=== eeejay is now known as eeejay_is_afk [04:38] Good morning [04:39] desrt: ah, thanks; I'll just keep retrying it on the builders then [04:40] dobey: couchdb> oh, I didn't answer because I have NFC about couch [04:40] bigon: where do you see this error? [04:53] morning pitti. [04:59] hey TheMuso, how are you? [04:59] pitti: Not too bad thanks. [04:59] Yourself? [05:00] pretty well, thanks! [05:01] TheMuso: looking at bug 769256 now, I'll see whether we can apply a workaround in our packages [05:01] Launchpad bug 769256 in gtk+3.0 "Gdk enumerations do not contain GType info in GIR" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/769256 [05:07] pitti: ok thanks., [05:07] well, I'll first give it a shot upstream [05:14] ok [05:34] pitti: do you know if installing notification-daemon interferes with Unity's notifications? [05:36] jbicha: it shouldn't [05:38] jbicha: notify-osd's dbus script has some code to detect whether to use notification-daemon or notify-osd [05:39] good morning [05:40] bonjour didrocks [05:43] hey pitti! [05:52] pitti: if you could get some love on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/eglibc/+bug/838975 it would be nice :) [05:52] Ubuntu bug 838975 in eglibc "weird pthread/fork race/deadlock" [Undecided,New] [06:04] desrt: that's a little above my head, I'm afraid :/ [06:30] jasoncwarner_, ping [06:31] hey robert_ancell [06:32] jasoncwarner_, can I get you to try an optimised unity-greeter and see if that makes a difference? Are you using i386 or amd64? [06:32] amd64 [06:32] jasoncwarner_, yay, I'll just email you the .deb then [06:32] I just updated and didn't see U-G come down... [06:32] oh [06:32] ok [06:33] you can always share in U1, if one.ubuntu.com is working (it wasn't yesterday) [06:33] but email works as well. [06:33] brb [06:37] jasoncwarner_, ok, emailed it to you now. Should use the new one as soon as you log out after installing [06:37] is there a way I can check when I'm on the screen? [06:37] jasoncwarner_, while logged in? [06:38] when I'm logging in... [06:38] like, I'm sitting on the u-g screen about to login, how do I check I'm using the proper u-g version? [06:38] jasoncwarner_, the logo in the bottom left will be translucent, which is not the case in 0.0.5 [06:38] or am I making this too complicated? [06:38] yes :P [06:39] ah, ok [06:40] robert_ancell: I'm tesitng this for laginess, right? [06:41] jasoncwarner_, yes (I don't see any on my system) [06:41] ok...rebooting...back in like 4 minutes :/ [06:41] there's two major changes - the animation is now constant time, and the backgrounds are rendered in a thread [06:48] jasoncwarner_, still there? you don't have to reboot, just log out btw [06:49] robert_ancell: back [06:51] pitti: FYI, libunity will have an ABI break today, prepare for seeing a bunch of rebuilds [06:52] * micahg cries, chrisccoulson ^^ [06:53] didrocks: did you see my note about qt4-x11? [06:54] I forgot to start xchat this morning, this gave me the illusion of a very quiet morning [06:54] micahg: hum, no I didn't? when did you sent it? [06:54] didrocks: I subscribed you to a bug several hours ago about adding a patch to it [06:55] didrocks: ah, thanks [06:55] rickspencer3: one is ridiculously productive without IRC, right? :-) [06:55] pitti, well, I did go to the bakery and enjoy some esspresso [06:56] micahg: do you have the bug number handy? It seems I didn't get it in my "subscriber" box? [06:56] so, I'll answer your question with a "yes" ;) [06:56] didrocks: bug 837557 [06:56] Launchpad bug 837557 in qt4-x11 "fraudulent DigiNotar certificate issuance" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/837557 [06:56] rickspencer3: 'zactly! [06:56] morning [06:56] wow, how nice of ubot2` to get the right task :) [06:56] hey rodrigo_ [06:57] hi pitti [06:58] micahg: oh that? its already done… but thanks :) [06:58] didrocks: ah, excellent, uploaded too or just waiting to upload? [06:58] (and you didn't subscribe me, but assigned) :) [06:58] micahg: waiting to upload in coordination with some new unity-2d release [06:59] micahg: all is ready from monday (expect from this patch I added yesterday after reading the blog post) [06:59] didrocks: ah, right, cool, thanks, I'll watch for the upload and close manually if you don't add the bug #, thanks, one less thing to worry about :) [07:00] micahg: I'll add the bug # now, no worry :) [07:00] didrocks: thanks, I'm heading to sleep now [07:01] micahg: enjoy :) [07:07] jasoncwarner_: oh btw, agateau fixed the sni-qt and dbusmenu-qt to support multi-arch, so you should get your indicator in skype back [07:08] I saw that today, :) [07:08] it is working ! [07:11] great :) [07:12] pitti: I never get it from the wiki page, is a strange change, so an UIFe needs a ack or just subscription + email sending? The wiki page doesn't seem to tell it needs an ack [07:13] didrocks: it's a freeze exception like any other, so it does need an ack [07:13] didrocks: for UI we require an additional ack from the documentation team [07:13] but u-release@ usually subscribes/asks them after initial review [07:14] pitti: ok, well, in this case, the doc team is making the change :) [07:14] pitti: quick look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-translations/+bug/839880 ? [07:14] Ubuntu bug 839880 in language-selector "Instructs to use System -> Administration menu" [Undecided,In progress] [07:14] pitti: I try to chase the unity guys to get all UIFe done for today's release (there will be a lot, so maybe can open a metabug summarizing everything?) otherwise, I won't upload the new release [07:16] didrocks: well, Gabor is translation team, but right, we should fix that, an in this case it's a string break, so that implies his +1 [07:16] didrocks: summary bug sounds fine; I thought we already had one [07:16] didrocks: there was one which explained all the layout changes in the dash, for example [07:17] pitti: oh? I wasn't subscribed to this one, this is from yesterday? [07:17] didrocks: bug 841945 [07:17] Launchpad bug 841945 in unity "UIFe: Dash - Shape and positioning of most of the elements in the Dash need adjustment" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/841945 [07:18] pitti: ok, there is not all the changes, but the others are touching the dash as well [07:44] TheMuso: ah, I think I have an upstreamable patch now which works in all scenarios; doing the last test builds. so expect an upload over the day [07:46] back in ~ 1 h [08:03] hey [08:03] hey seb128 [08:09] salut seb128 [08:09] hey rodrigo_ [08:11] salut didrocks [08:16] good morning eveeryone [08:16] morning chrisccoulson [08:16] hi rodrigo_, how are you? [08:16] I'm fine thanks, and you? [08:17] rodrigo_, yeah, not too bad thanks, although i've got quite a headache this morning [08:17] oh, suck :( [08:17] 06:40 < pitti> bigon: where do you see this error? << http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=640467 [08:17] Debian bug 640467 in python-gobject "Insufficient requirement on glib" [Grave,Open] [08:18] seb128, so, i figured out last night that stopping the media-keys plugin before the callback to g_bus_get is dispatched will cause bug 832603 [08:18] Launchpad bug 832603 in gnome-settings-daemon "gnome-settings-daemon crashed with SIGSEGV in g_simple_async_result_complete()" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/832603 [08:18] i can fix that, but it would be nice to figure out the conditions which actually cause that [08:18] because it seems a little weird [08:19] in fact, destroying the plugin before that