[01:31] <bkerensa> Hi
[01:31]  * bkerensa was wondering how to go about getting some Kubuntu discs and other stuff for our loco booths?
[02:33] <valorie> hmmm, riddell is usually the one to ping about that, and I don't see him about
[02:41] <bkerensa> kk
[04:22] <ScottK> Doing kdeplasma-addons
[04:26] <ScottK> kdetoyw
[04:26] <ScottK> s
[04:33] <ScottK> Now blinken
[04:50] <ScottK> Now Cantor
[04:50] <ScottK> (starting to sound like reindeer names)
[04:57] <ScottK> Now ksnapshot (not a reindeer)
[05:01] <micahg> it's to take pictures of the reindeer packages :)
[05:08] <ScottK> Only 22 left.
[05:08] <ScottK> I think that's all I'm good for tonight.
[09:13] <bambee> morning
[11:57]  * rbelem pokes Quintasan_, debfx 
[11:58]  * debfx pokes back
[11:59] <rbelem> debfx, i think that kde-runtime buildsystem is changing one of the files that the plasma active patches changes
[12:00] <rbelem> debfx, are you working on that?
[12:01] <debfx> rbelem: no, I'm not but I'm happy to upload a fix if you have one
[12:02] <rbelem> debfx, i dont have one yet, but i will work to fix that
[12:03] <debfx> why does the build system change source files? and why does it work when building locally?
[12:03] <debfx> either quilt is more string on the archive builders or there is a bug
[12:03] <debfx> s/string/strict/
[12:03] <kubotu> debfx meant: "either quilt is more strict on the archive builders or there is a bug"
[12:04] <rbelem> :/ it works here either
[12:05] <rbelem> debfx, do you know who can we poke about that?
[12:06] <rbelem> it just built fine here :-/ and i manage to quilt pop -a after the build
[12:13] <debfx> rbelem: nope, you could add some debugging stuff and push it to a ppa
[12:14] <debfx> like calling quilt with -v
[12:14] <rbelem> debfx, hum... i didnt think about the ppa
[12:14] <rbelem> :-)
[12:14] <rbelem> nice i will do that right now
[13:03] <ScottK> Looking at kalzium.
[13:03] <ScottK> Still plenty of 4.7.1 to upload.
[13:13] <ScottK> Now kamera
[13:36] <ScottK> Now ksaneplugin
[13:50] <debfx> apachelogger: now with watch file scanning: http://felix.fobos.de/kubuntu/kubuntu-buildstatus.htm
[14:02] <ScottK> Looking at kanagram
[14:08] <ScottK> kbruch
[14:12] <ScottK> kcolorchooser
[14:20] <ScottK> kdegraphics-mobipocket
[14:23] <Sput> huh. why don't I find a file /etc/NetworkManager/VPN/nm-vpnc-service.name after installing network-manager-vpnc, even thoug dpkg -L claims the file is part of the package?
[14:29] <ScottK> Which release?
[14:32] <ScottK> cyphermox_: Any idea where network-manager-vpnc-kde went?  We seem to be missing it in oneiric.
[14:34] <ScottK> Sput: If I install the package, I have it, so no idea.
[14:35] <ScottK> kdegraphics-strigi-analyzer
[14:35] <debfx> ScottK: everything collapsed into plasma-widget-nm
[14:36] <ScottK> debfx: Then the recommends of network-manager-vpnc need updating.
[14:36] <ScottK> cyphermox_: ^^^ Can you take care of this?
[14:39] <debfx> network-manager-openvpn also needs to be updated
[14:40] <ScottK> debfx: Can you help with 4.7.1 uploading.  Still 14 to go and frankly I'm getting tired of it.
[14:42] <cyphermox_> ScottK: i saw networkmanagement dropped those, afaict
[14:42] <ScottK> cyphermox_: Can you fix the recommends then?
[14:42] <ScottK> Doing kdegraphics-thumbnailers
[14:42] <cyphermox_> ScottK: it was recommends? I thought those were build by plasma-widget-networkmanagement before
[14:43] <cyphermox_> ScottK: I can certainly look at it, will see how far I get
[14:43] <ScottK> cyphermox_: They were, buth they were recommended by network-manager-vpnc and network-manager-openvpn, so they need updating.
