| magespawn | top of the morning to y'all. | 05:23 |
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| superfly | hiya magespawn | 05:34 |
| magespawn | TGIF!! | 05:47 |
| nuvolari | o/ mornings | 05:58 |
| sakhi | morning nuvolari | 05:59 |
| sakhi | Mornings | 06:00 |
| Kilos | morning all and superfly | 06:00 |
| Kilos | lo nuvolari sakhi | 06:00 |
| Kilos | eish | 06:00 |
| Kilos | hi magespawn | 06:00 |
| scar[w] | morning | 06:01 |
| Kilos | hey scar[w] | 06:01 |
| magespawn | look like a nice morning group | 06:06 |
| superfly | hi Kilos, sakhi and scar[w] | 06:07 |
| superfly | Well, apart from the catastrophe that is Kmail+Akonadi+Nepomuk, Kubuntu 11.10 is nice | 06:08 |
| scar[w] | morning superfly | 06:12 |
| magespawn | i have a pc with win 2000 on it. generic question what would be the 'best' linux to run? | 06:15 |
| superfly | magespawn: probably one of the lighter distros | 06:16 |
| magespawn | like puppy or dsl? or are they too light on programs? | 06:17 |
| superfly | magespawn: well, I don't know about a particular distribution, but something based on LXDE or XFCE would be a lot lighter than Gnome or KDE | 06:19 |
| superfly | magespawn: you could also run a tiling DE like xmonad or awesome | 06:21 |
| nuvolari | mornings sakhi , oom Kilos, superfly, scar[w], magespawn | 06:21 |
| superfly | hi nuvolari | 06:21 |
| scar[w] | morning nuvolari | 06:22 |
| magespawn | hi nuvolari | 06:22 |
| magespawn | ty superfly. a starting point is worth a lot. | 06:23 |
| scar[w] | magespawn: Xubuntu uses XFCE where Lubuntu uses LXDE | 06:23 |
| superfly | magespawn: for *really* lightweight, you can use Fluxbox or similar | 06:24 |
| magespawn | i think the Xubuntu will be the first try. not going to go too far from what is known for now. | 06:29 |
| nuvolari | ye, Openbox is a nice lightweight bare minimal way to go | 06:35 |
| magespawn | will have a look. the machine only 246 mb of ram. | 06:49 |
| superfly | ohi morgs | 07:13 |
| morgs | hey superfly | 07:13 |
| morgs | morning | 07:13 |
| Kilos | can someone tell me where to get vlc-plugin-esd | 07:18 |
| Kilos | please | 07:18 |
| Kilos | i have this command but page not found it says | 07:18 |
| Kilos | sudo apt-get install vlc vlc-plugin-esd mozilla-plugin-vlc | 07:18 |
| Kilos | and i tried googling but no luck | 07:19 |
| Kilos | it seems to be needed to play .mkv files | 07:20 |
| superfly | Kilos: why? | 07:21 |
| superfly | Kilos: the vlc-plugin-esd is for sound, not video | 07:21 |
| superfly | and you aren't running esd, so you don't need it | 07:21 |
| sakhi | hey superfly how goes? | 07:21 |
| superfly | sakhi: alright, and you? | 07:21 |
| sakhi | good thanks | 07:22 |
| Kilos | i googled how to play .mkv files and got lotsa info | 07:22 |
| Kilos | i here the sound but no vid | 07:22 |
| Kilos | and got all plugins in synaptic | 07:22 |
| superfly | Kilos: well, that plugin definitely won't help | 07:22 |
| Kilos | ian brought me 40g of movies in that stupid format | 07:23 |
| superfly | Kilos: also, mkv is just a container, it doesn't dictate what format that video is | 07:23 |
| Kilos | here is the site that said thats whats needed | 07:23 |
| Kilos | http://ubuntuguide.net/how-to-play-mkv-files-in-ubuntu | 07:24 |
| Kilos | am i missing something | 07:24 |
| Kilos | as usual | 07:24 |
| superfly | oom, what version of Ubuntu are you using? | 07:25 |
| Kilos | maverick superfly | 07:25 |
| superfly | Kilos: that's 9.10, hey? | 07:25 |
| Kilos | 10.10 | 07:25 |
| superfly | oh | 07:25 |
| Kilos | i can see all other videos and even dvds i copied from boets pc | 07:26 |
| superfly | Kilos: you need to open the file in VLC, and then go and look that the "codecs information" and see what it says | 07:26 |
| Kilos | ok i go try find that ty superfly | 07:26 |
| superfly | Kilos: all that guys is saying is, "if you want to watch mkv files, install VLC" | 07:27 |
| Kilos | oh that esd plugin isnt important | 07:27 |
| Kilos | i looked at other pages and they say use handbrake and other stuff | 07:28 |
