| ScottK | Anyone packaging up mgraesslin's kwin fix for 4.7? (see packagers) | 01:31 |
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| micahg | any idea what caused this build failure? https://launchpadlibrarian.net/79514260/buildlog_ubuntu-lucid-ia64.qt4-x11_4%3A4.6.2-0ubuntu5.3_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz | 02:30 |
| * micahg dreads the idea of respinning qt4-x11 for ia64 | 02:37 | |
| ScottK | micahg: No. I'd hit retry and see if it magically works. | 03:28 |
| micahg | ScottK: ok, it's only 12 hours, thanks | 03:34 |
| debfx | ScottK: quassel-core creates world-readable directories :( | 10:25 |
| debfx | and the generated ssl cert+key file is world-readable | 10:29 |
| debfx | also the logs | 10:29 |
| Quintasan_ | ScottK: urgh, some idiot broke phone line here and I dont have internet | 10:29 |
| === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan | ||
| bulldog98 | Quintasan: that’s always a nice feature :) | 10:30 |
| Quintasan | bulldog98: Care to elaborate how having no internet while runtime is apparently broken nice? | 10:31 |
| bulldog98 | Quintasan: it was meant ironic | 10:32 |
| * bulldog98 handles cookies and tea to Quintasan | 10:33 | |
| Quintasan | Oh, I see | 10:33 |
| Quintasan | Well, now the damn PC wont boot | 10:33 |
| Quintasan | ffs | 10:33 |
| * Quintasan need to take the pc to the shop to get it repaired or replaced | 10:33 | |
| bulldog98 | Quintasan: have you tried to recover grub? | 10:34 |
| Quintasan | bulldog98: It's not GRUB related | 10:35 |
| Quintasan | If it was GRUB then I would have fixed it by now | 10:35 |
| Quintasan | it's faulty hardware | 10:35 |
| bulldog98 | Quintasan: that sucks | 10:35 |
| bulldog98 | Quintasan: have you put new RAM into it? that was my problem at friday | 10:36 |
| Quintasan | I believe it's a shitty power supply but I dont have a spare one confirm it | 10:36 |
| Quintasan | bulldog98: I did but the problem was occuring even before I added memory | 10:37 |
| Quintasan | when I shutdown the PC it refuses to boot when I turn it on immediately after | 10:37 |
| Quintasan | it powers on, fans spin, hdd starts working but nothing happens | 10:37 |
| Quintasan | when I reboot it from os it reboots normally | 10:38 |
| bulldog98 | Quintasan: have you placed the RAM tight enought, my PC refused to boot, cause I hadn’t put it in hard enought | 10:38 |
| Quintasan | thats not the case | 10:38 |
| bulldog98 | hm | 10:38 |
| Quintasan | Im telling you I had this even before putting new memory | 10:38 |
| bulldog98 | strange | 10:39 |
| Quintasan | i know. that's why Im going to shop tomorrow and tell him to fix at once or rma the parts | 10:42 |
| Quintasan | I dont care which part is at fault | 10:42 |
| debfx | apachelogger, ScottK: the quasselcore-makecert is currently broken (tries to write into the wrong dir). do you want to keep it? I think we shouldn't encourage creating self-signed ssl certs ... | 10:49 |
| debfx | on the other hand quassel doesn't seem to be able to verify certificates :/ | 10:50 |
| bulldog98 | debfx: I think any cert is better than no cert at all | 10:50 |
| debfx | bulldog98: yes but that's hardly a justification for telling people to create self-signed certs | 10:53 |
| apachelogger | debfx: the point of the cert is not for it to be verified but for it to encrypt communication from core to client | 11:05 |
| apachelogger | much like an ssh cert | 11:05 |
| apachelogger | s/cert/key | 11:05 |
| apachelogger | kubotu: order coffee | 11:05 |
| * kubotu slides coffee with milk down the bar to apachelogger. | 11:05 | |
| bulldog98 | kubotu: order tea | 11:06 |
| * kubotu gives bulldog98 a nice hot cup of tea. | 11:06 | |
| apachelogger | kubotu: order a plate of eggs in the basket | 11:06 |
| * kubotu slides a plate of eggs in the basket down the bar to apachelogger | 11:06 | |
| bulldog98 | kubotu: order pork with potatoes | 11:07 |
| * kubotu slides pork with potatoes down the bar to bulldog98 | 11:07 | |
| debfx | eh? if you don't verify the cert somehow ssl is mostly useless | 11:07 |
