[00:02] <ali1234> andylockran: the doctree on this html file is absolutely nothing like you said it was :(
[00:12] <ali1234> andylockran: this doesn't work but it is a start: http://paste.ubuntu.com/684832/
[00:18] <ali1234> andylockran: i think i said this before, but the formatting of the content is going to be the problem here, not malformed xml
[00:19] <ali1234> since all this stuff was entered manually into word and exported to html, the xml is going to be perfect. but the content will be full of errors that need manually fixing anyway
[00:19] <ali1234> which is why they hired someone to just copy paste and fix it all
[06:24] <AlanBell> morning all
[06:47] <hoover> morning all
[07:04] <MooDoo> .away
[07:04] <MooDoo> morning
[07:05] <christel> morning tinkerbell, MooDoo
[07:07] <MooDoo> not evil today christel
[07:07] <MooDoo> ?
[07:07] <christel> no, incredibly well behaved!
[07:07] <christel> :D
[07:07] <MooDoo> christel: boring ;)
[07:07] <christel> any hatching yet? :)
[07:07]  * AlanBell doesn't believe that
[07:08] <MooDoo> christel: monday at the latest
[07:08] <christel> MooDoo: *nod*
[07:08] <AlanBell> my eldest was 13 days over in the end
[07:08] <christel> AlanBell: when are we pubbing next
[07:09] <AlanBell> christel: good question, so we have the 17th all lined up in London
[07:09] <AlanBell> but we should schedule the next one
[07:09] <christel> yes!
[07:10] <AlanBell> and by 17th I clearly mean the 22nd
[07:11] <AlanBell> http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-uk/1257/detail/
[07:11] <AlanBell> October 20th looks good for the second one
[07:13] <AlanBell> which might be the Farnborough area one
[07:13] <AlanBell> prince of Wales by Popey's house
[07:13] <christel> oooh you've moved it from the 17th
[07:13] <AlanBell> yes
[07:13] <AlanBell> it didn't stay long on the 17th :)
[07:13] <christel> hehe
[07:14] <AlanBell> maybe Nottingham in November
[07:15] <AlanBell> MooDoo will probably be allowed out by then
[07:15] <christel> haha
[07:15] <christel> ...or will he?
[07:16]  * AlanBell heads off for breakfast o/
[07:16] <christel> nom
[07:23] <MooDoo> christel: depends if i get a pass :)
[07:24] <christel> hehe
[07:24] <DJones> Morning
[07:24] <christel> morning DJones
[07:25] <DJones> Hi christel
[07:25] <DJones> & MooDoo
[07:25] <DJones> Any sign yet MooDoo
[07:31] <MooDoo> DJones: nothing yet, but it's going to be no later than monday
[07:31] <DJones> Heh, gives you chance to get the birthday out of the way tomorrow then
[07:33] <MooDoo> yeah
[07:35] <daubers> Morning
[07:37] <MooDoo> morning
[07:37]  * daubers needs to do some mqtt/arduino hacking for work 
[07:54]  * hoover 's playing around with wuala after Randal's recommendation on g+... nice!
[08:10] <Gary> hoover: can you go clean my house, thanks
[08:15] <bigcalm> Morning peeps :)
[08:16] <popey> Morning all
[08:17] <JamesTait> Mornin' all!
[08:18] <MooDoo> morning popey JamesTait
[08:19] <MooDoo> ffs why isn't single sign on letting me in .... grrrrr
[08:20] <MooDoo> ah  me being a pillock, that's what it is
[08:32] <danfish> most excellent - I have a full 'pass' from the other half for the 22nd meetup in Londinium
[08:46] <MooDoo> danfish: you lucky lucky thing ;)
[08:55] <danfish> MooDoo: I'll drink a beer for you :D
[08:57] <MooDoo> danfish: thanks pal :D
[08:58] <daubers> danfish: I can't make the 22nd :( Off to Birmingham for the day on the s4th so have no monies
[09:12] <danfish> daubers: :( I'm sure there will be others
[09:12] <HazRPG> \o
[09:12] <daubers> danfish: Indeed. Readings already on the list and that's a 10 minute bus trip away \o/
[09:13] <HazRPG> I wish irssi-proxy showed the last set of highlights or lines.
[09:29] <daubers> HazRPG: If wishes where horses, we'd all be eating steak
[09:31] <bigcalm> Can I have horse steak?
[09:31] <christel> nom.
[09:32] <bigcalm> I've had oxen, that was divine
[09:33] <oimon> eaten horse in russia..tasted like a chewy braised steak
[09:38] <aquarius_> HazRPG, not necessarily helpful, but bip does
[09:39] <AlanBell> ooh quadrocopters
[09:43] <danfish> AlanBell: ooh - where, where? Me want quadcopter!
[09:44] <AlanBell> at the transfer summit thing
[09:45] <danfish> AlanBell: are they open source?
[09:47] <AlanBell> a little I think
[09:50] <smittix> Anyone know of any Minecraft servers?
[09:53] <MooDoo> smittix: popeys
[09:53] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[09:54] <dogmatic69> o/
[09:54] <czajkowski> Aloha
[09:56] <gord> Ni how
[09:57] <MooDoo> morning
[09:57] <MooDoo> smittix: join #ubuntu-uk-minecraft
[10:02] <czajkowski> MooDoo: well????
[10:02] <MooDoo> czajkowski: nothing at moment.  if nothing happens over the next 4 days, we're getting induced on monday
[10:03] <czajkowski> have you made her eat lots of hot curries
[10:03] <Laney> I wouldn't want to come out either
[10:03] <Laney> having just missed summer
[10:03] <MooDoo> czajkowski: yes and pineapple and other things to get her started
[10:09] <AlanBell> danfish: it is open source
[10:25] <danfish> AlanBell: great - prob arduino controlled
[10:26] <daubers> Have been tempted to build a quadrocopter
[10:26] <daubers> but suspect the idea wouldn't take off
[10:26] <davmor2> morning all
[10:26] <davmor2> MooDoo: you a dad again yet?
[10:27] <dogmatic69> daubers: ha... ha...
[10:27] <dogmatic69> :P
[10:27]  * daubers gets his coat
[10:27] <MooDoo> davmor2: no, if nothing happens over next 4 days, induced monday
[10:28] <bigcalm> daubers: I fear peeps ignored the joke to save your feelings ;)
[10:28] <daubers> bigcalm: Ah, being a machine, I don't have feelings anyway. And that makes me sad
[10:31] <bigcalm> Heh
[10:37] <MooDoo> daubers: ok delayed reaction, badum-tish!!!
