Immediately, everyone suggests B-Z as a solution [02:45] when what I really want is for A to work [02:45] Is that too much to ask? [02:45] your problem was "fucking cuntpickle piece of shit apparently can't find it's ass with both hands" [02:45] that's tough to diagnose. [02:46] Whenever I say "fucking cuntpickle piece of shit apparently can't find it's ass with both hands", I mean the Adobe Installer [02:46] that's about as plain as I can make it. [02:48] Finally [02:48] Apparently it jst needed to be reinstalled [02:49] Someone on #ubuntu suggested I use someone's flash PPA [02:49] I shall now watch Doctor Who and get a dose of reality. [02:49] laterness. [02:50] cuntpickle? [02:50] *gasp* offensive [03:05] CoC-slap him [03:46] I'm getting 100KB/s with this wireless card. [03:48] And the USB network connection is getting about 8 times that [11:20] snap-l: https://github.com/shacker/django-todo/wiki/Overview-and-screenshots [11:22] Blazeix: man, reading scollback you're my hero [11:22] http://paste.mitechie.com/show/402/ ftw [12:18] rick_h_: Thanks. It's looks like it handles the todo piece, but not projects or creating other lists. [12:18] rick_h_: I clarified. :) [12:21] Also if anyone was here at 6am for the meeting, I doubly apologize [12:21] snap-l: it looked like it did [12:21] they had a GTD list, and some other lists [12:21] lol [12:23] i woke up at 5 so i could shower beforehand [12:23] the half a pot of coffee will irritate my angina all day [12:24] brousch: I hope you're kidding [12:24] of course [12:26] i get to re-retire my ubuntu 6.06 server today [12:27] That good, eh? [12:27] i shut it down a while ago, but found a couple of things i failed to migrate [12:28] like the mysql database and sync scripts that had been running untouched for 4 years, and files people had edited because our ancient Word actually mapped default folders via UNC name instead of drive letter [12:29] awesome [12:29] brousch: UNC name probably felt really smart a long time ago. :) [12:30] I really, really hate drive-letter mapping [12:30] i've found drive mapping very handy. i can move whole programs to a different server and the clients don't know anything changed [12:31] It's like getting a realy cool computer and realizing it's running CP/M under the hood [12:31] which is important when said program is a foxpro-based crap pile from 2001 [12:32] Yeah,I know it has it's uses, but it would drive me bonkers when people insisted that their P: drive was the same as my P: drive [12:32] +1 [12:32] and explaining why that wasn't the case was infuriating. [12:32] especially when I'm on linux and don't have any P drive [12:32] "I put the files up on the O drive, you can get them there" [12:32] well everyone has the same drives here except their L: points to their own home dir [12:33] grrrr...wtf is that o drive they use? /me boots vm with allt he fancy mappings [12:33] so when they say the O: i know they all mean the drafting share [12:33] come on 10am [12:33] i guess when you're the one that set up the drives it's easier to remember [12:34] lol, and I'm guessing you use them on occassion [12:34] when there's 8 or 9 of them and you never use them but once a month or less...ugh [12:34] right [12:34] a windows computer is always running next to me for fixing user issues [12:34] my linux laptop is my main computer where i make new stuff [12:36] which brings me to my next comment. Flask isn't ready for my big project, so I'm going to have to use Pyramid or Django. i really hope pyramid works out [12:52] snap-l+++++ (re: drive mapping) [12:53] always drove me crazy here at Chrysler... "It's on the P drive" ... I don't have a P drive. How about you give me the actual server share name? [12:53] "the what?" [12:53] aren't you in the IT department? [12:54] friggin' IT managers who don't have a clue about mapping drives [12:59] that sounds like your fault for not knowing what the user's P: maps to. they have no idea - they are just lusers [13:00] no, they're marketing or other types that just want to get shit done [13:00] and their shared directory happened to be mapped to P: just like everyone