| apachelogger | debfx: nonono, you verify the cert | 11:07 |
| bulldog98 | debfx: I think the guys, that install quassel-core know how to check the fingerprint of an ssc cert | 11:08 |
| apachelogger | much like an ssh key | 11:08 |
| bulldog98 | you can scp the cert to your pc and import it as knowen cert | 11:08 |
| apachelogger | once you have established that your server has a given cert you get encrypted connection plus man-in-the-middle would trigger a cert warning or something | 11:08 |
| debfx | sure, but if quassel had a proper certificate you wouldn't need to verify it at all | 11:10 |
| debfx | *verify manually | 11:10 |
| debfx | bulldog98: yes, but not all users install their own quassel core | 11:11 |
| bulldog98 | debfx: then the guy that installed it has to send them a gpg encryped mail containing the ssl cert | 11:11 |
| bulldog98 | on the other hand gaining a singed cert is a bunch of work | 11:12 |
| apachelogger | with no advantage | 11:12 |
| bulldog98 | as one can see in the nice problems of ssl certs | 11:13 |
| bulldog98 | namly google.com | 11:13 |
| debfx | bulldog98: quassel is supposed to accept certs signed by trusted CAs so that won't help you at all | 11:16 |
| bulldog98 | debfx: one point for you :) | 11:17 |
| debfx | the advantage is of course that you don't need to verify the cert manually | 11:17 |
| bulldog98 | still it’s much overhead getting a ssl cert singed and most times you have to pay for that. (If you only have 6 users, you can tell them: that’s the fingerprint, import it and everything will work fine) | 11:18 |
| debfx | it takes about 30 seconds to create a cert signed by startssl and doesn't cost you anything | 11:21 |
| debfx | anyway that makecert script is completely broken | 11:24 |
| debfx | and has been since at least lucid | 11:25 |
| bulldog98 | debfx: maybe we should just print some instructions howto create a singed cert? | 11:26 |
| ari-tczew | apachelogger: bug 846027 is a bug which I said you last time here | 11:26 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 846027 in kde-workspace (Ubuntu) "strange behavior of second panel" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/846027 | 11:26 |
| apachelogger | ari-tczew: quite honestly I believe this to be a graphics driver issue | 11:30 |
| apachelogger | I know that JontheEchidna is also running a 2 panel setup, and he does not have this problem | 11:30 |
| apachelogger | anyhow | 11:30 |
| debfx | bulldog98: imho the ssl cert business is something server admins should know about (or be able to google), so creating an inital certificate on package install is good enough | 11:30 |
| apachelogger | ari-tczew: you should move the bug to bugs.kde.org, it does not sound particularly kubuntu specific IMHO | 11:31 |
| bulldog98 | apachelogger: yofel and me also have 2 panels | 11:32 |
| ari-tczew | apachelogger: look at this my report https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=280739 | 11:32 |
| ubottu | KDE bug 280739 in general "plasma crashes when I have second panel" [Crash,Unconfirmed] | 11:32 |
| apachelogger | plasma_applet_message_indicator | 11:32 |
| apachelogger | that BT suggests that it is not a bug in plasma but the message indicator | 11:33 |
| apachelogger | agateau_ ^^^^^ | 11:33 |
| debfx | ari-tczew: does it still crash with the latest message-indicator package? | 11:35 |
| debfx | the backtrace looks a lot like bug #631794 | 11:35 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 631794 in plasma-widget-message-indicator (Ubuntu Oneiric) "widget crashes when starting Thunderbird or Evolution" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/631794 | 11:35 |
| ari-tczew | debfx: hmm not sure, because now I'm ingoring all crashes due to out of time. I'll make sure on next time boot. | 11:36 |
| ari-tczew | debfx: I use evolution, so maybe this is the bug which you gave number | 11:36 |
| ari-tczew | bulldog98, yofel_, JontheEchidna: what's your graphic card? | 11:37 |
| bulldog98 | ari-tczew: nvidia | 11:37 |
| ari-tczew | bulldog98: my too ... | 11:37 |
