[06:06] micahg: [06:08] micahg: I'm wondering where the mercurial source tree is for the current seamonkey. It should be the same place as Thunderbird. [06:09] joelesko: http://hg.mozilla.org/releases/comm-release/ [06:10] Thank you. Finally I see it. I think the wiki page needs to be updated. [06:12] Have to localized TB? [06:15] joelesko: ? [06:15] joelesko: our wiki? [06:16] no, the Mozilla wiki pages for code are out of date. They kept pointing to the top branches [06:16] heh, yeah, well, this just started a few months ago [06:17] I think with the 2.2 I gave up looking for the repo and just grabbed the tar source files [06:18] I was wondering what happened, but no time to research [06:19] Are you using the new build system as firefox? [06:19] * micahg doesn't understand the question [06:20] joelesko: BTW, you need to mirror thunderbird, not firefox for the tarball creation [06:21] You or chris told me to look at ~mozillateam/firefox/firefox-trunk.head [06:22] I think I'm finding that out. [06:23] Is ThunderBird using the same type of system as Firefox? [06:24] It used to rely on mozclient ( I think that is what it is called.) [06:28] joelesko: yes, sorry, probably me, yes, it was converted at well, please look at lp:thunderbird [06:29] it should just be able to handle pulling the code from comm-release + mozilla-release whereas firefox just pulls from mozilla-release [06:30] Will do. I'm only about 15% into the firefox files and wasn't sure if FF had files in seperate repos like seamonkey used to, or still does. [06:32] now that's making more sense. I just pulled the comm-release and it looked a little light. [06:32] What were they thinking. I thought it was all going to be under one repo by now. [06:32] yeah, it's just mail, suite, calendar [06:33] Are you sure I can't just use the source tar files ;-) They are so easy to pull. [06:35] Do you keep the clone repors in the same place and just do a pull, or do you do an entire pull everytime you get-orig-source? [06:36] I do an entire pull, idk what chrisccoulson does [06:38] the lp:thunderbird builds the nightly? [06:40] Some comments in the branch.mk would be nice [06:41] joelesko: yeah, that's trunk [06:46] What do you mean by trunk? Like the way SVN uses it? [06:50] joelesko: sorry, comm-central [06:50] thunderbird nightly [06:51] joelesko: I'm heading for bed, chrisccoulson should be on in 1-3 hours if you need something else [06:51] micahg: thanks for the help [06:51] joelesko: anytime [10:58] joelesko, you might be better off looking at the thunderbird branch btw. that contains everything needed to create a seamonkey source tarball [10:58] there's a few reasons why we create our own btw: [10:58] 1) We strip a lot of binary files from it [10:59] 2) It's necessary for running nightlies [10:59] 3) We merge all of the translation repo's in to it [10:59] 4) We can create our tarball and start builds before that happens upstream [10:59] i think that's it :) [11:03] this should work for seamonkey - http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/thunderbird/thunderbird-trunk.head/view/head:/debian/build/create-tarball [11:04] except you want to drop "l10n/*/suite" from EXCLUDE, and add "l10n/*/mail" to it instead [11:04] and you'd need to update ALL_LOCALES, SHIPPED_LOCALES and VERSION_FILE to their seamonkey equivalents [11:05] which i guess is just s/mail/suite/ [11:06] and yes, i keep a local cache of all the repo's so that i don't need to pull the whole thing each time :) [13:05] m_conley_away: which Unity extension do i want when running the Mozilla-built Earlybird? Messaging Menu Integration? [13:08] bhearsum, hi [13:08] you're not running the ubuntu-built earlybird? ;) [13:08] it comes with that extension [13:08] actually [13:08] i was, but i'm feeling like i should be dog-fooding the Mozilla stuff for awhile [13:31] heh, the Mozilla ones are really not great compared to the Ubuntu ones [13:34] oh, how come? [13:35] well, profile sharing between them doesn't seem to work - i got a session from months ago when I started our Nightly Firefox. Then there's unity/menu integration, which didn't seem to work at all [13:36] we actually change our nightlies to run in an entirely separate profile (and make it possible to run it alongside a build from any other branch too) [13:36] ah [13:36] so that's a feature :) [13:36] we can make them co-installable then, and not interfere with each