[03:42] <sagaci> jaddi27: any time spare for a few translations?
[03:43] <jaddi27> yes, i have a bit
[03:44] <jaddi27> sagaci, what would you like me to do?
[03:44] <sagaci> ah nothing specific, just wondering if you were busy or not
[03:45] <sagaci> if we can get to under 100,000 strings by release, I'll feel pretty content with doing the rest of them by 12.04
[04:01] <head_victim> sagaci & jaddi27 I just sent a meeting reminder to the list for tomorrow night
[04:03] <sagaci> thanks, totally forgot it was on
[04:03] <head_victim> From memory jaddi27 is down as the chair, will you be available then jaddi27 ?
[04:04] <sagaci> yeah, since I did the August one
[04:13] <jaddi27> head_victim, Yes, I should be free at this stage
[04:13] <jaddi27> The event on facebook seems to have a few people listed as attending
[04:45] <head_victim> jaddi27: yeah that's a promising sign. Maybe a reminder to that group would be good
[04:45] <jaddi27> Yes, I could do that. Just on the group wall?
[04:46] <head_victim> I guess? Facebook is not my strong suit
[04:47] <jaddi27> Ok. I will put one there. Everyone in the group should also see the event listed in their upcoming events section as well
[04:47] <head_victim> Good stuff.
[04:47] <head_victim> I only have a facebook profile so I can do stuff in that team page
[04:48] <head_victim> I don't really know how to use it too well.
[04:48] <jaddi27> Ok. I have found some more information about Facebook groups vs pages that I was going to send to you as well
[04:55] <head_victim> No worries either PM links or shoot an email is fine.
[04:55] <head_victim> I'm hoping it's confirmed our current format
[04:55] <jaddi27> Well, it hasn't exactly
[04:56] <jaddi27> http://www.facebook.com/help/?page=18966
[04:56] <jaddi27> http://www.facebook.com/help/?faq=13622
[04:57] <jaddi27> It appears as though they are changing groups from the format like ours is currently in to a new format
[04:57] <jaddi27> The new format is good for small groups, but not quite as good for what we do at the moment possibly
[04:58] <jaddi27> I think a good example would be to compare our Ubuntu-au group to the Ubuntu page on facebook
[04:58] <jaddi27> http://www.facebook.com/ubuntulinux
[05:51] <head_victim> So you think the page or the group best suits what we're currently doing?
[05:54] <jaddi27> Under the new type, I think page
[05:54] <jaddi27> but i am still trying to work out how eventswork with pages
[05:57] <jaddi27> At the moment, leave it as is, but when our group is changed to the new type, we can re-evaluate
[05:58] <head_victim> No worries. I guess we can just see how it goes, might find it better than we anticipate as well.  Never know I guess.
[06:00] <jaddi27> Yes, it is hard to tell. Ultimately I would prefer a cross between the two
[08:22] <sagaci> 30% to go
[08:22] <fabricator4> ?
[08:23] <sagaci> en_AU translation, ~119,300 to go
[08:24] <fabricator4> Ah.  :-)
[08:25] <fabricator4> My good dead for the day:  Gave a scammer hell.  :-p
[08:25] <sagaci> nice
[08:26] <fabricator4> Indian, she was crying by the time I hung up.
[08:26] <sagaci> :/
[08:27] <fabricator4> Well,   maybe she'll go and do something else rather the preying on the vulnerable.
[08:28] <fabricator4> She asked how I knew she was a scammer.  My reply: "there are NO Windows machine in this house"  :-)
[08:28] <sagaci> fair enough
[08:29] <fabricator4> Cruel to be kind.  :-)
[08:30] <fabricator4> Arrgh.  the battery panel indicator on this EeePC is playing up
[08:41] <head_victim> The worst part about the scammers, they're told they're doing legit work.
[08:47] <fabricator4> She didn't seem to know what a "scammer" was.
[08:48] <frederick85> i had dealings with a computer store today and i believe I got ripped off
[08:48] <frederick85> I payed 300 for an upgraded motherboard and processor and they did nothing but downgraded it
[08:48] <fabricator4> I think she had a fair idea by the time I'd finished talking.  :-/
[08:48] <frederick85> now they think i have to pay them 200 dollars for their hard work
[08:49] <fabricator4> frederick85, what happened?
[08:49] <frederick85> i payed 300 to get my computer upgraded
[08:49] <frederick85> they downgraded it so i took it bacfk
[08:49] <frederick85> they couldn't find another motherboard for the same socket
[08:49] <frederick85> i boguht a motherboard but it turned out to be faulty
[08:49] <frederick85> and the computer store is charging me for all the work they did installing motherboards
[08:50] <frederick85> even though they got it wrong
[08:50] <fabricator4> They didn't have your old one to put back in?
[08:50] <frederick85> it was broken
[08:51] <frederick85> i tried to just get my money back but they only said they'd give me 100 back of the 300
[08:51] <fabricator4> Ah.  So it's working now for $300 - $100?
