[00:01] <brousch1> 10" is a little too big for me though
[00:02] <brousch1> can't quite reach the middle letters on keyboard when held vertically
[00:04] <jrwren> for the osd key?
[00:04] <brousch1> right
[00:04] <brousch1> yeah, i mean a 10" tablet
[11:27] <Wolfger> party morning
[11:30] <rick_h_> morning party
[11:41] <Wolfger> So when do I make my first commit to github? I'm thinking... never. I don't want anybody to see how bad my code sucks. :-)
[11:43] <brousch> Wolfger: don't worry, no one will see it
[11:43] <brousch> damnit. i just discovered my shirt has a big grease stain on it
[11:43] <Wolfger> yeah, that's my second thought
[11:43] <Wolfger> nobody cares enough to look at my code :-)
[11:46] <rick_h_> Wolfger: just go look around code first
[11:46] <rick_h_> then you'll feel better
[11:47] <Wolfger> heh
[12:14] <snap-l> Gid moaning
[12:15] <snap-l> Wolfger: If you wait until your code is perfect, you'll never commit code
[12:15] <snap-l> This is a fact
[12:20] <rick_h_> snap-l: http://search.cpan.org/~fxn/Acme-Pythonic/lib/Acme/Pythonic.pm
[12:20] <brousch> yeah. it's much better to release ugly code and then rick_h_ will fix it for you
[12:20] <rick_h_> hah, I've got some ugly code up there
[12:20] <rick_h_> I noticed I still had sendoff up there with packages on pypi
[12:20] <rick_h_> had to pull those down
[12:20] <rick_h_> though honestly I should ressurect that project
[12:20] <snap-l> rick_h_: Wow, that's... wow.
[12:20] <rick_h_> the way I ship files off to work stuff, pastebin, the s3 buckets on amazon
[12:21] <rick_h_> snap-l: yea, let's just say I didn't go starting any code reviews on there
[12:21] <snap-l> I think Perl needs those braces, but it's interesting that it's flexible enough to handle it without
[12:22] <rick_h_> oh, yea the perl thing is funny
[12:22] <rick_h_> "I want to do perl...but like python...but I don't want to use python"
[12:22] <snap-l> Get the worst of both worlds. :)
[12:27] <Wolfger> Huh.
[12:28] <Wolfger> I can't imagine *wanting* Python whitespace conventions in Perl :-p
[12:43] <Wolfger> LOL@xkcd
[12:59] <rick_h_> Blazeix: http://backbonetutorials.com is pretty cool
[13:19] <rick_h_> !@#$*$#@Y* NUKE NC!
[13:20] <snap-l> not yet
[13:20] <brousch> all of it?
[13:20] <Wolfger> I am so glad rick_h_ doesn't have access to the big red button
[13:20] <rick_h_> yes, leave nothing behind!
[13:20] <rick_h_> new open beachfront property coming just as soon as the rads go down a few
[13:20] <rick_h_> "Rick, can we have a chat about how setup.py works?"
[13:21] <rick_h_> sure...30min later..."Oh, I completely missed that giant error message so I didn't understand how things work"
[13:21] <rick_h_> READ THE TEXT THE APP SPITS OUT kthx
[13:21] <rick_h_> The next person that says "it outputs lots of stuff..." without saying wtf "Lots of stuff is" I'm going to shoot
[13:22] <snap-l> rick_h_: http://www.archive.org/details/Operatio1955
[13:22] <Wolfger> but... isn't it your job to do their thinking for them?
[13:22] <Wolfger> XD
[13:23] <rick_h_> well he gets an in freaking argument with me that "that's not what the tool is doing on my end...it's not doing that at all"
[13:24] <rick_h_> BECAUSE IT WAS ERRORING!
[13:24] <brousch> so he was right!
[13:24] <rick_h_> oh @#$#@%
[13:24] <rick_h_> but he doesn't say "hey, this is funny"
[13:25] <rick_h_> he says "Hey Rick, can you take some time to explain to me how this whole process works from top to bottom..and only after you spend all that time will I tell you the real issue is that the script your wrote for me don't work"
[13:25] <rick_h_> "and that only fails because I did stupid stuff I'm not supposed to do"
[13:26] <snap-l> And while you're at it, sudo make me a sandwich
[13:41] <Wolfger> lol
[13:56] <snap-l> I'm going to scream.
[13:57] <_stink_> uh oh
[13:57] <snap-l> Just got a note from someone about what the savings would be if our customer took over the forum support that I do
[13:57] <snap-l> Well, the savings would be my salary, and any overhead associated with it
[13:58] <_stink_> what will they pay the inanimate object that will do the job instead?