| bulldog98 | ari-tczew: but I also had that running on intel | 11:37 |
| bulldog98 | ari-tczew: nouveau or nvidia driver? | 11:37 |
| ari-tczew | bulldog98: nvidia driver | 11:38 |
| * bulldog98 too | 11:38 | |
| bulldog98 | hm strange | 11:38 |
| bulldog98 | ari-tczew: where are the 2 panels? At the bottom and the top? | 11:39 |
| bulldog98 | hm I’ve got one left and one right | 11:39 |
| bulldog98 | and that works | 11:39 |
| apachelogger | that is vastly different though :P | 11:39 |
| apachelogger | also mind that a dual screen setup could be messing with it | 11:40 |
| apachelogger | the plasma is not particularly dual screen friendly | 11:40 |
| ari-tczew | apachelogger: hmm, I'll plug-off TV | 11:41 |
| ari-tczew | bulldog98: yes bottom and top (up and down) | 11:41 |
| bulldog98 | yofel and me don’t use that setting | 11:42 |
| === yofel_ is now known as yofel | ||
| yofel | ari-tczew, bulldog98: I actually saw that bug yesterday after finally rebooting in a while | 11:43 |
| bulldog98 | apachelogger: I thought aseigo was going to fix that | 11:43 |
| yofel | I don't get a crash though, just that one panel isn't where it's supposed to be | 11:43 |
| bulldog98 | yofel: I haven’t got that with the packages of 8th | 11:43 |
| apachelogger | *shrug* | 11:43 |
| * apachelogger stopped caring about plasma 5 releases back | 11:43 | |
| bulldog98 | but I only have one monitor on my screen | 11:44 |
| yofel | bulldog98: not sure if I had all updates installed, I don't have much bandwidth here | 11:44 |
| apachelogger | sheytan: dude, I like need a quick n dirty mockup for muon on a mobile phone | 11:44 |
| yofel | will try later | 11:44 |
| bulldog98 | ari-tczew: maybe you should talk to the guys in #plasma they know best how to handle with stuff like that | 11:45 |
| ari-tczew | yofel: did you see wrong panel displaying like in my bug? | 11:45 |
| yofel | ari-tczew: yep, like an additional invisible panel beside it | 11:46 |
| ari-tczew | nice! I'm not alone with that bug | 11:47 |
| ari-tczew | yofel: what's your graphic card? | 11:47 |
| yofel | nvidia | 11:48 |
| bulldog98 | ari-tczew: btw why don’t you have the panel completly at top, you can move the crashew to change that | 11:48 |
| yofel | bulldog98: *that* is the bug | 11:48 |
| bulldog98 | yofel: ah ok | 11:48 |
| bulldog98 | then I haven’t get the numbering of the stuff | 11:49 |
| ari-tczew | yofel: me too nvidia | 11:49 |
| yofel | I set mine to the left, but when I login again it's a bit away from the screen edge like there's an invisible panel now | 11:49 |
| yofel | once you adjust the screen edge it moves back where it's supposed to be | 11:49 |
| bulldog98 | yofel: and I hadn’t that when I logged in this moring | 11:49 |
| yofel | ok, installing updates again, will take a while | 11:49 |
| bulldog98 | ari-tczew: do you have latest packages installed? | 11:50 |
| ari-tczew | yofel: could you comment on my bug reported? | 11:50 |
| ari-tczew | bulldog98: which package? | 11:50 |
| bulldog98 | ari-tczew: all? | 11:50 |
| yofel | ari-tczew: later once I know if the updates help or not | 11:51 |
| bulldog98 | there was an x update yesterday or the day before yesterday, maybe that fixed it? | 11:51 |
| ari-tczew | bulldog98: x* packages are up-todated, kdegraphics has got something to update (new upstream release 4.7.1), I'll update later my system because I need to go out in a while | 11:53 |
| bulldog98 | hm | 11:54 |
| bulldog98 | ScottK: workspace compiles, doesn’t it? | 12:01 |
| * bulldog98 takes over fixing that | 12:05 | |
| bulldog98 | yofel: it could also be a qt regression | 12:13 |
| bulldog98 | since I don’t have 4.7.4 installed by now | 12:13 |
| bulldog98 | seems I have | 12:14 |
| Mamarok | shadeslayer: any news about 2.4.3 packages for Natty? | 13:09 |
| Mamarok | Also there still is no announcement for Oneiric and the packages are available since quite some time | 13:10 |
| bulldog98 | apachelogger: does that looks like a bug fix for you? http://paste.ubuntu.com/686855/ | 13:20 |
| apachelogger | where did you get that from? | 13:21 |