[14:44] <cyphermox_> oh
[14:44] <cyphermox_> I think I see what's wrong, debian didn't have these recommends so it may have been dropped
[14:46] <Riddell> hmm, all my KDE apps are crashing
[14:46] <Riddell> something about QCursor
[14:48] <ScottK> Riddell: One oneiric?
[14:48] <Riddell> on oneiric yes
[14:48] <ScottK> New Qt isn't built yet, so something KDE 4.7.1 related I'd guess.
[14:49] <cyphermox_> ScottK: network-manager-vpnc-kde is still recommended by network-manager-vpnc, but nothing provides it
[14:49] <ScottK> cyphermox_: Yes.  Exactly.  That's why n-w-vpnc should recommend p-w-nm instead.
[14:50] <cyphermox_> ok
[14:50] <ScottK> same with -openvpn
[14:50] <cyphermox_> but shouldn't p-w-nm already be installed anyway?
[14:50] <cyphermox_> (not that it changes that the recommends need updating)
[14:50] <ScottK> Yes, but if you install network-manager-vpnc as it is, it'll pull in the Gnome one.
[14:51] <ScottK> Since it's an alternate recommends.
[14:51] <cyphermox_> oh, right
[14:51] <cyphermox_> wondering if I can pull in the latest 0.9.0 tarballs at the same time
[14:52] <ScottK> I've got no opinion on that.
[14:52] <ScottK> Riddell: We've not had other reports of trouble.  Not sure what to tell you.
[14:53] <Riddell> it might be due to me playing around with my libbz2 install come to think of it, I guess kdelibs uses that somewhere
[14:53] <Riddell> installing suse libraries on an ubuntu system might make things crash
[14:57] <ScottK> That might have something to do with it.
[15:02] <ScottK> debfx: Also, it looks like you might have neglected to update bzr when you uploaded kdenetwork...
[15:04] <Sput> ScottK: yeah, dunno, I also installed the plasma widget, but the file didn't appear
[15:04] <Sput> (by now I've just copied the one installed by pptp and s/pptp/vpnc/g'd)
[15:05] <Sput> I've also installed n-m-v-kde fwiw
[15:11] <debfx> ScottK: fixed
[15:15] <Riddell> nepomuk strigi search is failing for me since KDE 4.7.0 was installed (on natty, now on oneiric), does it work for others?
[15:18] <Sput> by the way, is it possible to install a more recent kernel in kubuntu natty without breaking other things? .38 can't resume on a T410
[15:18] <Sput> at least not on mine
[15:19] <jussi> Sput: sure ie
[15:19] <jussi> is
[15:19] <jussi> I have 39 at work
[15:19] <Sput> jussi: self-compiled, or is there a PPA or something?
[15:19] <Sput> I'm new to binary distros :)
[15:20] <jussi> if you go to #ubuntu-kernel and ask nicely they will tell you the PPA location
[15:20] <Sput> k, thx
[15:20] <jussi> or wait till monday and Ill go to work and tell you
[15:20] <nigelb> jussi: 39?
[15:21] <jussi> nigelb: yeah, think so. fixes most of my x problems. DOnt actually remember.
[15:21] <jussi> Twas an RC.
[15:21] <nigelb> ah, kernel rev
[15:27] <Sput> jussi, well, just googling for "kubuntu kernel ppa" helped, I wonder why I didn't get that idea earlier :)
[15:27] <jussi> Sput: :D
[15:27] <jussi> Sput: your new to the binary ways
[15:29] <Sput> jussi: mmmh, or not. webpage claims .39 is the newest for natty, but apt-get install linux just installs .38
[15:29] <jussi> Sput: did you apt-get update ?
[15:29] <Sput> yep
[15:30] <jussi> hrm, I thought it was linux-image but I am tired and confused right now, so could be way off the beaten track
[15:31] <Sput> yeah, that's also the "newest version" with .38
[15:31] <jussi> right....
[15:32] <jussi> Riddell: !!!! :D
[15:32] <Sput> ah, the comments say that too
[15:32] <Sput> ppa:canonical-kernel-team is recommended
[15:32] <jussi> well then :)
[15:33] <Sput> meh, that too only ships .38
[15:33] <Sput> ah well :)
[15:49] <ScottK> debfx: Thanks.
