[00:18] <gnomie> updated and reloaded. no errors  :o
[00:18] <gnomie> unity2d
[00:19] <gnomie> gnome-control-center didnt bug out this time
[01:03] <test34> ubuntu erased one of my partition when I rebooted.. I had the encrypted swap and one of my drive switch from /dev/sda to /dev/sdb and it started to use a data partition as a swap partition even if the partition type was not swap...
[01:03] <IdleOne> zetec452: welcome. I say some support because well you may or may not get some in here :)
[01:03] <zetec452> That's cool. :)
[01:04] <zetec452> Suprised Ubuntu would erase a parition test34
[01:04] <ikonia> test34: sorry, that's not possible, something different would have happened
[01:04] <ikonia> test34: it was most likley a user error at the time of install
[01:04] <wsbl-uhpd651> So really - how solid is the alpha version of 11.10?  What bugs are still being worked out with it, if any?
[01:04] <zetec452> Generally a system will warn you of any partion changes. Perhaps it could be a bug whereby it didn't recognise the partition.
[01:04] <castlefox> hi
[01:05] <castlefox>  I am planning on buying a new computer soon and I want to run a VM.  I plan on using Virtual box to play with VMs.   Would a computer with more more CPUs or should I just look for one fastest interms of mhz ?
[01:05] <ikonia> wsbl-uhpd651: it all depends on your needs, if you want stable, wait for release.
[01:05] <wsbl-uhpd651> ikonia: That's kind of what I thought.  True dat :)
[01:05] <BrandonBolton> test34: 11.10 erased one of my partitions also.
[01:05] <ikonia> castlefox: it really doesn't matter
[01:05] <ikonia> sorry, I don't buy that,
[01:05] <test34> ikonia, the encrypted swap fstab uses the partition name (ie /dev/sda4) and not the UUID
[01:05] <ikonia> test34: so ?
[01:06] <zetec452> castlefox: I'd go for memory over CPU.
[01:06] <castlefox> ikonia: ohhh mmk
[01:06] <test34> ikonia, so my encrypted swap used to be /dev/sdb4... but when I rebooted /dev/sdb4 was now my backup partition... and got erased
[01:06] <castlefox> zetec452:  RAM or are you taking about the cash memory on the cpu ?
[01:06] <ikonia> test34: "and got erased", no sorry
[01:07] <zetec452> castlefox: RAM, generally whenever I'm running VM's RAM and HDD are the bottleneck not CPU
[01:07] <test34> ikonia, try to use a data partition as your swap... it will get erased
[01:07] <ikonia> test34: you're not meant to do that
[01:07] <BrandonBolton> castlefox: My desktop has 8 gbs of RAM and a Pentium Dual Core processor. It runs great with virtual machines. You don't need much, but, the more RAM the better.
[01:07] <castlefox> zetec452: oh ok.  Thanks for the tip !
[01:07] <test34> ikonia, I didnt mean to do that, it did it by itself
[01:07] <ikonia> test34: of course it will get erased or "formatteded" as swap, you've told it to use that partition as swap
[01:07] <ikonia> test34: no, I don't believe that,
[01:08] <BrandonBolton> Hello all, are the rumors true that in 11.10 the Classic theme will be removed?
[01:08] <test34> ikonia, I forgot the name of the swap encrytiom fstab file.... what is it again
[01:09] <test34> encryption
[01:09] <zetec452> BrandonBolton: IIRC yes classic will be removed.
[01:09] <yourmom> BrandonBolton: i'll be getting lots of RAM in that case.  Thx
[01:09] <ikonia> what ?
[01:10] <BrandonBolton> zetec452: That was one of my favourite parts of Ubuntu. I loved the layout. It worked so well on my netbook, too. And my desktop for that matter of fact. Will you be able to install it?
[01:10] <test34> ikonia, /etc/crypttab
[01:10] <test34> ikonia, that is the file that should be using UUID
[01:10] <ikonia> test34: and ?
[01:11] <BrandonBolton> yourmom: Just buy a cheap computer and buy compatible RAM on like NewEgg.com. That is the cheapest bet.
[01:11] <zetec452> BrandonBolton: Not sure I'm afraid.
