[00:01] 10" is a little too big for me though [00:02] can't quite reach the middle letters on keyboard when held vertically [00:04] for the osd key? [00:04] right [00:04] yeah, i mean a 10" tablet [11:27] party morning [11:30] morning party [11:41] So when do I make my first commit to github? I'm thinking... never. I don't want anybody to see how bad my code sucks. :-) [11:43] Wolfger: don't worry, no one will see it [11:43] damnit. i just discovered my shirt has a big grease stain on it [11:43] yeah, that's my second thought [11:43] nobody cares enough to look at my code :-) [11:46] Wolfger: just go look around code first [11:46] then you'll feel better [11:47] heh === vanberge_idle is now known as vanberge [12:14] Gid moaning [12:15] Wolfger: If you wait until your code is perfect, you'll never commit code [12:15] This is a fact [12:20] snap-l: http://search.cpan.org/~fxn/Acme-Pythonic/lib/Acme/Pythonic.pm [12:20] yeah. it's much better to release ugly code and then rick_h_ will fix it for you [12:20] hah, I've got some ugly code up there [12:20] I noticed I still had sendoff up there with packages on pypi [12:20] had to pull those down [12:20] though honestly I should ressurect that project [12:20] rick_h_: Wow, that's... wow. [12:20] the way I ship files off to work stuff, pastebin, the s3 buckets on amazon [12:21] snap-l: yea, let's just say I didn't go starting any code reviews on there [12:21] I think Perl needs those braces, but it's interesting that it's flexible enough to handle it without [12:22] oh, yea the perl thing is funny [12:22] "I want to do perl...but like python...but I don't want to use python" [12:22] Get the worst of both worlds. :) [12:27] Huh. [12:28] I can't imagine *wanting* Python whitespace conventions in Perl :-p [12:43] LOL@xkcd [12:59] Blazeix: http://backbonetutorials.com is pretty cool [13:19] !@#$*$#@Y* NUKE NC! [13:20] not yet [13:20] all of it? [13:20] I am so glad rick_h_ doesn't have access to the big red button [13:20] yes, leave nothing behind! [13:20] new open beachfront property coming just as soon as the rads go down a few [13:20] "Rick, can we have a chat about how setup.py works?" [13:21] sure...30min later..."Oh, I completely missed that giant error message so I didn't understand how things work" [13:21] READ THE TEXT THE APP SPITS OUT kthx [13:21] The next person that says "it outputs lots of stuff..." without saying wtf "Lots of stuff is" I'm going to shoot [13:22] rick_h_: http://www.archive.org/details/Operatio1955 [13:22] but... isn't it your job to do their thinking for them? [13:22] XD [13:23] well he gets an in freaking argument with me that "that's not what the tool is doing on my end...it's not doing that at all" [13:24] BECAUSE IT WAS ERRORING! [13:24] so he was right! [13:24] oh @#$#@% [13:24] but he doesn't say "hey, this is funny" [13:25] he says "Hey Rick, can you take some time to explain to me how this whole process works from top to bottom..and only after you spend all that time will I tell you the real issue is that the script your wrote for me don't work" [13:25] "and that only fails because I did stupid stuff I'm not supposed to do" [13:26] And while you're at it, sudo make me a sandwich [13:41] lol [13:56] I'm going to scream. [13:57] <_stink_> uh oh [13:57] Just got a note from someone about what the savings would be if our customer took over the forum support that I do [13:57] Well, the savings would be my salary, and any overhead associated with it [13:58] <_stink_> what will they pay the inanimate object that will do the job instead? [13:58] I swear, that's the most tone-deaf question someone can ask [13:59] damn, that's kind of for your boss...now you [14:00] I'm pretty much my boss [14:00] and hey, while you're at it, could you head over to ATT and train the guy taking your place? [14:00] send him your scripts/test tools/etc [14:00] My original boss moved on. [14:00] Oh, gladly. [14:00] I thought you had the new chick lady [14:00] I'll send them whatever they want [14:00] (original boss) [14:01] New boss is more worried about positioning herself. [14:06] Gah, now they're asking me what I've been working on [14:07] Jesus, this is brilliant [14:09] "I've been working on my resume because it's obvious you asshats are going to screw me!" [14:09] truth [14:10] Well, now it's come under question because of contract renewal. Customer thinks they can save money by doing it in house [14:10] which they can, because they've pretty much killed any momentum for it by allowing marketing to sit on it [14:11] Apparently developers don't flock to web APIs like crackwhores looking for a fix. [14:11] Who knew? [14:12] especially when they're mobile