[10:37] <danfish> daubers: .......tumbleweed.......
[10:38] <danfish> I rather suspect that this platform may well get some daubers attention when released http://www.raspberrypi.org/
[10:39] <davmor2> danfish: I think you mean tumbleweed.popey.com
[10:41] <danfish> davmor2: that's the one :)
[10:44] <Fakunil> ich
[10:45] <daubers> danfish: Depends on the final cost :)
[10:48] <daubers> danfish: Also depends what the "general purpose I/O" things can be used for
[10:54] <davmor2> czajkowski: I thought that was on this channel :D  nevermind hey :)
[10:59] <czajkowski> davmor2: hahah
[11:18] <AlanBell> danfish: yeah it is arduino controlled they say
[11:18] <AlanBell> daubers: they want the GPIO thing to have lots of connectors for interesting things
[11:19] <AlanBell> Eben Upton who is the main driver of the project is a proper electronics geek
[11:19] <gord> going to google plus just makes me hungry since AlanBell started posting pictures of delicious looking food =\
[11:20] <JGJones> Is it wrong to lust after the raspberry pi?
[11:21] <czajkowski> JGJones: yes
[11:22] <czajkowski> AlanBell: how was the dinner last night
[11:22] <AlanBell> it was worth dressing up for :)
[11:27] <daubers> AlanBell: Oooooh.... brains for a robot then :)
[11:28] <AlanBell> daubers: one of the two they have is nearly autonomous
[11:30] <daubers> AlanBell: Robots?
[11:30] <daubers> I shall teach mine to feel love
[11:31] <daubers> Then smash  it! MUAHAHAHAHAQHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
[11:31] <AlanBell> !love #ubuntu-offtopic
[11:31] <daubers> That or make it protect my house
[11:31] <AlanBell> meh
[11:31] <AlanBell> !love-#ubuntu-offtopic
[11:31] <daubers> Are they planning to move to Armv7 at some point?
[11:32] <AlanBell> daubers: they would like to and have some thoughts around it
[11:32] <daubers> Excellent :) Could do some ubuntu-ey datacenter monitoring things with it too
[11:33] <AlanBell> part of the trouble is that the v7 chips are packaged with smaller pin separations so need more expensive pcb technology and are fussier about power so need better regulation
[11:35] <daubers> How long will debian be supporting the v6? Until they move to 3.0?
[11:35] <AlanBell> one more cycle I think
[11:35] <AlanBell> which could of course be a *long* time
[11:38] <daubers> heh :)
[11:41] <dogmatic69> is it possible to do rm /some/path/[regex|stuff]
[11:41] <kvarley> Is it possible to use VirtualBox to play games? Trying not to name drop here, so like DirectX11 games?
[11:42] <dogmatic69> kvarley: minecraft works fine on ubuntu :)
[11:42] <kvarley> dogmatic69: I know :) I play it xD
[11:42] <dogmatic69> no need for a VM then
[11:42] <kvarley> dogmatic69: I want it for FPS games lol
[11:42] <kvarley>  dogmatic69: I guess I should just try it out myself rather than asking lol
[11:43] <dogmatic69> kvarley: dont see why it wont work
[11:43] <MooDoo> kvarley: http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/virtualbox-3-directx.html
[11:43] <diplo> dogmatic69: You can do things like rm file[1-9].* or what ever i think
[11:43] <dogmatic69> x64 can be a pain and things like usb sharing.
[11:43] <diplo> I quite often use find execing rm
[11:50] <popey> kvarley: i just dual boot to windows 7 to play games
[11:51] <kvarley> popey: So do I, however I was just thinking how awesome it'd be to have it run virtually
[11:51] <popey> i dont believe it's fast enough
[11:51] <popey> or compatible enough
[11:51] <diplo> Just read the someone has got onlive working under wine
[11:51] <popey> yeah, thats an interesting project
[11:51] <diplo> I really am debating about trying it
[11:52] <diplo> not sure if it's hit the uk yet though
[11:52] <popey> it hasnt AFAIAA
[11:52] <popey> http://onlive.co.uk/
[11:52] <popey> 22/9
[11:53] <kvarley> Punkbuster is a real pain for playing games online through wine
[12:00] <dogmatic69> kvarley: maybe this is better for you http://synergy-foss.org/
[12:02] <kvarley> dogmatic69: That involves 2 systems tho
[12:34] <MooDoo> congrats czajkowski :)
[12:34] <czajkowski> cheers
[12:35] <daubers> czajkowski: Now employed?
[12:35] <czajkowski> daubers: aye as of next wednesday I have a job
[12:36] <daubers> Woo! Watcha doing and for whome?
[12:37] <czajkowski> codegent.com
[12:37] <czajkowski> PM work
[12:37] <MooDoo> czajkowski: bangkok office?
[12:37] <MooDoo> ;)
[12:38] <czajkowski> nope you wee *mutter*
[12:38] <czajkowski> London
[12:38] <MooDoo> lol ;)
[12:38] <daubers> czajkowski: Web design company?
[12:38] <daubers> (names a bit generic, site looks to be that way :) )
[12:39] <czajkowski> daubers: digital agency kinda stuff
[12:39] <MooDoo> looks a well established company, marketing and stuff
[12:39] <daubers> czajkowski: Okies, that'll keep you busy
[12:40] <Myrtti> can you rub some of your luck on me too, czajkowski
[12:40] <czajkowski> MooDoo: taken me 4 months
[12:40] <czajkowski> Myrtti: taken me 4 months
[12:40] <MooDoo> yeah :S  but it's looking up now :)
[12:44] <JGJones> Hey...have anyone gotten Amazon Kindle working via wine? I have it installed...but it's not downloading any books :S
[12:46] <oimon> JGJones: u telling me that u can't connect a kindle to ubuntu?
[12:46] <JGJones> sorry...to clarify - Kindle for PC
[12:46] <oimon> ah
[12:47] <oimon> my missis wants a kindle , need to investigate
[12:47] <MartijnVdS> maybe she said "cuddle" and you misheard?
[12:47] <JGJones> They're great for reading. Keep pinching my dad's whenever I visit
[12:48] <diplo> JGJones: Can you not use Calibre ?
