[06:06] <joelesko> micahg:
[06:08] <joelesko> micahg: I'm wondering where the mercurial source tree is for the current seamonkey. It should be the same place as Thunderbird.
[06:09] <micahg> joelesko: http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/comm-release/
[06:10] <joelesko> Thank you. Finally I see it. I think the wiki page needs to be updated.
[06:12] <joelesko> Have to localized TB?
[06:15] <micahg> joelesko: ?
[06:15] <micahg> joelesko: our wiki?
[06:16] <joelesko> no, the Mozilla wiki pages for code are out of date. They kept pointing to the top branches
[06:16] <micahg> heh, yeah, well, this just started a few months ago
[06:17] <joelesko> I think with the 2.2 I gave up looking for the repo and just grabbed the tar source files
[06:18] <joelesko> I was wondering what happened, but no time to research
[06:19] <joelesko> Are you using the new build system as firefox?
[06:19]  * micahg doesn't understand the question
[06:20] <micahg> joelesko: BTW, you need to mirror thunderbird, not firefox for the tarball creation
[06:21] <joelesko> You or chris told me to look at ~mozillateam/firefox/firefox-trunk.head
[06:22] <joelesko> I think I'm finding that out.
[06:23] <joelesko> Is ThunderBird using the same type of system as Firefox?
[06:24] <joelesko> It used to rely on mozclient ( I think that is what it is called.)
[06:28] <micahg> joelesko: yes, sorry, probably me, yes, it was converted at well, please look at lp:thunderbird
[06:29] <micahg> it should just be able to handle pulling the code from comm-release + mozilla-release whereas firefox just pulls from mozilla-release
[06:30] <joelesko> Will do. I'm only about 15% into the firefox files and wasn't sure if FF had files in seperate repos like seamonkey used to, or still does.
[06:32] <joelesko> now that's making more sense. I just pulled the comm-release and it looked a little light.
[06:32] <joelesko> What were they thinking. I thought it was all going to be under one repo by now.
[06:32] <micahg> yeah, it's just mail, suite, calendar
[06:33] <joelesko> Are you sure I can't just use the source tar files ;-) They are so easy to pull.
[06:35] <joelesko> Do you keep the clone repors in the same place and just do a pull, or do you do an entire pull everytime you get-orig-source?
[06:36] <micahg> I do an entire pull, idk what chrisccoulson does
[06:38] <joelesko> the lp:thunderbird builds the nightly?
[06:40] <joelesko> Some comments in the branch.mk would be nice
[06:41] <micahg> joelesko: yeah, that's trunk
[06:46] <joelesko> What do you mean by trunk? Like the way SVN uses it?
[06:50] <micahg> joelesko: sorry, comm-central
[06:50] <micahg> thunderbird nightly
[06:51] <micahg> joelesko: I'm heading for bed, chrisccoulson should be on in 1-3 hours if you need something else
[06:51] <joelesko> micahg: thanks for the help
[06:51] <micahg> joelesko: anytime
[10:58] <chrisccoulson> joelesko, you might be better off looking at the thunderbird branch btw. that contains everything needed to create a seamonkey source tarball
[10:58] <chrisccoulson> there's a few reasons why we create our own btw:
[10:58] <chrisccoulson> 1) We strip a lot of binary files from it
[10:59] <chrisccoulson> 2) It's necessary for running nightlies
[10:59] <chrisccoulson> 3) We merge all of the translation repo's in to it
[10:59] <chrisccoulson> 4) We can create our tarball and start builds before that happens upstream
[10:59] <chrisccoulson> i think that's it :)
[11:03] <chrisccoulson> this should work for seamonkey - http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/thunderbird/thunderbird-trunk.head/view/head:/debian/build/create-tarball
[11:04] <chrisccoulson> except you want to drop "l10n/*/suite" from EXCLUDE, and add "l10n/*/mail" to it instead
[11:04] <chrisccoulson> and you'd need to update ALL_LOCALES, SHIPPED_LOCALES and VERSION_FILE to their seamonkey equivalents
[11:05] <chrisccoulson> which i guess is just s/mail/suite/
[11:06] <chrisccoulson> and yes, i keep a local cache of all the repo's so that i don't need to pull the whole thing each time :)
[13:05] <bhearsum> m_conley_away: which Unity extension do i want when running the Mozilla-built Earlybird? Messaging Menu Integration?
