[18:00] Hello [18:00] hi TheMuso [18:00] and sladen [18:01] sladen: so who's daniela here ? [18:02] Hi [18:02] hey ScottSanbar [18:02] This IRC is pretty cool - I am using Trillian [18:02] DelphiWorld: TheMuso is in Australia, and it's the weekend, so might not be around [18:02] sladen: i see. [18:03] sladen: so TheMuso is daniela ? [18:03] OK [18:03] DelphiWorld: I don't think daniela is here, but Pendulum is a good starting contact [18:03] sladen: Fun. [18:03] DelphiWorld: ScottSanbar: who has what kit? [18:03] sladen: i am surprised, i never used linux like she do. [18:03] Welcome AlanBell [18:03] :) [18:03] what do you mean by kit? [18:04] ScottSanbar: braille terminal, speech synth, USB, serial, ... [18:04] DelphiWorld: I am just starting a server install in a virtual machine [18:04] Good, AlanBell [18:04] sladen: i have only serial cable, nothing else [18:04] I am not blind yet - just going blind slowly. I have big screens and they are close to my face, and that is enough for now. I am slowed down by not finding stuff on the screen sometimes, but not that bad yeat [18:05] DelphiWorld: what do you have on the end of the serial cable? Another machine/ [18:05] sladen: would by fun to test those stufs in ubuntu but sadly no brail display sales here [18:05] sladen: right, a Windows Spoken machine that 99.99% of blind users use it [18:06] so it boots to a list of languages, enter to select english then F5 to open a list of accessibility options [18:06] AlanBell: i see. [18:06] this contains "none", "High Contrast", "Braille Terminal" [18:06] AlanBell: but can not read those in the screen :) [18:07] so you want a serial port tty right? [18:08] AlanBell: yep [18:09] AlanBell: i am trying sladen suggestion, the alternate cd [18:10] DelphiWorld: alternate CD is basically plain "Debian-Installer", which I've used for dozens of serial-only installs (but not for several years) [18:10] DelphiWorld: so it /is/ possible. Just that I've forgotten how [18:12] Might this help: [18:12] Sorry: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SerialConsoleHowto [18:12] that seems to depend on you having already installed it [18:12] Oh, I see - sorry [18:14] ScottSanbar: I think you're referring to the Daniela persona? She's not a real person, she's a composite of several people we surveyed who have visual impairment/are blind (and the back story is all made up) [18:15] hello Pendulum [18:15] OK, thanks [18:16] Pendulum: OK, thanks [18:18] http://www.howtoforge.com/setting_up_a_serial_console this looks helpful, it describes some boot options that can be added to get it to talk on a serial console, I am just wondering how I could test them [18:18] DelphiWorld: oops sorry, I guess I meant you in that [18:18] Pendulum: :) [18:18] (sorry, my brain is about 5 places at the moment) [18:19] https://help.ubuntu.com/11.04/installation-guide/i386/boot-parms.html seems helpful [18:19] DelphiWorld: /I/ think roughly what you want to do is put the CD/USB in and install that it is booting (this will vary depending on BIOS setup) [18:19] sladen: :) [18:19] DelphiWorld: then interrupt the bootloader by using the serial port, at which Grub will use serial and the rest should all just work [18:20] DelphiWorld: or worst case, you need to interrupt the bootloader (Grub) from the keyboard by pressing shift repeatedly, then type [18:21] DelphiWorld: 'e' (for Edit). 