[04:38] <pitti> Good morning
[04:39] <pitti> desrt: ah, thanks; I'll just keep retrying it on the builders then
[04:40] <pitti> dobey: couchdb> oh, I didn't answer because I have NFC about couch
[04:40] <pitti> bigon: where do you see this error?
[04:53] <TheMuso> morning pitti.
[04:59] <pitti> hey TheMuso, how are you?
[04:59] <TheMuso> pitti: Not too bad thanks.
[04:59] <TheMuso> Yourself?
[05:00] <pitti> pretty well, thanks!
[05:01] <pitti> TheMuso: looking at bug 769256 now, I'll see whether we can apply a workaround in our packages
[05:01] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 769256 in gtk+3.0 "Gdk enumerations do not contain GType info in GIR" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/769256
[05:07] <TheMuso> pitti: ok thanks.,
[05:07] <pitti> well, I'll first give it a shot upstream
[05:14] <TheMuso> ok
[05:34] <jbicha> pitti: do you know if installing notification-daemon interferes with Unity's notifications?
[05:36] <pitti> jbicha: it shouldn't
[05:38] <pitti> jbicha: notify-osd's dbus script has some code to detect whether to use notification-daemon or notify-osd
[05:39] <didrocks> good morning
[05:40] <pitti> bonjour didrocks
[05:43] <didrocks> hey pitti!
[05:52] <desrt> pitti: if you could get some love on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/eglibc/+bug/838975 it would be nice :)
[05:52] <ubot2`> Ubuntu bug 838975 in eglibc "weird pthread/fork race/deadlock" [Undecided,New]
[06:04] <pitti> desrt: that's a little above my head, I'm afraid :/
[06:30] <robert_ancell> jasoncwarner_, ping
[06:31] <jasoncwarner_> hey  robert_ancell
[06:32] <robert_ancell> jasoncwarner_, can I get you to try an optimised unity-greeter and see if that makes a difference?  Are you using i386 or amd64?
[06:32] <jasoncwarner_> amd64
[06:32] <robert_ancell> jasoncwarner_, yay, I'll just email you the .deb then
[06:32] <jasoncwarner_> I just updated and didn't see U-G come down...
[06:32] <jasoncwarner_> oh
[06:32] <jasoncwarner_> ok
[06:33] <jasoncwarner_> you can always share in U1, if one.ubuntu.com is working (it wasn't yesterday)
[06:33] <jasoncwarner_> but email works as well.
[06:33] <robert_ancell> brb
[06:37] <robert_ancell> jasoncwarner_, ok, emailed it to you now.  Should use the new one as soon as you log out after installing
[06:37] <jasoncwarner_> is there a way I can check when I'm on the screen?
[06:37] <robert_ancell> jasoncwarner_, while logged in?
[06:38] <jasoncwarner_> when I'm logging in...
[06:38] <jasoncwarner_> like, I'm sitting on the u-g screen about to login, how do I check I'm using the proper u-g version?
[06:38] <robert_ancell> jasoncwarner_, the logo in the bottom left will be translucent, which is not the case in 0.0.5
[06:38] <jasoncwarner_> or am I making this too complicated?
[06:38] <robert_ancell> yes :P
[06:39] <jasoncwarner_> ah, ok
[06:40] <jasoncwarner_> robert_ancell: I'm tesitng this for laginess, right?
[06:41] <robert_ancell> jasoncwarner_, yes (I don't see any on my system)
[06:41] <jasoncwarner_> ok...rebooting...back in like 4 minutes :/
[06:41] <robert_ancell> there's two major changes - the animation is now constant time, and the backgrounds are rendered in a thread
[06:48] <robert_ancell> jasoncwarner_, still there?  you don't have to reboot, just log out btw
[06:49] <jasoncwarner_> robert_ancell: back
[06:51] <didrocks> pitti: FYI, libunity will have an ABI break today, prepare for seeing a bunch of rebuilds
[06:52]  * micahg cries, chrisccoulson ^^
[06:53] <micahg> didrocks: did you see my note about qt4-x11?
[06:54] <rickspencer3> I forgot to start xchat this morning, this gave me the illusion of  a very quiet morning
[06:54] <didrocks> micahg: hum, no I didn't? when did you sent it?
[06:54] <micahg> didrocks: I subscribed you to a bug several hours ago about adding a patch to it
[06:55] <pitti> didrocks: ah, thanks
[06:55] <pitti> rickspencer3: one is ridiculously productive without IRC, right? :-)
[06:55] <rickspencer3> pitti, well, I did go to the bakery and enjoy some esspresso
[06:56] <didrocks> micahg: do you have the bug number handy? It seems I didn't get it in my "subscriber" box?
[06:56] <rickspencer3> so, I'll answer your question with a "yes" ;)
[06:56] <micahg> didrocks: bug 837557
[06:56] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 837557 in qt4-x11 "fraudulent DigiNotar certificate issuance" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/837557
[06:56] <pitti> rickspencer3: 'zactly!
[06:56] <rodrigo_> morning
[06:56] <micahg> wow, how nice of ubot2` to get the right task :)
[06:56] <pitti> hey rodrigo_
[06:57] <rodrigo_> hi pitti
[06:58] <didrocks> micahg: oh that? its already done… but thanks :)
[06:58] <micahg> didrocks: ah, excellent, uploaded too or just waiting to upload?
[06:58] <didrocks> (and you didn't subscribe me, but assigned) :)
[06:58] <didrocks> micahg: waiting to upload in coordination with some new unity-2d release
[06:59] <didrocks> micahg: all is ready from monday (expect from this patch I added yesterday after reading the blog post)
[06:59] <micahg> didrocks: ah, right, cool, thanks, I'll watch for the upload and close manually if you don't add the bug #, thanks, one less thing to worry about :)
[07:00] <didrocks> micahg: I'll add the bug # now, no worry :)
[07:00] <micahg> didrocks: thanks, I'm heading to sleep now
[07:01] <didrocks> micahg: enjoy :)
[07:07] <didrocks> jasoncwarner_: oh btw, agateau fixed the sni-qt and dbusmenu-qt to support multi-arch, so you should get your indicator in skype back
[07:08] <jasoncwarner_> I saw that today,  :)
[07:08] <jasoncwarner_> it is working !
[07:11] <didrocks> great :)
[07:12] <didrocks> pitti: I never get it from the wiki page, is a strange change, so an UIFe needs a ack or just subscription + email sending? The wiki page doesn't seem to tell it needs an ack
[07:13] <pitti> didrocks: it's a freeze exception like any other, so it does need an ack
[07:13] <pitti> didrocks: for UI we require an additional ack from the documentation team
[07:13] <pitti> but u-release@ usually subscribes/asks them after initial review
[07:14] <didrocks> pitti: ok, well, in this case, the doc team is making the change :)
[07:14] <didrocks> pitti: quick look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-translations/+bug/839880 ?
[07:14] <ubot2`> Ubuntu bug 839880 in language-selector "Instructs to use System -> Administration menu" [Undecided,In progress]
[07:14] <didrocks> pitti: I try to chase the unity guys to get all UIFe done for today's release (there will be a lot, so maybe can open a metabug summarizing everything?) otherwise, I won't upload the new release
[07:16] <pitti> didrocks: well, Gabor is translation team, but right, we should fix that, an in this case it's a string break, so that implies his +1
[07:16] <pitti> didrocks: summary bug sounds fine; I thought we already had one
[07:16] <pitti> didrocks: there was one which explained all the layout changes in the dash, for example
[07:17] <didrocks> pitti: oh? I wasn't subscribed to this one, this is from yesterday?
[07:17] <pitti> didrocks: bug 841945
[07:17] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 841945 in unity "UIFe: Dash - Shape and positioning of most of the elements in the Dash need adjustment" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/841945
[07:18] <didrocks> pitti: ok, there is not all the changes, but the others are touching the dash as well
[07:44] <pitti> TheMuso: ah, I think I have an upstreamable patch now which works in all scenarios; doing the last test builds. so expect an upload over the day
[07:46] <pitti> back in ~ 1 h
[08:03] <seb128> hey
[08:03] <rodrigo_> hey seb128
[08:09] <didrocks> salut seb128
[08:09] <didrocks> hey rodrigo_
[08:11] <rodrigo_> salut didrocks
[08:16] <chrisccoulson> good morning eveeryone
[08:16] <rodrigo_> morning chrisccoulson
[08:16] <chrisccoulson> hi rodrigo_, how are you?
[08:16] <rodrigo_> I'm fine thanks, and you?
[08:17] <chrisccoulson> rodrigo_, yeah, not too bad thanks, although i've got quite a headache this morning
[08:17] <rodrigo_> oh, suck :(
[08:17] <bigon> 06:40 < pitti> bigon: where do you see this error? << http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=640467
[08:17] <ubot2`> Debian bug 640467 in python-gobject "Insufficient requirement on glib" [Grave,Open]
[08:18] <chrisccoulson> seb128, so, i figured out last night that stopping the media-keys plugin before the callback to g_bus_get is dispatched will cause bug 832603
[08:18] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 832603 in gnome-settings-daemon "gnome-settings-daemon crashed with SIGSEGV in g_simple_async_result_complete()" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/832603
[08:18] <chrisccoulson> i can fix that, but it would be nice to figure out the conditions which actually cause that
[08:18] <chrisccoulson> because it seems a little weird
[08:19] <chrisccoulson> in fact, destroying the plugin before that callback fires will cause a crash too, because nothing is holding a ref to it, but that's not the issue there
[08:20] <rodrigo_> chrisccoulson, I'm looking at that bug myself, but why would you want to stop the plugin?
