[01:15] <InHisName> waltman: yes, the tomtom gps mini size for mini price.
[01:16] <InHisName> Great for son who is map challenged, but don't wanna spend much $$ for that.
[01:16] <waltman> navigation's my superpower. I don't want one of those things.
[01:18] <InHisName> waltman: sleeping in flooded basement puddles DOES save travel time and avoids the sandy grit after the beach trip.   BUT no comparison to boogie boarding.
[01:19] <InHisName> Yes, I had 1" a bit more than Irene put in my basement.
[01:21]  * TheEvilPhoenix walks in with updated info regarding the conditions in Wilkes Barre and Harrisburg
[01:21] <TheEvilPhoenix> yes, PEMA briefs are boring
[01:21] <TheEvilPhoenix> but informative :P
[01:21] <TheEvilPhoenix> and i greet thee
[01:26] <TheEvilPhoenix> InHisName:  hopefully you're nice and dry :P
[01:30] <InHisName> mr`zilla: Biblical flooding   40 days x 24 hr x 60 min  24x7 ---- rain 29,800 ft x 12in/ft  comes out to approx 6" per minute rain fall.   Did someone get that HEAVY of a rain fall ?
[01:31] <MutantTurkey> ..
[01:33]  * TheEvilPhoenix yells randomly
[01:34] <MutantTurkey> WOOHOOOoo
[01:34] <InHisName> TheEvilPhoenix:  Yes, my basement is getting drier as it goes.   Humidity shot up over 70% on dehumidifier.  Now its below 60%. The floor is getting drier as time goes by.
[01:34] <MutantTurkey> my basement is borked.
[01:34] <TheEvilPhoenix> MutantTurkey:  where are ya in the state?
[01:34] <MutantTurkey> but I put  the A/C on and unattached all my vents, so the air is all going into the basement. seems affective
[01:34] <InHisName> Got out a wet-vac and the puddles disappeared very quickly.
[01:35] <MutantTurkey> TheEvilPhoenix: Phily Suburbs
[01:35] <TheEvilPhoenix> ah
[01:35] <TheEvilPhoenix> be glad you arent in harrisburg or wilkes berre
[01:35] <MutantTurkey> I am not glad
[01:35] <MutantTurkey> I would rather have legitimate flooding, have flood insurance, and then get my stuff back.
[01:35] <MutantTurkey> here they are just laughing at me.
[01:41] <InHisName> I didn't buy the optional flood insurance for rental property in Fla.  MutantTurkey
[01:44] <InHisName> They wanted $350/yr and I got quote from repair guys to 'replace' drywall wetted by flood of bottom 4" in house - $3500 and included new carpets,  same tile, parquet floor repaired.   I presented a hypethetical problem.  I was in the 100+ to 500 year flood zone (optional)
[01:44] <InHisName> No way was I expecting to do a flood claim EVERY 10 years.
[01:45] <InHisName> So in last 25 years I have had $0 in flood damages to claim on insurance I did NOT buy.
[01:47] <InHisName> Sooooo, I saved at least $10,500 and would have had $0 claims,  I WIN !!!
[02:24]  * InHisName says good nite you all.
[03:50] <mr`zilla> InHisName: Er, was just comedic exaggeration.
[08:01] <InHisName> Good morning everybody !!!
[09:35] <rmg51> morning
[09:41] <JonathanD> Morning.
[10:13] <InHisName> Morning rmg51 & JonathanD
[10:16] <rmg51> o/
[11:10] <MutantTurkey> top of the morning to ya folks
[11:27] <rmg51> o/
[11:27] <rmg51> bye
[11:27] <rmg51> time to head to work
[11:43] <jedijf> ChinnoDog: check out woot.com eink and tablet
[11:56] <JonathanD> I saw that.
[11:56] <JonathanD> But not sure how good it is :/
[12:16] <teddy-dbear> morning
[13:11] <InHisName> they mentioned eink doesn't have their estore or other offerings running anymore.   So must be an obsolete product already.
[15:36] <HowdyDoody> Arrrggghhh, I uninstalled vbox, linux-headers, and dkms, then rebooted.   Now garbage on screen. Seems stuck.
[15:37] <HowdyDoody> Now in recovery mode.  Not sure which way to turn.   Did pkg recovery.  Nothing that I could tell changed.   What next from recovery?
[15:37]  * TheEvilPhoenix sighs
[15:38] <TheEvilPhoenix> yet another day at PEMA
[15:38] <TheEvilPhoenix> >.>
[15:39] <HowdyDoody> Ok, tried resume, and got to assign password for ???, then logged in.   Text prompt.
[15:39] <HowdyDoody> What to look for to fix.
