[01:00] <pleia2> jdeslip: doh, I just realized bart isn't near the solano stroll :)
[01:00] <pleia2> jdeslip: is there parking?
[01:36] <pleia2> "Free shuttles run 10AM-7PM from the North Berkeley BART"
[01:36] <pleia2> oh, nice :)
[01:36] <pleia2> 10AM isn't really early enough to set up the booth, but maybe MJ can drop me off
[04:27] <jyo> Oh yeah, I should figure out my transportation as well. :)
[04:33] <jyo> Okay so the whole thing is 26 blocks? Where exactly are we?
[04:37] <pleia2> 1223 Solano Ave
[15:15] <philipballew> oh hey seidos
[16:10] <philipballew> Powers back!
[16:16] <akk> Interesting, the Almaden IBM PC club (normally totally Windows-oriented -- I'm on their list because I spoke there once about GIMP) has a speaker on Ubuntu this month. DeForrest Home is the speaker.
[16:51] <nhaines_> akk: oh, that's cool.
[18:04] <nhaines> pleia2: how's email going today?  :)
[18:48] <grantbow> akk: good catch
[18:55] <pleia2> nhaines: I hate spam
[18:58] <nhaines> pleia2: what about spam, spam, eggs, and spam?  That's not got much spam in it.
[18:58] <pleia2> I don't eat pork
[18:58] <pleia2> :)
[18:59] <nhaines> pleia2: if only bacon weren't so delicious!
[18:59] <pleia2> pepperoni is my weakness
[18:59] <rww> I don't like either of those things!
[19:00] <nhaines> rww: but you're weird!
[19:01] <akk> I like bacon okay, but don't really get why people seem to like it so much more than anything else.
[19:02] <nhaines> I ate a chocolate bar once that was fortified with bacon.
[19:02] <akk> bacon's usually way too fatty
[19:23] <nhaines> akk: I'm telling jono on you!
[19:25] <grantbow> bacon fatty? lol
[19:25] <grantbow> "So, how's everyone doing today?"
[19:27] <pleia2> grantbow: have you seen any zebras yet!?
[19:27] <pleia2> :)
[19:27] <pleia2> I saw an ocelot in phoenix! (it may have been in a zoo)
[19:27] <grantbow> yes, first thing I saw was a zebra near the airport but it was dark
[19:27] <grantbow> they were just wandering across the road
[19:27] <pleia2> yay!
[19:28] <grantbow> pictures next time
[19:28] <pleia2> :)
[19:28] <grantbow> finished second day here. I slept most of it.
[19:28] <grantbow> preparations there are for Solano Stroll?
[19:29] <pleia2> I think we're all set for the stroll
[19:29] <grantbow> good to hear
[19:32] <akk> Wow, wild zebras? Too cool!
[19:32]  * grantbow nods
[19:34] <jledbetter> awesome grantbow:)
[19:34] <grantbow> thanks jledbetter
[19:47] <DarkwingDuck> Hey grantbow
[19:50] <grantbow> hey DarkwingDuck
[20:49] <raevol> i am so bored
[21:35] <philipballew> hey! pleia2 your a mamber of the ubuntu beginners. how did you do that?
[21:35] <pleia2> philipballew: a long, long time ago they had a process where you apply at team meetings
[21:35] <rww> yeah, you're not a beginner, get out of there
[21:35] <philipballew> I was told a few weeks ago I should try to by someone
[21:35] <pleia2> it's all sort of fallen apart though
[21:38] <philipballew> rww, what am i? what would you say i should do. find another place to volunteer? pleia2
[21:38] <rww> philipballew: I was talking to pleia2 :P
[21:38] <philipballew> i have been looking for a good place to help out lately?
[21:39] <rww> (and joking)
[21:39] <philipballew> thats what i figured! :)
[21:39] <rww> I've barely stepped foot in #ubuntu-beginners, so... :|
[21:39] <pleia2> rww: haha, we *help* beginners :)
[21:40] <philipballew> rww, i feel like a begginner on here a lot. but in "real life" i am actually pretty good compared to most
[21:40] <rww> the more I use Ubuntu, the more I realize everyone's a beginner at way over half of Ubuntu.
[21:41]  * bkerensa saw a #ubuntu-beginners meeting once and it wasnt pretty
[21:41] <bkerensa> :D
[21:41] <rww> just different subsets, so people seem smart to each other :)
[21:41] <philipballew> i help people on there. usually at like 1 too 5 am
[21:41] <philipballew> when most people are being smart and sleeping
[21:42] <rww> I mainly have #ubuntu ops because I'm online when people are asleep :)
[21:42]  * philipballew didnt sleep last night as roaming a city with no power is more fun
[21:42] <rww> I was in a study room until 3am and then slumped back to my dorm room
[21:43] <philipballew> I have no school today. all classed canceled accross all of san diego!!!
