[05:23] <magespawn> top of the morning to y'all.
[05:34] <superfly> hiya magespawn
[05:47] <magespawn> TGIF!!
[05:58] <nuvolari> o/ mornings
[05:59] <sakhi> morning nuvolari 
[06:00] <sakhi> Mornings
[06:00] <Kilos> morning all and superfly 
[06:00] <Kilos> lo nuvolari sakhi 
[06:00] <Kilos> eish
[06:00] <Kilos> hi magespawn 
[06:01] <scar[w]> morning
[06:01] <Kilos> hey scar[w] 
[06:06] <magespawn> look like a nice morning group
[06:07] <superfly> hi Kilos, sakhi and scar[w]
[06:08] <superfly> Well, apart from the catastrophe that is Kmail+Akonadi+Nepomuk, Kubuntu 11.10 is nice
[06:12] <scar[w]> morning superfly
[06:15] <magespawn> i have a pc with win 2000 on it. generic question what would be the 'best' linux to run?
[06:16] <superfly> magespawn: probably one of the lighter distros
[06:17] <magespawn> like puppy or dsl? or are they too light on programs?
[06:19] <superfly> magespawn: well, I don't know about a particular distribution, but something based on LXDE or XFCE would be a lot lighter than Gnome or KDE
[06:21] <superfly> magespawn: you could also run a tiling DE like xmonad or awesome
[06:21] <nuvolari> mornings sakhi , oom Kilos, superfly, scar[w], magespawn 
[06:21] <superfly> hi nuvolari
[06:22] <scar[w]> morning nuvolari
[06:22] <magespawn> hi nuvolari
[06:23] <magespawn> ty superfly. a starting point is worth a lot.
[06:23] <scar[w]> magespawn: Xubuntu uses XFCE where Lubuntu uses LXDE
[06:24] <superfly> magespawn: for *really* lightweight, you can use Fluxbox or similar
[06:29] <magespawn> i think the Xubuntu will be the first try. not going to go too far from what is known for now.
[06:35] <nuvolari> ye, Openbox is a nice lightweight bare minimal way to go
[06:49] <magespawn> will have a look. the machine only 246 mb of ram.
[07:13] <superfly> ohi morgs
[07:13] <morgs> hey superfly 
[07:13] <morgs> morning
[07:18] <Kilos> can someone tell me where to get vlc-plugin-esd
[07:18] <Kilos>  please
[07:18] <Kilos> i have this command but page not found it says
[07:18] <Kilos>  sudo apt-get install vlc vlc-plugin-esd mozilla-plugin-vlc
[07:19] <Kilos> and i tried googling but no luck
[07:20] <Kilos> it seems to be needed to play .mkv files
[07:21] <superfly> Kilos: why?
[07:21] <superfly> Kilos: the vlc-plugin-esd is for sound, not video
[07:21] <superfly> and you aren't running esd, so you don't need it
[07:21] <sakhi> hey superfly how goes?
[07:21] <superfly> sakhi: alright, and you?
[07:22] <sakhi> good thanks
[07:22] <Kilos> i googled how to play .mkv files and got lotsa info
[07:22] <Kilos> i here the sound but no vid
[07:22] <Kilos> and got all plugins in synaptic
[07:22] <superfly> Kilos: well, that plugin definitely won't help
[07:23] <Kilos> ian brought me 40g of movies in that stupid format
[07:23] <superfly> Kilos: also, mkv is just a container, it doesn't dictate what format that video is
[07:23] <Kilos> here is the site that said thats whats needed
[07:24] <Kilos> http://ubuntuguide.net/how-to-play-mkv-files-in-ubuntu
[07:24] <Kilos> am i missing something
[07:24] <Kilos> as usual
[07:25] <superfly> oom, what version of Ubuntu are you using?
[07:25] <Kilos> maverick superfly 
[07:25] <superfly> Kilos: that's 9.10, hey?
