[00:00] <Unit193> Anywho, any type of test you want donw?
[00:00] <charlie-tca> See if anything works today?
[00:01] <charlie-tca> We may have broken all the images again
[00:33] <GridCube> hey charlie-tca can i propose this package of games sgt-puzzles to be included on the lts release of xubuntu?
[00:33] <charlie-tca> sure
[00:34] <GridCube> they are like 20 simple games http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/puzzles/
[00:34] <charlie-tca> Is it in the repositories alreadhj?
[00:34] <GridCube> !info sgt-puzzles 
[00:34] <charlie-tca> s/alreadhj/already
[00:34] <micahg> GridCube: that's a bug package
[00:34] <micahg> *big
[00:34] <GridCube> :D but is A LOT of games
[00:34] <micahg> we do have the room though
[00:34] <charlie-tca> We won't have room for it
[00:35] <micahg> oh, right, maybe not for the LTS...
[00:35] <GridCube> oh
[00:35] <GridCube> :(
[00:35] <GridCube> well it was worht the shot :P
[00:35] <GridCube> (now my games menu is so big it overflows)
[00:35] <charlie-tca> Depends on what Xfce does yet
[00:36] <GridCube> (i wish i could subfolderize it)
[00:36] <micahg> well, we won't be upgrading Xfce for the LTS, only stuff w/in the 4.8 release
[00:36] <charlie-tca> Xfce 4.10 get moved?
[00:36]  * charlie-tca thinks was january
[00:37] <micahg> oh, right :)
[00:37]  * micahg is confusing switch to GTK3 for upgrading
[00:37] <charlie-tca> and 4.10 adds accessibility, so it will grow
[00:37] <micahg> charlie-tca: still, we won't be updating until we're sure that 4.10 is being released
[00:37] <charlie-tca> Right, that's what we wait for
[00:38] <charlie-tca> although, as a three year support Xubuntu, it might have to be pushed
[00:38] <GridCube> but, i don't understand, you will put new never tested before software on an lts version?
[00:39] <charlie-tca> no, we hope it makes it to beta testing
[00:39] <micahg> of course, that's why it's long term support :P
[00:39] <micahg> j/k
[00:39] <charlie-tca> Xfce testers are already testing 4.10
[00:39] <micahg> GridCube: release is planned for January, if they release on time, we'll have it in by feature freeze for sure
[00:40] <GridCube> i see
[00:40] <GridCube> well i hope xfce people wont go and do silly things like last time
[00:40]  * GridCube is not really fond to changes
[00:40] <charlie-tca> huh?
[00:40] <charlie-tca> 4.8 was a smooth release
[00:41] <GridCube> i guess, i was shocked on my first encounter whit it
[00:41] <charlie-tca> 4.6 was a rough one, though
[00:41] <GridCube> but then again, things have to change
[00:41] <charlie-tca> I guess I am showing my age again... ;)
[00:41] <GridCube> :P
[00:42] <charlie-tca> 4.4 is a blur for me
[00:42] <micahg> 4.4 takes us back to intrepid
[00:42] <micahg> err, that was the last release w/4.4
[00:42] <charlie-tca> right
[00:42] <charlie-tca> I started around hardy
[00:44] <micahg> Feisty saw 4.4 final
[00:44]  * micahg thinks he switched to xubuntu around hardy
[00:45]  * GridCube doesnt know releases by name
[00:45] <charlie-tca> Really?
[00:46] <charlie-tca> feisty ? I installed 6.06 and waited until 8.04 to upgrade
[00:46] <charlie-tca> but I think I tested 7.10, final only
[00:46] <charlie-tca> or maybe I tested both the rc and final images
[00:47] <charlie-tca> 6.10 is the image Xubuntu skipped
[00:47] <charlie-tca> and 7.04 was still a bit edgy ;)
[00:48] <charlie-tca> or would that be "a bit feisty"?