callback fires will cause a crash too, because nothing is holding a ref to it, but that's not the issue there [08:20] chrisccoulson, I'm looking at that bug myself, but why would you want to stop the plugin? [08:20] hey rodrigo_ didrocks chrisccoulson [08:20] how are you? [08:20] rodrigo_, well, they're stopped on shutdown [08:20] good morning chrisccoulson [08:20] bonjour seb128 [08:20] bigon: thanks, I'll have a look [08:20] hey pitti [08:20] chrisccoulson, right, but the call is supposed to have finished, unless you log in and out very quickly, right? [08:21] chrisccoulson, but yes, I'm fixing it by keeping a ref to the GCancellable's, so that we can clean up on shutdown [08:21] rodrigo_, yeah, that's why i'd like to figure out the condition it happens under [08:21] yeah [08:21] the issue is is that manager->priv->introspection_data is NULL when the callback fires [08:22] rodrigo_, can you backport the g-s-d commits bastien pointed to fix the segfault you discussed yesterday? [08:22] seb128, it doesn't fix the division by 0, my patch does, which is in the branch [08:22] seb128, so I was thinking on keeping my patch in the package and just remove it with the next version upgrade, which should have the final fix [08:22] rodrigo_, bastien reverted your fix in git and says his commits are the right way to fix it [08:23] pitti: joss told me there is nothing to do [08:23] we need to wait for a new glib version in experimental [08:23] :( [08:23] seb128, yes, but it doesn't, I'm waiting for him to wake up to discuss it [08:23] ok [08:23] bigon: sounds like it requires a stricter build/binary dep at least? [08:23] yay, that fix should unbreak orca [08:23] chrisccoulson, right, so that means it's being called after cleanup [08:24] indeed [08:24] chrisccoulson, I'll finish my fix and push to the g-s-d branch [08:24] thanks [08:24] pitti: indeed the dep must be adjuste [08:24] d [08:25] bigon: so it seems the upstream configure.ac check isn't sufficient either? [08:27] maybe Ididn't look at that in deep [08:28] pitti, why did you turn on --enable-gtk-doc in glib and gtk when you did updates? did you run into build issues? [08:28] seb128: because the new upstream versions stopped building it by default [08:28] seb128: previous versions apparenlty did [08:28] seb128: but I'll change it to just ship the orig.tar.gz pre-generated one [08:28] hey seb128 or didrocks, after a reboot today I lost the battery indicator... [08:29] can I get it back without rebooting? [08:29] pitti, desrt told me they didn't build it by default for a long time [08:29] seb128: I just fixed bug 769256, working on bug 842543 now [08:29] Launchpad bug 769256 in gtk+3.0 "Gdk enumerations do not contain GType info in GIR" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/769256 [08:29] Launchpad bug 842543 in ubuntu "Bad generated documentation for all includes in gtk.h" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/842543 [08:29] pitti, ok, thanks, I was going to look at it but since you are on it [08:29] bug 836014 [08:29] Launchpad bug 836014 in gnome-settings-daemon "gnome-settings-daemon crashed with SIGSEGV in idle_is_session_inhibited()" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/836014 [08:29] seb128: well, the previous version apparently built, but with the new version dh_install failed because the doc files weren't present [08:29] pitti, it might be as simple as "just go back to shipping the tarball htmls" [08:29] seb128: perhaps the new gtk-doc-tools makefiles break installation of the pre-generated sources, etc. [08:30] pitti, ah that's interesting, the .html are in the tarball, at least for glib [08:30] seb128: yes, I'll ship the pregenerated ones, and update dh_install accordingly (install from source dir instead of build dir) [08:30] I didn't check gtk3 [08:30] seb128: they are in gtk3, too [08:30] seems like an upstream bug then [08:30] seb128: back then I thought that we shipped the built docs [08:30] there is probably another bug if rebuilding the documentation leads to broken html files [08:31] we usually ship the upstream one since between make dist and the package build there is no content change and no reason the htmls should be differents [08:31] so no need to add build-depends and build time [08:31] *nod* [08:32] pitti, let's check with desrt later on about the make install not installing the documentation if --disable-gtk-doc is used [08:32] that seems an upstream bug [08:34] uh, dbus-daemon went crazy, using 100% cpu [08:34] apparently e-d-s keeps spamming it [08:35] or something else which tries to talk to e-d-s [08:35] indicator-datetime-service presumably [08:35] pitti, indicator- [08:35] right, I was going to say that [08:35] pitti, do you have indicator-weather? [08:36] no [08:36] I have a window [08:36] and weatherbug on my mobile [08:36] I think jjardon was asking if people who get the issue has indicator-weather installed [08:36] ok, killall indicator-datetime-service helped [08:36] it autorespawned, and the indicator seems alright (shows my appointments) [08:37] bug 774071 [08:37] Launchpad bug 774071 in indicator-datetime "Indicator-datetime-service renders 100% CPU usage" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/774071 [08:37] pitti, ^ [08:37] cheers [08:38] should probably be "high" [08:38] not sure why ted set it to low [08:38] jasoncwarner_, sorry I forgot to go back to you [08:38] jasoncwarner_, you can try to kill unity-panel-service [08:38] jasoncwarner_, it should reload and with luck give you back your indicator [08:40] (the indicator isn't there when the battery is fully charged if the current behavior I have there is correct) [08:40] pitti, did I say that you rock today yet? ;-) [08:40] (just happy to see the retracers working in a stable way) [08:40] seb128: uh, what did I do? [08:40] ah, heh :) [08:40] merci :) [08:41] cyphermox_, what happened to the evolution upload? [08:41] (well I guess he's sleeping by now) [08:42] libpanel-applet-2 is gone from NBS \o/ [08:42] pitti, great work! [08:42] didrocks, jasoncwarner_: no, indicator-power shouldn't hide when the battery is full [08:42] now our remaining things are panel-applet-3 (depends on indicator-applet), the evo libraries, and ptlib/ekiga [08:42] seb128: hum, that's the behavior I have for the past month though [08:43] didrocks, that's a bug [08:43] there are only 5 libnotify1 rdepends left, I'll see to porting those [08:43] seb128: was thinking it's indended, will check with ted/ronoc [08:43] didrocks, bug #844377? [08:43] Launchpad bug 844377 in indicator-power "Power/battery indicator no longer showing" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/844377 [08:43] didrocks, check with jjardon he's the indicator-power guy [08:45] didrocks, see bug #811769 as well [08:45] Launchpad bug 811769 in indicator-power "Power Menu should respect icon-policy hide setting" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/811769 [08:45] didrocks: what is the output of upower -d ? [08:45] jjardon: right now, I removed the power plug, so I see it, let's wait for it being at 100% [08:46] jjardon: but jasoncwarner_ doesn't see it, you can ask him :) [08:46] hey jjardon ;-) [08:46] jasoncwarner_, can you pastebin a "upower -d" log? [08:46] seb128: sure.,...just rebooted and it sure is gone [08:47] dh_install: libgtk-3-doc missing files (debian/install/shared/usr/share/gtk-doc/html/gtk*), aborting [08:47] seb128: ^ FYI, that's the build failure [08:47] desrt, ^ [08:47] http://pastebin.com/RNwReRmF [08:47] but no problem, I'll just install them from ./docs/ [08:47] pitti, find debian/install/share -name html? [08:47] seb128: ^^ [08:47] jjardon, ^ [08:48] seb128: no *.html at all [08:48] ok, so make install bog [08:48] jasoncwarner_, jjardon: seems like bug #844377 [08:48] Launchpad bug 844377 in indicator-power "Power/battery indicator no longer showing" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/844377 [08:48] seb128: hey ;), ok, the bug is not related to the indicator then, but maybe with upower [08:48] do we have an update of upower recently? [08:49] jjardon, https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/upower [08:49] jjardon, not for 9 weeks [08:49] jjardon: no, it didn't change for a while [08:49] there's a new upstream version, but it only has one tiny fix which is relevant at runtime [08:50] jjardon: gpm used to have a gconf setting for when to show: always/only when charging/never/etc. [08:50] jjardon: does i-p have something similar? didrocks might have a gsettings key to only show when charging? [08:50] pitti, no, see http://pastebin.com/RNwReRmF [08:50] pitti, they get upower bog [08:50] pitti: yeah, but that gconf key was removed with the move to g-s-d [08:51] pitti, that's upower -d log [08:51] seb128: I had battery up until about, I don't know, 1.5 hours ago? [08:51] then I rebooted to test a unity-greeter thing with robert and it went away [08:52] jasoncwarner_, were you working plugged and now unplugged? [08:52] (I did an update during that time, but I don't remmeber what came down) [08:52] no [08:52] ok, dunno then [08:52] seb128: no...always plugged in [08:52] still seems a upower issue and you are not the only one seeing the bug I pointed [08:53] ok [08:53] seb128: I'll ask upstream [08:54] jjardon, do you think you could help getting it debugged? [08:54] jjardon, great, thanks! [08:54] is it me or LP is dead? [08:54] "Oops" [08:54] it's "oops" [08:55] ok, we are all oppsing then :) [08:55] ot's back [08:55] it's back [08:56] and it's off again :/ [08:56] can play this game for long! :-) [08:58] need to run some errands, bbiab [09:36] pitti, hello, should i file a bug or can you look at it this way http://people.ubuntu.com/~ricotz/clutter/ - it cant be uploaded to debian yet since it is missing a newer atk [09:37] ricotz, pitti: I can look at tit [09:37] seb128, thanks [09:38] seb128, do you know if jbicha is fixing gnome-shell? [09:39] ricotz, no idea, what is broken? [09:39] seb128, quite a bit build-deps are missing [09:40] so it ftbfs [09:40] ok [09:40] well I'm sure he will fix it [09:40] doko_, hello :), so armhf will be available on 12.04 [09:40] seb128, good [09:52] jjardon, thanks for bringing the upower issue upstream [09:52] seb128: the problem is with upower and the new glib version, we need the latest upower [09:52] pitti, we need a new upower, upowerd exit on the same missing symbol from glib that evolution [09:52] jjardon, I've been reading #control-center, thanks ;-) [09:52] pitti, do you want to do the update? [09:52] seb128: oh, great ;) [09:53] pitti, we need http://cgit.freedesktop.org/upower/commit/?id=785ecbb6d5f635f7c8076009f696001d2247fd31 in fact [09:53] jasoncwarner_, ^ upowerd broke yesterday due to the glib update [09:54] didrocks, your issue is probably different since you had it before today [09:54] seb128: right [09:54] seb128: can do (sorry, I'm in meeting) [09:54] ricotz, pitti: I uploaded clutter [09:55] pitti, no hurry for upower, danke [09:57] seb128, ty [10:00] hey all [10:01] hum, sending an email, and thunderbird crashed [10:02] and click on "restart" and no restart, nice :/ [10:03] you probably need to install the restart and the send extensions *g* [10:05] it's all chrisccoulson's fault! [10:11] all of it! :) [10:11] does it makes sense to use gconf after unity arrival for future LTS? [10:14] chrisccoulson, do you get the crash in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-settings-daemon/+bug/832603 ? [10:14] Ubuntu bug 832603 in gnome-settings-daemon "gnome-settings-daemon crashed with SIGSEGV in g_simple_async_result_complete()" [High,Triaged] [10:14] rodrigo_, no, i've never had that before [10:14] ok [10:16] pitti: thanks for being on there...I know you hate the conf system :) [10:17] jasoncwarner_: it was quite hard to understand you; Jane and Rick were okay [10:18] jasoncwarner_: at least I figured out how to use empathy for it (it actually Just Works, just had the wrong conf code) [10:23] seb128: so, I can't upload that upowerd to Debian yet; will do an ubuntu upload then [10:23] but will update upower at Debian to the current upstream version first [10:24] pitti, why can't you upload to Debian? [10:24] seb128: debian's glib is at 2.28 still [10:24] ah, and the new upstream version also doesn't work for Deiban [10:25] but no problem [10:25] pitti, the commit I pointed suggests that they check the glib version and adapt to it [10:26] pitti, so it should work on 2.28 as well [10:26] just use different codepaths [10:26] ooh, right [10:28] seb128: I wonder why it doesn't crash for me, thoug [10:28] h [10:33] unity is always started by gnome-session right? [10:37] rodrigo_: yeah [10:41] Laney: you still seeing the apport mesage of doom today ? [10:43] haven't used my laptop [10:43] but I didn't get it when re-logging-in yesterday [10:50] hmm ot it again this morning [10:50] :/ [10:51] hmm, edit_acl says vala is on the desktop set, but it rejects my upload [10:52] so can someone upload lp:~ubuntu-desktop/vala/ubuntu please? [10:52] * davmor2 tickles czajkowski [10:53] davmor2: I'm in too good a mood to mind, still on a high fro getting a new job [10:55] czajkowski, oh, congratulations :) [10:59] chrisccoulson: thanks [11:01] davmor2: do me a favour there, open up software center and search planner for me please :) [11:03] seb128: upower uploaded to debian/ubuntu [11:05] czajkowski: yeap and? [11:06] pitti, danke [11:06] rodrigo_, will do, vala is but you updated vala-0.14 right? [11:06] rodrigo_, can you email cjwatson about having that one added to the seed? [11:06] pedro_, hola [11:06] hello seb128! [11:06] seb128, seems it's already in the desktop set, not sure what's up [11:06] morning all :-) [11:07] seb128, yes, to vala 0.13.4 [11:07] pedro_, I've started assigning you some bugs to forward, you can unassign them once forwarded, I figured it would be easier for you to not miss the ones to forward? [11:07] seb128, needed by the new fols [11:07] rodrigo_, ok [11:07] czajkowski: I get project management, planner development library, pondus, mofit day planner, net plan, gsql etc [11:07] seb128: after lunch, I plan to merge our librsvg changes to Debian and update to the new version [11:07] seb128, i'm checking for bugs with an open empty upstream task and forwarding those, but assign also works for me ;-) [11:07] seb128: do you have anything else for me which is urgent? [11:07] pitti, great, thanks [11:08] pitti, no [11:08] * pitti lunches [11:08] pedro_, well I'm also using assignee when upstream wanted extra infos and somebody needs to follow [11:08] davmor2: but do you see them all twice on the list? [11:08] pedro_, I just use that for bugs I would like to see fixed not for all the noise don't worry ;-) === rickspencer3__ is now known as rickspencer3 [11:08] pitti, enjoy! [11:08] seb128: can we easily fix vala and glib2.0 on versions.html ? [11:09] seb128, lets use the assign method then [11:09] hola rodrigo_! [11:09] hey pedro_ [11:09] pitti, yes, I will do those [11:09] czajkowski: known bug for multiarch mvo was going to look into it, I'll have a word with tremolux latter and see if he knows what happened [11:10] davmor2: ah ok still here on oneiric so [11:10] rodrigo_, I've unassigned some bugs from you btw ;-) [11:10] rodrigo_, i'm triaging the g-c-c bugs [11:10] czajkowski: if you look one has :i386 [11:10] seb128, cool! I owe you some beers then!! :) [11:10] rodrigo_, pedro_: I will add an apport hook btw [11:10] ricotz: I just fixed gnome-shell build-deps, but now get "dh_girepository: Could not find Gee-1.0.typelib dependency [11:10] czajkowski: it's a oneiric only bug due to the switch to multiarch [11:10] " — do you know what that means? [11:10] * Laney has never touched gir stuff before [11:10] pedro_, rodrigo_: to reassign segfaults to the package which has the .so which segfaulted [11:10] seb128, ok [11:11] davmor2: if I install them, click view and go back arrow to the list, they only appear once. [11:11] Laney, libgee-dev should depends on gir...