| apachelogger | it looks rather bogus | 13:21 |
| apachelogger | the length has nothing to do with the width really... one could wordwrap and whatnot | 13:22 |
| bulldog98 | apachelogger: I wrote it myself | 13:23 |
| apachelogger | what are you trying to solve? | 13:24 |
| bulldog98 | apachelogger: problem is German translation is cut of | 13:24 |
| bulldog98 | in shutdown dialog | 13:24 |
| apachelogger | screenshot | 13:24 |
| apachelogger | also what class does KSMPushButton derive from? | 13:25 |
| bulldog98 | apachelogger: can you do a screenshot, while logging out? | 13:25 |
| apachelogger | ksnapshot with time set to 3 seconds or so | 13:25 |
| apachelogger | trigger logout dialog | 13:25 |
| apachelogger | wait for ksnapshot to take a shot | 13:25 |
| apachelogger | cancle logout | 13:25 |
| Mamarok | apachelogger: that guy again with his broken Kubuntu: http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=96851&sid=e9737065e8f68f47c773187d9094b7f2&p=203673#p203614 | 13:25 |
| Mamarok | I moved that part of the thread as it has no relation to Amarok whatsoever | 13:26 |
| Mamarok | also, what in the word "revoked" didn't he understand? | 13:26 |
| apachelogger | he did not do what I told him | 13:26 |
| apachelogger | namely wipe all of qt apps and reinstall kubuntu-desktop | 13:27 |
| apachelogger | since he does not do what I tell him to, I really cannot help him | 13:27 |
| apachelogger | that guy is rather confused I might say... but, but! someone should make him a minion | 13:27 |
| apachelogger | I feel he would make a great minion, he certainly doesnt give up easily | 13:28 |
| bulldog98 | apachelogger: can I batpaste screenshots? | 13:28 |
| apachelogger | no | 13:29 |
| apachelogger | there is a plasmoid | 13:29 |
| apachelogger | you can drag right form ksnapshot | 13:29 |
| bulldog98 | apachelogger: pastebin? | 13:30 |
| apachelogger | *shrug* | 13:31 |
| apachelogger | some paste | 13:31 |
| apachelogger | there are of course more paste plasmoids than clock plasmoids | 13:31 |
| apachelogger | of course just like with the clock plasmoids they all seem rather pointless to me | 13:31 |
| apachelogger | *shrug* | 13:31 |
| bulldog98 | apachelogger: btw did you manage to get the unicorn in the analog clock to vomit? | 13:33 |
| apachelogger | no | 13:33 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: http://i.imgur.com/ZwntD.png | 13:42 |
| === tazz_ is now known as tazz | ||
| d_ed | hey all, is there a way to do an apt-file search on the kubuntu backports PPA ? | 14:04 |
| d_ed | in particular kwineffects.h (and all other related kwin headers) which were in kdebase-workspace-dev appear to have vanished | 14:05 |
| apachelogger | sure | 14:05 |
| d_ed | (they're back in project-neon though) | 14:05 |
| apachelogger | add the the ppas deb-src line to your sources.list :P | 14:05 |
| d_ed | it's there. | 14:06 |
| d_ed | "deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/backports/ubuntu/ natty main " | 14:06 |
| d_ed | and on apt-file update I get: | 14:07 |
| d_ed | http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/backports/ubuntu/dists/natty/Contents-amd64.gz | 14:07 |
| d_ed | Ignoring source without Contents File: | 14:07 |
| d_ed | on a quick check there doesn't appear to be a Contents.gz file on any ppa. | 14:08 |
| apachelogger | maybe indeed it does not work | 14:14 |
| apachelogger | #launchpad will know alllll the details | 14:14 |
| apachelogger | also they are at fault if it does not work :P | 14:14 |
| bambee | evening | 14:20 |
| debfx | great, we throw away all upstream quassel desktop file translations | 14:48 |
| debfx | apachelogger: evaluating if we should get rid of that desktop file stripping would be a good uds session | 14:49 |
| apachelogger | please add | 14:50 |
| apachelogger | I was thinking about it | 14:51 |
| apachelogger | but | 14:51 |
| apachelogger | we are having l10n sessions for decades and nothing ever changes | 14:51 |
| apachelogger | debfx: actually the stripping has advantages... like when you edit a desktop file using menuedit it will be copied to your home, meaning you'll not get translation updates and stuff | 14:52 |