[08:20] <seb128> hey rodrigo_ didrocks chrisccoulson
[08:20] <seb128> how are you?
[08:20] <chrisccoulson> rodrigo_, well, they're stopped on shutdown
[08:20] <didrocks> good morning chrisccoulson
[08:20] <pitti> bonjour seb128
[08:20] <pitti> bigon: thanks, I'll have a look
[08:20] <seb128> hey pitti
[08:20] <rodrigo_> chrisccoulson, right, but the call is supposed to have finished, unless you log in and out very quickly, right?
[08:21] <rodrigo_> chrisccoulson, but yes, I'm fixing it by keeping a ref to the GCancellable's, so that we can clean up on shutdown
[08:21] <chrisccoulson> rodrigo_, yeah, that's why i'd like to figure out the condition it happens under
[08:21] <rodrigo_> yeah
[08:21] <chrisccoulson> the issue is is that manager->priv->introspection_data is NULL when the callback fires
[08:22] <seb128> rodrigo_, can you backport the g-s-d commits bastien pointed to fix the segfault you discussed yesterday?
[08:22] <rodrigo_> seb128, it doesn't fix the division by 0, my patch does, which is in the branch
[08:22] <rodrigo_> seb128, so I was thinking on keeping my patch in the package and just remove it with the next version upgrade, which should have the final fix
[08:22] <seb128> rodrigo_, bastien reverted your fix in git and says his commits are the right way to fix it
[08:23] <bigon> pitti: joss told me there is nothing to do
[08:23] <bigon> we need to wait for a new glib version in experimental
[08:23] <bigon> :(
[08:23] <rodrigo_> seb128, yes, but it doesn't, I'm waiting for him to wake up to discuss it
[08:23] <seb128> ok
[08:23] <pitti> bigon: sounds like it requires a stricter build/binary dep at least?
[08:23] <pitti> yay, that fix should unbreak orca
[08:23] <rodrigo_> chrisccoulson, right, so that means it's being called after cleanup
[08:24] <chrisccoulson> indeed
[08:24] <rodrigo_> chrisccoulson, I'll finish my fix and push to the g-s-d branch
[08:24] <chrisccoulson> thanks
[08:24] <bigon> pitti: indeed the dep must be adjuste
[08:24] <bigon> d
[08:25] <pitti> bigon: so it seems the upstream configure.ac check isn't sufficient either?
[08:27] <bigon> maybe Ididn't look at that in deep
[08:28] <seb128> pitti, why did you turn on --enable-gtk-doc in glib and gtk when you did updates? did you run into build issues?
[08:28] <pitti> seb128: because the new upstream versions stopped building it by default
[08:28] <pitti> seb128: previous versions apparenlty did
[08:28] <pitti> seb128: but I'll change it to just ship the orig.tar.gz pre-generated one
[08:28] <jasoncwarner_> hey seb128 or didrocks, after a reboot today I lost the battery indicator...
[08:29] <jasoncwarner_> can I get it back without rebooting?
[08:29] <seb128> pitti, desrt told me they didn't build it by default for a long time
[08:29] <pitti>  seb128: I just fixed bug 769256, working on bug 842543 now
[08:29] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 769256 in gtk+3.0 "Gdk enumerations do not contain GType info in GIR" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/769256
[08:29] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 842543 in ubuntu "Bad generated documentation for all includes in gtk.h" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/842543
[08:29] <seb128> pitti, ok, thanks, I was going to look at it but since you are on it
[08:29] <rodrigo_> bug 836014
[08:29] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 836014 in gnome-settings-daemon "gnome-settings-daemon crashed with SIGSEGV in idle_is_session_inhibited()" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/836014
[08:29] <pitti> seb128: well, the previous version apparently built, but with the new version dh_install failed because the doc files weren't present
[08:29] <seb128> pitti, it might be as simple as "just go back to shipping the tarball htmls"
[08:29] <pitti> seb128: perhaps the new gtk-doc-tools makefiles break installation of the pre-generated sources, etc.
[08:30] <seb128> pitti, ah that's interesting, the .html are in the tarball, at least for glib
[08:30] <pitti> seb128: yes, I'll ship the pregenerated ones, and update dh_install accordingly (install from source dir instead of build dir)
[08:30] <seb128> I didn't check gtk3
[08:30] <pitti> seb128: they are in gtk3, too
[08:30] <seb128> seems like an upstream bug then
[08:30] <pitti> seb128: back then I thought that we shipped the built docs
[08:30] <seb128> there is probably another bug if rebuilding the documentation leads to broken html files
[08:31] <seb128> we usually ship the upstream one since between make dist and the package build there is no content change and no reason the htmls should be differents
[08:31] <seb128> so no need to add build-depends and build time
[08:31] <pitti> *nod*
[08:32] <seb128> pitti, let's check with desrt later on about the make install not installing the documentation if --disable-gtk-doc is used
[08:32] <seb128> that seems an upstream bug
[08:34] <pitti> uh, dbus-daemon went crazy, using 100% cpu
[08:34] <pitti> apparently e-d-s keeps spamming it
[08:35] <pitti> or something else which tries to talk to e-d-s
[08:35] <pitti> indicator-datetime-service presumably
[08:35] <seb128> pitti, indicator-
[08:35] <seb128> right, I was going to say that
[08:35] <seb128> pitti, do you have indicator-weather?
[08:36] <pitti> no
[08:36] <pitti> I have a window
[08:36] <pitti> and weatherbug on my mobile
[08:36] <seb128> I think jjardon was asking if people who get the issue has indicator-weather installed
[08:36] <pitti> ok, killall indicator-datetime-service helped
[08:36] <pitti> it autorespawned, and the indicator seems alright (shows my appointments)
[08:37] <seb128> bug 774071
[08:37] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 774071 in indicator-datetime "Indicator-datetime-service renders 100% CPU usage" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/774071
[08:37] <seb128> pitti, ^
[08:37] <pitti> cheers
[08:38] <seb128> should probably be "high"
[08:38] <seb128> not sure why ted set it to low
[08:38] <seb128> jasoncwarner_, sorry I forgot to go back to you
[08:38] <seb128> jasoncwarner_, you can try to kill unity-panel-service
[08:38] <seb128> jasoncwarner_, it should reload and with luck give you back your indicator
[08:40] <didrocks> (the indicator isn't there when the battery is fully charged if the current behavior I have there is correct)
[08:40] <seb128> pitti, did I say that you rock today yet? ;-)
[08:40] <seb128> (just happy to see the retracers working in a stable way)
[08:40] <pitti> seb128: uh, what did I do?
[08:40] <pitti> ah, heh :)
[08:40] <pitti> merci :)
[08:41] <seb128> cyphermox_, what happened to the evolution upload?
[08:41] <seb128> (well I guess he's sleeping by now)
[08:42] <pitti> libpanel-applet-2 is gone from NBS \o/
[08:42] <seb128> pitti, great work!
[08:42] <seb128> didrocks, jasoncwarner_: no, indicator-power shouldn't hide when the battery is full
[08:42] <pitti> now our remaining things are panel-applet-3 (depends on indicator-applet), the evo libraries, and ptlib/ekiga
[08:42] <didrocks> seb128: hum, that's the behavior I have for the past month though
[08:43] <seb128> didrocks, that's a bug
[08:43] <pitti> there are only 5 libnotify1 rdepends left, I'll see to porting those
[08:43] <didrocks> seb128: was thinking it's indended, will check with ted/ronoc
[08:43] <seb128> didrocks, bug #844377?
[08:43] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 844377 in indicator-power "Power/battery indicator no longer showing" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/844377
[08:43] <seb128> didrocks, check with jjardon he's the indicator-power guy
[08:45] <seb128> didrocks, see bug #811769 as well
[08:45] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 811769 in indicator-power "Power Menu should respect icon-policy hide setting" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/811769
[08:45] <jjardon> didrocks: what is the output of upower -d ?
[08:45] <didrocks> jjardon: right now, I removed the power plug, so I see it, let's wait for it being at 100%
[08:46] <didrocks> jjardon: but jasoncwarner_ doesn't see it, you can ask him :)
[08:46] <seb128> hey jjardon ;-)
[08:46] <seb128> jasoncwarner_, can you pastebin a "upower -d" log?
[08:46] <jasoncwarner_> seb128: sure.,...just rebooted and it sure is gone
[08:47] <pitti> dh_install: libgtk-3-doc missing files (debian/install/shared/usr/share/gtk-doc/html/gtk*), aborting
[08:47] <pitti> seb128: ^ FYI, that's the build failure
[08:47] <seb128> desrt, ^
[08:47] <jasoncwarner_> http://pastebin.com/RNwReRmF
[08:47] <pitti> but no problem, I'll just install them from ./docs/
[08:47] <seb128> pitti, find debian/install/share -name html?
