=== eeejay_is_afk is now known as eeejay [01:07] jasoncwarner_, ping [01:08] hey robert_ancell [01:08] jasoncwarner_, ready for a new unity-greeter test? [01:08] yeah [01:08] robert_ancell: going to email me the .deb? [01:09] just sent [01:22] robert_ancell: got it ... going to log out in a few minutes... [01:22] robert_ancell: should I clear my greeter log file? [01:22] no need, it will override it [01:23] jbicha, congrats on joining ~ubuntu-desktop [01:47] jasoncwarner_, any luck? [01:47] hey robert_ancell [01:47] cyphermox_, hello [01:48] robert_ancell: mostly just being curious, but how could I go about getting nm-applet to show up in unity-greeter? this used to be possible in GDM just by adding the .desktop file in the right place [01:48] it's mostly just useful to people who rely on the network for auth, e.g. those in strict corporate networks [01:49] cyphermox_, the applet or the indicator? [01:49] ah, indicator [01:49] it probably gets caught as an indicator at this point, if other indicators already show [01:49] robert_ancell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/685703/ [01:50] robert_ancell: I'm stepping out for a bit, so we can debug more when I get back [01:50] cyphermox_, it should be there according to the design: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/79251116/login_meassurement-02.png [01:50] jasoncwarner_, ok, thanks [01:50] FYI..still laggy (not sure if you did more than put in debug stuff...) be back in a bit [01:50] robert_ancell: ok, so that's already planned if not showing already? (iirc it's not there yet) [01:51] cyphermox_, unity-greeter explicitly loads the indicators /usr/lib/indicators3/6/libsession.so, /usr/lib/indicators3/6/libdatetime.so, /usr/lib/indicators3/6/libpower.so, and /usr/lib/indicators3/6/libsoundmenu.so [01:51] aye [01:51] should the network indicator just appear? [01:51] I think that's missing is just that nm-applet is a separate process to start [01:52] oh, is it normally started by gnome-session? (which is not running) [01:52] yeah [01:52] ok, we can do that [01:52] can you open a bug on that? [01:52] there may be some work required in the indicator to lock it down so it only displays status [01:52] sure, I'll do that later [01:53] to lock it down so it only displays status? [01:53] that won't work if e.g. you need to bring up a vpn to be able to login. [01:53] you shouldn't be able to change anything from the greeter. [01:53] anyway, let's discuss that at a later time, or in the future bug report; I need to go now.. it's late :) [01:53] hrm.. [01:53] sure, np [01:54] ttyl [01:54] thanks! [01:56] robert_ancell: thanks! [01:57] jbicha: are you looking at the gnome-shell failure? [01:58] nm connections are system wide now by default so maybe that's less important... [01:59] micahg: oh I had just assumed it was waiting for the new mutter but I see that's not the case so yes I'll work on that now [01:59] ls [01:59] oops [01:59] jbicha: ok, thanks [02:00] smspillaz, hey, how hard would it be to write a trivial wm for unity-greeter. I just need to detect when dialogs pop up and do some simple decorations [02:12] robert_ancell: do you intend to update Unity's a11y indicator also to match your greeter work? [02:14] jbicha, the unity-greeter one is just a hack (it's not even an indicator), but they should be the same [02:28] The a11y indicator provided by gnome-settings-daemon only deals with keyboard stuff afaik. [02:29] So there is no a11y indicator for the session. [02:29] At least in terms of covering everything. [02:30] TheMuso: well the g-s-d menu isn't that great (and even worse, it's broken), making it a proper indicator would be nice [02:30] robert_ancell: Where does the setting for the user's selected session get stored? I am pretty sure its .dmrc but is there anywhere else? I am trying to set the user session for a11y on the live CD, but do not have root privs with the script that does the work. [02:30] It seems the .dmrc I write gets overridden. [02:30] I'm not sure I have the C++ skills to do it myself [02:31] So a script is run in ubiquity's try/install mode that writes the .dmrc to set to ubuntu-2d for the ubuntu live user, but when I choose try Ubuntu, this gets overridden and uses the ubuntu session. === eeejay is now known as eeejay_is_afk [02:33] TheMuso, it's set in AccountsService. The files are in /var/lib/AccountsService/users/ but you should probably access it through the D-Bus interface and let it write these