[00:49] <jrwren> rick_h_: specialized is NICE.
[00:50] <jrwren> i always think specialized is a little nicer than Trek in general.  Not for the $$. but AFAIK Specialized doesn't compete in the low end like Trek does in some areas.  e.g. mtn bikes in teh $300 range.
[01:02] <brousch> greg-g: i thought you rode a fixie
[01:53] <snap-l> Eeeeevening
[01:54] <jrwren> night
[02:19] <brousch> damn you snap-l. i listened to two episodes of omc and now have 7 tabs open to jamendo
[02:19] <snap-l> Can anyone riddle me why flash isn't working under Oneiric?
[02:19] <snap-l> brousch: HEh, awesome.
[02:20] <brousch> hm, someone just posted a problem with flash on debian to the grlug list
[02:20] <brousch> could be something that's going around?
[02:20] <snap-l> Yes, it's called I can't watch Doctor Who on this laptio
[02:20] <snap-l> and it is making me angry
[02:20] <brousch> 7 jamendos and 1 blood red box
[02:24] <snap-l> Also, fuck flash in the neck
[02:35] <snap-l> God, my Oneiric machine feels like a slow piece of shit
[02:36] <Blazeix> well, it's still beta right?
[02:36] <Blazeix> I wouldn't want to be judged on my software that I deam 'beta'
[02:37] <Blazeix> s/deam/deem/
[02:37] <jjesse> you could switch to kde :)
[02:37] <snap-l> Blazeix: So Ubuntu can never be judged.
[02:37]  * jjesse ducks
[02:37] <snap-l> seriously, it's either beta or unsupported
[02:37] <snap-l> or LTS, which means it gets one extra month of support
[02:37] <Blazeix> snap-l: ? ubuntu has releases? unless I'm misunderstanding
[02:38] <snap-l> Yeah, once it's released, it's unsupported. ;)
[02:38] <snap-l> try filing a bug against Natty
[02:40] <snap-l> Also, Adobe Flash needs to fucking die in a fire
[02:40] <Blazeix> no argument from me there
[02:42] <snap-l> Well, this fucking cuntpickle piece of shit apparently can't find it's ass with both hands
[02:42] <snap-l> also, my network is really slow under wireless.
[02:42] <snap-l> I mean horrifically slow
[02:42] <Blazeix> sounds like its time to move away from unity, huh?
[02:42] <Blazeix> needle needle
[02:43] <snap-l> not helping
[02:43] <Blazeix> :)
[02:43] <snap-l> I'm getting really shit transfers
[02:43] <jjesse> you could switch to Kubuntu
[02:44] <snap-l> jjesse: You could switch to breathing underwater.
[02:44] <jjesse> nice
[02:44] <snap-l> I never understood that logic. :)
[02:45] <snap-l> I have a problem with A.
[02:45] <snap-l> Immediately, everyone suggests B-Z as a solution
[02:45] <snap-l> when what I really want is for A to work
[02:45] <snap-l> Is that too much to ask?
[02:45] <Blazeix> your problem was "fucking cuntpickle piece of shit apparently can't find it's ass with both hands"
[02:45] <Blazeix> that's tough to diagnose.
[02:46] <snap-l> Whenever I say "fucking cuntpickle piece of shit apparently can't find it's ass with both hands", I mean the Adobe Installer
[02:46] <snap-l> that's about as plain as I can make it.
[02:48] <snap-l> Finally
[02:48] <snap-l> Apparently it jst needed to be reinstalled
[02:49] <snap-l> Someone on #ubuntu suggested I use someone's flash PPA
[02:49] <snap-l> I shall now watch Doctor Who and get a dose of reality.
[02:49] <snap-l> laterness.
[02:50] <brousch> cuntpickle?
[02:50] <jrwren> *gasp* offensive
[03:05] <brousch> CoC-slap him
[03:46] <snap-l> I'm getting 100KB/s with this wireless card.
[03:48] <snap-l> And the USB network connection is getting about 8 times that
[11:20] <rick_h_> snap-l: https://github.com/shacker/django-todo/wiki/Overview-and-screenshots
[11:22] <rick_h_> Blazeix: man, reading scollback you're my hero
[11:22] <rick_h_> http://paste.mitechie.com/show/402/ ftw
[12:18] <snap-l> rick_h_: Thanks. It's looks like it handles the todo piece, but not projects or creating other lists.
[12:18] <snap-l> rick_h_: I clarified. :)
[12:21] <snap-l> Also if anyone was here at 6am for the meeting, I doubly apologize
[12:21] <rick_h_> snap-l: it looked like it did
[12:21] <rick_h_> they had a GTD list, and some other lists
[12:21] <rick_h_> lol
[12:23] <brousch> i woke up at 5 so i could shower beforehand
[12:23] <brousch> the half a pot of coffee will irritate my angina all day
[12:24] <snap-l> brousch: I hope you're kidding
[12:24] <brousch> of course
[12:26] <brousch> i get to re-retire my ubuntu 6.06 server today
[12:27] <snap-l> That good, eh?
