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| twb | lilstevie: I bought a TF101 (yaaaay!) Should I update to the latest android firmware before attempting to switch it to debian? | 07:51 |
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| lilstevie | twb: probably not :p you will end up blowing away everything on the fs and need to redo that stuff anyway | 08:19 |
| twb | $coworker said he thought it might have important fixes for the keyboard part or something | 08:21 |
| twb | (He bought a 16G one from RUC a few months ago, and followed your stuff to put Ubuntu on it last week.) | 08:21 |
| lilstevie | well are you going pure linux, or dualboot | 08:22 |
| twb | I don't care about android | 08:22 |
| lilstevie | cause things like prime include dock firmware updates | 08:22 |
| twb | Yeah, I think he is running prime | 08:22 |
| lilstevie | to be honest dock firmware updates really are to benefit android | 08:23 |
| twb | I mean MAYBE it'd be useful to not blow away android on day one, but I kinda doubt I'll ever use it | 08:23 |
| twb | It's not like I ever used windows or vxworks on my netbooks and routers | 08:23 |
| * twb thinks -- I probably shouldn't be drinking either | 08:24 | |
| lilstevie | heh, I don't have android on my device | 08:27 |
| twb | Good man | 08:28 |
| twb | Bleh, I forgot I have to get pppd working with this 3G dongle before I'm allowed to play with my transformer | 08:41 |
| lilstevie | lol | 08:41 |
| soren | I have a Pandaboard rev A3. http://www.omappedia.org/wiki/Prebuilt_ubuntu_binaries only mentions up to A2. What to do? | 08:43 |
| lilstevie | soren: it doesn't really matter | 08:49 |
| soren | Ok. | 08:50 |
| lilstevie | soren: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/OmapNetbook only has one image | 08:50 |
| lilstevie | and the only difference between the A2 and A3 is the CPU has been updated for ES2.2 | 08:51 |
| soren | I'm installing the headless image on an SD card right now. I don't have a serial cable handy. I don't suppose that image comes with any sort of networked access (ssh or even telnet)? | 08:54 |
| lilstevie | that I don't know I don't have a panda, nor have I used the headless image before | 08:56 |
| soren | Ok. | 08:58 |
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| twb | OK, got the 3g doodad working, back to transformer | 09:58 |
| * twb digs up pile of napkins from last week when we were talking about this | 09:58 | |
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| twb | OK, so step #1 of flashing it is to find a copy of the nvflash ELF binary that can be trusted, i.e. download it myself from nvidia.com rather than "some forum post" | 10:07 |
| twb | Is that achievable? AIUI it's only available bundled in their dev board SDK, but I'm happy to download 200MB of zip file to get a trusted version of that one binary. | 10:07 |
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| lilstevie | twb: it is in the L4T pack | 10:15 |
| lilstevie | which isn't that big | 10:15 |
| twb | Do you have the exact URL on you? | 10:15 |
| twb | Otherwise I'll wade through their search page | 10:15 |
| twb | FFS, all the ddg.gg hits are 404d | 10:18 |
| lilstevie | http://tegradeveloper.nvidia.com/content/linux-tegra-release-12-alpha-1-released | 10:18 |
| twb | ty | 10:18 |
| lilstevie | driver package has nvflash binary | 10:18 |
| twb | Man, 10MB, why do all these forum weenies keep reposting it | 10:20 |
| twb | It's like those bt users who put a bunch of .rar's in another rar | 10:21 |
| ogra_ | there is a deb of that driver (not sure it will work on your kernel thrugh) | 10:21 |
| ogra_ | https://launchpad.net/~ac100/+archive/ppa | 10:22 |
| twb | Well, eventually I'd like to run stock Debian armhf kernel with as few device-specific patches as possible, but for now I was just going to git clone lilstevie's tegralinux one and compile that | 10:23 |
| lilstevie | twb: well I begrudgingly package it, if I didn't I would have a bunch of people continually complaining that my pack doesn't work | 10:23 |
| lilstevie | twb: which one, my repo has 2 :) | 10:24 |
| lilstevie | one is L4T driver compatible but only works with u-boot | 10:24 |
| twb | Dunno, I was gonna ask you once I was confident I had nvflash working and metastrap was chugging away building a btrfs debian sid armhf rootfs :P | 10:24 |
| twb | Oh, I can replace the bootloader with uboot? | 10:24 |
| * twb like uboot | 10:24 | |
| lilstevie | yes, but u-boot is in its infancy | 10:25 |
| twb | Meaning that it isn't production-ready for this device? | 10:25 |
| lilstevie | it is missing some stuff :p | 10:26 |
| twb | I mean, I'd like to minimize my use of non-free software, but at the same time I don't want to brick it or not be able to e.g. use the screen | 10:26 |
| lilstevie | APX is always there | 10:27 |
| twb | That's the stage 1 bootloader? | 10:27 |
| lilstevie | bootrom | 10:27 |
| lilstevie | stage0 | 10:27 |
| twb | OK | 10:27 |
| twb | It would be nice if I could interactively pick which kernel to boot and whether to pass "single" to it, but I'm assuming that's... nontrivial at the moment. | 10:28 |
| lilstevie | well you could do that with the standard bootloader | 10:29 |
| twb | Oh, OK. I thought that only had two options "normal boot" and "recovery boot" | 10:29 |
| lilstevie | by adding single to the recovery kernel :p | 10:29 |
| twb | Yeah, that's plan B | 10:29 |
| twb | two kernels plus single vs. no single means four cases not two :P | 10:30 |
| lilstevie | if we can get the GPIO driver to co-operate with u-boot it would be trivial | 10:30 |
| lilstevie | but at the moment it is non-functional | 10:30 |
| twb | OK | 10:30 |
| twb | That ac100 PPA has a main and restricted in pool/, but only a main in dists/. | 10:30 |
| lilstevie | ogra_: doing 'dhclient -r;dhclient wlan0' seems to add the route, RE: network manager not setting the default route for me in oneiric | 10:32 |
| ogra_ | weird | 10:33 |
| ogra_ | did you file an NM bug ? | 10:33 |
| lilstevie | not yet | 10:33 |
| lilstevie | was about to do that, only hit me today to try renew the lease | 10:33 |
| lilstevie | renewing* | 10:34 |
| ogra_ | twb, go to the package details,. thats a launchpad bug (the package has "restricted" in the control file, LP doesnt really have a concept for restricted packages) | 10:45 |
| twb | OK | 10:46 |
| twb | was just mentioning it fyi | 10:46 |
| ogra_ | yeah, its known :( | 10:47 |
| ogra_ | for the P release we will hopefully have the driver in the actual archive :( | 10:47 |