[08:47] <jasoncwarner_> seb128: ^^
[08:47] <seb128> jjardon, ^
[08:48] <pitti> seb128: no *.html at all
[08:48] <seb128> ok, so make install bog
[08:48] <seb128> jasoncwarner_, jjardon: seems like bug #844377
[08:48] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 844377 in indicator-power "Power/battery indicator no longer showing" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/844377
[08:48] <jjardon> seb128: hey ;), ok, the bug is not related to the indicator then, but maybe with upower
[08:48] <jjardon> do we have an update of upower recently?
[08:49] <seb128> jjardon, https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/upower
[08:49] <seb128> jjardon, not for 9 weeks
[08:49] <pitti> jjardon: no, it didn't change for a while
[08:49] <pitti> there's a new upstream version, but it only has one tiny fix which is relevant at runtime
[08:50] <pitti> jjardon: gpm used to have a gconf setting for when to show: always/only when charging/never/etc.
[08:50] <pitti> jjardon: does i-p have something similar? didrocks might have a gsettings key to only show when charging?
[08:50] <seb128> pitti, no, see http://pastebin.com/RNwReRmF
[08:50] <seb128> pitti, they get upower bog
[08:50] <jjardon> pitti: yeah, but that gconf key was removed with the move to g-s-d
[08:51] <seb128> pitti, that's upower -d log
[08:51] <jasoncwarner_> seb128: I had battery up until about, I don't know, 1.5 hours ago?
[08:51] <jasoncwarner_> then I rebooted to test a unity-greeter thing with robert and it went away
[08:52] <seb128> jasoncwarner_, were you working plugged and now unplugged?
[08:52] <jasoncwarner_> (I did an update during that time, but I don't remmeber what came down)
[08:52] <jasoncwarner_> no
[08:52] <seb128> ok, dunno then
[08:52] <jasoncwarner_> seb128: no...always plugged in
[08:52] <seb128> still seems a upower issue and you are not the only one seeing the bug I pointed
[08:53] <jasoncwarner_> ok
[08:53] <jjardon> seb128: I'll ask upstream
[08:54] <seb128> jjardon, do you think you could help getting it debugged?
[08:54] <seb128> jjardon, great, thanks!
[08:54] <didrocks> is it me or LP is dead?
[08:54] <pitti> "Oops"
[08:54] <seb128> it's "oops"
[08:55] <didrocks> ok, we are all oppsing then :)
[08:55] <seb128> ot's back
[08:55] <seb128> it's back
[08:56] <didrocks> and it's off again :/
[08:56] <didrocks> can play this game for long! :-)
[08:58] <rodrigo_> need to run some errands, bbiab
[09:36] <ricotz> pitti, hello, should i file a bug or can you look at it this way http://people.ubuntu.com/~ricotz/clutter/ - it cant be uploaded to debian yet since it is missing a newer atk
[09:37] <seb128> ricotz, pitti: I can look at tit
[09:37] <ricotz> seb128, thanks
[09:38] <ricotz> seb128, do you know if jbicha is fixing gnome-shell?
[09:39] <seb128> ricotz, no idea, what is broken?
[09:39] <ricotz> seb128, quite a bit build-deps are missing
[09:40] <ricotz> so it ftbfs
[09:40] <seb128> ok
[09:40] <seb128> well I'm sure he will fix it
[09:40] <ricotz> doko_, hello :), so armhf will be available on 12.04
[09:40] <ricotz> seb128, good
[09:52] <seb128> jjardon, thanks for bringing the upower issue upstream
[09:52] <jjardon> seb128: the problem is with upower and the new glib version, we need the latest upower
[09:52] <seb128> pitti, we need a new upower, upowerd exit on the same missing symbol from glib that evolution
[09:52] <seb128> jjardon, I've been reading #control-center, thanks ;-)
[09:52] <seb128> pitti, do you want to do the update?
[09:52] <jjardon> seb128: oh, great ;)
[09:53] <seb128> pitti, we need http://cgit.freedesktop.org/upower/commit/?id=785ecbb6d5f635f7c8076009f696001d2247fd31 in fact
[09:53] <seb128> jasoncwarner_, ^ upowerd broke yesterday due to the glib update
[09:54] <seb128> didrocks, your issue is probably different since you had it before today
[09:54] <didrocks> seb128: right
[09:54] <pitti> seb128: can do (sorry, I'm in meeting)
[09:54] <seb128> ricotz, pitti: I uploaded clutter
[09:55] <seb128> pitti, no hurry for upower, danke
[09:57] <ricotz> seb128, ty
[10:00] <koolhead11> hey all
[10:01] <didrocks> hum, sending an email, and thunderbird crashed
[10:02] <didrocks> and click on "restart" and no restart, nice :/
[10:03] <ogra_> you probably need to install the restart and the send extensions *g*
[10:05] <seb128> it's all chrisccoulson's fault!
[10:11] <didrocks> all of it! :)
[10:11] <koolhead11> does it makes sense to use gconf after unity arrival for future LTS?
[10:14] <rodrigo_> chrisccoulson, do you get the crash in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-settings-daemon/+bug/832603 ?
[10:14] <ubot2`> Ubuntu bug 832603 in gnome-settings-daemon "gnome-settings-daemon crashed with SIGSEGV in g_simple_async_result_complete()" [High,Triaged]
[10:14] <chrisccoulson> rodrigo_, no, i've never had that before
[10:14] <rodrigo_> ok
[10:16] <jasoncwarner_> pitti: thanks for being on there...I know you hate the conf system :)
[10:17] <pitti> jasoncwarner_: it was quite hard to understand you; Jane and Rick were okay
[10:18] <pitti> jasoncwarner_: at least I figured out how to use empathy for it (it actually Just Works, just had the wrong conf code)
[10:23] <pitti> seb128: so, I can't upload that upowerd to Debian yet; will do an ubuntu upload then
[10:23] <pitti> but will update upower at Debian to the current upstream version first
[10:24] <seb128> pitti, why can't you upload to Debian?
[10:24] <pitti> seb128: debian's glib is at 2.28 still
[10:24] <pitti> ah, and the new upstream version also doesn't work for Deiban
[10:25] <pitti> but no problem
[10:25] <seb128> pitti, the commit I pointed suggests that they check the glib version and adapt to it
[10:26] <seb128> pitti, so it should work on 2.28 as well
[10:26] <seb128> just use different codepaths
[10:26] <pitti> ooh, right
[10:28] <pitti> seb128: I wonder why it doesn't crash for me, thoug
[10:28] <pitti> h
[10:33] <rodrigo_> unity is always started by gnome-session right?
[10:37] <didrocks> rodrigo_: yeah
[10:41] <czajkowski> Laney: you still seeing the apport mesage of doom today ?
[10:43] <Laney> haven't used my laptop
[10:43] <Laney> but I didn't get it when re-logging-in yesterday
[10:50] <czajkowski> hmm ot it again this morning
[10:50] <czajkowski> :/
[10:51] <rodrigo_> hmm, edit_acl says vala is on the desktop set, but it rejects my upload
[10:52] <rodrigo_> so can someone upload lp:~ubuntu-desktop/vala/ubuntu please?
[10:52]  * davmor2 tickles czajkowski 
[10:53] <czajkowski> davmor2: I'm in too good a mood to mind, still on a high fro getting  a new job
[10:55] <chrisccoulson> czajkowski, oh, congratulations :)
[10:59] <czajkowski> chrisccoulson: thanks
[11:01] <czajkowski> davmor2: do me a favour there, open up software center and search planner for me please :)
[11:03] <pitti> seb128: upower uploaded to debian/ubuntu
[11:05] <davmor2> czajkowski: yeap and?
[11:06] <seb128> pitti, danke
[11:06] <seb128> rodrigo_, will do, vala is but you updated vala-0.14 right?
[11:06] <seb128> rodrigo_, can you email cjwatson about having that one added to the seed?
[11:06] <seb128> pedro_, hola
[11:06] <pedro_> hello seb128!
[11:06] <rodrigo_> seb128, seems it's already in the desktop set, not sure what's up
[11:06] <pedro_> morning all :-)
[11:07] <rodrigo_> seb128, yes, to vala 0.13.4
[11:07] <seb128> pedro_, I've started assigning you some bugs to forward, you can unassign them once forwarded, I figured it would be easier for you to not miss the ones to forward?
[11:07] <rodrigo_> seb128, needed by the new fols
[11:07] <seb128> rodrigo_, ok
[11:07] <davmor2> czajkowski: I get project management, planner development library, pondus, mofit day planner, net plan, gsql etc
[11:07] <pitti> seb128: after lunch, I plan to merge our librsvg changes to Debian and update to the new version
[11:07] <pedro_> seb128, i'm checking for bugs with an open empty upstream task and forwarding those, but assign also works for me ;-)
[11:07] <pitti> seb128: do you have anything else for me which is urgent?
[11:07] <seb128> pitti, great, thanks
[11:08] <seb128> pitti, no
[11:08]  * pitti lunches
[11:08] <seb128> pedro_, well I'm also using assignee when upstream wanted extra infos and somebody needs to follow
[11:08] <czajkowski> davmor2: but do you see them all twice on the list?
