[18:00] <DelphiWorld> Hello
[18:00] <DelphiWorld> hi TheMuso
[18:00] <DelphiWorld> and sladen
[18:01] <DelphiWorld> sladen: so who's daniela here ?
[18:02] <ScottSanbar> Hi
[18:02] <DelphiWorld> hey ScottSanbar
[18:02] <ScottSanbar> This IRC is pretty cool - I am using Trillian
[18:02] <sladen> DelphiWorld: TheMuso is in Australia, and it's the weekend, so might not be around
[18:02] <DelphiWorld> sladen: i see.
[18:03] <DelphiWorld> sladen: so TheMuso is daniela ?
[18:03] <ScottSanbar> OK
[18:03] <sladen> DelphiWorld: I don't think daniela is here, but Pendulum is a good starting contact
[18:03] <DelphiWorld> sladen: Fun.
[18:03] <sladen> DelphiWorld: ScottSanbar: who has what kit?
[18:03] <DelphiWorld> sladen: i am surprised, i never used linux like she do.
[18:03] <DelphiWorld> Welcome AlanBell
[18:03] <AlanBell> :)
[18:03] <ScottSanbar> what do you mean by kit?
[18:04] <sladen> ScottSanbar: braille terminal, speech synth, USB, serial, ...
[18:04] <AlanBell> DelphiWorld: I am just starting a server install in a virtual machine
[18:04] <DelphiWorld> Good, AlanBell
[18:04] <DelphiWorld> sladen: i have only serial cable, nothing else
[18:04] <ScottSanbar> I am not blind yet - just going blind slowly.  I have big screens and they are close to my face, and that is enough for now.  I am slowed down by not finding stuff on the screen sometimes, but not that bad yeat
[18:05] <sladen> DelphiWorld: what do you have on the end of the serial cable?  Another machine/
[18:05] <DelphiWorld> sladen: would by fun to test those stufs in ubuntu but sadly no brail display sales here
[18:05] <DelphiWorld> sladen: right, a Windows Spoken machine that 99.99% of blind users use it
[18:06] <AlanBell> so it boots to a list of languages, enter to select english then F5 to open a list of accessibility options
[18:06] <DelphiWorld> AlanBell: i see.
[18:06] <AlanBell> this contains "none", "High Contrast", "Braille Terminal"
[18:06] <DelphiWorld> AlanBell: but can not read those in the screen :)
[18:07] <AlanBell> so you want a serial port tty right?
[18:08] <DelphiWorld> AlanBell: yep
[18:09] <DelphiWorld> AlanBell: i am trying sladen suggestion, the alternate cd
[18:10] <sladen> DelphiWorld: alternate CD is basically plain "Debian-Installer", which I've used for dozens of serial-only installs (but not for several years)
[18:10] <sladen> DelphiWorld: so it /is/ possible.  Just that I've forgotten how
[18:12] <ScottSanbar> Might this help:
[18:12] <ScottSanbar> Sorry:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SerialConsoleHowto
[18:12] <AlanBell> that seems to depend on you having already installed it
[18:12] <ScottSanbar> Oh, I see - sorry
[18:14] <Pendulum> ScottSanbar: I think you're referring to the Daniela persona? She's not a real person, she's a composite of several people we surveyed who have visual impairment/are blind (and the back story is all made up)
[18:15] <DelphiWorld> hello Pendulum
[18:15] <ScottSanbar> OK, thanks
[18:16] <ScottSanbar> Pendulum: OK, thanks
[18:18] <AlanBell> http://www.howtoforge.com/setting_up_a_serial_console this looks helpful, it describes some boot options that can be added to get it to talk on a serial console, I am just wondering how I could test them
[18:18] <Pendulum> DelphiWorld: oops sorry, I guess I meant you in that
[18:18] <DelphiWorld> Pendulum: :)
[18:18] <Pendulum> (sorry, my brain is about 5 places at the moment)
[18:19] <ScottSanbar> https://help.ubuntu.com/11.04/installation-guide/i386/boot-parms.html seems helpful
[18:19] <sladen> DelphiWorld: /I/ think roughly what you want to do is put the CD/USB in and install that it is booting (this will vary depending on BIOS setup)
[18:19] <DelphiWorld> sladen: :)
[18:19] <sladen> DelphiWorld: then interrupt the bootloader by using the serial port, at which Grub will use serial and the rest should all just work
[18:20] <sladen> DelphiWorld: or worst case, you need to interrupt the bootloader (Grub) from the keyboard by pressing shift repeatedly, then type
[18:21] <sladen> DelphiWorld: 'e' (for Edit).  'space', 'console=ttyS0'   (capital 'S' for serial)
[18:23] <AlanBell> it is isolinux though from the CD
[18:23] <DelphiWorld> sladen: :)
[18:35]  * AlanBell has server booting over serial port \o/
[18:38] <AlanBell> DelphiWorld: I have it working with the ubuntu server 11.04 CD
[18:38] <AlanBell> put in CD, enter to select english
[18:38] <AlanBell> F6, then escape
[18:38] <AlanBell> space then console=ttyS0 then return
[18:39] <DelphiWorld> AlanBell: do i need to type something ?