[07:25] <Kilos> 10.10
[07:25] <superfly> oh
[07:26] <Kilos> i can see all other videos and even dvds i copied from boets pc
[07:26] <superfly> Kilos: you need to open the file in VLC, and then go and look that the "codecs information" and see what it says
[07:26] <Kilos> ok i go try find that ty superfly 
[07:27] <superfly> Kilos: all that guys is saying is, "if you want to watch mkv files, install VLC"
[07:27] <Kilos> oh that esd plugin isnt important
[07:28] <Kilos> i looked at other pages and they say use handbrake and other stuff
[07:28] <Kilos> handbrake is a converter looks like that will take over 11 hours per i hours movie
[07:29] <Kilos> another site said you need a media splitter but i dont see one for maverick
[07:29] <Kilos> get stuff like how to install ubuntu
[07:29] <Squirm> morning
[07:29] <Kilos> been there done that
[07:29] <Kilos> lol
[07:29] <Kilos> hi Squirm \
[07:31] <kbmonkey> hello Kilos and superfly and Squirm 
[07:31] <kbmonkey> whats up
[07:34]  * Squirm looks up
[07:34] <Squirm> ...white ceiling by the looks of things
[07:34] <Kilos> lo0 kb
[07:34] <Kilos> grr
[07:35] <Kilos> lo kbmonkey 
[07:35] <Kilos> hehe
[07:44] <superfly> hi kbmonkey, Squirm
[09:53] <octoquad> Morning all! What a beautiful day :)
[09:59] <sakhi> morning octoquad 
[10:23] <superfly> hiya octoquad
[11:00] <Kilos-> hi locodir-user 
[11:00] <Kilos-> hey octoquad 
[11:00] <Kilos-> wb morgs 
[11:19] <octoquad> hey sakhi superfly Kilos-
[11:19] <octoquad> When's the next meet btw?
[11:20] <superfly> Software Freedom Day is happening soon
[11:21] <octoquad> cool, what do you guys normally do for that day?
[11:21] <superfly> look on softwarefreedomday.org
[11:23] <superfly> octoquad: are you on the ubuntu-za mailing list?
[11:23] <octoquad> um, let me check...
[11:23] <octoquad> I think i registered with an old e-mail address...
[11:24] <superfly> octoquad: whereabouts are you from?
[11:24] <octoquad> in durban
[11:24] <octoquad> and you?
[11:26] <octoquad> ok signed up
[11:26] <octoquad> If you guys need help with HTML/CSS/PHP/MySQL give me a shout
[11:31] <octoquad> *crickets*
[11:36] <Kilos-> nuvolari, here another durbanite to join you guys
[11:36] <superfly> octoquad: sorry, I'm at work, I can't always answer ;-)
[11:37] <superfly> octoquad: I'm from Cape Town
[11:37] <superfly> oh, and octoquad, I moved away from PHP, to a real programming language, Python.
[11:38] <Squirm2> python++
[11:38]  * Squirm2 eyes Maaz 
[11:39] <Squirm2> tracey
[11:39] <Squirm2> wrong window
[11:40] <octoquad> superfly, that's my next step, I read about two chapters from my Python 3 book.
[11:40] <Squirm2> haven't even seen python 3
[11:40] <superfly> octoquad: www.byteofpython.info
[11:40] <superfly> octoquad: but first read up on Python 2 - Python 3 is hardly used
[11:42] <octoquad> yeah but a lot of the python 2 scripts can be converted to 3. There's a script for that.
[11:45] <octoquad> in ruby devs here? That's another one I would like to get into especially with rails
[11:45] <octoquad> in = any
[11:46] <morgs> python scripts can be converted to 3, but... something the size of Django... is going to live on Python2 for quite a while yet.
[11:46] <morgs> Another +1 for python, BTW
[11:48] <octoquad> yup
[11:53] <superfly> octoquad: unless you're making insignificantly sized applications, don't bother with RoR - it doesn't scale
[11:56] <drubin> superfly: how does Django scale better?
[11:56] <drubin> or any of the python frameworks for that matter
[11:58] <superfly> drubin: well, I have my own thoughts on Django, but Dropbox is written in Python/Pylons, and I'd say they seem OK
[11:58] <drubin> superfly: twitter was written in RoR
[11:58] <superfly> drubin: yes, and they had scalability issues, which is why the only thing left running RoR at Twitter is their web frontend
[11:59] <drubin> I am sorry but I don't by that argument
[11:59] <drubin> superfly: I wonder how much of the backend of Dropbox is still written in python?
[12:00] <octoquad> http://www.buildingwebapps.com/articles/6419-can-rails-scale-absolutely
[12:01] <drubin> superfly: facebooks front end is still php
[12:02] <octoquad> Facebook is working with Joyent to support Rails apps on their platform.