[11:08] <seb128> pedro_, I just use that for bugs I would like to see fixed not for all the noise don't worry ;-)
[11:08] <seb128> pitti, enjoy!
[11:08] <pitti> seb128: can we easily fix vala and glib2.0 on versions.html ?
[11:09] <pedro_> seb128, lets use the assign method then
[11:09] <pedro_> hola rodrigo_!
[11:09] <rodrigo_> hey pedro_
[11:09] <seb128> pitti, yes, I will do those
[11:09] <davmor2> czajkowski: known bug for multiarch mvo was going to look into it, I'll have a word with tremolux latter and see if he knows what happened
[11:10] <czajkowski> davmor2: ah ok still here on oneiric so
[11:10] <seb128> rodrigo_, I've unassigned some bugs from you btw ;-)
[11:10] <seb128> rodrigo_, i'm triaging the g-c-c bugs
[11:10] <davmor2> czajkowski: if you look one has :i386
[11:10] <rodrigo_> seb128, cool! I owe you some beers then!! :)
[11:10] <seb128> rodrigo_, pedro_: I will add an apport hook btw
[11:10] <Laney> ricotz: I just fixed gnome-shell build-deps, but now get "dh_girepository: Could not find Gee-1.0.typelib dependency
[11:10] <davmor2> czajkowski: it's a oneiric only bug due to the switch to multiarch
[11:10] <Laney> " — do you know what that means?
[11:10]  * Laney has never touched gir stuff before
[11:10] <seb128> pedro_, rodrigo_: to reassign segfaults to the package which has the .so which segfaulted
[11:10] <rodrigo_> seb128, ok
[11:11] <czajkowski> davmor2: if I install them, click view and go back arrow to the list, they only appear once.
[11:11] <seb128> Laney, libgee-dev should depends on gir...-gee-...
[11:11] <pedro_> seb128, cool, thanks!
[11:11] <ricotz> Laney, add a builddepend on gir1.2-gee-1.0 or libgee-dev
[11:11] <Laney> seb128: a bug in gee then?
[11:11] <seb128> Laney, yes
[11:11] <Laney> ok
[11:11] <ricotz> seb128, no
[11:11] <seb128> Laney, new debian policy, the -dev should depends on the gir
[11:11] <seb128> Laney, do you want me to fix it?
[11:11] <Laney> would be easier if you don't mind
[11:11] <ricotz> i think libgee is depend on it
[11:11] <seb128> will do
[11:12] <seb128> ricotz,
[11:12] <seb128> $ apt-cache show libgee-dev | grep Depends
[11:12] <seb128> Depends: libgee2 (= 0.6.1-2ubuntu1), libglib2.0-dev (>= 2.12.0)
[11:12] <ricotz> iirc, gee isnt a real build-dep of g-s
[11:12] <seb128> no
[11:12] <ricotz> hmm, i see
[11:12] <seb128> well in any case that's buggy, I will add the gir depends
[11:13] <ricotz> but still it is only a introspection dep which isnt checked in configure
[11:13] <Laney> g-s doesn't have the build-dep either, true
[11:13] <Laney> but you should only be depending on the -dev, right?
[11:13] <Laney> build-depending
[11:13] <ricotz> Laney, actually gir1.2-gee-1.0
[11:14] <seb128> rodrigo_, pedro_: could you discuss what infos would be useful for g-s-d and g-c-c bugs? we might want to improve the hook to let select the type of bug, i.e if it's the sound, screen, etc and tag them or add upower and colord etc logs?
[11:14] <ricotz> Laney, look at https://edge.launchpad.net/~ricotz/+archive/testing/+files/gnome-shell_3.1.91%2Bgit20110908.5e220e9e-0ubuntu1%7E11.10%7Ericotz0.debian.tar.gz
[11:14] <seb128> Laney, yes, the dev depends on the gir so no need to b-d on the gir
[11:14] <rodrigo_> seb128, yes, I guess we can guess which plugin is based on the .so
[11:15] <ricotz> Laney, ignore the caribou deps though
[11:15] <Laney> i know that you could depend on the gir directly, but it seems like the -dev would be better
[11:15] <seb128> rodrigo_, yeah, we do that for nautilus for years, I will just copy that part of the hook
[11:15] <rodrigo_> seb128, and can we conditionally add colord/upower stuff based on the .so?
[11:15] <rodrigo_> seb128, ok!
[11:15] <seb128> rodrigo_, then pedro_ can probably improve to add other infos
[11:15] <rodrigo_> .xsession-errors is useful also
[11:15] <ricotz> Laney, yeah, will need a gee update first then
[11:15] <seb128> rodrigo_, do we need those conditionally? we could just include some standard logs for all g-c-c and g-s-d bugs
[11:16] <rodrigo_> seb128, well, they don't make sense for the sound plugin, for instance, but I guess it's ok
[11:17] <seb128> rodrigo_, well the issue is that you get the .so info only for segfaults
[11:17] <seb128> rodrigo_, not for bugs like "the screen doesn't dim as it should"
[11:18] <seb128> rodrigo_, the other option would be to have an apport question "what is your issue" and list
[11:18] <seb128> - display
[11:18] <seb128> - sound
[11:18] <seb128> - color
[11:18] <seb128> etc
[11:18] <seb128> or the common ones and "others"
[11:18] <seb128> rodrigo_, but collecting some infos and adding a few logs to the bug in any case doesn't cost a lot
[11:19] <seb128> the commands are cheap to run and the log are small enough
[11:20] <rodrigo_> seb128, yeah, right
[11:21] <rodrigo_> better to have more info than lack of :)
[11:22] <seb128> pedro_, ^ can you think a bit about it and check what logs we might need based on what upstream asked for recent bugs?
[11:23] <pedro_> seb128, yup, will review some bugs to see if there are common patterns we can automate in the hook
[11:23] <seb128> pedro_, I guess upowerd can be useful for power bugs, colord log for color bugs
[11:24] <seb128> pedro_, xrandr for display
[11:27] <jml> Sometimes my screen jitters. Like it moves down then up again really quickly.
[11:27] <jml> It's new in the last week or so.
[11:27] <jml> How can I file a useful bug about this?
[11:28] <jml> (I can't see to make it do so on demand)
[11:29] <seb128> jml, look for apport files and .xsession-errors errors when it happens
[11:30] <seb128> jml, one possibility is that the unity-panel-service goes down, the menu would go back in the applications when that happens, it respawns and the menus and export to unity again
[11:30] <seb128> jml, that can give a "things jump on screen" effect
[11:30] <seb128> the menus
[11:31] <jml> seb128: ah, ok, that might be it. where would I look for apport files?
[11:31] <seb128> jml, /var/crash
[11:31] <jml> (also, .xsession-errors is showing this error over and over again, http://paste.ubuntu.com/685185/)
[11:31] <jml> seb128: ta
[11:31] <seb128> jml, ~/.xsession-errors also
[11:31] <seb128> yw
[11:31] <seb128> hum, seems an apport bug
[11:31] <seb128> pitti, ^
[11:31] <seb128>     n = GLib.markup_escape_text(n).decode('UTF-8')
[11:31] <seb128>   File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/gi/types.py", line 44, in function
[11:31] <seb128>     return info.invoke(*args)
[11:31] <seb128> TypeError: markup_escape_text() takes exactly 2 argument(s) (1 given)
[11:32] <seb128> ok, lunch time
[11:32] <seb128> bbl
[12:03] <pitti> jml: are you on current oneiric? that apport bug was fixed a while ago
[12:07] <jml> pitti: fsvo 'current'
[12:07] <jml> pitti: I mean, I haven't upgraded since yesterday
[12:07] <pitti> jml: yesterday should be fine, though
[12:08] <pitti> glib was updated the day before
[12:08] <czajkowski> pitti: if it's the same issue as I had yesterday, saw it again on start up today, killed it and it seems to have died.
[12:08] <pitti> well, might still be laggy mirror
[12:08] <jml> pitti: archive.ubuntu.com?
[12:08] <pitti> jml: no, that should be fine
[12:08] <jml> oh, no, glib updates in the upgrade I'm doing now.
[12:08] <pitti> czajkowski: I don't think it is; you had something else
[12:09] <czajkowski> ah ok
[12:09] <czajkowski> I am getting tempted to wipe this machine and put a fresh install on it. it started off as a Karmic machine. But I dont want to lose all my thunderbird emails/folders/settings/rules
[12:11] <Tommeh> czajkowski: IIRC it works well enough just backing up your /home/username/.thunderbird folder ?
[12:11] <Tommeh> Backing-up/restoring
[12:11] <czajkowski> hmm tempting I seem to find quirky bugs on this machine every time I upgrade
[12:11] <Tommeh> I used to run fakeraid. Upgrades were always fun :)
[12:12] <pitti> czajkowski: my /home/ is still from pre-warty :)
[12:12]  * pitti keeps /home on a separate partition
[12:12] <czajkowski> smart
[12:12] <Tommeh> Dedication
[12:12] <pitti> czajkowski: but if you just have one big one, you can still reinstall
[12:12] <pitti> in the manual install, select your current one, but don't format it
[12:12] <czajkowski> ahh ok
[12:12] <czajkowski> good to know. Thanks
[12:12] <pitti> ubiquity will then keep /home etc., just replace /usr and so on
[12:12] <Tommeh> pitti: neat
[12:13] <czajkowski> pitti: you make it sound soo simple :)
[12:13]  * Tommeh would still rsync /home to somewhere else :)
[12:13] <Tommeh> Just in case.