-gee-... [11:11] seb128, cool, thanks! [11:11] Laney, add a builddepend on gir1.2-gee-1.0 or libgee-dev === koolhead11 is now known as koolhead17 [11:11] seb128: a bug in gee then? [11:11] Laney, yes [11:11] ok [11:11] seb128, no [11:11] Laney, new debian policy, the -dev should depends on the gir [11:11] Laney, do you want me to fix it? [11:11] would be easier if you don't mind [11:11] i think libgee is depend on it [11:11] will do [11:12] ricotz, [11:12] $ apt-cache show libgee-dev | grep Depends [11:12] Depends: libgee2 (= 0.6.1-2ubuntu1), libglib2.0-dev (>= 2.12.0) [11:12] iirc, gee isnt a real build-dep of g-s [11:12] no [11:12] hmm, i see [11:12] well in any case that's buggy, I will add the gir depends [11:13] but still it is only a introspection dep which isnt checked in configure [11:13] g-s doesn't have the build-dep either, true [11:13] but you should only be depending on the -dev, right? [11:13] build-depending [11:13] Laney, actually gir1.2-gee-1.0 [11:14] rodrigo_, pedro_: could you discuss what infos would be useful for g-s-d and g-c-c bugs? we might want to improve the hook to let select the type of bug, i.e if it's the sound, screen, etc and tag them or add upower and colord etc logs? [11:14] Laney, look at https://edge.launchpad.net/~ricotz/+archive/testing/+files/gnome-shell_3.1.91%2Bgit20110908.5e220e9e-0ubuntu1%7E11.10%7Ericotz0.debian.tar.gz [11:14] Laney, yes, the dev depends on the gir so no need to b-d on the gir [11:14] seb128, yes, I guess we can guess which plugin is based on the .so [11:15] Laney, ignore the caribou deps though [11:15] i know that you could depend on the gir directly, but it seems like the -dev would be better [11:15] rodrigo_, yeah, we do that for nautilus for years, I will just copy that part of the hook [11:15] seb128, and can we conditionally add colord/upower stuff based on the .so? [11:15] seb128, ok! [11:15] rodrigo_, then pedro_ can probably improve to add other infos [11:15] .xsession-errors is useful also [11:15] Laney, yeah, will need a gee update first then [11:15] rodrigo_, do we need those conditionally? we could just include some standard logs for all g-c-c and g-s-d bugs [11:16] seb128, well, they don't make sense for the sound plugin, for instance, but I guess it's ok [11:17] rodrigo_, well the issue is that you get the .so info only for segfaults [11:17] rodrigo_, not for bugs like "the screen doesn't dim as it should" [11:18] rodrigo_, the other option would be to have an apport question "what is your issue" and list [11:18] - display [11:18] - sound [11:18] - color [11:18] etc [11:18] or the common ones and "others" [11:18] rodrigo_, but collecting some infos and adding a few logs to the bug in any case doesn't cost a lot [11:19] the commands are cheap to run and the log are small enough [11:20] seb128, yeah, right [11:21] better to have more info than lack of :) [11:22] pedro_, ^ can you think a bit about it and check what logs we might need based on what upstream asked for recent bugs? [11:23] seb128, yup, will review some bugs to see if there are common patterns we can automate in the hook [11:23] pedro_, I guess upowerd can be useful for power bugs, colord log for color bugs [11:24] pedro_, xrandr for display [11:27] Sometimes my screen jitters. Like it moves down then up again really quickly. [11:27] It's new in the last week or so. [11:27] How can I file a useful bug about this? [11:28] (I can't see to make it do so on demand) [11:29] jml, look for apport files and .xsession-errors errors when it happens [11:30] jml, one possibility is that the unity-panel-service goes down, the menu would go back in the applications when that happens, it respawns and the menus and export to unity again [11:30] jml, that can give a "things jump on screen" effect [11:30] the menus [11:31] seb128: ah, ok, that might be it. where would I look for apport files? [11:31] jml, /var/crash [11:31] (also, .xsession-errors is showing this error over and over again, http://paste.ubuntu.com/685185/) [11:31] seb128: ta [11:31] jml, ~/.xsession-errors also [11:31] yw [11:31] hum, seems an apport bug [11:31] pitti, ^ [11:31] n = GLib.markup_escape_text(n).decode('UTF-8') [11:31] File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/gi/types.py", line 44, in function [11:31] return info.invoke(*args) [11:31] TypeError: markup_escape_text() takes exactly 2 argument(s) (1 given) [11:32] ok, lunch time [11:32] bbl === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch === nessita is now known as someone === someone is now known as nessita [12:03] jml: are you on current oneiric? that apport bug was fixed a while ago [12:07] pitti: fsvo 'current' [12:07] pitti: I mean, I haven't upgraded since yesterday [12:07] jml: yesterday should be fine, though [12:08] glib was updated the day before [12:08] pitti: if it's the same issue as I had yesterday, saw it again on start up today, killed it and it seems to have died. [12:08] well, might still be laggy mirror [12:08] pitti: archive.ubuntu.com? [12:08] jml: no, that should be fine [12:08] oh, no, glib updates in the upgrade I'm doing now. [12:08] czajkowski: I don't think it is; you had something else [12:09] ah ok [12:09] I am getting tempted to wipe this machine and put a fresh install on it. it started off as a Karmic machine. But I dont want to lose all my thunderbird emails/folders/settings/rules [12:11] czajkowski: IIRC it works well enough just backing up your /home/username/.thunderbird folder ? [12:11] Backing-up/restoring [12:11] hmm tempting I seem to find quirky bugs on this machine every time I upgrade [12:11] I used to run fakeraid. Upgrades were always fun :) [12:12] czajkowski: my /home/ is still from pre-warty :) [12:12] * pitti keeps /home on a separate partition [12:12] smart [12:12] Dedication [12:12] czajkowski: but if you just have one big one, you can still reinstall [12:12] in the manual install, select your current one, but don't format it [12:12] ahh ok [12:12] good to know. Thanks [12:12] ubiquity will then keep /home etc., just replace /usr and so on [12:12] pitti: neat [12:13] pitti: you make it sound soo simple :) [12:13] * Tommeh would still rsync /home to somewhere else :) [12:13] Just in case. [12:13] czajkowski: well, I reinstall my machine two times a cycle for testing; it needs to be simple :) [12:13] Tommeh: yeah, always better [12:13] fair point [12:14] actually anyone else notice when your laptop is pluged in and charging and full it no longer looks like it's plugged into mains [12:14] I collect all my extra setup in http://piware.de/bzr/bin/postinst-setup [12:14] it's like as if you disconnected it and have a full