| DelphiWorld | Hello | 18:00 |
|---|---|---|
| DelphiWorld | hi TheMuso | 18:00 |
| DelphiWorld | and sladen | 18:00 |
| DelphiWorld | sladen: so who's daniela here ? | 18:01 |
| ScottSanbar | Hi | 18:02 |
| DelphiWorld | hey ScottSanbar | 18:02 |
| ScottSanbar | This IRC is pretty cool - I am using Trillian | 18:02 |
| sladen | DelphiWorld: TheMuso is in Australia, and it's the weekend, so might not be around | 18:02 |
| DelphiWorld | sladen: i see. | 18:02 |
| DelphiWorld | sladen: so TheMuso is daniela ? | 18:03 |
| ScottSanbar | OK | 18:03 |
| sladen | DelphiWorld: I don't think daniela is here, but Pendulum is a good starting contact | 18:03 |
| DelphiWorld | sladen: Fun. | 18:03 |
| sladen | DelphiWorld: ScottSanbar: who has what kit? | 18:03 |
| DelphiWorld | sladen: i am surprised, i never used linux like she do. | 18:03 |
| DelphiWorld | Welcome AlanBell | 18:03 |
| AlanBell | :) | 18:03 |
| ScottSanbar | what do you mean by kit? | 18:03 |
| sladen | ScottSanbar: braille terminal, speech synth, USB, serial, ... | 18:04 |
| AlanBell | DelphiWorld: I am just starting a server install in a virtual machine | 18:04 |
| DelphiWorld | Good, AlanBell | 18:04 |
| DelphiWorld | sladen: i have only serial cable, nothing else | 18:04 |
| ScottSanbar | I am not blind yet - just going blind slowly. I have big screens and they are close to my face, and that is enough for now. I am slowed down by not finding stuff on the screen sometimes, but not that bad yeat | 18:04 |
| sladen | DelphiWorld: what do you have on the end of the serial cable? Another machine/ | 18:05 |
| DelphiWorld | sladen: would by fun to test those stufs in ubuntu but sadly no brail display sales here | 18:05 |
| DelphiWorld | sladen: right, a Windows Spoken machine that 99.99% of blind users use it | 18:05 |
| AlanBell | so it boots to a list of languages, enter to select english then F5 to open a list of accessibility options | 18:06 |
| DelphiWorld | AlanBell: i see. | 18:06 |
| AlanBell | this contains "none", "High Contrast", "Braille Terminal" | 18:06 |
| DelphiWorld | AlanBell: but can not read those in the screen :) | 18:06 |
| AlanBell | so you want a serial port tty right? | 18:07 |
| DelphiWorld | AlanBell: yep | 18:08 |
| DelphiWorld | AlanBell: i am trying sladen suggestion, the alternate cd | 18:09 |
| sladen | DelphiWorld: alternate CD is basically plain "Debian-Installer", which I've used for dozens of serial-only installs (but not for several years) | 18:10 |
| sladen | DelphiWorld: so it /is/ possible. Just that I've forgotten how | 18:10 |
| ScottSanbar | Might this help: | 18:12 |
| ScottSanbar | Sorry: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SerialConsoleHowto | 18:12 |
| AlanBell | that seems to depend on you having already installed it | 18:12 |
| ScottSanbar | Oh, I see - sorry | 18:12 |
| Pendulum | ScottSanbar: I think you're referring to the Daniela persona? She's not a real person, she's a composite of several people we surveyed who have visual impairment/are blind (and the back story is all made up) | 18:14 |
| DelphiWorld | hello Pendulum | 18:15 |
| ScottSanbar | OK, thanks | 18:15 |
| ScottSanbar | Pendulum: OK, thanks | 18:16 |
| AlanBell | http://www.howtoforge.com/setting_up_a_serial_console this looks helpful, it describes some boot options that can be added to get it to talk on a serial console, I am just wondering how I could test them | 18:18 |
| Pendulum | DelphiWorld: oops sorry, I guess I meant you in that | 18:18 |
| DelphiWorld | Pendulum: :) | 18:18 |
| Pendulum | (sorry, my brain is about 5 places at the moment) | 18:18 |
| ScottSanbar | https://help.ubuntu.com/11.04/installation-guide/i386/boot-parms.html seems helpful | 18:19 |
| sladen | DelphiWorld: /I/ think roughly what you want to do is put the CD/USB in and install that it is booting (this will vary depending on BIOS setup) | 18:19 |