[12:13] <pitti> czajkowski: well, I reinstall my machine two times a cycle for testing; it needs to be simple :)
[12:13] <pitti> Tommeh: yeah, always better
[12:13] <czajkowski> fair point
[12:14] <czajkowski> actually anyone else notice when your laptop is pluged in and charging and full it no longer looks like it's plugged into mains
[12:14] <pitti> I collect all my extra setup in http://piware.de/bzr/bin/postinst-setup
[12:14] <czajkowski> it's like as if you disconnected it and have a full battery
[12:14] <pitti> so after a virgin ubuntu install I just run that, and get my working environment back
[12:15] <pitti> czajkowski: sounds similar to what didrocks observed
[12:16] <didrocks> indeed
[12:16] <czajkowski> pitti: it's flipping annoying and confusing as I forget I'm plugged in and go and yank my machine and realise i'm pugged in
[12:16] <czajkowski> didrocks: did you file a bug so I cna mark effects moi
[12:17] <didrocks> czajkowski: no, was waiting to confirm it's still the case, and yes, it is, jjardon, what do you need already? upower -d ?
[12:18] <didrocks> jjardon: http://paste.ubuntu.com/685221/ already
[12:19] <seb128> re
[12:20] <didrocks> re seb128
[12:20] <seb128> hey didrocks ;-)
[12:22] <jjardon> didrocks: so this is the output of upower -d and you didnt see any icon?
[12:22] <didrocks> jjardon: right
[12:28] <jjardon> didrocks: thats strange, because the battery is not even fully charged
[12:28] <didrocks> jjardon: hum, I'm plugged for some hours now
[12:29] <didrocks> jjardon: if I unplug it, it will start at 99%
[12:30] <jjardon> didrocks: this should be your output: http://paste.ubuntu.com/685229/ note the "state:               fully-charged" line
[12:30] <jjardon> Id file a bug against upower
[12:31] <pitti> seb128: do you still happen to remember why we need the extra postinst in bug 719861?
[12:31] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 719861 in librsvg "After installation icon theme default to gnome-icon-theme and cannot be changed" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/719861
[12:31] <didrocks> jjardon: so, anyway, I should see the indicator still, isn't it?
[12:32] <pitti> seb128: that (and a rather obvious patch) are our remaining delta, and I'd like to commit it to Debian
[12:32] <jjardon> didrocks: yeah, you should
[12:32] <didrocks> jjardon: what do you need for debugging?
[12:32] <didrocks> jjardon: seems czajkowski has the same issue (fully charged, nothing shown)
[12:32] <jjardon> didrocks: Do you can see the icon before, or the behaviour changed after some updates?
[12:33] <jjardon> I asking because the upower package has not been updated for some time
[12:33] <seb128> pitti, because we have no garantee the gdk-pixbuf trigger will be in place by the time librsvg is unpackaged
[12:33] <seb128> unpacked
[12:33] <jjardon> indicator-power I mean
[12:33] <seb128> pitti, which in practice leads to have no svg loader registered after installation
[12:33] <pitti> seb128: ah, thanks!
[12:34] <pitti> seb128: because librsvg doesn't depend on gdk-pixbuf
[12:34] <seb128> pitti, yw
[12:34] <pitti> (and shouldn't)
[12:34] <seb128> right
[12:34] <pitti> well, actually it does
[12:34] <didrocks> jjardon: it's there for a month I would say, I was thinking it was the normal behavior
[12:34] <didrocks> jjardon: like, fully charged, no more icon
[12:35] <seb128> pitti, we discussed,debugged it for a while with you and cjwatson previous cycle and didn't come to a better solution, I think I summarize the issue in bug by then
[12:35] <czajkowski> didrocks: I've only upgraded since saturday for UGJ been bugging me since
[12:35] <pitti> seb128: yes, I remember that we figured out why it happened, and that we need the postinst, I just don't remember
[12:35] <pitti> seb128: the dependency to libgdk-pixbuf2.0-0 is there
[12:37] <seb128> pitti, read comment #9
[12:37] <pitti> seb128: oh, -common has the trigger, not the lib
[12:38] <seb128> pitti, there was also that libgl issue, the trigger failed on missing lib
[12:38] <seb128> pitti, that's probably workaround in natty and oneiric since we build cairo without gl again
[12:38] <pitti> seb128: hah, tricky
[12:38] <seb128> workarounded
[12:39] <jjardon> seb128: seems that libtiff4-dev has a unmet dependency: libjpeg-dev
[12:39] <jjardon> (I have libjpeg8-dev installed)
[12:41] <seb128> jjardon, install libjpeg62-dev
[12:42] <jjardon> seb128: that worked, thanks
[12:42] <seb128> jjardon, you're welcome ;-)
[12:46] <htorque> jjardon: sorry to interrupt, the gap you can see in the screenshot in bug 844377 and that i mentioned for the desktop case has been fixed in unity trunk (at least i'm no longer seeing it).
[12:46] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 844377 in indicator-power "Power/battery indicator no longer showing" [High,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/844377
[12:48] <jjardon> htorque: ok, thanks. You will have the icon again when the new upower package was available
[12:53] <jjardon> didrocks: hey, I think I found the problem: seems that your battery is a bit broken so doesnt report the remaining time correctly. I'm working on a fix
[12:54] <didrocks> jjardon: more than posible, seems battery don't work really well on inspiron…
[12:54] <jjardon> didrocks: Could you file a bug report with the output of upower -d ? Or you already reported the issue?
[12:54] <didrocks> jjardon: I didn't yet, doing now
[12:55] <jjardon> czajkowski: about your problem, Its a different issue. It will work again when the new upower package was available
[12:56] <didrocks> jjardon: bug #844769
[12:56] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 844769 in indicator-power "No battery icon once fully charged" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/844769
[12:57] <jjardon> didrocks: thanks!
[12:58] <czajkowski> jjardon: :( ok
[13:35] <njpatel> jbicha, it was ordered by the module they were in, so [appmenu]<space>[appindicators inc.network-man][message][power][soundmenu][datetime][user][sesion]
[13:35] <njpatel> jbicha, and now, we can mix different indicators of modules between eachother, so it's now like:
[13:35] <dobey> seb128: ok, who do i have to bug to get all the couchdb stuff demoted? :)
[13:35] <njpatel> [appmenu]<space>[appindicator sans network-manager][keyboard][message][power][bluetooth][network][sound][datetime][user][session]
[13:35] <njpatel> jbicha, ^
[13:35] <pitti> seb128: I have librsvg ready in Debian, but either I need to update our gtk+2.0, or add code to debian/rules to make the Breaks: conditional; I guess I'll update gtk+2.0 then
[13:35] <seb128> dobey, open a bug, list what you want demoted, subscribe ubuntu-archive
[13:35] <seb128> pitti, there is a new version that need to be packaged for it ;-)
[13:35] <dobey> seb128: great, thanks
[13:35] <pitti> seb128: yes, that's what I meant
[13:35] <dobey> seb128: and i need to list binary packages, not source, right?
[13:35] <seb128> dobey, both ideally
[13:35] <cyphermox_> seb128: finishing up on it now (evo)
[13:35] <seb128> cyphermox_, thanks
[13:35] <dobey> seb128: ok
[13:35] <seb128> cyphermox_, would be nice to have it back since it's not starting for 2 days now, which is quite annoying when you need emails for work ;-)
[13:35] <cyphermox_> pfft... use thunderbird ;)
[13:35] <seb128> lol
[13:35] <seb128> it's all a plan
[13:36] <cyphermox_> yup hehe
[13:36] <seb128> chrisccoulson promised you beers to break evolution?
[13:36] <cyphermox_> dunno, but maybe I should tax him for beers
[13:36] <seb128> he's lying to you!
[13:36] <dobey> chrisccoulson: is the TB extension for the desktopcouch bits packaged?
[13:40] <chrisccoulson> dobey, we already ship the eds contacts integration which allows you to access existing addressbooks
[13:41] <chrisccoulson> i haven't packaged the thunderbird-couchdb extension yet though, which basically does what the evolution-couchdb plugin does
[13:45] <jml> hmm.
[13:45] <jml> so this "jittering" doesn't seem to be associated with any crashes
[13:46] <jml> and seems more likely when my computer is under load
[13:50] <jjardon> didrocks: fix committed
[13:50] <didrocks> jjardon: oh nice!
[13:52] <jbicha> does ~ubuntu-desktop have archive committing rights for the desktop set?