[17:01] <HowdyDoody> Now it boots to showing hdd and press any key to continue and continues without pressing any. Changes graphics scale for 5 seconds then NO MONITOR signal and everything stays dead.  No grub no nutthin'.   I guess its live CD time.  But what to look for and fix to at least boot grub  etc.?
[17:14] <TheEvilPhoenix> sounds like you have a uberfailed system
[17:35] <pleia2> Josephine_CoT: is there something you aren't telling us?
[17:36] <Josephine_CoT> pleia2, LOL
[17:37] <Josephine_CoT> the perils of signing on freenode for both linux and reddit stuff.
[17:37] <pleia2> :)
[17:37] <Josephine_CoT> Inside joke in reddit-philadelphia. Guys keep signing on looking for girls, so a few of us decided to run interference
[17:37] <pleia2> haha
[17:46] <teddy-dbear> the bear wants pictures of Josephine_CoT in a dress ;-)
[17:46] <Josephine_CoT> LOL
[19:00] <ChinnoDog> test
[19:01] <waltman> fail
[19:02] <ChinnoDog> :-(
[19:30] <MutantTurkey> subwoofer might be okay! I am hoping so.
[19:31] <MutantTurkey> This week will constitue a dramatic change in the running of my household. additional troops are being sent to gaurd the borders and to protect ourselves from invasion of the FLOOD forces.
[19:32] <MutantTurkey> the GOP has decided to pass the newest bill dubbed the "waterfront protection act" to help the nation become effective in PREVENTING and rapidly aiding sectors in need.
[19:32] <MutantTurkey> we NEED to pass this bill
[19:32] <MutantTurkey> I reiterate, we NEED to pass this bil..
[19:32] <MutantTurkey> thank you, goodnight.
[19:35] <ChinnoDog> gobble gobble
[19:47] <MutantTurkey> ChinnoDog: you are barking up the wrong tree
[19:48] <MutantTurkey> just tuck your tail and run
[19:48] <MutantTurkey> Hey someone is ringing the door bell!
[19:48] <MutantTurkey> you've got really bad dog-breath
[19:48]  * TheEvilPhoenix walks in carrying a map, a phone, a computer, and a blackberry smartphone
[19:48] <MutantTurkey> TheEvilPhoenix: the ironic part is that they all can serve as a navigation device.
[19:49] <TheEvilPhoenix> MutantTurkey:  the serious part is that i'm at PEMA tracking the storms in PA and the flooding and what not
[19:49] <TheEvilPhoenix> so all this gear has a purpose
[19:49] <MutantTurkey> Pennsylvania Emergency M___ A____?
[19:50] <TheEvilPhoenix> management agency
[19:50] <TheEvilPhoenix> central PA hq
[19:50] <TheEvilPhoenix> what with the EOCs at Level I (Disaster Conditions), its a secured building :P
[19:50] <MutantTurkey> I see.
[19:52] <MutantTurkey> is it G - classfied?
[19:52] <TheEvilPhoenix> go read the news, you'd see its not
[19:52] <TheEvilPhoenix> gov just was on TV
[19:52] <MutantTurkey> bad rush hour joke...
[19:53] <MutantTurkey> I don't have a telly
[20:03] <HowdyDoody> how to tell which linux / ubuntu version I am running ?
[20:05] <pleia2> for ubuntu, cat /etc/lsb-release
[20:05] <jedijf> lsb_release -a
[20:05] <pleia2> yeah, that too
[20:06] <jedijf> cat /proc/version
[20:06] <jedijf> that too
[20:06] <HowdyDoody> how to find 2.6.38.09 or whatever
[20:06] <MutantTurkey> uname -a
[20:06] <MutantTurkey> isn't that it
[20:06] <HowdyDoody> ok
[20:06] <MutantTurkey> uname -a
[20:07] <pleia2> yeah, that's how to find the kernel version
[20:07] <jedijf> uname -a will work too
[20:07] <MutantTurkey> pleia2: does ubuntu actually have it's own command for that?
[20:07] <jedijf> rmg knows clicky way
[20:07] <MutantTurkey> I have no seen the lsb.. anywhere else?
[20:07] <MutantTurkey> well actually now that I think about it, arch isn't versioned...
[20:07] <pleia2> lsb is not uncommon
[20:07] <pleia2> ubuntu just comes with it by default and uses it
[20:07] <MutantTurkey> hmmm I wonder what provides it.