| ogra_ | err | 10:47 |
| ogra_ | :) | 10:47 |
| twb | lilstevie: awesome, that version of nvflash is 1) statically linked; and 2) has --help. Much nicer than "doesn't run at all" old version from <wherever> that I was looking at last time | 10:48 |
| twb | (static linking = works without a 32-bit userland) | 10:48 |
| lilstevie | twb: hmm, well the one in my package is from that dump | 10:49 |
| lilstevie | the other one floating around is the asus one | 10:50 |
| twb | OK, this is weird | 11:00 |
| twb | I connect the keyboard (dock) 40-pin connector to my laptop, and lsusb can see two devices on it -- both ASUS vendor USB ID, one is a broadcom bluetooth device | 11:00 |
| lilstevie | interesting | 11:02 |
| twb | Ah, nm | 11:03 |
| twb | the bluetooth is just the onboard bluetooth in my netbook | 11:03 |
| twb | Gods, that 40pin cable is flimsy | 11:04 |
| twb | OK, why isn't this working? | 11:11 |
| twb | http://paste.debian.net/128994/ | 11:11 |
| twb | Running nvflash as root seems like the coward's way out; I'd rather just have udev make the tf world-writable or so. | 11:12 |
| ogra_ | i think nvflash uses raw device access, you need root | 11:15 |
| twb | Surely if I have write access to /dev/foo, that is "raw device access" | 11:15 |
| twb | The only related superuser capability I can see is CAP_SYS_RAWIO | 11:17 |
| twb | And that looks to be for something else | 11:17 |
| ogra_ | well, i havent seen anyone getting nvflash to work without root in the 1.5 years i work with nvflash :) | 11:17 |
| ogra_ | if yuo find a way, tell me :) | 11:17 |
| twb | OK, I did this | 11:18 |
| twb | chgrp -Rh twb /dev/bus/usb/* | 11:18 |
| twb | Now I get a different error | 11:18 |
| twb | USB device not found255 | 11:18 |
| ogra_ | intresting | 11:18 |
| twb | Maybe I need to plug the 40pin into the table directly instead of the dock? | 11:18 |
| * ogra_ never had to modify anything to flash his ac100 | 11:18 | |
| twb | btw same error running it as root | 11:19 |
| ogra_ | plugging and running nvflash just works | 11:19 |
| twb | ogra_: running as root I bet tho | 11:19 |
| ogra_ | indeed | 11:19 |
| twb | I try to be a bit paranoid :P | 11:19 |
| ogra_ | i only use nvflash for new ac100's anyway though | 11:19 |
| ogra_ | after the first flashing i can flash from userspace | 11:19 |
| twb | yeah openwrt is like that too | 11:20 |
| twb | lilstevie: do I need to do something special to put the TF into guest most? | 11:21 |
| twb | *mode | 11:21 |
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| twb | hmm, there is some little "asus sync" thing on the tf's screen | 11:22 |
| twb | ANd another "usb debugging connected" | 11:23 |
| twb | Grmph, I'm not having any joy getting nvflash to see it | 11:41 |
| twb | Maybe I should read the docs more than just --help | 11:41 |
| twb | Hmm, gentoo's tegra2 page says "To power on the board, you need to press *BOTH* the Force Recovery and the Power on buttons until the LEDs power up. Then execute the following command to flash the bootloader." | 11:44 |
| twb | OK, booting while holding the volume down gives "safe mode" | 11:46 |
| lilstevie | ok back | 11:46 |
| lilstevie | sorry disconnected for a sec | 11:46 |
| twb | lilstevie: short version: I'm trying to make "./nvflash --getbct" do something useful | 11:47 |
| lilstevie | you should get error 0x4 if you invoke nvflash like that :p | 11:47 |
| twb | Hum | 11:47 |
| lilstevie | yeah you cant | 11:47 |
| lilstevie | the tf is an SBK locked device | 11:47 |
| lilstevie | you need to use the --sbk option | 11:47 |
| lilstevie | and with that you also need to specify --bl --bct and --config | 11:48 |
| twb | lilstevie: first of all, do I need to do anything on the TF to put it into "upgrade mode" or anything? | 11:48 |
| lilstevie | vol up plus power on boot will put it in APX | 11:49 |
| twb | OK | 11:49 |
| twb | And I need to do that? | 11:49 |
| lilstevie | need to do which? | 11:50 |
| lilstevie | put the tablet in APX? | 11:50 |
| twb | Do I need to put it into APX mode to use nvflash | 11:50 |
| lilstevie | yes | 11:50 |
| twb | OK. | 11:51 |
| lilstevie | nvflash is for communicating with apx | 11:51 |
| twb | goddammit, now it isn't turning on at all | 11:53 |
| twb | ok here we go | 11:54 |
| twb | It seems like from off I can't just hold both vol+ and power and have it boot | 11:55 |
| twb | Do i get any visual feedback when it goes into APX? | 11:56 |
| twb | Aha | 11:58 |
| twb | Answer is no, the screen is off, but lsusb suddenly sees an nvidia device | 11:58 |
| twb | Progress | 11:59 |
| twb | ogra_: you can use nvflash as non-root user provided you have write access to the block device. | 11:59 |
| ogra_ | which you usually dont :) | 12:00 |
| twb | ogra_: but what this means is that you wrie a udev rule to say something like GROUP=disk | 12:00 |
| ogra_ | eeek | 12:00 |
| twb | Then instead of running it as root, you run it as a non-root user who is in the disk group | 12:00 |
| ogra_ | thats more of a security hole than using root | 12:00 |
| twb | Yes, well, you know what I mean. | 12:01 |
| ogra_ | the disk group should never be used for users | 12:01 |
| twb | If you want use polkit or something to hand it to the user on the local screen or whatever | 12:01 |
| * ogra_ -> off for a phone conf | 12:01 | |
| twb | np | 12:01 |
| lilstevie | later ogra_ | 12:01 |
| twb | lsusb can't see it anymore after doing that bct (which did finally fail with error 4) | 12:02 |
| lilstevie | yep that is cause of SBK | 12:02 |
| lilstevie | error 0x4 is when the command is invalid | 12:02 |
| twb | Does it quit APX on the first command, or the first bad command? | 12:03 |
| lilstevie | which in the case of these SBK locked devices that means the command is incorrectly encrypted | 12:03 |
| lilstevie | it shuts down USB communication, only on incorrect bootrom commands | 12:04 |
| twb | OK | 12:04 |
| lilstevie | but when you use an SBK locked device you need to upload the miniloader (built in to nvflash) and bootloader to get interactive | 12:04 |
| lilstevie | at which point commands are no longer encrypted anyway | 12:05 |
| twb | OK, the SBK in your forum post (ending in 98) works for me, yay. | 12:05 |
| lilstevie | awesome :D | 12:05 |
| twb | So now I have a working nvflash I need to learn how to use it. | 12:06 |
| twb | First goal is to make a complete dump of all the data on there to begin with, just in case I ever want to put it back | 12:06 |
| lilstevie | ok, well best thing is to pass it create, and just configure the flash config | 12:06 |
