| stgraber | ajmitch: yeah, config is always tricky to handle and I'm not sure we'll find a safe way to handle that any time soon | 00:00 |
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| Daviey | doko: Well it builds in both pbuilder and sbuild local.. not quite got the confidence to throw in a no-change rebuild into the archive yet.. :).. Just pushed to a virgin PPA, will see what that does. | 00:04 |
| * Daviey ponders how nice it would be if the package build tools had the same behavior as the archive. | 00:05 | |
| lifeless | you can do that - heck, run a local PPA for testing :) | 00:07 |
| stgraber | Daviey: can't you just grab a LP buildd chroot? that should give pretty much the same behaviour | 00:07 |
| Daviey | lifeless: fancy writing an ensemble formula for that? :) | 00:08 |
| Daviey | stgraber: where from? | 00:08 |
| lifeless | Daviey: once ensemble has lxc support :) | 00:08 |
| Daviey | lifeless: bah | 00:08 |
| stgraber | Daviey: give me 5 minutes, I'll try to find the URL again ;) I know it's somewhere in the LP api | 00:09 |
| lifeless | Daviey: the word 'local' being relevant there ;) | 00:09 |
| stgraber | Daviey: https://api.launchpad.net/1.0/ubuntu/oneiric/amd64 | 00:10 |
| Daviey | stgraber: nice find! | 00:11 |
| stgraber | Daviey: I never actually used them but I saw that once in the API :) | 00:11 |
| stgraber | ajmitch: Quick demo of arb-wrapper (available in https://launchpad.net/~stgraber/+archive/arb-testing): http://paste.ubuntu.com/685673/ | 00:16 |
| ajmitch | stgraber: thanks | 00:31 |
| micahg | poolie: did hallyn get back to you? | 01:00 |
| poolie | hi, not that i noticed | 01:01 |
| poolie | i would appreciate if you file or point out a bug and i'll see if we can do something about it | 01:01 |
| micahg | poolie: bug 820671 | 01:17 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 820671 in Ubuntu Distributed Development "no libvirt in maverick-updates or natty-updates udd trees" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/820671 | 01:17 |
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| tjaalton | bug 824913, any archive admin know how that's possible? | 04:06 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 824913 in Ubuntu "LUCID linux-headers-generic-lts-backport-maverick 2.6.35.30.38 depends on missing linux-headers-2.6.35-30" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/824913 | 04:06 |
| tjaalton | the archive has the deb, but the index files not | 04:06 |
| poolie | thanks micahg | 04:17 |
| pitti | Good morning | 04:25 |
| poolie | hi pitti | 04:25 |
| didrocks | good morning | 05:03 |
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| dholbach | good morning | 06:56 |
| dholbach | can somebody please reject https://code.launchpad.net/~sinzui/ubuntu/oneiric/gedit-developer-plugins/0.5.4-release/+merge/74628? | 08:09 |
| pitti | dholbach: done | 08:10 |
| pitti | still weird why core-devs can't do this | 08:10 |
| dholbach | thanks pitti | 08:10 |
| dholbach | and please reject https://code.launchpad.net/~paulbrianstewart/ubuntu/oneiric/alarm-clock-applet/830806-Punctuation-Correction/+merge/72373 too | 08:13 |
| pitti | dholbach: done | 08:26 |
| dholbach | thanks | 08:28 |
| kelemengabor | njpatel: hi, do you have a few minutes to review my proposed branch for bug #437963 ? | 08:31 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 437963 in Ubuntu Translations "Untranslatable strings in Plugin manager" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/437963 | 08:31 |
| kelemengabor | or any evolution-indicator devs? :) | 08:33 |
| njpatel | kelemengabor, approved, just merging | 08:40 |
| njpatel | kelemengabor, we'll need a new release, will ping didrocks with the tarball | 08:41 |
| kelemengabor | thanks! | 08:41 |
| njpatel | kelemengabor, didrocks https://launchpad.net/evolution-indicator/0.2.0/0.2.20 | 08:47 |
| seb128 | didrocks, njpatel: what is the new version for? do you want me to package it? | 08:48 |
| didrocks | njpatel: thanks, maybe cyphermox_ will make the update as he's in charge of the evo stack nowdays! | 08:48 |
| didrocks | seb128: oh yeah, please! that's more than welcome :) | 08:48 |
| seb128 | didrocks, doing | 08:48 |
| didrocks | thanks :) | 08:48 |
