[05:23] top of the morning to y'all. [05:34] hiya magespawn [05:47] TGIF!! [05:58] o/ mornings [05:59] morning nuvolari [06:00] Mornings [06:00] morning all and superfly [06:00] lo nuvolari sakhi [06:00] eish [06:00] hi magespawn [06:01] morning [06:01] hey scar[w] [06:06] look like a nice morning group [06:07] hi Kilos, sakhi and scar[w] [06:08] Well, apart from the catastrophe that is Kmail+Akonadi+Nepomuk, Kubuntu 11.10 is nice [06:12] morning superfly [06:15] i have a pc with win 2000 on it. generic question what would be the 'best' linux to run? [06:16] magespawn: probably one of the lighter distros [06:17] like puppy or dsl? or are they too light on programs? [06:19] magespawn: well, I don't know about a particular distribution, but something based on LXDE or XFCE would be a lot lighter than Gnome or KDE [06:21] magespawn: you could also run a tiling DE like xmonad or awesome [06:21] mornings sakhi , oom Kilos, superfly, scar[w], magespawn [06:21] hi nuvolari [06:22] morning nuvolari [06:22] hi nuvolari [06:23] ty superfly. a starting point is worth a lot. [06:23] magespawn: Xubuntu uses XFCE where Lubuntu uses LXDE [06:24] magespawn: for *really* lightweight, you can use Fluxbox or similar [06:29] i think the Xubuntu will be the first try. not going to go too far from what is known for now. [06:35] ye, Openbox is a nice lightweight bare minimal way to go [06:49] will have a look. the machine only 246 mb of ram. [07:13] ohi morgs [07:13] hey superfly [07:13] morning [07:18] can someone tell me where to get vlc-plugin-esd [07:18] please [07:18] i have this command but page not found it says [07:18] sudo apt-get install vlc vlc-plugin-esd mozilla-plugin-vlc [07:19] and i tried googling but no luck [07:20] it seems to be needed to play .mkv files [07:21] Kilos: why? [07:21] Kilos: the vlc-plugin-esd is for sound, not video [07:21] and you aren't running esd, so you don't need it [07:21] hey superfly how goes? [07:21] sakhi: alright, and you? [07:22] good thanks [07:22] i googled how to play .mkv files and got lotsa info [07:22] i here the sound but no vid [07:22] and got all plugins in synaptic [07:22] Kilos: well, that plugin definitely won't help [07:23] ian brought me 40g of movies in that stupid format [07:23] Kilos: also, mkv is just a container, it doesn't dictate what format that video is [07:23] here is the site that said thats whats needed [07:24] http://ubuntuguide.net/how-to-play-mkv-files-in-ubuntu [07:24] am i missing something [07:24] as usual [07:25] oom, what version of Ubuntu are you using? [07:25] maverick superfly [07:25] Kilos: that's 9.10, hey? [07:25] 10.10 [07:25] oh [07:26] i can see all other videos and even dvds i copied from boets pc [07:26] Kilos: you need to open the file in VLC, and then go and look that the "codecs information" and see what it says [07:26] ok i go try find that ty superfly [07:27] Kilos: all that guys is saying is, "if you want to watch mkv files, install VLC" [07:27] oh that esd plugin isnt important [07:28] i looked at other pages and they say use handbrake and other stuff [07:28] handbrake is a converter looks like that will take over 11 hours per i hours movie [07:29] another site said you need a media splitter but i dont see one for maverick [07:29] get stuff like how to install ubuntu [07:29] morning [07:29] been there done that [07:29] lol [07:29] hi Squirm \ [07:31] hello Kilos and superfly and Squirm [07:31] whats up [07:34] * Squirm looks up [07:34] ...white ceiling by the looks of things [07:34] lo0 kb [07:34] grr [07:35] lo kbmonkey [07:35] hehe [07:44] hi kbmonkey, Squirm [09:53] Morning all! What a beautiful day :) [09:59] morning octoquad [10:23] hiya octoquad [11:00] hi locodir-user [11:00] hey octoquad [11:00] wb morgs [11:19] hey sakhi superfly Kilos- [11:19] When's the next meet btw? [11:20] Software Freedom Day is happening soon [11:21] cool, what do you guys normally do for that day? [11:21] look on softwarefreedomday.org [11:23] octoquad: are you on the ubuntu-za mailing list? [11:23] um, let me check... [11:23] I think i registered with an old e-mail address... [11:24] octoquad: whereabouts are you from? [11:24] in durban [11:24] and you? [11:26] ok signed up [11:26] If