[21:43]  * philipballew partyin partyin yeah!
[21:44] <philipballew> your area has been nice though lately i hear
[22:15] <raevol> pleia2: i heard you were an xubuntu user?
[22:17] <rww> I'm on Unity right now. I feel so mainstream :<
[22:18] <raevol> hahaha
[22:18] <raevol> how is it?
[22:18] <rww> fine, if I don't plug a second monitor in. if I do, compiz gets unhappy.
[22:18] <raevol> ick
[22:18] <rww> can't be bothered filing a bug about it, going to see if oneiric fixes it in a few months
[22:18] <raevol> i've been meaning to try it, but haven't mustered the motivation
[22:22] <raevol> i'm super excited for lightdm
[22:25] <rww> Why? It's like gdm except with less features :P
[22:26] <nhaines> rww: they have lots of nice Unity enhancements in oneiric.
[22:26] <rww> nhaines: yeah, I'm figuring between that and Xorg updates...
[22:27] <nhaines> rww: in fact, natty-updates include some Unity fixes for multimonitor setups.
[22:27] <nhaines> I ran dual monitors for my Ubuntu Community Week presentation.  Was suboptimal.  :)
[22:28] <raevol> i dunno i just am excited for lightdm :P i miss back when i used slim on debian
[22:28] <rww> nhaines: If I had to guess, I'd say it's a compiz <-> Xorg graphics glitch, rather than specifically a Unity UI bug
[22:28] <raevol> down with compiz :P
[22:29] <nhaines> raevol: lightdm is great except they had to load GTK drivers, reimplement accessibility and localization stuffs.
[22:29] <nhaines> When they're finished, they'll just have gdm again.
[22:29] <nhaines> But minus all of the lessons learned writing gdm.
[22:30] <pleia2> raevol: yep, xubuntu
[22:30] <raevol> me too, xubuntu
[22:30] <raevol> nhaines: hmm i see
[22:31] <rww> nhaines: exactly
[22:32] <akk> I wondered about that ... how it was lighter weight if it had a similar feature set.
[22:32] <nhaines> At least unity-greeter on lightdm is pretty.  Except the input fields are sort of wonky.
[22:33] <akk> If you're worried about gdm being too heavyweight, why use a dm at all?
[22:33] <nhaines> No insertion point (cursor) and your password just disappears when you hit enter.
[22:33] <nhaines> akk: because 'startx' is scary.  :)
[22:33] <rww> and why not refactor the problematic parts of gdm instead of starting from scratch?
[22:33] <nhaines> rww: because of reasons.
[22:36] <akk> Because it's way more fun to start from scratch than to try to figure out someone else's ugly broken code?
[22:36] <rww> true
[22:36] <nhaines> akk: that might be it.  :)
[22:49] <jyo> pleia2: Burned 60+ CDs for Sunday.
[22:49] <pleia2> jyo: yay! thank you
[22:49] <jyo> Now I need to print and fold 60+ cases. :)
[22:50] <pleia2> jyo: actually I have a bunch
[22:50] <pleia2> and I need to use them soon because they go obsolete soon
[22:50] <pleia2> so if you just want to bring the CDs I think we'll be good
[22:50] <pleia2> we can fold while we're there  at the booth :)
[23:20] <grantbow> pleia2 I burned a bunch of CDs for Sunday as well. They are in a box getting delivered to Ian Lynn today.
[23:20] <pleia2> grantbow: cool, thanks :)
[23:25] <bkerensa> =o
[23:26] <bkerensa> Somehow it seems cheaper to go to a CD printer and have them make labels and burn cds with Ubuntu then to buy from the Canonical store
[23:26] <bkerensa> =o
[23:27] <pleia2> cheaper still to have volunteers from the loco burn a bunch and use sleeves we designed: https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-california/+junk/2010branding-sleeves
[23:28] <nhaines> CD fabrication requires an economy of scale that doesn't economically exist for us.  :)
[23:28]  * pleia2 nods
[23:28] <pleia2> the pennsylvania loco had a team member with a huge burning machine that would burn like 100 cds at a time, but he didn't buy it for the loco, it was a work thing I think :)
[23:29] <grantbow> the quick cycles are why suse pulled their box sets from shelves years back
[23:30] <grantbow> Ernie wanted to build a burn machine for the loco. I would too.
[23:39] <nhaines> pleia2: you're right, I don't trust that philipballew either.
[23:39] <pleia2> hahaha
[23:41] <philipballew> philipballew, is a real loser :)
[23:41] <pleia2> philipballew is my BFF this week because he blogged about the san diego jam
[23:41] <pleia2> (hehe, "BFF this week")
[23:42] <philipballew> you used it or something :)
[23:42] <nhaines> hehe
[23:43]  * philipballew is always out of the loop :)
[23:44] <nhaines> philipballew: the joke is that (you can check the logs) no one was talking about you at all before you got here.  :)
[23:45] <nhaines> (in fact, we were talking about making Ubuntu CDs economically.)