| debfx | apachelogger: imho that's a small advantage considering how hacky and broken it is | 14:58 |
| apachelogger | just saying | 14:59 |
| * bulldog98 is in favour of that | 14:59 | |
| bulldog98 | btw if up update an iso, will the installation (not done yet) also include the latest packages? | 15:01 |
| bulldog98 | s/iso/live system/ | 15:01 |
| kubotu | bulldog98 meant: "btw if up update an live system, will the installation (not done yet) also include the latest packages?" | 15:01 |
| JontheEchidna | apachelogger: sexy | 15:05 |
| apachelogger | oioi, I am a married man | 15:06 |
| JontheEchidna | lol, was talking about your screenshot | 15:12 |
| JontheEchidna | but grats on the marriage | 15:12 |
| bulldog98 | apachelogger: http://imgur.com/V6uHQ | 15:13 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: thx ^^ | 15:14 |
| apachelogger | bulldog98: this is a non-trivial problem and the patch you presented only works around it | 15:15 |
| bulldog98 | apachelogger: that’s exactly what it was supposed to do :) | 15:16 |
| bulldog98 | apachelogger: how to fix that properly? | 15:16 |
| apachelogger | bulldog98: fix the ksmpushbutton | 15:16 |
| apachelogger | bulldog98: I suppose that the ksmpushbutton is a regular qpushbutton with a pixmap | 15:17 |
| apachelogger | something seems to go wrong with the layouting of the text and the pixmap | 15:17 |
| apachelogger | so first you'll have to find the logic for layouting | 15:17 |
| apachelogger | which probably either is a qlayout or manual layout calculation (probably in the paintEvent()) | 15:18 |
| * apachelogger points out that this dialog might actually be best implemented in qml + plasma | 15:18 | |
| jussi | apachelogger: you are married? to who? (or is it just phonon :P?) | 15:18 |
| apachelogger | as it is themed to the point of not looking like qwidgets anyway | 15:18 |
| apachelogger | you could achieve the very same result by using qml and at the same time resolve the layout problem | 15:19 |
| apachelogger | as that button would be a Rectangle { MouseArea{} Text {} Image {} } | 15:19 |
| apachelogger | in case you want to actually redo the thing properly ;) | 15:19 |
| bulldog98 | apachelogger: point me to a good qml tutorial and I maybe able to do that | 15:19 |
| bulldog98 | apachelogger: but for 4.7.x I suggest that workaround | 15:20 |
| apachelogger | no, the workaround is bogus and might fail for various languages | 15:20 |
| apachelogger | the layout code needs to be fixed for 4.7u | 15:20 |
| apachelogger | as for qml tutorials -> qt documentation on qt quick | 15:20 |
| apachelogger | bulldog98: p.drawText(10, 0, width() - (m_smallButton ? 16 : 32) - 8, height(), | 15:20 |
| apachelogger | Qt::AlignVCenter | Qt::AlignLeft | Qt::TextWordWrap | Qt::TextShowMnemonic, m_text); | 15:20 |
| apachelogger | in KSMPushButton::paintEvent( | 15:21 |
| apachelogger | so it does in fact calculate layouting by itself | 15:21 |
| apachelogger | and that is probably where it goes wrong | 15:21 |
| apachelogger | or the sizehint is just wrong ^^ | 15:21 |
| apachelogger | who'd know ^^ | 15:21 |
| bulldog98 | apachelogger: I guess it gets width() only form the "&Cancel" and not from the translated stuff | 15:22 |
| bulldog98 | apachelogger: file? | 15:22 |
| apachelogger | also se ::init() | 15:22 |
| apachelogger | see even | 15:22 |
| apachelogger | there it does some calculation on minimumsize | 15:22 |
| apachelogger | supposedly the calculation is wrong | 15:23 |
| apachelogger | though it is using qfontmetrics, so technically it should be good | 15:23 |
| apachelogger | *should* | 15:23 |
| apachelogger | you could probably just add some 4px additional padding to the final minimum width as workaround | 15:24 |
| apachelogger | though finding out why the width calculation is off by a couple of pixels would of course be better | 15:24 |
| apachelogger | bulldog98: FWIW... the size calculation is done on m_text, which is the translated text as per i18n() | 15:25 |