[08:51] <frederick85> no it's not working
[08:51] <frederick85> its still in their store
[08:51] <fabricator4> eerk
[08:51] <frederick85> no mother board
[08:51] <frederick85> no processor
[08:52] <frederick85> i'm going to buy a motherboard and processor from another store
[08:52] <fabricator4> No fix, no Pay
[08:52] <head_victim> Hmm you said you paid 300 for a new cpu and MB though
[08:52] <frederick85> and get this store to install it
[08:52] <frederick85> yes I did pay 300 with intention to get a new cpu and MB
[08:52] <frederick85> but they gave me a downgraded 4 year old motherboard
[08:52] <frederick85> and a processor for an old socket
[08:52] <frederick85> thats why i took it back
[08:52] <head_victim> Hmm that sounds a bit odd.
[08:53] <fabricator4> Yes, they tried to rip you off.
[08:53] <frederick85> i said you are screwing me around i want a new motherboard
[08:53] <head_victim> This is why I hate dealing with old computers though. Making bits and pieces fit together sucks.
[08:53] <frederick85> and they said i had to pay extra
[08:53] <frederick85> i found an old computer on the road collection
[08:53] <head_victim> You upgrade the cpu and mb you're likely to need to upgrade the ram as well.
[08:53] <frederick85> and fixed it
[08:54] <frederick85> well it was realible to think they were giving me an upgrade for 300 dollars
[08:54] <frederick85> they said they upgraded only in terms of it being working again
[08:54] <head_victim> For 300 I'd expect a working computer, not an upgrade.
[08:54] <frederick85> well even if they did upgrade it for 300 it would work out to them getting 80 dollars for their work
[08:54] <fabricator4> It can add up, but for $300 you'd expect a working computer.
[08:54] <frederick85> i did get a working computer
[08:54] <frederick85> but it was a downgrade
[08:55] <frederick85> a 4 year old motherboard
[08:55] <head_victim> How old was the MB it was replacing?
[08:55] <frederick85> that only supported 2g of ram
[08:55] <head_victim> What socket are you talking about?
[08:55] <frederick85> 775
[08:55] <fabricator4> That sounds like my main machine :-)
[08:56] <frederick85> the one i was replacing was working fine but supported more ram than the one i put in
[08:56] <frederick85> so I couldn't play my games on high resolution anymore
[08:56] <head_victim> My usual computer store doesn't even stock socket 775 MBs anymore
[08:56] <frederick85> yeah they are so dumb
[08:56] <frederick85> i felt like punching the guy
[08:56] <frederick85> but i'd probably end up worse if i did
[08:57] <head_victim> Well realistically it all depends on how you approached them for the work. If you just said fix it, well they have fixed it.
[08:57] <frederick85> he was just ignorant of the motherboards specs he gave me
[08:57] <frederick85> well they gave me the impression they would be upgrading it
[08:58] <frederick85> but today they turned around and said we only upgraded it in terms of working
[08:58] <fabricator4> realistically, for an upgrade to a quad core: MB $180, CPU $100, 4GB memory $180.  Add labour to that - at least 1 hour.
[08:58] <frederick85> 4gb memory is 90
[08:59] <frederick85> can get a ddr3 mb and processor for 140
[08:59] <fabricator4> depends on the speed.
[08:59] <frederick85> i just bought 4gb of memory for 90 dollars ddr3
[08:59] <fabricator4> Yes, but they can't sell it for that if that's what they pay for it.
[08:59] <head_victim> fabricator4: depends on the store, that's going to a cheap place with no service.
[08:59] <frederick85> they reckon they were charging me 80 dollars for an hour labor
[09:00] <head_victim> frederick85: that's about normal in my experience.
[09:00] <fabricator4> Fair enough.  $60 is too cheap, $100 is too expensive.  $80 is fair.  
[09:00] <frederick85> i shouldn't have had to pay for their work if they didn't do anything though
[09:01] <fabricator4> It sounds like the service was bad.  I wouldn't do that repair unless the customer knew exactly what he was getting back.
[09:01] <head_victim> frederick85: they did replace your MB and CPU though.
[09:01] <frederick85> yeah but with a dodgy one
[09:01] <frederick85> it only supported 2g of ram
[09:01] <head_victim> Like I said, dpends on how the conversation all went what they're doing could be totally expected.
[09:01] <frederick85> i wouldn't have gotten it if I knew it was a downgrade
[09:01] <benonsoftware> Hi all
[09:01] <frederick85> i'm reporting them to dept of consumer affairs
[09:02] <fabricator4> Case of reality not meeting customer expectations - the store has to put it right
[09:02] <frederick85> they didn't even give me a tax invoice or anything
[09:02] <head_victim> fabricator4: depends on how the original conversation went really, if it was dropped off as not working and said fix it. They call back saying 300 to fix and the customer says ok, then it's all perfectly fine.
[09:02] <frederick85> i said upgrade it
[09:02] <frederick85> it wasn't simply fix it
[09:03] <frederick85> and they downgraded it with a 4-5 year old board
[09:03] <head_victim> Well I'm not willing to say they've done anything wrong without being present for all the conversation :/
[09:04] <head_victim> You should be able to return the MB and CPU and get refunds on those but you'll be out of pocket for the labour.