'space', 'console=ttyS0' (capital 'S' for serial) [18:23] it is isolinux though from the CD [18:23] sladen: :) [18:35] * AlanBell has server booting over serial port \o/ [18:38] DelphiWorld: I have it working with the ubuntu server 11.04 CD [18:38] put in CD, enter to select english [18:38] F6, then escape [18:38] space then console=ttyS0 then return [18:39] AlanBell: do i need to type something ? [18:41] DelphiWorld: enter, f6, escape, space 'console=ttyS0; enter [18:41] DelphiWorld: then it starts working on serial [18:42] AlanBell: but ttyS0 is selectable or would i need to typ it ? [18:43] hahaha [18:43] i see torrent through Ipv6! [18:44] need to type it [18:44] you type console=ttyS0 [18:44] with a space in front of it [18:44] AlanBell: hmmm let me look where's = in Qwerty leyout [18:44] =yeah lol AlanBell is same as AZERTY ! [18:45] oh, want french? [18:45] AlanBell: yeah i am from algeria:D [18:46] if you want Francais then press cursor down 7 times right at the start [18:46] AlanBell: :P [18:47] AlanBell: i should wait for my friend to come online [18:47] AlanBell: so we do skype and he see my screen and tel me what's hapening;) [18:48] ok [18:48] don't bother trying to put it in French, it doesn't seem to make any difference! [18:48] AlanBell: yep, no need it at all ;) [18:49] AlanBell: would by a streaming server:P [18:49] AlanBell: i am planing to multicast through my Wifi from a DVB card [18:51] AlanBell: you see right ? not blind i mean [18:51] yeah I am sighted [18:52] AlanBell: and would i by able to help ubuntu accessibility ? if yes, what should i do ? [18:52] we would love more help :) [18:52] AlanBell: yeah ? you're also sighted ? [18:52] Pendulum: you too ? [18:54] DelphiWorld: yes, I'm sighted. [18:54] Pendulum, and AlanBell where are you from ? [18:54] I am from the UK [18:54] I'm in the US [18:54] we maybe should do a Ubuntu Accessibility Day [18:55] and you Pendulum ? [18:55] i am from Algeria [18:56] Pendulum: so Welcome both to algeria ;) [18:56] Pendulum, AlanBell please think about a Ubuntu accessibility meeting [18:56] DelphiWorld: I cannot help because I am new, but I am hoping to help before I go blind and learn [18:56] ScottSanbar: you're welcome :D [18:57] Thanks! [18:57] DelphiWorld: Thanks! [18:57] ScottSanbar: got it allready:D [18:57] DelphiWorld; Yeah, I am REALLY new! [18:58] getting ubuntu alternative CD 27% [18:58] using torrent [18:58] DelphiWorld: we're going to have a meeting the end of this month [18:58] Pendulum: where ? [18:58] in this IRC channel [18:58] I just haven't been well enough to hold one recently (I had surgery about 6 weeks ago) [18:58] Pendulum: i see [18:58] Pendulum: better to do a real meeting like in south affrica [19:00] and you, sladen ? [19:00] there are local team meetings in different countries, and every 6 months there is a conference about the next release of Ubuntu [19:01] AlanBell: yeah [19:01] AlanBell: i was hoping to go to ubuntu tunisia but sadly was a bad time [19:02] AlanBell: what are you using right now to chat ? [19:02] irssi which is a command line IRC client and I am running it in a screen session so I can leave it running all the time [19:03] AlanBell: and tts or brail ? [19:04] eyes :) I am sighted [19:04] AlanBell: ahh [19:04] * DelphiWorld getting food... too late ! [19:05] AlanBell: Have you tried Trillian? Or do you prefere the command line for IRC? [19:07] I kind of like the command line for IRC, it works on my phone too [19:08] AlanBell: In what sense do you use your phone for IRC? Just talking to IRC posts messages??? [19:10] I have an android phone with an ssh client on it [19:16] ScottSanbar: I can ssh in and connect to my running IRC client, which is in about 50 channels and has all the scrollback [19:16] Ah, I see - stable, solid and if you disconnect, just re-ssh and reconnect without losing your sessions, right? [19:16] yeah [19:17] and I can start a conversation on my laptop, and continue on the phone without disconnecting [19:17] Once you ssh in, you must have a background IRC client, like a daemon, that is maintaining state and that you can connect to. What is the software that does that? Am I describing it right? [19:17] about right :) [19:18] AlanBell: What IRC client? [19:18] screen is the software that allows you to have running terminal sessions that you can disconnect from [19:19] Oh, now I see - is screen available by default in Ubunto, or must I get it? Link? [19:19] or you can run byobu which is 'screen' but set up right [19:19] just run byobu [19:19] OK, thanks. [19:21] I am using VNC right now since I do not have a keyboard or mouse for my Ubuntu machine. That would work in a similar manner (I use tightvnc as the server, and Real VNC on my Windows Vista Box. TightVNC maintains a stable, standalone complete desktop that I can connect/disconnect from at will just as if I was directly on the Ubuntu keyboard/mouse/display [19:22] yes, same kind of thing, but for a terminal session [19:22] The terminal session thing would work for iPhone, Android, Tablets where I am betting VNC is not available, right? [19:26] AlanBell: Are you using IRSSI? [19:26] yes, irssi [19:27] works anywhere with an ssh client basically [19:31] brb installing [19:32] excellent! [19:32] AlanBell: :P [19:39] hi valorie [20:08] AlanBell: I am now on this forum using irssi in a screen session over a terminal from a windows PC to my Ubuntu PC [20:11] AlanBell: Thanks for your help. I like this [20:14] AlanBell: I just disconnected, killed my terminal, and reconnected - works great! Thanks! [20:15] I am not receiving messages. If anyone can see my messages, please reply, if you do not mind [20:23] ScottSanbar: I can see you [20:23] and your texting [20:23] valorie: ok, thanks [20:23] valorie: my user_name was incorrect [20:24] ok [20:24] 13:07] --> ScottSanbar has joined this channel (~scott@ip68-97-25-128.ok.ok.cox.net). [20:24] [13:23] --> ScottSanbar has joined this channel (~ScottSanb@ip68-97-25-128.ok.ok.cox.net). [20:25] AlanBell: I am now on irssi in a screen session, and have successfully disconnected while the irssi screen was maintained, killed my terminal, reconnected and this is really cool - thanks! [20:27] valorie: did you see my message to AlanBell? [20:29] yes [20:29] if you send to the channel, everyone in channel sees it [20:29] you can also private message, but I'm not sure how you do that in irssi [20:30] also, in ubuntu namespaces, it's considered rude to PM without asking permission [20:30] ok, thanks - sorry [20:32] valorie: you are a very nice person [20:34] valorie: can I PM you for a sec? [20:34] thanks! [20:34] yes [20:37] how are you valorie ? [20:39] I'm good [20:40] and you, DelphiWorld? [20:40] valorie: as sound i found #ubuntu-accessibility, i am ferly happy, valorie ! [20:41] I don't really help out here, but I'm interested in progress [20:42] valorie: Welcome:) [20:44] where are you from valorie ? [20:46] I live an hour from Seattle, Washington in the US [20:46] you? [20:47] valorie: Algeria [20:48] cool! [20:49] I love that we have world-wide scope [20:49] valorie: Seriously... i Love UBUNTU. [20:51] * valorie is a Kubuntu user [20:51] I love the community [20:51] that we are KDE and Gnome people together [20:51] and also LXDE, etc. [20:52] valorie: :D [20:52] valorie: AlanBellnd are you blind too ? [21:00] valorie: are you blind too ? [21:00] SORY AlanBell :P [21:00] no, I'm sighted [21:01] just interested in a11y, because I think it's key [21:01] valorie: i am totaly blind [21:01] valorie: no eyes at all [21:01] diversity of all sorts is needed for a healthy project [21:01] I love that you are able to be online [21:03] valorie: seriously, here in our country everyone think that a blind man can't do anything at all [21:04] do you do testing for ubuntu? [21:04] valorie: a bit [21:04] I used to ride the bus with a blind man daily [21:04] he was on his way to work, and me on my way to college [21:04] valorie: i see [21:05] valorie: sadly GPS maps is not yet up to date here [21:05] valorie: otherwise my iPhone:) [21:05] people can do a lot, if they are open to the possibilities [21:05] have you tried Marble? [21:05] which is a KDE product [21:06] not sure that runs on iPhone, but there is a Qt-only version for phones [21:06] valorie: didn't try [21:06] might work well for you [21:06] it's a very active project [21:07] and KDE apps run in Ubuntu [22:07] ScottSanbar: great! glad it is working for you!