[01:11] <test34> ikonia, if you dont know the use of UUID I'm talking to the wrong person
[01:11] <ikonia> test34: I fully understand them
[01:11] <BrandonBolton> zetec452: Well when the time comes I will figure it out. :)
[01:12] <test34> ikonia, so you understand why I lost data then
[01:12] <ikonia> test34: not at all, no
[01:12] <ikonia> test34: your telling me that your install changed randomly decided to use a non-swap partition as a swap partition, and you've lost data, that doesn't sit as possible to me
[01:12] <test34> it mounted the wrong partition as my swap because one of my drived switched from /dev/sda to /dev/sdb
[01:13] <ikonia> sorry, I don't believe that as it can't mount swap
[01:13] <test34> I mean swapon
[01:13] <ikonia> and if you try to swapon a non-swap partition, it will refuse
[01:13] <ikonia> so it must have been formated as a swap partition during the install
[01:13] <test34> well there must be a bug with encrypted partitions
[01:13] <ikonia> or user error
[01:14] <test34> it was not set as a swap partition even after I lost my data
[01:14] <ikonia> then you can't have lost your data
[01:14] <ikonia> or something else will have caused the problem
[01:14] <ikonia> (that's just my opinion)
[01:15] <test34> while it was an ext2 partition, I wasnt able to mount it to a directory (busy error)... even though it wasnt showing in "df" as mounted
[01:16] <ikonia> it was probably already mounted, hence "busy"
[01:16] <ikonia> or you where in the directory you where trying to mount it to
[01:16] <test34> this is not a dev version of ubuntu but #ubuntu are not answering
[01:16] <ikonia> what !
[01:16] <zetec452> It would be interesting if you could replicate this
[01:16] <ikonia> so you're wasting my time
[01:16] <test34> it was not mounted
[01:16] <yourmom> brandonbolton: ya I've been waiting to see if the new  stuff from AMD this month will be any good.
[01:16] <zetec452> even on a vm.
[01:17] <ikonia> zetec452: you saw IdleOne tell you it was #ubuntu+1 for 11.10
[01:17] <zetec452> ya?
[01:17] <ikonia> and you where in #ubuntu, so you've just taken this channel offtopic by talking about not 11.10
[01:18] <test34> I'm pretty sure this bug still exist in #ubuntu.dev if you are not aware of it
[01:18] <ikonia> stop making things up
[01:18] <zetec452> Not sure I follow. I was in #ubuntu and started 11.10 talk and was directed here. What's the problem?
[01:19] <ikonia> zetec452: you've just said this is not the development version of ubuntu eg: not 11.10
[01:19] <test34> does Ubuntu beta use UUID for /etc/crypttab
[01:19] <zetec452> where did I say that?
[01:19] <ikonia> zetec452: sorry, I meant that for test34
[01:20] <ikonia> zetec452: my apologies
[01:20] <zetec452> There's me thinking I'd had too much to drink. :p
[01:20] <ikonia> test34: are you using 11.10 or 11.04 ?
[01:20] <test34> UUID is the only way to guarantee you recognize the same drive or partition no matter what. For example, if you introduce to your system another hard drive, this might upset quite a few things, starting with the way your system boots up (or stops booting up upon the new drive introduction). Using UUID helps remedy most of such things.
[01:20] <ikonia> zetec452: big apologies,
[01:20] <zetec452> NP. :)
[01:20] <ikonia> test34: what version of ubuntu are you using,
[01:20] <test34> please look into this issue
[01:21] <ikonia> test34: respond, what version of ubuntu are you using ?
[01:21] <test34> ikonia, I won't respond until you respond to this: does version 11.10 use UUID for /etc/crypttab ?
[01:22] <zetec452> I must admit the little tweaks they've made to unity in 11.10 do make a nice difference.
[01:22] <zetec452> Still not a huge fan of 11.10 on a 15" laptop screen.
[01:22] <ikonia> test34: you now can't respond as you're muted in the channel, send me a pm when you want to start telling the truth
[01:34] <Pilif12p> How do I get GNOME 2 on 11.10?
[01:34] <rww> GNOME 2 specifically, or is GNOME 3 that looks like GNOME Panel okay?
[01:35] <Pilif12p> i've been using 3 for 5 minutes and i can't stand it.
[01:35] <Pilif12p> i'd like to have 2
[01:35] <rww> Alrighty, then "you don't".
[01:35] <Pilif12p> seriously?
[01:35] <rww> maintaining two major versions of GNOME 2, one of which is unsupported upstream, would be way too much of a burden for our teams, so we're not.
[01:36] <Pilif12p> aaand off to fedora i go
[01:36] <Pici> GNOME no longer is supporting GNOME2
[01:36] <IdleOne> isn't fedora using gnome3 also
[01:36] <rww> You realize Fedora adopted GNOME 3 even before we did, right?
[01:36] <Pilif12p> ffs
[01:36] <Pilif12p> xfce...?
