[10:27] <zma> Hi, are there prebuild Ubuntu Core images available? Or is it feasible choice to just "install it" ?
[10:28] <ogra_> ubuntu core is only a rootfs tarball
[10:29] <zma> ok, so it comes down to boot mechanism and drivers
[10:31] <zma> Actually, I just need some alternative to Angstrom on Panda board. I don't need all unnecessary graphical environment stuff
[10:31] <zma> Is Ubuntu Core a good choice to look at?
[10:40] <ogra_> ubuntu-core is something for people wanting a base to create new images and want to take the effort to implement the HW related bits themselves
[10:41] <ogra_> if you want a non graphical install i would go with the server image instead
[10:41] <zma> good point
[10:44]  * ogra_ reboots for an ac100 test install bbl
[11:38] <ogra_> grrr
[11:38]  * ogra_ wonders why the ac100 installer doesnt boot
[12:17]  * ogra_ grumbles deeply 
[12:18]  * ogra_ wonders why he gets uncompression errors with the installer initrd 
[15:30] <ogra_> bug 806751
[15:30] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 806751 in debian-installer "Boot partition on SD is too small on omap/omap4" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/806751
[15:58] <rbasak> ogra_, GrueMaster: so we were talking about what I might be able to do to help with ARM server. So that I'm clear, am I right in understanding that there's nothing apart from QA left to be done? And for QA, I'll just take items from GrueMaster's work list?
[15:59] <ogra_> well, generally the apps just work regardless what arch they run on, so our main issue is QA to actually find the ones that misbehave based on the arch difference
[15:59] <GrueMaster> rbasak: A lot has been tested, and the status "should" be on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/QA/Server, especially the failing tests.
[16:01] <GrueMaster> One of the issues I keep running into is that there doesn't appear to be any test tools/documents/methodologies for most of my work items.  So I have to make it up as I go.
[16:01] <GrueMaster> And some of the tests we do have are woefully inadequate.
[16:02] <rbasak> OK so those are what you've written up below?
[16:03] <GrueMaster> Yes.
[16:03] <rbasak> And the items on the wiki page are what you've done so far, so don't include work items you've not looked at yet?
[16:03] <GrueMaster> I have been trying to document the steps I took to start the tests so that I have something to refer to when I go back to automate them.
[16:03] <rbasak> ...and all the testing you've been doing so far is on the pandaboard?
[16:04] <GrueMaster> Yes.  If it isn't tested, it isn't on the wiki.
[16:04] <GrueMaster> Yes.
[16:04] <rbasak> OK
[16:04] <rbasak> Is there an item that is nicely separated that you can give me to get started on?
[16:04] <ogra_> rbasak, http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-oneiric/canonical-arm.html has all workitems for the canonical-arm team
[16:04] <rbasak> Note that I've only just had the pandaboard arrive in the post today, I've not tried it yet
[16:04] <GrueMaster> fyi, running a raid5 on USB Sata drives from a cell phone based system is...interesting.
[16:04]  * ogra_ wonders why ubuntu-arm isnt there, i thought it was added
[16:05] <ogra_> if syou want to help with any of these, thast indeed appreciated
[16:05] <rbasak> ...so I'll need some help to get started I expect
[16:05] <ogra_> GrueMaster, hehm i did something similar with my nslu2
[16:05] <rbasak> the trouble I have with the work items is that I see an entry but have very little idea on what's actually involved in doing it, so i don't know what I should start with
[16:05] <GrueMaster> Well, you can either start with a preinstalled image on SD or (for better performance) use a USB drive.
[16:06] <ogra_> 5 identical USB keys on a HUB set up as software raid
[16:06] <ogra_> sadly the nlsu CPU couldnt cope :)
[16:06] <rbasak> USB drive as in hard drive or flash stick?
[16:06] <ogra_> stick
[16:06] <GrueMaster> rbasak: I have no idea either.  Hence the research I have to do for each work item.
[16:06] <ogra_> just for laughs ...
[16:07] <GrueMaster> I have USB Sata drives.
[16:07] <rbasak> GrueMaster: OK so would it be better for me to try and fix a failed test in the wiki?
[16:07] <ogra_> well, even the stick speed improves
[16:08] <GrueMaster> rbasak: Other than some of the PTS tests, the only ones that failed are iSCSI and IPSec.  iSCSI is arch independent at this point.
[16:08] <GrueMaster> IPSec required a new kernel config, which is now in place.
[16:08] <rbasak> what's pts?
[16:09] <GrueMaster> Phoronix-Test-Suite.
[16:09] <rbasak> ok
[16:09] <GrueMaster> The clusterFS tests I will have to do, as I have the HW for it (6 pandas with USB SATA drives).
[16:12] <GrueMaster> rbasak: The other test that I am blocked on is the IPv6 stuff.  The only validation testsuite I know of is from http://tahi.org, but it is BSD only.
[16:14] <GrueMaster> So, open workitems that can be taken are:  SELinux, ensemble, OpenStack/LXC, and LUKS (although I thought I had tested LUKS a while ago - Alpha 3 timeframe).