[13:52] <seb128> jbicha, yes
[13:53] <pitti> jbicha: yes, you can dput these packages, too
[13:53] <dobey> chrisccoulson: ah ok. it can just stay in universe when you do then :)
[13:57] <chrisccoulson> dobey, yeah, that was the plan
[13:57] <chrisccoulson> hmmm, wth, metacity has slowed right down here :/
[13:57] <chrisccoulson> moving windows is incredibly jerky
[13:57] <jbicha> seb128: ok, I committed to the ubuntu-desktop/vinagre branch, how do I upload?
[13:58] <seb128> jbicha, dput on the .changes
[13:58] <chrisccoulson> oh, congratulations btw jbicha
[13:58] <seb128> jbicha, as you would do for a ppa but without the ppa:... ;-)
[13:58] <jbicha> chrisccoulson: thanks
[13:59] <cyphermox_> congrats jbicha
[14:00] <pitti> jbicha: hang on
[14:01] <pitti> jbicha: do you know about the "dch -r / debcommit -r" procedure?
[14:01] <pitti> jbicha: i. e. once you upload, the former changes UNRELEASED to oneiric (and updates timestamp, etc.), and the latter commits that change as "release 1.2.3-4"
[14:01] <pitti> and tags it with the version number
[14:01] <pitti> that way you can reconstruct every upload from bzr
[14:02] <pitti> bzr branch -r tag:1.2.3-4 or something
[14:02] <jbicha> pitti: thanks, I found that part on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Bzr
[14:02] <jbicha> it didn't mention dput but that apparently is pretty easy
[14:03] <pitti> jbicha: right, as that's not special to bzr
[14:06] <jbicha> pitti: some changes should have a second person confirm before upload, right? what's the threshold for that?
[14:07] <seb128> jbicha, use your own judgment, when you feel like it would be good to have a second opinion ask there
[14:07] <seb128> jbicha, if you get it wrong we will tell you ;-)
[14:08] <seb128> but if you are unsure ask for the first times and we will tell you if that's a case where you don't need to bother
[14:12] <jcastro> Argh! Dobey.
[14:12] <jcastro> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/banshee/+bug/788532
[14:12] <ubot2`> Ubuntu bug 788532 in banshee "U1 music store plugin severely delays banshee startup" [Medium,Confirmed]
[14:12] <jcastro> this has been your fault the entire time!
[14:16] <dobey> jcastro: it's not my fault
[14:16] <jcastro> I have a 6gb SATA SSD, it takes like 20 seconds for my banshee to launch
[14:16] <jcastro> it takes me longer to launch my music player than to boot my entire laptop
[14:17] <dobey> in fact, nothing in the code I wrote for that, should actually be causing it to slow down
[14:17] <dobey> at least, not significantly
[14:17] <dobey> the code is using asynchronous GIO APIs to scan the files
[14:18] <dobey> well, until it has to talk to ubuntuone-syncdaemon, which i think is probably synchronous
[14:20] <dobey> if i had an infinite amount of time to make everything perfect, it wouldn't matter anyway, because we wouldn't use banshee as i'd just write a music player that wasn't awful :)
[14:24] <Laney> it hangs for ages waiting for the syncdaemon
[14:24] <Laney> you can see that if you start up with --debug
[14:27] <jcastro> dobey: ok so basically you don't like the import feature so instead of fixing it you're going to just make the experience suck for everyone else?
[14:27] <dobey> jcastro: no, the import feature is a separate problem, and just makes the issue worse
[14:28] <dobey> jcastro: the problem is i don't have time to fix it, and the way banshee works makes it basically impossible to do correctly
[14:41] <jjardon> I getting this error compiling dbus-glib: http://paste.ubuntu.com/685326/ should I report a bug?
[14:42] <tremolux> tremolux
[14:42] <tremolux> (is me)  ;)
[14:45] <czajkowski> davmor2: found that bug number which duplicates a search in the Sw center?
[14:45] <czajkowski> *search results
[14:45] <chrisccoulson> tremolux, are you talking to yourself? ;)
[14:45] <davmor2> czajkowski: theres a couple
[14:45] <czajkowski> davmor2: more duplicates :p
[14:45] <tremolux> chrisccoulson: indeed  :p
[14:46] <chrisccoulson> tremolux, perhaps you need a vacation :)
[14:46] <tremolux> czajkowski: do you mean this one: bug 840235
[14:46] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 840235 in software-center "When entering software name in search text field ex."VLC" 2 search results with the same name appear" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/840235
[14:47] <czajkowski> tremolux: yes happenign in oneiric
[14:47] <czajkowski> *happening
[14:47] <davmor2> czajkowski: couple of bugs  If you have time to look at them,  bug 840235 and bug 830508 the latter should be fixed
[14:47] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 830508 in software-center "s-c shows duplicate packages (i386 multiarch on amd64 install)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/830508
[14:47] <czajkowski> really shouldn't eat while typing
[14:47] <jpds> Surely you shouldn't type, while eating?
[14:47] <rodrigo_> so, what's the libunity version with the new/broken API?
[14:48] <tremolux> czajkowski: the duplicated search results issue, bug 840235, is fixed in trunk and we plan to release tomorrow
[14:48] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 840235 in software-center "When entering software name in search text field ex."VLC" 2 search results with the same name appear" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/840235
[14:48] <czajkowski> tremolux: grand so I shouldn't comment on it now so ?
[14:48] <davmor2> jpds: czajkowski name is Laura not Shirley  (doesn't work as well when you need to type it)
[14:49] <czajkowski> davmor2: next time you're in Millbank I will come in ther and give you such a wallop!
[14:49] <tremolux> czajkowski: the multiarch bug, bug 830508, is a database issue and is not yet fixed
[14:49] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 830508 in software-center "s-c shows duplicate packages (i386 multiarch on amd64 install)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/830508
[14:49] <jpds> czajkowski: A /wallops ?
[14:49] <tremolux> ha! "wallop", I love that word
[14:49] <lucas71> test
[14:49] <lucas71> hello everyone
[14:50] <lucas71>  could you tell me how to late "listening" of line-in
[14:50] <czajkowski> tremolux: I have others, but can't use them in here! but all are appropiate towards davmor2 :)
[14:50] <davmor2> tremolux: you won't love it so much if you're on the receiving end ;)
[14:50] <chrisccoulson> "wallop"? It's all getting a bit violent in here isn't it? ;)
[14:50] <chrisccoulson> this is usually a wonderful, friendly and happy place :)
[14:51] <davmor2> chrisccoulson: I bring out the best in people :D
[14:51] <chrisccoulson> lol
[14:51] <tremolux> :-D
[14:51] <czajkowski> chrisccoulson: there is a reason I created other channels when I need t properly express myself in my irish way :)
[14:51] <chrisccoulson> heh :)
[14:56] <seb128> jjardon, let me check
[14:57] <rodrigo_> so, libunity broke the API but it still has the same so version?
[14:57] <seb128> pitti, it seems you didn't push your gnome-icon-theme update to the vcs, do you still have it on disk and can push or should I just import the revision?
[14:57] <seb128> rodrigo_, no, it has a new soname, it didn't get uploaded yet though
[14:57] <rodrigo_> ah
[14:58] <seb128> rodrigo_, it's a preventive "work coming today" from didrocks ;-)
[14:58] <rodrigo_> ok
[15:04] <dobey> anyone want to do an easy sponsoring? :) https://code.launchpad.net/~dobey/ubuntu/oneiric/banshee/suggest-u1ms/+merge/74618
[15:05] <seb128> Laney, ^
[15:10] <seb128> cyphermox_, thanks for the evolution updates!
[15:14] <dobey> wtf
[15:14] <dobey> launchpad gives me a permissions error when i try to move a bug to ubuntu/thunderbird
[15:15] <seb128> what bug?
[15:15] <dobey> chrisccoulson: it must be your fault
[15:15] <seb128> i.e bug number
[15:15] <dobey> bug #743096
[15:15] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 743096 in ubuntuone-client "contacts only sync with evolution not with thunderbird" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/743096
[15:15] <chrisccoulson> it's always my fault ;)
[15:15] <dobey> was trying to move it and assign to chrisccoulson and mark as fix committed
[15:15] <dobey> weird
[15:15] <seb128> dobey, do you select the * distribution and enter a package name?
[15:16] <chrisccoulson> dobey, is desktopcouch working now?
[15:16] <seb128> rather than the * project
[15:16] <dobey> it worked if i assigned to nobody instead of chrisccoulson
[15:16] <dobey> chrisccoulson: no, but tb works with e-d-s already right?
[15:16] <chrisccoulson> dobey, yeah
[15:16] <dobey> chrisccoulson: so if it's already set up, the fix in thunderbird is "committed" :)
[15:17] <dobey> or released even, but desktopcouch is still busted
[15:17] <dobey> seb128: ah, right, stupid launchpad UI keeps confusing me with that :(
[15:20] <chrisccoulson> dobey, i've kept the tbird task open for now, so i can use that for tracking the packaging of the thunderbird-couchdb addon
[15:21] <dobey> chrisccoulson: ok. i just wanted to move it off of ubuntuone-client, which it is clearly unrelated to :)
[15:21] <chrisccoulson> sure, no problem :)
[15:23] <chrisccoulson> dobey, is there a bug for tracking the desktopcouch bustage?