[12:48] <JGJones> diplo, I do...but I do have books in Kindle with bookmarks/notes
[12:49] <diplo> :/
[12:49] <JGJones> diplo, main reason for Kindle - I read it on PC, phone and tablet - so it keep my progress in sync which I find useful
[12:49] <JGJones> although I do have backup copies on Calibre :)
[12:54] <nigelb> \o/
[12:54] <nigelb> Not Panicking Ltd is a win name for a company.
[12:54] <nigelb> Especially one that's going to take care of H2G2
[12:59] <czajkowski> http://www.lczajkowski.com/2011/09/08/rwc-warning/  You have all been warned
[13:03] <JGJones> not working tomorrow :D
[13:03] <JGJones> morning that is
[13:04] <bigcalm> czajkowski: and on twitter we have been warmed :D
[13:05] <davmor2> czajkowski: oh that reminds me how much did Ireland lose to England by recently?  /me runs for cover
[13:06] <JGJones> Badly :D
[13:07] <Laney> don't disconnect me :( :( :(
[13:07] <JGJones> I'm thinking it might be New Zealand's chance to win as they've constantly been one of the best team to play.
[13:07] <kazade> czajkowski: congrats on the job :)
[13:09]  * popey wonders why rugby should not be confused with rugby
[13:09] <czajkowski> fixed
[13:09] <czajkowski> kazade: thanks
[13:09] <MooDoo> JGJones: i'm thinking NZ too
[13:10] <davmor2> popey: Well rugby is a place where they make rugby cement and rugby is a game played with the wrong shaped ball :)
[13:11] <bigcalm> AlanBell: ping
[13:12] <oimon> disappointed that i need to install a binary blob for an hp printer :(
[13:16] <popey> oimon: which printer?
[13:16] <oimon> HP P1102
[13:17] <oimon> required hplip-gui package, then run hp-setup which downloads some blob
[13:17] <oimon> the ppd file says "you need a blob"
[13:17] <popey> ooer
[13:17] <Gary> giggity
[13:18] <oimon> apparently another free driver might work foo2zjs or something , but it's not standard in RHEL
[13:18] <bigcalm> Goo
[13:18] <oimon> ubuntu seem to have it
[13:22] <AlanBell> o/ bigcalm
[13:22] <bigcalm> Aha!
[13:23] <smittix> ADDICTED!
[13:24] <popey> :D
[13:24] <MooDoo> smittix: i lost 5 hours the other night to it :)
[13:25] <davmor2> oimon: yeah you might need splix too (although that might just be a samsung laser printer thing)
[13:25] <oimon> davmor2: we no longer buy samsung printers because of the faff involved
[13:25] <oimon> i want to kickstart a PC and be done, no extra faff
[13:26] <smittix> MooDoo: Yeah I think it's going to be a long night.
[13:26] <popey> shame no 1.8 today ☹
[13:27] <davmor2> oimon: mine works fine,  although talking to Big Ron last night we were joking about the fact that some of the cheapest, good quality drivers and prints are now from lexmark, who'd of thunk it?
[13:27] <MooDoo> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXjwg-CKxnQ
[13:27] <oimon> davmor2: lexmark are forever on my blacklist! for EVER!
[13:27] <bigcalm> popey: good job there is no 1.8 today otherwise no work would be done until next week
[13:29] <oimon> talking of blacklists, i'm just in the process of transferring VM junk mail into new envelopes without stamps so they have to pay surcharge
[13:29] <oimon> might chuck some scrap metal in too
[13:31] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Laura Czajkowski] RWC Warning - http://www.lczajkowski.com/2011/09/08/rwc-warning/
[13:36] <JGJones> oimon - I second that. Lexmark is on my blacklist too :)
[13:36] <diplo> I've thought about doing that with VM aswell oimon
[13:37] <diplo> Intensity of mails has increased last few weeks
[13:37] <oimon> diplo: i spoke to them on the phone and they agreeed to stop spamming me...lasted 2 months
[13:37] <oimon> maybe it never stopped :-S
[13:37] <oimon> one of my pet hates
[13:37] <Myrtti> I don't really mind binary blobs if it makes things work
[13:38] <Myrtti> although, I've not had any problems or need of binary blobs with my Samsung MFP's
[13:40] <oimon> Myrtti: HP had a history of good opensource support. if their opensource support means using an opensource app to download a blob, its not good for my enterprise use since it increases the admin load
[13:40] <Myrtti> oimon: yup
[13:40] <popey> surely you can see where the blob went and deploy that?
[13:41] <Myrtti> but recently Samsung have made an effort of doing the reverse of that
[13:41] <Myrtti> I just plug my MFP in and it all works like in movies
[13:41] <Myrtti> or as we Finns say, the proverbian train toilet
[13:41] <Myrtti> proverbial
[13:42] <The_Fred> Hello
[13:43] <The_Fred> How do i share my internet connection (ppp) over wifi (wlan0) ?
[13:46] <MooDoo> The_Fred: what version you using?
[13:46] <The_Fred> 10.04lts
[13:49] <MooDoo> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Internet/ConnectionSharing
[13:49] <MooDoo> have you read that?
[13:49] <The_Fred> MooDoo, thankyou i'm reading that now
[13:50] <MooDoo> you're welcome
[14:05] <hoover> cheers all
[14:08] <oimon> running gnome-system-monitor gives the impression of high cpu usage, because running gnome-system-monitor uses a lot of CPU :-S fail
[14:09] <Azelphur> oimon old bug is old, have you updated since never? :P
[14:09] <oimon> Azelphur: on lucid
[14:09] <Azelphur> indeed
[14:10]  * oimon will soon need a ppa for every application
[14:10] <Azelphur> or you could just update ;)
[14:10] <oimon> dude, i haven't even rebooted for 50 days
[14:11] <davmor2> gord: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/844824 not good :(
[14:11] <oimon> i'll update to the next LTS
[14:12] <diplo> Azelphur: I still have it on 10.10
[14:13] <Azelphur> 10.10 is ancient too
[14:13] <diplo> not tried on this machine with natty
[14:13] <diplo> Cant run natty on my pc
[14:13] <diplo> So no choice
[14:13] <diplo> Spent 2-3 hours trying to get dual screens working and failed
[14:13] <oimon> diplo: even with gnome classic?