| lilstevie | ok ./nvflash -r --download <partition ID> <filename> | 12:06 |
| twb | Shouldn't I get the partition table first? :-) I don't know /a priori/ what partition IDs there are | 12:07 |
| lilstevie | well you could do that :p | 12:08 |
| lilstevie | but why reinvent the wheel | 12:08 |
| lilstevie | http://androidroot.mobi/2011/06/13/nvflash-on-asus-transformer/ | 12:08 |
| twb | Because I trust a dump I make myself more than "what some guy told me" | 12:09 |
| twb | Same reason I wanted to get nvflash direct from nvidia.com | 12:09 |
| twb | (No offense intended, I'm just a paranoid sysadmin.) | 12:09 |
| lilstevie | nono I mean for flash.cfg and bct | 12:09 |
| twb | So presumably you can't just say "nvflash, please fetch flash.cfg and bct from my device, and write it to a file" ? | 12:10 |
| lilstevie | no | 12:10 |
| lilstevie | what you get is a basic information | 12:10 |
| twb | OK, then I fall back to plan B, which is using the prepared version you linked to :-) | 12:10 |
| lilstevie | which you then need to work on | 12:10 |
| lilstevie | and bct is something that is not really easy to get :p | 12:11 |
| lilstevie | on device it is encrypted | 12:11 |
| twb | Yeah but symmetrically -- you have the shared secret :-P | 12:11 |
| lilstevie | yeah | 12:11 |
| lilstevie | :p | 12:11 |
| twb | Also this is the 32GB version -- does that matter? | 12:11 |
| lilstevie | no | 12:12 |
| twb | Phew | 12:12 |
| lilstevie | flash.cfg is universal | 12:12 |
| twb | Does it matter for bct? | 12:12 |
| lilstevie | the 0x808 partition ID fills to end of partition | 12:12 |
| twb | OK, awesome | 12:12 |
| lilstevie | and no bct is config data for the tegra2 cpu not the emmc controller | 12:12 |
| twb | Ooooh right | 12:13 |
| lilstevie | and er, partition attribute to end of flash* | 12:13 |
| twb | I am used to in uboot sheevaplug where IIRC your "partition table" is basically half a dozen disk offsets and to boot you say "jump to block XXX of the MTD and start executing whatever you find there" | 12:14 |
| twb | I thought bct was that stuff | 12:14 |
| lilstevie | ah | 12:14 |
| twb | afk getting caffeine | 12:14 |
| twb | thanks for all your help btw | 12:14 |
| lilstevie | on sheeva bct is in the SPI IIRC | 12:14 |
| lilstevie | cya | 12:15 |
| twb | back | 12:18 |
| lilstevie | heh that was quick :p | 12:18 |
| twb | got a coffee machine in the office | 12:19 |
| lilstevie | ah | 12:20 |
| twb | Ah, OK, I got bct mixed up with these .cfg files in your linux-flash-kit.tar.gz | 12:20 |
| lilstevie | yeah the cfg files are the partition | 12:22 |
| twb | Is flash/default.cfg the flash.cfg that matches a brand new tf? | 12:22 |
| lilstevie | yes | 12:22 |
| twb | You know, it just occurred to me that if nvflash wants to write to a file instead of stdout, I won't have space to write it on my netbook | 12:23 |
| twb | I was planning more like dd if=/dev/sda1 | gzip >sda1.orig.gz | 12:23 |
| lilstevie | nvflash normally writes out to stdout | 12:23 |
| twb | Cool | 12:23 |
| lilstevie | oh wait you mean for the backups? | 12:23 |
| twb | Yeah | 12:24 |
| twb | e.g. --getbct wants me to provide --bct-file or so | 12:24 |
| lilstevie | the partition with UDA is the emmc | 12:24 |
| twb | OK | 12:24 |
| lilstevie | well, the "emmc to android" | 12:24 |
| lilstevie | the rest of your backup isn't that big | 12:25 |
| twb | OK | 12:25 |
| lilstevie | don't need to back up PT, USP | 12:26 |
| lilstevie | PT is generated at nvflash --create | 12:26 |
| lilstevie | USP is the "staging" partition that blobs are written to from android | 12:26 |
| lilstevie | for OTA updates | 12:27 |
| twb | Is android using ext3 or 4? | 12:27 |
| lilstevie | ext4 | 12:27 |
| twb | Because default.cfg says 3, but the licenses page in android on the device, says ext4 | 12:27 |
| twb | OK | 12:27 |
| lilstevie | it is ext3 for nvflash | 12:28 |
| lilstevie | because nvflash doesn't know or understand the difference | 12:28 |
| twb | Yeah, I guess nvflash doesn't distinguish. | 12:28 |
| twb | Wish I knew what it actually did different for "ext3" vs "basic" | 12:28 |
| twb | What lives in MSC? | 12:28 |
| lilstevie | tags | 12:29 |
| lilstevie | as for ext3 vs basic | 12:29 |
| lilstevie | it writes it differently | 12:29 |
| lilstevie | basic just does a 1:1 raw write | 12:29 |
| lilstevie | but MSC I guess really does not need to be backed up either | 12:29 |
| twb | Whereas ext3 only writes active blocks? | 12:30 |
| lilstevie | something like that yeah :) | 12:30 |
| twb | Yeah, cool. | 12:30 |
| lilstevie | still takes a full image, but only writes the ones that have content | 12:30 |
| twb | Even if I completely hose the UDA partition, I can still drop into APX and upload a new one, right? | 12:30 |
| twb | Because I plan to use btrfs :-) | 12:30 |
| lilstevie | even easier | 12:30 |
| lilstevie | :p | 12:30 |
| lilstevie | UDA is "User DAra" | 12:30 |
| twb | haha | 12:31 |
| lilstevie | so like in android, drop to CWM and do a factory reset | 12:31 |
| lilstevie | :) | 12:31 |
| twb | "honolabaru data-san" | 12:31 |
| twb | CWM is the rescue partition? | 12:32 |
| twb | Like, the rescue mode uses a completelt separate root= filesystem? | 12:32 |
| lilstevie | CWM is Clockwork Recovery Mod | 12:32 |
| lilstevie | android recovery doesn't use a root= perse | 12:32 |
| lilstevie | per se* | 12:32 |
| lilstevie | the initrd is / | 12:33 |
| lilstevie | and things like /system get mounted atop it | 12:33 |
| lilstevie | android doesn't pivot_root | 12:33 |
| twb | Christ, that's... unnervin | 12:33 |
| twb | I mean I work with some elaborate initramfs's, but nothing like android or splashtop | 12:34 |
| lilstevie | well android has its base set of tools in the initrd as well as the init info | 12:35 |
| lilstevie | but the android system itself gets mounted into /system | 12:35 |
| lilstevie | I certainly don't consider it "normal" | 12:35 |
| twb | Silly embedded devs :P | 12:36 |
| lilstevie | heh | 12:36 |
| lilstevie | the bootimg is really just a zImage squished up with an initrd, + a custom header with some information for the bootloader | 12:37 |
| twb | Yeah, that's how devicevm does it for their splashtop images, too | 12:38 |
| lilstevie | not all android devices follow that though | 12:38 |
| lilstevie | samsung don't | 12:38 |
| twb | When you compile the kernel you can even say "my ramdisk is that dir over there, tack it onto the end of the zimage" | 12:38 |
| lilstevie | they use an initramfs compiled when you compile the kernel | 12:39 |