battery [12:14] so after a virgin ubuntu install I just run that, and get my working environment back [12:15] czajkowski: sounds similar to what didrocks observed [12:16] indeed [12:16] pitti: it's flipping annoying and confusing as I forget I'm plugged in and go and yank my machine and realise i'm pugged in [12:16] didrocks: did you file a bug so I cna mark effects moi [12:17] czajkowski: no, was waiting to confirm it's still the case, and yes, it is, jjardon, what do you need already? upower -d ? [12:18] jjardon: http://paste.ubuntu.com/685221/ already [12:19] re [12:20] re seb128 [12:20] hey didrocks ;-) [12:22] didrocks: so this is the output of upower -d and you didnt see any icon? [12:22] jjardon: right [12:28] didrocks: thats strange, because the battery is not even fully charged [12:28] jjardon: hum, I'm plugged for some hours now [12:29] jjardon: if I unplug it, it will start at 99% [12:30] didrocks: this should be your output: http://paste.ubuntu.com/685229/ note the "state: fully-charged" line [12:30] Id file a bug against upower [12:31] seb128: do you still happen to remember why we need the extra postinst in bug 719861? [12:31] Launchpad bug 719861 in librsvg "After installation icon theme default to gnome-icon-theme and cannot be changed" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/719861 [12:31] jjardon: so, anyway, I should see the indicator still, isn't it? [12:32] seb128: that (and a rather obvious patch) are our remaining delta, and I'd like to commit it to Debian [12:32] didrocks: yeah, you should [12:32] jjardon: what do you need for debugging? [12:32] jjardon: seems czajkowski has the same issue (fully charged, nothing shown) [12:32] didrocks: Do you can see the icon before, or the behaviour changed after some updates? [12:33] I asking because the upower package has not been updated for some time [12:33] pitti, because we have no garantee the gdk-pixbuf trigger will be in place by the time librsvg is unpackaged [12:33] unpacked [12:33] indicator-power I mean [12:33] pitti, which in practice leads to have no svg loader registered after installation [12:33] seb128: ah, thanks! [12:34] seb128: because librsvg doesn't depend on gdk-pixbuf [12:34] pitti, yw [12:34] (and shouldn't) [12:34] right [12:34] well, actually it does [12:34] jjardon: it's there for a month I would say, I was thinking it was the normal behavior [12:34] jjardon: like, fully charged, no more icon [12:35] pitti, we discussed,debugged it for a while with you and cjwatson previous cycle and didn't come to a better solution, I think I summarize the issue in bug by then [12:35] didrocks: I've only upgraded since saturday for UGJ been bugging me since [12:35] seb128: yes, I remember that we figured out why it happened, and that we need the postinst, I just don't remember [12:35] seb128: the dependency to libgdk-pixbuf2.0-0 is there [12:37] pitti, read comment #9 [12:37] seb128: oh, -common has the trigger, not the lib [12:38] pitti, there was also that libgl issue, the trigger failed on missing lib [12:38] pitti, that's probably workaround in natty and oneiric since we build cairo without gl again [12:38] seb128: hah, tricky [12:38] workarounded [12:39] seb128: seems that libtiff4-dev has a unmet dependency: libjpeg-dev [12:39] (I have libjpeg8-dev installed) [12:41] jjardon, install libjpeg62-dev [12:42] seb128: that worked, thanks [12:42] jjardon, you're welcome ;-) [12:46] jjardon: sorry to interrupt, the gap you can see in the screenshot in bug 844377 and that i mentioned for the desktop case has been fixed in unity trunk (at least i'm no longer seeing it). [12:46] Launchpad bug 844377 in indicator-power "Power/battery indicator no longer showing" [High,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/844377 [12:48] htorque: ok, thanks. You will have the icon again when the new upower package was available [12:53] didrocks: hey, I think I found the problem: seems that your battery is a bit broken so doesnt report the remaining time correctly. I'm working on a fix [12:54] jjardon: more than posible, seems battery don't work really well on inspiron… [12:54] didrocks: Could you file a bug report with the output of upower -d ? Or you already reported the issue? [12:54] jjardon: I didn't yet, doing now [12:55] czajkowski: about your problem, Its a different issue. It will work again when the new upower package was available [12:56] jjardon: bug #844769 [12:56] Launchpad bug 844769 in indicator-power "No battery icon once fully charged" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/844769 [12:57] didrocks: thanks! [12:58] jjardon: :( ok === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow [13:35] jbicha, it was ordered by the module they were in, so [appmenu][appindicators inc.network-man][message][power][soundmenu][datetime][user][sesion] [13:35] jbicha, and now, we can mix different indicators of modules between eachother, so it's now like: [13:35] seb128: ok, who do i have to bug to get all the couchdb stuff demoted? :) [13:35] [appmenu][appindicator sans network-manager][keyboard][message][power][bluetooth][network][sound][datetime][user][session] [13:35] jbicha, ^ [13:35] seb128: I have librsvg ready in Debian, but either I need to update our gtk+2.0, or add code to debian/rules to make the Breaks: conditional; I guess I'll update gtk+2.0 then [13:35] dobey, open a bug, list what you want demoted, subscribe ubuntu-archive [13:35] pitti, there is a new version that need to be packaged for it ;-) [13:35] seb128: great, thanks [13:35] seb128: yes, that's what I meant [13:35] seb128: and i need to list binary packages, not source, right? [13:35] dobey, both ideally [13:35] seb128: finishing up on it now (evo) [13:35] cyphermox_, thanks [13:35] seb128: ok [13:35] cyphermox_, would be nice to have it back since it's not starting for 2 days now, which is quite annoying when you need emails for work ;-) [13:35] pfft... use thunderbird ;) [13:35] lol [13:35] it's all a plan [13:36] yup hehe [13:36] chrisccoulson promised you beers to break evolution? [13:36] dunno, but maybe I should tax him for beers [13:36] he's lying to you! [13:36] chrisccoulson: is the TB extension for the desktopcouch bits packaged? [13:40] dobey, we already ship the eds contacts integration which allows you to access existing addressbooks [13:41] i haven't packaged the thunderbird-couchdb extension yet though, which basically does what the evolution-couchdb plugin does [13:45] hmm. [13:45] so this "jittering" doesn't seem to be associated with any crashes [13:46] and seems more likely when my computer is under load [13:50] didrocks: fix committed [13:50] jjardon: oh nice! [13:52] does ~ubuntu-desktop have archive committing rights for the desktop set? [13:52] jbicha, yes [13:53] jbicha: yes, you can dput these packages, too [13:53] chrisccoulson: ah ok. it can just stay in universe when you do then :) [13:57] dobey, yeah, that was the plan [13:57] hmmm, wth, metacity has slowed right down here :/ [13:57] moving windows is incredibly jerky [13:57] seb128: ok, I committed to the ubuntu-desktop/vinagre branch, how do I upload? [13:58] jbicha, dput on the .changes [13:58] oh, congratulations btw jbicha [13:58] jbicha, as you would do for a ppa but without the ppa:... ;-) [13:58] chrisccoulson: thanks [13:59] congrats jbicha [14:00] jbicha: hang on [14:01] jbicha: do you know about the "dch -r / debcommit -r" procedure? [14:01] jbicha: i. e. once you upload, the former changes UNRELEASED to oneiric (and updates timestamp, etc.), and the latter commits