[18:41] <AlanBell> DelphiWorld: enter, f6, escape, space 'console=ttyS0; enter
[18:41] <AlanBell> DelphiWorld: then it starts working on serial
[18:42] <DelphiWorld> AlanBell: but ttyS0 is selectable or would i need to typ it ?
[18:43] <DelphiWorld> hahaha
[18:43] <DelphiWorld> i see torrent through Ipv6!
[18:44] <AlanBell> need to type it
[18:44] <AlanBell> you type console=ttyS0
[18:44] <AlanBell> with a space in front of it
[18:44] <DelphiWorld> AlanBell: hmmm let me look where's = in Qwerty leyout
[18:44] <DelphiWorld> =yeah lol AlanBell is same as AZERTY !
[18:45] <AlanBell> oh, want french?
[18:45] <DelphiWorld> AlanBell: yeah i am from algeria:D
[18:46] <AlanBell> if you want Francais then press cursor down 7 times right at the start
[18:46] <DelphiWorld> AlanBell: :P
[18:47] <DelphiWorld> AlanBell: i should wait for my friend to come online
[18:47] <DelphiWorld> AlanBell: so we do skype and he see my screen and tel me what's hapening;)
[18:48] <AlanBell> ok
[18:48] <AlanBell> don't bother trying to put it in French, it doesn't seem to make any difference!
[18:48] <DelphiWorld> AlanBell: yep, no need it at all ;)
[18:49] <DelphiWorld> AlanBell: would by a streaming server:P
[18:49] <DelphiWorld> AlanBell: i am planing to multicast through my Wifi from a DVB card
[18:51] <DelphiWorld> AlanBell: you see right ? not blind i mean
[18:51] <AlanBell> yeah I am sighted
[18:52] <DelphiWorld> AlanBell: and would i by able to help ubuntu accessibility ? if yes, what should i do ?
[18:52] <AlanBell> we would love more help :)
[18:52] <DelphiWorld> AlanBell: yeah ? you're also sighted ?
[18:52] <DelphiWorld> Pendulum: you too ?
[18:54] <Pendulum> DelphiWorld: yes, I'm sighted.
[18:54] <DelphiWorld> Pendulum, and AlanBell where are you from  ?
[18:54] <AlanBell> I am from the UK
[18:54] <Pendulum> I'm in the US
[18:54] <DelphiWorld> we maybe should do a Ubuntu Accessibility Day
[18:55] <DelphiWorld> and you Pendulum ?
[18:55] <DelphiWorld> i am from Algeria
[18:56] <DelphiWorld> Pendulum: so Welcome both to algeria ;)
[18:56] <DelphiWorld> Pendulum, AlanBell please think about a Ubuntu accessibility meeting
[18:56] <ScottSanbar> DelphiWorld:  I cannot help because I am new, but I am hoping to help before I go blind and learn
[18:56] <DelphiWorld> ScottSanbar: you're welcome :D
[18:57] <ScottSanbar> Thanks!
[18:57] <ScottSanbar> DelphiWorld: Thanks!
[18:57] <DelphiWorld> ScottSanbar: got it allready:D
[18:57] <ScottSanbar> DelphiWorld; Yeah, I am REALLY new!