| bulldog98 | apachelogger: as I read the code there should be a space of 4pix between text and pix | 15:38 |
| apachelogger | probably | 15:39 |
| apachelogger | see, in qml that would again be very simple :P | 15:39 |
| apachelogger | Image { anchors.left: text.right; anchors.leftMargin: 4; } | 15:39 |
| bulldog98 | apachelogger: what do I have to do to convert that stuff to qml? | 15:41 |
| bulldog98 | where do you have your dragon qml, I want to learn form that | 15:42 |
| apachelogger | kde:scratch/sitter/dragon | 15:42 |
| apachelogger | I am not sure it is something you would want to learn from for starters :P | 15:43 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: kde:scratch/sitter/muon-mobile | 15:49 |
| ScottK | bulldog98: It did compile, but I think we definitely want to add mgraesslin's kwin fix that he mailed packagers about. | 15:53 |
| bulldog98 | ScottK: that’s what I’m up to do | 15:54 |
| ScottK | Great. | 15:54 |
| bulldog98 | ScottK: when I finished it should I request a merge for it? | 15:57 |
| ScottK | Yes. You might also check the kde/4.7 branch in KDE's git for anything else that is worth a cherrypick. We'll release with 4.7.1, so we'll only get further bug fixes we manually cherrypick. | 15:58 |
| JontheEchidna | apachelogger: bash: git://anongit.kde.org/scratch/sitter/muon-mobile.git: No such file or directory | 16:03 |
| apachelogger | its broken | 16:04 |
| apachelogger | omg | 16:04 |
| apachelogger | *shrug* | 16:04 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: maybe anongit takes a bit | 16:04 |
| bambee | if nobody works on it, I propose to backport the kwin's patch into kde-workspace-4.7.1 (see kde-packagers) | 16:04 |
| CIA-130 | [lp:~rekonq/rekonq/rekonq-ubuntu] Jonathan Kolberg * 5 * (11 files in 3 dirs) Update for rekonq daily build | 16:06 |
| debfx | bambee: bulldog98 is working on that | 16:08 |
| bambee | ok | 16:08 |
| bambee | :) | 16:08 |
| bambee | np | 16:08 |
| bulldog98 | bambee: I’m currently doing a test build | 16:09 |
| bambee | awesome! | 16:09 |
| bulldog98 | should I push it to ninjas then, so we can test that | 16:09 |
| bulldog98 | is the tarball still in ninjas? So can I upload only the other stuff? | 16:10 |
| bambee | you could even blog about that, it's an important fix... | 16:10 |
| bulldog98 | bambee: problem is I’m not in planet ubuntu | 16:12 |
| bambee | oh , right :\ | 16:12 |
| bulldog98 | bambee: but maybe that will change on tuesday | 16:13 |
| bambee | :) | 16:13 |
| ScottK | bulldog98: Not ninjas. There's nothing private about it. Ninjas should only be used for pre-release tarballs that aren't public yet. | 16:17 |
| bulldog98 | ScottK: so experimental? | 16:17 |
| ScottK | Sounds reasonable. | 16:17 |
| bulldog98 | apachelogger: do I have to wrap all the stuff ksmserver can do into QObjects to do qml? | 16:19 |
| apachelogger | depends on how you do it | 16:19 |
| apachelogger | but generally that would be an approach | 16:19 |
| bulldog98 | apachelogger: does stuff like i18n("&Cancel") works in qml? | 16:19 |
| apachelogger | no | 16:20 |
| apachelogger | you'll need magic for that | 16:20 |
| bulldog98 | apachelogger: then we can’t use qml for ksmserver, since we would drop features | 16:21 |
| apachelogger | I did not say you cannot do it | 16:21 |
| apachelogger | I said you need to pull magic to make it possible | 16:21 |
| apachelogger | that said, the plasma foo might actually have something already | 16:21 |
| bulldog98 | apachelogger: but kdeclarative will break as soon as Qt 5.0 is out | 16:22 |
| apachelogger | wah? | 16:23 |
| apachelogger | what you be talking about? | 16:23 |
| bulldog98 | apachelogger: they said it at ds, that libkdeclarative (the plasma foo) will only work until 4.8 later it won’t be possible the way they do it atm | 16:27 |
| apachelogger | ah | 16:27 |
| apachelogger | the plasma strikes again | 16:27 |
| apachelogger | high quality code at work | 16:28 |
| apachelogger | bulldog98: write your own then | 16:28 |
| bulldog98 | apachelogger: problem is that every foo will break with 5.0, since they change the way Qml works | 16:28 |