| lilstevie | using the proper zImage packing method | 12:39 |
| lilstevie | because they use a partition called params | 12:39 |
| lilstevie | samsung use a u-boot based bootloader though | 12:39 |
| twb | So: ASUS are doing it wrong, film at 11 | 12:40 |
| lilstevie | param.lfs is an j4fs filesystem with a param.blk which acts as nvram | 12:40 |
| twb | At least it's not using a damn graphical EFI BIOS like these new x86-64 motherboards I got last week | 12:40 |
| lilstevie | heh | 12:40 |
| lilstevie | I'm used to EFI tbh | 12:40 |
| lilstevie | all my computers have EFI | 12:41 |
| lilstevie | well AppleEFI | 12:41 |
| twb | "Sorry, we only support huge yelling bouncing icons, not text. This way is TEH FUTURE" | 12:41 |
| twb | I am referring to MSI ClickBIOS | 12:41 |
| lilstevie | ew | 12:41 |
| lilstevie | need something like rEFIt | 12:41 |
| twb | Last time I touched Apple it was still using OpenFirmware, which I still looooove | 12:42 |
| lilstevie | OF was win | 12:42 |
| lilstevie | I miss OF | 12:42 |
| twb | And POWER beats x86-64 | 12:42 |
| lilstevie | hands down | 12:42 |
| lilstevie | thats why my file server is an xbox360 :p | 12:43 |
| twb | I'm not happy about ARM's royalty model either, but they've pretty much won the embedded space | 12:43 |
| lilstevie | using the JTAG hack ofc | 12:43 |
| lilstevie | ARM may have a shoddy royalty model, but their processors are win in the embedded space | 12:43 |
| twb | Yep | 12:43 |
| lilstevie | I couldn't imagine going back to MIPS or the likes | 12:44 |
| twb | Although I think they should probably ditch thumb and jazelle and stuff and just bake one ISA into any given core | 12:44 |
| lilstevie | thumb does have its benefits | 12:44 |
| twb | lilstevie: Forth is best for microcontrollers tho | 12:44 |
| twb | REPL FTW | 12:44 |
| twb | You said MSC is for tags -- what are tags? | 12:45 |
| lilstevie | well like bootloader args | 12:45 |
| lilstevie | kinda what I was trying to say, but a bit more complex | 12:46 |
| lilstevie | they also serve as tags for telling recovery to do certain actions | 12:46 |
| lilstevie | most common use though is a file called recovery tells the bootloader to boot straight into recovery | 12:47 |
| twb | Oh, OK | 12:49 |
| twb | So kinda like a combination of nvram, syslinux.cfg and /forcefsck | 12:50 |
| lilstevie | kinda' | 12:50 |
| lilstevie | just done very wrong | 12:50 |
| twb | Heh | 12:50 |
| lilstevie | I hate the bootloader | 12:51 |
| twb | One day | 12:51 |
| twb | One day we will have coreboot on the PROM | 12:51 |
| lilstevie | I'd love to see UEFI :p | 12:51 |
| twb | And it will not load seabios or refit, it will load the openfirmware implementation that sun dumped into coreboot just before oracle ate them. | 12:51 |
| lilstevie | heh | 12:52 |
| twb | EFI... saying "DOS 6 like UI!" as if that's a good thing | 12:52 |
| lilstevie | :p | 12:52 |
| twb | And it is, man, it even has commands like "dir" | 12:52 |
| twb | And you run "if" at the prompt and it says "error: only works in batch scripts" | 12:53 |
| lilstevie | heh | 12:54 |
| twb | Ruh roh | 12:54 |
| twb | ./nvflash --read UDA /dev/stdout --sbk 0x1682CCD8 0x8A1A43EA 0xA532EEB6 0xECFE1D98 | file - # <-- hung | 12:54 |
| lilstevie | ok have you already uploaded the bl and stuff? | 12:56 |
| twb | Nope | 12:56 |
| lilstevie | also by ID I mean the numerical ID | 12:56 |
| lilstevie | you need to put it into bootloader update mode | 12:56 |
| lilstevie | apx wont listen to many commands when an SBK is set | 12:57 |
| twb | Do I do that with ./nvflash --bl --sbk ...; and then it's in bootloader update mode until next reboot? | 12:57 |
| twb | Ah, I need a bootloader.bin? | 12:58 |
| lilstevie | yes | 12:59 |
| lilstevie | and you also need a bct | 12:59 |
| twb | I notice the bootloader.bin you supply doesn't match any of the ones in tegra-linux-12.alpha.1.0 | 12:59 |
| lilstevie | no | 13:00 |
| lilstevie | it is an asus one | 13:00 |
| twb | Hum. Can I d/l that from foo.asus.com? :-) | 13:00 |
| lilstevie | yes | 13:01 |
| lilstevie | in the dlupdate you need to extract a file called "blob" | 13:01 |
| twb | Got the URL handy? | 13:01 |
| lilstevie | no sorry | 13:01 |
| twb | Is it the stuff labelled "firmware", like 200MB dl file? | 13:06 |
| lilstevie | yep | 13:07 |
| twb | OK | 13:08 |
| twb | Damn page needs js, and isn't working even in my fallback js-capable browser :-/ | 13:10 |
| lilstevie | :/ | 13:10 |
| twb | OK, reverse-engineered their js | 13:17 |
| lilstevie | heh | 13:18 |
| twb | It's EeePAD/TF101/UpdateLauncher_US_epaduser8659.zip, just need the hostname... | 13:21 |
| twb | Which is in http://support.asus.com/js/Download.js | 13:22 |
| twb | Bam: http://dlcdnet.asus.com/pub/ASUS/EeePAD/TF101/UpdateLauncher_US_epaduser8659.zip | 13:23 |
| * twb closes Xorg again | 13:24 | |
| twb | lilstevie: FYI, the md5sum of blob also doesn't match yours | 13:37 |
| lilstevie | ? | 13:37 |
| lilstevie | oh right you are doing an md5 of the entire blob | 13:38 |
| lilstevie | :p | 13:38 |
| * twb sighs | 13:38 | |
| twb | Lemem guess another yak to shave | 13:38 |
| lilstevie | that blob is 4 or 5 partitions worth od data | 13:38 |
| lilstevie | of* | 13:38 |
| twb | Oh, stupid me, the blob is the whole thing | 13:38 |
| lilstevie | https://github.com/AndroidRoot/BlobTools | 13:38 |
| lilstevie | not the whole thing | 13:38 |
| twb | Gotcha | 13:39 |
| lilstevie | but it is the partitions EBT(bootloader) PT(tegraparts pt) SOS(recovery kernel) LNX(normal boot kernel) at minimum | 13:39 |
| lilstevie | also there are multiple versions of the bootloader | 13:40 |
| lilstevie | so md5 may not match | 13:40 |
| lilstevie | there are at least 7 versions | 13:40 |
| twb | I might as well use the latest one from that blob tho, right? | 13:41 |
| lilstevie | but only 3 are visually noticeable | 13:41 |
| lilstevie | yeah, well, doesn't really matter :p | 13:41 |
| lilstevie | only thing with the newest is that to boot from root=/dev/mmcblk1p* you need to add a rootwait | 13:41 |
| twb | Hum | 13:42 |
| lilstevie | that is the microsd | 13:42 |
| twb | Oh, no, I only care about booting from eMMC | 13:42 |
| lilstevie | yeah :p | 13:43 |
| twb | Except if I completely brick it, in which case SD isn't gonna work either | 13:43 |
| lilstevie | you can't completely brick :) | 13:45 |
| lilstevie | APX is always there | 13:45 |
| twb | k | 13:45 |
| twb | Apparently OMAP on the ROM has enough smarts to boot off a FAT16 SD card, no matter what | 13:46 |
| twb | Which is pretty nice, even if you have to carefully align the CHS and shite | 13:46 |