[16:15] <GrueMaster> Oh, that was encryptfs.  Not sure if there is a difference.
[16:16] <rbasak> OK, I know my way around LUKS (I even ported it to Android) so that might be an appropriate one to take
[16:16] <GrueMaster> Cool.
[16:16] <rbasak> So am I right in thinking that there's no other real guidance - I just need to come up with a process that tests LUKS effectively, write up what it is, and make sure it works?
[16:16] <GrueMaster> Pretty much.
[16:16] <rbasak> OK!
[16:17] <rbasak> What's the timescale?
[16:17] <GrueMaster> Beta 2 release.
[16:17] <GrueMaster> (two weeks).
[16:17] <rbasak> OK and is that tested in two weeks or tested and fixed in two weeks?
[16:18] <GrueMaster> Tested (and bugs filed appropriately).
[16:18] <GrueMaster> This is mainly a pipe cleaning exercise, to see what needs fixing in armel server.
[16:18] <GrueMaster> (of course, if the bug can be fixed quickly, great).
[16:19] <rbasak> OK, I'll have to see how I get on and I'll keep you updated. I haven't even booted the board yet, so I really have no idea how long it'll take me
[16:19] <rbasak> (and I need to order a PSU!)
[16:19] <GrueMaster> Ping me if you need help.  I have a lot of time on these boards now.
[16:20] <GrueMaster> If you have a USB Y cable, you can use it for now.  Draw power from your PC.
[16:20] <GrueMaster> Just plug it into the gaget port.
[16:20] <GrueMaster> *gadget
[16:20] <rbasak> I only have straight cables
[16:21] <GrueMaster> Should give you enough to boot the server image from SD and have networking.
[16:21] <rbasak> OK
[16:21] <GrueMaster> And if you do use an external USB drive, it will need it's own power source.
[16:22] <rbasak> I have a USB caddy that takes its own power so that should be OK
[16:22] <GrueMaster> Excellent.
[16:22] <rbasak> Where do I get the image? Will the latest in cdimage be OK?
[16:22] <GrueMaster> Yes, that should work  well for just running off SD.
[16:23] <rbasak> So I just dd it straight on?
[16:23] <rbasak> I can borrow an SD card out of my camera for now but I'll need to order one for longer term. What's the recommended size?
[16:24] <GrueMaster> pretty much.  The image is an img.gz file, so gunzip < <image> |dd bs=4M of=/dev/mmcblk0 (or whatever the SD is on your pc).
[16:24] <rbasak> OK
[16:24] <GrueMaster> I use 8G for my server testing, but anything from 4G up will do.
[16:24] <GrueMaster> For preinstalled images.
[16:25] <GrueMaster> If you do netboot, you only need ~30-50M on the SD.
[16:25] <GrueMaster> And the rootfs can live on the USB drive (~10x faster).
[16:25] <GrueMaster> brb
[16:26] <CocoaGeek> hello
[16:28] <rbasak> OK PSU and SD card ordered but I think I have enough to get going for now
[16:29] <CocoaGeek> can I just use arm-linux-gnueabi-g++-4.4 on x64 Ubuntu 11.04 to cross-compile for Ubuntu running on a OMAP4 netbook?
[16:31] <dcordes> rsalveti: hey
[16:31] <GrueMaster> CocoaGeek: It should work.  For cross-compile issues, you may want to ask in #linaro though.  They are actively working on that stuff.
[16:32] <CocoaGeek> GrueMaster: Thank you
[16:32] <dcordes> I am wondering why fennec does not appear in the oneiric version  http://packages.ubuntu.com/en/oneiric/fennec
[16:33] <dcordes> so I emailed the package maintainer but I do not receive any reply
[16:33] <dcordes> where should such things be discussed ?
[16:37] <rsalveti> dcordes: hey!
[16:38] <rsalveti> dcordes: true: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fennec
[16:38] <rsalveti> ubuntu-dev probably
[16:50] <dcordes> rsalveti: can't your put your foot down ? :D you told me you see use for it on tablets etc.
[18:29] <ppisati> GrueMaster: saw the beagle xm network stuff
[18:29] <ppisati> GrueMaster: i'm at plumbers, i'll take a look at it next week
[18:29] <GrueMaster> ppisati: I believe it is u-boot related.
[18:29] <ppisati> GrueMaster: yep
[18:30] <ppisati> GrueMaster: is the new u-boot the pxe-enabled one?
[18:32] <GrueMaster> Not sure.
[18:32] <GrueMaster> I don't think so.
[18:32] <ppisati> ok
[18:32] <ppisati> anyway, when i'm back i'll take a look
[18:32] <ppisati> GrueMaster: thanks for the debug
[18:32] <ppisati> GrueMaster: and btw, since it seems you are really work-overloaded
[18:32] <GrueMaster> To be honest, I haven't had time to really look at it.
[18:33] <GrueMaster> (beyond what is in the bug report).
[18:33] <ppisati> GrueMaster: if there's something i can do, i mean, feel free to throw it to me :)
[18:33] <GrueMaster> Ok.
[18:33] <ppisati> oooooooook :)