[01:31] <ScottK> Anyone packaging up mgraesslin's kwin fix for 4.7? (see packagers)
[02:30] <micahg> any idea what caused this build failure? https://launchpadlibrarian.net/79514260/buildlog_ubuntu-lucid-ia64.qt4-x11_4%3A4.6.2-0ubuntu5.3_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[02:37]  * micahg dreads the idea of respinning qt4-x11 for ia64
[03:28] <ScottK> micahg: No.  I'd hit retry and see if it magically works.
[03:34] <micahg> ScottK: ok, it's only 12 hours, thanks
[10:25] <debfx> ScottK: quassel-core creates world-readable directories :(
[10:29] <debfx> and the generated ssl cert+key file is world-readable
[10:29] <debfx> also the logs
[10:29] <Quintasan_> ScottK: urgh, some idiot broke phone line here and I dont  have internet
[10:30] <bulldog98> Quintasan: that’s always a nice feature :)
[10:31] <Quintasan> bulldog98: Care to elaborate how having no internet while runtime is apparently broken nice?
[10:32] <bulldog98> Quintasan: it was meant ironic
[10:33]  * bulldog98 handles cookies and tea to Quintasan
[10:33] <Quintasan> Oh, I see
[10:33] <Quintasan> Well, now the damn PC wont boot
[10:33] <Quintasan> ffs
[10:33]  * Quintasan need to take the pc to the shop to get it repaired or replaced
[10:34] <bulldog98> Quintasan: have you tried to recover grub?
[10:35] <Quintasan> bulldog98: It's not GRUB related
[10:35] <Quintasan> If it was GRUB then I would have fixed it by now
[10:35] <Quintasan> it's faulty hardware
[10:35] <bulldog98> Quintasan: that sucks
[10:36] <bulldog98> Quintasan: have you put new RAM into it? that was my problem at friday
[10:36] <Quintasan> I believe it's a shitty power supply but I dont have a spare one confirm it
[10:37] <Quintasan> bulldog98: I did but the problem was occuring even before I added memory
[10:37] <Quintasan> when I shutdown the PC it refuses to boot when I turn it on immediately after
[10:37] <Quintasan> it powers on, fans spin, hdd starts working but nothing happens
[10:38] <Quintasan> when I reboot it from os it reboots normally
[10:38] <bulldog98> Quintasan: have you placed the RAM tight enought, my PC refused to boot, cause I hadn’t put it in hard enought
[10:38] <Quintasan> thats not the case
[10:38] <bulldog98> hm
[10:38] <Quintasan> Im telling you I had this even before putting new memory
[10:39] <bulldog98> strange
[10:42] <Quintasan> i know. that's why Im going to shop tomorrow and tell him to fix at once or rma the parts
[10:42] <Quintasan> I dont care which part is at fault
[10:49] <debfx> apachelogger, ScottK: the quasselcore-makecert is currently broken (tries to write into the wrong dir). do you want to keep it? I think we shouldn't encourage creating self-signed ssl certs ...
[10:50] <debfx> on the other hand quassel doesn't seem to be able to verify certificates :/
[10:50] <bulldog98> debfx: I think any cert is better than no cert at all
[10:53] <debfx> bulldog98: yes but that's hardly a justification for telling people to create self-signed certs
[11:05] <apachelogger> debfx: the point of the cert is not for it to be verified but for it to encrypt communication from core to client
[11:05] <apachelogger> much like an ssh cert
[11:05] <apachelogger> s/cert/key
[11:05] <apachelogger> kubotu: order coffee
[11:05]  * kubotu slides coffee with milk down the bar to apachelogger.
[11:06] <bulldog98> kubotu: order tea
[11:06]  * kubotu gives bulldog98 a nice hot cup of tea.