itself [02:34] robert_ancell: Ok thanks a lot, will look that up. Dbus-send to the rescue. [02:35] robert_ancell: I have no choice, as the files are owned and can only be written to by root. [02:36] i.e dbus is the only option. [03:03] robert_ancell: writing a wm is never easy [03:04] robert_ancell: but I guess in your case it would be of limited functionality, you could probably do it inside of the greeter itself [03:05] just set XSelectInput (dpy, SubstructureRedirectMask | SubstructureNotifyMask); on the root window and then when a dialog attempts to map itself reparent it and then draw some decorations into a simple InputOutput window [03:06] smspillaz, yes, would be in the greeter process. how do I get a callback when the dialog maps itself? [03:08] robert_ancell: it will be in your X event handler [03:08] as MapRequest [03:08] and then whenever it tries to do something else as ConfigureRequest [03:09] although keep in mind that if you're reparenting the window you also need to set SubstructureRedirectMask on the parent window as well otherwise the dialog will move around within its paren [03:09] if you want to make it so that the parent window is movable too, that's a little more tricky, see section 4 of the ICCCM ("client to window manager communication") for all the stuff that you're required to do [03:10] nah, I don't want anything to be movable. Just fade out the background and plonk the dialogs in the middle of the screen [03:10] ok, easy enough [04:09] smspillaz: hey...what is going on with the compiz stacking stuff? I still get the dash and alt+tab showing up behind windows quiet often... [04:11] jasoncwarner_: did you try unity 4.14 yet? still only in the desktop PPA [04:11] jbicha: no, I havne't [04:12] I typically only use it when it lands in ubuntu to see what users are going to see... [04:12] jbicha: do you think the stacking thing is fixed in the PPA? [04:12] I haven't yet either but it does fix several bugs (not sure about that one in particular) [04:12] jbicha: ah, ok...I'll see what smspillaz says ... [04:13] jbicha: is that the one that is coming tonight? [04:14] yeah, don't see it on the list: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/79350974/unity_4.14.2-0ubuntu1_source.changes [04:26] Good morning [04:26] micahg: were you interested in sponsoring https://code.launchpad.net/~jbicha/ubuntu/oneiric/gnome-shell/3.1.90.1/+merge/74716 [04:26] jbicha: well, a little busy this evening, if no one gets to it by the weekend though, I'll take care of it [04:27] micahg: no problem, thanks for pinging me though [04:27] jbicha: thanks for fixing [04:38] pitti: Thanks muchly for that fix, latest orca and accerciser now work. [04:44] TheMuso: awesome [04:49] jasoncwarner_, ok, take 5 with the unity-greeter. Now with threaded indicator loading [04:49] ok...did you email? [04:50] robert_ancell: got it [04:50] yup[ [05:03] good morning [05:09] bonjour didrocks [05:09] good morning pitti, how are you? [05:09] quite fine, thanks! [05:09] didrocks: how about you? pretty early for you after all the unity packaging fest last night? [05:10] hi didrocks, pitti [05:10] pitti: well, as early as usual, I just pushed the "IRC button" a litte bit sooner :-) [05:10] hey ajmitch [05:10] jasoncwarner_: I'm working on it [05:11] pitti: at least, as everything is in the ppa, I'll have the time to prepare to rdepends rebuild :) [05:11] jasoncwarner_: there is a branch available for testing but its an API break so lets wait for a ppa [05:11] fixed a typo that was messing stuff up this morning [05:11] now .. who had damage issues with xterm [05:12] smspillaz: it was lool [05:12] lool: was it one where typing would leave trails behind ? [05:12] didrocks: actually, can you confirm if that was the case ? [05:12] smspillaz: do you think it will come this week? [05:12] just type stuff and see if it leaves trails [05:13] smspillaz: wait...early next week? [05:13] jasoncwarner_: it depends of if testing is done etc [05:13] jasoncwarner_: its not a magic bullet, but it does fix the most difficult one [05:13] smspillaz: did you tried? [05:13] smspillaz: it's pretty easy to get, like "launch xterm"? [05:13] smspillaz: is this both alt+tab and dash? (assuming they are both related) [05:13] didrocks: yeah, I got them while I was working on some of the stacking stuff but as I was fixing bugs in the stacking code I noticed that it went away [05:13] jasoncwarner_: so basically there's two bugs here [05:14] jasoncwarner_: there's one where stuff can go on top of panels and the alt-tab [05:14] smspillaz: I still get some trails leaving after typing [05:14] and then there's another one where X and compiz get a bit out of sync [05:14] didrocks: ok. So I think I might have fixed it somehow [tm] because at least locally I'm not getting that anymore [05:14] smspillaz: which one do you think you fixed? [05:14] jasoncwarner_: oh, the second one [05:14] smspillaz: nice :) [05:14] jasoncwarner_: which was far more complicated [05:14] smspillaz: nice...ok [05:15] jasoncwarner_: the first one I just need instructions to reproduce it [05:15] smspillaz: ok...I look forward to testing! :) [05:16] maybe I'll make stackingtorturetest a little more ... toturious [05:16] right now it seems to not screw up on 20x20 stacking ops [05:16] so that's good [05:17] robert_ancell: about to test it now...just finished a couple of emails...I'll be getting you a log in a few minutes...be right back [05:17] jasoncwarner_, ok [05:18] smspillaz: have you seen the bug where Files sometimes comes first in Dash search results? [05:20] jbicha: that's not up my alley [05:20] so I don't know what's going on there. better to ask njpatel [05:23] pitti: we still haven't defined a process for voting for applications in "our picks", isn't it? [05:23] * didrocks wonders if openshot should be there seeing the ratings it has [05:24] didrocks: oh, I thought we'd do that based on user ratings? [05:24] but no, I'm not aware of a process [05:24] jbicha: this one is fixed in next release [05:24] I'll ask on #software-center once mpt is there [05:26] robert_ancell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/685767/ didn't seem to make much of a difference... [05:26] self.package_names = "armagetronad,calibre,cheese,homebank,stellarium,gimp,inkscape,blender,audacity,gufw,frozen-bubble,fretsonfire,moovida,liferea,arista,gtg,freeciv-client-gtk,supertuxkart,tumiki-fighters,tuxpaint,webservice-office-zoho" [05:26] seems it's still hardcoded :) [05:28] didrocks: indeed, that seems bad .. [05:29] jasoncwarner_, hmm. could you try the next version I sent you? It has a little more debugging [05:29] I thought I instlaled that one... [05:29] doh [05:30] didrocks, pitti: we are using the hardcoded "our picks" list just for the default banner that will ship with s-c [05:31] didrocks, pitti: soon, that banner will become dynamic, and will point to different lists or a single app, as configured on the server [05:32] tremolux: excellent, but not for O I guess? [05:32] didrocks, pitti: (the current "our picks" is just the old "Featured", reimplemented for the default banner) [05:32] didrocks: yep, indeed for O, that functionality is all in place [05:33] didrocks: and I think we plan to start rolling out new new banners over the next few weeks [05:34] didrocks: we just needed to have something as default until the server-side banners arrive (and after initial install), so we chose the old "featured" list [05:36] tremolux: do you know of a process to add one more? I guess seeing the ratings of openshot and how upstream is supportive can be a good move [05:37] didrocks: there's really not a process, anybody can nominate an app, probably best to just open a bug if you like and we can add openshot very easily [05:37] tremolux: well, I guess we have a realease in few minutes, so maybe time to do the move :) [05:37] * didrocks opens a bug [05:38] didrocks: that definitely seems like a great one to add [05:38] didrocks: thanks! [05:38] robert_ancell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/685770/ [05:38] tremolux: I can even propose a patch! :) [05:38] didrocks: release in a few hours I hope? (when I get back on) [05:38] didrocks: indeed! [05:39] jasoncwarner_, could you paste the lightdm.log also? [05:39] robert_ancell: sure [05:39] pitti: I just got this crash... [05:39] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plymouth/+bug/553745 [05:39] Ubuntu bug 553745 in plymouth "plymouthd crashed with SIGSEGV in ply_event_loop_process_pending_events()" [Medium,Confirmed] [05:39] it effects 566 people?!?!?!?! [05:40] didrocks: this release is gonna rock, over 30 bugfixes and I have a couple more in a branch that may go in as well [05:40] tremolux: waow! excellent :-) nice work to you and the s-c team :) [05:40] robert_ancell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/685771/ [05:40] tremolux: I think mvo will be very happy to see that once he's back! [05:40] jasoncwarner_: uh, how often do you see this? always? [05:41] pitti: I just got it for the first time just now [05:41] didrocks: prolly :) really great work from the team as usual, lots of bugfixes contributed....just awesome [05:42] tremolux: bug opened (bug 845370), should I push the fix directly? [05:42] Launchpad bug 845370 in software-center "add OpenShot to "Our picks"" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/845370 [05:42] didrocks: sure, go ahead! [05:44] tremolux: done :) [05:44] thanks didrocks [05:44] yw, thank to you! [06:38] smspillaz: yes [06:39] didrocks: eh you were working early! [06:40] lool: Julie goes to work early, I have no more reason to try sleeping again :) [06:40] aha [06:40] I have a similar school problem :-) [06:41] but kid is sick today; it's germ-sharing week [06:46] ahah, first week :-) [06:46] this is team building! [06:46] :) [07:09] Good Morning, Hackers! [07:09] guten Morgen Sweetshark [07:11] hey Sweetshark! [07:35] jasoncwarner_: about https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/zeitgeist/+bug/841798 - that trace is from 0.0.11 and not the latest and greatest 0.0.12 [07:35] Ubuntu bug 841798 in zeitgeist "zeitgeist-daemon crashed with RuntimeError in _check_index_and_start_worker(): basic_string::assign" [High,Incomplete] [07:36] kamstrup: I have a log in my /var/crash...I posted it to the other bug (the one you fixed released last night) [07:36] want me to pastebin it? [07:36] jasoncwarner_: yes please [07:37] should I be worried that bug #737891 is unassigned? [07:37] Launchpad bug 737891 in gnome-desktop "[Arrandale] gnome-display-properties unable to correctly enable monitors connected to VGA" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/737891 [07:37] kamstrup: http://paste.ubuntu.com/685796/ [07:38] jasoncwarner_: hmmm, that is a zeitgeist bug, that was supposedly fixed... (ie. not the fts bug) [07:38] jasoncwarner_: let me check if there are un-packaged zg fixes for this [07:42] hey kamstrup, welcome back! :) [07:42] and good morning all [07:42] dpm: thanks :-) [07:42] and good morning to you sir [07:42] :) [07:47] morning [07:59] hey rodrigo_ [08:02] * didrocks hugs pitti once again for ccache :) [08:02] hey rodrigo_! [08:02] hi pitti, didrocks [08:05] hi ;-) [08:05] bonjour seb128 [08:05] hey pitti, how are you? [08:05] seb128: FYI, I'm testing the new ptlib/opal/spandsp/ekiga stack right now (just to avoid duplicate efforts) [08:05] hi seb128 [08:05] seb128: quite fine, thanks! [08:05] hey rodrigo_, how are you? [08:05] seb128: I got the remaining libcamel and libnotify1 rdepends fixed this morning [08:05] pitti, ok [08:06] seb128, not very well, woke up with some stomach ache :( [08:06] seb128, and you? [08:06] I hope we can decide what to do with opal/ptlib today [08:06] rodrigo_, :-( [08:06] I'm fine thanks [08:06] and then it's down to porting or killing indicator-applet [08:06] rodrigo_: uh, that sounds bad [08:07] pitti, that's the sort of things I think we loose quality on :-( [08:07] pitti, you spending time on the ekiga stack where we don't really care about ekiga [08:07] yeah, it's too hot, so I slept with the window open, so I guess I got some cold [08:07] I would sync the new version or drop it from the archive [08:08] seb128: well, we can't leave it like that, with FTBFS/NBS [08:08] seb128: I'm just building everything to see whether it actually works [08:08] pitti, that's why I said "sync the new version or drop it" [08:08] the current oneiric version doesn't even start up for me [08:08] seb128: yes, I fully agree [08:08] ok, good ;-) [08:08] (it's one merge, and cjwatson already ported to current libav) [08:08] or said differently "please don't spend a day trying to fix it" [08:08] but I didn't spend much time on it yet, just building everything [08:08] seb128: gosh, no [08:11] ups unity [08:11] one day they will give keyboard focus to what get screen focus [08:13] seb128, didrocks: BTW, do you know if there is still some work going on for actually finishing the ayatana scrollbars? [08:13] we still carry this hideous hack in GTK, and as long as we don't put that into GTK properly, we'll never get consistency there [08:14] pitti, define finishing? [08:14] seb128: well, it's currently a kidn of addon taped to the side of GTK [08:14] quite funny, I was thinking about the consistency just yesterday evening [08:14] and it's still not working consistently in all programs [08:15] it should be working in gtk softwares