elses shares mapped to P: [13:01] because when you limit yourself to 26 characters, some of which have magic meanings that reduce that set to ~20 characters, and a company of thousands of departments, it gets a little tricky to map === ch0use is now known as chouse [13:07] chousemusic? [13:07] chousedressing, maybe. [13:08] newp [13:09] i couldn't recall my nickserv password for chouse so i was lurking under ch0use for a bit [13:09] but i have previaled [13:10] also, http://www.mixcloud.com/pauloakenfold/ [13:11] I'm nto sure what it is, but Paul Oakenfold bores me [13:11] snap! [13:11] sheer music throwdown [13:12] what are you down with [13:12] Might have been the CD i was listening to [13:12] chouse: heh... :) [13:12] chouse: http://openmetalcast.com is a sampling. ;) [13:12] i dunno, he posts a new 2 hour mix ever couple of days. fun stuff [13:12] alright alright, i'm down with that too for the most part [13:13] yeah, I pretty much don't like most popular country and most pop music (but I can appreciate the production in pop music) [13:14] I love Jazz (mostly bebop and hard-bop), Classical (symphonic, chamber, instrumental) [13:14] vanberge: please comment re http://openmetalcast.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/open_metalcast_029.mp3 [13:14] snap-l: what are you listening to RIGHT NOW [13:14] My laptop's fan? [13:15] does it change pitch and tone at regular intervals? [13:15] Depending on the load of work, yes. [13:15] chouse: what have you sent me [13:15] but I'm sure not going to record it and play it in some secluded New York Penthouse and expect people to call me brilliant for doing such [13:15] chouse: snap-l is actually the person that creates the openmetalcast podcasts [13:16] so far so good honestly [13:16] Thank you. [13:17] brousch: I'm not help desk, and they aren't "users". They are managers, asking me to retrieve such-and-such red tape document "off of P drive". Like that means anything. [13:17] ...or possibly you were talking to snap-l :-p [13:18] is it lunchtime yet? [13:18] yes [13:18] Wolfger: Somewhere it is [13:18] It's also Miller time somewhere [13:19] digging http://www.jamendo.com/en/track/68461 [13:19] lol [13:20] Yeah, I loved that track [13:20] what an album art [13:20] Some of these are pretty low-budget affairs [13:20] woa, just noticed the album art [13:20] brb minimizing browser/nsfw [13:21] It's blurred [13:21] I'm sure nobody noticed [13:21] hopefully [13:21] i zoomed in quite a bit full screen etc [13:24] I put out a new episode every other Tuesday, with a few special episodes thrown in there for good measure (Club Metal = Industrial, Instrumetalcast = Instrumental metal) [13:24] Speaking of which, I haven't made an instrumetalcast in a long while. [13:25] snap-l: those are my favorite [13:25] Thanks. I'll need to put one together soon. [13:25] snap-l: I'm more than ready for both... [13:26] oh, *and* an instrumetalcast [13:26] ;) [13:26] I bought my first metal album this past weekend. [13:27] and I'm wondering... why can't more metal sound as good as Metallica? :-p [13:27] Bullet for my Valentine [13:27] In Flames [13:27] discuss. [13:27] I like Soundtrack for your escape [13:27] August Burns Red too [13:27] haven't heard enough BGMV [13:28] I think it's just that there's too many screech/scream metal bands that I close my ears and run away before I hear anything decent [13:28] BFMV first album "The Poison" is awesome IMO [13:28] instrumetalcasts are awesome [13:28] they sort of slide downhill with the next 2 [13:29] I pretty much love every In Flames album [13:29] I'm a big Killswitch Engage fan also [13:30] snap-l: seems to be a lot of spanish-language metal in this latest one [13:31] Yeah, it varies per episode [13:31] i hear craig maloney talking [13:31] That would be me. [13:31] amazing [13:31] excellent pronunciation [13:31] literally no stumbling [13:31] It's like I'm inside your head [13:31] you literally are, as i'm wearing headphones [13:32] chouse: Thanks. :) Audacity is great for editing. [13:35] http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-september-6-2011/buddy-roemer?xrs=share_twitter [13:35] shocker! [13:36] snap-l: paul oakenfold bores me too. [13:37] too slow [13:40] what are you listening to [13:40] day9tv [13:41] Evile [13:41] jrwren/rick_h_: haproxy very good [13:41] fyi [13:41] but music wise, code64 :) [13:41] chouse: good to hear [13:42] gg code64 [13:53] hmmm, I was saving my one nuke for OH...I think it's time to get coord for NC [13:53] heh [13:54] hey, can anybody suggest an small/simple/easy tree control? I don't need a full blown toolkit or lazy loading. [13:54] It's for a package of HTML documentation, so it's static content and I would prefer to keep the size down if possible. [13:56] have to pause code64 now for a mtg. bummer. [13:57] Speaking of meetings: [13:57] http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-michigan/81/detail/ [13:59] rick_h_: why would you nuke OH? I thought you liked OLF and PyOhio [14:00] Wolfger: meh on OLF, pyohio is cool [14:00] but a a UM alum, etc I hate OH [14:00] ah, yes... the old collegiate brainwashing [14:01] OK, who here is present for the meeting? [14:01] http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-michigan/81/detail/ [14:01] bwuhahaha https://github.com/qoda/python-wkhtmltopdf/pull/3#issuecomment-2028920 [14:01] First off, I apologize profusely for missing on Sunday [14:01] taking over the world [14:01] oh, meeting, right [14:01] go boss :) [14:02] Boss... heh. [14:02] If anyone wants to run the meetings, please feel free. :) [14:02] Anywho, first item is Global Jam Wrap-up [14:02] that's all you [14:02] Thanks to everyone who came out to the jam [14:03] If you have a blog post, please feel free to add it to the team report [14:03] Did WestMI do anything for the Jam? [14:04] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MichiganTeam/TeamReports/2011/09 <- Team report [14:04] i'm here! [14:05] If there were any other jams in Michigan, we'd love to hear about them [14:05] snap-l: we did nothing [14:05] i jamed at my house :) [14:05] did you? [14:05] jjesse: Blog about it. :) [14:05] and leave out the nasty bits. ;) [14:05] also took part in the Kubuntu Docs jam that occurred on Sunday as well [14:06] jjesse: If you would write something up on it, and post it, that would be awesome. [14:07] sure i'll try to do something tonight [14:07] I'd like to try to expand the focus of the group so that it's not all SE Michigan with WestMI playing second-fiddle [14:07] jjesse: Thanks. :) [14:07] That reminds me... [14:07] * snap-l adds an agenda item [14:08] we mostly do release parties [14:08] That's fine [14:08] which usually become installfests [14:09] It would be awesome if we could get all of the parts of the state talking to each other. :) [14:09] I'd love to see some activity in northern MI and the UP if we can manage it [14:09] do they even have computers in the UP? [14:09] Seems below the 45th is represented. [14:10] jjesse: That and Snow Cows. [14:10] dialup modems and win98 [14:10] Anywho... :) [14:10] Anything else on the jam? [14:10] Thanks again to everyone who jammed [14:11] I think it went pretty well, all thigs considered [14:11] OK, up next: Ohio Linuxfest [14:12] We're sharing a booth with Lococast down at OLF [14:12] which means sharing with Rick and I. ;) [14:12] Who is definitely going down to OLF? [14:13] I think Aaron Thul is going, which is awesome [14:14] I'm hoping we can find some folks to help staff the booth [14:14] Mostly to hand out cards, talk a bit about the group, etc [14:14] I have the business cards made up, and they look awesome. [14:15] snap-l: does James typically lurk here? Or should I just email him? [14:15] devinheitmueller: e-mail or Google Talk [14:15] ok, thanks [14:15] np [14:15] Oh, and I'm having logistical problems with getting to CHC tonight. Trying to work through them now. [14:15] (which may effect getting you there too) [14:16] devinheitmueller: No worries. LMK if it becomes a problem and I can work out a plan B. [14:16] CHC? [14:16] Coffee House Coders. [14:16] gg [14:16] http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-michigan/events [14:17] devinheitmueller snap-l let me know and I can try to