| Kilos | handbrake is a converter looks like that will take over 11 hours per i hours movie | 07:28 |
| Kilos | another site said you need a media splitter but i dont see one for maverick | 07:29 |
| Kilos | get stuff like how to install ubuntu | 07:29 |
| Squirm | morning | 07:29 |
| Kilos | been there done that | 07:29 |
| Kilos | lol | 07:29 |
| Kilos | hi Squirm \ | 07:29 |
| kbmonkey | hello Kilos and superfly and Squirm | 07:31 |
| kbmonkey | whats up | 07:31 |
| * Squirm looks up | 07:34 | |
| Squirm | ...white ceiling by the looks of things | 07:34 |
| Kilos | lo0 kb | 07:34 |
| Kilos | grr | 07:34 |
| Kilos | lo kbmonkey | 07:35 |
| Kilos | hehe | 07:35 |
| superfly | hi kbmonkey, Squirm | 07:44 |
| octoquad | Morning all! What a beautiful day :) | 09:53 |
| sakhi | morning octoquad | 09:59 |
| superfly | hiya octoquad | 10:23 |
| Kilos- | hi locodir-user | 11:00 |
| Kilos- | hey octoquad | 11:00 |
| Kilos- | wb morgs | 11:00 |
| octoquad | hey sakhi superfly Kilos- | 11:19 |
| octoquad | When's the next meet btw? | 11:19 |
| superfly | Software Freedom Day is happening soon | 11:20 |
| octoquad | cool, what do you guys normally do for that day? | 11:21 |
| superfly | look on softwarefreedomday.org | 11:21 |
| superfly | octoquad: are you on the ubuntu-za mailing list? | 11:23 |
| octoquad | um, let me check... | 11:23 |
| octoquad | I think i registered with an old e-mail address... | 11:23 |
| superfly | octoquad: whereabouts are you from? | 11:24 |
| octoquad | in durban | 11:24 |
| octoquad | and you? | 11:24 |
| octoquad | ok signed up | 11:26 |
| octoquad | If you guys need help with HTML/CSS/PHP/MySQL give me a shout | 11:26 |
| octoquad | *crickets* | 11:31 |
| Kilos- | nuvolari, here another durbanite to join you guys | 11:36 |
| superfly | octoquad: sorry, I'm at work, I can't always answer ;-) | 11:36 |
| superfly | octoquad: I'm from Cape Town | 11:37 |
| superfly | oh, and octoquad, I moved away from PHP, to a real programming language, Python. | 11:37 |
| Squirm2 | python++ | 11:38 |
| * Squirm2 eyes Maaz | 11:38 | |
| Squirm2 | tracey | 11:39 |
| Squirm2 | wrong window | 11:39 |
| octoquad | superfly, that's my next step, I read about two chapters from my Python 3 book. | 11:40 |
| Squirm2 | haven't even seen python 3 | 11:40 |
| superfly | octoquad: www.byteofpython.info | 11:40 |
| superfly | octoquad: but first read up on Python 2 - Python 3 is hardly used | 11:40 |
| octoquad | yeah but a lot of the python 2 scripts can be converted to 3. There's a script for that. | 11:42 |
| octoquad | in ruby devs here? That's another one I would like to get into especially with rails | 11:45 |
| octoquad | in = any | 11:45 |
| morgs | python scripts can be converted to 3, but... something the size of Django... is going to live on Python2 for quite a while yet. | 11:46 |
| morgs | Another +1 for python, BTW | 11:46 |
| octoquad | yup | 11:48 |
| superfly | octoquad: unless you're making insignificantly sized applications, don't bother with RoR - it doesn't scale | 11:53 |
| drubin | superfly: how does Django scale better? | 11:56 |
| drubin | or any of the python frameworks for that matter | 11:56 |
| superfly | drubin: well, I have my own thoughts on Django, but Dropbox is written in Python/Pylons, and I'd say they seem OK | 11:58 |
| drubin | superfly: twitter was written in RoR | 11:58 |
| superfly | drubin: yes, and they had scalability issues, which is why the only thing left running RoR at Twitter is their web frontend | 11:58 |
| drubin | I am sorry but I don't by that argument | 11:59 |
| drubin | superfly: I wonder how much of the backend of Dropbox is still written in python? | 11:59 |
| octoquad | http://www.buildingwebapps.com/articles/6419-can-rails-scale-absolutely | 12:00 |
| drubin | superfly: facebooks front end is still php | 12:01 |
| octoquad | Facebook is working with Joyent to support Rails apps on their platform. | 12:02 |
| octoquad | from the above link i posted | 12:02 |