| apachelogger | bollocks | 16:29 |
| apachelogger | there will be qt quick 2 | 16:29 |
| apachelogger | qt quick 1.x stays the way it is | 16:29 |
| apachelogger | anything you do in qt quick 1 will work in qt 5 | 16:29 |
| bulldog98 | ah ok | 16:29 |
| debfx | ScottK: do you have some time to review my quassel packaging changes? | 16:47 |
| CIA-130 | [lp:~rekonq/rekonq/rekonq-ubuntu] Jonathan Kolberg * 6 * patches/ (fix_history_ordering.diff dont_set_app_as_parent.diff series) Updated the patches for the new version | 16:48 |
| debfx | micahg: do you think bug #846922 warrants security uploads? | 16:51 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 846922 in quassel (Ubuntu) "quassel-core creates world-readable directories" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/846922 | 16:51 |
| micahg | debfx: looking | 17:12 |
| * bulldog98 testbuilded the fix, I will now upload it as 0ubuntu2~ppa1 into experimental | 17:13 | |
| shadeslayer | Mamarok: iirc i did see natty packages in backports | 17:14 |
| micahg | debfx: indeed, I think so | 17:14 |
| shadeslayer | and by backports i mean the kubuntu backports ppa | 17:14 |
| Mamarok | shadeslayer: nice, thank you, now it should be announce as well | 17:19 |
| shadeslayer | Mamarok: yeah, ryanakca_ was working on that iirc, i've lost the credentials to login to the site and can't make a announcement myself | 17:20 |
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| bulldog98 | kde-workspace with the fix is up at experimental | 18:22 |
| bulldog98 | someone needs to test it | 18:26 |
| micahg | ScottK: qt4-x11 seems to have built on ia64, gnash is test building, time to look at kdesdk | 18:29 |
| * micahg just has to figure out how to use the porter box now | 18:29 | |
| bambee | bulldog98: next time, add a better description "Added a fix for kwin" is too ambiguous. For example "Backport revision e142a1a1 from kwin's repository. It fixes an important bug which improves performance greatly" | 18:44 |
| bulldog98 | bambee: I never was very creative at writing texts | 18:44 |
| bulldog98 | :) | 18:44 |
| bambee | :) | 18:44 |
| micahg | ScottK: I actually have to wait for access for the porter box, so it'll be sometime this week for kdesdk | 18:53 |
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| debfx | apachelogger: desktop file translations are even more broken than I thought. the assumption that gettext domain = desktop_<source package> isn't true anymore. | 20:06 |
| debfx | e.g. for kate it's desktop_kdebase_kate | 20:06 |
| debfx | maybe we should drop it already this cycle and rebuild the packages | 20:09 |
| ScottK | micahg: Thanks for looking into it. If you get access, you might see if you can figure why the latest qt4-x11 upload on oneiric failed on powerpc (I already retried it once and it hung at the same point). | 20:34 |
| micahg | ScottK: I'd prefer to leave that for didrocks if he'll take it | 20:35 |
| ScottK | Understandably ... | 20:35 |
| apachelogger | debfx: it makes me lol all over | 20:41 |
| apachelogger | debfx: quite honestly to me that sounds a lot like we need to act, fast, as the release is drawing close | 20:41 |
| apachelogger | so I propose you bring this up at the meeting on tuesday and we'll have the council make a call | 20:42 |
| ScottK | apachelogger: If it's broken, it sounds like someone who understands the problem ought to just write kubuntu-devel and explain the options. KC is only needed if we can't agree. | 20:48 |
| apachelogger | because discussion on kubuntu-devel is always very conclusive, right? :P | 20:49 |
| apachelogger | but yeah, anything will be fine... just thought since we have a meeting anyway we might as well run it through there | 20:50 |
| ScottK | In any case I'd like a discussion in advance so people have a chance to think it over. | 20:57 |
| apachelogger | like there is much to think :P | 20:58 |
| apachelogger | debfx: please toss a mail on kubuntu-devel | 20:58 |
| apachelogger | if no decision was reached by tuesday we'll make one at the meeting based on the discussion until then or something like that | 20:58 |