[13:58] <snap-l> I swear, that's the most tone-deaf question someone can ask
[13:59] <rick_h_> damn, that's kind of for your boss...now you
[14:00] <snap-l> I'm pretty much my boss
[14:00] <rick_h_> and hey, while you're at it, could you head over to ATT and train the guy taking your place?
[14:00] <rick_h_> send him your scripts/test tools/etc
[14:00] <snap-l> My original boss moved on.
[14:00] <snap-l> Oh, gladly.
[14:00] <rick_h_> I thought you had the new chick lady
[14:00] <snap-l> I'll send them whatever they want
[14:00] <snap-l> (original boss)
[14:01] <snap-l> New boss is more worried about positioning herself.
[14:06] <snap-l> Gah, now they're asking me what I've been working on
[14:07] <snap-l> Jesus, this is brilliant
[14:09] <brousch> "I've been working on my resume because it's obvious you asshats are going to screw me!"
[14:09] <snap-l> truth
[14:10] <snap-l> Well, now it's come under question because of contract renewal. Customer thinks they can save money by doing it in house
[14:10] <snap-l> which they can, because they've pretty much killed any momentum for it by allowing marketing to sit on it
[14:11] <snap-l> Apparently developers don't flock to web APIs like crackwhores looking for a fix.
[14:11] <snap-l> Who knew?
[14:12] <snap-l> especially when they're mobile developers that can get the same, if not better results by using the tricks they honed for the past 10+ years.
[14:22] <gamerchick02> Sorry i missed the meeting yesterday.
[14:26] <snap-l> np
[14:31] <gamerchick02> i completely forgot about it and went to the farmer's market.
[14:33] <rick_h_> farmer's market ftw
[14:33] <gamerchick02> it was good
[14:33] <gamerchick02> we got some sweet corn and cinnamon rolls.
[14:33] <gamerchick02> there's a bakery that has a table.
[14:38] <rick_h_> Blazeix: ping
[14:46] <Blazeix> rick_h_: yeh
[14:46] <Blazeix> er, hey, I'm dyslexic, apparently
[14:46] <rick_h_> hey, backbone.js question for you
[14:47] <rick_h_> trying to figure out how to add a tr to a table, but then reference it
[14:47] <rick_h_> messing with the view this.el
[14:47] <rick_h_> so trying to work out, if this.el = 'tr'
[14:47] <rick_h_> does it create a new tr then?
[14:48] <Blazeix> yes, I believe it does, so you could just append your cell elements to 'el'
[14:48] <rick_h_> ok, trying that atm, figuring out what to put intot he jquery template
[14:48] <rick_h_> what the el should be
[14:48] <rick_h_> and how to reference it after for events
[14:48] <rick_h_> and getting mixed up
[14:49] <Blazeix> so you'd give it a tagName and className
[14:49] <Blazeix> and then it constructs it, and puts a reference in 'el'
[14:50] <Blazeix> then if you want to listen to events, you'd scope it by class
[14:50] <rick_h_> ah ok.
[14:50] <rick_h_> hmmm, so since the classname is based off the model, wonder how the order is working here
[14:51] <Blazeix> you're doing a view per row, right? or is it a view for the entire table?
[14:51] <rick_h_> http://paste.mitechie.com/show/403/
[14:51] <rick_h_> view per row
[14:51] <rick_h_> that's the old template where the tr got a class based on the model record
[14:52] <rick_h_> but that doens't then have el set to anything decent
[14:55] <rick_h_> yea, can't use the model to define the className
[14:55] <rick_h_> so if I leave that out, each row replaces the one before it
[14:55] <rick_h_> and I end up with the last row as the only row to the table
[14:55] <rick_h_> ah, can pass the className directory to the view constructor
[14:56] <Blazeix> so the first thing I'd try is removing the 'el' property, and replacing it with 'tagName':tr
[14:56] <Blazeix> then removing the 'tr' from your template
[14:56] <Blazeix> this.el then _should_ be the generated 'tr', which you can then set the class name from.
[14:56] <rick_h_> there we go
[14:57] <rick_h_> moved the model from the initialized, passed a {model:t , className:t.name}
[14:57] <rick_h_> and then set the tagname like you said
[14:58] <rick_h_> awesome, and events working
[14:58] <Blazeix> ah, nice, from the parent view?
[14:58] <rick_h_> yea, just using events()
[14:59] <rick_h_> redoing my thing at work in backbone, porting the hand done events/models/etc into backbone
[14:59] <rick_h_> and mapping is taking a few
[14:59] <rick_h_> but starting to come together
[14:59] <Blazeix> awesome
[15:00] <rick_h_> yea, thanks for the help
[15:00] <rick_h_> the arrays of tutorials all do things slightly diff
[15:02] <Blazeix> yeah, i've been hanging out in #documentcloud, and the answer to "am I doing this right?" is always "does it work? then yes."