[12:02] <octoquad> from the above link i posted
[12:02] <octoquad> and its old. Article written in 2008
[12:03] <superfly> drubin: yes, but PHP does scale
[12:03] <drubin> haha
[12:04] <octoquad> it's been around longer than RoR
[12:05] <morgs> drubin: we make Django scale by using nginx, haproxy, memcached, and in general trying not to touch the database unnecessarily. Those are all pretty language-agnostic.
[12:05] <drubin> morgs: that was my point
[12:05]  * morgs kicks off an oneiric upgrade on a spare machine
[12:05] <superfly> morgs: what do you use to run Django on nginx?
[12:06] <morgs> superfly: used to use fcgi, now uwsgi
[12:06] <superfly> morgs, drubin: I had to reverse proxy nginx<->apache+mod_wsgi for a django to make it not kill my server
[12:06] <superfly> where my Pylons apps running on mod_wsgi were fine
[12:06] <superfly> *a django app
[12:07] <morgs> superfly: or gunicorn - on some sites
[12:08] <drubin> superfly: My point was that octoquad possibly doesn't need twitter scale
[12:08] <morgs> superfly: I'm not the best person for the details on this - I get a bit abstracted away from the code these days - but we've run some load tests
[12:08] <superfly> drubin: that was my point too
[12:09] <morgs> even plone can scale if you put enough reverse proxy/cache in front of it... :-P
[12:10] <superfly> scaling in my eyes means not throwing more hardware and apps at it
[12:13] <morgs> as my CS prof once said, even on a Pentium, a bubble sort is still a bad idea
[12:13] <superfly> hehehehe
[12:15] <superfly> morgs: have you read this? http://blog.dscpl.com.au/search/label/nginx
[12:16] <superfly> whoops, let's get the actual url
[12:16] <superfly> morgs: http://blog.dscpl.com.au/2009/05/blocking-requests-and-nginx-version-of.html
[12:16] <morgs> bye Vhata
[12:18] <morgs> superfly: we only started using uwsgi lately when it got into the upstream nginx. We're using our own nginx package anyway, as we have a nifty mobile handset detector in lua which checks the user agent against wurfl in redis to know if it's a low, mid or high end phone
[12:18] <superfly> ok, cool
[12:19] <superfly> morgs: I don't think uWSGI and mod_wsgi for nginx are the same
[12:19] <morgs> yeah
[12:20] <superfly> that's just a good blog post for thinking about how your server handles Python apps
[13:12] <Vhata> drubin, morgs, highvoltage: why are we being sent random requests for packaging help?
[13:13] <morgs> Vhata: ?
[13:13] <Vhata> check your mail
[13:16] <drubin> Vhata: yes
[13:16] <drubin> not really sure where he picked up your details though
[13:16] <highvoltage> I think I might have accidentally deleted it
[13:16] <morgs> Vhata: checked various mailboxes, nothing found. Who sent it?
[13:17] <drubin> @ubuntu.com
[13:17] <drubin> intersting enough he left off the one person that might have actually helped packaged it
[13:18] <highvoltage> ah there it is
[13:19] <highvoltage> my guess is that he got the details somewhere from an ubuntu-za page/list/something
[13:21] <Vhata> morgs: To: morgan@ubuntu.com
[13:21] <Vhata> morgs: From: Dash Shendy <neuromancer@dash.za.net>
[13:22] <morgs> Vhata: thanks, hmm, not found. Perhaps my @ubuntu.com alias is forwarding to an old address from before it was launchpad-managed.
[13:28] <highvoltage> want me to reply?
[13:30] <Vhata> yes please
[13:36] <highvoltage> morgs: <morgan@mcode.co.za> (expanded from <morgan@ubuntu.com>): Host or domain name not found. Name service error for name=mcode.co.za type=A: Host not found
[13:40] <Vhata> ;; AUTHORITY SECTION:
[13:40] <Vhata> co.za.			10800	IN	SOA	ns.coza.net.za. this-is-probably-not-the-email-address-you-are-looking-for.co.za. 1110909063 28800 7200 2592000 28800
[13:41] <Vhata> heh
[13:41] <morgs> heh
[13:41]  * morgs goes to look for #canonical-sysadmin or something
[13:43] <morgs> "Your Ubuntu membership will expire in 2 years. You'll recive an automatic email for renove, then your Ubuntu email will be for always."