[18:58] <DelphiWorld> getting ubuntu alternative CD 27%
[18:58] <DelphiWorld> using torrent
[18:58] <Pendulum> DelphiWorld: we're going to have a meeting the end of this month
[18:58] <DelphiWorld> Pendulum: where ?
[18:58] <Pendulum> in this IRC channel
[18:58] <Pendulum> I just haven't been well enough to hold one recently (I had surgery about 6 weeks ago)
[18:58] <DelphiWorld> Pendulum: i see
[18:58] <DelphiWorld> Pendulum: better to do a real meeting like in south affrica
[19:00] <DelphiWorld> and you, sladen ?
[19:00] <AlanBell> there are local team meetings in different countries, and every 6 months there is a conference about the next release of Ubuntu
[19:01] <DelphiWorld> AlanBell: yeah
[19:01] <DelphiWorld> AlanBell: i was hoping to go to ubuntu tunisia but sadly was a bad time
[19:02] <DelphiWorld> AlanBell: what are you using right now  to chat ?
[19:02] <AlanBell> irssi which is a command line IRC client and I am running it in a screen session so I can leave it running all the time
[19:03] <DelphiWorld> AlanBell: and tts or brail ?
[19:04] <AlanBell> eyes :) I am sighted
[19:04] <DelphiWorld> AlanBell: ahh
[19:04]  * DelphiWorld getting food... too late !
[19:05] <ScottSanbar> AlanBell:  Have you tried Trillian?  Or do you prefere the command line for IRC?
[19:07] <AlanBell> I kind of like the command line for IRC, it works on my phone too
[19:08] <ScottSanbar> AlanBell:  In what sense do you use your phone for IRC?  Just talking to IRC posts messages???
[19:10] <AlanBell> I have an android phone with an ssh client on it
[19:16] <AlanBell> ScottSanbar: I can ssh in and connect to my running IRC client, which is in about 50 channels and has all the scrollback
[19:16] <ScottSanbar> Ah, I see - stable, solid and if you disconnect, just re-ssh and reconnect without losing your sessions, right?
[19:16] <AlanBell> yeah
[19:17] <AlanBell> and I can start a conversation on my laptop, and continue on the phone without disconnecting
[19:17] <ScottSanbar> Once you ssh in, you must have a background IRC client, like a daemon, that is maintaining state and that you can connect to.  What is the software that does that?  Am I describing it right?
[19:17] <AlanBell> about right :)
[19:18] <ScottSanbar> AlanBell:  What IRC client?
[19:18] <AlanBell> screen is the software that allows you to have running terminal sessions that you can disconnect from
[19:19] <ScottSanbar> Oh, now I see - is screen available by default in Ubunto, or must I get it?  Link?
[19:19] <AlanBell> or you can run byobu which is 'screen' but set up right
[19:19] <AlanBell> just run byobu
[19:19] <ScottSanbar> OK, thanks.
[19:21] <ScottSanbar> I am using VNC right now since I do not have a keyboard or mouse for my Ubuntu machine.  That would work in a similar manner (I use tightvnc as the server, and Real VNC on my Windows Vista Box.  TightVNC maintains a stable, standalone complete desktop that I can connect/disconnect from at will just as if I was directly on the Ubuntu keyboard/mouse/display
[19:22] <AlanBell> yes, same kind of thing, but for a terminal session
[19:22] <ScottSanbar> The terminal session thing would work for iPhone, Android, Tablets where I am betting VNC is not available, right?
[19:26] <ScottSanbar> AlanBell:  Are you using IRSSI?
[19:26] <AlanBell> yes, irssi
[19:27] <AlanBell> works anywhere with an ssh client basically
[19:31] <DelphiWorld> brb installing
[19:32] <AlanBell> excellent!
[19:32] <DelphiWorld> AlanBell: :P
[19:39] <DelphiWorld> hi valorie
[20:08] <ScottSanbar> AlanBell: I am now on this forum using irssi in a screen session over a terminal from a windows PC to my Ubuntu PC
[20:11] <ScottSanbar> AlanBell:  Thanks for your help.  I like this
[20:14] <ScottSanbar> AlanBell:  I just disconnected, killed my terminal, and reconnected - works great!  Thanks!