| njpatel | seb128, it's for this bug: #437963 | 08:48 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 437963 in Ubuntu Translations "Untranslatable strings in Plugin manager" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/437963 | 08:48 |
| seb128 | njpatel, thanks | 08:49 |
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| Snicksie | Hi all... I'd like to get started in ubuntu development, i've read the howto (UbuntuDevelopment @ wiki) and i'm looking what I can do, but I find it quite difficult to get started... Is there someone who could help me with getting started? I'm also quite unsure about what teams I need to join and what steps I need to make before I can help developing... I'd like to help bugfixing, but I've not enough knowledge to help with that :( | 10:32 |
| tjaalton | any archive admin available to figure out why bug 824913 exists? :) | 10:37 |
| dholbach | Snicksie, I would suggest you check out http://developer.ubuntu.com/packaging/ | 10:37 |
| tjaalton | uh, no ubottu | 10:37 |
| tjaalton | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/824913 | 10:38 |
| Snicksie | will read that, dholbach :) | 10:39 |
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| Snicksie | dholbach, i'm afraid i dont really have enough experience with programming languages like c/cpp/python, which seems to be the most used languages in ubuntu... do you have any helpful information how to learn that? :$ I only 'know' the basics (as in really basic) from cpp and I have some experience with java / php/ js / etc... | 11:52 |
| dholbach | Snicksie, you could just start trying to fix very small issues | 11:53 |
| Snicksie | i've tried to search for 'simple' bitesize bugs, but the simple ones seem already taken :( | 11:53 |
| lenios__ | i'm wondering where to ask to get my package into main repositories | 12:02 |
| lenios__ | available at https://launchpad.net/~richard-sellam/+archive/ppa , although will need some work to merge with debian testing | 12:03 |
| Chipzz | lenios__: a) you should mention *which* package and b) packages don't go into main easily, a package being in mai means canonical *wants* to support it, which is hardly the case for just any package out there. I suspect you want your package in universe/multiverse instead | 12:16 |
| lenios__ | oops, i meant universe | 12:17 |
| lenios__ | package is ocsinventory-agent | 12:17 |
| Chipzz | better place to ask is #ubuntu-motu | 12:18 |
| doko | ohh, nice, libunity5 :-/ | 12:19 |
| pitti | doko: rebuilds were uploaded | 12:19 |
| * pitti is waiting for powerpc to catch up to drop libcamel and libnotify1 | 12:19 | |
| pitti | I'll have a look at the libevent-1.4-2 rdepends | 12:20 |
| jml | :( | 12:31 |
| doko | barry, could you have a look at bug 621242 for the dh_python2 changes? | 12:45 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 621242 in mocker (Ubuntu Oneiric) "[MIR] mocker" [High,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/621242 | 12:45 |
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| barry | doko: mp submitted for bug 621242 to switch mocker to dh_python2. care to review? i'm happy to upload it if it looks okay to you | 14:41 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 621242 in mocker (Ubuntu Oneiric) "[MIR] mocker" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/621242 | 14:41 |
| doko | barry, looks ok | 14:46 |
| barry | doko: thanks, pushing | 15:04 |
| cr3 | cjwatson: hi there, might you happen to remember why the chain.c32 is needed to netboot some systems from the first drive since maverick? | 15:54 |
| cjwatson | cr3: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/syslinux/+bug/625383 has all I know | 15:56 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 625383 in Release Notes for Ubuntu "grub hangs at early booting after handoff from PXE" [Undecided,Fix released] | 15:56 |
| cr3 | cjwatson: ah, so it's been fix released after maverick, so I shouldn't need the workaround anymore for natty and oneiric! | 15:58 |
| cjwatson | err | 15:58 |
| cjwatson | no, the release notes task is fix-released, everything else is wont-fix - just use chain.c32 | 15:59 |
| cr3 | cjwatson: thanks for pointing that out, cheers! | 15:59 |
| cjwatson | investigating what went wrong with localboot is a rathole and probably impossible without access to the PXE BIOS code | 15:59 |
| cjwatson | or infeasible anyway | 16:00 |