| DelphiWorld | sladen: :) | 18:19 |
| sladen | DelphiWorld: then interrupt the bootloader by using the serial port, at which Grub will use serial and the rest should all just work | 18:19 |
| sladen | DelphiWorld: or worst case, you need to interrupt the bootloader (Grub) from the keyboard by pressing shift repeatedly, then type | 18:20 |
| sladen | DelphiWorld: 'e' (for Edit). 'space', 'console=ttyS0' (capital 'S' for serial) | 18:21 |
| AlanBell | it is isolinux though from the CD | 18:23 |
| DelphiWorld | sladen: :) | 18:23 |
| * AlanBell has server booting over serial port \o/ | 18:35 | |
| AlanBell | DelphiWorld: I have it working with the ubuntu server 11.04 CD | 18:38 |
| AlanBell | put in CD, enter to select english | 18:38 |
| AlanBell | F6, then escape | 18:38 |
| AlanBell | space then console=ttyS0 then return | 18:38 |
| DelphiWorld | AlanBell: do i need to type something ? | 18:39 |
| AlanBell | DelphiWorld: enter, f6, escape, space 'console=ttyS0; enter | 18:41 |
| AlanBell | DelphiWorld: then it starts working on serial | 18:41 |
| DelphiWorld | AlanBell: but ttyS0 is selectable or would i need to typ it ? | 18:42 |
| DelphiWorld | hahaha | 18:43 |
| DelphiWorld | i see torrent through Ipv6! | 18:43 |
| AlanBell | need to type it | 18:44 |
| AlanBell | you type console=ttyS0 | 18:44 |
| AlanBell | with a space in front of it | 18:44 |
| DelphiWorld | AlanBell: hmmm let me look where's = in Qwerty leyout | 18:44 |
| DelphiWorld | =yeah lol AlanBell is same as AZERTY ! | 18:44 |
| AlanBell | oh, want french? | 18:45 |
| DelphiWorld | AlanBell: yeah i am from algeria:D | 18:45 |
| AlanBell | if you want Francais then press cursor down 7 times right at the start | 18:46 |
| DelphiWorld | AlanBell: :P | 18:46 |
| DelphiWorld | AlanBell: i should wait for my friend to come online | 18:47 |
| DelphiWorld | AlanBell: so we do skype and he see my screen and tel me what's hapening;) | 18:47 |
| AlanBell | ok | 18:48 |
| AlanBell | don't bother trying to put it in French, it doesn't seem to make any difference! | 18:48 |
| DelphiWorld | AlanBell: yep, no need it at all ;) | 18:48 |
| DelphiWorld | AlanBell: would by a streaming server:P | 18:49 |
| DelphiWorld | AlanBell: i am planing to multicast through my Wifi from a DVB card | 18:49 |
| DelphiWorld | AlanBell: you see right ? not blind i mean | 18:51 |
| AlanBell | yeah I am sighted | 18:51 |
| DelphiWorld | AlanBell: and would i by able to help ubuntu accessibility ? if yes, what should i do ? | 18:52 |
| AlanBell | we would love more help :) | 18:52 |
| DelphiWorld | AlanBell: yeah ? you're also sighted ? | 18:52 |
| DelphiWorld | Pendulum: you too ? | 18:52 |
| Pendulum | DelphiWorld: yes, I'm sighted. | 18:54 |
| DelphiWorld | Pendulum, and AlanBell where are you from ? | 18:54 |
| AlanBell | I am from the UK | 18:54 |
| Pendulum | I'm in the US | 18:54 |
| DelphiWorld | we maybe should do a Ubuntu Accessibility Day | 18:54 |
| DelphiWorld | and you Pendulum ? | 18:55 |
| DelphiWorld | i am from Algeria | 18:55 |
| DelphiWorld | Pendulum: so Welcome both to algeria ;) | 18:56 |
| DelphiWorld | Pendulum, AlanBell please think about a Ubuntu accessibility meeting | 18:56 |
| ScottSanbar | DelphiWorld: I cannot help because I am new, but I am hoping to help before I go blind and learn | 18:56 |
| DelphiWorld | ScottSanbar: you're welcome :D | 18:56 |
| ScottSanbar | Thanks! | 18:57 |
| ScottSanbar | DelphiWorld: Thanks! | 18:57 |
| DelphiWorld | ScottSanbar: got it allready:D | 18:57 |
| ScottSanbar | DelphiWorld; Yeah, I am REALLY new! | 18:57 |
| DelphiWorld | getting ubuntu alternative CD 27% | 18:58 |
| DelphiWorld | using torrent | 18:58 |
| Pendulum | DelphiWorld: we're going to have a meeting the end of this month | 18:58 |
| DelphiWorld | Pendulum: where ? | 18:58 |