other :) [13:36] which is how i work (i run beta / nightly alongside each other) [13:37] ah === m_conley_away is now known as m_conley [14:22] chrisccoulson: hey - since the messaging menu extension has mostly become your code, I've made you a reviewer too. :) [14:22] m_conley, oh, thanks :) [14:22] m_conley, do you want to move it to https://launchpad.net/~extension-hackers too? [14:23] chrisccoulson: oh, yes, that's a good idea [14:23] thanks [14:23] m_conley, i was just thinking about that actually, as some people still think that we request attention for too many messages [14:24] chrisccoulson: so perhaps we need finer grain controls - folder by folder? [14:24] what do you think about dropping messages which have a Sender field, where Sender != From? [14:24] that would filter out most automated mail, like bug mail [14:24] Hm [14:24] m_conley, the only issue with per-folder controls is that there's no reliable way to identify folders in thunderbird atm [14:24] (ie, there's no persistent URI for those) [14:25] i think there's a bug for that somewhere [14:25] m_conley, mozilla bug 671205 [14:25] chrisccoulson: are you sure? I could have sworn that folders have URIs, or GUIDs or something [14:25] Mozilla bug 671205 in Database "Provide persistent unique folder ids for add-on developers, no need to manage rename/renaming and move/moving for folder-specific preferences" [Enhancement,New: ] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=671205 [14:25] hunh. Go figure. [14:25] m_conley, yeah, but they don't persist across moves/renames [14:25] so we're a bit screwed there atm :) [14:25] Ahhhh, right [14:25] IMAP [14:27] chrisccoulson: Sender != From sounds like a good starter solution. Do people who get tons and tons of bugmail use filters? I wonder how easy it'd be to hook in a filter action that was "do not indicate". [14:27] m_conley, yeah, that would be another possibility [14:27] i'm just wondering if there is any other scenario where Sender != From [14:28] after looking through my inbox, it looks like that would catch all automated mails, which would be good :) [14:28] but i'm not sure if it would reject anything else [14:28] I usually ask bienvenu those questions - he's probably seen everything there is to see about mail headers, and their various permutations. [14:28] it seems that people only really want the icon to turn blue for mail that's been directly sent to them from another real person [14:29] which makes sense [14:29] I suppose, yes. I'd hate to overlook a legitimate case though, where Sender != From. [14:30] chrisccoulson: if you remember, maybe in a few hours, when bienvenu comes online, we can get his opinion. [14:30] thanks [14:38] hmmm, i've just updated my local comm-central, and i can't get it to build :/ [14:38] make[7]: *** No rule to make target `pldhash.c', needed by `pldhash.o'. Stop. [14:39] i get that even after a clobber [14:41] chrisccoulson: hrm...that's not good. tbpl doesn't show any signs of major build breakages: http://build.mozillamessaging.com/tinderboxpushlog/?tree=ThunderbirdTrunk [14:41] m_conley, it's fallout from mozilla bug 675618, and all of our normal builds work too [14:41] Mozilla bug 675618 in XPCOM "Crash during startup on ARM when linked with recent GNU ld" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=675618 [14:42] i'm not sure why this doesn't work though :/ [14:42] perhaps i should just rm -rf the whole repo and clone it again ;) [14:42] chrisccoulson: oof [14:42] chrisccoulson: well, if you must. :) [14:42] it might be faster than figuring out what's actually broken with it :) [14:44] ok, deleted ;) [14:55] huh? https://launchpadlibrarian.net/79333365/Themes.txt [14:55] that's a bit strange [14:56] only one theme, and it's not even active === dpm is now known as dpm_ === bdmurray_ is now known as bdmurray [16:08] * micahg hopes we have FF/TB 7 Final candidates for beta 2 [17:53] hi joelesko [17:53] did you see my responses earlier on? [17:54] micahg: when is the cut-off for beta 2? [17:54] bhearsum: sep 15 [17:54] bhearsum: we can push that a little if absolutely necessary [17:54] probably not :( [17:55] historically, we only build the RCs 5 or 6 days ahead of the release [17:55] which would be sept 21/22 [17:55] bhearsum, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricReleaseInterlock [17:55] i added the mozilla dates to that now [17:55] bhearsum: I thought the plan for the