[05:01] hello? [05:01] oi bahar nikaall [05:03] good morning === artfwo_ is now known as artfwo [07:05] kamstrup: good morning! [07:05] kamstrup: don't hide you, I saw you answered to an email! :p [07:14] good morning [07:15] salut oSoMoN [07:15] salut didrocks! [07:27] didrocks: yo! [07:27] kamstrup: how are you? [07:27] didrocks: was busy merging branches from racarr :-) [07:27] kamstrup: ahah, no worry :) [07:27] didrocks: - nervous - hoping we didn't break everything with tomorrows releases ;-) [07:28] kamstrup: oh you did :) [07:28] not you, but you as dx :p [07:28] s/tomorrow/yesterday/ [07:28] (no unity upload yet, need some -2d guys) [07:28] didrocks: yeah, we know how you like it :-) [07:28] oSoMoN: btw, you can maybe help if you have time ^ [07:28] kamstrup: I loveeeeee it! [07:29] didrocks: you should be thankful - we provide you with excellent job security! ;-) [07:29] kamstrup: but on another topic, even with latest fts fixes, jasoncwarner still have this crash: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/zeitgeist/+bug/841798 [07:29] Ubuntu bug 841798 in zeitgeist (Ubuntu) "zeitgeist-daemon crashed with RuntimeError in _check_index_and_start_worker(): basic_string::assign" [High,Confirmed] [07:29] kamstrup: baby sitting you mean? :) [07:29] didrocks: not much time to spare, but let me know what it is, I can have a look [07:29] didrocks: or redirect you to Kaleo :) [07:29] didrocks: "potato tomato" as they say [07:30] oSoMoN: yeah, but he's not there yet, and it really delays upload of 20 packages in oneiric right now :/ [07:30] kamstrup: not any spinach? :p [07:30] oSoMoN: with latest unity-2d on oneiric, I have a segfault when starting the unity-2d-places daemon [07:30] ouch [07:30] oSoMoN: but if you don't have a box setup, it's maybe not the right time :) [07:31] I didn't push unity and all friends to not break -2d [07:31] didrocks: indeed, I don’t have a boy running oneiric at hand [07:31] oSoMoN: no worry, will wait for Kaleo [07:31] didrocks: do you have a full stacktrace? [07:32] oSoMoN: let me try to get the debug symbols [07:32] oSoMoN: but as I have a Qt in the ppa without them, it will be partiel [07:32] partial* [07:34] didrocks: that trace is from zg-fts 0.0.11 and not 0.0.12, i marked as incomplete until we see this bug with an up-to-date package [07:34] kamstrup: he's telling he still get it with 0.0.12 [07:34] kamstrup: but please, check with hi on #ubuntu-desktop, it can be slightly different and he only believes it's the same :) [07:34] didrocks: cheap talk, I want hard evidence :-) [07:34] him* [07:35] didrocks: will do [07:35] thanks :) === API is now known as Guest23681 [07:49] oSoMoN: [07:49] http://paste.ubuntu.com/685802/ [07:51] oSoMoN: the stack isn't useful, even if i get all threads, isn't it? [07:51] not used to Qt debugging, seems it tries to handle it [07:51] didrocks: let me have a look at it [07:56] didrocks: for what it’s worth, it looks to me like the culprit could be revision 702 or 706 (or both) [07:56] nerochiaro_: seen that ^^ ? [07:57] * didrocks looks [07:58] oSoMoN: yeah, seems the only part touching QSort… [08:00] oSoMoN: reverting 706, let's see [08:07] wasn't enough, reverting 702 [08:15] Hello [08:15] Is there any way to make unity not suck? [08:18] The entire reason I have a desktop is so I don't have to go hunting for what applications I have installed. [08:18] Unity has some nice features, but what the hell were you thinking when you decided to make users search for their applications or sift through every single application installed? [08:19] Ffs, l2design [09:10] Cimi, with the last unity the panel have a trasparent 1px line on top of it [09:11] i mean there is this 1px line and then there is the panel [09:11] andyrock: light-themes should have fixed that... [09:12] Cimi, ok... just one more thing [09:12] the pager of ayatana-scrollbar [09:13] sometimes his in part gray in part orange [09:13] andyrock: double check anyway with an updated oneiric [09:13] andyrock: it should be fine [09:13] without using the thumb buttons [09:13] andyrock: whih app? how? [09:13] *testcase? [09:13] *sometimes