[13:08] <chrisccoulson> bhearsum, hi
[13:08] <chrisccoulson> you're not running the ubuntu-built earlybird? ;)
[13:08] <chrisccoulson> it comes with that extension
[13:08] <chrisccoulson> actually
[13:08] <bhearsum> i was, but i'm feeling like i should be dog-fooding the Mozilla stuff for awhile
[13:31] <bhearsum> heh, the Mozilla ones are really not great compared to the Ubuntu ones
[13:34] <chrisccoulson> oh, how come?
[13:35] <bhearsum> well, profile sharing between them doesn't seem to work - i got a session from months ago when I started our Nightly Firefox. Then there's unity/menu integration, which didn't seem to work at all
[13:36] <chrisccoulson> we actually change our nightlies to run in an entirely separate profile (and make it possible to run it alongside a build from any other branch too)
[13:36] <bhearsum> ah
[13:36] <bhearsum> so that's a feature :)
[13:36] <chrisccoulson> we can make them co-installable then, and not interfere with each other :)
[13:36] <chrisccoulson> which is how i work (i run beta / nightly alongside each other)
[13:37] <bhearsum> ah
[14:22] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: hey - since the messaging menu extension has mostly become your code, I've made you a reviewer too.  :)
[14:22] <chrisccoulson> m_conley, oh, thanks :)
[14:22] <chrisccoulson> m_conley, do you want to move it to https://launchpad.net/~extension-hackers too?
[14:23] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: oh, yes, that's a good idea
[14:23] <chrisccoulson> thanks
[14:23] <chrisccoulson> m_conley, i was just thinking about that actually, as some people still think that we request attention for too many messages
[14:24] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: so perhaps we need finer grain controls - folder by folder?
[14:24] <chrisccoulson> what do you think about dropping messages which have a Sender field, where Sender != From?
[14:24] <chrisccoulson> that would filter out most automated mail, like bug mail
[14:24] <m_conley> Hm
[14:24] <chrisccoulson> m_conley, the only issue with per-folder controls is that there's no reliable way to identify folders in thunderbird atm
[14:24] <chrisccoulson> (ie, there's no persistent URI for those)
[14:25] <chrisccoulson> i think there's a bug for that somewhere
[14:25] <chrisccoulson> m_conley, mozilla bug 671205
[14:25] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: are you sure?  I could have sworn that folders have URIs, or GUIDs or something
[14:25] <ubot2`> Mozilla bug 671205 in Database "Provide persistent unique folder ids for add-on developers, no need to manage rename/renaming and move/moving for folder-specific preferences" [Enhancement,New: ] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=671205
[14:25] <m_conley> hunh.  Go figure.
[14:25] <chrisccoulson> m_conley, yeah, but they don't persist across moves/renames
[14:25] <chrisccoulson> so we're a bit screwed there atm :)
[14:25] <m_conley> Ahhhh, right
[14:25] <m_conley> IMAP
[14:27] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: Sender != From sounds like a good starter solution.  Do people who get tons and tons of bugmail use filters?  I wonder how easy it'd be to hook in a filter action that was "do not indicate".
[14:27] <chrisccoulson> m_conley, yeah, that would be another possibility
[14:27] <chrisccoulson> i'm just wondering if there is any other scenario where Sender != From
[14:28] <chrisccoulson> after looking through my inbox, it looks like that would catch all automated mails, which would be good :)
[14:28] <chrisccoulson> but i'm not sure if it would reject anything else
[14:28] <m_conley> I usually ask bienvenu those questions - he's probably seen everything there is to see about mail headers, and their various permutations.