[14:14] <diplo> Yup, seems a GFX driver issue
[14:16] <gord> davmor2, do you want to add a proper stacktrace? :)
[14:18] <davmor2> gord: that's everything that apport threw at it honest gov'nor all automated I only added the 2 lines of text as to what I was doing when it died on me
[14:19] <gord> davmor2, might be fixed by tomorrow anyway, i changed that code
[14:22] <davmor2> gord: I'll keep an eye out on it, apparently the trace is correct on the bug mine got duped to
[14:33] <shauno> I give up. linkedin, meet procmail.  grrrr.
[14:47] <gord> would be neat if there was a terminal command to grep the previous output
[14:51] <jacobw> afternoon
[14:51] <MooDoo> hiy
[14:55] <davmor2> MooDoo: any news yet?
[14:56] <MooDoo> davmor2: i don't think anything will happen till monday....
[14:56] <czajkowski> MooDoo: :(
[14:56] <czajkowski> cant you go for long long walks
[14:56] <czajkowski> hot baths
[14:56] <czajkowski> hot currys
[14:57] <davmor2> MooDoo: Saturday you mean right?
[14:57] <MooDoo> czajkowski: doing all those now, just doesn'[t want to come out
[14:57] <MooDoo> davmor2: it's not wanting to come out, if nothing happens over the next four days it's coming out monday, don't want it this sat as it's jimmys birthday
[14:58] <czajkowski> would he not handle it ?
[14:58] <MooDoo> but thank you all for asking :D
[14:59] <davmor2> MooDoo: Think of the saving on party costs ;)
[14:59] <czajkowski> saves relations having to make 2 vists i a matter of days
[14:59] <czajkowski> coming to 2 birthdays in a matter of days
[15:00] <davmor2> MooDoo: you know it makes sense ;)
[15:00] <MooDoo> davmor2: it's not the same having a birthday on the same day, prefer them to have an individual one, although 18/21st in the same week will be fun :D
[15:01] <czajkowski> yeah
[15:01] <MooDoo> there you go lads, of to vegas with ya!
[15:02] <MooDoo> not that we know what we're having lol
[15:14] <Laney> is freenode broken?
[15:14] <MooDoo> it was earlier, and looking at the quits and joins, then yeah :)
[15:15] <Laney> aha, you can see this
[15:15] <MooDoo> wasn't christel upgrading stuff?
[15:15] <Laney> I just didn't see any messages for ages
[15:17] <christel> she was!
[15:17] <Laney> stupid web logs aren't updating fast enough so I don't know what got through
[15:17] <Laney> >:(
[15:17] <MooDoo> christel: knew it, IT WAS YOU point point point
[15:18] <MooDoo> :D
[15:18] <christel> hehe
[15:18] <Laney> why are ghosting & releasing two separate steps?
[15:20] <brobostigon> anyone use mustard. and twitter isnt picking up new tweets.?
[15:21] <MooDoo> only use mustard on sarnies
[15:23] <Laney> got mustard seeds in the cupboard
[15:23] <brobostigon> the android app, but anyways, ok.
[15:23] <MooDoo> brobostigon: sorry :) alas no i don't use it
[15:24] <brobostigon> MooDoo: yes, that was self evidant from your first statement, :)
[15:31] <bigcalm> I like how WordPress keeps telling me that Chromium is out of date. Don't blame me, oh mighty WP
[15:31] <oimon> bigcalm: is it wrong?
[15:31] <oimon> i get that too
[15:32] <oimon> i think it's a bit "keen"
[15:55] <diplo> Anyone know much about cups  here ?
[15:56] <oimon> specific to my organisation, but some transferable knowledge :)
[15:56] <diplo> I've never used it
[15:56] <diplo> /var/cups/spool should empty after a job completes ?
[15:58] <oimon> mine doesn't seem to diplo
[15:59] <diplo> cupsd is using 50-60% cpu, wondering whether the 500 jobs in q were the issue
[15:59] <diplo> don't seem to increrase in there either
[15:59] <diplo> 503 c* files
[16:00] <oimon> maxjobs 500 ?
[16:01] <diplo> I guess thats set in cupd.conf ?
[16:01] <diplo> nf
[16:01] <diplo> Yeah it's set to 500as default
[16:03] <oimon> although i had a user that had an incorrect cupsd.conf and when i replaced it with the original one, his 100% cpu problem went away
[16:15] <ikonia> popey: ping
[16:18] <popey> ikonia: pong
[16:18] <ikonia> popey: is your FB account ok ?
[16:18] <popey> dunno, wassup?
[16:19] <ikonia> past couple of weeks your account keeps posting that light sabre badminton game and telling me that you like it
[16:19] <ikonia> you the video with the guys playing badminton with lightsabers
[16:19] <ikonia> sorry "the"
[16:19] <popey> not me
[16:19] <popey> i have not seen that
[16:19] <ikonia> how odd, it's telling me you posted it and like it
[16:20] <ikonia> it's done it a few times over the last couple of weeks
[16:20] <popey> screenie?
[16:21] <ikonia> I've marked it as spam, I'm looking for "undo" now
[16:21] <ikonia> hang on
[16:23] <christel> ikonia <3
[16:23] <davmor2> ikonia: you sure it's popey I've not had it
[16:23] <ikonia> howdy
[16:23] <ikonia> not sure at all, but it's telling me popey is the guy who likes it
[16:23] <ikonia> let me just undo this
[16:25]  * popey goes to a party with jelly & ice cream
[16:25] <ikonia> that's the last post I saw from you properly, enjoy !
[16:26] <ikonia> I can't see how to undo it so I can show it
[16:28] <ikonia> http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=189577531087079
[16:28] <MartijnVdS> "Sharing heaven"
[16:28] <MartijnVdS> that can only be a spam application
[16:28] <ikonia> that is the video that keeps getting posted
[16:28] <MartijnVdS> remove that app from your allowed apps list then :)
[16:28] <ikonia> it's not in it, I keep getting it from popey
[16:34] <ali1234> stop using facebook
[16:35] <ali1234> also, where's my linux version of after effects so i can make videos like that?
[16:59] <The_Fred> hello!
[16:59] <The_Fred> I've a problem with my wifi can anyone help?
[16:59] <ali1234> i could sell you some CAT5
[17:00] <The_Fred> nice offer, but i've no ethenet cards
[17:01] <The_Fred> thing is, when i do iwconfig i can see details about the card, but not in wicd
[17:01] <The_Fred> all i want to do is creat an ad-hoc network
[17:08] <The_Fred> the wifi dongle is a RTL8187
[17:10] <jacobw> if you can see it in iwconfig the driver for the card is probably loaded ok
[17:10] <jacobw> have you tried using iwconfig to configure it?