[15:03] <rick_h_> and hah
[15:03] <rick_h_> oops, hah
[15:07] <rick_h_> remembering to do .get() is killing me lol
[15:41] <gamerchick02> ugh. why do contract houses INSIST on "meeting" the candidate onsite before an interview?
[15:41] <gamerchick02> now I have to get up EVEN EARLIER and be down to Chrysler at effing 9:30 instead of 10.
[15:42] <gamerchick02> i didn't realize i needed to be baby-sat.
[15:46] <rick_h_> it's for your protection
[15:46] <rick_h_> :)
[15:46] <rick_h_> can't have you making side deals and getting around things
[15:46] <Blazeix> it's actually a ruse so they can see what car you drive. That's Important.
[15:47] <snap-l> Blazeix: Yeah, they want to make sure you're not currently driving a Chrysler vehicle.
[15:47] <snap-l> so they can try to make a sale
[15:47] <Blazeix> haha
[15:47] <snap-l> I have never seen a larger parking lot of Hondas and Toyotas in Michigan than when I worked for Chrysler
[15:48] <snap-l> few of the offshore developers bought Chrysler cars because they didn't want to take the hit selling it when they went back
[15:48] <snap-l> gamerchick02: Also, they want to make sure you don't clash with the decor.
[15:49] <gamerchick02> so i should dress in all grey with a grey hat then?
[15:49] <gamerchick02> because Chrysler is grey on the inside, unless they've changed since the last time i interviewed there
[15:50] <snap-l> gamerchick02: Nah, just dress in kid pictures and dead plants, and you should be fine
[15:50] <gamerchick02> oooh. good point.
[15:50] <gamerchick02> but i have no kids.
[15:50] <gamerchick02> and our plants are all living.
[15:50] <Blazeix> istockphoto
[15:50] <gamerchick02> good point.
[15:50] <gamerchick02> i drive a Mazda. i'd never get anything made by chrysler.
[15:51] <gamerchick02> and yes, mazda = ford, i'm aware. >_<
[15:51] <snap-l> was
[15:51] <snap-l> I think they got sold off again
[15:51] <snap-l> At least Land Rover and Jaguar did
[15:51] <gamerchick02> no, the ford fusion is a mazda6 and the ford focus is a 3i.
[15:51] <gamerchick02> land rover was a pos anyway.
[15:54] <Wolfger> Chrysler isn't gray on the inside, but your soul will be...
[15:56] <snap-l> Well, it's that multicultural gray / mauve
[15:57] <snap-l> Ok, I'm having way too much fun rolling this Zocchihedron around my desk
[15:57] <snap-l> picked one up in OH for $.25 at a resale shop
[15:58] <Wolfger> Zocchihedron?
[15:58] <snap-l> d100
[15:58] <Wolfger> huh
[15:59] <Wolfger> I would have expected it to be a centihedron or some such
[15:59] <snap-l> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zocchihedron
[16:00] <snap-l> It's named for Lou Zocchi from Game Science (makers of fine dice)
[16:00] <snap-l> I also got some round D6 dice
[16:01] <gamerchick02> Wolfger, i worked for delphi. can't get much greyer.
[16:01] <gamerchick02> also, i'll be a CONTRACT. which gets about as much respect as a high school kid sweeping the shop floor.
[16:01] <snap-l> gamerchick02: Depends on the department
[16:02] <snap-l> also, keep your badge in your wallet, and nobody knows the difference.
[16:02] <gamerchick02> yeah, but in general, contracts are shit on the ground.
[16:02] <snap-l> I felt like a real employee, save for "All Employee Meetings"
[16:02] <Wolfger> gamerchick02: I am a contract at Chrysler these past 10 years. I know.
[16:02] <snap-l> Only if you let it
[16:02] <snap-l> You're still a human being
[16:02] <gamerchick02> i don't really want to work there. i'd rather work for Piolax
[16:02] <snap-l> http://ubuntuone.com/22ecut5wZy5w1L1PtQjMzc <- Round D6
[16:02] <gamerchick02> no call back yet, but there was a holiday recently.
[16:03] <gamerchick02> i hope to hear more by tomorrow or something.
[16:03] <Wolfger> snap-l: I've seen those before. Nifty toy, but I wouldn't want to roll them with any frequency.
[16:04] <snap-l> This one stops pretty well
[16:04] <Wolfger> same with the zocchihedron, for that matter
[16:04] <gamerchick02> i'd love to be able to tell this contract place where to shove their low paying job with no benefits.