provide rides [14:17] ok. [14:17] while not an official ubuntu event we usually talk some ubuntu at the grlug weekly social [14:17] don'tk ow if that counts [14:17] Let me see what James says. He was supposed to get the furniture tonight, so will see if I can get him to drive us. [14:18] jjesse: I'm not opposed to putting that on the calendar. [14:18] If you want to call it Ubuntu Hour, feel free. ;) [14:18] Anyone have any thoughts on OLF? [14:19] chouse: the weekly grlug linux social is basically our CHC [14:19] would love to go to OLF, but can't this year :-( [14:19] hear ya brousch [14:20] Wolfger: bummer [14:20] jjesse: i have not named the event an ubuntu-michigan event because that will turn off more people than it will bring in ;) [14:20] brousch: Feel free to put it on the calendar, though [14:20] Downriver CHC is on there [14:21] Also, does anyone need a ride to OLF? [14:21] I'm already full up for carpooling, but if you do, send it to the mailing list [14:22] Moving on to the release party [14:23] party! [14:23] Any thoughts on where the SE Michigan group would like to have the release party? [14:23] Last few have been at Liberty Street, and I'm not opposed to having it there again [14:23] it does tend to get a bit crowded [14:23] Release day is Oct. 13th [14:24] Which is a Thursday [14:24] If it's all the same, I'd prefer a weekend [14:25] (check your calendars) [14:25] Any preferences? [14:26] someplace not-so-crowded would be nice, but I've never been to Liberty Street, so I have no real input. [14:26] LIberty is a bit small [14:26] and parking can be tricky [14:27] if it's in/near AA I'd be more likely to attend on a Thursday than on the weekend, but don't schedule around me :-) [14:27] <_stink_> present [14:28] long time back we did a FF release party at DragonMead [14:28] I'd be all up on that [14:28] again, kind of a small venue [14:33] I was thinking (since it's close to me) about the Royal Oak Brewery [14:33] They do have some space for larger parties [14:33] parking in downtown can be a chore, though [14:34] Anywho, It's coming up, and we should plan for it. :) [14:34] I'll post something to the list, and hopefully get some feedback. [14:34] (hint hint) [14:35] brousch: Is westmi planning an event? [14:35] have not started planning yet. usually i collaborate with ptenhoopen__ and we take over his wmlug meeting [14:35] OK, that's cool [14:35] but this release date is several weeks earlier, so i'll probably have an independent party [14:36] Any other parties planned? [14:36] If there are, post 'em to the list. :) [14:36] Next up: Loco Portal. [14:37] The loco council is looking to feature the locos in a planet like Planet Ubuntu [14:37] If you blog about the loco, it would be awesome to have your feed there. [14:37] uh-oh [14:37] They're looking for just loco traffic [14:37] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoPortalFeeds [14:38] I'm wondering if we could start a loco planet as well [14:38] s/could/should/? [14:38] That too [14:38] would be easier to point folks at and aggregate [14:39] Thoughts? [14:40] If it's kept loco-centric, it would be either horribly sparse or horribly repetitive (with multiple people blogging about the same thing). [14:40] Wolfger: agreed [14:40] If it's kept computer-centric (i.e. some CHC posts, Python posts, etc) that might not be too bad [14:41] snap-l: i run several planets. it would be easy to set up another. http://planet.grlug.org http://planet.grpug.org http://planet.grwebdev.org [14:41] I'm sure someone will read it, but I'm not planning on subscribing to it in the near future. [14:41] If it's full feeds of all members blogs, it could be downright scary :-) [14:41] brousch: What all is needed to set that up? [14:41] just the planet planet python software and dreamhost [14:42] brousch: Would you be willing to set that up, assuming we can get a domain to point to it? [14:42] it requires manual adding and removing feeds [14:42] yeah, no problem [14:42] probablly would have to have a certain subject/category to get on the loco planet then? [14:42] cool [14:42] jjesse: Yeah, I made a separate