developers that can get the same, if not better results by using the tricks they honed for the past 10+ years. [14:22] Sorry i missed the meeting yesterday. [14:26] np [14:31] i completely forgot about it and went to the farmer's market. [14:33] farmer's market ftw [14:33] it was good [14:33] we got some sweet corn and cinnamon rolls. [14:33] there's a bakery that has a table. [14:38] Blazeix: ping [14:46] rick_h_: yeh [14:46] er, hey, I'm dyslexic, apparently [14:46] hey, backbone.js question for you [14:47] trying to figure out how to add a tr to a table, but then reference it [14:47] messing with the view this.el [14:47] so trying to work out, if this.el = 'tr' [14:47] does it create a new tr then? [14:48] yes, I believe it does, so you could just append your cell elements to 'el' [14:48] ok, trying that atm, figuring out what to put intot he jquery template [14:48] what the el should be [14:48] and how to reference it after for events [14:48] and getting mixed up [14:49] so you'd give it a tagName and className [14:49] and then it constructs it, and puts a reference in 'el' [14:50] then if you want to listen to events, you'd scope it by class [14:50] ah ok. [14:50] hmmm, so since the classname is based off the model, wonder how the order is working here [14:51] you're doing a view per row, right? or is it a view for the entire table? [14:51] http://paste.mitechie.com/show/403/ [14:51] view per row [14:51] that's the old template where the tr got a class based on the model record [14:52] but that doens't then have el set to anything decent [14:55] yea, can't use the model to define the className [14:55] so if I leave that out, each row replaces the one before it [14:55] and I end up with the last row as the only row to the table [14:55] ah, can pass the className directory to the view constructor [14:56] so the first thing I'd try is removing the 'el' property, and replacing it with 'tagName':tr [14:56] then removing the 'tr' from your template [14:56] this.el then _should_ be the generated 'tr', which you can then set the class name from. [14:56] there we go [14:57] moved the model from the initialized, passed a {model:t , className:t.name} [14:57] and then set the tagname like you said [14:58] awesome, and events working [14:58] ah, nice, from the parent view? [14:58] yea, just using events() [14:59] redoing my thing at work in backbone, porting the hand done events/models/etc into backbone [14:59] and mapping is taking a few [14:59] but starting to come together [14:59] awesome [15:00] yea, thanks for the help [15:00] the arrays of tutorials all do things slightly diff [15:02] yeah, i've been hanging out in #documentcloud, and the answer to "am I doing this right?" is always "does it work? then yes." [15:03] and hah [15:03] oops, hah [15:07] remembering to do .get() is killing me lol [15:41] ugh. why do contract houses INSIST on "meeting" the candidate onsite before an interview? [15:41] now I have to get up EVEN EARLIER and be down to Chrysler at effing 9:30 instead of 10. [15:42] i didn't realize i needed to be baby-sat. [15:46] it's for your protection [15:46] :) [15:46] can't have you making side deals and getting around things [15:46] it's actually a ruse so they can see what car you drive. That's Important. [15:47] Blazeix: Yeah, they want to make sure you're not currently driving a Chrysler vehicle. [15:47] so they can try to make a sale [15:47] haha [15:47] I have never seen a larger parking lot of Hondas and Toyotas in Michigan than when I worked for Chrysler [15:48] few of the offshore developers bought Chrysler cars because they didn't want to take the hit selling it when they went back [15:48] gamerchick02: Also, they want to make sure you don't clash with the decor. [15:49] so i should dress in all grey with a grey hat then? [15:49] because Chrysler is grey on the inside, unless they've changed since the last time i interviewed there [15:50] gamerchick02: Nah, just dress in kid pictures and dead plants, and you should be fine [15:50] oooh. good point. [15:50] but i have no kids. [15:50] and our plants are all living. [15:50] istockphoto [15:50] good point. [15:50] i drive a Mazda. i'd never get anything made by chrysler. [15:51] and yes, mazda = ford, i'm aware. >_< [15:51] was [15:51] I think they got sold off again [15:51] At least Land Rover and Jaguar did [15:51] no, the ford fusion is a mazda6 and the ford focus is a 3i. [15:51] land rover was a pos anyway. === greg_g is now known as greg-g [15:54] Chrysler isn't gray on the inside, but your soul will be... [15:56] Well, it's that multicultural gray / mauve [15:57] Ok, I'm having way too much fun rolling this Zocchihedron around