[16:04] <snap-l> It's like rolling a golfball with shot to help make it stop
[16:04] <Wolfger> gamerchick02: they can shove it right up your bank account because you're desperate? :-D
[16:04] <gamerchick02> ;) probalby
[16:05] <Wolfger> so what/where are you applying?
[16:05] <gamerchick02> it's through RGBSI. product engineer job, essentially what i did at delphi but different parts, etc
[16:06] <Wolfger> Well, good luck. I'm surprised they're contracting that position
[16:06] <snap-l> Wolfger: I'm not.
[16:06] <gamerchick02> at this point, i don't give a shit what department i'm in. they're "starting" negotiations at $25/hr, but i'm sure they'll just bump me down to $18/hr because i'm female.
[16:06] <snap-l> They'd contract out their entire staff if they could.
[16:06] <gamerchick02> no shit, sherlock.
[16:06] <Wolfger> snap-l: point
[16:07] <Wolfger> but the engineering jobs I thought were all unionized
[16:07] <snap-l> gamerchick02: Nah, They'll start you at $25, then take 3 years to give you a raise. ;)
[16:07] <snap-l> Wolfger: Pfft
[16:07] <snap-l> Unions are toothless nowadays
[16:07] <gamerchick02> dude, i've never made more than $15/hr. i'll gladly take $25/hr
[16:07] <Wolfger> gamerchick02: If you get a raise in 3 years, you've been fast-tracked
[16:07] <gamerchick02> as long as i don't have to carry insurance, i'll be a happy little drone
[16:07] <snap-l> Oh, sorry, right
[16:08] <snap-l> They'll give you a pay-cut in 3 years.
[16:08] <snap-l> for the good of the company.
[16:08] <Wolfger> I had my 10-year anni on June 1, and they are just now discussing my second raise.
[16:09] <gamerchick02> holy shit. but then again, you're male, so you will get paid more. (sorry, i'm grumpy. i didn't sleep well last night and i get a call today about having to be baby-sat at my interview... just puts me off on the wrong everything.)
[16:09] <Wolfger> ...
[16:09] <snap-l> gamerchick02: You have to meet your new boss at some point
[16:09] <snap-l> And contracting houses are like dating services
[16:10] <gamerchick02> oh fuck me with a knife. i hate dating.
[16:10] <snap-l> "Matchmaker Matchmaker, make me a match
[16:10] <snap-l> find me a find
[16:10] <Wolfger> snap-l: s/dating services/pimps/
[16:10] <gamerchick02> hence, why i'm single.
[16:10] <snap-l> catch me a catch
[16:10] <gamerchick02> YES PIMPS
[16:10] <snap-l> Matchmaker matchmaker make me a match
[16:10] <gamerchick02> my mom gets mad when i refer to them as pimps and me as a prostitute.
[16:10] <Wolfger> heh
[16:10] <snap-l> gamerchick02: That's essentially what it is
[16:11] <gamerchick02> "you're better than that"
[16:11] <gamerchick02> actually, no, i'm not.
[16:11] <snap-l> Just tell her you're meeting your "John"
[16:11] <snap-l> That'll put her right off
[16:11] <gamerchick02> i know, snap-l.
[16:11] <gamerchick02> it's not that much different, except i don't get paid as much. *ZING*
[16:12] <gamerchick02> i'm horrible.
[16:12] <gamerchick02> sorry.
[16:12] <snap-l> Well, and you get fucked every day as a contractor.
[16:13] <gamerchick02> Wolfger, my comment related to you getting paid more... sorry, didn't mean to make you mad.
[16:13] <snap-l> but at least you get insurance for VD
[16:13] <snap-l> so it evens out
[16:13] <gamerchick02> "UGH, GIVE IT TO ME HARDER, UUUUUH"
[16:13]  * gamerchick02 is HORRIBLE
[16:13] <gamerchick02> i use condoms.
[16:13] <gamerchick02> hah!
[16:14] <gamerchick02> seriously, i'd rather be single at this point in my life... no guy to have to pick up after.
[16:14] <gamerchick02> but a job, i'd like that.
[16:15] <gamerchick02> i just hate that it's like dating. it's disgusting.
[16:15] <snap-l> It's business.
[16:15] <gamerchick02> yes, please abuse me on the first date. since i've been dateless for the past 2 years, i will pretty much do whatever you want if you propose right now.
[16:15] <snap-l> Also, business is like high school.
[16:16] <Wolfger> snap-l: Too late... my bad behavior has already been encouraged, and I'm asking an artist friend of mine to design a t-shirt out of it.