[01:36] <IdleOne> install xubuntu
[01:36] <Pici> Pilif12p: is what I'm using on 11.10 right now.
[01:36] <Pilif12p> or i can't downgrade to the LTS?
[01:36] <IdleOne> xubuntu-desktop
[01:45] <Pilif12p> so there's no way to get GNOME 2 back without pretty much rewriting the code
[01:57] <expiation> java? ;\
[01:59] <IdleOne> what about it?
[02:00] <expiation> gotta add a diff repo?
[02:01] <Pilif12p> could someone at least tell me where the preferences are if i can't go back to gnome 2 :/
[02:01] <IdleOne> !java
[02:03] <IdleOne> expiation: you will need to change the lucid part to oneiric
[02:06] <expiation> thanks
[02:19] <Pilif12p> or is it possible to put icons on the top bar?
[02:19] <Pilif12p> in GNOME classic (which seems to be 3)
[02:25] <urlin2u> I was able to add to the bottom popup bar, weather, cpu, applets.
[02:26] <urlin2u> not classicthough gnome 3.
[02:27] <Pilif12p> urlin2u: How?
[02:27] <urlin2u> with added ppa's
[02:28] <urlin2u> and startup applications made
[02:28] <Pilif12p> oh
[02:30] <urlin2u> there are how to add applets to the natty unity set up web pages the ppa's have oneirirc as well.
[03:24] <jbicha> Pilif12p: hold down Alt while rightclicking on the GNOME Classic top bar to add applets
[03:26] <robin0800> jbicha, that does not work for unity
[03:28] <jbicha> robin0800: right, but that didn't appear to be the question
[03:33] <urlin2u> gnome 3
[03:40] <expiation> yea gnome 3 is weird
[03:40] <expiation> empathy kind of dissapears if i close it heh
[05:33] <atari2600a> hey
[05:34] <atari2600a> can you re-arrange workspaces yet?
[05:34] <atari2600a> or should I install xubuntu next re-formatting of /
[05:34] <atari2600a> it has to be quite literally the only thing holding me back from using unity
[05:35] <atari2600a> well, that & sudo update-manager -d
[05:55] <atari2600a> this is kinda important for me
[05:56] <atari2600a> it determines whether I ruin my 35-day uptime to install a beta
[05:58] <atari2600a> fine I'll harass the main channel
[05:58] <bazhang> atari2600a, for 11.10?
[06:03] <atari2600a> bazhang, yeah
[06:05] <bazhang> To rearrange items in Unity’s Launcher, you first need to click and hold on the icon you want to move, then drag it out to the right first to free it from the Launcher.
[06:05] <bazhang> Now you can move it up or down and change its position by dropping it where you want it and letting go of the mouse button.
[06:05] <bazhang> atari2600a, if that's ^^ not working, then you should file a bug, unless the process has changed drastically since 11.04
[06:08] <atari2600a> I want the launcher by default to have 4 horizontal workspaces
[06:08] <atari2600a> both GNOME & Unity are going way to far, depricating important stuff like this with the intention of reimplementation
[06:08] <atari2600a> maybe
[06:08] <atari2600a> if enough people complain for long enough
[06:09] <atari2600a> I bet since it's on GNOME 3 I won't have access to screensavers either
[06:10] <atari2600a> many people still use CRTs & OLEDs have a half-life, we still need screensavers...
[06:10] <Trewas> atari2600a: I don't think there is a GUI configuration option to change number/shape of workspaces, but the gconf keys are still there
[06:10] <bazhang> horizontal? at the bottom or top of the screen?
[06:11] <nomego> hey guys, what's the difference between the fglrx and fglrx-updates in oneiric ?
[06:13] <atari2600a> Trewas, IIRC you said that last time & changing the keys did nothing for me
[06:13] <atari2600a> that or I couldn't find them where they where / should be
[06:14] <atari2600a> I'd restart x to check right now but I have so much stuff going on, & possibly a teamviewer session to help out a girl with her dying decade-old computer
[06:20] <Trewas> atari2600a: /apps/compiz-1/general/screen0/options/hsize and vsize worked a few weeks ago
[06:21] <atari2600a> the unit for a workspace being 1?
[06:21] <atari2600a> I'll keep it in mind tonight if I go -d maybe
[06:22] <Trewas> how many horizontal and vertical workspaces there are
[06:23] <Trewas> I changed to kde since then, at least they don't have the problem of unity/gnome3 developers, "we KNOW how you must use your computer"
[06:28] <Trewas> atari2600a: and by the way, that is for unity 3d, I have no idea what windowmanager unity-2d uses
[06:30] <almoxarife> 'suspend' disappears from the panel here, am I alone?