my desk [15:57] picked one up in OH for $.25 at a resale shop [15:58] Zocchihedron? [15:58] d100 [15:58] huh [15:59] I would have expected it to be a centihedron or some such [15:59] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zocchihedron [16:00] It's named for Lou Zocchi from Game Science (makers of fine dice) [16:00] I also got some round D6 dice [16:01] Wolfger, i worked for delphi. can't get much greyer. [16:01] also, i'll be a CONTRACT. which gets about as much respect as a high school kid sweeping the shop floor. [16:01] gamerchick02: Depends on the department [16:02] also, keep your badge in your wallet, and nobody knows the difference. [16:02] yeah, but in general, contracts are shit on the ground. [16:02] I felt like a real employee, save for "All Employee Meetings" [16:02] gamerchick02: I am a contract at Chrysler these past 10 years. I know. [16:02] Only if you let it [16:02] You're still a human being [16:02] i don't really want to work there. i'd rather work for Piolax [16:02] http://ubuntuone.com/22ecut5wZy5w1L1PtQjMzc <- Round D6 [16:02] no call back yet, but there was a holiday recently. [16:03] i hope to hear more by tomorrow or something. [16:03] snap-l: I've seen those before. Nifty toy, but I wouldn't want to roll them with any frequency. [16:04] This one stops pretty well [16:04] same with the zocchihedron, for that matter [16:04] i'd love to be able to tell this contract place where to shove their low paying job with no benefits. [16:04] It's like rolling a golfball with shot to help make it stop [16:04] gamerchick02: they can shove it right up your bank account because you're desperate? :-D [16:04] ;) probalby [16:05] so what/where are you applying? [16:05] it's through RGBSI. product engineer job, essentially what i did at delphi but different parts, etc [16:06] Well, good luck. I'm surprised they're contracting that position [16:06] Wolfger: I'm not. [16:06] at this point, i don't give a shit what department i'm in. they're "starting" negotiations at $25/hr, but i'm sure they'll just bump me down to $18/hr because i'm female. [16:06] They'd contract out their entire staff if they could. [16:06] no shit, sherlock. [16:06] snap-l: point [16:07] but the engineering jobs I thought were all unionized [16:07] gamerchick02: Nah, They'll start you at $25, then take 3 years to give you a raise. ;) [16:07] Wolfger: Pfft [16:07] Unions are toothless nowadays [16:07] dude, i've never made more than $15/hr. i'll gladly take $25/hr [16:07] gamerchick02: If you get a raise in 3 years, you've been fast-tracked [16:07] as long as i don't have to carry insurance, i'll be a happy little drone [16:07] Oh, sorry, right [16:08] They'll give you a pay-cut in 3 years. [16:08] for the good of the company. [16:08] I had my 10-year anni on June 1, and they are just now discussing my second raise. [16:09] holy shit. but then again, you're male, so you will get paid more. (sorry, i'm grumpy. i didn't sleep well last night and i get a call today about having to be baby-sat at my interview... just puts me off on the wrong everything.) [16:09] ... [16:09] gamerchick02: You have to meet your new boss at some point [16:09] And contracting houses are like dating services [16:10] oh fuck me with a knife. i hate dating. [16:10] "Matchmaker Matchmaker, make me a match [16:10] find me a find [16:10] snap-l: s/dating services/pimps/ [16:10] hence, why i'm single. [16:10] catch me a catch [16:10] YES PIMPS [16:10] Matchmaker matchmaker make me a match [16:10] my mom gets mad when i refer to them as pimps and me as a prostitute. [16:10] heh [16:10] gamerchick02: That's essentially what it is [16:11] "you're better than that" [16:11] actually, no, i'm not. [16:11] Just tell her you're meeting your "John" [16:11] That'll put her right off [16:11] i know, snap-l. [16:11] it's not that much different, except i don't get paid as much. *ZING* [16:12] i'm horrible. [16:12] sorry. [16:12] Well, and you get fucked every day as a contractor. [16:13] Wolfger, my comment related to you getting paid more... sorry, didn't mean to make you mad. [16:13] but at least you get insurance for VD [16:13] so it evens out [16:13] "UGH, GIVE IT TO ME HARDER, UUUUUH" [16:13] * gamerchick02 is HORRIBLE [16:13] i use condoms. [16:13] hah! [16:14] seriously, i'd rather be single at this point in my life... no guy to have to pick up after. [16:14] but a job, i'd like that. [16:15] i just hate that it's like dating. it's disgusting. [16:15] It's business. [16:15] yes, please abuse me on the first date. since i've been dateless for the past 2 years, i will pretty much do whatever you want if you propose right now. [16:15] Also, business is