[16:16] <snap-l> so you have that to look forward to as well. :)
[16:16] <gamerchick02> no shit. i got used to stinking of it when i was at Delphi.
[16:16] <snap-l> I think we need to start the IRC collective or something
[16:16] <gamerchick02> my problem? i hate politics (in all forms, national all the way down to office).
[16:17] <gamerchick02> i think i need to give up and start smoking weed on the couch.
[16:17] <snap-l> because we're clearly not employable. :)
[16:17] <Wolfger> gamerchick02: the comment only annoyed me because you're starting at $25 theoretically, and I make slightly under that *after* my first raise... But, different jobs, so different pay scales.
[16:17] <gamerchick02> wolfger, a guy in my position at delphi would have made $20.
[16:18] <gamerchick02> and he wouldn't have had admin assistant on his pay stubs.
[16:18] <gamerchick02> no, i'm not STARTING. at $25. they're starting negotiation at $25.
[16:18] <Wolfger> ah
[16:18] <gamerchick02> which means i'll be closer to the $20 mark, and probably lower. since i'm female. and not worth more.
[16:19] <gamerchick02> and since i'll have to carry insurance thanks to 'bamacare, i'm sure my net will go down to probably something like $10/hr
[16:19] <Wolfger> well, IMO, you need to quit thinking that way. It may or may not be true, but if you are thinking that going into things, you're handicapping yourself
[16:20] <gamerchick02> perhaps, but ranting about it actually helps.
[16:20] <gamerchick02> i'm grumpy today.
[16:20] <Wolfger> rant away then :-)
[16:20] <Wolfger> besides, what do I know? I'm just a man.
[16:20] <gamerchick02> feel free to beat me with pointy sticks, as i probably deserve it. especially today. i've been horrible to people in here.
[16:20] <Wolfger> woot!
[16:20] <gamerchick02> no, i count you as a friend. you know more than me. plenty more than me.
[16:21]  * gamerchick02 hugs Wolfger
[16:21] <Wolfger> hey, cut that out
[16:21] <gamerchick02> he he!
[16:21] <Wolfger> I can't beat you with pointy sticks if I'm being hugged
[16:21] <gamerchick02> true. but that was my point!!
[16:21] <gamerchick02> :-D
[16:21]  * gamerchick02 hugs everyone in here
[16:23] <gamerchick02> is anyone else in here looking forward to fall as much as i am?
[16:23] <Wolfger> fall is here, weather-wise, and I am loving it
[16:24] <gamerchick02> as am i. cuddly sweaters! jeans! jackets!
[16:24] <gamerchick02> i can hardly wait to pull out my long wool coat.
[16:24] <rick_h_> I want the rain to stop
[16:24] <rick_h_> must ride bike...
[16:25] <rick_h_> but +1 on the temps
[16:25] <gamerchick02> go out and start singing.
[16:25] <gamerchick02> i recommend a grey suit and fedora and an umbrella.
[16:25] <gamerchick02> and you'll need a lamppost.
[16:25] <gamerchick02> "Come on with the rain, there's a smile on my face"
[16:25] <gamerchick02> oh dear god, i think I've listened to that song too much when i can almost quote it word for word.
[16:27] <Wolfger> :-)
[16:28] <gamerchick02> oh, Gene Kelly, you will never know what you've done to me...
[16:30] <snap-l> I wish that some Apple engineer would take a picture of a bowel movement with an iPhone 5, and upload it to Flickr
[16:30] <snap-l> leave it not-private for about 5 hours
[16:30] <snap-l> then make it private
[16:30] <rick_h_> lol
[16:31] <snap-l> watching the tech news sites wax poetic over a bowl of shit would be awesome
[16:31] <snap-l> "Look at the camera resolution"
[16:35] <gamerchick02> omg. snap-l that's awesome.
[16:42] <gamerchick02> http://feministing.com/2011/09/08/on-being-a-chef-a-woman-and-the-need-for-safe-spaces/ relevant to everyone.
[16:46] <Wolfger> Man, what is it with my mind today? First it was The Ramones, now it's offshore support's name. Kumar Kandregula.... Kandregula. OMG, I'm getting support from Count Dracula?!?
[16:47] <snap-l> Wolfger: Maybe you should stop drinking at 10am
[16:50] <Wolfger> snap-l: maybe I should *start* drinking at 10am
[16:50] <gamerchick02> lol @ wolfger.
[16:51] <gamerchick02> time for lunch. back later
[17:32] <rick_h_> Blazeix: I've got a property on a model that's a list. So model.triggers = [] is the default
[17:32] <rick_h_> and then I'm doing a "add_trigger" method to append to it
[17:32] <rick_h_> do you know of any way around .set({})
[17:32] <rick_h_> ?