[17:10] <jacobw> iwconfig wlan0 essid FOO enc BAR etc
[17:11] <The_Fred> jacobw, not yet, im read ubuntu forums to see if how to do it
[17:12] <jacobw> `man iwconfig` will be more helpful that the ubuntuforums
[17:14] <The_Fred> jacobw, thanks, looking now
[17:15] <jacobw> iwconfig wlan0 essid $ESSID mode ad-hoc ap  $MAC_ADDR key $WEP_KEY
[17:15] <jacobw> if your using WPA you'll have to use wpa_supplicant
[17:23] <The_Fred> ah! that could be the missing ingrediant : wpa_supplicant
[17:26] <The_Fred> i installed the wpa_supplicant gui, but ther eis no adapter to select!
[17:27] <jacobw> ok
[17:27] <The_Fred> on the current status tab is says: Could not get data from wpa_supplicant
[17:28] <The_Fred> gawd, there is a LOT of info to digest with man iwconfig....
[17:28] <tonytiger> Wow wpa_supplicant
[17:29] <tonytiger> I haven't needed that since... well, since I switched to Ubuntu
[17:29] <jacobw> for some reason he isn't using networkmanager
[17:29] <The_Fred> i did nt know if network manager was causing the problem, i think i'll remove wicd, and re-install the manager
[17:33] <jacobw> what happens when you try to connect with networkmanager?
[17:34] <The_Fred> just re-installing it now
[17:34] <The_Fred> i've removed wicd
[17:35] <The_Fred> but i'm not sure which network-manager packages to select in Synaptic
[17:37] <The_Fred> i guess i shoudl re-boot ...
[17:37] <jacobw> network-manager and network-manager-gnome
[17:38] <jacobw> there's no reason to reboot
[17:38] <The_Fred> ah, ok that was just in time :-)
[17:38] <jacobw> :)
[17:38] <The_Fred> so,, how do i get to the network manager, theres nowt in my panel
[17:40] <jacobw> press alt+f2, type `gksudo network-manager-gnome` and it should appear
[17:40] <The_Fred> looks like i need a driver the wifi device...
[17:40] <The_Fred> spot on!
[17:40] <The_Fred> :-)
[17:42] <The_Fred> that ran though, but i still dont see the manager icon... is that normal ?
[17:42] <jacobw> open a terminal and run `lsmod | grep rtl818`
[17:43] <The_Fred> rtl8187                50680  0
[17:43] <The_Fred> mac80211              205402  1 rtl8187
[17:43] <The_Fred> led_class               2864  1 rtl8187
[17:43] <The_Fred> cfg80211              126144  2 rtl8187,mac80211
[17:43] <The_Fred> eeprom_93cx6            1333  1 rtl8187
[17:44] <jacobw> ok, the driver is loaded.
[17:44] <The_Fred> cool, so now to try to set up the ad-hoc
[17:45] <jacobw> press alt+f2, type `nm-applet --sm-disable` and the icon should appear
[17:45] <jacobw> i was wrong before
[17:45] <The_Fred> thats ok :-)
[17:46] <The_Fred> its complaing about some .service files
[17:46] <The_Fred> but the applet is there
[17:47] <The_Fred> a click on the applet revals a message: network amaner is not running... is that started with sudo network-manager restart?
[17:47] <jacobw> is network-manager installed?
[17:47] <jacobw> you can check with `dpkg -l  | grep network-manager`
[17:48] <The_Fred> ii  network-manager                       0.8-0ubuntu3.2                                  network management framework daemon
[17:48] <The_Fred> ii  network-manager-gnome                 0.8-0ubuntu3                                    network management framework (GNOME frontend
[17:48] <The_Fred> ii  network-manager-openconnect           0.8-0ubuntu2                                    network management framework (Openconnect pl
[17:48] <The_Fred> ii  network-manager-openconnect-gnome     0.8-0ubuntu2                                    network management framework (Openconnect pl
[17:48] <The_Fred> ii  network-manager-pptp                  0.8-0ubuntu3                                    network management framework (PPTP plugin)
[17:48] <The_Fred> ii  network-manager-pptp-gnome            0.8-0ubuntu3                                    network management framework (PPTP plugin, G
[17:48] <jacobw> its installed
[17:50] <The_Fred> i cant it running tho...
[17:50] <The_Fred> i tried service network-manager start
[17:51] <jacobw> does the icon list any networks?
[17:51] <The_Fred> ah, got it , need to be sudo ......
[17:52] <The_Fred> no networks listed
[17:54] <jacobw> run `sudo /etc/init.d/network-manager start`
[17:55] <The_Fred> done :-)
[17:55] <kvarley> My CPU Clock Ratio is set to 22x but the CPU frequency is listed as 2.93 GHz, that's the stock speed. How do I increase the clock speed? Is that set with the QPI Clock Ratio?
[17:56] <The_Fred> but there's no 'create network' option when i right-click the applet...
[17:56] <jacobw> check whether the icon lists any networks again
[17:56] <The_Fred> no networks, but there is a message : device not managed
[17:57] <jacobw> check whether the interface is listen in connection information
[17:57] <The_Fred> is that iwconfig or iwconfig?
[17:57] <Azelphur> yay, todays addition to the "Azelphur broke it" list is... ext4 I think? http://pastebin.com/kmfVpaPx
[17:58] <The_Fred> iwconfig .... a clue i thingk : Power Management:off
[17:58] <jacobw> no, the problem is that the device managed by network manager
[17:59] <The_Fred> ah, ok
[18:04] <The_Fred> i've just checked my user account and i did/do have access to wireless.... just to make sure
[18:05] <jacobw> check if managed=false in /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf
[18:06] <The_Fred> hmmm, the file is blank!
[18:07] <jacobw> does it exist? `ls /etc/NetworkManager`
[18:08] <The_Fred> dispatcher.d  nm-system-settings.conf  system-connections  VPN
[18:08] <The_Fred> so no
[18:11] <jacobw> nm-system-settings.conf
[18:13] <The_Fred__> back
[18:15] <jacobw> you need to tell network-manager to manage the interface
[18:15] <jacobw> i can't remember how to do
[18:15] <The_Fred__> i've a new problem now...