[12:27] <brousch> i shut it down a while ago, but found a couple of things i failed to migrate
[12:28] <brousch> like the mysql database and sync scripts that had been running untouched for 4 years, and files people had edited because our ancient Word actually mapped default folders via UNC name instead of drive letter
[12:29] <rick_h_> awesome
[12:29] <snap-l> brousch: UNC name probably felt really smart a long time ago. :)
[12:30] <snap-l> I really, really hate drive-letter mapping
[12:30] <brousch> i've found drive mapping very handy. i can move whole programs to a different server and the clients don't know anything changed
[12:31] <snap-l> It's like getting a realy cool computer and realizing it's running CP/M under the hood
[12:31] <brousch> which is important when said program is a foxpro-based crap pile from 2001
[12:32] <snap-l> Yeah,I know it has it's uses, but it would drive me bonkers when people insisted that their P: drive was the same as my P: drive
[12:32] <rick_h_> +1
[12:32] <snap-l> and explaining why that wasn't the case was infuriating.
[12:32] <rick_h_> especially when I'm on linux and don't have any P drive
[12:32] <rick_h_> "I put the files up on the O drive, you can get them there"
[12:32] <brousch> well everyone has the same drives here except their L: points to their own home dir
[12:33] <rick_h_> grrrr...wtf is that o drive they use? /me boots vm with allt he fancy mappings
[12:33] <brousch> so when they say the O: i know they all mean the drafting share
[12:33] <rick_h_> come on 10am
[12:33] <brousch> i guess when you're the one that set up the drives it's easier to remember
[12:34] <rick_h_> lol, and I'm guessing you use them on occassion
[12:34] <rick_h_> when there's 8 or 9 of them and you never use them but once a month or less...ugh
[12:34] <brousch> right
[12:34] <brousch> a windows computer is always running next to me for fixing user issues
[12:34] <brousch> my linux laptop is my main computer where i make new stuff
[12:36] <brousch> which brings me to my next comment. Flask isn't ready for my big project, so I'm going to have to use Pyramid or Django. i really hope pyramid works out
[12:52] <Wolfger> snap-l+++++ (re: drive mapping)
[12:53] <Wolfger> always drove me crazy here at Chrysler... "It's on the P drive" ... I don't have a P drive. How about you give me the actual server share name?
[12:53] <Wolfger> "the what?"
[12:53] <Wolfger> aren't you in the IT department?
[12:54] <Wolfger> friggin' IT managers who don't have a clue about mapping drives
[12:59] <brousch> that sounds like your fault for not knowing what the user's P: maps to. they have no idea - they are just lusers
[13:00] <snap-l> no, they're marketing or other types that just want to get shit done
[13:00] <snap-l> and their shared directory happened to be mapped to P: just like everyone elses shares mapped to P:
[13:01] <snap-l> because when you limit yourself to 26 characters, some of which have magic meanings that reduce that set to ~20 characters, and a company of thousands of departments, it gets a little tricky to map
[13:07] <snap-l> chousemusic?
[13:07] <snap-l> chousedressing, maybe.
[13:08] <chouse> newp
[13:09] <chouse> i couldn't recall my nickserv password for chouse so i was lurking under ch0use for a bit
[13:09] <chouse> but i have previaled
[13:10] <chouse> also, http://www.mixcloud.com/pauloakenfold/
[13:11] <snap-l> I'm nto sure what it is, but Paul Oakenfold bores me
[13:11] <chouse> snap!
[13:11] <chouse> sheer music throwdown
[13:12] <chouse> what are you down with
[13:12] <snap-l> Might have been the CD i was listening to
[13:12] <snap-l> chouse: heh... :)
[13:12] <snap-l> chouse: http://openmetalcast.com is a sampling. ;)
[13:12] <chouse> i dunno, he posts a new 2 hour mix ever couple of days. fun stuff
[13:12] <chouse> alright alright, i'm down with that too for the most part
[13:13] <snap-l> yeah, I pretty much don't like most popular country and most pop music (but I can appreciate the production in pop music)
[13:14] <snap-l> I love Jazz (mostly bebop and hard-bop), Classical (symphonic, chamber, instrumental)
[13:14] <chouse> vanberge: please comment re http://openmetalcast.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/open_metalcast_029.mp3
[13:14] <chouse> snap-l: what are you listening to RIGHT NOW
[13:14] <snap-l> My laptop's fan?
[13:15] <chouse> does it change pitch and tone at regular intervals?
[13:15] <snap-l> Depending on the load of work, yes.