| cjwatson | chain.c32 means it doesn't matter if this particular corner of the PXE BIOS is buggy | 16:00 |
| cr3 | cjwatson: might it be worthwhile to make that assumption the default behavior, ie assuming bugginess which is probably quite common when it comes to BIOS code :) | 16:03 |
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| cjwatson | cr3: there's no default, you just write LOCALBOOT or COM32 chain.c32 (or whatever the exact rune is) depending on what you want to happen; I don't think it would be appropriate to turn one into a magic shim for the other, no | 16:05 |
| cr3 | cjwatson: or here's another idea: how about we make the chain.c32 file from the syslinux package directly available on the alternate and server images to enable sysadmins when netbooting? | 16:06 |
| cr3 | hggdh`: ^^^ do you think that would help folks? | 16:06 |
| hggdh | yes, it would. It makes no sense to find oneself with an ISO that will not PXE-boot | 16:08 |
| hggdh | like what happened with me... | 16:08 |
| cjwatson | cr3: sure, it's tiny enough. done | 16:09 |
| cr3 | cjwatson: many thanks, you've just made a few server folks quite happy :) | 16:09 |
| hggdh | cjwatson: thank you, from the bottom of my heart, and all that :-) | 16:11 |
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| gotwig | cjwatson: hey | 16:42 |
| gotwig | cjwatson: we talked yesterday about seeds, right? | 16:43 |
| cjwatson | hi | 16:43 |
| cjwatson | yep | 16:43 |
| gotwig | cjwatson: may I ask you something about that ? | 16:43 |
| cjwatson | sure | 16:43 |
| gotwig | cjwatson: can I build my own ubuntu image, with custom seeds from me? If yes, how? | 16:43 |
| cjwatson | probably simplest to direct you to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization | 16:44 |
| cjwatson | well, maybe, that's not a build from scratch | 16:45 |
| cjwatson | for >= oneiric you can use the live-build package | 16:45 |
| gotwig | cjwatson: ? | 16:45 |
| cjwatson | and as far as seeds go, you'd update ubuntu-meta to point to your seeds and put that in a local repository | 16:46 |
| gotwig | cjwatson: there is no manual, for using seeds to build an image | 16:46 |
| cjwatson | no, there is not | 16:46 |
| cjwatson | afaik | 16:46 |
| cjwatson | honestly, though, I don't do this kind of thing because I have all the central infrastructure to hand. I'm sure there are others who can help you much more usefully than I can | 16:46 |
| gotwig | :/ | 16:46 |
| gotwig | cjwatson: which infrastructure? | 16:46 |
| cjwatson | the sort of people who build derivative distributions of Ubuntu | 16:46 |
| cjwatson | live-build, livecd-rootfs, the Ubuntu cdimage code | 16:47 |
| gotwig | thx | 16:47 |
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| smoser | SpamapS, have you tried to re-create the users issues in bug 839595 ? | 17:23 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 839595 in Release Notes for Ubuntu "failsafe.conf's 30 second time out is too low" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/839595 | 17:23 |
| smoser | you can probably avoid lots of back and forth if you just boot a vm without eth0 (or you could add an 'auto eth1' entry) | 17:24 |
| SpamapS | smoser: no, I couldn't recreate it. X starts fine for me. | 17:26 |
| SpamapS | smoser: trying to figure out what is blocking him | 17:26 |
| ScottK | SpamapS: I'd appreciate it if you could move clamav to natty-updates now. It's verification done. | 17:34 |
| SpamapS | ScottK: I'll make a sweep in a bit, Thanks for the heads up. | 17:34 |
| ScottK | Thanks. | 17:35 |
| sbeattie | barry: how do you get around bzr merge-package refusing to work due to uncommitted local changes from doing quilt pop -a first? I don't particularly want to add a spurious commit just for popping everything off before a merge. | 17:35 |
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| om26er | could anyone sponsor this unity fix https://code.launchpad.net/~om26er/ubuntu/oneiric/unity/unity-fix-840285/+merge/74854 the issue is quite important I believe | 18:48 |
| highvoltage | heh, keybuk caused quite a stir | 18:56 |
| ScottK | Oh? | 19:03 |
| tumbleweed | highvoltage: where did you see that? I've had IRL discussion about it today, but seen nothing about it on the lists / planet since | 19:03 |
| ScottK | About what? | 19:03 |
| * ScottK is all confused | 19:04 | |