[13:43] <morgs> Maybe I didn't "renove"
[13:46]  * morgs mails rt@ubuntu.com
[13:47] <drubin> morgs: you aren't a member of ubuntumembers any more
[13:48] <morgs> drubin: orly
[13:48]  * morgs checks
[13:48] <drubin> it expired
[13:48] <drubin> highvoltage: can we re-approve him with out a meeting?
[13:48] <morgs> rats, then I definitely forgot to "renove"
[13:49] <highvoltage> drubin: yes, just put in the comment that he didn't get the email notification for renewal and that he requested renewal (assuming he did so)
[13:49] <morgs> plus, the page lies - I've extended my membership before, so it clearly isn't "for always"
[13:49] <morgs> wow, you guys have sudo powers these days
[13:49] <drubin> "Morgan Collett is already approved as a member of the team."
[13:49] <drubin> their stupid picker is broken
[13:51] <highvoltage> Morgan Collett 2007-03-20 - 2013-09-08: Approved
[13:51] <morgs> ja, the mail problem is because I got my @ubuntu mail before membership - so it's probably in some other aliases file before it hits launchpad
[14:25] <superfly> dash shendy?
[14:26] <superfly> Vhata, highvoltage, morgs: at a guess, based on a short working stint with Dash, he got your details from some DNS records or somesuch other weird place
[14:44] <octoquad> cheers guys, have a great weekend!
[15:33] <Vhata> DNS records?
[15:40] <tumbleweed> that's a pretty wierd place to find someone to help you with packaging
[15:45] <Vhata> more did you 'recive' an automatic email?
[15:45] <Vhata> err.  morgs.  he's gone.  tab-completion fail.
[15:53] <tumbleweed> expiriing membership e-mails were broken for a while
[17:45] <Kilos> evenening everyone
[17:45] <Kilos> evening as well
[17:45] <superfly> hi Kilos
[17:54] <Kilos> worked out how to fix them movies superfly 
[17:55] <Kilos> use mmc to convert them to .mpg then they play lekker with vlc
[17:55] <Kilos> but takes like 4 hours per movie
[17:57] <Kilos> they no actually movies but the series Stargate 
[17:58] <Kilos> hiya nlsthzn howzit there
[18:17] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[18:17]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[18:21] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[18:22] <Kilos> Maaz, dankie man
[18:22] <Maaz> Groot plesier my vriend
[19:40] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[19:46] <nlsthzn_work> Maaz: tell kilos, sorry I missed you online tonight uncle Kilos, I was @ work and you pinged the wrong account :p
[19:46] <Maaz> nlsthzn_work: I don't know who kilos, is. Say 'kilos, on freenode' and I'll take your word that kilos, exists
[19:46] <nlsthzn_work> Maaz: tell Kilos, sorry I missed you online tonight uncle Kilos, I was @ work and you pinged the wrong account :p
[19:46] <Maaz> nlsthzn_work: I don't know who Kilos, is. Say 'Kilos, on freenode' and I'll take your word that Kilos, exists
[19:46] <nlsthzn_work> Maaz: tell Kilos on freenode, sorry I missed you online tonight uncle Kilos, I was @ work and you pinged the wrong account :p
[19:46] <Maaz> nlsthzn_work: Got it, I'll tell Kilos on freenode
[19:46] <nlsthzn_work> Sheese :p
[20:40] <JabberwockyA19> Maaz: coffee
[20:40] <Maaz> JabberwockyA19: What?
[20:41] <JabberwockyA19> Maaz: coffee please
[20:41] <Maaz> JabberwockyA19: There isn't a pot on
[21:29] <superfly> hi JabberwockyA19, how's your beta going?
[21:29] <superfly> nlsthzn_work: the coma
[21:29] <superfly> *comma
[21:30] <superfly> "I don't know who kilos, is." <- see the comma?
[21:30] <nlsthzn_work> superfly: oh crap lol... didn't see that >.<
[21:30] <JabberwockyA19> loving oneiric, just about to start mirrorbuild.sh and go to bed
[21:30]  * nlsthzn_work is back on natty... will give the cat another spin once it releases :)