| ScottK | debfx: I'd appreciate it if you'd run your ISO size diff script again on our alternates relative to beta 1. I made some changes yesterday and they didn't help nearly as much as I'd anticpated. | 21:39 |
| debfx | apachelogger: mail sent | 21:46 |
| apachelogger | time to debug video players \o/ | 21:46 |
| debfx | ScottK: the script won't pick up your changes if the image hasn't been rebuilt since then | 21:48 |
| ScottK | It has. | 21:48 |
| ScottK | The current one reflects the changes. | 21:48 |
| debfx | ah ok, then it should already be up-to-date | 21:48 |
| debfx | it runs every couple of hours | 21:49 |
| ScottK | Thanks. | 21:54 |
| ScottK | What's the URL again? | 21:55 |
| debfx | ScottK: http://felix.fobos.de/kubuntu/kubuntu-oneiric-cd-alt-amd64-diff.htm | 21:56 |
| ScottK | Thanks. | 21:56 |
| apachelogger | firefox-locale-ja | 21:56 |
| apachelogger | uffta | 21:56 |
| apachelogger | also I think we should throw some locales out | 21:57 |
| apachelogger | de, fr, pl, ru and ja surely consumes a lotta space | 21:57 |
| apachelogger | and pt it seems | 21:57 |
| apachelogger | and it | 21:57 |
| apachelogger | and es | 21:57 |
| apachelogger | zomg | 21:57 |
| micahg | apachelogger: the langpacks pull the firefox locales in now since they're built from the firefox source, this should be fixed either for or after the LTS | 21:59 |
| * apachelogger would rather have it fixed for right now :P | 21:59 | |
| apachelogger | but I think simply moving some languages off the seed would be a good enough thing to do for now | 22:00 |
| debfx | the language packs are a bit broken | 22:00 |
| debfx | language-pack-kde-de depends on (and replaces) language-pack-kde-de-base | 22:01 |
| apachelogger | ah, nothing's like old news :P | 22:01 |
| ScottK | apachelogger: That's true, but we also got llvm2.9 and gtk3.0. | 22:01 |
| apachelogger | ScottK: we need gtk3 | 22:01 |
| ScottK | I'd like to see if we can get rid of those first. | 22:01 |
| ScottK | apachelogger: Why? | 22:02 |
| apachelogger | so I can make fun of kubuntu when I am socializing with opensuse people | 22:02 |
| ScottK | Yeah, well I got it fixed once before. | 22:02 |
| apachelogger | ScottK: didn't you try to give it the boot last time we were oversized? | 22:02 |
| apachelogger | right | 22:02 |
| debfx | looks like the translations have been moved from -base to the non-base package | 22:02 |
| ScottK | I did and I succeeded. | 22:02 |
| debfx | but -base is still pulled in (and contains old translations) | 22:03 |
| apachelogger | it is like a zombie, no matter how often you kill it... it keeps coming back | 22:03 |
| * apachelogger shivers in fear | 22:03 | |
| debfx | so I guess currently translations take up twice as much space | 22:03 |
| apachelogger | that is unfortunate | 22:03 |
| ScottK | all:libllvm2.9 | llvm-2.9 | libgl1-mesa-dri | Ubuntu Developers <ubunt | 22:05 |
| ScottK | Sounds like fixing that would help too. | 22:06 |
| debfx | what is there to fix? | 22:09 |
| debfx | mesa uses llvm for software rendering | 22:10 |
| micahg | apachelogger: well, WRT the firefox-locales, it's the same as before, just as a separate binary | 22:10 |
| ScottK | debfx: No, I meant the translations. Sorry. | 22:11 |
| debfx | ah | 22:11 |
| ScottK | I guess I'm not sure why we didn't have llvm2.9 there before. | 22:11 |
| debfx | ldm (seeded in ship) pulls in compiz | 22:14 |
| debfx | that doesn't seem right | 22:14 |
| ScottK | No. It doesn't. | 22:15 |
| debfx | no? | 22:17 |
| debfx | ldm is on the cd and depends on compiz-core | 22:18 |
| ScottK | At the very least that can move to the dvd I think. | 22:19 |
| ScottK | IIRC it's there for some probably not very relevant ltsp related reason. | 22:19 |
| ScottK | It's possible it could be removed entirely. | 22:19 |
| * ScottK needs to go out, so see you later. | 22:19 | |
| ScottK | So far the seeds are really confusing me. | 22:20 |
| * rbelem pokes ScottK | 23:48 | |
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