in Oneiric [08:15] sure it's not working in xul, qt, etc [08:15] I guess I'll ask David/cimi once they get online [08:15] I was just curious [08:15] pitti, no, they don't plan to do something over what they have, at least not on GTK [08:15] if they put extra effort into it, it's to get those working for xul (firefox, tb) [08:16] seb128: ok, thanks [08:26] chrisccoulson_, hey [08:26] hi seb128, how are you? [08:26] chrisccoulson_, I'm fine thanks, how are you? [08:27] chrisccoulson_: question for you, does firefox use gtk scrollbars widgets? [08:27] or does it emulate them in some way? [08:27] seb128, yeah, i'm not too bad thanks [08:27] it uses gtk to draw scrollbars that are styled like gtk [08:27] but it doesn't actually use gtk widgets [08:27] chrisccoulson_: so it only uses the file dialog etc.? [08:28] pitti - yeah, it uses the file dialog [08:29] FWIW, nice to see evolution start again, fast, without crashes \o/ [08:30] cyphermox_: ^ [08:30] chrisccoulson_, so firefox wouldn't get overlay scrollbar even if those were coming from the gtkscrollbar widget properly? [08:30] seb128, no, it's more likely to break the scrollbar entirely [08:37] seb128: versions.html> we keep totem at 3.0 because of clutter, right? [08:39] ekiga doesn't build against experimental ptlib/opal (2.10/3.10), I'll give the current ekiga upstream version a try [08:42] njpatel, didrocks: want me to update bamf to 0.2.98? [08:42] pitti, experimental ekiga? [08:42] pitti, please :) [08:42] ekiga without /tmp library loading :) [08:42] pitti, no they don't want, it's in the ubuntu-desktop ppa [08:43] pitti, the new stack upload is blocked on an unity-2d bug didrocks is trying to get sorted with dx [08:43] seb128: ekiga> just trying, if it builds it's easier to backport a fix [08:43] pitti, but didrocks already did all the update [08:43] seb128: ack [08:44] pitti: anyway, you would have seen that the branch is already up to date :) [08:44] didrocks: ah, ok; just looked at versions.html, that's why I'm asking [08:44] * pitti will grab accountsservice then, while ekiga is building [08:44] pitti, can we sync librsvg? [08:44] seb128: already done [08:44] ;-) [08:45] seb128: just wanted to check that glib2.0 built, I uploaded it right before going to bed [08:45] chrisccoulson_, you are still written down for the gnome-screensaver update! [08:46] dpm, hey, there? [08:47] bah, ekiga 3.3.2 is horribly intrusive [08:47] this is a rathole [08:47] pitti, it's a standalone application, why just not go with the new version, if it's too broken we can still drop it from oneiric [08:48] seb128, oh, sorry. i'll look at that in a few moments [08:48] seb128: with 3.3.2 you mean? [08:48] pitti, yes [08:48] chrisccoulson_, no worry ;-) [08:49] hey seb128, yeah [08:49] dpm, could you accept ted's email about string freeze break? [08:50] dpm, sorry ted's email to ubuntu-translators list, which is about a string bring in indicator-session [08:50] it's blocking the update [08:50] seb128, done now [08:50] dpm, thanks! [08:51] no worries ;:) [08:51] argh, four-eyed smiley [08:51] * dpm reads ted's e-mail [08:51] lol [08:52] Guys, I'm dying for unity 4.14. when to expect? [08:52] I think I'm going to take a little break to see if I feel a bit better, so bbiab [08:52] dpm, you got extra eyes, that how you can watch on everything, I see! ;-) [08:52] rodrigo_, hey [08:52] ;) [08:52] rodrigo_, just before you leave, do you mind if I snapshot g-c-c trunk? [08:52] seb128, no, I don't mind, but what do you want from it? [08:52] rodrigo_, bastien did quite some ui changes recently and I would like to get those in since we are ui frozen already [08:53] so the documentation team works on current uis [08:53] seb128, ok, do it then, or if you want I can do it later, as you prefer [08:53] next tarballs are in 10 days [08:53] yeah [08:53] rodrigo_, I can do it, thanks [08:53] rodrigo_, get better, see you later! [08:53] seb128, ok, thanks [08:53] yeah, hopefully it'll be a tiny break [08:53] bbiab [08:55] seb128, do you have a bug number for ted's string freeze break? [08:55] ronoc, ^ [08:56] dpm, I don't know, I asked him to deal with it before leaving yesterday, maybe he just sent the email [08:56] dpm, I will get ronoc to file the bug ;-) [08:56] ronoc, hey [08:56] seb128, string freeze break ? [08:56] seb128, hey guys [08:56] ronoc, hi [08:57] ronoc, yes, to fix the guest-... user name bug you did a string change [08:57] ronoc, ted Cc-ed you on the email he sent