[13:15] <vanberge> chouse: what have you sent me
[13:15] <snap-l> but I'm sure not going to record it and play it in some secluded New York Penthouse and expect people to call me brilliant for doing such
[13:15] <brousch> chouse: snap-l is actually the person that creates the openmetalcast podcasts
[13:16] <chouse> so far so good honestly
[13:16] <snap-l> Thank you.
[13:17] <Wolfger> brousch: I'm not help desk, and they aren't "users". They are managers, asking me to retrieve such-and-such red tape document "off of P drive". Like that means anything.
[13:17] <Wolfger> ...or possibly you were talking to snap-l  :-p
[13:18] <Wolfger> is it lunchtime yet?
[13:18] <jjesse> yes
[13:18] <snap-l> Wolfger: Somewhere it is
[13:18] <snap-l> It's also Miller time somewhere
[13:19] <chouse> digging http://www.jamendo.com/en/track/68461
[13:19] <vanberge> lol
[13:20] <snap-l> Yeah, I loved that track
[13:20] <vanberge> what an album art
[13:20] <snap-l> Some of these are pretty low-budget affairs
[13:20] <chouse> woa, just noticed the album art
[13:20] <chouse> brb minimizing browser/nsfw
[13:21] <snap-l> It's blurred
[13:21] <snap-l> I'm sure nobody noticed
[13:21] <chouse> hopefully
[13:21] <chouse> i zoomed in quite a bit full screen etc
[13:24] <snap-l> I put out a new episode every other Tuesday, with a few special episodes thrown in there for good measure (Club Metal = Industrial, Instrumetalcast = Instrumental metal)
[13:24] <snap-l> Speaking of which, I haven't made an instrumetalcast in a long while.
[13:25] <brousch> snap-l: those are my favorite
[13:25] <snap-l> Thanks. I'll need to put one together soon.
[13:25] <Wolfger> snap-l: I'm more than ready for both...
[13:26] <Wolfger> oh, *and* an instrumetalcast
[13:26] <snap-l> ;)
[13:26] <Wolfger> I bought my first metal album this past weekend.
[13:27] <Wolfger> and I'm wondering... why can't more metal sound as good as Metallica? :-p
[13:27] <chouse> Bullet for my Valentine
[13:27] <chouse> In Flames
[13:27] <chouse> discuss.
[13:27] <snap-l> I like Soundtrack for your escape
[13:27] <chouse> August Burns Red too
[13:27] <snap-l> haven't heard enough BGMV
[13:28] <Wolfger> I think it's just that there's too many screech/scream metal bands that I close my ears and run away before I hear anything decent
[13:28] <vanberge> BFMV first album "The Poison" is awesome IMO
[13:28] <Wolfger> instrumetalcasts are awesome
[13:28] <vanberge> they sort of slide downhill with the next 2
[13:29] <vanberge> I pretty much love every In Flames album
[13:29] <vanberge> I'm a big Killswitch Engage fan also
[13:30] <chouse> snap-l: seems to be a lot of spanish-language metal in this latest one
[13:31] <snap-l> Yeah, it varies per episode
[13:31] <chouse> i hear craig maloney talking
[13:31] <snap-l> That would be me.
[13:31] <chouse> amazing
[13:31] <chouse> excellent pronunciation
[13:31] <chouse> literally no stumbling
[13:31] <snap-l> It's like I'm inside your head
[13:31] <chouse> you literally are, as i'm wearing headphones
[13:32] <snap-l> chouse: Thanks. :) Audacity is great for editing.
[13:35] <jrwren> http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-september-6-2011/buddy-roemer?xrs=share_twitter
[13:35] <jrwren> shocker!
[13:36] <jrwren> snap-l: paul oakenfold bores me too.
[13:37] <brousch> too slow
[13:40] <chouse> what are you listening to
[13:40] <jrwren> day9tv
[13:41] <snap-l> Evile
[13:41] <chouse> jrwren/rick_h_: haproxy very good
[13:41] <chouse> fyi
[13:41] <jrwren> but music wise, code64 :)
[13:41] <rick_h_> chouse: good to hear
[13:42] <chouse> gg code64
[13:53] <rick_h_> hmmm, I was saving my one nuke for OH...I think it's time to get coord for NC
[13:53] <snap-l> heh
[13:54] <devinheitmueller> hey, can anybody suggest an small/simple/easy tree control?  I don't need a full blown toolkit or lazy loading.
[13:54] <devinheitmueller> It's for a package of HTML documentation, so it's static content and I would prefer to keep the size down if possible.
[13:56] <chouse> have to pause code64 now for a mtg. bummer.
[13:57] <snap-l> Speaking of meetings:
[13:57] <snap-l> http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-michigan/81/detail/
[13:59] <Wolfger> rick_h_: why would you nuke OH? I thought you liked OLF and PyOhio
[14:00] <rick_h_> Wolfger: meh on OLF, pyohio is cool
[14:00] <rick_h_> but a a UM alum, etc I hate OH
[14:00] <Wolfger> ah, yes... the old collegiate brainwashing
[14:01] <snap-l> OK, who here is present for the meeting?