| tumbleweed | 20:56 < highvoltage> heh, keybuk caused quite a stir | 19:04 |
| ScottK | right, but what was the stir? | 19:04 |
| tumbleweed | proposed monthly releases | 19:04 |
| broder | ScottK: http://netsplit.com/2011/09/08/new-ubuntu-release-process/ | 19:04 |
| stgraber | it was just on Planet, slashdot and LWN :) | 19:04 |
| ScottK | Thanks. | 19:04 |
| highvoltage | yeah, on slashdot, LWN, linux.com, etc | 19:09 |
| nigelb | It is an interesting proposal :) | 19:09 |
| tumbleweed | lots of noise outside Ubuntu, none inside :) | 19:09 |
| highvoltage | and I was overhearing people in the office talking about it too | 19:09 |
| nigelb | heh, same here. | 19:09 |
| nigelb | servers bit especially | 19:10 |
| nigelb | what would happen, etc | 19:10 |
| ScottK | Just add one more layer: "Really effing stable." | 19:11 |
| ScottK | I think he's totally right on the problem. Not sure I agree with his solution. | 19:12 |
| highvoltage | ScottK: yep, all the reasonable people I've spoken to about it said pretty much the same thing. things could be done a lot better, but there's not yet a nice solution that really fixes the current problems nicely without introducing other nasty ones | 19:14 |
| ScottK | I think if things like Unity had their own feature planning/release schedule that were shifted earlier than Ubuntu's it could be sovled. | 19:16 |
| ScottK | If, to pick an example, Unity were developed on a schedule similar to Gnome/KDEs then they could start on feature work for release +1 as soon as Ubuntu's feature freeze hits. | 19:17 |
| ScottK | They need to decouple their planning from the Ubuntu planning schedule. | 19:17 |
| ScottK | Basically "Development" and "Distribution Integration" are two different things. | 19:17 |
| jbicha | the proposal is similar to the Chrome/Firefox schedule | 19:18 |
| ScottK | Trying to do development on the distro integration schedule doesn't make for a happy solution. | 19:18 |
| ScottK | I think he underestimates the complexity of what he's proposing. | 19:18 |
| ScottK | I don't think it scales from one package to 20,000. | 19:18 |
| micahg | om26er: is unity not using a patch system? | 19:57 |
| om26er | micahg, its using quilt, everyone was just patching the source directly but I could try with quilt if required | 19:58 |
| micahg | om26er: well, I can only speak in generalities, but usually in the distro, if there's a patch system, we use it, but you should probably ask the -desktop people | 19:59 |
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| SpamapS | slangasek: what do you think about this discussion in bug 839595 .. It would appear that at least a few users have an auto interface setup that is causing their boot to be much slower. | 20:08 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 839595 in Release Notes for Ubuntu "failsafe.conf's 30 second time out is too low" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/839595 | 20:08 |
| superm1 | slangasek, did i read somewhere that the 700mb oversized mark was wrong on c.u.c? that it's actually like a meg or two more that are allowed? mythbuntu amd64 is oversized to like 701mb, so i was hoping wouldn't need to fix that. | 20:21 |
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| afeder_ | I am trying to compile network-manager-applet, but it depends on 'NetworkManager >= 0.9.1'. Where can I get this package when the most recent version in main repositories is 0.9.0? | 21:48 |
| jbicha | afeder_: why don't you compile NetworkManager while you're at it then? | 21:59 |
| afeder_ | i wouldnt know how :/ | 22:00 |
| afeder_ | oh i guess i would pull it from LP too... | 22:01 |
| * afeder_ is slow but gets there eventually | 22:01 | |
| afeder_ | thanks | 22:01 |
| cjwatson | sbeattie: it seems odd that 'bzr merge-package' doesn't have a --force option. I use 'bzr merge --force' for that kind of thing and it works fine, although I'm probably missing some subtle bit of magic from merge-package. | 22:49 |
| SpamapS | Does anyone know if NetworkManager for some reason edits /etc/network/interfaces ? bug 839595 has some discussion going on that suggests it might, but I don't think thats how it works. | 22:57 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 839595 in Release Notes for Ubuntu "failsafe.conf's 30 second time out is too low" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/839595 | 22:57 |