| Pendulum | in this IRC channel | 18:58 |
| Pendulum | I just haven't been well enough to hold one recently (I had surgery about 6 weeks ago) | 18:58 |
| DelphiWorld | Pendulum: i see | 18:58 |
| DelphiWorld | Pendulum: better to do a real meeting like in south affrica | 18:58 |
| DelphiWorld | and you, sladen ? | 19:00 |
| AlanBell | there are local team meetings in different countries, and every 6 months there is a conference about the next release of Ubuntu | 19:00 |
| DelphiWorld | AlanBell: yeah | 19:01 |
| DelphiWorld | AlanBell: i was hoping to go to ubuntu tunisia but sadly was a bad time | 19:01 |
| DelphiWorld | AlanBell: what are you using right now to chat ? | 19:02 |
| AlanBell | irssi which is a command line IRC client and I am running it in a screen session so I can leave it running all the time | 19:02 |
| DelphiWorld | AlanBell: and tts or brail ? | 19:03 |
| AlanBell | eyes :) I am sighted | 19:04 |
| DelphiWorld | AlanBell: ahh | 19:04 |
| * DelphiWorld getting food... too late ! | 19:04 | |
| ScottSanbar | AlanBell: Have you tried Trillian? Or do you prefere the command line for IRC? | 19:05 |
| AlanBell | I kind of like the command line for IRC, it works on my phone too | 19:07 |
| ScottSanbar | AlanBell: In what sense do you use your phone for IRC? Just talking to IRC posts messages??? | 19:08 |
| AlanBell | I have an android phone with an ssh client on it | 19:10 |
| AlanBell | ScottSanbar: I can ssh in and connect to my running IRC client, which is in about 50 channels and has all the scrollback | 19:16 |
| ScottSanbar | Ah, I see - stable, solid and if you disconnect, just re-ssh and reconnect without losing your sessions, right? | 19:16 |
| AlanBell | yeah | 19:16 |
| AlanBell | and I can start a conversation on my laptop, and continue on the phone without disconnecting | 19:17 |
| ScottSanbar | Once you ssh in, you must have a background IRC client, like a daemon, that is maintaining state and that you can connect to. What is the software that does that? Am I describing it right? | 19:17 |
| AlanBell | about right :) | 19:17 |
| ScottSanbar | AlanBell: What IRC client? | 19:18 |
| AlanBell | screen is the software that allows you to have running terminal sessions that you can disconnect from | 19:18 |
| ScottSanbar | Oh, now I see - is screen available by default in Ubunto, or must I get it? Link? | 19:19 |
| AlanBell | or you can run byobu which is 'screen' but set up right | 19:19 |
| AlanBell | just run byobu | 19:19 |
| ScottSanbar | OK, thanks. | 19:19 |
| ScottSanbar | I am using VNC right now since I do not have a keyboard or mouse for my Ubuntu machine. That would work in a similar manner (I use tightvnc as the server, and Real VNC on my Windows Vista Box. TightVNC maintains a stable, standalone complete desktop that I can connect/disconnect from at will just as if I was directly on the Ubuntu keyboard/mouse/display | 19:21 |
| AlanBell | yes, same kind of thing, but for a terminal session | 19:22 |
| ScottSanbar | The terminal session thing would work for iPhone, Android, Tablets where I am betting VNC is not available, right? | 19:22 |
| ScottSanbar | AlanBell: Are you using IRSSI? | 19:26 |
| AlanBell | yes, irssi | 19:26 |
| AlanBell | works anywhere with an ssh client basically | 19:27 |
| DelphiWorld | brb installing | 19:31 |
| AlanBell | excellent! | 19:32 |
| DelphiWorld | AlanBell: :P | 19:32 |
| DelphiWorld | hi valorie | 19:39 |
| ScottSanbar | AlanBell: I am now on this forum using irssi in a screen session over a terminal from a windows PC to my Ubuntu PC | 20:08 |
| ScottSanbar | AlanBell: Thanks for your help. I like this | 20:11 |
| ScottSanbar | AlanBell: I just disconnected, killed my terminal, and reconnected - works great! Thanks! | 20:14 |
| ScottSanbar | I am not receiving messages. If anyone can see my messages, please reply, if you do not mind | 20:15 |