it is [09:14] I need a testcase, unfortunately [09:14] with xchat... but i'm not able to reproduce it all the time [09:14] if i will find a testcase i will open a bug [09:15] is this about the bug with xchat that it doesn't show on the unity launchbar? :) [09:15] I have that bug too :) [09:15] Snicksie, no [09:16] :) [09:16] oh, okay ;) sorry :p [09:16] np [09:18] Cimi, i'm able to reproduce only with xchat [09:18] so open xchat [09:18] make sure there are enough nickname in the right sidebar [09:18] *nicknames [09:19] ok [09:19] close xchat window [09:19] choosing minimize to tray [09:19] open it again using messaging menu [09:19] the pager on the right should be gray [09:20] now use the thum buttons... [09:20] didrocks: what's up? [09:20] Kaleo: too late, njpatel just fix it :) [09:20] didrocks: I see :) [09:21] well, it probably needs to be done correctly :) [09:22] andyrock: ok [09:22] andyrock: goit it [09:22] Cimi, are you able to reproduce? [09:22] andyrock: yep, I need to see if I can fix it, though :) [09:23] and if this can be reproduced in metacity [09:30] Cimi, you think it's a compiz focus problem? [09:31] andyrock: look at ayatana scrollbar code if you want: when you focus a window, functions root_filter_func and root_gfunc should colorize the pager correctly [09:31] in os-scrollbar.c [09:32] in know... [09:33] I know [09:34] looks like the code is failing [09:35] wondering if it's the fact I'm getting gtk_widget_get_window and then looping from it [09:35] instead gtk_widget_get_window (gtk_widget_get_toplevel ()) [09:35] (why I'm not doing that, anyway?) [09:37] so you do something like this (in pseudocode) [09:37] FOR widget = ... ; widget IS NOT toplevel; widget = widget->parent [09:38] ? [09:42] andyrock: no === Guest23681 is now known as apinheiro [09:44] Cimi, so this a bug in the themes? bug 845325 [09:44] htorque: link [09:44] pls [09:45] ubot's lazy... here it is: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/845325 [09:45] the 1px thing you talked about [09:45] bug #845325 [09:45] the ubot is really lazy :) [09:46] maybe he's about to time out - happened yesterday. [09:46] htorque: do you have light-themes updated? [09:47] htorque: or, which theme are you rinning? [09:48] Cimi: 0.1.8.24 - the latest afaict, using ambiance. i tracked this down to a commit in unity (see bug report) [09:50] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/845325/comments/3 ? [09:50] Ubuntu bug 845325 in unity (Ubuntu) "Wallpaper shows through 1px line above panel" [Undecided,Confirmed] [09:50] andyrock: htorque ? [09:51] my same problem... [09:51] Cimi: yes, with that reverted i don't get this 1px line - with 0.1.8.24. that's why i guess this has nothing to do with light-themes. [09:52] ok then [09:57] andyrock: so, that code is correct [09:58] andyrock: because this code is loaded when the window is not focused [09:58] andyrock: so it seems that it doesn't enter line 1107/8 [09:58] I'm trying to compile unity from sources and it fails compiling the tests [09:58] is this the current status or just my case? [09:58] njpatel, ^ ? [09:58] apinheiro, you need last libunity === Jens is now known as Guest13236 [09:58] andyrock, ok thanks [09:59] hmm I think that I already have the last package [09:59] apinheiro, use the desktop team PPA [09:59] andyrock, should I need to compile it? [09:59] apinheiro, https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/+archive/ppa [10:00] apinheiro, install ppa (i've just did it) or wait a couple of our [10:00] hours === chrisccoulson_ is now known as chrisccoulson [10:00] njpatel, ok thanks [10:01] Cimi [10:01] gdk_screen_get_active_window (gtk_widget_get_screen (GTK_WIDGET (scrollbar)))) [10:02] maybe it's not an ayatana-scrollbar problem [10:02] i've a lot of problem with focus in compiz right now [10:03] andyrock: that's why I said we need to see if it reproduces in metacity [10:04] metacity in oneric.... maybe using mutter we can test it [10:05] yep. metacity too [10:05] but only for xchat [10:06] well, just the nicklist [10:11] Cimi, i can reproduce it also on gnome shell [10:14] andyrock, maybe