you guys need help with HTML/CSS/PHP/MySQL give me a shout [11:31] *crickets* [11:36] nuvolari, here another durbanite to join you guys [11:36] octoquad: sorry, I'm at work, I can't always answer ;-) [11:37] octoquad: I'm from Cape Town [11:37] oh, and octoquad, I moved away from PHP, to a real programming language, Python. [11:38] python++ [11:38] * Squirm2 eyes Maaz [11:39] tracey [11:39] wrong window [11:40] superfly, that's my next step, I read about two chapters from my Python 3 book. [11:40] haven't even seen python 3 [11:40] octoquad: www.byteofpython.info [11:40] octoquad: but first read up on Python 2 - Python 3 is hardly used [11:42] yeah but a lot of the python 2 scripts can be converted to 3. There's a script for that. [11:45] in ruby devs here? That's another one I would like to get into especially with rails [11:45] in = any [11:46] python scripts can be converted to 3, but... something the size of Django... is going to live on Python2 for quite a while yet. [11:46] Another +1 for python, BTW [11:48] yup [11:53] octoquad: unless you're making insignificantly sized applications, don't bother with RoR - it doesn't scale [11:56] superfly: how does Django scale better? [11:56] or any of the python frameworks for that matter [11:58] drubin: well, I have my own thoughts on Django, but Dropbox is written in Python/Pylons, and I'd say they seem OK [11:58] superfly: twitter was written in RoR [11:58] drubin: yes, and they had scalability issues, which is why the only thing left running RoR at Twitter is their web frontend [11:59] I am sorry but I don't by that argument [11:59] superfly: I wonder how much of the backend of Dropbox is still written in python? [12:00] http://www.buildingwebapps.com/articles/6419-can-rails-scale-absolutely [12:01] superfly: facebooks front end is still php [12:02] Facebook is working with Joyent to support Rails apps on their platform. [12:02] from the above link i posted [12:02] and its old. Article written in 2008 [12:03] drubin: yes, but PHP does scale [12:03] haha [12:04] it's been around longer than RoR [12:05] drubin: we make Django scale by using nginx, haproxy, memcached, and in general trying not to touch the database unnecessarily. Those are all pretty language-agnostic. [12:05] morgs: that was my point [12:05] * morgs kicks off an oneiric upgrade on a spare machine [12:05] morgs: what do you use to run Django on nginx? [12:06] superfly: used to use fcgi, now uwsgi [12:06] morgs, drubin: I had to reverse proxy nginx<->apache+mod_wsgi for a django to make it not kill my server [12:06] where my Pylons apps running on mod_wsgi were fine [12:06] *a django app [12:07] superfly: or gunicorn - on some sites [12:08] superfly: My point was that octoquad possibly doesn't need twitter scale [12:08] superfly: I'm not the best person for the details on this - I get a bit abstracted away from the code these days - but we've run some load tests [12:08] drubin: that was my point too [12:09] even plone can scale if you put enough reverse proxy/cache in front of it... :-P [12:10] scaling in my eyes means not throwing more hardware and apps at it [12:13] as my CS prof once said, even on a Pentium, a bubble sort is still a bad idea [12:13] hehehehe [12:15] morgs: have you read this? http://blog.dscpl.com.au/search/label/nginx [12:16] whoops, let's get the actual url [12:16] morgs: http://blog.dscpl.com.au/2009/05/blocking-requests-and-nginx-version-of.html [12:16] bye Vhata [12:18] superfly: we only started using uwsgi lately when it got into the upstream nginx. We're using our own nginx package anyway, as we have a nifty mobile handset detector in lua which checks the user agent against wurfl in redis to know if it's a low, mid or high end phone [12:18] ok, cool [12:19] morgs: I don't think uWSGI and mod_wsgi for nginx are the same [12:19] yeah [12:20] that's just a good blog post for thinking about how your server handles Python apps [13:12] drubin, morgs, highvoltage: why are we being sent random requests for packaging help? [13:13] Vhata: ? [13:13] check your mail [13:16] Vhata: yes [13:16] not really sure where he picked up your details though [13:16] I think I might have accidentally deleted it [13:16] Vhata: checked various mailboxes, nothing found. Who sent it? [13:17] @ubuntu.com [13:17] intersting enough he left off the one person that might have actually helped packaged it [13:18] ah there it is [13:19] my guess is that he got the details somewhere from an ubuntu-za page/list/something [13:21] morgs: To: morgan@ubuntu.com [13:21] morgs: From: Dash Shendy [13:22] Vhata: thanks, hmm, not found. Perhaps my @ubuntu.com alias is forwarding to an old address from before it was launchpad-managed. [13:28] want me to reply? [13:30] yes please [13:36] morgs: (expanded from ): Host or domain name not found. Name service error for name=mcode.co.za type=A: Host not found [13:40] ;; AUTHORITY SECTION: [13:40] co.za. 10800 IN SOA ns.coza.net.za. this-is-probably-not-the-email-address-you-are-looking-for.co.za. 1110909063 28800 7200 2592000 28800 [13:41] heh [13:41] heh [13:41] * morgs goes to look for #canonical-sysadmin or something [13:43] "Your Ubuntu membership will expire in 2 years. You'll recive an automatic email for renove, then your Ubuntu email will be for always." [13:43] Maybe I didn't "renove" [13:46] * morgs mails rt@ubuntu.com [13:47] morgs: you aren't a member of ubuntumembers any more [13:48] drubin: orly [13:48] * morgs checks [13:48] it expired [13:48] highvoltage: can we re-approve him with out a meeting? [13:48] rats, then I definitely forgot to "renove" [13:49] drubin: yes, just put in the comment that he didn't get the email notification for renewal and that he requested renewal (assuming he did so) [13:49] plus, the page lies - I've extended my membership before, so it clearly isn't "for always" [13:49] wow, you guys have sudo powers these days [13:49] "Morgan Collett is already approved as a member of the team." [13:49] their stupid picker is broken [13:51] Morgan Collett 2007-03-20 - 2013-09-08: Approved [13:51] ja, the mail problem is because I got my @ubuntu mail before membership - so it's probably in some other aliases file before it hits launchpad [14:25] dash shendy? [14:26] Vhata, highvoltage, morgs: at a guess, based on a short working stint with Dash, he got your details from some DNS records or somesuch other weird place [14:44] cheers guys, have a great weekend! === nlsthzn_ is now known as nlsthzn_work [15:33] DNS records? [15:40] that's a pretty wierd place to find someone to help you with packaging [15:45] more did you 'recive' an automatic email? [15:45] err. morgs. he's gone. tab-completion fail. [15:53] expiriing membership e-mails were broken for a while [17:45] evenening everyone [17:45] evening as well [17:45] hi Kilos [17:54] worked out how to fix them movies superfly [17:55] use mmc to convert them to .mpg then they play lekker with vlc [17:55] but takes like 4 hours per movie [17:57] they no actually movies but the series Stargate [17:58] hiya nlsthzn howzit there [18:17] Maaz, coffee on [18:17] * Maaz flips the salt-timer [18:21] Coffee's ready for Kilos! [18:22] Maaz, dankie man [18:22] Groot plesier my vriend [19:40] night all. sleep tight [19:46] Maaz: tell kilos, sorry I missed you online tonight uncle Kilos, I was @ work and you pinged the wrong account :p [19:46] nlsthzn_work: I don't know who kilos, is. Say 'kilos, on freenode' and I'll take your word that kilos, exists [19:46] Maaz: tell Kilos, sorry I missed you online tonight uncle Kilos, I was @ work and you pinged the wrong account :p [19:46] nlsthzn_work: I don't know who Kilos, is. Say 'Kilos, on freenode' and I'll take your word that Kilos, exists [19:46] Maaz: tell Kilos on freenode, sorry I missed you online tonight uncle Kilos, I was @ work and you pinged the wrong account :p [19:46] nlsthzn_work: Got it, I'll tell Kilos on freenode [19:46] Sheese :p [20:40] Maaz: coffee [20:40] JabberwockyA19: What? [20:41] Maaz: coffee please [20:41] JabberwockyA19: There isn't a pot on [21:29] hi JabberwockyA19, how's your beta going? [21:29] nlsthzn_work: the coma [21:29] *comma [21:30] "I don't know who kilos, is." <- see the comma? [21:30] superfly: oh crap lol... didn't see that >.< [21:30] loving oneiric, just about to start mirrorbuild.sh and go to bed [21:30] * nlsthzn_work is back on natty... will give the cat another spin once it releases :)