that change as "release 1.2.3-4" [14:01] and tags it with the version number [14:01] that way you can reconstruct every upload from bzr [14:02] bzr branch -r tag:1.2.3-4 or something [14:02] pitti: thanks, I found that part on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Bzr [14:02] it didn't mention dput but that apparently is pretty easy [14:03] jbicha: right, as that's not special to bzr [14:06] pitti: some changes should have a second person confirm before upload, right? what's the threshold for that? [14:07] jbicha, use your own judgment, when you feel like it would be good to have a second opinion ask there [14:07] jbicha, if you get it wrong we will tell you ;-) [14:08] but if you are unsure ask for the first times and we will tell you if that's a case where you don't need to bother [14:12] Argh! Dobey. [14:12] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/banshee/+bug/788532 [14:12] Ubuntu bug 788532 in banshee "U1 music store plugin severely delays banshee startup" [Medium,Confirmed] [14:12] this has been your fault the entire time! [14:16] jcastro: it's not my fault [14:16] I have a 6gb SATA SSD, it takes like 20 seconds for my banshee to launch [14:16] it takes me longer to launch my music player than to boot my entire laptop [14:17] in fact, nothing in the code I wrote for that, should actually be causing it to slow down [14:17] at least, not significantly [14:17] the code is using asynchronous GIO APIs to scan the files [14:18] well, until it has to talk to ubuntuone-syncdaemon, which i think is probably synchronous [14:20] if i had an infinite amount of time to make everything perfect, it wouldn't matter anyway, because we wouldn't use banshee as i'd just write a music player that wasn't awful :) === m_conley_away is now known as m_conley [14:24] it hangs for ages waiting for the syncdaemon [14:24] you can see that if you start up with --debug [14:27] dobey: ok so basically you don't like the import feature so instead of fixing it you're going to just make the experience suck for everyone else? [14:27] jcastro: no, the import feature is a separate problem, and just makes the issue worse [14:28] jcastro: the problem is i don't have time to fix it, and the way banshee works makes it basically impossible to do correctly [14:41] I getting this error compiling dbus-glib: http://paste.ubuntu.com/685326/ should I report a bug? [14:42] tremolux [14:42] (is me) ;) [14:45] davmor2: found that bug number which duplicates a search in the Sw center? [14:45] *search results [14:45] tremolux, are you talking to yourself? ;) [14:45] czajkowski: theres a couple [14:45] davmor2: more duplicates :p [14:45] chrisccoulson: indeed :p [14:46] tremolux, perhaps you need a vacation :) [14:46] czajkowski: do you mean this one: bug 840235 [14:46] Launchpad bug 840235 in software-center "When entering software name in search text field ex."VLC" 2 search results with the same name appear" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/840235 [14:47] tremolux: yes happenign in oneiric [14:47] *happening [14:47] czajkowski: couple of bugs If you have time to look at them, bug 840235 and bug 830508 the latter should be fixed [14:47] Launchpad bug 830508 in software-center "s-c shows duplicate packages (i386 multiarch on amd64 install)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/830508 [14:47] really shouldn't eat while typing [14:47] Surely you shouldn't type, while eating? [14:47] so, what's the libunity version with the new/broken API? [14:48] czajkowski: the duplicated search results issue, bug 840235, is fixed in trunk and we plan to release tomorrow [14:48] Launchpad bug 840235 in software-center "When entering software name in search text field ex."VLC" 2 search results with the same name appear" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/840235 [14:48] tremolux: grand so I shouldn't comment on it now so ? [14:48] jpds: czajkowski name is Laura not Shirley (doesn't work as well when you need to type it) [14:49] davmor2: next time you're in Millbank I will come in ther and give you such a wallop! [14:49] czajkowski: the multiarch bug, bug 830508, is a database issue and is not yet fixed [14:49] Launchpad bug 830508 in software-center "s-c shows duplicate packages (i386 multiarch on amd64 install)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/830508 [14:49] czajkowski: A /wallops ? [14:49] ha! "wallop", I love that word [14:49] test [14:49] hello everyone [14:50] could you tell me how to late "listening" of line-in [14:50] tremolux: I have others, but can't use them in here! but all are appropiate towards davmor2 :) [14:50] tremolux: you won't love it so much if you're on the receiving end ;) [14:50] "wallop"? It's all getting a bit violent in here isn't it? ;) [14:50] this is usually a wonderful, friendly and happy place :) [14:51] chrisccoulson: I bring out the best in people :D [14:51] lol [14:51] :-D [14:51] chrisccoulson: there is a reason I created other channels when I need t properly express myself in my irish way :) [14:51] heh :) [14:56] jjardon, let me check [14:57] so, libunity broke the API but it still has the same so version? [14:57] pitti, it seems you didn't push your gnome-icon-theme update to the vcs, do you still have it on disk and can push or should I just import the revision? [14:57] rodrigo_, no, it has a new soname, it didn't get uploaded yet though [14:57] ah [14:58] rodrigo_, it's a preventive "work coming today" from didrocks ;-) [14:58] ok [15:04] anyone want to do an easy sponsoring? :) https://code.launchpad.net/~dobey/ubuntu/oneiric/banshee/suggest-u1ms/+merge/74618 [15:05] Laney, ^ [15:10] cyphermox_, thanks for the evolution updates! === lan3y is now known as Laney [15:14] wtf [15:14] launchpad gives me a permissions error when i try to move a bug to ubuntu/thunderbird [15:15] what bug? [15:15] chrisccoulson: it must be your fault [15:15] i.e bug number [15:15] bug #743096 [15:15] Launchpad bug 743096 in ubuntuone-client "contacts only sync with evolution not with thunderbird" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/743096 [15:15] it's always my fault ;) [15:15] was trying to move it and assign to chrisccoulson and mark as fix committed [15:15] weird [15:15] dobey, do you select the * distribution and enter a package name? [15:16] dobey, is desktopcouch working now? [15:16] rather than the * project [15:16] it worked if i assigned to nobody instead of chrisccoulson [15:16] chrisccoulson: no, but tb works with e-d-s already right? [15:16] dobey, yeah [15:16] chrisccoulson: so if it's already set up, the fix in thunderbird is "committed" :) [15:17] or released even, but desktopcouch is still busted [15:17] seb128: ah, right, stupid launchpad UI keeps confusing me with that :( === _Tommeh is now known as Tommeh [15:20] dobey, i've kept the tbird task open for now, so i can use that for tracking the packaging of the thunderbird-couchdb addon [15:21] chrisccoulson: ok. i just wanted to move it off of ubuntuone-client, which it is clearly unrelated to :) [15:21] sure, no problem :) [15:23] dobey, is there a bug for tracking the desktopcouch bustage? [15:23] we should be tracking that for oneiric really, if people are expecting U1 contact sync to work in tbird [15:24] bug 825280 is caused by it [15:24] Launchpad bug 825280 in thunderbird "Repeated Ubuntu One address book errors" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/825280 [15:24] chrisccoulson: yes, mark any bugs like that as dup of 817656 [15:24] thanks === smstacking is now known as smspillaz === dpm is now known as dpm_ [15:31] hmmm, i should probably review the couchdb merge, seeing as i did the spidermonkey 1.8.5 port === kklimonda is now known as Guest27664 === jjardon_ is now known as jjardon [15:32] well i just dded the ffe bits to that bug. will file the demotion bug as soon as i return from lunch :) [15:32] seb128: nevermind [15:32] seems to be fixed in the current dbus-glib package [15:32] https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=34282 [15:32] Freedesktop bug 34282 in GLib "[PATCH] Fix linking order" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] [15:33] jjardon, sorry I got busy with other things and forgot about that [15:33] jjardon, we have this version in oneiric no? [15:33] jjardon, what did you try to build before? [15:34] seb128: the version gnome has in jhbuild [15:34] oh ok [15:34] jhbuild probably needs an update then [15:34] ;-) [15:34] seb128: yeah ;) [15:35] seb128: ubuntu has the up-to-date package with the fix: 0.94 [15:35] great [15:37] right, exercise time [15:37] back in an hour or so === eeejay_is_afk is now known as eeejay [15:38] chrisccoulson, "enjoy"? ;-) [15:38] lol [15:38] actually, it's starting to make quite a refreshing change from drinking beer ;) [15:39] and i'm 7kg lighter for it :) === eeejay is now known as eeejay_is_afk === eeejay_is_afk is now known as eeejay [15:40] chrisccoulson, nice! keep in this way! [15:40] what sort of exercice do you do? [15:40] chrisccoulson, I agree with seb128, I've felt so much better and more productive since I've been exercising regularly [15:41] though, I haven't exactly *replaced* beer drinking with exercise [15:41] more of a supplement ;) [15:41] tremolux, pitti: will software-center will have its binary renamed "software-center" for oneiric? [15:42] * ronoc listens [15:42] tremolux, pitti: ronoc is asking what command the indicator-session entry should call [15:42] seb128: yes, that's done now and in trunk [15:42] ronoc, ^ [15:42] ronoc, seb128: release is planned for tomorrow around this time [15:42] tremolux, seb128, sweet [15:43] seb128, is it okay to put that into my release today, things will 'break' for 21 hours === eeejay is now known as eeejay_is_afk === eeejay_is_afk is now known as eeejay [15:43] ronoc, yeah [15:43] grand [15:43] ronoc, just put "will be fixed in the next s-c update" [15:43] will do [15:44] njpatel: do you know if the bluetooth indicator menu is planned to be moved as well? [15:44] ronoc, seb128: thanks guys :) [15:44] jbicha, yeah, it's inbetween power and network now [15:45] np :) [15:45] njpatel: thanks [15:53] tremolux, I don't actually have to make any changes for that anyway, it was 'software-center' all along :) [15:53] ronoc: ah, great! [16:08] dobey: ooh, couchdb into universe? +1000 [16:08] dobey: but won't it be pulled in through the ubuntuone-installer? [16:08] pitti, dobey: the new one from debian? [16:08] or do you stop using it now? [16:09] pitti, did you see my g-i-t question? [16:09] seb128: oops, pushing [16:09] pitti, danke [16:09] seb128: done, sorry [16:10] no worry, thanks [16:10] seb128: still catching up with IRC, I was out for a bit [16:10] (and shouldn't really be working any more, but erk the new gtk2 doesn't build any more) [16:10] pitti, (that can wait tomorrow) [16:11] yeah, and I'll stop as soon as Annett is done with her mail reading === Guest27664 is now known as kklimonda [16:25] pitti: installed by the installer for now, yes [16:25] dobey: hm, but as long as U1 actually relies on them, they ought to be in main IMHO [16:25] pitti: but putting it in universe will be easier for everyone i think [16:25] they have to be maintained either way [16:26] mterry, rickspencer3, all set for your UADW sessions later on? [16:26] pitti: yes, but in universe we don't need MIRs for new versions of couchdb (which i don't really understand why we'd need anyway) [16:26] dobey: you don't need a MIR for new versions [16:26] dpm_, yeah, have to look up the classroom commands again though :) [16:26] dobey: you need an FFE, and that applies to universe as well [16:27] dpm_, yes [16:27] pitti: then why did dholbach mention the MainInclusionProcess on the couchdb merge? [16:27] I have way too much content, as usual [16:27] pitti: oh, because of the new dep which is in universe [16:27] mterry, cool, if you've got any trouble with the commands, just ask on #ubuntu-classroom-backstage [16:28] rickspencer3, cool. Too much content is good, I'm sure we can make another tutorial out of that! [16:28] * pitti -> dinner; will just return for the TB meeting today, otherwise TTFN [16:28] cheers pitti [16:29] anyway, i think it's best to move couchdb to universe [16:29] dobey: I think it'd be best if U1 stopped using it :) [16:29] it seems it causes quite a lot of trouble all along? or is that a wrong impression? [16:29] pitti: i won't disagree with that. :) [16:30] pitti, well u1 can go to universe [16:30] pitti, since they only want their installer on the CD [16:30] pitti, which can fetch couchdb, etc from universe [16:30] seb128: that feels weird to me, though [16:30] seb128: given how much of a frontline feature we sell this as, it really ought to be officially supported [16:30] yeah i'm fine with only the couchdb stuff being in universe, and the other stuff in main [16:31] I have to agree with pitti [16:31] it seems weird to have UI in the default install that basically begs the user to install desktopcouch [16:31] and then have desktopcouch not supported [16:31] (assuming I'm following the conversation correctly) [16:32] well the definition of "supported" is somewhat vague here [16:32] we (u1 team) have to support it no matter where we put it [16:32] right, so it should be in main [16:33] and I'd really would prefer having it at least on the DVDs [16:33] it's quite handy to try it on a live system [16:33] well feel free to argue with chipaca/cparrino on that front :) [16:34] rickspencer3, well, it feel weird to me that we drop u1 from the CD to put an installer to start with [16:34] it just seems like "we actually totally rely on couchdb right now, but we don't want to" :) [16:35] seb128++ [16:35] the u1 team are looking at replacements for couchdb, btw [16:35] \o/ [16:36] * pitti -> really off now [16:36] bye pitti [16:36] seb128, well, U1 has no purpose without a network connection [16:36] 'night pitti [16:36] and not everyone wants the features [16:36] AND it's hard to update as fast as they need [16:37] rickspencer3, same with a webbrowser [16:37] so, I think the installer way was a good solution [16:37] or an email client [16:37] or an im client [16:37] or gwibber [16:37] or ... [16:37] ;-) [16:37] indeed [16:37] but you need a browser to get started [16:37] and their is local content [16:37] that's why the first thing i do after install is a bunch of apt-get remove stuff [16:38] to get started with what? [16:38] solitaire doesn't need you to have firefox :) [16:41] ok, so gwibber only builds with old vala === seif is now known as seiflotfy [16:46] didrocks, with 0-12? [16:46] yeah [16:47] didrocks, that's fine, we will keep both versions this cycle [16:47] ah ok, I thought I had broken it with the last 0.13 upload [16:47] and they are not runtime requirements [16:47] so not on the CD [16:47] seb128: yeah, just frustrating when you have already a lot building in // and have to restart one :) [16:48] yeah, gwibber is small enough so that's ok ;-) [16:48] it could be firefox! [16:49] seb128: not small enough when you have 5 // builds :p [16:54] out for bit, later all [16:55] see