| valorie | ScottSanbar: I can see you | 20:23 |
| valorie | and your texting | 20:23 |
| ScottSanbar | valorie: ok, thanks | 20:23 |
| ScottSanbar | valorie: my user_name was incorrect | 20:23 |
| valorie | ok | 20:24 |
| valorie | 13:07] --> ScottSanbar has joined this channel (~scott@ip68-97-25-128.ok.ok.cox.net). | 20:24 |
| valorie | [13:23] --> ScottSanbar has joined this channel (~ScottSanb@ip68-97-25-128.ok.ok.cox.net). | 20:24 |
| ScottSanbar | AlanBell: I am now on irssi in a screen session, and have successfully disconnected while the irssi screen was maintained, killed my terminal, reconnected and this is really cool - thanks! | 20:25 |
| ScottSanbar | valorie: did you see my message to AlanBell? | 20:27 |
| valorie | yes | 20:29 |
| valorie | if you send to the channel, everyone in channel sees it | 20:29 |
| valorie | you can also private message, but I'm not sure how you do that in irssi | 20:29 |
| valorie | also, in ubuntu namespaces, it's considered rude to PM without asking permission | 20:30 |
| ScottSanbar | ok, thanks - sorry | 20:30 |
| ScottSanbar | valorie: you are a very nice person | 20:32 |
| Pendulum | valorie: can I PM you for a sec? | 20:34 |
| valorie | thanks! | 20:34 |
| valorie | yes | 20:34 |
| DelphiWorld | how are you valorie ? | 20:37 |
| valorie | I'm good | 20:39 |
| valorie | and you, DelphiWorld? | 20:40 |
| DelphiWorld | valorie: as sound i found #ubuntu-accessibility, i am ferly happy, valorie ! | 20:40 |
| valorie | I don't really help out here, but I'm interested in progress | 20:41 |
| DelphiWorld | valorie: Welcome:) | 20:42 |
| DelphiWorld | where are you from valorie ? | 20:44 |
| valorie | I live an hour from Seattle, Washington in the US | 20:46 |
| valorie | you? | 20:46 |
| DelphiWorld | valorie: Algeria | 20:47 |
| valorie | cool! | 20:48 |
| valorie | I love that we have world-wide scope | 20:49 |
| DelphiWorld | valorie: Seriously... i Love UBUNTU. | 20:49 |
| * valorie is a Kubuntu user | 20:51 | |
| valorie | I love the community | 20:51 |
| valorie | that we are KDE and Gnome people together | 20:51 |
| valorie | and also LXDE, etc. | 20:51 |
| DelphiWorld | valorie: :D | 20:52 |
| DelphiWorld | valorie: AlanBellnd are you blind too ? | 20:52 |
| DelphiWorld | valorie: are you blind too ? | 21:00 |
| DelphiWorld | SORY AlanBell :P | 21:00 |
| valorie | no, I'm sighted | 21:00 |
| valorie | just interested in a11y, because I think it's key | 21:01 |
| DelphiWorld | valorie: i am totaly blind | 21:01 |
| DelphiWorld | valorie: no eyes at all | 21:01 |
| valorie | diversity of all sorts is needed for a healthy project | 21:01 |
| valorie | I love that you are able to be online | 21:01 |
| DelphiWorld | valorie: seriously, here in our country everyone think that a blind man can't do anything at all | 21:03 |
| valorie | do you do testing for ubuntu? | 21:04 |
| DelphiWorld | valorie: a bit | 21:04 |
| valorie | I used to ride the bus with a blind man daily | 21:04 |
| valorie | he was on his way to work, and me on my way to college | 21:04 |
| DelphiWorld | valorie: i see | 21:04 |
| DelphiWorld | valorie: sadly GPS maps is not yet up to date here | 21:05 |
| DelphiWorld | valorie: otherwise my iPhone:) | 21:05 |
| valorie | people can do a lot, if they are open to the possibilities | 21:05 |
| valorie | have you tried Marble? | 21:05 |
| valorie | which is a KDE product | 21:05 |
| valorie | not sure that runs on iPhone, but there is a Qt-only version for phones | 21:06 |
| DelphiWorld | valorie: didn't try | 21:06 |
| valorie | might work well for you | 21:06 |
| valorie | it's a very active project | 21:06 |
| valorie | and KDE apps run in Ubuntu | 21:07 |
| AlanBell | ScottSanbar: great! glad it is working for you! | 22:07 |
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