[14:01] <snap-l> http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-michigan/81/detail/
[14:01] <rick_h_> bwuhahaha https://github.com/qoda/python-wkhtmltopdf/pull/3#issuecomment-2028920
[14:01] <snap-l> First off, I apologize profusely for missing on Sunday
[14:01] <rick_h_> taking over the world
[14:01] <rick_h_> oh, meeting, right
[14:01] <rick_h_> go boss :)
[14:02] <snap-l> Boss... heh.
[14:02] <snap-l> If anyone wants to run the meetings, please feel free. :)
[14:02] <snap-l> Anywho, first item is Global Jam Wrap-up
[14:02] <Wolfger> that's all you
[14:02] <snap-l> Thanks to everyone who came out to the jam
[14:03] <snap-l> If you have a blog post, please feel free to add it to the team report
[14:03] <snap-l> Did WestMI do anything for the Jam?
[14:04] <snap-l> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MichiganTeam/TeamReports/2011/09 <- Team report
[14:04] <brousch> i'm here!
[14:05] <snap-l> If there were any other jams in Michigan, we'd love to hear about them
[14:05] <brousch> snap-l: we did nothing
[14:05] <jjesse> i jamed at my house :)
[14:05] <brousch> did you?
[14:05] <snap-l> jjesse: Blog about it. :)
[14:05] <snap-l> and leave out the nasty bits. ;)
[14:05] <jjesse> also took part in the Kubuntu Docs jam that occurred on Sunday as well
[14:06] <snap-l> jjesse: If you would write something up on it, and post it, that would be awesome.
[14:07] <jjesse> sure i'll try to do something tonight
[14:07] <snap-l> I'd like to try to expand the focus of the group so that it's not all SE Michigan with WestMI playing second-fiddle
[14:07] <snap-l> jjesse: Thanks. :)
[14:07] <snap-l> That reminds me...
[14:07]  * snap-l adds an agenda item
[14:08] <brousch> we mostly do release parties
[14:08] <snap-l> That's fine
[14:08] <brousch> which usually become installfests
[14:09] <snap-l> It would be awesome if we could get all of the parts of the state talking to each other. :)
[14:09] <snap-l> I'd love to see some activity in northern MI and the UP if we can manage it
[14:09] <jjesse> do they even have computers in the UP?
[14:09] <snap-l> Seems below the 45th is represented.
[14:10] <snap-l> jjesse: That and Snow Cows.
[14:10] <brousch> dialup modems and win98
[14:10] <snap-l> Anywho... :)
[14:10] <snap-l> Anything else on the jam?
[14:10] <snap-l> Thanks again to everyone who jammed
[14:11] <snap-l> I think it went pretty well, all thigs considered
[14:11] <snap-l> OK, up next: Ohio Linuxfest
[14:12] <snap-l> We're sharing a booth with Lococast down at OLF
[14:12] <snap-l> which means sharing with Rick and I. ;)
[14:12] <snap-l> Who is definitely going down to OLF?
[14:13] <snap-l> I think Aaron Thul is going, which is awesome
[14:14] <snap-l> I'm hoping we can find some folks to help staff the booth
[14:14] <snap-l> Mostly to hand out cards, talk a bit about the group, etc
[14:14] <snap-l> I have the business cards made up, and they look awesome.
[14:15] <devinheitmueller> snap-l: does James typically lurk here?  Or should I just email him?
[14:15] <snap-l> devinheitmueller: e-mail or Google Talk
[14:15] <devinheitmueller> ok, thanks
[14:15] <snap-l> np
[14:15] <devinheitmueller> Oh, and I'm having logistical problems with getting to CHC tonight.  Trying to work through them now.
[14:15] <devinheitmueller> (which may effect getting you there too)
[14:16] <snap-l> devinheitmueller: No worries. LMK if it becomes a problem and I can work out a plan B.
[14:16] <chouse> CHC?
[14:16] <snap-l> Coffee House Coders.
[14:16] <chouse> gg
[14:16] <snap-l> http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-michigan/events
[14:17] <rick_h_> devinheitmueller snap-l let me know and I can try to provide rides
[14:17] <devinheitmueller> ok.
[14:17] <jjesse> while not an official ubuntu event we usually talk some ubuntu at the grlug weekly social
[14:17] <jjesse> don'tk ow if that counts
[14:17] <devinheitmueller> Let me see what James says.  He was supposed to get the furniture tonight, so will see if I can get him to drive us.
[14:18] <snap-l> jjesse: I'm not opposed to putting that on the calendar.
[14:18] <snap-l> If you want to call it Ubuntu Hour, feel free. ;)
[14:18] <snap-l> Anyone have any thoughts on OLF?