| twb | *Apparently on OMAP boards the ROM | 13:46 |
| lilstevie | tegra2 does too | 13:47 |
| lilstevie | well, | 13:47 |
| lilstevie | tegra2 can change boot devices | 13:49 |
| lilstevie | but in our case the reason it drops back to APX is because the tegra2 only has the eMMC configured as a boot device | 13:50 |
| twb | OK, so which blobunpack result is bootloader.bin ? | 13:51 |
| lilstevie | blob.EBT | 13:52 |
| twb | Ha, so it's not an AmigaOS bitmap font :P | 13:52 |
| lilstevie | they are named for the partition code | 13:52 |
| lilstevie | so EBT refers to EBT in the flash.cfg | 13:53 |
| twb | Nod | 13:53 |
| twb | OK, so now I have a bootloader.bin that I can trace back to asus.com, and a bct from "some guy", and I need to load these in using -bl | 13:57 |
| lilstevie | twb: not really "some guy" :p the guy who gave the tf root, and who got the sbk for nvflash in the first place :p | 14:07 |
| lilstevie | doubting the bct is as good as doubting the sbk :p | 14:07 |
| lilstevie | look at the command line given in the scripts from the androidroot pack | 14:07 |
| lilstevie | remove --create and --go | 14:07 |
| lilstevie | and add --sync | 14:07 |
| lilstevie | that will get you into interactive mode | 14:08 |
| lilstevie | -r is required for each command | 14:08 |
| lilstevie | after the sync that is | 14:08 |
| lilstevie | as it is resume | 14:08 |
| twb | I know what you mean, but I see a difference between a hash and a blob | 14:08 |
| lilstevie | and --download reads the partition | 14:08 |
| lilstevie | twb: unfortunantly you hit a chicken and egg situation | 14:09 |
| lilstevie | you can't extract the bct without first uploading one | 14:09 |
| twb | Yeah, I realize that | 14:09 |
| twb | Er, no I didn't realize *that*, but oK | 14:09 |
| lilstevie | it is based off the asus service center one | 14:09 |
| lilstevie | but regenerated | 14:09 |
| lilstevie | using cros bct tools | 14:09 |
| twb | Is -r the same as --read ? | 14:10 |
| lilstevie | no | 14:10 |
| twb | Oh resume | 14:10 |
| lilstevie | -r is resume | 14:10 |
| twb | My brain hurts | 14:10 |
| lilstevie | nvflash is a bitch | 14:10 |
| twb | Hang on surely for backing up the original partitions I want --read not --download | 14:11 |
| lilstevie | and sorry made a mistake up there :p | 14:11 |
| lilstevie | yes | 14:11 |
| lilstevie | that is the mistake :p | 14:11 |
| lilstevie | I'm so used to uploading I automagically went for it :p | 14:11 |
| twb | So ./nvflash --sbk 0x1682CCD8 0x8A1A43EA 0xA532EEB6 0xECFE1D98 --bl bootloader.bin --bct transformer.bct --sync -r --read 6 orig.vmlinuz | 14:11 |
| twb | That will backup the original LNX partition? | 14:11 |
| twb | (I figure I should test with the small partition first, not UDA) | 14:12 |
| lilstevie | you need --setbct in there | 14:12 |
| lilstevie | and not the -r --read 6 orig.vmlinuz | 14:12 |
| lilstevie | the -r --read comes after the first command | 14:13 |
| twb | So the order of the arguments matters? | 14:13 |
| lilstevie | well it is more that they are seperate commands | 14:13 |
| lilstevie | sync throws it into "phone update mode" from the bootloader | 14:14 |
| twb | OK hang on, separate commands within a single invocation of nvflash, or separate invocations of nvflash? | 14:14 |
| lilstevie | then once it is in that mode, ./nvflash -r --read 6 boot.img | 14:14 |
| lilstevie | seperate invocations of nvflash | 14:14 |
| twb | OK | 14:14 |
| twb | ./nvflash --sbk 0x1682CCD8 0x8A1A43EA 0xA532EEB6 0xECFE1D98 --bl bootloader.bin --bct transformer.bct --sync --setbct | 14:14 |
| twb | ^^ that's just sitting there | 14:14 |
| lilstevie | hmm | 14:15 |
| lilstevie | order probably matters | 14:15 |
| twb | And dmesg just whinged because nvflash has been in D state for 2 min :P | 14:15 |
| twb | I can fix that by just replugging the USB, tho | 14:16 |
| lilstevie | and rebooting the tablet | 14:16 |
| twb | That's plan B | 14:16 |
| * twb does that now | 14:16 | |
| lilstevie | you will need to reboot the tablet anyway | 14:16 |
| lilstevie | ./nvflash --bct transformer.bct --setbct --configfile flash.cfg --bl bootloader.bin --odmdata 0x300d8011 --sbk 0x1682CCD8 0x8A1A43EA 0xA532EEB6 0xECFE1D98 --sync | 14:17 |
| lilstevie | that should be the command | 14:17 |
| lilstevie | nvflash is really badly coded | 14:17 |
| twb | Thanks | 14:17 |
| twb | What's the odmdata for | 14:17 |
| lilstevie | odmdata is mode device specific configs | 14:18 |
| lilstevie | sets how much ram, and video output et al | 14:18 |
| lilstevie | it is a standard odmdata though | 14:18 |
| twb | As in settings baked into the nvflash binary? | 14:18 |
| twb | oh ok | 14:18 |
| lilstevie | flags for the processor | 14:18 |
| twb | Woo | 14:20 |
| twb | I got something on the screen | 14:20 |
| lilstevie | :) | 14:21 |
| twb | "!!!!!!device update sucesss!!!!!!!" | 14:24 |
| twb | Obviously the ASUS engineers are pretty excitable | 14:24 |
| lilstevie | nvidia engineers* | 14:24 |
| twb | k | 14:24 |
| lilstevie | :p | 14:24 |
| twb | So once I have done that BCT/BL upload, I just say "./nvflash -r 6 orig.vmlinuz" ? I don't need any of the SBK and stuff until the next reboot? | 14:25 |
| lilstevie | -r --read and yeah | 14:28 |
| lilstevie | also it isnt really a vmlinuz :p | 14:28 |
| twb | orig.zImage then? | 14:29 |
| lilstevie | boot.img | 14:29 |
| lilstevie | :p | 14:29 |
| twb | Righto | 14:30 |
| twb | Is that the combined header/kernel/ramdisk thing that abootimg generates? | 14:30 |
| twb | Someone should teach libmagic to recognize it. | 14:32 |
| phh | what about you N | 14:34 |
| phh | ?* | 14:34 |
| twb | phh: sorry, are you talking to me? | 14:34 |
| === davidm` is now known as davidm | ||
| twb | OK, I pissed it off | 14:37 |
| twb | Just to see what would happen I tried a named --read, and now it doesn't want to -r | 14:37 |
| * twb reboots TF | 14:37 | |
| twb | lilstevie: how come you said to backup UDA, when the one in default.cfg with a filename is APP ? | 14:41 |
| twb | Presumably APP is the OS, and UDA is initially an empty ext4 | 14:41 |
| lilstevie | I said you shouldn't need to back up UDA :p | 14:42 |
| twb | Oh I misread then | 14:42 |
| lilstevie | but make sure you back up BAK | 14:43 |
| * twb thinks: if there's already an immutable OS (APP) and a mutable user data (UDA) partition, instead of a single unified btrfs filesystem, I could/should use debian live to make a squashfs APP, and use aufs to merge that with a mutable btrfs UDA | 14:43 | |
| twb | Same as I would for a live USB key | 14:43 |