gtk_widget_get_toplevel doesn't work for it, I have no clue right now :-) [10:37] Anybody on 11.10? [10:38] I need to know what happens when you double click the top panel on the latest unity versions === bschaefer_ is now known as bschaefer [10:43] ephan: I am [10:44] Cimi, thanks. What happens when you double blick the panel [10:45] The code says it restores the maximized window, but er I'm not sure of what that means === bschaefer_ is now known as bschaefer [10:46] ephan: it unmaximizes it [10:47] And what if it's already unmaximized? [10:55] ephan, if there is an unfocused maximized window [10:55] it focus it I guess? [10:55] no [10:56] you can move that window [10:56] and then it get the focus [10:56] Ah thanks [10:56] to just focus it you can use middle click i think [10:57] Also andyrock, http://paste.ubuntu.com/685877/ shouldn't there be a "_is_inside = true;" after line 20? [10:57] That's part of PanelViewMenu.cpp I'm just reading and understanding some code [10:59] ephan, this code is quite tricky since there is a lot of thing to consider [10:59] you should talk with Trevinho [10:59] Thanks andyrock! [11:00] Also you guys often talk about pinging each other to check if they're here. Can you explain that to me? [11:00] or neil but don't distrub him :) [11:00] it's simple [11:01] in irc everyone have a nickname [11:02] so if you want call the attention of me for example [11:02] just do it [11:02] ping andyrock [11:02] irc will let me know that someone nominated me... [11:04] thanks andyrock, and sorry if I also disturbed you in any way [11:04] ephan_, np [11:32] TheMuso, finally I can confirm this bug [11:32] https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/844927 [11:32] Ubuntu bug 844927 in unity "Change on the at-spi accessibility-toolkit can affect also Unity" [Undecided,Confirmed] [11:32] Im already working on the solution [11:32] but meanwhile, could you set the importance? [11:32] Im not sure about it (and njpatel is not here) === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [12:33] njpatel, i've some problem with application menu [12:33] Trevinho, ^^^ [12:33] sup? [12:34] when i change window the last menu is not removed [12:34] so i have two menus [12:34] e.g [12:35] urgh [12:35] Trevinho, ^ [12:35] [File] [AAA] [BBB] [File] [CCC] [12:35] File ... BBB is the menu that should be removed [12:36] njpatel, and i can no loger use the mouse motion to switch from one indicator to another [12:36] one [12:36] i'm using dx ppa [12:37] i will talk with Trevinho btw [12:38] andyrock, weird, not getting anything like that :/ === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow === API is now known as apinheiro [12:54] njpatel, recently I detected this bug: [12:54] https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/844927 [12:54] Ubuntu bug 844927 in unity "Change on the at-spi accessibility-toolkit can affect also Unity" [Undecided,Confirmed] [12:54] Im working on the solution [12:54] but meanwhile [12:54] Im not sure about the proper importance [13:00] apinheiro, critical, as it breaks a11y [13:00] njpatel, ok thanks [13:00] urgh [13:00] njpatel, I can't modify that [13:05] apinheiro, wil ldo it [13:06] njpatel, ok, thanks [13:12] njpatel, I'm relieved to see that you are doing your python lens exactly as I'm doing mine : taking mikkel's work and replacing strings ;) [13:14] :) [13:19] njpatel, building from trunk and i no longer have the panel problem [13:19] weird :) === m_conley_away is now known as m_conley [13:20] andyrock, blame didrocks [13:20] :) [13:20] never ever ! :p [13:23] didrocks, in dx ppa there is also the unity-services package^ [13:23] ? [13:24] andyrock: which dx ppa? don't know any of them with a recent unity [13:25] njpatel: don't try to make me support all you weird and obscure ppas! :p [13:35] desktop ppa, surely? [13:36] didrocks, https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/+archive/ppa [13:36] :) [13:37] i instelled it to have all lib updates wihout any trouble :) [14:03] andyrock: this should work, it's the latest release [14:09] njpatel, branch proposed [14:09] and it