[17:32] <rick_h_> else I'll have to get it, append, and then reset it?
[17:36] <Blazeix> I'm just starting to look into that myself (that's why I was poking around the backbonejs-hierarchical library earlier)
[17:37] <Blazeix> So far my models have been pretty simple, I don't really have a system in place that handles it
[17:37] <rick_h_> yea, I just pulled it, appended it, and put it back for now
[17:37] <rick_h_> I need to dbl check events now
[17:38] <rick_h_> if you .bind('change') several times does it overwrite or play nice and call multiple?
[17:39] <rick_h_> ah cool, does a list yay
[17:53] <gamerchick02> http://users.wolfcrews.com/toys/vikings/ relevant.
[18:08] <rick_h_> woot! it works, feature parity reached
[18:08] <rick_h_> love the model change events
[18:09] <snap-l> gamerchick02: Why?
[18:09] <gamerchick02> what? viking cats are always relevant
[18:09] <gamerchick02> not to this discussion, but to our lives.
[18:09] <gamerchick02> :)
[18:10] <Wolfger> viking kittens are awesome
[18:10] <gamerchick02> i'm feeling better after lunch. the cobwebs are starting to go away.
[18:10] <Wolfger> snap-l: because it rulez!
[18:10] <gamerchick02> my brain feels better now.
[18:10] <gamerchick02> i thought Wolfger would be in my corner. :-D
[18:12] <Blazeix> vikings are a metaphor for backbone.js, and kittens represent the MVC architectural pattern.
[18:12] <Blazeix> duh
[18:12] <gamerchick02> i didn't know that.
[18:13] <Wolfger> so backbone.js makes MVC awesome?
[18:13] <Wolfger> what does the Led Zepplin tune represent?
[18:15] <snap-l> That we're migrating to backbone.js in droves
[18:15] <snap-l> We're immigrants from our other languages that have already been plundered and pillaged
[18:15] <Blazeix> I saw yesterday that both the new HTML5 pandora and the linkedin phone app are written in backbone. pretty cool
[18:16] <Wolfger> huh
[18:16] <rick_h_> Blazeix: yea, it's more LoC than I had before, but love how the events are nice/grouped
[18:16] <rick_h_> the view/model is split
[18:16] <rick_h_> I could makes things better by doing collections, but skipped that for now
[18:17] <Wolfger> maybe I just don't pay attention to web stuff anymore, but I haven't heard of backbone until.... uh... 2 minutes ago? :-p
[18:17] <rick_h_> what's awesome is it all just init's and it's all events after that
[18:17] <rick_h_> Wolfger: it's all the rage for the last 3wk
[18:17] <Wolfger> so, like, forever in web terms :-D
[18:18] <brousch> Wolfger: don't feel too bad. i do pay attention and heard about it 2 weeks ago
[18:18] <Wolfger> "you're still using what? That is *so* 4 weeks ago..."
[18:23] <gamerchick02> lol wolfger
[18:24] <gamerchick02> i hadn't heard about it, but then again i don't pay much attention to computer languages. I'm horrible, i know.
[18:24] <snap-l> I have turned on my Thinkpad's light (work thinkpad)
[18:24] <gamerchick02> oh dear god, that cake smells good.
[18:24] <snap-l> Partially because it's dark, and partially because I can
[18:24] <gamerchick02> my mom's making a spice cake for the burrito dinner tomorrow.
[18:24] <gamerchick02> you have a light on your computer?
[18:24] <gamerchick02> how epic.
[18:24] <snap-l> Yes, yes I do
[18:25] <snap-l> it's the answer to the Mac backlit keyboard.
[18:25] <gamerchick02> but... my mom's making a spice cake!
[18:25] <Blazeix> hm, can you control that light from software? it'd be interesting to hook it up to libnotify :)
[18:25] <gamerchick02> i have no light on my computer. *sadface*
[18:25] <gamerchick02> ooooh. that would be cool!
[18:25] <snap-l> Blazeix: I wouldn't see why you couldn't, but I don't know how
[18:26] <Wolfger> Blazeix++
[18:26] <Blazeix> I think I have that light on my lappy, too. I think it's been turned on once, maybe.