| twb | And then when upgrading, I upload the new test squashfs to SOS, and if it works, I use that until the next upgrade, when I upload to APP again, and go on flip-flopping between the two | 14:44 |
| twb | I rolled out that approach (except with ext instead of btrfs) for a kiosk in a retirement village, it was pretty robust | 14:45 |
| twb | Oh, and "restore factory defaults" is just to use a tmpfs instead of btrfs in the union :-) | 14:45 |
| twb | lilstevie: what kernel version is your git tree at? .39? | 14:48 |
| twb | about .38 (IIRC) or better will mean I can use XZ compression for the squashfs, which is like 40% better than gzip | 14:49 |
| lilstevie | .38 for u-boot | 14:49 |
| lilstevie | .36 for standard bootloader | 14:49 |
| twb | Hrm | 14:50 |
| * twb checks when SQUASHFS_COMP_XZ hit | 14:50 | |
| lilstevie | also no aufs | 14:50 |
| twb | Oh yeah, damn. I remember now aufs all the union filesystems are out-of-tree | 14:51 |
| twb | Can I tell nvflash not to flood my I/O bus printing "\ 228249600/536870912 bytes received" as fast as it can? | 14:51 |
| lilstevie | no | 14:52 |
| twb | Balls | 14:52 |
| twb | Maybe I can at least 2>/dev/null | 14:52 |
| lilstevie | under a "normal" shell it updates over the top of itself :p | 14:52 |
| lilstevie | yeah probably | 14:52 |
| twb | Yes but it's doing so so fast, and screen can't keep up | 14:53 |
| twb | It would probably be fine running directly in fbcon but not in screen | 14:53 |
| lilstevie | heh | 14:53 |
| twb | yeah 2>/dev/null is fine | 14:53 |
| twb | I wish val aurora had time to get "proper" union mounts into mainline | 14:55 |
| twb | 2>/dev/null isn't working, either ^C'ing the previous run pissed it off, or it can't handle 2>/dev/null | 14:56 |
| twb | I'll try running outside of screen | 14:56 |
| twb | Yeah that's much faster, it's done 100MB in a few seconds | 14:58 |
| twb | Aaaand now it's stopped because the netbook's SSD's buffer is full :P | 14:59 |
| lilstevie | lol | 15:00 |
| twb | netbook is running btrfs w/ block-level gzip compression, on an ssd | 15:01 |
| twb | I/O is not its forté | 15:01 |
| twb | (-tbtrfs -ocompress=lzo wasn't available when I set it up) | 15:01 |
| twb | WOW, nice, e2fsck on the APP partition says 0.0% fragmented | 15:02 |
| twb | Which is why resize2fs -M finished in O(1) time | 15:03 |
| lilstevie | well it is only marked ro | 15:03 |
| twb | Yeah but it means they did a good job setting up the original filesystem. | 15:04 |
| twb | If you just make an ext3 and loopback mount it and copy the chroot in, then do some finishing touches, it's not that well packed | 15:04 |
| twb | Ah, so SOS is just a small rescue boot.img, not a complete second rootfs | 15:05 |
| lilstevie | twb: mine is 0.2% fragmented by doing that | 15:08 |
| lilstevie | yeah :p if you read that before you would have seen that :p | 15:09 |
| twb | This probably won't interest you, but http://paste.debian.net/129033/ | 15:15 |
| lilstevie | heh, nice little comparison | 15:18 |
| twb | lilstevie: are you in .nz? | 15:18 |
| twb | Must be late; it's 1AM here in melbourne, and I'm going home. | 15:19 |
| twb | Hopefully tomorrow I'll find time to actually roll a kernel and rootfs :-P | 15:19 |
| lilstevie | I'm in melbourne :p | 15:19 |
| twb | Ah, okies | 15:19 |
| twb | Then I definitely will need to buy you some beers after all this | 15:20 |
| lilstevie | just grew up in nz :) | 15:20 |
| twb | I'm at cyber.com.au, in Burnley (basically Richmond) | 15:20 |
| lilstevie | ah nice | 15:20 |
| lilstevie | I'm a student at VU :p | 15:20 |
| twb | Are you likely to be around tomorrow? | 15:20 |
| twb | in irc I mean | 15:20 |
| lilstevie | probably | 15:21 |
| twb | awesome | 15:21 |
| twb | g'night | 15:21 |
| lilstevie | later | 15:22 |
| === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan | ||
| RoAkSoAx | hi Guys, I was wondering if any of you have PXE booted a pandaboard lately | 16:27 |
| RoAkSoAx | as I now keep getting an error when trying to partition | 16:27 |
| GrueMaster | RoAkSoAx: I do it daily. What is the issue you are seeing? | 16:27 |
| RoAkSoAx | GrueMaster: http://me.roaksoax.com/arm.png | 16:29 |
| GrueMaster | Sounds like a preseed issue, not a pxe issue. | 16:29 |
| RoAkSoAx | GrueMaster: right, though I've been using the same exact preseed I was using before and I didn't have the error | 16:30 |
| RoAkSoAx | GrueMaster: http://paste.ubuntu.com/686003/ | 16:30 |
| RoAkSoAx | GrueMaster: http://paste.ubuntu.com/686004/ | 16:31 |
| GrueMaster | Are you trying to netinstall to SD? | 16:31 |
| RoAkSoAx | GrueMaster: yes | 16:32 |
| GrueMaster | I don't think that works. There are still issues with SD partitioning in partman for d-i. | 16:32 |
| GrueMaster | (although the bug I filed keeps getting marked as invalid w/o explanation.) | 16:33 |
| RoAkSoAx | GrueMaster: might be that, but again, I'm using the same preseed file I used before and that worked | 16:34 |
| GrueMaster | For performance reasons, I suggest doing netinstall to USB drive (leaving SD for boot). | 16:34 |
| RoAkSoAx | GrueMaster: the SD card has two partitions, the boot and rootfs | 16:34 |
| RoAkSoAx | GrueMaster: yeah, I guess I'll end up doing that. Thanks | 16:34 |
| GrueMaster | Hmm. Not sure then. Maybe you need to remove the root= line from your boot cmdline until after netinstall. | 16:34 |
| RoAkSoAx | GrueMaster: did that already | 16:34 |
| GrueMaster | I can try it later today (maybe). All 6 of my pandas are currently tied up with CEPH cluster testing atm (which I am still trying to figure out). | 16:37 |
| RoAkSoAx | GrueMaster: cool, If you get the chance just let me know. Thanks | 16:39 |
| GrueMaster | Will do. | 16:39 |
| CocoaGeek | hi | 18:43 |
| CocoaGeek | I installed arm-linux-gnueabi-g++-4.4 on an Ubuntu 11.04 x64, but when I compile some code I get this error: invalid 'asm': invalid operand for code 'w' | 18:45 |
| CocoaGeek | I'm guessing that maybe I'm missing some include files specific to ARM … | 18:46 |
| CocoaGeek | any suggestions? | 18:46 |
| CocoaGeek | the error is on a line that contains a call to htons() | 18:47 |
| jhobbs | post some info about how to reproduce it on paste.ubuntu.com | 18:50 |
| jkridner_ | we are looking at doing another BeagleBoard revision (geared toward the lower end with more hardware expansion) and are debating ferociously amongst ourselves if distro vendors would care if you needed a different (incompatible) bootloader for SD card images made for this new version board. how big of a deal would that be? | 18:51 |