[14:19] <brousch> chouse: the weekly grlug linux social is basically our CHC
[14:19] <Wolfger> would love to go to OLF, but can't this year :-(
[14:19] <chouse> hear ya brousch
[14:20] <snap-l> Wolfger: bummer
[14:20] <brousch> jjesse: i have not named the event an ubuntu-michigan event because that will turn off more people than it will bring in ;)
[14:20] <snap-l> brousch: Feel free to put it on the calendar, though
[14:20] <snap-l> Downriver CHC is on there
[14:21] <snap-l> Also, does anyone need a ride to OLF?
[14:21] <snap-l> I'm already full up for carpooling, but if you do, send it to the mailing list
[14:22] <snap-l> Moving on to the release party
[14:23] <Wolfger> party!
[14:23] <snap-l> Any thoughts on where the SE Michigan group would like to have the release party?
[14:23] <snap-l> Last few have been at Liberty Street, and I'm not opposed to having it there again
[14:23] <snap-l> it does tend to get a bit crowded
[14:23] <snap-l> Release day is Oct. 13th
[14:24] <snap-l> Which is a Thursday
[14:24] <snap-l> If it's all the same, I'd prefer a weekend
[14:25] <snap-l> (check your calendars)
[14:25] <snap-l> Any preferences?
[14:26] <Wolfger> someplace not-so-crowded would be nice, but I've never been to Liberty Street, so I have no real input.
[14:26] <snap-l> LIberty is a bit small
[14:26] <snap-l> and parking can be tricky
[14:27] <Wolfger> if it's in/near AA I'd be more likely to attend on a Thursday than on the weekend, but don't schedule around me :-)
[14:27] <_stink_> present
[14:28] <Wolfger> long time back we did a FF release party at DragonMead
[14:28] <Wolfger> I'd be all up on that
[14:28] <Wolfger> again, kind of a small venue
[14:33] <snap-l> I was thinking (since it's close to me) about the Royal Oak Brewery
[14:33] <snap-l> They do have some space for larger parties
[14:33] <snap-l> parking in downtown can be a chore, though
[14:34] <snap-l> Anywho, It's coming up, and we should plan for it. :)
[14:34] <snap-l> I'll post something to the list, and hopefully get some feedback.
[14:34] <snap-l> (hint hint)
[14:35] <snap-l> brousch: Is westmi planning an event?
[14:35] <brousch> have not started planning yet. usually i collaborate with ptenhoopen__ and we take over his wmlug meeting
[14:35] <snap-l> OK, that's cool
[14:35] <brousch> but this release date is several weeks earlier, so i'll probably have an independent party
[14:36] <snap-l> Any other parties planned?
[14:36] <snap-l> If there are, post 'em to the list. :)
[14:36] <snap-l> Next up: Loco Portal.
[14:37] <snap-l> The loco council is looking to feature the locos in a planet like Planet Ubuntu
[14:37] <snap-l> If you blog about the loco, it would be awesome to have your feed there.
[14:37] <Wolfger> uh-oh
[14:37] <snap-l> They're looking for just loco traffic
[14:37] <snap-l> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoPortalFeeds
[14:38] <snap-l> I'm wondering if we could start a loco planet as well
[14:38] <Wolfger> s/could/should/?
[14:38] <snap-l> That too
[14:38] <snap-l> would be easier to point folks at and aggregate
[14:39] <snap-l> Thoughts?
[14:40] <Wolfger> If it's kept loco-centric, it would be either horribly sparse or horribly repetitive (with multiple people blogging about the same thing).
[14:40] <snap-l> Wolfger: agreed
[14:40] <Wolfger> If it's kept computer-centric (i.e. some CHC posts, Python posts, etc) that might not be too bad
[14:41] <brousch> snap-l: i run several planets. it would be easy to set up another. http://planet.grlug.org http://planet.grpug.org http://planet.grwebdev.org
[14:41] <snap-l> I'm sure someone will read it, but I'm not planning on subscribing to it in the near future.
[14:41] <Wolfger> If it's full feeds of all members blogs, it could be downright scary :-)
[14:41] <snap-l> brousch: What all is needed to set that up?
[14:41] <brousch> just the planet planet python software and dreamhost
[14:42] <snap-l> brousch: Would you be willing to set that up, assuming we can get a domain to point to it?
[14:42] <brousch> it requires manual adding and removing feeds
[14:42] <brousch> yeah, no problem
[14:42] <jjesse> probablly would have to have a certain subject/category to get on the loco planet then?
[14:42] <snap-l> cool
[14:42] <snap-l> jjesse: Yeah, I made a separate category for Ubuntu-MI
[14:43] <snap-l> Also, on an unrelated note, what is michigan.ubuntu-us.org?