[20:15] <ScottSanbar> I am not receiving messages.  If anyone can see my messages, please reply, if you do not mind
[20:23] <valorie> ScottSanbar: I can see you
[20:23] <valorie> and your texting
[20:23] <ScottSanbar> valorie: ok, thanks
[20:23] <ScottSanbar> valorie:  my user_name was incorrect
[20:24] <valorie> ok
[20:24] <valorie> 13:07] --> ScottSanbar has joined this channel (~scott@ip68-97-25-128.ok.ok.cox.net).
[20:24] <valorie> [13:23] --> ScottSanbar has joined this channel (~ScottSanb@ip68-97-25-128.ok.ok.cox.net).
[20:25] <ScottSanbar> AlanBell: I am now on irssi in a screen session, and have successfully disconnected while the irssi screen was maintained, killed my terminal, reconnected and this is really cool - thanks!
[20:27] <ScottSanbar> valorie:  did you see my message to AlanBell?
[20:29] <valorie> yes
[20:29] <valorie> if you send to the channel, everyone in channel sees it
[20:29] <valorie> you can also private message, but I'm not sure how you do that in irssi
[20:30] <valorie> also, in ubuntu namespaces, it's considered rude to PM without asking permission
[20:30] <ScottSanbar> ok, thanks - sorry
[20:32] <ScottSanbar> valorie:  you are a very nice person
[20:34] <Pendulum> valorie: can I PM you for a sec?
[20:34] <valorie> thanks!
[20:34] <valorie> yes
[20:37] <DelphiWorld> how are you valorie ?
[20:39] <valorie> I'm good
[20:40] <valorie> and you, DelphiWorld?
[20:40] <DelphiWorld> valorie: as sound i found #ubuntu-accessibility, i am ferly happy, valorie !
[20:41] <valorie> I don't really help out here, but I'm interested in progress
[20:42] <DelphiWorld> valorie: Welcome:)
[20:44] <DelphiWorld> where are you from valorie ?
[20:46] <valorie> I live an hour from Seattle, Washington in the US
[20:46] <valorie> you?
[20:47] <DelphiWorld> valorie: Algeria
[20:48] <valorie> cool!
[20:49] <valorie> I love that we have world-wide scope
[20:49] <DelphiWorld> valorie: Seriously... i Love UBUNTU.
[20:51]  * valorie is a Kubuntu user
[20:51] <valorie> I love the community
[20:51] <valorie> that we are KDE and Gnome people together
[20:51] <valorie> and also LXDE, etc.
[20:52] <DelphiWorld> valorie: :D
[20:52] <DelphiWorld> valorie: AlanBellnd are you blind too ?
[21:00] <DelphiWorld> valorie: are you blind too ?
[21:00] <DelphiWorld> SORY AlanBell :P
[21:00] <valorie> no, I'm sighted
[21:01] <valorie> just interested in a11y, because I think it's key
[21:01] <DelphiWorld> valorie: i am totaly blind
[21:01] <DelphiWorld> valorie: no eyes at all
[21:01] <valorie> diversity of all sorts is needed for a healthy project
[21:01] <valorie> I love that you are able to be online
[21:03] <DelphiWorld> valorie: seriously, here in our country everyone think that a blind man can't do anything at all
[21:04] <valorie> do you do testing for ubuntu?
[21:04] <DelphiWorld> valorie:  a bit
[21:04] <valorie> I used to ride the bus with a blind man daily
[21:04] <valorie> he was on his way to work, and me on my way to college
[21:04] <DelphiWorld> valorie: i see
[21:05] <DelphiWorld> valorie: sadly GPS maps is not yet up to date here
[21:05] <DelphiWorld> valorie: otherwise my iPhone:)
[21:05] <valorie> people can do a lot, if they are open to the possibilities
[21:05] <valorie> have you tried Marble?
[21:05] <valorie> which is a KDE product
[21:06] <valorie> not sure that runs on iPhone, but there is a Qt-only version for phones
[21:06] <DelphiWorld> valorie:  didn't try
[21:06] <valorie> might work well for you
[21:06] <valorie> it's a very active project
[21:07] <valorie> and KDE apps run in Ubuntu
[22:07] <AlanBell> ScottSanbar: great! glad it is working for you!