[15:53] <cyphermox_> ScottK: working on the updates, vpnc is ready, but it will take a day or two to get the others done (because I'll update to 0.9.0 were required, since it fixes translatability of strings for the gnome ui bits)
[15:53] <ScottK> cyphermox_: No rush.  Just need to make sure it's fixed for release.
[15:54] <cyphermox_> yup
[16:10]  * Quintasan looks at kwordquiz
[16:15] <CIA-130> [kwordquiz] Michal Zajac * 6 * debian/changelog releasing version 4:4.7.1-0ubuntu1
[16:18]  * ScottK goes for kross-interpreters
[16:25] <rbelem> debfx, https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-active/+archive/ppa/+packages
[16:25] <rbelem> Quintasan, ^
[16:26] <rbelem> it failed in amd64 o.O
[16:27] <rbelem> but worked with i386
[16:29] <rbelem> wierd
[16:29]  * rbelem goes to lunch
[16:45] <muntiKubu> why is krita dependent on kspread?
[16:46] <muntiKubu> seems redundant if I have libreoffice?
[16:47] <muntiKubu> if ever it needs a spreadsheet? which makes no sense
[16:48] <ScottK> rbelem, Quintasan, debfx: lamont suggest trying to build locally using the sbuild in use on the buildds: bzr branch lp:~lamont/launchpad-buildd/chroot-scripts; chroot-scripts/make-chroot.sh -d oneiric --lp
[16:51] <ScottK> muntiKubu: We really haven't done much with koffice this cycle.  We're mostly waiting for Calligra to have a release.
[16:53] <muntiKubu> ScottK: I just want krita not kspread
[16:53] <ScottK> I don't know enough about koffice myself to know if there's a good reason for it to be that way or not.
[16:55] <muntiKubu> ScottK never mind, thanks anyway, 
[17:03] <apachelogger> Riddell, ScottK: do you have insight if we have someone from upstream Qt and KDE attend UDS? other than alex that is
[17:03] <ScottK> I don't.
[17:06] <afiestas> apachelogger: I'm not good enough for you?
[17:06] <afiestas> u.U
[17:06] <apachelogger> :O
[17:06]  * apachelogger touches afiestas inappropriately to demonstrate his love
[17:08] <apachelogger> afiestas: I was just thinking ... if no other upstream has announced their attendance yet, we should identify a topic that should act as primary "theme" for UDS and invite someone from upstream who works on related stuff
[17:08] <ScottK> rbelem: I would try uploading another package to your PPA.  This time swap around the series files so the active patches are used on the first build and the base set of patches is used on the second.
[17:08] <apachelogger> like last uds it would have been good to have one of the active consiprer on site to give them a beatin etc ^^
[17:08] <afiestas> well rbelem is comming too
[17:08] <afiestas> I consider him upstream too :p
[17:09] <apachelogger> no one considers me upstream
[17:09]  * apachelogger waves fist
[17:11] <afiestas> last uds we had an active developer ? who?
[17:11] <apachelogger> no
[17:11] <apachelogger> it would have been cool if we had one
[17:28] <ScottK> afiestas: You were our Active expert.
[17:30] <afiestas> ScottK: well expert... I did what I could xD
[17:30] <ScottK> afiestas: You did great.
[17:30] <afiestas> though if you find Active important I can prepare myself better this time
[17:30] <ScottK> Now if rbelem can just make kde-runtime build we could have something ...
[17:30] <ScottK> I think we do.
[17:31] <afiestas> Is Kubuntu tablet going to be released with 11.10 ?
[17:32] <ScottK> Depends on rbelem fixing -runtime.
[17:32] <ScottK> (No pressure)
[17:32] <apachelogger> and ScottK making someone do the image :P
[17:32] <ScottK> Sure.
[17:32] <apachelogger> ScottK: what is broken with runtime?
[17:32] <ScottK> apachelogger: FTBFS.  Weird patching problem.
[17:32]  * apachelogger has a serious concern about all the versions we are supposed to maintain
[17:32] <apachelogger> ScottK: meh
[17:32] <afiestas> what's wrong with runtime?