[18:27] <snap-l> I think it's part of the T series
[18:27] <snap-l> there's a keypress that might turn it on under Linux
[18:27] <Wolfger> Blazeix: and the answer is, yes you can. http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/ThinkLight
[18:28] <snap-l> honestly, I never tried when I had Ubuntu on this machine
[18:30] <Blazeix> Wolfger: nice
[18:31] <snap-l> OK, I really love King Crimson's Vroom album
[18:33] <rick_h_> Blazeix: yea, there's a pidgin plugin to do it
[18:33] <rick_h_> so that it blinks that light whenever you get a message
[18:34] <Wolfger> would be annoying if you're working in the dark with your light on and it starts blinking, though
[18:37] <rick_h_> meh, I used it for new messages long ago
[18:37] <snap-l> you'd know you had a message. :)
[18:37] <rick_h_> now my laptop is docked so I don't see the light anyway
[18:37] <rick_h_> bwuhaha, showed the boss the backbone stuff and now it's going to be class time
[18:38] <Wolfger> I sense more quality time with NC in your future
[18:38] <rick_h_> nooooooooo
[18:38] <rick_h_> he rose up again earilier "how come this command doesn't work? It says it cannot find a _build directory?"
[18:38] <rick_h_> "do you have the default sphinx _build directory?"
[18:39] <rick_h_> "no, I tell sphinx I don't want one, I like it this way vs default"
[18:39] <gamerchick02> sphinx_build? for real?
[18:39] <rick_h_> well...ima guess that's the problem
[18:39] <rick_h_> now, _build is the dir that sphinx creates if you go defaults
[18:39] <rick_h_> he was mad my script failed because he didn't use the defaults
[18:39] <gamerchick02> when I think of sphinx, i think of the stone cat things in Egypt.
[18:40] <rick_h_> heh, no, sphinx the python documentation tool
[18:43] <gamerchick02> :) very cool.
[18:43] <rick_h_> cat people :P
[18:44] <Wolfger> LOL
[18:44] <gamerchick02> i'm allergic. the only reason i say that is because of Nile. the sphinx is one of our unofficial symbols.
[18:45] <gamerchick02> but i do love kitties! too bad i'm allergic to them. i'd probably have one.
[18:45] <Wolfger> I'd be happy to give you one
[18:46] <Wolfger> I'm down to 3, and one of them I don't much like
[18:46] <Wolfger> and I think it's safe to say we'll probably never have another cat after these 3 pass.
[18:46] <rick_h_> +1
[18:46] <rick_h_> worst mistake ever
[18:47] <Wolfger> I've had some really cool cats. Still have one of them. But they are so hit-and-miss, and having cats and dogs in the same house is just insane
[18:48] <Wolfger> and when we get fleas... bathing cats is total bloody suckage
[18:48] <gamerchick02> oh no!
[18:49] <gamerchick02> maybe if i get one of these jobs i'm in for and move, i might take you up on that offer
[18:49] <Wolfger> The one I'm trying to get rid of is ridiculously affectionate.
[18:49] <gamerchick02> down to 3? how many did you have, wolfger?
[18:49] <gamerchick02> oh, sounds cute!
[18:49] <snap-l> I love cats.
[18:50] <Wolfger> Like, force herself on you affectionate. Which is why we don't like her
[18:50] <gamerchick02> oh. well, i'd need to take some time and meet the cat first.
[18:50] <gamerchick02> like sit on your computer? or something?
[18:50] <Wolfger> We had five, a couple of them passed away, and then we rescued a couple from a friend's house when her dog mauled one of them.
[18:51] <gamerchick02> eep. sounds like you've got a good kitty heart! :)
[18:51] <Wolfger> and one more passed, and we found a home for one of the rescues
[18:51] <Wolfger> so... down to 3, hoping to get down to 2
[18:52] <gamerchick02> well, if i end up getting one of these jobs, i'll have to take a look.
[18:52] <gamerchick02> you have a dog too? some cats and dogs get on really well.
[18:52] <Wolfger> That would be great!
[18:52] <snap-l> "Keep on Rotting in the Free World" by Carcass
[18:52] <Wolfger> I am down to 4 dogs
[18:52] <gamerchick02> 4 dogs. wow!
[18:52] <gamerchick02> you've got a zoo!
[18:52] <Wolfger> The cats and the Great Dane get along great.
[18:53] <gamerchick02> not as bad as my friend's daughter Amy. they have goats, cats, a dog, and chickens now
[18:53] <snap-l> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DiXwatdG30Y
[18:53] <Wolfger> The 3 basenjis have a high prey drive, though, and chase the cats.
[18:53] <gamerchick02> yes, they live on a farm
[18:53] <gamerchick02> snap-l, there's a band called Carcass?
[18:53] <Wolfger> big dogs > little dogs
[18:54] <snap-l> gamerchick02: there's bands called much worse.
[18:54] <gamerchick02> oi.
[18:54] <gamerchick02> i know.
[18:54] <gamerchick02> some bands don't make sense with their name.