[00:49] <micahg> yeah, that would be a bit feisty :)
[00:49] <Unit193> I have a Ubuntu Edgy Eft cd up stairs
[00:51] <charlie-tca> I have all the images back to 5.10. I even have the magazine cd for Ubuntu 5.10
[00:51] <charlie-tca> But the first Xubuntu was 6.06
[00:51] <Unit193> Kinda sad that I don't have any shipit CDs :/
[00:52] <charlie-tca> I never requested any from shipit
[00:52] <charlie-tca> I downloaded them all, even 5.04
[00:53] <charlie-tca> Hard to forget that 5 day download
[00:55] <Unit193> Going to miss my first OLF :(
[01:31] <charlie-tca> Good night, all. See you tomorrow
[14:45] <charlie-tca> Good morning
[14:46] <astraljava> Hi there charlie-tca
[20:01] <Pjotr> Hello, I have some remarks about the Dutch translations in Xubuntu 11.10 beta 1
[20:02] <Pjotr> It seems that only the Dutch translations at https://translations.xfce.org/projects/p/xfce/r/xfce-4-8/l/nl/ were implemented
[20:02] <Pjotr> but there are also new Dutch translations of other Xfce components:
[20:03] <Pjotr> the apps: https://translations.xfce.org/projects/p/apps/r/master/l/nl/
[20:03] <Pjotr> the thunar-plugins: https://translations.xfce.org/projects/p/thunar-plugins/r/master/l/nl/
[20:04] <Pjotr> the panel plugins: https://translations.xfce.org/projects/p/panel-plugins/r/master/l/nl/
[20:06] <micahg> Pjotr: for those we took whatever Debian had
[20:07] <Pjotr> That's a pity, because those appear to be incomplete.... I have spent a lot of time upstream at Xfce to complete and improve the Dutch translations...
[20:08] <Pjotr> I had them all finished in June
[20:09] <Pjotr> Would you consider switching to the upstream Xfce translations?
[20:09] <micahg> Pjotr: well, we use the upstream translations, they're just out of date
[20:10] <micahg> I'm checking into it now
[20:11] <Pjotr> Thanks in advance. :-)
[20:13] <micahg> it would be nice if we can get Debian to include them, a diff will make everything  harder next cycle
[20:15] <mr_pouit> it's a matter of upstream doing new releases that includes updated translations :|
[20:17] <micahg> mr_pouit: ah, is that it?  ok, I guess I shouldn't tell corsac to ignore my question then
[20:17] <micahg> s/shouldn't/should
[20:20] <mr_pouit> It's possible to include patches in all packages for updated translations (or do a make distcheck from upstream xfce-4.8 git branches), but a lot of work =/
[20:21] <mr_pouit> that's why I prefer to wait for new upstream releases for that, usually
[20:22] <Pjotr> micahg: I would appreciate it very much, if you would try to persuade Debian to include the new translations then....
[20:23] <micahg> Pjotr: well, according to mr_pouit, there's not much we or Debian can do w/out a lot of work
[20:23]  * micahg didn't realize they were generally rolled into the new releases
[20:24] <Pjotr> So Xubuntu 11.10 won't be adequately translated into Dutch, I fear
[20:25] <Pjotr> Would 12.04 be a more realistic goal, then?
[20:27] <mr_pouit> xfce core has (almost) regular bugfix releases, and I think with transifex you can put your translations to the xfce-4.8 branch
[20:27] <mr_pouit> so it should be ok
[20:28] <mr_pouit> for panel plugins & goodies, it's less obvious though...
[20:29] <mr_pouit> (seldom new releases, because of either missing maintainers, or they consider them already feature stable/complete)
[20:36] <mr_pouit> maybe the solution to make translators happy is to use rosetta and language packs (like ubuntu), but then there's the risk that some people will work on lp only and their changes will never reach upstream (when xubuntu was moved to main a few years ago I had to compare what was in rosetta and upstream to forward the changes :( ... )
[20:40] <micahg> mr_pouit: we could use the langpacks if we wanted to (there's a d/control field now to enable it for universe packages)
[20:43] <Olbi> jakoś tak, Adam mi dał namiary :]
[20:44] <Olbi> not here ;P
[21:06] <Pjotr> If the current situation would continue, then new translations for panel plugins and goodies would never reach Xubuntu then. For all languages. That seems unsatisfactory...