[14:44] <Wolfger> a subdomain of http://ubuntu-us.org/?
[14:44] <snap-l> Noted. :)
[14:44] <snap-l> I ran into that via Google, and wondered who or what maintained that.
[14:45] <Wolfger> http://ubuntu-us.org/2010/08/18/locos-leaders-and-lessons-learned-michigan-team/
[14:46] <snap-l> Hmm,would someone like to get in contact with them and point that at brousch's proposed planet?
[14:46] <snap-l> I think that would be a good location for it
[14:47] <brousch> it looks like it's supposed to go the team page
[14:48] <snap-l> If folks want, I can try to make contact and get our site pointing to something sane.
[14:49] <Wolfger> sounds good
[14:49] <snap-l> OK, and lastly, we're up for reapproval
[14:50] <snap-l> (what does this mean)
[14:50] <snap-l> means we need to show we're still an active and vibrant member of the Ubuntu Community. :)
[14:50] <snap-l> Much like our initial approval back in 2007
[14:51] <snap-l> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MichiganTeam/ApprovalApplication
[14:51] <snap-l> We'll need to create a 2011 reapporval application
[14:52] <snap-l> Our reapproval date is in October, but I'd like to get this out of the way sooner than later.
[14:52] <snap-l> Which means 9/20
[14:52] <vanberge> I am curious if anyone has any strong opinions regarding subversion vs. git
[14:52] <snap-l> Greg and I have gone through the team reports to come up with things and events we've been a part of
[14:53] <devinheitmueller> vanberge: I wouldn't do any new project with svn.
[14:53] <snap-l> vanberge: give us 8 minutes, please? :)
[14:53] <vanberge> i have used subversion for awhile with wordpress and a wordpress plugin
[14:53] <vanberge> but i feel like git is the "new / cool thing"
[14:54] <snap-l> I'd like to finish this up before we get into our normal heated discussion about version control :)
[14:54] <vanberge> 10.4
[14:54] <brousch> snap-l: there's a template or something for that?
[14:54] <snap-l> reapproval: If folks would go through the team reports https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoPortalFeeds
[14:54] <snap-l> and make sure we're current, and have everything that we've participated in, that would be super awesome
[14:55] <brousch> those are not the team reports
[14:55] <snap-l> the re-approval application is essentially the same as the Approval application
[14:55] <snap-l> Bah
[14:55] <snap-l> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MichiganTeam/TeamReports/
[14:55] <snap-l> Stupid copy/pasta
[14:55] <vanberge> amazing
[14:55] <Wolfger> lol
[14:56] <Wolfger> you mean bs'ing every day in IRC, some of which might actually be Ubuntu-related, isn't sufficient for re-approval? Bah.
[14:56] <snap-l> If we can get the application filled out and purdy, we can get ourselves on the loco council's agenda and get reapproved
[14:56] <snap-l> Wolfger: I think we're OK for re-approval
[14:57] <snap-l> We're pretty active
[14:57] <snap-l> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoCouncil/LoCoTeamReApproval
[14:57] <snap-l> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoGettingApproved
[14:58] <snap-l> Here's an example of a re-approval application:
[14:58] <snap-l> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoCouncil/Agenda/20110816
[14:58] <snap-l> I'd like to ask for some help with the application
[14:58] <snap-l> It's a Wiki so you don't have to commit now
[14:59] <snap-l> but my hope is that I'm not typing the whole damn thing in. ;)
[14:59] <snap-l> Anything else?
[14:59] <brousch> copy and paste!
[14:59] <snap-l> brousch: For the most part. ;)
[15:00] <snap-l> Anything else for the meeting?
[15:00] <devinheitmueller> snap-l: James is going to pick me up tonight.  Do you have an alternate means of transport?
[15:00] <Wolfger> I don't think so. We can get to vanberge's version control holy war now ;-)
[15:01] <snap-l> devinheitmueller: I can arrange some
[15:01] <vanberge> lol.  I feel like a total tool for interrupting
[15:01] <snap-l> OK, thank you all for coming
[15:01] <vanberge> apologies across
[15:01] <snap-l> Meeting adjourned.
[15:01] <snap-l> vanberge: No worries. :)
[15:01] <brousch> yeah!
[15:01] <snap-l> git rules, end of story. :)
[15:01] <devinheitmueller> snap-l: thanks.  Sorry for bailing on you.  I didn't know myself it would be an issue until now.
[15:01] <snap-l> That's quite alright.
[15:02] <_stink_> yes, use git.
[15:02] <snap-l> devinheitmueller: These things happen.
[15:02] <brousch> i like hg, but git is more popular
[15:02] <devinheitmueller> In most projects I've worked on, the entire git repository (including the history) takes up less space than a checkout of a single svn version.  Compression is a nice thing.
[15:03] <vanberge> i'll have to check it out.