[15:23] <chrisccoulson> we should be tracking that for oneiric really, if people are expecting U1 contact sync to work in tbird
[15:24] <chrisccoulson> bug 825280 is caused by it
[15:24] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 825280 in thunderbird "Repeated Ubuntu One address book errors" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/825280
[15:24] <dobey> chrisccoulson: yes, mark any bugs like that as dup of 817656
[15:24] <chrisccoulson> thanks
[15:31] <chrisccoulson> hmmm, i should probably review the couchdb merge, seeing as i did the spidermonkey 1.8.5 port
[15:32] <dobey> well i just dded the ffe bits to that bug. will file the demotion bug as soon as i return from lunch :)
[15:32] <jjardon> seb128: nevermind
[15:32] <jjardon> seems to be fixed in the current dbus-glib package
[15:32] <jjardon> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=34282
[15:32] <ubot2`> Freedesktop bug 34282 in GLib "[PATCH] Fix linking order" [Normal,Resolved: fixed]
[15:33] <seb128> jjardon, sorry I got busy with other things and forgot about that
[15:33] <seb128> jjardon, we have this version in oneiric no?
[15:33] <seb128> jjardon, what did you try to build before?
[15:34] <jjardon> seb128: the version gnome has in jhbuild
[15:34] <seb128> oh ok
[15:34] <seb128> jhbuild probably needs an update then
[15:34] <seb128> ;-)
[15:34] <jjardon> seb128: yeah ;)
[15:35] <jjardon> seb128: ubuntu has the up-to-date package with the fix: 0.94
[15:35] <seb128> great
[15:37] <chrisccoulson> right, exercise time
[15:37] <chrisccoulson> back in an hour or so
[15:38] <seb128> chrisccoulson, "enjoy"? ;-)
[15:38] <chrisccoulson> lol
[15:38] <chrisccoulson> actually, it's starting to make quite a refreshing change from drinking beer ;)
[15:39] <chrisccoulson> and i'm 7kg lighter for it :)
[15:40] <seb128> chrisccoulson, nice! keep in this way!
[15:40] <seb128> what sort of exercice do you do?
[15:40] <rickspencer3> chrisccoulson, I agree with seb128, I've felt so much better and more productive since I've been exercising regularly
[15:41] <rickspencer3> though, I haven't exactly *replaced* beer drinking with exercise
[15:41] <rickspencer3> more of a supplement ;)
[15:41] <seb128> tremolux, pitti: will software-center will have its binary renamed "software-center" for oneiric?
[15:42]  * ronoc listens
[15:42] <seb128> tremolux, pitti: ronoc is asking what command the indicator-session entry should call
[15:42] <tremolux> seb128: yes, that's done now and in trunk
[15:42] <seb128> ronoc, ^
[15:42] <tremolux> ronoc, seb128: release is planned for tomorrow around this time
[15:42] <ronoc> tremolux, seb128, sweet
[15:43] <ronoc> seb128, is it okay to put that into my release today, things will 'break' for 21 hours
[15:43] <seb128> ronoc, yeah
[15:43] <ronoc> grand
[15:43] <seb128> ronoc, just put "will be fixed in the next s-c update"
[15:43] <ronoc> will do
[15:44] <jbicha> njpatel: do you know if the bluetooth indicator menu is planned to be moved as well?
[15:44] <tremolux> ronoc, seb128: thanks guys  :)
[15:44] <njpatel> jbicha, yeah, it's inbetween power and network now
[15:45] <ronoc> np :)
[15:45] <jbicha> njpatel: thanks
[15:53] <ronoc> tremolux, I don't actually have to make any changes for that anyway, it was 'software-center' all along :)
[15:53] <tremolux> ronoc: ah, great!
[16:08] <pitti> dobey: ooh, couchdb into universe? +1000
[16:08] <pitti> dobey: but won't it be pulled in through the ubuntuone-installer?
[16:08] <rodrigo_> pitti, dobey: the new one from debian?
[16:08] <pitti> or do you stop using it now?
[16:09] <seb128> pitti, did you see my g-i-t question?
[16:09] <pitti> seb128: oops, pushing
[16:09] <seb128> pitti, danke
[16:09] <pitti> seb128: done, sorry
[16:10] <seb128> no worry, thanks
[16:10] <pitti> seb128: still catching up with IRC, I was out for a bit
[16:10] <pitti> (and shouldn't really be working any more, but erk the new gtk2 doesn't build any more)
[16:10] <seb128> pitti, (that can wait tomorrow)
[16:11] <pitti> yeah, and I'll stop as soon as Annett is done with her mail reading
[16:25] <dobey> pitti: installed by the installer for now, yes
[16:25] <pitti> dobey: hm, but as long as U1 actually relies on them, they ought to be in main IMHO
[16:25] <dobey> pitti: but putting it in universe will be easier for everyone i think
[16:25] <pitti> they have to be maintained either way
[16:26] <dpm_> mterry, rickspencer3, all set for your UADW sessions later on?
[16:26] <dobey> pitti: yes, but in universe we don't need MIRs for new versions of couchdb (which i don't really understand why we'd need anyway)
[16:26] <pitti> dobey: you don't need a MIR for new versions
[16:26] <mterry> dpm_, yeah, have to look up the classroom commands again though  :)
[16:26] <pitti> dobey: you need an FFE, and that applies to universe as well
[16:27] <rickspencer3> dpm_, yes
[16:27] <dobey> pitti: then why did dholbach mention the MainInclusionProcess on the couchdb merge?
[16:27] <rickspencer3> I have way too much content, as usual
[16:27] <dobey> pitti: oh, because of the new dep which is in universe
[16:27] <dpm_> mterry, cool, if you've got any trouble with the commands, just ask on #ubuntu-classroom-backstage
[16:28] <dpm_> rickspencer3, cool. Too much content is good, I'm sure we can make another tutorial out of that!
[16:28]  * pitti -> dinner; will just return for the TB meeting today, otherwise TTFN
[16:28] <dobey> cheers pitti
[16:29] <dobey> anyway, i think it's best to move couchdb to universe
[16:29] <pitti> dobey: I think it'd be best if U1 stopped using it :)
[16:29] <pitti> it seems it causes quite a lot of trouble all along? or is that a wrong impression?
[16:29] <dobey> pitti: i won't disagree with that. :)
[16:30] <seb128> pitti, well u1 can go to universe
[16:30] <seb128> pitti, since they only want their installer on the CD
[16:30] <seb128> pitti, which can fetch couchdb, etc from universe
[16:30] <pitti> seb128: that feels weird to me, though
[16:30] <pitti> seb128: given how much of a frontline feature we sell this as, it really ought to be officially supported
[16:30] <dobey> yeah i'm fine with only the couchdb stuff being in universe, and the other stuff in main
[16:31] <rickspencer3> I have to agree with pitti
[16:31] <rickspencer3> it seems weird to have UI in the default install that basically begs the user to install desktopcouch
[16:31] <rickspencer3> and then have desktopcouch not supported
[16:31] <rickspencer3> (assuming I'm following the conversation correctly)
[16:32] <dobey> well the definition of "supported" is somewhat vague here
[16:32] <dobey> we (u1 team) have to support it no matter where we put it
[16:32] <pitti> right, so it should be in main
[16:33] <pitti> and I'd really would prefer having it at least on the DVDs
[16:33] <pitti> it's quite handy to try it on a live system
[16:33] <dobey> well feel free to argue with chipaca/cparrino on that front :)
[16:34] <seb128> rickspencer3, well, it feel weird to me that we drop u1 from the CD to put an installer to start with
[16:34] <pitti> it just seems like "we actually totally rely on couchdb right now, but we don't want to" :)
[16:35] <pitti> seb128++
[16:35] <rodrigo_> the u1 team are looking at replacements for couchdb, btw
[16:35] <pitti> \o/
[16:36]  * pitti -> really off now
[16:36] <rickspencer3> bye pitti
[16:36] <rickspencer3> seb128, well, U1 has no purpose without a network connection
[16:36] <seb128> 'night pitti
[16:36] <rickspencer3> and not everyone wants the features
[16:36] <rickspencer3> AND it's hard to update as fast as they need
[16:37] <seb128> rickspencer3, same with a webbrowser
[16:37] <rickspencer3> so, I think the installer way was a good solution
[16:37] <seb128> or an email client
[16:37] <seb128> or an im client
[16:37] <seb128> or gwibber
[16:37] <seb128> or ...
[16:37] <seb128> ;-)
[16:37] <rickspencer3> indeed
[16:37] <rickspencer3> but you need a browser to get started
[16:37] <rickspencer3> and their is local content
[16:37] <dobey> that's why the first thing i do after install is a bunch of apt-get remove stuff
[16:38] <dobey> to get started with what?
[16:38] <dobey> solitaire doesn't need you to have firefox :)
[16:41] <didrocks> ok, so gwibber only builds with old vala
[16:46] <rodrigo_> didrocks, with 0-12?
[16:46] <didrocks> yeah
[16:47] <seb128> didrocks, that's fine, we will keep both versions this cycle
[16:47] <rodrigo_> ah ok, I thought I had broken it with the last 0.13 upload
[16:47] <seb128> and they are not runtime requirements
[16:47] <seb128> so not on the CD
[16:47] <didrocks> seb128: yeah, just frustrating when you have already a lot building in // and have to restart one :)
[16:48] <seb128> yeah, gwibber is small enough so that's ok ;-)
[16:48] <seb128> it could be firefox!