[18:15] <The_Fred__> ** (nm-applet:2723): WARNING **: <WARN>  constructor(): Couldn't initialize the D-Bus manager.
[18:16] <jacobw> you should add nm-applet to your session
[18:16] <The_Fred__> how do i do that?
[18:16] <jacobw> are you using unity?
[18:16] <The_Fred__> imno sure, im on 10.04lts
[18:17] <jacobw> open system > preferences > session
[18:18] <jacobw> sorry, startup applications
[18:19] <jacobw> see if network manager is listen
[18:19] <jacobw> *listed
[18:19] <jacobw> :(
[18:20] <jacobw> i am watching the big bang theory
[18:20] <tonytiger> I seems such an old fashioned thing to have to do, rip out system packages to get something working
[18:21] <tonytiger> Maybe I've just been lucky but I've not had to fiddle with any hardware in a few years on Ubuntu to get it working
[18:21] <jacobw> yes, it seems that network-manager didn't work so he removed it
[18:22] <tonytiger> when it was really a driver issue?
[18:22] <jacobw> i don't its a driver issue
[18:23] <The_Fred> sorry
[18:23] <The_Fred> back
[18:23] <The_Fred> yes network manager is listed and ticked
[18:23] <jacobw> good, it'll start when you log in.
[18:24] <The_Fred> but i just saw: Wicd Network Manager Tray is also listed and ticked
[18:24] <Girly-Girl> hi
[18:24] <The_Fred> which is odd because i removed wicd
[18:26] <The_Fred> i'm not sure whats going on now - i cant type in firefox... aaaarrrgg
[18:26] <jacobw> remove the wicd entry
[18:27] <The_Fred> yup - removed it
[18:27] <jacobw> paste the contents of nm-system-settings.conf to
[18:27] <jacobw> !pastebin
[18:28] <jacobw> http://pastebin.com/
[18:30] <The_Fred> is that the same  directory as /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf ?
[18:30] <jacobw> sorry, yes.
[18:30] <The_Fred> cool, ok
[18:32] <The_Fred> http://pastebin.com/0BcBuJu3
[18:32] <jacobw> good
[18:35] <jacobw> trying changing managed=false to managed=true and running `sudo /etc/init.d/network-manager restart`
[18:38] <The_Fred> ok, there wifi network thingy is swirling around
[18:38] <The_Fred> and i can now see networks listed
[18:38] <The_Fred> thank you for your help jacobw , im nearly done i think
[18:39] <The_Fred> just to get this ad-hoc network set up and i can leave you in peace
[18:42] <jacobw> is nm-applet listing wireless networks now?
[18:43] <The_Fred> yes :-)
[18:49] <jacobw> )
[18:49] <The_Fred> i'm working through this: http://www.ubuntugeek.com/creating-an-adhoc-host-with-ubuntu.html
[18:50] <The_Fred> but the icon keeps spinning where i get to the part of 'connect to hidden wireless netwr'
[18:50] <jacobw> are you creating or connecting to an ad-hoc network?
[18:50] <The_Fred> trying to create
[18:52] <The_Fred> i cant complete the last step
[18:53] <jacobw> the windows xp step?
[18:54] <The_Fred> no, the point where a connection is made to the hidden adhoc network
[18:55] <The_Fred> it wont connect to itself
[18:56] <jacobw> ok, run `iwconfig` and see if the card is in ad-hoc mode
[18:57] <jacobw> are you trying to share a wired connection?
[18:58] <The_Fred> i cant see any hint of it being in adhoc mode
[18:58] <jacobw> if so, set the network-manager mode to shared instead of ad-hoc
[18:58] <The_Fred> yes, i need to share my teatherd mobil (usb) over wifi
[18:59] <The_Fred> the mobile is on via wvdial and has a ppp connection
[19:00] <The_Fred> ok, in network connections i can see no option for shared, how do i set it via terminal?
[19:02] <jacobw> sorry, ipv4 settings method shared to other computers
[19:02] <The_Fred> ah ok , yes
[19:02] <The_Fred> its icon is swirling around again
[19:03] <The_Fred> i think i know why
[19:03] <The_Fred> on the man page it says    iwconfig eth0 mode Ad-Hoc
[19:03] <The_Fred> but when i enter that in terminal it complains
[19:03] <The_Fred>  SET failed on device wlan0 ; Operation not permitted.
[19:04] <The_Fred> when i try it with sudo i get  SET failed on device wlan0 ; Operation not supported
[19:08] <The_Fred> im wondering if this a 10.04 problem, because when i used the dongle on my 10.10 laptop it connected to my mates network no problem
[19:11] <The_Fred> bah!
[19:11] <The_Fred> found it
[19:11] <The_Fred> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/97322/comments/25
[19:13] <The_Fred> guess i'll see how to implement the patch then...
[19:13] <kvarley> How can I monitor temperatures in Ubuntu? I would like something similar to SpeenFan
[19:16] <The_Fred> kvarley, look for the sensors program in ubuntu software center
[19:16] <kvarley> The_Fred: Ok, which is your preferred one?
[19:17] <The_Fred> i dont bother with any, my oc is very old and has no sensors
[19:17] <The_Fred> *pc
[19:17] <The_Fred> (circa 1996)
[19:18] <kvarley> The_Fred: I have got lm-sensors, however I am having trouble with the detection. I have seen a guide that says I should modprobe?
[19:19] <The_Fred> yea, soory i'm in th emiddle of something and about to shutdown, have a google search about it, but have your motherboard details for hand because each motherboard has different sensors (if any)...
[19:19] <kvarley> The_Fred: Ok, thanks
[19:30] <j0nr> hi folks
[19:31] <j0nr> Am really confused. I am on one computer inside my lan. There is one other computer in my lan running ubuntu server edition on a certain ip address. when I ssh that ip, it connects me to my external VPS!! eh?!
[19:31] <j0nr> internally 192.168.0.2 is the server... when I ssh 192.168.0.2 I get prompted for my VPS which is external and completely unrelated... how can this be?
[19:33] <kvarley> Anybody here know php?
[19:33] <marxjohnson> yep
[19:34] <kvarley> marxjohnson: Can you spot why my backup script doesn't work? http://codepad.org/zKf2cuJn
[19:34] <marxjohnson> when you say "doesn't work", what happens/doesn't happen?
[19:35] <kvarley> marxjohnson: It stops half way through
[19:35] <marxjohnson> halfway through the php script or halfway through the tar command?