[06:31] <rww> Trewas: modified Metacity, I believe
[06:32] <nomego> hmm is there anything special to be done to get video working with fglrx?
[06:44] <atari2600a> Trewas, that's not to say KDE devs don't have their own problems
[06:44] <atari2600a> & it appears Linus would agree w/ me on this one
[06:44] <atari2600a> CENTRALIZATION
[06:44] <atari2600a> CENTRALIZATION EVERYWHERE
[06:45] <atari2600a> ever try to launch the kde equivelant of gksu?
[06:45] <atari2600a> you gotta type some long string like /usr/bin/kde/ksudo or something
[06:46] <atari2600a> all because they have to keep their suite binaries seperate like water fountains in the south or something
[06:46] <crimsonmane> is there a place where i can leave suggestions for ubuntu beta?
[06:46] <urlin2u> atari2600a, bad reference.
[06:57] <crimsonmane> is there a place where i can leave suggestions for ubuntu beta?
[06:59] <atari2600a> crimsonmane, ideapad.net?
[06:59] <atari2600a> err
[06:59] <atari2600a> sorry launchpad.net
[06:59] <crimsonmane> is that official site?
[06:59] <atari2600a> they have an ideas section
[06:59] <crimsonmane> ok
[06:59] <atari2600a> no ideapad is likely owned by lenovo
[07:00] <atari2600a> but the ideas never get picked up & if they do it takes years to get it implemented
[07:00] <atari2600a> you'd experience slightly more success with a bug report
[07:00] <atari2600a> but once it hits beta you're in a feature freeze & all the work that's done is QA & bug fixing
[07:00] <crimsonmane> so if i wanted to suggest they put a Restart button on the shutdown/suspend/hibernate section...
[07:03] <jbicha> crimsonmane: we're past UI freeze so you'd have to follow https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess
[07:03] <jbicha> there may already be a bug about that and you'd have to convince the designers that it was better than the current solution
[07:03] <urlin2u> crimsonmane, there is one on the confirm.
[07:09] <crimsonmane> what does it mean "there is one on the confirm" ?
[07:16] <urlin2u> crimsonmane, whenyou hit the shut down a screen pops up to confirm this here is a restart there.
[07:16] <urlin2u> there*
[09:19] <ssargennto> anybody have any ideas to help me get the new login screen? mine is still aligned to the center... i have tried reinstalling the lightdm and unity-greeter package via synaptic..
[09:54] <HiDeHo> hi all when is the next ubuntu lts version comming out
[09:56] <jtaylor> 04.2012
[09:57] <HiDeHo> ok is 11.10 going to stay with unity
[09:58] <jtaylor> yes the lts and following versions too
[10:00] <HiDeHo> y is this unity saw many people stiop using ubuntu
[10:00] <HiDeHo> if it was me i woudl have released a nother version called unibuntu and kept ubuntu with gnome
[10:01] <HiDeHo> ok thats just me was put of by negative reviews
[10:01] <jtaylor> gnome is still there
[10:01] <HiDeHo> i might try it again then when 11.10 comes out with a major fixes done
[10:02] <HiDeHo> what is the gnome version called
[10:02] <jtaylor> gnome3
[10:02] <HiDeHo> no the ubuntu os that comes with gnome instead of unity
[10:02] <jtaylor> regular ubuntu
[10:03] <HiDeHo> ubuntu 11.04 uses unity
[10:03] <HiDeHo> no gnome
[10:03] <jtaylor> comes with unity and gnome, xubuntu with xfce, kubuntu with kde and lubuntu with lxde+openbox
[10:03] <jtaylor> it still has gnome too
[10:03] <jtaylor> you can choose it on login
[10:03] <HiDeHo> ok jtaylor y id it having both making the iso bigger and bloated
[10:03] <jtaylor> yes it still fits on a cd though
[10:04] <jtaylor> which is quite an accomplishment
[10:04] <HiDeHo> ok but y i wonder. y not just do a version with gnome and kde toghther
[10:04] <HiDeHo> seems strange
[10:04] <jtaylor> unity is based on gnome
[10:04] <HiDeHo> jtaylor: i guess it is
[10:05] <jtaylor> so that works, kde and gnome are different, you can't get both on the cd completely
[10:05] <HiDeHo> really i see so is unity a wm
[10:05] <jtaylor> unity is more a shell, like gnome shell
[10:05] <jtaylor> wm is compiz in unity
[10:06] <HiDeHo> jtaylor: compiz is the fancy desktop effects how can that be a wm
[10:06] <HiDeHo> or why give it same name
[10:06] <jtaylor> compiz is a compositioning window manager = wm
[10:07] <HiDeHo> i have compiz installed on my ubuntu 10.04 its nto a wm
[10:07] <HiDeHo> compiz handles the fancy desktop effects
[10:07] <jtaylor> oh no, the upstream authors must be idiots calling their not wm a wm :O
[10:07] <HiDeHo> its an addon to gnome
[10:08] <HiDeHo> jtaylor: i just wonder y they called the wm in unity compiz when name was already taken
[10:08] <HiDeHo> jtaylor: i am not saying that at all
[10:08] <jtaylor> "unities compiz" is the same compiz
[10:08] <jtaylor> unity is a plugin to compiz
[10:09] <HiDeHo> and gnome is the shell
[10:09] <HiDeHo> corect??