[16:49] <didrocks> seb128: not small enough when you have 5 // builds :p
[16:54] <rodrigo_> out for bit, later all
[16:55] <didrocks> see you rodrigo_
[16:58] <micahg> is it known that restart required no longer appears in unity-2d?
[17:02] <micahg> didrocks: ^^
[17:03] <didrocks> micahg: it's by design
[17:03] <didrocks> micahg: it's in the shurtdown dialog
[17:03] <micahg> orly?  how do people know when to reboot
[17:03] <didrocks> shutdown*
[17:04] <didrocks> micahg: ah, you mean, the additional entry when a restart is required after a kernel upgrade for instance?
[17:04] <micahg> didrocks: no, I mean about after updates that a reboot is required
[17:04] <didrocks> micahg: I didn't check the spec, but better to check with ronoc
[17:04] <micahg> is he around?
[17:04] <ronoc> here i am
[17:05] <micahg> ronoc: so, what do you think about the above?
[17:06] <ronoc> micahg, I think that todays release 'should' fix it but considering the grief I had to try to get any sort of deterministic behaviour out of the apt dbus api bugs may appear yes
[17:06] <micahg> ronoc: which version is that so I can make sure to check later?
[17:07] <ronoc> micahg, 0.3.5 , ill release in a bit
[17:07]  * micahg guesses a better question is version of what...
[17:07] <ronoc> indicator-session
[17:08] <micahg> ronoc: ok, thanks
[17:08] <ronoc> micahg, np
[17:08]  * micahg will try to postpone rebooting until then
[17:28] <chrisccoulson> that's better
[17:36] <dobey> Laney: btw, did you not see https://code.launchpad.net/~dobey/ubuntu/oneiric/banshee/suggest-u1ms/+merge/74618 ?
[17:41] <Laney> dobey: nope
[17:41] <Laney> you don't even /want/ it shipped by default, then?
[17:43] <dobey> Laney: ubuntuone-installer is the only thing we want installed by default, and it will install the ubuntu one pieces
[17:44] <Laney> ok
[17:44] <Laney> if that bug doesn't get fixed I expect we might want to release note it
[17:45] <dobey> well i don't have time to fix it for oneiric
[17:45] <Laney> maybe my bug is a different one though
[17:45] <Laney> I get "** (Banshee:13414): DEBUG: Syncdaemon not running, waiting for it to start in NameOwnerChanged
[17:45] <Laney> "
[17:46] <Laney> and then it stops for about 20 seconds
[17:46] <dobey> hmm
[17:46] <Laney> and then a timeout
[17:46] <dobey> i think your bug is different then
[17:46] <Laney> (it is correct that I'm probably not running the syncdaemon though)
[17:46] <dobey> but perhaps similar
[17:46] <Laney> ** (Banshee:13414): WARNING **: Error rescanning Purchased Music: No such file or directory
[17:47] <Laney> and the store just says "Cannot resolve proxy hostname ()"
[17:48] <chrisccoulson> is there debhelper magic for installing apport hooks?
[17:48] <dobey> Laney: ok, i think you perhaps have a separate issue then
[17:49] <seb128> chrisccoulson, sudo apt-get install dh-apport
[17:49] <Laney> I'm running a custom session, maybe that has something to do with why you can't start the syncdaemon
[17:49] <chrisccoulson> seb128, thanks
[17:49] <Laney> anyway, whatever the reason is the extension shouldn't block the UI for that long and should probably just fail to load if it's not going to work
[17:49] <seb128> chrisccoulson, yw
[17:50] <seb128> chrisccoulson, I tend to just list the hook in the .install though, I don't see much of the point to add a build-depends and an helper instead ;-)
[17:50] <chrisccoulson> yeah, it's probably easier for me to just do that :)
[17:50] <chrisccoulson> i'm going to add a hook to all the mozilla extensions in the archive, which will just gather all the info provided by the firefox hook
[17:51] <seb128> would be nice to have dh_apport in debhelper rather than a different build-depends
[17:51] <nigelb> rickspencer3: Ahoy!
[17:51] <rickspencer3> hi nigelb
[17:51] <rickspencer3> I'm coming, be there soon ;)
[17:51] <nigelb> rickspencer3: could you  join #ubuntu-classroom, #ubuntu-classroom-backstage, and #ubuntu-classroom-chat?
[17:51] <nigelb> heh :)
[17:51] <rickspencer3> nigelb, give me just a couple of minutes
[17:51] <rickspencer3> I'll be right there
[17:52] <nigelb> sure, np. 10 mins to go :)
[17:53] <didrocks> pitti: seb128: FYI, unity-2d last release is broken (places segfault), and as it's tightly linked with the new unity and the whole 11 packages set, I will upload tomorrow morning with an unity-2d fix (no more dx guys around)
[17:53] <pitti> didrocks: nod
[17:53] <seb128> didrocks, or just break unity-2d for the night ;-)
[17:53] <didrocks> seb128: not really, I don't break things :-)
[17:53] <pitti> meh, gtk+2.0 also failing on missing docs
[17:53] <pitti> what the heck broke ther?
[17:54] <pitti> e
[17:54] <seb128> didrocks, updates would be set on hold anyway
[17:54] <seb128> didrocks, it would give you other things built during the night and unity-3d testers
[17:54] <seb128> but ok, your call
[17:54] <didrocks> seb128: yeah, and people making partial upgrades and such, I know the song :)
[17:54] <seb128> didrocks, well, you make unhappy people either way
[17:54] <seb128> but your call
[17:54] <didrocks> let's delay on tomorrow morning the whole release
[17:55] <seb128> ok
[18:23] <didrocks> pitti: seb128: I uploaded to the ubuntu-desktop ppa and launched a call for testing on the french forum warning about unity-2d to not loose a day of testing
[18:29] <ricotz> didrocks, hi, do you know if there is a guide how the ubuntu iso builing is working?
[18:30] <didrocks> ricotz: it's based on seeds, you should first check them
[18:30] <ricotz> meaning which branches and scripts are involved
[18:30] <didrocks> ricotz: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeedManagement those are the sources, then, we have some tools in the data server using those sources.
[18:31] <ricotz> i see, and they use the debian-cd scripts
[18:32] <didrocks> ricotz: right, IIRC, we have some modification to it
[18:32] <didrocks> ricotz: cjwatson is definitively the one to ask about it
[18:32] <ricotz> yeah there is a special ubuntu branch of it
[18:33] <ricotz> didrocks, ok
[18:34] <seb128> didrocks, thanks
[18:35]  * didrocks heads to dinner now, see you tomorrow guys!
[18:52] <mterry> tedg, you giving a talk in 9 minutes?
[18:52] <tedg> mterry, Yup, preparing notes :-)
[18:53] <mterry> tedg, join #ubuntu-classroom-backstage
[18:58] <dobey> mterry: you suck at change descriptions btw. :)
[18:59] <mterry> dobey, how do you mean?
[18:59] <dobey> mterry: your changelog for https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntuone-couch/0.2.0-0ubuntu4 makes it seem like our server is broken
[19:00] <dobey> mterry: had a user a bit confused/worried yesterday about stuff somehow magically becoming insecure, after reading the changelog in update-manager
[19:00] <mterry> people read those?!  :)
[20:32] <dobey> hrmm, i think apport is broken maybe. have a bug where it seems to have ignored the crashdb config
[21:30] <Trevinho> Anyone using unity with two monitors here?
[21:33] <OwaisL> Trevinho, I use it occasionally.
[21:33] <Trevinho> OwaisL: since I'd need some feedback on latest trunk
[21:34] <Trevinho> first, where the indicators should show? Always on the left-most screen?
[21:34] <Trevinho> (right edge, of course)
[21:34] <Trevinho> Or better... Configure this scenario: two screens put one near the other...
[21:37] <OwaisL> I like them on both screens but that's personal I mean I don't have to turn my head to check the status of an app but on left most makes sense too.
[21:38] <OwaisL> but again their are people who use even 3 monitors, it would be troublesome to travel from 3rd monitor to first just to click transmission
[21:38] <OwaisL> Trevinho, ^
[21:45] <Trevinho> OwaisL: ok... I could agree with you about that
[21:45] <Trevinho> but now I'd more need the de-facto status
[21:45] <Trevinho> since, I guess there's something wrong in the current trunk
[21:46] <Trevinho> so, the menus, for each, application.... Are there in the screen they belong to, isn't it?
[21:46] <Trevinho> you
[21:47] <OwaisL> right, indicators on all screens and menu only on current makes most sense for me
[21:49] <Trevinho> but OwaisL I would like to know how they are now.where are the the menus?
[21:50] <OwaisL> Oh, I did not pay attention to menu on other screens so don't know if they are there too and I can only confirm in the morning. Lying cozily in the bed right now. Sorry!
[21:52] <Trevinho> Ah, ok... no problem
[21:52] <Trevinho> thank you anyway
[23:06] <Sweetshark> jasoncwarner_: ping?