[17:33] <ScottK> See the build log.  It's very mysterious (and not related to the upstream code) https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-runtime/4:4.7.1-0ubuntu1/+build/2773959/+files/buildlog_ubuntu-oneiric-i386.kde-runtime_4%3A4.7.1-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[17:33] <afiestas> rolf, quassel sent the last 5 msg in a row
[17:35] <afiestas> ScottK: can't find the error in there
[17:35] <afiestas> runtime seems to be installing stuff?
[17:36] <ScottK> It's some kind of weird patch issue.
[17:36] <ScottK> It works fine locally which is why it's hard to figure out.
[17:38] <afiestas> ScottK: what is FTBFS?
[17:38] <ScottK> failed to build from source.
[17:38] <afiestas> from where can I get a list of patches for that kde-runtime?
[17:39] <afiestas> iirc active is using a "forked" kde-runtime isn't it?
[17:39] <ScottK> It is.
[17:39] <ScottK> So we build once with regular runtime and then build again with the active patches.
[17:40] <ScottK> afiestas: Are you on Kubuntu and if so, which release?
[17:41] <afiestas> ScottK: I'm not but I'm already downloading beta1
[17:41] <ScottK> Once you're on that, apt-get source kde-runtime will get you this package.
[17:42] <afiestas> woudn't be better to have kde-runtime-active or something like that?
[17:45] <debfx> yeah adding a kde-runtime-active source package with the same upstream tarball would be a good workaround :)
[17:48] <debfx> and would also rule out the possibility that active patches leak into the non-active package
[17:50] <ScottK> I had a hunch about it which I just uploaded to my PPA.
[17:50] <ScottK> We should know in a bit if I was right.
[17:56] <afiestas> in theory, kubuntu will be updating to minor versions right?
[17:56] <ScottK> Yes.
[17:56] <afiestas> I pushed a couple of important patches that will be released with 4.7.2
[17:56] <afiestas> one of them basically makes "INotify" work for KDE
[17:56] <afiestas> (makes KDirWatch work in Kernel 3.0)
[17:57] <apachelogger> oh, it was broken?
[17:57] <apachelogger> afiestas: oneiric ought to ship with .2 IIRC
[17:58] <afiestas> apachelogger: it was unless your kernel is named 3.0.0
[17:58] <afiestas> if it is 3.0, then it was
[17:58] <apachelogger> ic
[17:59] <debfx> apachelogger: .2 release is after FinalFreeze
[17:59] <apachelogger> who made up that ridiciolous schedule?
[18:01] <afiestas> then you may want to backport those 2 patches I'm talking about
[18:01] <afiestas> let me check the commits
[18:02] <ScottK> apachelogger: No.  It'll ship with .1
[18:02] <ScottK> We just miss.
[18:02] <apachelogger> not even if we upload after tagging?
[18:03] <ScottK> No.
[18:03] <afiestas> kde-runtime: b50bbd77572a2e20709fbb40274aface8314b4eb and d769c74a5cab576e124666174a0b2bc5e2af8cde
[18:03] <afiestas> kdelibs: 7df5a79fb9f09e4a4a80cd541cc478b5fa6df00f
[18:03] <ScottK> We might upload to -proposed before release.
[18:03] <afiestas> they both are quite annoying
[18:03] <ScottK> yofel_: ^^^ can you cherrypick those and commit them in bzr?
[18:03] <apachelogger> ScottK: that'd be an option
[18:04] <ScottK> Someone should upload 4.6.5 to natt-proposed.
[18:05] <afiestas> o cool kubuntu images are now hybrid
[18:05]  * afiestas happy :D
[18:05] <apachelogger> hybrid of what?
[18:06] <afiestas> usb/cd
[18:06] <afiestas> dd is enough to put them in a usb
[18:06] <apachelogger> ah
[18:20] <ScottK> OK.  It's a quilt/dh_quilt problem.
[18:21] <rbelem> afiestas, :-D
[18:22] <rbelem> ScottK, do you have an idea what the runtime problem could be?
[18:22] <ScottK> It's not the patch.  See my ppa.  I shifted it around and it failed on a different patch.
[18:23] <rbelem> ScottK, same on my ppa
[18:23] <rbelem> o.O weird
[18:23] <debfx> rbelem, ScottK: so what do you think about separating the kde-runtime/-active source packages?
[18:24] <ScottK> Give me a few minutes here.