[10:09] <jtaylor> gnome is a desktop enviroment
[10:09] <HiDeHo> ok i kind of get it
[10:09] <HiDeHo> i know gnome is a de
[10:10] <HiDeHo> gnome is the de openbox is a wm
[10:12] <HiDeHo> jtaylor: ok that is not my understanding of it. also compiz-fusion
[10:12] <HiDeHo> ok well i thought gnome de was the shell that wm can run on
[10:13] <HiDeHo> well thanks for teaching me jtaylor
[10:19] <gr8Q> I have Unity Docking on screen how to auto-hide it ?
[11:45] <octe> anyone know anything about the libwebkitgtk dependency being broken?
[11:48] <bunshu> hi
[11:48] <bunshu> i just upgraded from natty to oneiric and now when i open the dashboard i cannot select/search for applications by typing
[11:49] <bunshu> is there a way to revert to the natty way?
[11:49] <Stanley00> bunshu: did you restart after upgrade?
[11:49] <bunshu> Stanley00: yes, i did
[11:51] <Stanley00> bunshu: maybe there are some config conflict, you can add a new user to test...
[11:54] <octe> oh, awesome
[11:54] <octe> i switched from the .se-mirror to the main mirror and the dependency problems went away
[11:55] <octe> how often are mirrors synchronized for oneiric packageS?
[11:56] <ActionParsnip> octe: they will rsync betweenas they are updated
[11:57] <octe> strange, i've had some libwebkit dependency issue preventing me from installing the ubuntu-desktop package for the last day when i was using the swedish mirror
[12:14] <qzio> octe: I had the same problem. not sure if related, but even after I tried to fix it with a live cd, my system was unbootable. I was forced to completely reinstall
[12:18] <diverse_izzue> can you guys add a printer using gnome-control-center in oneiric? for me, the add button is greyed out
[12:21] <ActionParsnip> diverse_izzue: try running it from terminal
[12:21] <Onlyodin> diverse_izzue, the add button isn't greyed out for me
[12:21] <ActionParsnip> diverse_izzue: what groups are you in?
[12:32] <diverse_izzue> ActionParsnip, I'm in: hunzikea adm dialout cdrom plugdev lpadmin admin sambashare
[12:32] <diverse_izzue> (gnome-control-center:20393): printers-cc-panel-WARNING **: Your system does not have the cups-pk-helper's policy "org.opensuse.cupspkhelper.mechanism.all-edit" installed. Please check your installation
[12:33] <diverse_izzue> installing cips-pk-helper did the trick!
[12:33] <diverse_izzue> thanks for pointing me in the right direction
[12:34] <ActionParsnip> diverse_izzue: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=116736
[12:34] <ActionParsnip> np man
[12:34] <ActionParsnip> diverse_izzue: gui apps are nice til they start to break
[12:34] <ActionParsnip> then they hide anything useful so they suck
[12:34] <diverse_izzue> that's why we have to make them work *g
[12:34] <ActionParsnip> as always, terminal fixes everything
[12:35] <diverse_izzue> yap!
[12:35] <ActionParsnip> diverse_izzue: I suggest you log a bug too to let folks know
[12:40] <ActionParsnip> funny how users think using terminal is 'bad' or 'old fashioned'
[12:55] <reya276> Is the new Wacom Tablet application available for 11.04?
[12:56] <reya276> Man why could they not include that in 11.04
[13:01] <vega-> this channel is for 11.10
[13:03] <reya276> I understand that, all I'm asking is if the new Wacom Tablet app is available besides 11.10
[13:03] <reya276> like a PPA or something
[13:03] <reya276> nevermind I'll just google it since we are being so difficult about it
[13:04] <reya276> thanks
[13:04] <Pici> Okay then.