[14:28] <chrisccoulson> it seems that people only really want the icon to turn blue for mail that's been directly sent to them from another real person
[14:29] <chrisccoulson> which makes sense
[14:29] <m_conley> I suppose, yes.  I'd hate to overlook a legitimate case though, where Sender != From.
[14:30] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: if you remember, maybe in a few hours, when bienvenu comes online, we can get his opinion.
[14:30] <chrisccoulson> thanks
[14:38] <chrisccoulson> hmmm, i've just updated my local comm-central, and i can't get it to build :/
[14:38] <chrisccoulson> make[7]: *** No rule to make target `pldhash.c', needed by `pldhash.o'. Stop.
[14:39] <chrisccoulson> i get that even after a clobber
[14:41] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: hrm...that's not good.  tbpl doesn't show any signs of major build breakages:  http://build.mozillamessaging.com/tinderboxpushlog/?tree=ThunderbirdTrunk
[14:41] <chrisccoulson> m_conley, it's fallout from mozilla bug 675618, and all of our normal builds work too
[14:41] <ubot2`> Mozilla bug 675618 in XPCOM "Crash during startup on ARM when linked with recent GNU ld" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=675618
[14:42] <chrisccoulson> i'm not sure why this doesn't work though :/
[14:42] <chrisccoulson> perhaps i should just rm -rf the whole repo and clone it again ;)
[14:42] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: oof
[14:42] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: well, if you must.  :)
[14:42] <chrisccoulson> it might be faster than figuring out what's actually broken with it :)
[14:44] <chrisccoulson> ok, deleted ;)
[14:55] <chrisccoulson> huh? https://launchpadlibrarian.net/79333365/Themes.txt
[14:55] <chrisccoulson> that's a bit strange
[14:56] <chrisccoulson> only one theme, and it's not even active
[16:08]  * micahg hopes we have FF/TB 7 Final candidates for beta 2
[17:53] <chrisccoulson> hi joelesko
[17:53] <chrisccoulson> did you see my responses earlier on?
[17:54] <bhearsum> micahg: when is the cut-off for beta 2?
[17:54] <micahg> bhearsum: sep 15
[17:54] <micahg> bhearsum: we can push that a little if absolutely necessary
[17:54] <bhearsum> probably not :(
[17:55] <bhearsum> historically, we only build the RCs 5 or 6 days ahead of the release
[17:55] <bhearsum> which would be sept 21/22
[17:55] <chrisccoulson> bhearsum, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricReleaseInterlock
[17:55] <chrisccoulson> i added the mozilla dates to that now
[17:55] <micahg> bhearsum: I thought the plan for the release train was 2 weeks before
[17:55] <micahg> for the final beta which should be the final build
[17:55] <bhearsum> micahg: not that i've ever heard
[17:56] <bhearsum> that's not how it's ever worked out, at least :(
[17:56] <micahg> right, which is frustrating for me doing stable release testing
[17:56] <micahg> bhearsum: we can ship a beta in beta 2
[17:56] <micahg> we'll throw the final beta in
[17:56] <micahg> after beta 2, we'll upload the release build which should be what we release oneiric with
[17:57] <bhearsum> realistically, i don't think the final beta will be until the 19th or 20th
[17:57] <bhearsum> that sounds fine to me
[17:57]  * micahg should really let chrisccoulson say all this since he'll be doing the work :)
[17:57] <bhearsum> hehe :)
[17:57] <chrisccoulson> hah, i'm on vacation by the 27th ;)
[17:58] <bhearsum> oh, also FYI: December 20th is in theory the scheduled release date for Firefox 8, but given how close that is to holidays, we might do something different there
[17:58] <chrisccoulson> although, i'll still be hanging around to handle the release around then
[17:58] <micahg> right, but the final build will be available the week before, if it misses you, I'll take care of it
[17:58] <chrisccoulson> but i really won't be around during the following week
[17:58] <bhearsum> it hasn't been figured out at all, just wanted to give you guys a far in advance heads up
[17:58] <chrisccoulson> bhearsum, yeah, i can't imagine anyone will want to do a release on 20th december :)
[17:58] <chrisccoulson> i certainly won't be around then ;)
[17:58] <micahg> chrisccoulson: are you gone for 1 week or 2?