[19:36] <kvarley> halfway through the tar
[19:36] <kvarley> on the server anyway
[19:36] <kvarley> locally on my lamp server it won't generate a tar
[19:36] <marxjohnson> are you just calling the script it from the shell?
[19:37] <marxjohnson> s/it//
[19:37] <kvarley> marxjohnson: It's running on cloud hosting. I upload the php file via ftp, then I go to the php file in my browser which starts the script.
[19:38] <kvarley> marxjohnson: I want it to generate a tar of certain folders with a filename of the current time and date from strftime, am I doing the concatenation right?
[19:38] <marxjohnson> you don't need the dots in the strftime argument unless you want them in the filename
[19:39] <kvarley> marxjohnson: I do want those in the filename =)
[19:39] <marxjohnson> ok cool
[19:39] <marxjohnson> then yeah the concatenation's ok
[19:39] <marxjohnson> other things to check:
[19:40] <kvarley> marxjohnson: Other things to check?
[19:40] <marxjohnson> 1) Tar is installed on your server 2) The user that the webserver runs has access to run tar 3) the user can write to the directory where you're trying to create the archive
[19:41] <kvarley> marxjohnson: Ok, I have had the script working before I put the time and date in the filename is all. So maybe it doesn't have strftime?
[19:41] <marxjohnson> try just echoing $backupcommand rather than passing it to system
[19:41] <marxjohnson> see what you get
[19:42] <kvarley> marxjohnson: Ok, thank you, I'll do that now
[19:43] <kvarley> marxjohnson: yes it works, however it stops after the first folder name
[19:44] <kvarley> marxjohnson: I specify after the tar.bz2 for it to do "plugins/ templates/" and it doesn't do templates
[19:45] <marxjohnson> do you have shell access to the server?
[19:46] <kvarley> marxjohnson: It's on rackspace. No but it supports tar and untar
[19:47] <marxjohnson> hmm I can't see anything wrong, seems to be a problem with the tar command rather than the PHP
[19:47] <kvarley> marxjohnson: Ok, that's what I thought too, thanks for the confirmation =)
[19:47] <marxjohnson> you could try seeing what system() returns
[19:48] <marxjohnson> might be giving you an error
[19:48] <kvarley> marxjohnson: How can I see that?
[19:48] <marxjohnson> echo system($backupcommand);
[19:49] <marxjohnson> might get more output using exec() instead of system()
[19:49] <kvarley> marxjohnson: So the command will still run but it will tell me what goes wrong?
[19:49] <marxjohnson> yeah
[19:50] <kvarley> marxjohnson: Doing echo exec gives me one file output, that file is the last file it does in the plugins folder, maybe it's that one file which is a problem?
[19:53] <marxjohnson> ah sorry, shell_exec()
[19:54] <marxjohnson> shoulg give you the full output
[19:54] <marxjohnson> exec only gives the last line
[19:55] <kvarley> marxjohnson: It just stops again at the end of the last folder
[19:55] <marxjohnson> no error messages?
[19:57] <kvarley> marxjohnson: No but it works if I remove the strftime thing
[19:57] <marxjohnson> strange
[19:57] <kvarley> Indeed
[19:57] <marxjohnson> exit
[19:57] <marxjohnson> oops
[19:57] <marxjohnson> haha
[19:57] <kvarley> marxjohnson: Is there a way to run a system command and wait for it to finish then rename the tar ?
[19:57] <marxjohnson> yep
[19:58] <marxjohnson> http://www.php.net/manual/en/function.rename.php
[19:58] <kvarley> thanks
[20:01] <kvarley> marxjohnson: How do I wait for the system command to finish?
[20:01] <marxjohnson> the next line won't run until it does
[20:02] <kvarley> marxjohnson: hmm
[20:02] <marxjohnson> shouldn't do anyway
[20:02] <kvarley> marxjohnson: So the tar script I thought was working actually isn't, it just gets further
[20:02] <kvarley> marxjohnson: Well thanks for all the help, I shall have to investigate tar on the cloud and check it actually works before blaming php xD
[20:03] <marxjohnson> alright no worries
[20:03] <kvarley> =)
[20:08] <kvarley> It's command line issues
[20:08] <kvarley> The command doesn't even work on my systsem
[20:08] <kvarley> It does the first folder and then stops
[20:12] <MonsterKiller> is the command "runlevel" meant to return the current runlevel?
[20:13] <daubers> MonsterKiller: read "man runlevel" that'll tell you
[20:14] <MonsterKiller> because runlevel return "unknown" and the system isnt starting anything when it boots
[20:15] <MonsterKiller> from ps -aux i get: init, vzctl:ttyp0, -bash and ps -aux
[20:29] <zleap> hi
[20:39] <tonytiger> hi zleap
[20:39] <zleap> hi
[20:39] <zleap> sorry was playing with google earth
[20:39] <tonytiger> MonsterKiller: I think runlevel doesn't really apply for systems using "startup"
[20:39] <zleap> i think i need more fonts installed or something
[20:39] <MonsterKiller> im not using startup
[20:40] <MonsterKiller> well, i dont think so
[20:40] <tonytiger> MonsterKiller: what release of Ubuntu are you on?
[20:40] <MonsterKiller> but re-installed the OS now xD so its working
[20:40] <MonsterKiller> 10.04
[20:40] <MonsterKiller> runlevel works now i did a re-install
[20:41] <MonsterKiller> the only thing i can think that did it was when i changed the autostart option for webmin using webmin
[20:41] <MonsterKiller> thats the only thing i changed really
[20:41] <tonytiger> Hmm, I meant "upstart" not "startup"
[20:45] <Azelphur> Anyone know a good place to get a huge desk for my quad monitor setup? :p
[20:46] <Azelphur> My current desk is a bit on the small side and getting old, want something new that's nice and sturdy
[20:46] <zleap> not sure
[20:46] <zleap> i use 2 filing cabinates and a piece of kjitchen work top works very well
[20:46] <zleap> kitchen
[20:46] <Azelphur> hehe
[20:47] <Azelphur> (By getting old, I mean it's older than I am)
[20:47] <zleap> oh
[20:47] <zleap> how old are u then
[20:47] <Azelphur> 21
[20:47] <zleap> ah
[20:47] <zleap> the depth of kitchen work top seems pretty good  too
[20:48] <Azelphur> yea, my desk is deeper than that I think
[20:48] <Azelphur> my current one
[20:48] <zleap> ah
[20:48] <zleap> i guess it depends on how much space you have / need
[20:50] <Azelphur> have lots, need lots more :P
[20:53] <zleap> ah
[20:53] <zleap> not really sure, how many monitors u got
[20:53] <zleap> ah 4
[20:53] <zleap> so you need em all from 1 pc
[20:56] <zleap> the super- tab combo is cool for task switching
[21:06] <MonsterKiller> okay so, after installing 146 updates on the vps i get the problem where the runlevel stuff breaks. nothing runs on startup and runlevel returns unknown
[21:07] <MonsterKiller> so one of the updates breaks it
[21:08] <MonsterKiller> anyone know what could cause that to happen and if there is a way to fix it without re-installing everything?