[13:35] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[13:39] <necreo> looking to reinstall ubuntu, but I think Ill go straight away for beta 11.10, should I wait for beta2?
[13:39] <BluesKaj> necreo:  beta1 seems ok so far , I just installed it clean yesterday
[13:40] <necreo> hmm ok
[13:40] <necreo> I just think the upgrade for 11.04 > 11.10 will be "harder" than upgrading from the beta release
[13:40] <BluesKaj> necreo:  I had kwin probs by upgrading from 11.04, when beta came down
[13:41] <BluesKaj> but if you're on gnome , you should be ok
[13:41] <necreo> can I read somewhere what is expected to change in beta2? if it will have a lot of changes I might wait for 2 weeks
[13:41] <necreo> yea gnome
[13:42] <necreo> my original ubuntu install was 10.04 upgraded to 10.10 and in the end 11.04, but it doesnt feel right anymore, so that's why I want to reinstall
[13:42] <BluesKaj> right , too many gremlins :)
[13:43] <necreo> myriad of problems, latest is that the networkmanager indicator isnt launched
[15:06]  * gnomie is disgruntled to find out !docky works flawlessly under unity2d vs the clumsiness of the current launcher. 
[15:07] <gnomie> near unnacceptable
[15:08] <gnomie> therefore, gimme the dash and docky.. no need to reinvent the wheel. sigh
[15:08]  * gnomie sad
[15:09] <gnomie> too many questions
[15:12] <jacobw> docky isn't new, so it can be part of the new paradigm :P
[15:12] <gnomie> it's written in c# ..
[15:15] <gnomie> i just made it part of the new paradigm here
[15:40] <rigved_> hi everyone. i am using the latest beta version. my mic is not working. it was working fine in lucid on the same machine. can anyone help?
[16:03] <Wellark> aarrgghh
[16:03] <Wellark> you guys messed up dependencies?
[16:03] <Wellark> libwebkitgtk-1.0-0 breaks my world
[16:06] <Wellark> please, fix before Monday
[16:06] <Wellark> or else it becomes my problem :P
[16:06] <Pici> Wellark: This channel isn't a replacement for logging bugs.
[16:06] <Wellark> I'll start at Canonical then
[16:06] <Wellark> Pici: yeah, sure, I know
[16:06] <Pici> Wellark: and please curb the attitude, its not appreciated here.
[16:07] <Wellark> it's probably just that I've been using oneiric from alpha 2 and there might be some dependency problems just because of that
[16:07] <Wellark> Pici: it was a _joke_
[16:08] <Pici> Wellark: Well, unfortunately plenty of people come here saying similar things and are not joking.  I guess I've been jaded.
[16:08] <iheartubuntu> hello! im testing Oneiric right now and it appears unable to make use of intel drivers. my graphics card is GMA 4500M. Can anyone offer any advice? Thanks!
[16:08] <Wellark> Pici: no problem. As I said, I'm going to start at Canonical on Monday, so it will become my problem :)
[16:09] <Pici> Wellark: Oh! neat, congrats :)
[16:09] <Braber01> does anybody know how to get a split screen in the Termanitor Terminal?
[16:10] <Wellark> Pici: the repository might just be out of sync ATM
[16:11] <Wellark> a lot of things to rebuild after libwebkitgtk update
[16:11] <iheartubuntu> is there any way to change icon sets in 11.10?
[16:13] <iheartubuntu> hello! im testing Oneiric right now and it appears unable to make use of intel drivers. my graphics card is GMA 4500M. Can anyone offer any advice? Thanks!
[16:14] <trism> iheartubuntu: you can use: gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.interface icon-theme 'ThemeName'; gnome-tweak-tool probably allows you to change it as well
[16:14] <iheartubuntu> ty
[16:32] <Wellark> hmm.. it seems that full-upgrade is broken ATM
[16:32] <Wellark> safe-upgrade works
[16:56] <mortal> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/844892
[17:05] <Wellark> whoa.. are we on beta already? :D
[17:06] <Wellark> time sure flies
[17:12] <ChmEarl> /var/lock -- is this a dir or symlink in 11.10?
[17:15] <micahg> should be a symlink to /run/lock
[18:17] <jakemp> Is this alt tabbing between virtual desktops going to remain?
[18:26] <rigved> hi eveyone. my mic is not working in the latest beta. it was working fine in lucid on the same machine. can anyone help?