[17:59] <chrisccoulson> i will probably be drinking mulled wine somewhere by december 20th
[17:59] <chrisccoulson> micahg, i'm away for 2 weeks
[17:59] <micahg> chrisccoulson: ok, well, I guess I'll be taking care of any final RC bugs then :)
[17:59] <chrisccoulson> heh
[18:00] <chrisccoulson> i'll be back just in time for the archive to open up for p
[18:00] <micahg> heh, I'll be off on release day
[18:09] <chrisccoulson> i can't believe it will be UDS again in a few weeks
[18:09] <chrisccoulson> looking forward to actually seeing some sun :)
[18:11] <bhearsum> haha
[18:11] <bhearsum> is London's summer over already?
[18:12] <chrisccoulson> bhearsum, i live in birmingham, which is even worse than london
[18:12] <bhearsum> oh
[18:12] <chrisccoulson> the sky is perpetually gray here ;)
[18:12] <bhearsum> north of London?
[18:12]  * bhearsum looks at a map
[18:12] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i'm a couple of hours north of london
[18:13] <bhearsum> ah
[18:14] <chrisccoulson> it even stays miserable during the winter. whilst other parts of the country get nice, festive snowfall, it just carries on raining on birmingham ;)
[18:14] <bhearsum> wow, i didn't realize Manchester was so far north either
[18:15] <bhearsum> oh, nice :)
[18:15] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i actually fly to orlando from manchester
[18:15] <chrisccoulson> even though i live 15 minutes away from birmingham airport
[18:15] <bhearsum> hehe
[18:15] <bhearsum> is birmingham not an international airport?
[18:16] <chrisccoulson> it is, but it doesn't fly to any good destinations. so, everytime i fly from birmingham, i need to get a connecting flight somewhere
[18:16] <bhearsum> ah
[18:16] <bhearsum> yeah, that sucks
[18:16] <chrisccoulson> it's not so bad travelling in europe, but i'd rather not have to deal with connecting flights when i travel to the US
[18:16] <bhearsum> yeah
[18:17] <bhearsum> i avoid connecting flights whenever possible
[18:17] <bhearsum> the next Mozilla get together is in San Jose, but i'm flying to San Francisco and taking the train the rest of the way so that i get to avoid Chicago and/or Denver
[18:18] <chrisccoulson> how long does the train take?
[18:19] <bhearsum> oh, probably 1-2h
[18:19] <chrisccoulson> ah, that's not too bad
[18:19] <bhearsum> even if it took twice the time i'd probably do it, just because it's more relaxing
[18:19] <chrisccoulson> just long enough to fall asleep for a bit :)
[18:19] <bhearsum> :)
[18:20]  * bhearsum continues to stare at the UK map to figure out where EPL teams actually are
[18:21] <chrisccoulson> heh
[18:21] <bhearsum> i seriously thought they were all around London :P
[18:22] <chrisccoulson> generally, most things are around london ;)
[18:22] <chrisccoulson> or, at least south of the north circular
[18:22]  * micahg wonders what bhearsum has against Chicago...
[18:24] <bhearsum> micahg: nothing against Chicago, lots against flying and airports :)
[18:24] <micahg> heh
[18:24] <bhearsum> i went all the way around the world in april/may, i'm avoiding any extra miles in the air that i can
[18:25] <chrisccoulson> heh
[19:18] <dino___> hi guys
[19:36] <micahg> hi dino___
[19:38] <dino___> hi :)
[19:39] <dino2> this name is slightly better.
[19:39] <dino2> is this channel strictly regarding mozilla security bugs or in general all of the bugs related to mozilla?
[19:40] <micahg> anything related to Mozilla in Ubuntu
[19:40] <dino2> that is great.
[19:48] <dino2> but well i am booted into my windows 7. i will check out the bugs when i boot into 11.10 :)
[19:49] <dino2> and will happen in the morning D:
[21:05] <FernandoMiguel> evening