release train was 2 weeks before [17:55] for the final beta which should be the final build [17:55] micahg: not that i've ever heard [17:56] that's not how it's ever worked out, at least :( [17:56] right, which is frustrating for me doing stable release testing [17:56] bhearsum: we can ship a beta in beta 2 [17:56] we'll throw the final beta in [17:56] after beta 2, we'll upload the release build which should be what we release oneiric with [17:57] realistically, i don't think the final beta will be until the 19th or 20th [17:57] that sounds fine to me [17:57] * micahg should really let chrisccoulson say all this since he'll be doing the work :) [17:57] hehe :) [17:57] hah, i'm on vacation by the 27th ;) [17:58] oh, also FYI: December 20th is in theory the scheduled release date for Firefox 8, but given how close that is to holidays, we might do something different there [17:58] although, i'll still be hanging around to handle the release around then [17:58] right, but the final build will be available the week before, if it misses you, I'll take care of it [17:58] but i really won't be around during the following week [17:58] it hasn't been figured out at all, just wanted to give you guys a far in advance heads up [17:58] bhearsum, yeah, i can't imagine anyone will want to do a release on 20th december :) [17:58] i certainly won't be around then ;) [17:58] chrisccoulson: are you gone for 1 week or 2? [17:59] i will probably be drinking mulled wine somewhere by december 20th [17:59] micahg, i'm away for 2 weeks [17:59] chrisccoulson: ok, well, I guess I'll be taking care of any final RC bugs then :) [17:59] heh [18:00] i'll be back just in time for the archive to open up for p [18:00] heh, I'll be off on release day [18:09] i can't believe it will be UDS again in a few weeks [18:09] looking forward to actually seeing some sun :) [18:11] haha [18:11] is London's summer over already? [18:12] bhearsum, i live in birmingham, which is even worse than london [18:12] oh [18:12] the sky is perpetually gray here ;) [18:12] north of London? [18:12] * bhearsum looks at a map [18:12] yeah, i'm a couple of hours north of london [18:13] ah [18:14] it even stays miserable during the winter. whilst other parts of the country get nice, festive snowfall, it just carries on raining on birmingham ;) [18:14] wow, i didn't realize Manchester was so far north either [18:15] oh, nice :) [18:15] yeah, i actually fly to orlando from manchester [18:15] even though i live 15 minutes away from birmingham airport [18:15] hehe [18:15] is birmingham not an international airport? [18:16] it is, but it doesn't fly to any good destinations. so, everytime i fly from birmingham, i need to get a connecting flight somewhere [18:16] ah [18:16] yeah, that sucks [18:16] it's not so bad travelling in europe, but i'd rather not have to deal with connecting flights when i travel to the US [18:16] yeah [18:17] i avoid connecting flights whenever possible [18:17] the next Mozilla get together is in San Jose, but i'm flying to San Francisco and taking the train the rest of the way so that i get to avoid Chicago and/or Denver [18:18] how long does the train take? [18:19] oh, probably 1-2h [18:19] ah, that's not too bad [18:19] even if it took twice the time i'd probably do it, just because it's more relaxing [18:19] just long enough to fall asleep for a bit :) [18:19] :) [18:20] * bhearsum continues to stare at the UK map to figure out where EPL teams actually are [18:21] heh [18:21] i seriously thought they were all around London :P [18:22] generally, most things are around london ;) [18:22] or, at least south of the north circular [18:22] * micahg wonders what bhearsum has against Chicago... [18:24] micahg: nothing against Chicago, lots against flying and airports :) [18:24] heh [18:24] i went all the way around the world in april/may, i'm avoiding any extra miles in the air that i can [18:25] heh [19:18] hi guys [19:36] hi dino___ [19:38] hi :) === dino___ is now known as dino2 [19:39] this name is slightly better. [19:39] is this channel strictly regarding mozilla security bugs or in general all of the bugs related to mozilla? [19:40] anything related to Mozilla in Ubuntu [19:40] that is great. [19:48] but well i am booted into my windows 7. i will check out the bugs when i boot into 11.10 :) [19:49] and will happen in the morning D: [21:05] evening === m_conley is now known as m_conley_away