| octoquad | and its old. Article written in 2008 | 12:02 |
| superfly | drubin: yes, but PHP does scale | 12:03 |
| drubin | haha | 12:03 |
| octoquad | it's been around longer than RoR | 12:04 |
| morgs | drubin: we make Django scale by using nginx, haproxy, memcached, and in general trying not to touch the database unnecessarily. Those are all pretty language-agnostic. | 12:05 |
| drubin | morgs: that was my point | 12:05 |
| * morgs kicks off an oneiric upgrade on a spare machine | 12:05 | |
| superfly | morgs: what do you use to run Django on nginx? | 12:05 |
| morgs | superfly: used to use fcgi, now uwsgi | 12:06 |
| superfly | morgs, drubin: I had to reverse proxy nginx<->apache+mod_wsgi for a django to make it not kill my server | 12:06 |
| superfly | where my Pylons apps running on mod_wsgi were fine | 12:06 |
| superfly | *a django app | 12:06 |
| morgs | superfly: or gunicorn - on some sites | 12:07 |
| drubin | superfly: My point was that octoquad possibly doesn't need twitter scale | 12:08 |
| morgs | superfly: I'm not the best person for the details on this - I get a bit abstracted away from the code these days - but we've run some load tests | 12:08 |
| superfly | drubin: that was my point too | 12:08 |
| morgs | even plone can scale if you put enough reverse proxy/cache in front of it... :-P | 12:09 |
| superfly | scaling in my eyes means not throwing more hardware and apps at it | 12:10 |
| morgs | as my CS prof once said, even on a Pentium, a bubble sort is still a bad idea | 12:13 |
| superfly | hehehehe | 12:13 |
| superfly | morgs: have you read this? http://blog.dscpl.com.au/search/label/nginx | 12:15 |
| superfly | whoops, let's get the actual url | 12:16 |
| superfly | morgs: http://blog.dscpl.com.au/2009/05/blocking-requests-and-nginx-version-of.html | 12:16 |
| morgs | bye Vhata | 12:16 |
| morgs | superfly: we only started using uwsgi lately when it got into the upstream nginx. We're using our own nginx package anyway, as we have a nifty mobile handset detector in lua which checks the user agent against wurfl in redis to know if it's a low, mid or high end phone | 12:18 |
| superfly | ok, cool | 12:18 |
| superfly | morgs: I don't think uWSGI and mod_wsgi for nginx are the same | 12:19 |
| morgs | yeah | 12:19 |
| superfly | that's just a good blog post for thinking about how your server handles Python apps | 12:20 |
| Vhata | drubin, morgs, highvoltage: why are we being sent random requests for packaging help? | 13:12 |
| morgs | Vhata: ? | 13:13 |
| Vhata | check your mail | 13:13 |
| drubin | Vhata: yes | 13:16 |
| drubin | not really sure where he picked up your details though | 13:16 |
| highvoltage | I think I might have accidentally deleted it | 13:16 |
| morgs | Vhata: checked various mailboxes, nothing found. Who sent it? | 13:16 |
| drubin | @ubuntu.com | 13:17 |
| drubin | intersting enough he left off the one person that might have actually helped packaged it | 13:17 |
| highvoltage | ah there it is | 13:18 |
| highvoltage | my guess is that he got the details somewhere from an ubuntu-za page/list/something | 13:19 |
| Vhata | morgs: To: morgan@ubuntu.com | 13:21 |
| Vhata | morgs: From: Dash Shendy <neuromancer@dash.za.net> | 13:21 |
| morgs | Vhata: thanks, hmm, not found. Perhaps my @ubuntu.com alias is forwarding to an old address from before it was launchpad-managed. | 13:22 |
| highvoltage | want me to reply? | 13:28 |
| Vhata | yes please | 13:30 |
| highvoltage | morgs: <morgan@mcode.co.za> (expanded from <morgan@ubuntu.com>): Host or domain name not found. Name service error for name=mcode.co.za type=A: Host not found | 13:36 |
| Vhata | ;; AUTHORITY SECTION: | 13:40 |
| Vhata | co.za.10800INSOAns.coza.net.za. this-is-probably-not-the-email-address-you-are-looking-for.co.za. 1110909063 28800 7200 2592000 28800 | 13:40 |
| Vhata | heh | 13:41 |
| morgs | heh | 13:41 |
| * morgs goes to look for #canonical-sysadmin or something | 13:41 | |