[18:39] <Exodus> rigved, have you checked that the right input is selected?
[18:45] <zonkers> is there any screen savers in unity?
[18:46] <rigved> Exodus: there is only one input available.
[18:48] <rigved> Exodus: i checked alsamixer. it shows capture (which I am assuming is for mic). it is at full yet it does not work. i tested with the skype call testing service. i could no hear my own voice.
[19:05] <rigved> Exodus: any suggestions?
[19:06] <Saviq> rigved: have you checked in sound settings?
[19:06] <Saviq> there's an "input" tab that has a VU meter
[19:07] <Saviq> with it you can select inputs / ports
[19:08] <rigved> Saviq: yes. it shows that internal mic is selected. i don't exactly have an internal mic. i connect an external headphone+mic to talk (and listen).
[19:09] <Saviq> and does the VU meter show something? did you try to up the volume?
[19:09] <rigved> Saviq: also, when i talk, in lucid, the VU meter used to move. but in oneiric, it does not move at all.
[19:09] <rigved> Saviq: volume is max
[19:09] <rigved> Saviq: i mean, volume of the input is max
[19:10] <Saviq> sounds like a bug in the drivers, especially if you only have one capture source in alsamixer
[19:10] <zonkers> i'm running unity 2d. are there any screen save options?
[19:11] <rigved> Saviq: how do i report this bug? which package?
[19:11] <Saviq> zonkers: don't think so, but it's not unity-specific
[19:11] <Saviq> I think it's GNOME3-specific actually
[19:12] <zonkers> saviq: tx.. btw unity is much much better in new version
[19:12] <rigved> zonkers: +1
[19:12] <Saviq> rigved: something alsa
[19:13] <rigved> Saviq: ok. thanks. i will file a bug against alsa.
[19:13] <Saviq> it will get triaged to the correct place
[19:14] <rigved> Saviq: yes. i will explain the whole case. hope that will help it get triaged properly.
[19:15] <zonkers> i was anti-unity until installed this
[19:28] <XGaryG> I can not access contacts with Ubuntu.
[19:29] <XGaryG> Is there a way to make it work?
[19:34] <XGaryG> Hmmm...
[19:36] <rigved> XGaryG: do you mean the contacts on your ubuntuone cloud storage?
[19:37] <basalt> evening
[19:37] <basalt> does anyone know what happened to the xulrunner packages in oneiric?
[19:38] <XGaryG> rigved, Yes.
[19:39] <rigved> XGaryG: there is a bug in one of the packages. it will only allow you to sync your files. nothing else gets synced. it is supposed to be fixed by beta 2, hopefully.
[19:41] <XGaryG> OK. I'll stop playing with it then. I hope they include a way to import Google contacts into it.
[19:42] <rigved> XGaryG: i think that there is a thunderbird plugin to sync your gmail contact with thunderbird locally. it's an add-on.
[19:42] <XGaryG> OK.  I'll look into it. Thanks.
[21:03] <zonkers> how big of usb key do i need to run 11.10?
[21:05] <FernandoMiguel> evening
[21:05] <FernandoMiguel> zonkers: about 700MBs
[21:07] <afief> How unstable is Ubuntu 11.10 by now?
[21:08] <FernandoMiguel> ehe
[21:09] <FernandoMiguel> won't even dare awser that
[21:09] <afief> That bad? :(
[21:09] <FernandoMiguel> meh
[21:09] <afief> I remember I used to be able to upgrade to beta with little or no glitches
[21:12] <alex_mayorga> I keep getting apport but it does nothing when I click "Report problem..." and put my password, ideas?
[21:16] <Exodus> alex_mayorga, can you rephrase that into something people can understand maybe with some better details?
[21:16] <alex_mayorga> Exodus: I can try
[21:16] <alex_mayorga> I boot into oneiric
[21:17] <alex_mayorga> I get a "Report problem..." window and click report
[21:17] <alex_mayorga> I get asked for my password
[21:17] <alex_mayorga> I put in the password
[21:17] <alex_mayorga> then nothing happens
[21:17] <alex_mayorga> the "Report problem..."window keeps popping up over and over
[21:18] <afief> I take it he's saying that he tries  to report problems, but apport disappears halfway through after he enters his password(into gksudo?)
[21:18] <alex_mayorga> Exodus: understandable now?
[21:18] <Exodus> alex_mayorga, that window will pop-up a lot for you. It doesn't mean you have to click report every single time it pops =)
[21:18] <Exodus> alex_mayorga, can you open a terminal and type: ubuntu-bug
[21:18] <Exodus> and Enter.