[15:03] <devinheitmueller> I've done quite a bit in hg.  That said though, I couldn't find anything I can do in hg that I couldn't do in git, and git is the much more popular option nowadays.
[15:03] <vanberge> hopefully wordpress devs push that direction for plugin development
[15:03] <snap-l> You can use git-svn so you get the power of git locally with the interoperability with SVN
[15:04] <_stink_> vanberge: i use git-svn a ton at work so i can use git locally and still talk to the main svn server.
[15:04] <_stink_> er, what he said.
[15:04] <snap-l> only issue to look out for is empty directories.
[15:04] <vanberge> haha
[15:05] <snap-l> devinheitmueller: I think I'm covered tonight. JoDee should be home in time so I can get there, and I have a backup plan in case.
[15:05] <snap-l> devinheitmueller: So no worries.
[15:05] <devinheitmueller> snap-l: great.
[15:05] <vanberge> well I have no exp with git whatsoever
[15:05] <snap-l> devinheitmueller: Thanks for letting me know. :)
[15:06] <vanberge> i dont do "a lot" of development so it's been as needed in Wordpress only
[15:06] <snap-l> vanberge: highly recommend Version Control with Git from O'reilly.
[15:06] <brousch> vanberge: you do a lot of wordpress?
[15:07] <vanberge> i use it to run my website(s) and I have developed a Netflix plugin for it
[15:08] <brousch> http://wpgr.org/
[15:08] <vanberge> ooh
[15:08] <vanberge> that is a sweet header
[15:08] <vanberge> GR skyline
[15:10] <Wolfger> :-/  Github has lame password regulations :-/
[15:37] <rick_h_> greg-g: done https://picasaweb.google.com/deuce868/September72011?authuser=0&authkey=Gv1sRgCLWW4YDNp_2s4gE&feat=directlink
[15:37] <brousch> fancy
[15:38] <rick_h_> woot
[15:39] <jrwren> rick_h_: that is more off road able than I was thinking. what one is that?
[15:39] <rick_h_> the crosstrail
[15:39] <rick_h_> why I got it, lots of dirt roads around here
[15:39] <jrwren> front suspension too
[15:39] <rick_h_> and the trek's aren't as much so
[15:40] <rick_h_> yea, I mean it's not the trek 7.3 I was trying to talk myself into
[15:40] <rick_h_> but $200 less and a bit more gravel/dirt road ready
[15:40] <rick_h_> and franky, you can see my old beast in the 3rd pick
[15:40] <rick_h_> much nicer on road/normal stuff
[15:40] <rick_h_> anythink was going to be an upgrade
[15:40] <rick_h_> /anythink/anything
[15:41] <greg-g> rick_h_: awesome!
[15:41] <rick_h_> yea, going to be hard to finish work, I want to go ride
[15:41] <rick_h_> will take it out to the dr later today
[15:42] <rick_h_> as long as the rain doens't pick up too much more
[15:43] <rick_h_> One of Paul’s signature essays is “The Python Paradox” - describing his experience that people doing interesting and innovative things are frequently attracted to Python.
[15:43] <rick_h_> very cool
[15:43] <rick_h_> from http://pycon.blogspot.com/2011/09/announcing-first-pycon-2012-keynote.html
[15:48] <jrwren> i think a trek 7.3 is more like a specialized crossroad
[15:50] <jrwren> interesting last paragraph of "The python paradox" raises this question: when was the last time a statically typed language was created by someone out of love?
[15:50] <jrwren> ocaml? D?
[15:51] <jrwren> I think maybe ocaml is academic, not practical like ruby, python, perl
[15:52] <snap-l> define creating a language out of love
[15:53] <snap-l> "Oh computer, how I love you, but all of the languages out there don't express it as well as I can"
[15:53] <Wolfger> LOL
[15:53] <jrwren> guido, matz and larry's reasons for creating are all well documented, so I mean any of those reasons.
[15:54] <snap-l> spite? :)
[15:54] <Wolfger> how about "creating a language without any direct financial incentive to do so"? I think that qualifies as "out of love"
[15:54] <rick_h_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DClD_WnIyD8&annotation_id=annotation_462955&feature=iv
[15:54] <rick_h_> get your awesome on :)
[15:55] <snap-l> "I created C++ because, well, I was feeling like being a dick"
[15:55] <Wolfger> rofl
[15:55] <Wolfger> snap-l: you just made me snort at my desk
[15:55] <Wolfger> glad I wasn't drinking, or the guy in front of me would be wearing my coffee
[15:55] <Blazeix> 2:56, powers of twoish are always appreciated.
[15:56] <Blazeix> holy crap, that guy is using the awesome theme I created!
[15:56] <rick_h_> Blazeix: no way?!