is a trivial change ;) [14:10] https://code.launchpad.net/~apinheiro/unity/bug844927/+merge/74796 [14:10] Ubuntu bug 74796 in firefox (Ubuntu) "[EDGY] firefox crashed [@??] [@??] [@??]" [Medium,Invalid] [14:12] didrocks, unity-panel-service is in unity-services right? [14:12] andyrock: exactly [14:13] didrocks, desktop ppa has not the unity-services [14:13] note the s at "services", for future if any! :) [14:13] hum? [14:13] andyrock: no, it has [14:14] https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/+archive/ppa/+build/2773742 [14:15] didrocks, using unity from this ppa the panel has a lot of problem [14:15] andyrock: people on the french forum is using it, it's the latest release, did you restart the session after upgrading and restarting unity? [14:16] I have no problem aside from no indicator in the second people [14:16] seb128 had no issue either [14:16] didrocks, i don't rember but i think so... [14:16] and the package is there :) [14:16] btw np... :) [14:16] as you can see [14:16] andyrock: it's the version in oneiric now (and it's the tip of turnk) [14:16] trunk* [14:24] okok [14:28] * Trevinho back [14:28] andyrock: what's the problem? [14:29] and what about ephan? [14:29] Trevinho, no problem :) [14:29] Ok, I've read something about the panelmenuvew... [14:29] that is, however, still under my work [14:30] So, I know there are some issues, but I should have alredy identified or fixed [14:30] andyrock: the issue about menus on window switching... [14:30] it shouldn't be there honestly [14:32] Trevinho, there is no problem in trunk... [14:32] and neither in PPA... [14:32] something weird happened... :) [14:32] ok fine andy... Did you test my menu hacks branch? [14:32] i forgot it :) [14:32] let me do it [14:33] now! [14:38] njpatel: ^ :P [14:38] Trevinho, works good :) [14:39] Trevinho, i've a bug for you :) [14:39] Trevinho, ready? [14:39] andyrock: yes [14:39] maximize a window with a menu [14:40] make sure the menu is shown [14:40] unmaximize the window dragging down the panel [14:40] the menu is still visible [14:41] can you reproduce it? [14:41] andyrock: yes, and I've fixed in my local branch [14:41] as I said before... I've also some bits to upload :) [14:41] and another one :) [14:41] i don't know if it's a bur or not [14:41] however it's not related to the hacks menu, isn't it? [14:41] no... :) [14:42] btw open a un-maximized window [14:42] drag its title bar to the panel [14:42] showing the menu requires an extra movement [14:42] i don't know if it's the wanted behavior [14:43] andyrock: fixed that too. [14:43] Trevinho, great! you are too hard with me... [14:43] ehhe... JUst kidding. [14:44] but, I want to get a proper panel! [14:44] so, I'm a little worried about the multi-monitor issues. [14:44] btw you have the last unity? [14:44] njpatel: https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/845212 confirm? [14:44] Ubuntu bug 845212 in unity (Ubuntu) "Multi-display: Application menu only showing on primary screen" [Undecided,Confirmed] [14:44] andyrock: mhmh... Not exactly the latest [14:45] ok thx anyway [14:45] I'm still using a my version which includes all my new fixes. But the base is a little old [14:45] Trevinho, nope, was working fine for me :/ [14:45] njpatel: ok, thanks... Since my tests on virtualized multi-monitor (vbox) were scaring me! :) [14:49] andyrock: I'll use your chat-report to submit bugs :) [14:49] Trevinho, chat-report? [14:50] Trevinho, I need to try when I get home [14:51] andyrock: the bugs you signaled me... I'll paste your descriptions ;) [14:51] no problem... make sure you add a reference to me ;) [14:57] andyrock: the "1px" thing you changed with Cimi, needs some other changes (except the PanelIndicatorEntryView, isn't? [14:57] andyrock: if you want to submit them too, feel free to do that! :D [14:58] Trevinho, I no longer have this problem [14:58] Cimi told me that with the last light themes packages no problem should be gone away [14:59] and now i've no problem [14:59] the top panel px issue is different from the horizontal alignment [15:00] which is correctly fixed in trunk [15:00] (both