like high school. [16:16] snap-l: Too late... my bad behavior has already been encouraged, and I'm asking an artist friend of mine to design a t-shirt out of it. [16:16] so you have that to look forward to as well. :) [16:16] no shit. i got used to stinking of it when i was at Delphi. [16:16] I think we need to start the IRC collective or something [16:16] my problem? i hate politics (in all forms, national all the way down to office). [16:17] i think i need to give up and start smoking weed on the couch. [16:17] because we're clearly not employable. :) [16:17] gamerchick02: the comment only annoyed me because you're starting at $25 theoretically, and I make slightly under that *after* my first raise... But, different jobs, so different pay scales. [16:17] wolfger, a guy in my position at delphi would have made $20. [16:18] and he wouldn't have had admin assistant on his pay stubs. [16:18] no, i'm not STARTING. at $25. they're starting negotiation at $25. [16:18] ah [16:18] which means i'll be closer to the $20 mark, and probably lower. since i'm female. and not worth more. [16:19] and since i'll have to carry insurance thanks to 'bamacare, i'm sure my net will go down to probably something like $10/hr [16:19] well, IMO, you need to quit thinking that way. It may or may not be true, but if you are thinking that going into things, you're handicapping yourself [16:20] perhaps, but ranting about it actually helps. [16:20] i'm grumpy today. [16:20] rant away then :-) [16:20] besides, what do I know? I'm just a man. [16:20] feel free to beat me with pointy sticks, as i probably deserve it. especially today. i've been horrible to people in here. [16:20] woot! [16:20] no, i count you as a friend. you know more than me. plenty more than me. [16:21] * gamerchick02 hugs Wolfger [16:21] hey, cut that out [16:21] he he! [16:21] I can't beat you with pointy sticks if I'm being hugged [16:21] true. but that was my point!! [16:21] :-D [16:21] * gamerchick02 hugs everyone in here [16:23] is anyone else in here looking forward to fall as much as i am? [16:23] fall is here, weather-wise, and I am loving it [16:24] as am i. cuddly sweaters! jeans! jackets! [16:24] i can hardly wait to pull out my long wool coat. [16:24] I want the rain to stop [16:24] must ride bike... [16:25] but +1 on the temps [16:25] go out and start singing. [16:25] i recommend a grey suit and fedora and an umbrella. [16:25] and you'll need a lamppost. [16:25] "Come on with the rain, there's a smile on my face" [16:25] oh dear god, i think I've listened to that song too much when i can almost quote it word for word. [16:27] :-) [16:28] oh, Gene Kelly, you will never know what you've done to me... [16:30] I wish that some Apple engineer would take a picture of a bowel movement with an iPhone 5, and upload it to Flickr [16:30] leave it not-private for about 5 hours [16:30] then make it private [16:30] lol [16:31] watching the tech news sites wax poetic over a bowl of shit would be awesome [16:31] "Look at the camera resolution" [16:35] omg. snap-l that's awesome. [16:42] http://feministing.com/2011/09/08/on-being-a-chef-a-woman-and-the-need-for-safe-spaces/ relevant to everyone. [16:46] Man, what is it with my mind today? First it was The Ramones, now it's offshore support's name. Kumar Kandregula.... Kandregula. OMG, I'm getting support from Count Dracula?!? [16:47] Wolfger: Maybe you should stop drinking at 10am [16:50] snap-l: maybe I should *start* drinking at 10am [16:50] lol @ wolfger. [16:51] time for lunch. back later [17:32] Blazeix: I've got a property on a model that's a list. So model.triggers = [] is the default [17:32] and then I'm doing a "add_trigger" method to append to it [17:32] do you know of any way around .set({}) [17:32] ? [17:32] else I'll have to get it, append, and then reset it? [17:36] I'm just starting to look into that myself (that's why I was poking around the backbonejs-hierarchical library earlier) [17:37] So far my models have been pretty simple, I don't really have a system in place that handles it [17:37] yea, I just pulled it, appended it, and put it back for now [17:37] I need to dbl check events now [17:38] if you .bind('change') several times does it overwrite or play nice and call multiple? [17:39] ah cool, does a list yay [17:53] http://users.wolfcrews.com/toys/vikings/ relevant. [18:08] woot! it works, feature parity reached [18:08] love the model change events [18:09] gamerchick02: Why? [18:09] what? viking cats are always relevant [18:09] not to this discussion, but to our lives. [18:09] :) [18:10] viking kittens are awesome [18:10] i'm feeling better after lunch. the cobwebs are starting to go away. [18:10] snap-l: because it rulez! [18:10] my brain feels better now. [18:10] i thought Wolfger would be in my corner. :-D [18:12] vikings are a metaphor for backbone.js, and kittens represent the MVC architectural pattern. [18:12] duh [18:12] i didn't know that. [18:13] so backbone.js makes MVC awesome? [18:13] what does the Led Zepplin tune represent? [18:15] That we're migrating to backbone.js in droves [18:15] We're immigrants from our other languages that have already been plundered and pillaged [18:15] I saw yesterday that both the new HTML5 pandora and the linkedin phone app are written in backbone. pretty cool [18:16] huh [18:16] Blazeix: yea, it's more LoC than I had before, but love how the events are nice/grouped [18:16] the view/model is split [18:16] I could makes things better by doing collections, but skipped that for now [18:17] maybe I just don't pay attention to web stuff anymore, but I haven't heard of backbone until.... uh... 2 minutes ago? :-p [18:17] what's awesome is it all just init's and it's all events after that [18:17] Wolfger: it's all the rage for the last 3wk [18:17] so, like, forever in web terms :-D [18:18] Wolfger: don't feel too bad. i do pay attention and heard about it 2 weeks ago [18:18] "you're still using what? That is *so* 4 weeks ago..." [18:23] lol wolfger [18:24] i hadn't heard about it, but then again i don't pay much attention to computer languages. I'm horrible, i know. [18:24] I have turned on my Thinkpad's light (work thinkpad) [18:24] oh dear god, that cake smells good. [18:24] Partially because it's dark, and partially because I can [18:24] my mom's making a spice cake for the burrito dinner tomorrow. [18:24] you have a light on your computer? [18:24] how epic. [18:24] Yes, yes I do [18:25] it's the answer to the Mac backlit keyboard. [18:25] but... my mom's making a spice cake! [18:25] hm, can you control that light from software? it'd be interesting to hook it up to libnotify :) [18:25] i have no light on my computer. *sadface* [18:25] ooooh. that would be cool! [18:25] Blazeix: I wouldn't see why you couldn't, but I don't know how [18:26] Blazeix++ [18:26] I think I have that light on my lappy, too. I think it's been turned on once, maybe. [18:27] I think it's part of the T series [18:27] there's a keypress that might turn it on under Linux [18:27] Blazeix: and the answer is, yes you can. http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/ThinkLight [18:28] honestly, I never tried when I had Ubuntu on this machine [18:30] Wolfger: nice [18:31] OK, I really love King Crimson's Vroom album [18:33] Blazeix: yea, there's a pidgin plugin to do it [18:33] so that it blinks that light whenever you get a message [18:34] would be annoying if you're working in the dark with your light on and it starts blinking, though [18:37] meh, I used it for new messages long ago [18:37] you'd know you had a message. :) [18:37] now my laptop is docked so I don't see the light anyway [18:37] bwuhaha, showed the boss the backbone stuff and now it's going to be class time [18:38] I sense more quality time with NC in your future [18:38] nooooooooo [18:38] he rose up again earilier "how come this command doesn't work? It says it cannot find a _build directory?" [18:38] "do you have the default sphinx _build directory?" [18:39] "no, I tell sphinx I don't want one, I like it this way vs default" [18:39] sphinx_build? for real? [18:39] well...ima guess that's the problem [18:39] now, _build is the dir that sphinx creates if you go defaults [18:39] he was mad my script failed because he didn't use the defaults [18:39] when I think of sphinx, i think of the stone cat things in Egypt. [18:40] heh, no, sphinx the python documentation tool [18:43] :) very cool. [18:43] cat people :P [18:44] LOL [18:44] i'm allergic. the only reason i say that is because of Nile. the sphinx is one of our unofficial symbols. [18:45] but i do love kitties! too bad i'm allergic to them. i'd probably have one. [18:45] I'd be happy to give you one [18:46] I'm down to 3, and one of them I don't much like [18:46] and I think it's safe to say we'll probably never have another cat after these 3 pass. [18:46] +1 [18:46] worst mistake ever [18:47] I've had some really cool cats. Still have one of them. But they are so hit-and-miss, and having cats and dogs in the same house is just insane [18:48] and when we get fleas... bathing cats is total bloody suckage [18:48] oh no! [18:49] maybe if i get one of these jobs i'm in for and move, i might take you up on that offer [18:49] The one I'm trying to get rid of is ridiculously affectionate. [18:49] down to 3? how many did you have, wolfger? [18:49] oh, sounds cute! [18:49]