[09:04] <frederick85> i can only get 100 dollars back
[09:04] <fabricator4> I wouldn't do that particular fix unless the customer knew exactly what he was getting.  It seems like a lack of communication on their part.
[09:05] <fabricator4> At the end of the day, you might have to chalk it up to experience.
[09:05] <head_victim> fabricator4: yeah hard to say without knowing the full story. All I know is I hate buggering around with old hardware :/
[09:05] <head_victim> I spent 3 hours one day on a computer store workbench to figure out the case had a fault earthing power switch.
[09:06] <head_victim> I assumed PSU or MB issus.
[09:06] <frederick85> i'm just annoyed at the lack of communication
[09:07] <fabricator4> :-)  Doesn't scare me - I had a rebooting machine that had a colleage stumped.  Trace the fault to a badly fitted reset switch.
[09:07] <frederick85> they didn't tell me what i was getting and they themselves were ignorant of the mb specs
[09:07] <head_victim> Did you have more then 2gb of ram in it to start with?
[09:07] <fabricator4> cowboys.  :-[
[09:07] <frederick85> yes i had more than 2gb of ddr2 ram
[09:07] <head_victim> fabricator4: wasn't scary, just annoying.
[09:07] <frederick85> and some of the ram was too fast for the MB they gave me
[09:07] <fabricator4> Been THERE  :-)
[09:08] <head_victim> frederick85: too fast isn't an issue it will just clock down to highest support speed.
[09:08] <fabricator4> frederick85, that's not normally a problem
[09:08] <frederick85> 2 of my memory sticks didn't work in it
[09:08] <frederick85> because they were newer i guess
[09:08] <fabricator4> Could be an issue with too slow, or double sided... something like that
[09:09] <head_victim> Or if you have other sticks they might not be compatible together.
[09:09] <frederick85> they were all working in my old computer
[09:09] <fabricator4> Yes, should stick to same brand/type if possible.
[09:10] <frederick85> my old computer was fine except the heat sink lost it's fluid in the coil
[09:10] <frederick85> and i couldn't replace it because didn't have bracket
[09:10] <fabricator4> What works in one computer may not work in another.
[09:11] <frederick85> but i can get my computer fixed still i just going to get a motherboard and processor from another store
[09:11] <fabricator4> Solution: buy old CPU off Ebay (and take the lottery that you get sold a working unit)
[09:11] <frederick85> and get same store to fix it with the last 80 dollars they owe me
[09:11] <frederick85> well i found this old computer on the side of the road yesterday so i have that until i get my gaming one fixed
[09:12] <frederick85> running xubuntu on it
[09:12] <fabricator4> What is in it?
[09:12] <frederick85> it's a pentium 4 1.7 ghz
[09:12] <frederick85> with 256mb of ram
[09:12] <fabricator4> :-)
[09:12] <fabricator4> You might try Lubuntu on that one.
[09:13] <frederick85> can't now unless i go for a big walk
[09:13] <frederick85> no cd burner 
[09:13] <fabricator4> USB stick
[09:13] <frederick85> no usb stick either
[09:13] <fabricator4> No Woolworths/Coles
[09:14] <fabricator4> ?
[09:14] <frederick85> xubuntu is running on it already
[09:14] <frederick85> why bother?
[09:14] <frederick85> it's a temporary fix
[09:14] <fabricator4> Will run faster - less overhead
[09:14] <fabricator4> fair enough
[09:14] <frederick85> it's going to be a spare if i get my other one running
[09:15] <fabricator4> I have a Celeron 2.8 GHz with 1Gb that I use for testing betas and playing with distros.
[09:15] <head_victim> Well the only thing I'd suggest is take it back and ask politely for them to fix your issue, if they don't take you 100 dollars and never go baclk
[09:16] <fabricator4> Agreed.  You'll get a lot further by being pleasant, even though it might be hard to do so.
[09:16] <head_victim> I'm hoping to ditch all my socket 478 soon :D I only have 1 pc running on that old stuff. I just need to find a way to upgrade the server so I can swap out it's s775 into the s478 that's stillin use and I can ditch about 4 cartons of spares.
[09:16] <frederick85> i'm just going to buy a motherboard and processor myself and get them to install it
[09:17] <frederick85> maybe i can sell this computer i found to make up for losing 300 dollars to the computer repair people for their "labor"
[09:18] <fabricator4> It's worth more as a working spare that it is to sell.  If you don't want it, donate it.
[09:18] <fabricator4> * than it is to sell
[09:18] <frederick85> donating it is probably a good idea
[09:19] <frederick85> i have friends who can't afford a computer
[09:19] <fabricator4> There you go.  You can help a friend and make a 'buntu convert in one go.
[09:23] <frederick85> yes nothing like being helpful to humanity
[09:23] <frederick85> in some way or another
[09:24] <head_victim> I've both sent parts to people from the team and also received some. So it all goes around in the end.
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