[11:06] <apachelogger> kubotu: order a plate of eggs in the basket
[11:06]  * kubotu slides a plate of eggs in the basket down the bar to apachelogger
[11:07] <bulldog98> kubotu: order pork with potatoes
[11:07]  * kubotu slides pork with potatoes down the bar to bulldog98
[11:07] <debfx> eh? if you don't verify the cert somehow ssl is mostly useless
[11:07] <apachelogger> debfx: nonono, you verify the cert
[11:08] <bulldog98> debfx: I think the guys, that install quassel-core know how to check the fingerprint of an ssc cert
[11:08] <apachelogger> much like an ssh key
[11:08] <bulldog98> you can scp the cert to your pc and import it as knowen cert
[11:08] <apachelogger> once you have established that your server has a given cert you get encrypted connection plus man-in-the-middle would trigger a cert warning or something
[11:10] <debfx> sure, but if quassel had a proper certificate you wouldn't need to verify it at all
[11:10] <debfx> *verify manually
[11:11] <debfx> bulldog98: yes, but not all users install their own quassel core
[11:11] <bulldog98> debfx: then the guy that installed it has to send them a gpg encryped mail containing the ssl cert
[11:12] <bulldog98> on the other hand gaining a singed cert is a bunch of work
[11:12] <apachelogger> with no advantage
[11:13] <bulldog98> as one can see in the nice problems of ssl certs
[11:13] <bulldog98> namly google.com
[11:16] <debfx> bulldog98: quassel is supposed to accept certs signed by trusted CAs so that won't help you at all
[11:17] <bulldog98> debfx: one point for you :)
[11:17] <debfx> the advantage is of course that you don't need to verify the cert manually
[11:18] <bulldog98> still it’s much overhead getting a ssl cert singed and most times you have to pay for that. (If you only have 6 users, you can tell them: that’s the fingerprint, import it and everything will work fine)
[11:21] <debfx> it takes about 30 seconds to create a cert signed by startssl and doesn't cost you anything
[11:24] <debfx> anyway that makecert script is completely broken
[11:25] <debfx> and has been since at least lucid 
[11:26] <bulldog98> debfx: maybe we should just print some instructions howto create a singed cert?
[11:26] <ari-tczew> apachelogger: bug 846027 is a bug which I said you last time here
[11:30] <apachelogger> ari-tczew: quite honestly I believe this to be a graphics driver issue
[11:30] <apachelogger> I know that JontheEchidna is also running a 2 panel setup, and he does not have this problem
[11:30] <apachelogger> anyhow
[11:30] <debfx> bulldog98: imho the ssl cert business is something server admins should know about (or be able to google), so creating an inital certificate on package install is good enough
[11:31] <apachelogger> ari-tczew: you should move the bug to bugs.kde.org, it does not sound particularly kubuntu specific IMHO
[11:32] <bulldog98> apachelogger: yofel and me also have 2 panels
[11:32] <ari-tczew> apachelogger: look at this my report https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=280739
[11:32] <apachelogger> plasma_applet_message_indicator
[11:33] <apachelogger> that BT suggests that it is not a bug in plasma but the message indicator
[11:33] <apachelogger> agateau_ ^^^^^
[11:35] <debfx> ari-tczew: does it still crash with the latest message-indicator package?
[11:35] <debfx> the backtrace looks a lot like bug #631794
[11:36] <ari-tczew> debfx: hmm not sure, because now I'm ingoring all crashes due to out of time. I'll make sure on next time boot.
[11:36] <ari-tczew> debfx: I use evolution, so maybe this is the bug which you gave number
[11:37] <ari-tczew> bulldog98, yofel_, JontheEchidna: what's your graphic card?
[11:37] <bulldog98> ari-tczew: nvidia
[11:37] <ari-tczew> bulldog98: my too ...
[11:37] <bulldog98> ari-tczew: but I also had that running on intel
[11:37] <bulldog98> ari-tczew: nouveau or nvidia driver?
[11:38] <ari-tczew> bulldog98: nvidia driver
[11:38]  * bulldog98 too
[11:38] <bulldog98> hm strange
[11:39] <bulldog98> ari-tczew: where are the 2 panels? At the bottom and the top?
[11:39] <bulldog98> hm I’ve got one left and one right
[11:39] <bulldog98> and that works
[11:39] <apachelogger> that is vastly different though :P
[11:40] <apachelogger> also mind that a dual screen setup could be messing with it
[11:40] <apachelogger> the plasma is not particularly dual screen friendly
[11:41] <ari-tczew> apachelogger: hmm, I'll plug-off TV
[11:41] <ari-tczew> bulldog98: yes bottom and top (up and down)
[11:42] <bulldog98> yofel and me don’t use that setting
[11:43] <yofel> ari-tczew, bulldog98: I actually saw that bug yesterday after finally rebooting in a while
[11:43] <bulldog98> apachelogger: I thought aseigo was going to fix that
[11:43] <yofel> I don't get a crash though, just that one panel isn't where it's supposed to be
[11:43] <bulldog98> yofel: I haven’t got that with the packages of 8th
[11:43] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[11:43]  * apachelogger stopped caring about plasma 5 releases back
[11:44] <bulldog98> but I only have one monitor on my screen
[11:44] <yofel> bulldog98: not sure if I had all updates installed, I don't have much bandwidth here
[11:44] <apachelogger> sheytan: dude, I like need a quick n dirty mockup for muon on a mobile phone
[11:44] <yofel> will try later
[11:45] <bulldog98> ari-tczew: maybe you should talk to the guys in #plasma they know best how to handle with stuff like that
[11:45] <ari-tczew> yofel: did you see wrong panel displaying like in my bug?