are fixed I guess, I don't have any issue now) [15:00] Ok, nice. [15:01] Cimi, do you know Robert Carr? [15:01] y [15:01] not in person [15:01] andyrock: did you see the nux fix jaytaoko did to stop crashing on getting the mouse position? http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~unity-team/nux/trunk/revision/453 :P [15:01] he just joined dx [15:01] it's not here on ayatana [15:02] Trevinho, yes... [15:02] I'll meet him in orlando [15:21] Kaleo: you gave a look at the code yesterday? [15:22] Cimi: when are you going to orlando? [15:25] njpatel: we should have dash api stuff today? [15:25] Andy80: yeah, the last issue you were referring to, I am not sure how to deal with it [15:26] Kaleo: we should remove the "bitesize" tag then :P it's not trivial imho [15:28] jcastro, that's the plan, yes [15:28] Andy80: yeah :) [15:31] Trevinho: my flight it the 23rd from london gatwick [15:43] Ah, ok nice... So you'll stay there for two working weeks.... [15:43] As always, spring + UDS... [16:23] njpatel: when you test on multiscreen, please check also this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/802651 (also if I've some pending changes that should change something) [16:23] Ubuntu bug 802651 in unity (Ubuntu) "Pull panel to de-maximize window occasionally not working in a secondary screen" [Undecided,New] [16:28] Trevinho, Hi! since you are at it, interested to look into bug 836274 as well ? [16:28] Launchpad bug 836274 in unity (Ubuntu) "Pressing alt on maximized window does show menu but not window controls" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/836274 [16:28] ;) [16:30] om26er: Trevinho: we talked about that one with njpatel, we need to talk again with JohnLea about it, it seems to make no sense [16:31] didrocks, hmm, alright, though consistency with the cursor behavior makes a little sense here ;) [16:32] om26er: right, but they won't even be activable (alt would change the buttons behavior) [16:32] so need checking with all facts :) [16:33] okay :) === nhaines_ is now known as nhaines [16:56] smspillaz, I got this bug today https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nux/+bug/845743 but it says it is a dupe of a private bug [16:56] Error: Bug #845743 is a duplicate of bug #845697, but it is private (https://launchpad.net/bugs/845697) [16:56] it looks like a compiz issue, a pretty nasty crash [16:56] lets see [16:56] seems crazy that a dupe can be a dupe of a private bug [16:56] nope, not a compiz bug [16:56] a dupe of something I can't see is not useful :-)] [16:57] it just says compiz crashed because unity crashed and that took compiz with it [17:00] smspillaz, right [17:01] didrocks honestly I think that the actual status is the best... [17:02] So i agree with you I guess. [17:02] Trevinho: you guess well! :) [17:03] smspillaz: be happy that my nux hook redirect the crash to the right component :) [17:04] didrocks: oh, very glad [17:04] didrocks: except that being on dx, I still get the bugmail [17:04] smspillaz: sure, but you can filter by project! [17:04] that's what I'm doing server side [17:05] heh [17:05] hum, I smell week-end time! :-) [17:05] see you guys [17:35] smspillaz, hi, and chance this bug will be fixed before 11.10? https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/732997 [17:35] Ubuntu bug 732997 in unity "Cannot open a window that starts iconified" [Low,Confirmed] [17:37] sbte: I've fixed it locally [17:37] smspillaz, awesome [17:37] will you commit it upstream too? [17:38] smspillaz, I was *just* looking at a deja-dup issue related to that [17:39] smspillaz, I end up getting a launcher icon that won't open a window [17:39] smspillaz, can you point me at a patch to try? [17:39] sbte: yes [17:40] mterry: lp:~compiz-team/compiz-core/oneiric [17:40] smspillaz, great, then i don't have to hax around this bug in emesene [17:40] sbte: no, please don't hack around it [18:39] om26er, around? [18:40] andyrock, hey i am here [18:40] om26er, look here https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/732526 [18:40] Ubuntu bug 732526 in unity (Ubuntu) "Dash - Drag and drop