[18:54] <snap-l> Bring Me the Horizon
[18:54] <snap-l> Suicide Silence
[18:54] <snap-l> hate those names
[18:54] <snap-l> Alexisonfire
[18:54] <gamerchick02> strange names.
[19:12] <jrwren> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_IGuUsqJwQ
[19:14] <snap-l> Apparently a hot topic exploded in Germany
[19:14] <jrwren> lol.
[19:16] <snap-l> jrwren: Reminds me of this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aS-gGYaA8F0&ob=av3e
[19:19] <jrwren> haha, me too.
[19:19] <jrwren> sadly, Monday nights at necto is more like the former than the latter.
[19:19] <snap-l> Yeah, I can imagine
[19:20] <jrwren> you just reminded me that SP Rabies is only 3 yrs away in my playlist :)
[19:20] <jrwren> err... 5 hrs... I guess I'll get to it tomorrow.
[19:21] <snap-l> Man that's a major playlist.
[19:28] <snap-l> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eL7T3apuzQU&feature=BFa <-The Afternoon cries for Metal
[19:44] <gamerchick02> the afternoon cries for metal?
[20:05] <brousch> snap-l: don't you use blender? this looks up your alley http://ht.ly/1eBkpk
[20:09] <TeamXlink> Wow, its amazing the up time of computers that people have.
[20:10] <TeamXlink> If anyones on the grlug mailing list, you should read the "Moment of Silence" thread it is amazing, the archive of it is here: http://shinobu.grlug.org/pipermail/grlug/2011-September/thread.html (I would link directly to it, but it isn't in one link.)
[20:11] <TeamXlink> This was something someone said:
[20:11] <TeamXlink> "Phil - that is funny you bring up that story. IBM iSeries/AS/400/i5 sales/service/administration people used to (and maybe still do) tell a similar story about a AS/400 that was dry walled into a closet for years... only to be found when they needed to do a system upgrade."
[20:11] <TeamXlink> ./end quote
[20:12] <TeamXlink> That is amazing to think a computer being dry walled in a closet still running for that long!
[20:12] <gamerchick02> whoa. and i shut my laptop off at night.
[20:12] <gamerchick02> so it's only uptime is like 8-12 hours at most.
[20:13] <_stink_> does a linode count?  i'm not exactly responsible for the power and stuff... but 266 days
[20:13] <_stink_> not that it's a contest.
[20:14] <TeamXlink> I currently run a Linux dedicated erver running Warsow (Before that it was Quake 3), and its uptime is until our power goes out.
[20:15] <brousch> TeamXlink: Ben Rousch started that? I hate that guy. Fuck him right in the neck.
[20:16] <_stink_> yeah
[20:16] <devinheitmueller> heh
[20:16] <TeamXlink> ./me doesn't think its good to hate yourself, if I understand this correctly.
[20:17]  * TeamXlink doesn't think its good to hate yourself, if I understand this correctly.
[20:17] <TeamXlink> At school today we had to do a pretest on the computers in Civics class. and I noticed that in the lab we were in, it didn't have Microsoft Office.
[20:17] <TeamXlink> It had OpenOffice.
[20:17] <brousch> it wasn't meant to to turn into a uptime penis measuring contest, but such things usually end up that way
[20:18] <brousch> what scool?
[20:20] <TeamXlink> East Kentwood High School
[20:20] <TeamXlink> I'
[20:20] <TeamXlink> m not sure if its on all of the computers in the school but it was on the ones in that lab.
[20:20] <brousch> nice
[20:22] <brousch> TeamXlink: did you know there's an active grlug irc channel?
[20:22] <TeamXlink> No, I didn't
[20:22] <TeamXlink> Sweet!
[20:23]  * TeamXlink goes to set that one up to autojoin as well.
[20:24] <snap-l> brousch: The Blender Game Engine has been a part of Blender since the 1.x series
[20:25] <brousch> so use it!
[20:25] <brousch> and the python3 scripting engine
[20:29] <jrwren> brousch: I don't think Bob Kline has his numbers right :)
[20:30] <brousch> jrwren: don't go there. BK is special
[20:30] <jrwren> k
[20:42] <tyrok> Hi!  Heard about the channel and thought I'd drop by.
[20:43] <Blazeix> hey!
[20:43] <snap-l> Welcome
[21:05] <snap-l> Have I mentioned lately that I really hate SOAP and XML?
[22:39] <gamerchick02> SOAP?
[22:40] <snap-l> Shitty Object Assinine Protocol
[22:40] <snap-l> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SOAP
[23:43] <widox> hey-o
[23:43] <widox> visiting our old madison heights caribou this evening
[23:43] <snap-l> Oh, nice
[23:45] <rick_h_> woo
[23:45] <gamerchick02> lol snap-l