[11:46] <yofel> ari-tczew: yep, like an additional invisible panel beside it
[11:47] <ari-tczew> nice! I'm not alone with that bug
[11:47] <ari-tczew> yofel: what's your graphic card?
[11:48] <yofel> nvidia
[11:48] <bulldog98> ari-tczew: btw why don’t you have the panel completly at top, you can move the crashew to change that
[11:48] <yofel> bulldog98: *that* is the bug
[11:48] <bulldog98> yofel: ah ok
[11:49] <bulldog98> then I haven’t get the numbering of the stuff
[11:49] <ari-tczew> yofel: me too nvidia
[11:49] <yofel> I set mine to the left, but when I login again it's a bit away from the screen edge like there's an invisible panel now
[11:49] <yofel> once you adjust the screen edge it moves back where it's supposed to be
[11:49] <bulldog98> yofel: and I hadn’t that when I logged in this moring
[11:49] <yofel> ok, installing updates again, will take a while
[11:50] <bulldog98> ari-tczew: do you have latest packages installed?
[11:50] <ari-tczew> yofel: could you comment on my bug reported?
[11:50] <ari-tczew> bulldog98: which package?
[11:50] <bulldog98> ari-tczew: all?
[11:51] <yofel> ari-tczew: later once I know if the updates help or not
[11:51] <bulldog98> there was an x update yesterday or the day before yesterday, maybe that fixed it?
[11:53] <ari-tczew> bulldog98: x* packages are up-todated, kdegraphics has got something to update (new upstream release 4.7.1), I'll update later my system because I need to go out in a while
[11:54] <bulldog98> hm
[12:01] <bulldog98> ScottK: workspace compiles, doesn’t it?
[12:05]  * bulldog98 takes over fixing that
[12:13] <bulldog98> yofel: it could also be a qt regression
[12:13] <bulldog98> since I don’t have 4.7.4 installed by now
[12:14] <bulldog98> seems I have
[13:09] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: any news about 2.4.3 packages for Natty?
[13:10] <Mamarok> Also there still is no announcement for Oneiric and the packages are available since quite some time
[13:20] <bulldog98> apachelogger: does that looks like a bug fix for you? http://paste.ubuntu.com/686855/
[13:21] <apachelogger> where did you get that from?
[13:21] <apachelogger> it looks rather bogus
[13:22] <apachelogger> the length has nothing to do with the width really... one could wordwrap and whatnot
[13:23] <bulldog98> apachelogger: I wrote it myself
[13:24] <apachelogger> what are you trying to solve?
[13:24] <bulldog98> apachelogger: problem is German translation is cut of
[13:24] <bulldog98> in shutdown dialog
[13:24] <apachelogger> screenshot
[13:25] <apachelogger> also what class does KSMPushButton derive from?
[13:25] <bulldog98> apachelogger: can you do a screenshot, while logging out?
[13:25] <apachelogger> ksnapshot with time set to 3 seconds or so
[13:25] <apachelogger> trigger logout dialog
[13:25] <apachelogger> wait for ksnapshot to take a shot
[13:25] <apachelogger> cancle logout
[13:25] <Mamarok> apachelogger: that guy again with his broken Kubuntu: http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=96851&sid=e9737065e8f68f47c773187d9094b7f2&p=203673#p203614
[13:26] <Mamarok> I moved that part of the thread as it has no relation to Amarok whatsoever
[13:26] <Mamarok> also, what in the word "revoked" didn't he understand?
[13:26] <apachelogger> he did not do what I told him
[13:27] <apachelogger> namely wipe all of qt apps and reinstall kubuntu-desktop
[13:27] <apachelogger> since he does not do what I tell him to, I really cannot help him
[13:27] <apachelogger> that guy is rather confused I might say... but, but! someone should make him a minion
[13:28] <apachelogger> I feel he would make a great minion, he certainly doesnt give up easily
[13:28] <bulldog98> apachelogger: can I batpaste screenshots?
[13:29] <apachelogger> no
[13:29] <apachelogger> there is a plasmoid
[13:29] <apachelogger> you can drag right form ksnapshot
[13:30] <bulldog98> apachelogger: pastebin?
[13:31] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[13:31] <apachelogger> some paste
[13:31] <apachelogger> there are of course more paste plasmoids than clock plasmoids
[13:31] <apachelogger> of course just like with the clock plasmoids they all seem rather pointless to me
[13:31] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[13:33] <bulldog98> apachelogger: btw did you manage to get the unicorn in the analog clock to vomit?