[18:24] <ScottK> I think I might have a solution.
[18:24] <ScottK> I agree that's a good fallback.
[18:24]  * rbelem nods
[18:38]  * afiestas going to install kubuntu beta, and then going jogging
[18:44] <ScottK> Uploaded another try to my PPA.
[19:14] <afiestas> always surprised to see how well and fast kubuntu installs :)
[19:27]  * rbelem pokes ScottK 
[19:28] <ScottK> rbelem: It's trying to do the build twice https://launchpadlibrarian.net/79453330/buildlog_ubuntu-oneiric-amd64.kde-runtime_4%3A4.7.1-0ubuntu1%2Bppa2_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[19:28] <ScottK> That's why the patching fails, I think.
[19:31] <ScottK> I think I have it figured.
[19:35] <Riddell> apachelogger: fregl maybe?
[19:39]  * rbelem looks
[19:41] <rbelem> ScottK, so we just need to remove from the series-active the patches that are alrady applied?
[19:42] <ScottK> I think I got it.
[19:42] <ScottK> Give me just a moment.
[19:42] <rbelem> oki
[19:45] <ScottK> rbelem: Keep an eye on my PPA. Gotta run
[19:48] <rbelem> ScottK, oki :-)
[20:18] <debfx> ScottK: I think it would be more sane to just collapse dh_auto_{configure,build,install} into one
[20:21] <bulldog98> ScottK: I’m sorry, but I can’t do testing, my graphics card (main pc) went away I think, but I’m not entirly sure
[20:48] <rbelem> debfx, ScottK, yeeepeee :-D it worked
[20:48] <ScottK> debfx: Today I'll settle for working, but feel free to improve it.
[20:53]  * rbelem packs his stuff to go home
[20:54] <ScottK> It would be nice to figure out why it builds twice.
[20:55] <yofel> ScottK: I can take a look at the kdelibs part, but I would prefer whoever is working on runtime currenty to look at the others
[21:08] <CIA-130> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kdelibs] Philip Muškovac * 378 * debian/ (3 files in 2 dirs) Import upstream commit 7df5a79fb9f09e4a4a80cd541cc478b5fa6df00f as kubuntu_fix-kdirwatch-when-using-kernel-3.0.diff to fix the version checking for INotify.
[21:49] <afiestas> hey, testing some of the basics in 11.10 I'm having some problems
[21:49] <afiestas> the software center takes a few seconds to start, and when it does it is empty for some more seconds
[21:50] <afiestas> also, I added the spotify repo via GUI and somehow it was not added well, I had to remove it from sources and add it again
[21:50] <afiestas> also, I don find a way to update the system
[21:52]  * micahg wishes qt4-x11 behaved with -jX
[22:08]  * rbelem pokes afiestas 
[22:13] <afiestas> rbelem: yay
[22:14] <rbelem> afiestas, i made some code
[22:14] <rbelem> afiestas, could you take a look on that?
[22:14] <afiestas> rbelem: right now I'm using 4.7 stable so can't test it
[22:14] <afiestas> though yes, I can take a look at the code
[22:15] <rbelem> afiestas, oki
[22:15] <rbelem> afiestas, you can install project neon later
[22:15] <rbelem> afiestas, i'm using that as development and test environment 
[22:16] <afiestas> I'd like to build stuff myself 
[22:16] <afiestas> though considering how fast kubuntu 11.10 runs... I'm thinking on sticking with 4.7.1 for a while xd
[22:17] <rbelem> afiestas, :-)
[22:20] <ScottK> afiestas: The slow start/empty index is known.  I think a fix is planned.
[22:20] <ScottK> micahg: It does, doesn't it?
[22:21] <ScottK> OK.  In the absence of someone else uploading -runtime, I'm doing it now.
[22:22]  * rbelem hugs ScottK
[22:22] <rbelem> :-D
[22:25] <BarkingFish> Evening guys
[22:25] <BarkingFish> yofel, are you free for a sec?  
[22:25] <yofel> BarkingFish: yep
[22:25] <BarkingFish> wicked
[22:25] <BarkingFish> Thanks 
[22:27] <BarkingFish> You suggested with regards to this issue with pull-*-source that I should file it as a bug?  My question's been turned into one, and Stefano Rivera has uploaded a version for me to try.  It's on a bazaar branch, and I don't know how to check it out to test it.