[20:08] <pleia2> lsb - Linux Standard Base 3.2 support package
[20:08] <pleia2> ^^ on my debian system
[20:08] <MutantTurkey> let me try and sync it
[20:08] <pleia2> but it's not used by default in debian
[20:08] <MutantTurkey> don't have it weird
[20:08] <pleia2> ii  lsb-release                           4.0-0ubuntu11                                Linux Standard Base version reporting utility
[20:08] <pleia2> in ubuntu 11.04
[20:09] <MutantTurkey> anyway that's actually quite usful.
[20:09] <HowdyDoody> I've rebooted and my system lost Unity and reverted to older interface/desktop.   BUT it IS 11.04
[20:09] <pleia2> HowdyDoody: it'll do that if it has trouble loading Unity
[20:09] <MutantTurkey> somethign about hardware detection...
[20:09] <HowdyDoody> Is there a switch to flic it back ?
[20:09] <pleia2> HowdyDoody: when you log in you can select which session to use
[20:10] <HowdyDoody> I'll check ...
[20:12] <HowdyDoody> I see ubuntu, ubuntu classic, ubuntu safe mode, etc.    No UNITY mentions.
[20:12] <MutantTurkey> wouldn't ubuntu (being the default) be unity *also the default*
[20:13] <pleia2> yep, ubuntu
[20:13] <HowdyDoody> Seems to be the default selection.   I'll try it but I thought I was in default.
[20:13] <pleia2> again, if there are any problems with your graphics card or configuration it will fail back to classic
[20:14] <pleia2> so if selecting "ubuntu" puts you into classic something is broken
[20:14] <HowdyDoody> Nope, just plain vanilla
[20:14] <HowdyDoody> My fan died on the monitor card.   I finally drilled a hole and oiled it.  Now working again.
[20:15] <jedijf> [jimf@arch_desktop ~]$ cat /proc/version
[20:15] <jedijf> Linux version 3.0-ARCH (thomas@evey) (gcc version 4.6.1 (GCC) ) #1 SMP PREEMPT Sat Aug 6 16:18:35 CEST 2011
[20:15] <jedijf> [jimf@arch_desktop ~]$ uname -a
[20:15] <jedijf> Linux arch_desktop 3.0-ARCH #1 SMP PREEMPT Sat Aug 6 16:18:35 CEST 2011 x86_64 Intel(R) Pentium(R) CPU E5700 @ 3.00GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux
[20:15] <jedijf> MutantTurkey: yeah no lsb package by default
[20:15] <MutantTurkey> hurmmm
[20:16] <MutantTurkey> Linux home 3.0-ARCH #1 SMP PREEMPT Tue Aug 30 08:53:25 CEST 2011 x86_64 Intel(R) Atom(TM) CPU 330 @ 1.60GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux
[20:16] <jedijf> [jimf@arch_desktop ~]$ pacman -Ss lsb
[20:16] <jedijf> community/lsb-release 1.4-10 LSB version query program
[20:16] <MutantTurkey> ah very counter intuitively named.
[20:16] <MutantTurkey> wonder who maintains it.
[20:17] <HowdyDoody> How to UNDO this unity reversal of default
[20:17] <MutantTurkey> probably falconindy lol.
[20:19] <jedijf> HowdyDoody: log out. from seesion switcher choose Ubuntu.
[20:19] <jedijf> session
[20:20] <jedijf> or try a shutdown and restart, to see if your drilling for oil job worked and the card is recognized
[20:21] <HowdyDoody> I did log out and choose unbuntu   (plain)  no classic or such.   Gave me classic.   Used to be untiy was default.
[20:21] <HowdyDoody> This is 5th boot up.
[20:21] <jedijf> no unity for you
[20:22] <HowdyDoody> Used to be fine
[20:22] <MutantTurkey> HowdyDoody: can you override it by deleting conf files?
[20:22] <jedijf> this is the future
[20:22] <HowdyDoody> It sees my Dell 22" monitor just fine.
[20:22] <MutantTurkey> how do they decide on the session?
[20:22] <MutantTurkey> somewhere hidden in the gconf2 hell
[20:22] <jedijf> not monitor graphics adapter
[20:23] <MutantTurkey> its looking for your Graphics Adapter
[20:23] <MutantTurkey> jedijf: how is the randr support with unity?
[20:24] <jedijf> xrandr is the way to go iirc
[20:24] <jedijf> 1104 is home
[20:24] <jedijf> i am in office.....11.04 is only on my netty
[20:26] <jedijf> HowdyDoody: lspci and google which module you /should/ use then lsmod and see which it is using and go from there
[20:26] <MutantTurkey> I meant, how is the xrandr support
[20:26] <MutantTurkey> is there a nice dialog or anything?
[20:26] <jedijf> no
[20:26] <MutantTurkey> :|
[20:26] <MutantTurkey> remember Trinity i keep mentioning?