| steev_ | ood5Chew | 18:51 |
| GrueMaster | jkridner_: It would be a very big deal. This would mean that we would have to build yet another omap image, and it would be very confusing to users. | 18:53 |
| GrueMaster | CocoaGeek: This is a question best asked on #linaro I think. | 18:53 |
| CocoaGeek | thanks GrueMaster | 18:54 |
| jkridner_ | GrueMaster: if the solution was to add an extra MLO-like file to the SD card image, would that be sufficient? | 18:54 |
| GrueMaster | jkridner_: Linaro is currently building MLO from u-boot. This would likely require a new u-boot package, plus a new image to support for our preinstalled images. | 18:55 |
| infinity | jkridner_: Is it completely infeasible to have an MLO that works for both? :/ | 18:55 |
| jkridner_ | I'm not sure as the device on the new board seems to have a different internal memory address. I'm trying to find a work-around. | 18:56 |
| GrueMaster | Device lookup table in MLO? It would be cleaner. | 18:57 |
| jkridner_ | One of my challenges has been to articulate the need for having a single MLO file for both. Most of the people I interact with to help me do board bring-up don't seem to feel it is necessary/useful. | 18:57 |
| prpplague | jkridner_: hehe | 18:57 |
| prpplague | jkridner_: the joys of developing in a vaccum | 18:57 |
| infinity | Those people need to work with random community people who don't want to have to know their exact board revision to make it work. | 18:57 |
| CocoaGeek | jhobbs: sorry, were you talking to me? | 18:57 |
| jhobbs | yes | 18:58 |
| jkridner_ | One challenge is that the load address and start address are encoded in the MLO file. I'm looking at possibly using an on-board I2C EEPROM to load enough code to get around this issue. | 18:58 |
| infinity | jkridner_: We all realise that the ARM SoC world has been very used to having a new bootloader for every single SoC, board, revision, and moon phase, but I'm not sure anyone thinks that perpetuating this madness is a good idea. | 18:58 |
| jkridner_ | I'm trying to figure out if BeagleBoard can go about it differently. It is a challenge. I'm the one being told that I'm mad. | 18:59 |
| jkridner_ | is there a log of this conversation? I want to share it with the bring-up team. | 19:00 |
| prpplague | jkridner_: there are plenty of things that can be done, the problem is getting a solid acceptable solution that fits with the legacy existing beagle designs | 19:00 |
| prpplague | jkridner_: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ | 19:00 |
| prpplague | jkridner_: i already did this battle for the pandaboard and some of the other omap4430 based dev platforms | 19:01 |
| jkridner_ | prpplague: what I care about is providing a reference that is backwards compatible with BeagleBoard and BeagleBoard-xM. I can't do anything about legacy code running on newer platforms, but I can ask people to upgrade. | 19:01 |
| jkridner_ | prpplague: I'm a persistent nag who is used to getting my way. :) | 19:01 |
| infinity | jkridner_: The bottom line for Ubuntu here is that if you hand us a new board-specific MLO, we'll happily ship it in the archive, but we won't build Yet Another OMAP image. | 19:02 |
| prpplague | jkridner_: if you think we call you nag, maybe it is best you not know what we call you in reality......... | 19:02 |
| * prpplague jokes with jkridner_ | 19:02 | |
| infinity | jkridner_: So, we'll have installers for Beagle and XM, but not for this NG thing. | 19:02 |
| infinity | jkridner_: Which, from my experience, can reall cut down on the community actually using the board. Oddly enough, some people don't like having to sort out how to boot a system just to use it. | 19:03 |
| GrueMaster | jkridner_: It is my understanding that MLO needs to fit in 64k. It is currently 34k. I think this can be accomplished with lookup tables within the same binary. | 19:03 |
| jkridner_ | infinity: but, if the new MLO worked with this NG thing *and* Beagle and XM, would you replace the MLO such that your image booted with all 3? | 19:03 |
| infinity | jkridner_: You bet. | 19:03 |
| infinity | jkridner_: That would be the ideal outcome. | 19:03 |
| prpplague | jkridner_: basically you;d want to have u-boot generate a SPL image that would be usable | 19:04 |
| prpplague | jkridner_: on all three | 19:04 |
| prpplague | jkridner_: it is doable, but takes some planning and testing | 19:04 |
| GrueMaster | jkridner_: You should work with jcrigby from linaro. He has been doing some interesting work with u-boot, like getting x-loader/MLO back into the u-boot tree. | 19:04 |
| infinity | ^ | 19:05 |
| GrueMaster | Give me hardware and I can add it to my testing. :) | 19:05 |
| infinity | If you get any more hardware, your desk will collapse. | 19:05 |
| jkridner_ | prpplague: It is worth money to me if you can make it work. ;-) | 19:06 |
| prpplague | jkridner_: same as GrueMaster ..... i'd need hardware | 19:06 |
| jkridner_ | GrueMaster: will do! send me shipping info to jkridner at beagleboard (.org). | 19:06 |
| jkridner_ | ditto prpplgague, but I know where to find you. | 19:07 |
| GrueMaster | infinity: I have a 1/3 empty industrial rack cabinet in the basement. Space isn't an issue. | 19:07 |
| CocoaGeek | bummer, I had -I/usr/include in the makefile …. ooopsy. Thanks to mkedwards on #linaro | 19:08 |
| infinity | Wait, wait. People are giving away toys? | 19:08 |
| jkridner_ | toys for promises of work. output will be remembered. :) | 19:10 |
| prpplague | hehe | 19:17 |
| infinity | jkridner_: Well, screw that! ;) | 19:18 |
| jkridner_ | :) | 19:18 |
| infinity | jkridner_: (But please do send one to GrueMaster, his testing is pretty invaluable) | 19:18 |
| jkridner_ | I will indeed. | 19:18 |
| infinity | jkridner_: And if you're not already, do talk to jcrigby about this. | 19:18 |
| * GrueMaster blushes. | 19:18 | |
| infinity | jkridner_: His work on the omap4 u-boot/mlo madness might be quite helpful in providing a way forward. | 19:19 |
| jkridner_ | if he'll chime in, it'd be good, but I'll check back at other times for him. | 19:19 |
| prpplague | infinity: we must be talking about a different GrueMaster , the one i know is nothing but trouble | 19:19 |
| * prpplague points to GrueMaster | 19:20 | |
| prpplague | jkridner_: basically what we are talking about is a "bios" for omap series | 19:20 |
| GrueMaster | What? Me cause trouble? I just find the bugs that annoy engineers to no end. :P | 19:20 |
| prpplague | hehe | 19:20 |
| GrueMaster | Yes! I have 6 pandas running in a cluster filesystem configuration. How cool is that? | 19:22 |