[22:27] <BarkingFish> https://code.launchpad.net/~stefanor/ubuntu-dev-tools/progressbar-845787
[22:28] <BarkingFish> Could you help me with getting the branch so I can see whether it's quiet enough to solve the issue please?
[22:29] <yofel> looking
[22:30] <yofel> BarkingFish: start with 'bzr co lp:~stefanor/ubuntu-dev-tools/progressbar-845787'
[22:31] <BarkingFish> ok, it's doing that now.  Is this similar to svn?
[22:31] <rbelem> ScottK, tomorrow i will push the plasma-mobile and s-l-c changes :-)
[22:32] <yofel> co does the same thing as in svn
[22:32] <BarkingFish> ok, looks like it's finished
[22:32] <yofel> and creates a bound branch (you don't have commit rights for this branch though)
[22:33] <BarkingFish> no
[22:33] <BarkingFish> only stefano does
[22:34] <BarkingFish> right, I've got a folder now, progressbar-845787 - what do I do next? Do i have to build it?
[22:34] <yofel> you don't, it's python
[22:34] <BarkingFish> 0.0
[22:34] <yofel> BarkingFish: sudo cp progressbar-845787/ubuntutools/archive.py /usr/share/pyshared/ubuntutools/archive.py
[22:35] <yofel> should be enough
[22:35] <yofel> BarkingFish: python is an intepreted language, nothing to compile. (Although modules do get compiled at first run)
[22:35] <BarkingFish> right, well that revision is failing to work.
[22:36] <BarkingFish> I'll pastebin out what it's saying, looks like a bug in the python
[22:36] <yofel> hm, WFM actually
[22:36] <BarkingFish> http://paste.ubuntu.com/686159/
[22:37] <yofel> BarkingFish: are you on natty or oneiric?
[22:37] <BarkingFish> natty
[22:38] <yofel> ah, that'll be the problem then, devscripts and ubuntu-dev-tools too old
[22:38] <yofel> the progressbar works fine here though
[22:38] <BarkingFish> no more periods infesting the screen like roaches in a dive bar?
[22:39] <yofel> nope, only a progressbar for the files that get downloaded, which vanishes after they're done
[22:42] <afiestas> ScottK: yofel the KDirPatch is not needed since Kubuntu has 3.0.0 as kernel
[22:42] <afiestas> instead of 3.0
[22:42] <afiestas> a lot of distributions did that to avoid problems like the one in KDirWatch
[23:00] <micahg> ScottK: I remember last time I tried I had issues
[23:03] <BarkingFish> yofel - that revision is wonderful! I'm in pm with tumbleweed (stefano) right now, and i've asked him to merge it in, he's just waiting on acknowledgement from the other person who works on ubuntu dev tools
[23:05] <ScottK> afiestas: It doesn't hurt anything does it?
[23:06] <ScottK> micahg: I build it -j5 with 4 armel boxes using icecc in about 12 hours.
[23:06] <ScottK> BarkingFish: plee-the-bear is not as bad off as you think.
[23:06] <micahg> ah, ok, will try it again, maybe it was the space issue last time (it's nice to build it in RAM :))
[23:07] <BarkingFish> it looked like it here, I had errors living inside errors on top of the apartments built on those errors, ScottK - it looked like a lost cause here.
[23:08] <ScottK> BarkingFish: Look at Upstream svn revison 4656 - it's on sourceforge.
[23:09] <ScottK> It doesn't apply cleanly to our version, but it ought to be enough to get you started.
[23:09] <afiestas> ScottK: it should not
[23:09] <ScottK> Thanks
[23:09] <ScottK> BarkingFish: There is also the start of a patch in the Debian BTS.
[23:11] <BarkingFish> ok, i'll have a peek in a few moments.
[23:16]  * yofel is off to bed, good night
[23:18] <BarkingFish> night yofel - see you later tonight.
[23:31] <ScottK> OK, test building runtime with afiestas' cherrypicks ...
[23:59] <ScottK> apachelogger: Did shadeslayer finish with prepping qtwebkit before he ran off?
[23:59] <ScottK> Nooooooo!
[23:59] <ScottK> collect2: ld terminated with signal 11 [Segmentation fault]