[23:45] <pleia2> I am still excited about grantbow seeing zebras
[23:45] <pleia2> I'm telling everyone
[23:46]  * philipballew left his 100 pack of cd's at scale I hope they went to good use. I saw a zebra at the zoo here once. very nice
[23:46] <pleia2> philipballew: the ones that weren't given away at scale were given away at the noisebridge hackerspace, presumably all went to good use :)
[23:46] <pleia2> at least I didn't see any ISO castles
[23:47] <philipballew> excellent :) i have 2 in my dorm room. what does iso stand for?
[23:47] <philipballew> I had a job interview for a network maintainer for the school and they kept asking my computer acronyms like iso. that was one i did not know
[23:47] <pleia2> I suppose the proper term would be CDs
[23:48] <rww> ISO refers to the fact that proper .iso files are ISO-9660 file systems
[23:48] <rww> International Standards Organization
[23:48] <nhaines> ISO is a CD image, it refers to the fact that CDs use ISO-9660 as their file system.
[23:48] <nhaines> rww: get out of my head!
[23:48]  * philipballew was the only person when asked to name computer parts named raid cards. and even know what raid does
[23:48] <rww> well, International Organization for Standardization
[23:49] <philipballew> there is a organization for everything.
[23:49] <philipballew> there is even a organization that determines wifi standards as well
[23:50] <rww> someone's got to
[23:50] <bkerensa> pleia2: http://i.imgur.com/DLFRX.png <-- Our banner (proof)
[23:50] <bkerensa> =o
[23:50] <pleia2> bkerensa: nice :)
[23:50] <philipballew> i'll take the job. i will mandate all essid's be called phil
[23:50] <nhaines> bkerensa: Ubuntu font? :)
[23:51] <philipballew> "did you connect to phil yet? " "hold on a sec"
[23:51] <bkerensa> nhaines: Unfortunately Staples Banner Designer software does not offer that
[23:51] <bkerensa> :D
[23:51] <bkerensa> thats just a mock up
[23:52]  * bkerensa is gonna use Ubuntu font when he does it in gimp
[23:52] <nhaines> bkerensa: another good reason to use PDF.  ;)
[23:52] <philipballew> a local place would do it
[23:52] <nhaines> Noo!  Inkscape!
[23:52] <bkerensa> nhaines: Nooo
[23:52] <pleia2> yeah you want inkscape so you can do vector
[23:52] <bkerensa> Inkscape annoys me :P
[23:52] <bkerensa> LOL
[23:52] <nhaines> It is your destiny.
[23:52]  * nhaines breathes.
[23:52] <bkerensa> I cant do Inkscape
[23:52] <pleia2> ours was sent to the printer as a massive pdf exported from svg
[23:52] <bkerensa> any volunteers?
[23:52] <bkerensa> :D
[23:52] <bkerensa> everyone in our loco is coders :D
[23:52] <philipballew> do it all in blender bkerensa
[23:53] <nhaines> needs more lens flare.
[23:53] <pleia2> if I can do inkscape anyone can
[23:53] <pleia2> nhaines: hahaha
[23:53] <bkerensa> pleia2: This is totally not sexist but Women generally are more artistic then men
[23:53] <bkerensa> :)
[23:54] <bkerensa> that or I just lack the ability
[23:54] <bkerensa> :D
[23:54] <philipballew> all the women in my woodshop class's in hs kept putting out better things then me.
[23:54] <bkerensa> see!
[23:54] <bkerensa> my wooden bowl I made in woodshop was horrid
[23:54] <bkerensa> :D
[23:55] <philipballew> the ceramic tux penguin made in ceramics in hs though   AWESOME!!!!
[23:55] <bkerensa> I guess the issue I have with Inkscape is selecting layers
[23:55] <bkerensa> =/
[23:55] <bkerensa> Not as easy as Gimp
[23:55] <pleia2> bkerensa: haha, I like pink but I do NOT fulfill that stereotype
[23:55]  * pleia2 useless at art, can't even match clothes
[23:56] <bkerensa> ah jeez getting paged
[23:56] <nhaines> bkerensa: good news then because Inkscape doesn't have layers!  :D
[23:56]  * philipballew wore a pink shirt yesterday
[23:57] <bkerensa> nhaines: Ok elements or whatever? How do I select between a text element and a shape/image etc?
[23:57] <pleia2> click on it
[23:58] <nhaines> ^^ this
[23:58] <philipballew> just make it all in mircosoft publisher bkerensa :)
[23:59] <pleia2> now I'm really going to talk about philipballew behind his back
[23:59] <pleia2> (does publisher even exist anymore?)
[23:59] <philipballew> i was criticized last week for not knowing active directory. or .net