category for Ubuntu-MI [14:43] Also, on an unrelated note, what is michigan.ubuntu-us.org? [14:44] a subdomain of http://ubuntu-us.org/? [14:44] Noted. :) [14:44] I ran into that via Google, and wondered who or what maintained that. [14:45] http://ubuntu-us.org/2010/08/18/locos-leaders-and-lessons-learned-michigan-team/ [14:46] Hmm,would someone like to get in contact with them and point that at brousch's proposed planet? [14:46] I think that would be a good location for it [14:47] it looks like it's supposed to go the team page [14:48] If folks want, I can try to make contact and get our site pointing to something sane. [14:49] sounds good [14:49] OK, and lastly, we're up for reapproval [14:50] (what does this mean) [14:50] means we need to show we're still an active and vibrant member of the Ubuntu Community. :) [14:50] Much like our initial approval back in 2007 [14:51] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MichiganTeam/ApprovalApplication [14:51] We'll need to create a 2011 reapporval application [14:52] Our reapproval date is in October, but I'd like to get this out of the way sooner than later. [14:52] Which means 9/20 [14:52] I am curious if anyone has any strong opinions regarding subversion vs. git [14:52] Greg and I have gone through the team reports to come up with things and events we've been a part of [14:53] vanberge: I wouldn't do any new project with svn. [14:53] vanberge: give us 8 minutes, please? :) [14:53] i have used subversion for awhile with wordpress and a wordpress plugin [14:53] but i feel like git is the "new / cool thing" [14:54] I'd like to finish this up before we get into our normal heated discussion about version control :) [14:54] 10.4 [14:54] snap-l: there's a template or something for that? [14:54] reapproval: If folks would go through the team reports https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoPortalFeeds [14:54] and make sure we're current, and have everything that we've participated in, that would be super awesome [14:55] those are not the team reports [14:55] the re-approval application is essentially the same as the Approval application [14:55] Bah [14:55] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MichiganTeam/TeamReports/ [14:55] Stupid copy/pasta [14:55] amazing [14:55] lol [14:56] you mean bs'ing every day in IRC, some of which might actually be Ubuntu-related, isn't sufficient for re-approval? Bah. [14:56] If we can get the application filled out and purdy, we can get ourselves on the loco council's agenda and get reapproved [14:56] Wolfger: I think we're OK for re-approval [14:57] We're pretty active [14:57] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoCouncil/LoCoTeamReApproval [14:57] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoGettingApproved [14:58] Here's an example of a re-approval application: [14:58] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoCouncil/Agenda/20110816 [14:58] I'd like to ask for some help with the application [14:58] It's a Wiki so you don't have to commit now [14:59] but my hope is that I'm not typing the whole damn thing in. ;) [14:59] Anything else? [14:59] copy and paste! [14:59] brousch: For the most part. ;) [15:00] Anything else for the meeting? [15:00] snap-l: James is going to pick me up tonight. Do you have an alternate means of transport? [15:00] I don't think so. We can get to vanberge's version control holy war now ;-) [15:01] devinheitmueller: I can arrange some [15:01] lol. I feel like a total tool for interrupting [15:01] OK, thank you all for coming [15:01] apologies across [15:01] Meeting adjourned. [15:01] vanberge: No worries. :) [15:01] yeah! [15:01] git rules, end of story. :) [15:01] snap-l: thanks. Sorry for bailing on you. I didn't know myself it would be an issue until now. [15:01] That's quite alright. [15:02] <_stink_> yes, use git. [15:02] devinheitmueller: These things happen. [15:02] i like hg, but git is more popular [15:02] In most projects I've worked on, the entire git repository (including the history) takes up less space than a checkout of a single svn version. Compression is a nice thing. [15:03]