you rodrigo_ [16:58] is it known that restart required no longer appears in unity-2d? [17:02] didrocks: ^^ [17:03] micahg: it's by design [17:03] micahg: it's in the shurtdown dialog [17:03] orly? how do people know when to reboot [17:03] shutdown* [17:04] micahg: ah, you mean, the additional entry when a restart is required after a kernel upgrade for instance? [17:04] didrocks: no, I mean about after updates that a reboot is required [17:04] micahg: I didn't check the spec, but better to check with ronoc [17:04] is he around? [17:04] here i am [17:05] ronoc: so, what do you think about the above? [17:06] micahg, I think that todays release 'should' fix it but considering the grief I had to try to get any sort of deterministic behaviour out of the apt dbus api bugs may appear yes [17:06] ronoc: which version is that so I can make sure to check later? [17:07] micahg, 0.3.5 , ill release in a bit [17:07] * micahg guesses a better question is version of what... [17:07] indicator-session [17:08] ronoc: ok, thanks [17:08] micahg, np [17:08] * micahg will try to postpone rebooting until then [17:28] that's better [17:36] Laney: btw, did you not see https://code.launchpad.net/~dobey/ubuntu/oneiric/banshee/suggest-u1ms/+merge/74618 ? [17:41] dobey: nope [17:41] you don't even /want/ it shipped by default, then? [17:43] Laney: ubuntuone-installer is the only thing we want installed by default, and it will install the ubuntu one pieces [17:44] ok [17:44] if that bug doesn't get fixed I expect we might want to release note it [17:45] well i don't have time to fix it for oneiric [17:45] maybe my bug is a different one though [17:45] I get "** (Banshee:13414): DEBUG: Syncdaemon not running, waiting for it to start in NameOwnerChanged [17:45] " [17:46] and then it stops for about 20 seconds [17:46] hmm [17:46] and then a timeout [17:46] i think your bug is different then [17:46] (it is correct that I'm probably not running the syncdaemon though) [17:46] but perhaps similar [17:46] ** (Banshee:13414): WARNING **: Error rescanning Purchased Music: No such file or directory [17:47] and the store just says "Cannot resolve proxy hostname ()" [17:48] is there debhelper magic for installing apport hooks? [17:48] Laney: ok, i think you perhaps have a separate issue then [17:49] chrisccoulson, sudo apt-get install dh-apport [17:49] I'm running a custom session, maybe that has something to do with why you can't start the syncdaemon [17:49] seb128, thanks [17:49] anyway, whatever the reason is the extension shouldn't block the UI for that long and should probably just fail to load if it's not going to work [17:49] chrisccoulson, yw [17:50] chrisccoulson, I tend to just list the hook in the .install though, I don't see much of the point to add a build-depends and an helper instead ;-) [17:50] yeah, it's probably easier for me to just do that :) [17:50] i'm going to add a hook to all the mozilla extensions in the archive, which will just gather all the info provided by the firefox hook [17:51] would be nice to have dh_apport in debhelper rather than a different build-depends [17:51] rickspencer3: Ahoy! [17:51] hi nigelb [17:51] I'm coming, be there soon ;) [17:51] rickspencer3: could you join #ubuntu-classroom, #ubuntu-classroom-backstage, and #ubuntu-classroom-chat? [17:51] heh :) [17:51] nigelb, give me just a couple of minutes [17:51] I'll be right there [17:52] sure, np. 10 mins to go :) [17:53] pitti: seb128: FYI, unity-2d last release is broken (places segfault), and as it's tightly linked with the new unity and the whole 11 packages set, I will upload tomorrow morning with an unity-2d fix (no more dx guys around) [17:53] didrocks: nod [17:53] didrocks, or just break unity-2d for the night ;-) [17:53] seb128: not really, I don't break things :-) [17:53] meh, gtk+2.0 also failing on missing docs [17:53] what the heck broke ther? [17:54] e [17:54] didrocks, updates would be set on hold anyway [17:54] didrocks, it would give you other things built during the night and unity-3d testers [17:54] but ok, your call [17:54] seb128: yeah, and people making partial upgrades and such, I know the song :) [17:54] didrocks, well, you make unhappy people either way [17:54] but your call [17:54] let's delay on tomorrow morning the whole release [17:55] ok [18:23] pitti: seb128: I uploaded to the ubuntu-desktop ppa and launched a call for testing on the french forum warning about unity-2d to not loose a day of testing [18:29] didrocks, hi, do you know if there is a guide how the ubuntu iso builing is working? [18:30] ricotz: it's based on seeds, you should first check them [18:30] meaning which branches and scripts are involved [18:30] ricotz: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeedManagement those are the sources, then, we have some tools in the data server using those sources. [18:31] i see, and they use the debian-cd scripts [18:32] ricotz: right, IIRC, we have some modification to it [18:32] ricotz: cjwatson is definitively the one to ask about it [18:32] yeah there is a special ubuntu branch of it [18:33] didrocks, ok [18:34] didrocks, thanks [18:35] * didrocks heads to dinner now, see you tomorrow guys! === eeejay is now known as eeejay_is_afk [18:52] tedg, you giving a talk in 9 minutes? [18:52] mterry, Yup, preparing notes :-) [18:53] tedg, join #ubuntu-classroom-backstage [18:58] mterry: you suck at change descriptions btw. :) [18:59] dobey, how do you mean? [18:59] mterry: your changelog for https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntuone-couch/0.2.0-0ubuntu4 makes it seem like our server is broken [19:00] mterry: had a user a bit confused/worried yesterday about stuff somehow magically becoming insecure, after reading the changelog in update-manager [19:00] people read those?! :) === abhinav_ is now known as abhinav- === eeejay_is_afk is now known as eeejay [20:32] hrmm, i think apport is broken maybe. have a bug where it seems to have ignored the crashdb config === m_conley is now known as m_conley_away === eeejay is now known as eeejay_is_afk [21:30] Anyone using unity with two monitors here? [21:33] Trevinho, I use it occasionally. [21:33] OwaisL: since I'd need some feedback on latest trunk [21:34] first, where the indicators should show? Always on the left-most screen? [21:34] (right edge, of course) [21:34] Or better... Configure this scenario: two screens put one near the other... [21:37] I like them on both screens but that's personal I mean I don't have to turn my head to check the status of an app but on left most makes sense too. [21:38] but again their are people who use even 3 monitors, it would be troublesome to travel from 3rd monitor to first just to click transmission [21:38] Trevinho, ^ [21:45] OwaisL: ok... I could agree with you about that [21:45] but now I'd more need the de-facto status [21:45] since, I guess there's something wrong in the current trunk [21:46] so, the menus, for each, application.... Are there in the screen they belong to, isn't it? [21:46] you [21:47] right, indicators on all screens and menu only on current makes most sense for me [21:49] but OwaisL I would like to know how they are now.where are the the menus? [21:50] Oh, I did not pay attention to menu on other screens so don't know if they are there too and I can only confirm in the morning. Lying cozily in the bed right now. Sorry! [21:52] Ah, ok... no problem [21:52] thank you anyway === eeejay_is_afk is now known as eeejay === Guest87485 is now known as gord [23:06] jasoncwarner_: ping? === eeejay is now known as eeejay_is_afk