yesterday [08:57] ronoc, title "Freeze breaking in User Menu" [08:58] ronoc, can you open a bug about the change and give the number to dpm? [08:58] seb128, oh yes, well its part of the spec and it gives the user the option. It can be as it was before when a gsettings switch [08:58] seb128, will do [08:58] s/when/with [08:58] that'd be great, thanks ronoc and seb128 [08:58] ronoc, well being part of the spec doesn't mean you don't have to respect the freezes ;-) [08:59] ronoc, that's a new string coming late and translators need to know they need to translate it [08:59] seb128, yeah sorry I should have got that in before UI freeze [08:59] no worry [09:01] seb128, did Roberts gtk patch get released ? [09:02] ronoc, not yet [09:02] let me check if upstream reviewed it [09:02] seems they didn't [09:02] seb128, will that go out today ? [09:02] I don't know, I asked him to ping upstream on IRC for review [09:03] I don't feel comfortable distro patching his change without upstream review [09:03] nice, i could get used to remote debsign :) [09:03] ok, my two criticals on the i-sound need that patch just so you know [09:03] seb128, ^ [09:04] ronoc, yeah, I'm aware of that and it's on my watch list [09:04] I just want to get an upstream review [09:04] grand [09:04] I will chase them on IRC ;-) [09:06] seb128, so will I :) [09:06] dpm, this is the bug I used to justify the change yesterday [09:06] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-session/+bug/844272 [09:06] Ubuntu bug 844272 in indicator-session "Guest session displayed with random hash" [Low,Fix committed] [09:07] looking, thanks [09:11] gnagnagna; libpt soname change, etc. [09:14] ronoc, seb128, I've replied to the e-mail. let me know if that's enough or if you need anything else [09:14] dpm, will do thanks [09:14] dpm, well, from my side that's enough, it means I can upload right? ;-) [09:16] dpm, perfect thanks [09:17] seb128, yeah, it makes sense to me -it's not only a cosmetic change-, and I think translators will agree [09:17] dpm - i guess you're not subscribed to any mozilla lists, so you probably haven't seen this - http://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.dev.planning/browse_thread/thread/62b8a2a7d8aa0d00# [09:17] i wonder if there's any way we could help out there ;) [09:18] dpm, thanks! [09:18] hey chrisccoulson_, let me have a read... [09:20] ronoc, indicator-session uploaded [09:21] seb128, sweet, ill get testing [09:24] chrisccoulson_, in my opinion they should try to choose just one official tool to submit translations. I myself I'm not involved in mozilla translations because they're just too complex to contribute to. We could offer them to use LP, but afaiui they've always had the loose policy of not having just one tool for translation submissions, so in that sense LP would only be one more. On the other hand, if as we discussed last uds we could get the LP firef [09:24] ox translations to a stage that are similar to the chromium translations infrastructure in LP, they could definitely benefit from the translations from the Ubuntu community (and others who'd want to join the effort). What do you reckon, do you think this would be something feasible for next cycle? [09:25] ok, so ekiga 3.3.2 needs ptlib 2.10.2, which doesn't build [09:25] dpm, yeah, i certainly plan to do that next cycle [09:26] chrisccoulson_, cool. Do you know if someone involved in mozilla l10n is attending? It would be interesting to have a discussion with them to see what they think [09:31] dpm - i don't think there will be anyone involved with l10n attending [09:31] g'ah, another ABI break in libunity??? [09:31] chrisccoulson_, yes... [09:32] these cause me headaches ;) [09:32] chrisccoulson_, in that case we should make sure they are aware and can participate remotely [09:32] dpm, yeah, can do [09:33] sounds good. Let's have another chat about it after release :) [09:35] ricotz, I see you have latest gnome-shell in your ppa, will that be merged into oneiric soonish? [09:37] oneiric-changes@> yay new unity love [09:43] pitti: unity-2d workaround found, I let some time (nux needs to be built, published, then unity needs to be built, published…) for a correct fix [09:43] starting rebuilding libunity rdepends for simple ABI break (the API break was only on lenses) [09:43] no stacking fix though? ;) [09:43] chrisccoulson_: one gold rule, no compiz and unity upload the same day :) [09:43] lol [09:44] i can't use the new unity then :( [09:44]