| jhobbs | oo | 19:22 |
| jhobbs | what filesystem are you using? | 19:22 |
| GrueMaster | ceph for this test. Next will be GVFS. | 19:23 |
| GrueMaster | It's a tad slow. USB<>SATA and only 100mb ethernet, but still.... | 19:23 |
| * GrueMaster idly thinks about cell phone clusters. | 19:26 | |
| prpplague | GrueMaster: probably going to spin a second version of the bamboo with internal mounts for a 2.5 sata drive | 19:26 |
| GrueMaster | Nice. Is the sata more native or usb? | 19:27 |
| GrueMaster | Also, I have had problems with the panda providing enough power for my usb drives. | 19:27 |
| GrueMaster | (could be the drive cases). | 19:27 |
| prpplague | GrueMaster: no it would be usb based, but we would have a secondary power rail for the usb hard drive so no worries on power | 19:28 |
| GrueMaster | cool. | 19:28 |
| prpplague | GrueMaster: rob clark is pushing for the new case | 19:28 |
| GrueMaster | How soon unitl it is released? I don't think I have seen an order option for it yet (but I haven't looked in over a month). | 19:29 |
| prpplague | GrueMaster: probably not until jan, we have to see how the bamboo sells first | 19:31 |
| prpplague | GrueMaster: bamboo should be available 1st week in november | 19:31 |
| GrueMaster | Cool. Look forward to seeing it in the wild. | 19:31 |
| prpplague | GrueMaster: we keep debating on the color | 19:32 |
| prpplague | GrueMaster: i think we've decided on matte black | 19:32 |
| GrueMaster | Heh. | 19:32 |
| prpplague | GrueMaster: but i think green would have been cool | 19:32 |
| GrueMaster | Add a color "kit" option and ship a can of model paint. | 19:33 |
| prpplague | hehe | 19:33 |
| prpplague | circuitco is going to offer the pandaboard with the bamboo case and pcb pre-assembled | 19:33 |
| GrueMaster | prpplague: I doubt it will fit my mini-cluster. http://members.dsl-only.net/~tdavis/Panda-rack.jpg | 19:42 |
| prpplague | GrueMaster: bamboo cases are stackable | 19:42 |
| GrueMaster | Nice! | 19:43 |
| prpplague | GrueMaster: bamboo also adds an additional sd/mmc slot | 19:44 |
| jcrigby | jkridner_, I sent you an email, we can go from there | 20:13 |
| jcrigby | jkridner_, btw infinity was too kind on the MLO from u-boot. Aneesh V at TI did all that work, I just sorta watched. | 20:14 |
| jkridner_ | hi jcrigby. | 20:18 |
| jkridner_ | I'll take a look at the e-mail and come back. | 20:18 |
| infinity | jcrigby: I didn't say you did all the work, just that you (appear to) know what's going on. ;) | 20:27 |
| jcrigby | infinity, ok | 20:28 |
| jcrigby | thats fair | 20:28 |
| jkridner_ | in my response e-mail, should I copy anyone besides jcrigby and prpplague and those already on the e-mail chain? | 20:36 |
| prpplague | jkridner_: don't forget aneesh | 20:36 |
| jkridner_ | k | 20:36 |
| prpplague | GrueMaster: hope you don't mind, i didn't think about asking until i had clicked the upload, i posted your pandaboard minicluster pic on my google+ account | 20:58 |
| jkridner_ | what is the rest of aneesh's name? | 20:59 |
| jkridner_ | or, some part of it so I can look up an e-mail addres. | 21:00 |
| jkridner_ | aneesh v? | 21:00 |
| prpplague | aneesh@ti.com | 21:01 |
| prpplague | jkridner_: yea | 21:01 |
| jkridner_ | prpplague: don't you worry about loggers sending spam when you post e-mail addresses? | 21:01 |
| prpplague | jkridner_: i've not had any major issues with it | 21:02 |
| SysTom | Anyone running arm on something like a pandaboard? | 21:07 |
| prpplague | SysTom: running arm? | 21:10 |
| SysTom | Yeah, OMAP4 | 21:10 |
| prpplague | SysTom: there are several ubuntu builds specifically for arm based devices such as the pandaboard and beagleboard, assuming that is what you are asking | 21:11 |
| SysTom | Yeah, I'm just having a dig around now :) | 21:11 |
| SysTom | Thinking about putting Ubuntu-server on this pandaboard... | 21:11 |
| SysTom | Desktop seems rather I/O limited with the SD card | 21:11 |
| SysTom | Hmmm, which versions *don't* require a serial cable, as I don't have one spare currently | 21:18 |
| prpplague | SysTom: if you plan on doing any serious development on the pandaboard, the purchase of a cable would be wise | 21:19 |
| SysTom | Seems that way, I just wanted to get something up and running tonight to play with | 21:20 |
| GrueMaster | prpplague: Cool with me. I posted it on my facebook. | 21:29 |
| prpplague | cooloney: hey hey | 21:45 |
| GrueMaster | SysTom: The server image is just as slow as the desktop on SD when it comes to I/O. | 21:52 |
| GrueMaster | And the desktop image is better suited for non-serial console work. | 21:54 |
| SysTom | Okay, good to know- I'll give that a go first | 21:54 |
| SysTom | Just trying to set this SD card up properly | 21:54 |
| SysTom | ... shouldn't be difficult right *rolleyes* | 21:54 |
| prpplague | SysTom: if embedded linux was easy, they'd pay day-laborers to do the work | 21:56 |
| GrueMaster | There is an issue where flash-kernel doesn't properly sync during the preinstall boot through oem-config, but it usually passes on the second time through. | 21:56 |
| SysTom | prpplague: heh | 21:56 |
| GrueMaster | prpplague: People get paid to work on this? :P | 21:56 |
| SysTom | I just wanted to get something vaguely up and running tonight | 21:57 |
| SysTom | Stuck on preparing the SD, ... might just head to bed :D | 21:57 |
| prpplague | GrueMaster: that;s what i hear | 21:57 |
| GrueMaster | SysTom: If you have a usb keyboard and a HDMI or DVI monitor, desktop is your best bet. | 21:57 |
| SysTom | I do | 21:57 |
| GrueMaster | The SD needs to be 4G or greater. | 21:57 |
| SysTom | I've got an 8GB SD card (with something already on it) | 21:58 |
| GrueMaster | 8G seems to be the sweet spot. | 21:58 |
| SysTom | In an ubuntu live environment now trying to get it sorted | 21:58 |
| SysTom | ubuntu-11.04-preinstalled-netbook-armel+omap4.img.gz | 21:58 |
| SysTom | ...and I'm downloading that as we speak | 21:58 |
| GrueMaster | Make sure you back up your existing stuff on the 8G. You will be blasting it away with this image. | 21:58 |
| SysTom | That's fine, I don't need it (it was a spare SD card) | 21:59 |
| infinity | "Blasting" makes writing to SD sound so much speedier and cool than it really is. | 21:59 |
| infinity | "Trickling" might be more appropriate. | 21:59 |
| SysTom | I *will* be making noises when it's flashing | 21:59 |
| SysTom | Think Star Wars. | 21:59 |
| infinity | Heh. | 21:59 |
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