app install from App Lens to Launcher is broken" [High,Confirmed] [18:41] why fix released? [18:41] you wrote: «Does not seem fixed using unity 4.14.2 here.» [18:41] andyrock, oops, sleep triage :/ [18:41] changed now [18:41] om26er, np [18:41] i cannot change a fix released bug [18:41] you know... [18:41] andyrock, :) [18:42] i'm not so power [18:42] heh. [18:45] om26er, will you be in orlando? [18:46] andyrock, i hope to be, got sponsorship but VISA is a difficult thing to get here :/ [18:47] om26er, :/ [19:23] om26er: where are you from? [19:23] Andy80, from Pakistan [19:25] these burocratics things are so stupid sometimes :\ [19:28] om26er: about bug 845325 - maybe those dupes are experiencing the bug Cimi mentioned? i'm pretty positive the commit i found causes the 1px gap with up-to-date everything. [19:28] Launchpad bug 845325 in unity (Ubuntu) "Wallpaper shows through 1px line above panel" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/845325 [19:29] htorque, something else might have caused that gap? [19:29] though i dont see it here on nvidia and intel [19:40] om26er: about that bug you linked before.... (the Alt thnig) [19:40] I guess that's is correct as it is now [19:41] Trevinho, didrocks say that needs further discussion with Johnlea [19:42] but i was thinking it to be consistent as we have when the cursor is there [19:43] yes, but there's no Alt+key to use the buttons [19:44] however... om26er bugs https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/845772 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/845774 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/838923 are linked to a branch [19:44] Ubuntu bug 845772 in unity (Ubuntu) "Showing menu of a maximized application via dragging needs an extra movement" [Low,In progress] [19:44] Ubuntu bug 845774 in unity (Ubuntu) "Restored windows dragged down from the panel still shows their menu" [Low,In progress] [19:44] Ubuntu bug 838923 in unity (Ubuntu) "Start dragging a maximized application title causes it to re-decorate" [Medium,In progress] [19:44] but the branch has not merged yet (I mean, it has been merged, but not the new fixes) [19:44] so I don't know if you've to change milestone [19:45] I mean, it's not fix committed yet... I don't know which is the best way to manage them. I'll leave this work to you om26er ;) [19:46] Trevinho, bug 838923 was half fixed wasnt it? [19:46] Launchpad bug 838923 in unity (Ubuntu) "Start dragging a maximized application title causes it to re-decorate" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/838923 [19:48] Trevinho, any words on bug 835989 [19:48] Launchpad bug 835989 in unity (Ubuntu) "Launcher - does not hide if revealed from top 24px of the left edge of the screen" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/835989 [19:48] ? [19:54] om26er: meh, i just updated nux/libunity/unity to trunk and now i'm not getting the missing pixel line :-/ will try r1521 and r1522 again. [19:55] htorque, that change btw was only related to the 'filter results' indentation it could effect very less to the panel IMO [19:57] i know, it didn't make sense to me either, but that's what i got yesterday with up-to-date light-themes: r1521 no issue, r1522 gap [19:57] om26er: bug 838923 wasn't completely fixed. [19:57] Launchpad bug 838923 in unity (Ubuntu) "Start dragging a maximized application title causes it to re-decorate" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/838923 [19:58] I just fixed the "golden effect".,... But not the redecoration thing [19:58] (or better, I've fixed it only on my private branch) [19:58] om26er: bug bug 835989 is quite hard, since the panel doesn't grab events there, I should study more that fact. [19:59] Launchpad bug 835989 in unity (Ubuntu) "Launcher - does not hide if revealed from top 24px of the left edge of the screen" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/835989 [19:59] Ok, anyway I've to go... Bye. [19:59] Trevinho, ba bye ;) [19:59] i miss you already :p === yofel_ is now known as yofel === m_conley is now known as m_conley_away === cyphermox_ is now known as cyphermox