[21:19] <Exodus> Does an application start up?
[21:19] <alex_mayorga> Exodus: yes
[21:19] <alex_mayorga> with 5 options
[21:19] <Exodus> alex_mayorga, good, that is the tool you should use when you find a bug.
[21:20] <Exodus> alex_mayorga, generally you'll want a little insight prior to using the tool like: what package is affected by this bug I'm facing.
[21:20] <alex_mayorga> in my case that window keeps appearing automatically, I've reported bugs with it before, but in this case it just dies
[21:20] <alex_mayorga> that's why I'm asking here
[21:21] <Exodus> alex_mayorga, yes, it is weird. Although I wouldn't worry too much about it. Those random bug reports that appear out of thin air are apport (same ubuntu-bug tool) over sensitive to several warnings and errors your system is collecting
[21:22] <alex_mayorga> I guess I'd just ignore it then
[21:23] <Exodus> alex_mayorga, I recommend you not grief yourself over that one bug that got away as I'm sure it's been reported 1,000 times by other Ubuntu users and it's probably a minor GTK graphics complain coming from a running application.
[21:23] <mongy> what do I do about startup applications, or rather, disabling what there is, which arent shown
[21:24] <alex_mayorga> Exodus: any tips to reduce "over sensitiveness"?
[21:24] <Exodus> mongy, which aren't show. You mean daemons? services? or just apps in the background of gnome?
[21:24] <mongy> Exodus, basically, what should show up in startup applications app
[21:25] <mongy> Exodus, its empty.  I like to remove certain things like remote desktop, bluetooth etc..
[21:26] <Exodus> mongy, ahh, I see. That window changed quite a lot.
[21:27] <Exodus> alex_mayorga, I haven't played around with that service tbh.
[21:27] <Exodus> alex_mayorga, but just ignore the ones that pop up randomly for now, it's that way because we're in beta.
[21:31] <IdleOne> !info upower
[22:17] <pimperle> hi
[22:19] <pimperle> i'm trying to build the php5 package from oneiric in a virtual natty environment, and after rebuilding and installing libtool2.4 it still fails.
[22:19] <pimperle> is this the right channel to discuss this kind of issue?
[22:20] <pimperle> the build process fails because lt_unset is undefined in the libtool script. This in turn should get patched during dpkg-source (according to the diff.gz file). The changes are however overwritten by the later invocation of buildconf.sh.
[22:21] <pimperle> as i installed the libtool version of natty, i would claim, that this package wouldn't compile under oneiric as well (which it obviously does).
[22:21] <pimperle> where should i look for this error. which part of the build process is probably failing on me?
[22:22] <ChmEarl> in 11.10/amd64 is this symlink a must? lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root     3 2011-09-08 15:21 lib64 -> lib
[22:23] <ChmEarl> is it always there?
[22:23] <Exodus> ChmEarl, it's a must
[22:23] <Exodus> ChmEarl, it's always there
[22:23] <ChmEarl> Exodus, thanks -- without it, pygrub from xen fails
[22:25] <ChmEarl> my oneiric xen dom0 with xen 4.1.1 from source is up and stable
[22:28] <ChmEarl> IOW this symlink has to be there /usr/lib64 -> lib
[22:28] <pimperle> to make things worse, i entered the chroot in which the compile failed and manually tried to build the package by removing the build-dir, setting it up with dpkg-source -x and then ran dpkg-buildpackge inside. This process failed 2 times but worked at the 3rd time, each time after i had removed and recreated the build dir.
[22:28] <pimperle> which channel could i discuss this issue in?
[22:31] <urlin2u> pimperle, if it is oneiric this is the channel, don't Oneiric is in development
[22:31] <urlin2u> forget
[22:32] <pimperle> i restarted the job on my build-server now, and this time it looks more promising. i wonder if there is some kind of race condition in the build process, that will make this fail in 4 out of 5 times
[23:42] <jtaylor> wth where is the location bar in the open-file-dialog
[23:43] <jtaylor> I hope the removal is a bug and no "feature"
[23:43] <jtaylor> phew is still there it just disappears when one goes on recently used. confusing
[23:44] <robin0800_> jtaylor, its under go
[23:44] <jtaylor> go?
[23:45] <robin0800_> jtaylor, thought you were looking for location
[23:45] <jtaylor> yes
[23:46] <robin0800_> jtaylor, well its under the go menu
[23:46] <jtaylor> I have no go menu
[23:47] <jtaylor> but I have found it, its just hidden by default now