| morgs | "Your Ubuntu membership will expire in 2 years. You'll recive an automatic email for renove, then your Ubuntu email will be for always." | 13:43 |
| morgs | Maybe I didn't "renove" | 13:43 |
| * morgs mails rt@ubuntu.com | 13:46 | |
| drubin | morgs: you aren't a member of ubuntumembers any more | 13:47 |
| morgs | drubin: orly | 13:48 |
| * morgs checks | 13:48 | |
| drubin | it expired | 13:48 |
| drubin | highvoltage: can we re-approve him with out a meeting? | 13:48 |
| morgs | rats, then I definitely forgot to "renove" | 13:48 |
| highvoltage | drubin: yes, just put in the comment that he didn't get the email notification for renewal and that he requested renewal (assuming he did so) | 13:49 |
| morgs | plus, the page lies - I've extended my membership before, so it clearly isn't "for always" | 13:49 |
| morgs | wow, you guys have sudo powers these days | 13:49 |
| drubin | "Morgan Collett is already approved as a member of the team." | 13:49 |
| drubin | their stupid picker is broken | 13:49 |
| highvoltage | Morgan Collett 2007-03-20 - 2013-09-08: Approved | 13:51 |
| morgs | ja, the mail problem is because I got my @ubuntu mail before membership - so it's probably in some other aliases file before it hits launchpad | 13:51 |
| superfly | dash shendy? | 14:25 |
| superfly | Vhata, highvoltage, morgs: at a guess, based on a short working stint with Dash, he got your details from some DNS records or somesuch other weird place | 14:26 |
| octoquad | cheers guys, have a great weekend! | 14:44 |
| === nlsthzn_ is now known as nlsthzn_work | ||
| Vhata | DNS records? | 15:33 |
| tumbleweed | that's a pretty wierd place to find someone to help you with packaging | 15:40 |
| Vhata | more did you 'recive' an automatic email? | 15:45 |
| Vhata | err. morgs. he's gone. tab-completion fail. | 15:45 |
| tumbleweed | expiriing membership e-mails were broken for a while | 15:53 |
| Kilos | evenening everyone | 17:45 |
| Kilos | evening as well | 17:45 |
| superfly | hi Kilos | 17:45 |
| Kilos | worked out how to fix them movies superfly | 17:54 |
| Kilos | use mmc to convert them to .mpg then they play lekker with vlc | 17:55 |
| Kilos | but takes like 4 hours per movie | 17:55 |
| Kilos | they no actually movies but the series Stargate | 17:57 |
| Kilos | hiya nlsthzn howzit there | 17:58 |
| Kilos | Maaz, coffee on | 18:17 |
| * Maaz flips the salt-timer | 18:17 | |
| Maaz | Coffee's ready for Kilos! | 18:21 |
| Kilos | Maaz, dankie man | 18:22 |
| Maaz | Groot plesier my vriend | 18:22 |
| Kilos | night all. sleep tight | 19:40 |
| nlsthzn_work | Maaz: tell kilos, sorry I missed you online tonight uncle Kilos, I was @ work and you pinged the wrong account :p | 19:46 |
| Maaz | nlsthzn_work: I don't know who kilos, is. Say 'kilos, on freenode' and I'll take your word that kilos, exists | 19:46 |
| nlsthzn_work | Maaz: tell Kilos, sorry I missed you online tonight uncle Kilos, I was @ work and you pinged the wrong account :p | 19:46 |
| Maaz | nlsthzn_work: I don't know who Kilos, is. Say 'Kilos, on freenode' and I'll take your word that Kilos, exists | 19:46 |
| nlsthzn_work | Maaz: tell Kilos on freenode, sorry I missed you online tonight uncle Kilos, I was @ work and you pinged the wrong account :p | 19:46 |
| Maaz | nlsthzn_work: Got it, I'll tell Kilos on freenode | 19:46 |
| nlsthzn_work | Sheese :p | 19:46 |
| JabberwockyA19 | Maaz: coffee | 20:40 |
| Maaz | JabberwockyA19: What? | 20:40 |
| JabberwockyA19 | Maaz: coffee please | 20:41 |
| Maaz | JabberwockyA19: There isn't a pot on | 20:41 |
| superfly | hi JabberwockyA19, how's your beta going? | 21:29 |
| superfly | nlsthzn_work: the coma | 21:29 |
| superfly | *comma | 21:29 |
| superfly | "I don't know who kilos, is." <- see the comma? | 21:30 |
| nlsthzn_work | superfly: oh crap lol... didn't see that >.< | 21:30 |
| JabberwockyA19 | loving oneiric, just about to start mirrorbuild.sh and go to bed | 21:30 |
| * nlsthzn_work is back on natty... will give the cat another spin once it releases :) | 21:30 | |
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