[15:57] <rick_h_> that's pretty cool
[15:57] <Blazeix> yep: http://awesome.naquadah.org/wiki/Nice_and_Clean_Theme
[15:57] <jrwren> snap-l is too cynical
[15:57] <rick_h_> wow nice
[15:57] <rick_h_> Blazeix: is famous!
[15:57] <jrwren> need a fresh and clean theme so I can sing outkast
[16:28] <rick_h_> heh, I get a bike and it's rainy day
[16:28] <rick_h_> should have gotten the fenders before I left
[16:31] <Wolfger> oh, suck it up and ride
[16:31] <rick_h_> yea, think I'm going to
[16:31] <rick_h_> why they made jackets
[17:23] <rick_h_> snap-l: did you see the David allen Triangulation episode?
[17:57] <brousch> a user was just irritated with me because he couldn't email a 54MB attachment
[17:57] <brousch> he has dropbox and knows how to use it
[17:59] <Blazeix> I've seen a pretty neat system that automatically strips out attachments server-side, uploads them to a webserver, and inserts a a link to the file in the email.
[17:59] <rick_h_> yea, those are kind of cool
[17:59] <chouse> that does sound awesome
[18:00] <rick_h_> snap-l: "we're a lotus notes shop, because nothing beats it"
[18:01] <rick_h_> that's your hero?!
[18:04] <brousch> Blazeix: nice
[18:04] <brousch> we use gmail
[18:12] <chouse> groupwise yo
[18:18] <brousch> does that still exist?
[18:18] <chouse> apparently
[18:19] <snap-l> rick_h_: Lotus Notes, for all of it's warts, is a pretty good collaborative system
[18:19] <snap-l> The interface is complete shit, though
[18:19] <snap-l> Mail, calendar, etc all feel tacked on
[18:20] <brousch> tacked on to what?
[18:20] <snap-l> Lotus Notes
[18:21] <snap-l> Everything is all tacked along
[18:26] <Wolfger> Heh. Die, Notes, die!
[18:27] <Wolfger> we moved off of Notes to use Outlook, and yet everybody keeps sending links to Notes DB's in their e-mails.
[18:30] <_stink_> hah
[18:31] <Wolfger> while I'm wishing death on things: Die, offshore help desk, die!
[18:48] <waldo323_> off the coast of lake st clair?
[19:12] <vanberge> i add death to blackberries
[19:12] <vanberge> hate them with passion
[19:13] <_stink_> yeah, they are kind of tart and stain my shirt.
[20:06] <rick_h_> ok, this makes me want to apply https://dev.launchpad.net/ArchitectureGuide/Services
[20:06] <rick_h_> damn skippy!
[20:07] <rick_h_> though not sure what my wife would say to being away for 2wks
[20:08] <_stink_> mislink?
[20:08] <_stink_> unless i'm confused :P
[20:08] <rick_h_> sorry, that was pointed from https://tbe.taleo.net/NA3/ats/careers/requisition.jsp?org=CANONICAL&cws=1&rid=346
[20:09] <rick_h_> so kind of a "you might be interested in this position if you believe these things"
[20:10] <rick_h_> ok, bike computer installed
[20:10] <_stink_> ah, coolio
[20:10] <rick_h_> geeky fun on the bike
[20:15] <snap-l> rick_h_: But you'd have to run Ubuntu again
[20:16] <brousch> rick_h_: isn't launchpad django?
[20:17] <rick_h_> brousch: lmao!
[20:17] <rick_h_> no, zope
[20:17] <rick_h_> I said it was "almost" in my twitter post
[20:18] <rick_h_> running stock ubuntu, dealing with zope, and living the start up life == no apply
[20:18] <rick_h_> but I love that post on the moving to smaller services vs the LP monolith
[23:16] <jrwren> brousch1: tahnks for hte faac tip the other day. i had no idea there was a difference between the aac codec and the libfaac codec in ffmpeg
[23:37] <brousch1> jrwren: i'm glad it worked
[23:41] <jrwren> well... i'm not sure yet.
[23:41] <brousch1> i've always used libfaac. it gave the most reliable results in my early Linux video editing attempts
[23:41] <jrwren> but i'm hoping.
[23:47] <brousch1> i'm at a freenas demo. i keep biting my tongue because they keep calling it linux
[23:49] <jrwren> and its freebsd?
[23:49] <brousch1> some bsd
[23:49] <jrwren> yeah, its freebsd.
[23:49] <brousch1> openbsd i think
[23:49] <brousch1> ok
[23:49] <jrwren> wiki says fre.
[23:50] <jrwren> http://www.freenas.org/ "FreeNAS™ is an Open Source Storage Platform based on FreeBSD and supports sharing across Windows, Apple, and UNIX-like systems."
[23:50] <jrwren> its the 1st sentance on the site!!!
[23:50] <brousch1> hehe
[23:50] <brousch1> who RTFWS?
[23:52] <brousch1> got to see some thinkpad running android. pretty nice