[21:24] <Monotoko> MonsterKiller, have you tried to boot into recovery mode?
[21:25] <MonsterKiller> can you even do that on a vps?
[21:26] <MonsterKiller> is there a certain file that sorts/determins the runlevel to use on boot? maybe that gets corrupt by an update
[21:28] <Monotoko> I don't even think Ubuntu uses runlevels anymore...you can do it with a VPS that runs in XEN, which provider are you with?
[21:28] <MonsterKiller> er
[21:28] <MonsterKiller> scopehosts.com
[21:29] <MonsterKiller> OpenVZ
[21:30] <MonsterKiller> its 10.04.1
[21:30] <MonsterKiller> ubuntu version
[21:30] <Monotoko> I haven't ever used OpenVZ...but it should allow you to do it
[21:30] <Monotoko> and it hasn't used runlevels since 8.04 I don't think
[21:31] <MonsterKiller> well, whatever is doing it, its got to be one of the updates because it works fine before i install them
[21:32] <Monotoko> as I say...you need to get into the recovery console to work it out...
[21:32] <Monotoko> I wouldn't go near that company with a 6ft pole myself
[21:32] <Monotoko> after dealing with indian VPS companies a few years back
[21:32] <MonsterKiller> lol, im just doing this for someone
[21:52] <simonhasit> how do I stop joining this channel?
[21:52] <simonhasit> a 1st and last question..
[21:53] <popey> simonhasit: probably an option in your irc client
[21:53] <simonhasit> ypu
[21:54] <simonhasit> you would think
[21:54] <MonsterKiller> look at your auto-join list?
[21:56] <simonhasit> i'll do that
[21:56] <simonhasit> thanks
[21:56] <AlanBell> simonhasit: are you using xchat?
[21:57] <simonhasit> Yes I am
[21:57] <AlanBell> in the server definition I think it will be trying to join #ubuntu-GB
[21:57] <AlanBell> for the "Ubuntu" server
[21:58] <simonhasit> so what do i need to do?
[21:58] <AlanBell> edit-preferences, networks, Ubuntu Server, edit, user and channels tab
[22:00] <simonhasit> I'm seeing an autojoin this channel option.. dude you rock :) lol.. i'm out of here
[22:01] <bigcalm> Nice to have you with us for a time
[22:01] <simonhasit> you guys suck! ;)
[22:01] <MonsterKiller> D;
[22:01]  * MonsterKiller sucks pen
[22:01] <MonsterKiller> indeed we do
[22:01] <MonsterKiller> :p
[22:02] <simonhasit> not
[22:02] <simonhasit> now  dont want to close my window incase I miss something
[22:02] <AlanBell> http://ubuntu-uk.org/happy-hour/ where should the next happy hour be I wonder
[22:03] <popey> \o/ Prince of Wales!
[22:03] <AlanBell> done :)
[22:04] <simonhasit> the prince of wales is up in here!
[22:04] <AlanBell> 20th October?
[22:05] <MonsterKiller> lol happy hour
[22:05] <simonhasit> it's september 9th
[22:05] <MonsterKiller> not for another hour
[22:05] <MonsterKiller> :p
[22:06] <simonhasit> i won't tell you what happens then.
[22:07] <popey> AlanBell: good for me
[22:07] <popey> week after release
[22:07] <AlanBell> might even have CDs
[22:08] <christel> \o/
[22:09] <christel> i shall come join you
[22:10] <simonhasit> did we all die?
[22:11] <simonhasit> I'm gonna watch Joey and Melissa .. I guess its the same thing
[22:11] <simonhasit> sabrina!? :) all I'm gonna say!
[22:12] <simonhasit> Fallen so far
[22:12] <popey> AlanBell: nice spot of html there
[22:26] <AlanBell> fixed
[22:26] <AlanBell> http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-uk/1277/detail/
[22:30] <ali1234> random people adding me on google+ why?
[22:33] <hamitron> love you ;)
[22:33] <hamitron> "I got more friends than you"
[22:33] <hamitron> :/
[22:39] <Guest87485> ali1234, my guys, google told them to add you, the whole suggestion thing, least thats the only sense i can make of it
[22:39] <Guest87485> oh i'm a guest
[22:39] <Guest87485> yay me
[22:40] <ali1234> your guys?
[22:40] <ali1234> your guys are following me?
[22:40] <gord> my guess
[22:40] <ali1234> i'm sorry i was so harsh on unity
[22:45] <ali1234> i find it a bit worrying that people look at the list of suggestions and think "well, i've no idea who that person is, but google says i should add them, so i better add them"
[23:31] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jono Bacon] Ubuntu Developer Survey Report and Next Steps - http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/09/08/ubuntu-developer-survey-report-and-next-steps/
[23:34] <Azelphur> What would be a good proxy/encryption/tunneling type thing to set up on my server? The use case is bypassing throttling/QoS done by ISPs for games
[23:35] <Azelphur> It would need to be publicly acccessable
[23:53] <ali1234> page 18 on that report is amusing ^
[23:54] <ali1234> 25/30 ubuntu developers do not use the forums
[23:54] <ali1234> can't say i find this shocking
[23:55] <ali1234> wait hang on, these charts don't add up
[23:56] <ali1234> 25/35?
[23:56] <ali1234> gah
[23:56] <ali1234> maybe it is meant to be 25%
[23:57] <hamitron> I'm not a dev, but I know I am bad at checking forums
[23:57] <hamitron> ;)
[23:57] <hamitron> IRC is more my style
[23:58] <hamitron> different people like different methods
[23:59] <nucc1> is there an off-topic version of this channel?