| cyphermox_ | SpamapS: I was just running out for the weekend, but NM doesn't edit /e/n/i | 23:00 |
| cyphermox_ | it reads it though | 23:00 |
| cyphermox_ | (unless you use Debian's NM, which touches /e/n/i as part of the maintainer scripts, we don't have those) | 23:01 |
| SpamapS | cyphermox_: thanks... still running my tests, but good to know that it *shouldn't* | 23:01 |
| cyphermox_ | give me a second, I'll make sure I can stay online while on the road (I'm not driving ;) | 23:02 |
| cyphermox_ | ok, checking that bug report now | 23:08 |
| SpamapS | cyphermox_: thanks.. I really think its mostly just left over auto's in /etc/network/interfaces, and not something people w/ normal configurations should see | 23:08 |
| cyphermox_ | right | 23:09 |
| cyphermox_ | if /e/n/i still contains an entry with 'auto <iface>', nm will ignore it | 23:09 |
| SpamapS | Right, whereas the new boot procedure won't.. it will try and wait for it. | 23:09 |
| SpamapS | Which is what we *want*.. but may not be what people *expect* | 23:10 |
| cyphermox_ | sorry,, not sure I follow there | 23:10 |
| SpamapS | We made a change to the boot.. | 23:10 |
| SpamapS | so that runlevel 2 waits for all the auto interfaces to be up | 23:10 |
| cyphermox_ | and it looks for entries with auto? | 23:10 |
| SpamapS | since most desktops/laptops should have no auto's | 23:10 |
| cyphermox_ | ok | 23:10 |
| cyphermox_ | right | 23:10 |
| cyphermox_ | afaik it shouldn't contain it on new installs, and it's been the case for long enough that the vast majority of upgrades wouldn't have them either | 23:11 |
| SpamapS | but 2 users , including our own RAOF, have complained because this suddenly causes their boot to take 2 extra minutes | 23:11 |
| cyphermox_ | I can think of some vm setups "require" the use of /e/n/i, for instance for bridginh | 23:11 |
| cyphermox_ | gah, I really can't type today | 23:11 |
| SpamapS | I'm wondering if its worth making do-release-upgrade warn them or something. | 23:12 |
| SpamapS | bridging problems actually are a big part of why we're doing this | 23:12 |
| cyphermox_ | ok | 23:12 |
| SpamapS | If we don't wait, auto-vm's can't use the bridge for instance. | 23:12 |
| cyphermox_ | yup | 23:12 |
| SpamapS | Its the typical gripe when you remove a race condition.. things go slower. ;) | 23:13 |
| cyphermox_ | so what's the thing about NM changing /e/n/i then? | 23:13 |
| cyphermox_ | hehe | 23:13 |
| SpamapS | cyphermox_: I think its just FUD | 23:13 |
| cyphermox_ | oh ok | 23:13 |
| cyphermox_ | I know it reads the file, i guess it *could* be the case that it touches it, but I seriously doubt it. I haven't seen this kind of changes in that part of the code pass by, and I'm pretty sure someone would have noticed and complained | 23:17 |
| cyphermox_ | given we've already complained about touching /etc/hosts, and I think /etc/resolv.conf may still be an issue, I don't think changing /e/n/i would fly, dcbw already knows about it | 23:17 |
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| bdmurray | pitti: how will the retracer handle the case where a bug with a duplicate signature is marked as a duplicate of another without a signature? | 23:20 |
| bdmurray | pitti: bug 845093 is an example of what I'm talking about | 23:21 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 841753 in bcmwl (Ubuntu) "duplicate for #845093 package bcmwl-kernel-source 5.100.82.38 bdcom-0ubuntu3 failed to install/upgrade: bcmwl kernel module failed to build (Makefile: No such file or directory)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/841753 | 23:21 |
| cyphermox_ | SpamapS: could some of this delay come from the isc-dhcp delay changes, if those landed? | 23:21 |
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| SpamapS | cyphermox: yes and no.. | 23:36 |
| SpamapS | cyphermox: yes because the delay is now "to infinity and beyond", but no because failsafe.conf boots the system after 120 seconds.. so its really failsafe's problem now. :) | 23:36 |
| cyphermox | ok | 23:36 |
| cyphermox | failsafe.conf or whatever brings up the interfaces to specify a dhcp timeout? | 23:37 |
| cyphermox | well, taking off now, ttyl | 23:38 |
| SpamapS | cyphermox: thanks for the insight. :) | 23:50 |
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