[20:26] <MutantTurkey> we just got awesome xrandr support, I am really excited to see what people make of it.
[20:27] <jedijf> VGA connected 1280x1024+0+0 (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) 320mm x 240mm 1280x1024      60.0*
[20:27] <jedijf> more than that?
[20:27] <jedijf> or were you expecting hand holding
[20:28] <jedijf> like, your card is lame...please upgrade card to experience unity
[20:28] <jedijf> thanks, mark s
[20:28] <MutantTurkey> jedijf: confused.
[20:28] <MutantTurkey> we have a k control module that adds really easily workable xrandr support
[20:29] <jedijf> well for HowdyDoody ; if nothing really changed hardwarewise, i can only surmise wrong module installed
[20:31] <jedijf> or do you have any water in basement, put desktop in water and see if unity loads
[20:31] <jedijf> reverse flood damage
[20:34] <MutantTurkey> I can confirm positive results.
[20:35] <jedijf> dpkg -l | grep unity
[20:36] <jedijf> he was deleting stuff earlier in the day
[20:36] <HowdyDoody> tried booting with ubuntu choice, then user defined   --- both gave classic
[20:36] <jedijf> dpkg -l | grep unity
[20:36] <jedijf> HowdyDoody: waht does ^^^ output?
[20:36] <HowdyDoody> is that - letter ell ?
[20:37] <jedijf> oy vey
[20:37] <HowdyDoody> ok off to try
[20:38] <jedijf> do this, this should fix all sudo aptitude install ubuntu-desktop
[20:39] <HowdyDoody> a bunch of stuff   highest # seen   3.8.16  2 places
[20:41] <HowdyDoody> Install desktop on top of what ever is already there ?   No UNinstall first ?
[20:42] <jedijf> reinstall if it makes you feel better
[20:42] <jedijf> sudo aptitude reinstall ubuntu-desktop
[20:57] <HowdyDoody> rebooted from power off,  selected 'ubuntu' session and logged in
[20:58] <HowdyDoody> Got classic still
[20:58] <jedijf> driver issue then if it worked previously
[21:00] <jedijf> cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[21:00] <jedijf> for clues
[21:02] <HowdyDoody> I tried switching to kde,   but went black with mouse arrow.   "building desktop search" it said briefly.
[21:03] <MutantTurkey> yeah.. I have had a bunch of problems with kdes file searching thinger
[21:03] <HowdyDoody> may have long wait to get to logs
[21:03] <MutantTurkey> it just cycles my cpu like a beast.
[21:04] <HowdyDoody> didn't give option to skip either
[21:05] <HowdyDoody> I'll go do other things. Maybe something will happen when I don't watch.
[21:05] <jedijf> or now's the time to try lubuntu-desktop !
[21:12] <MutantTurkey> how is lubuntu
[21:12] <MutantTurkey> is it still just openbox + a few disjointed apps slapped together and a panel?
[21:12] <MutantTurkey> or is it legit?
[21:12] <MutantTurkey> I got a very much of a "just openbox, a desktop, and a panel. all very seperated
[21:12] <MutantTurkey> kind of a feel
[21:12] <MutantTurkey> that was maybe 2 years ago
[21:28] <ChinnoDog> I noticed there still isn't a PennBot
[21:28] <jedijf> MutantTurkey: same, it's been that long for me
[21:29] <pleia2> there is a known vulnerability with supybots that was causing it to eat all the CPU, I don't really want supybots running on that server anyway (on good days they use too much ram)
[21:33] <MutantTurkey> supybot hmmm
[21:34] <MutantTurkey> I work with one team that uses mozbot and I find it terrible.
[21:34] <MutantTurkey> i always though supybot was good.
[21:34] <MutantTurkey> maybe thats just because the logs are lightyears head of mozbots log system...
[21:35] <MutantTurkey> one thing about unity I am really jelly is the top bar integration, I've been trying to get top bar integration for ages and its just a pain in the arse with gtk patches that don't work
[21:40] <jedijf> supy_hate--
[21:41] <jedijf> jimf     12943  0.0  0.6  50268 13732 pts/2    S+   Aug14  31:10 /usr/bin/python /usr/local/bin/supybot PacsBot.conf
[21:58] <Joe_CoT> pleia2, is supybot no longer developed? why hasn't the vulnerability been fixed?
[21:58] <pleia2> Joe_CoT: it's fixed in a patch in git, but all the versions in ubuntu, etc are broken
[21:59] <pleia2> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/09/09/%23ubuntu-irc.html#t19:28
[22:30] <ChinnoDog> gobble gobble
[22:31] <MutantTurkey> you're barking up the wrong tree
[22:31] <MutantTurkey> tuck your tail and run