[13:33] <apachelogger> no
[13:42] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: http://i.imgur.com/ZwntD.png
[14:04] <d_ed> hey all, is there a way to do an apt-file search on the kubuntu backports PPA ?
[14:05] <d_ed> in particular kwineffects.h (and all other related kwin headers) which were in kdebase-workspace-dev appear to have vanished
[14:05] <apachelogger> sure
[14:05] <d_ed> (they're back in project-neon though)
[14:05] <apachelogger> add the the ppas deb-src line to your sources.list :P
[14:06] <d_ed> it's there.
[14:06] <d_ed> "deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/backports/ubuntu/ natty main "
[14:07] <d_ed> and on apt-file update I get: 
[14:07] <d_ed>   http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/backports/ubuntu/dists/natty/Contents-amd64.gz
[14:07] <d_ed> Ignoring source without Contents File:
[14:08] <d_ed> on a quick check there doesn't appear to be a Contents.gz file on any ppa.
[14:14] <apachelogger> maybe indeed it does not work
[14:14] <apachelogger> #launchpad will know alllll the details
[14:14] <apachelogger> also they are at fault if it does not work :P
[14:20] <bambee> evening
[14:48] <debfx> great, we throw away all upstream quassel desktop file translations
[14:49] <debfx> apachelogger: evaluating if we should get rid of that desktop file stripping would be a good uds session
[14:50] <apachelogger> please add
[14:51] <apachelogger> I was thinking about it
[14:51] <apachelogger> but
[14:51] <apachelogger> we are having l10n sessions for decades and nothing ever changes
[14:52] <apachelogger> debfx: actually the stripping has advantages... like when you edit a desktop file using menuedit it will be copied to your home, meaning you'll not get translation updates and stuff
[14:58] <debfx> apachelogger: imho that's a small advantage considering how hacky and broken it is
[14:59] <apachelogger> just saying
[14:59]  * bulldog98 is in favour of that
[15:01] <bulldog98> btw if up update an iso, will the installation (not done yet) also include the latest packages?
[15:01] <bulldog98> s/iso/live system/
[15:01] <kubotu> bulldog98 meant: "btw if up update an live system, will the installation (not done yet) also include the latest packages?"
[15:05] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: sexy
[15:06] <apachelogger> oioi, I am a married man
[15:12] <JontheEchidna> lol, was talking about your screenshot
[15:12] <JontheEchidna> but grats on the marriage
[15:13] <bulldog98> apachelogger: http://imgur.com/V6uHQ
[15:14] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: thx ^^
[15:15] <apachelogger> bulldog98: this is a non-trivial problem and the patch you presented only works around it
[15:16] <bulldog98> apachelogger: that’s exactly what it was supposed to do :)
[15:16] <bulldog98> apachelogger: how to fix that properly?
[15:16] <apachelogger> bulldog98: fix the ksmpushbutton
[15:17] <apachelogger> bulldog98: I suppose that the ksmpushbutton is a regular qpushbutton with a pixmap
[15:17] <apachelogger> something seems to go wrong with the layouting of the text and the pixmap
[15:17] <apachelogger> so first you'll have to find the logic for layouting
[15:18] <apachelogger> which probably either is a qlayout or manual layout calculation (probably in the paintEvent())
[15:18]  * apachelogger points out that this dialog might actually be best implemented in qml + plasma
[15:18] <jussi> apachelogger: you are married? to who? (or is it just phonon :P?)
[15:18] <apachelogger> as it is themed to the point of not looking like qwidgets anyway
[15:19] <apachelogger> you could achieve the very same result by using qml and at the same time resolve the layout problem
[15:19] <apachelogger> as that button would be a  Rectangle { MouseArea{} Text {} Image {} }
[15:19] <apachelogger> in case you want to actually redo the thing properly ;)
[15:19] <bulldog98> apachelogger: point me to a good qml tutorial and I maybe able to do that
[15:20] <bulldog98> apachelogger: but for 4.7.x I suggest that workaround
[15:20] <apachelogger> no, the workaround is bogus and might fail for various languages
[15:20] <apachelogger> the layout code needs to be fixed for 4.7u
[15:20] <apachelogger> as for qml tutorials -> qt documentation on qt quick
[15:20] <apachelogger> bulldog98:     p.drawText(10, 0, width() - (m_smallButton ? 16 : 32) - 8, height(),
[15:20] <apachelogger>                Qt::AlignVCenter | Qt::AlignLeft | Qt::TextWordWrap | Qt::TextShowMnemonic, m_text);
[15:21] <apachelogger> in KSMPushButton::paintEvent(
[15:21] <apachelogger> so it does in fact calculate layouting by itself
[15:21] <apachelogger> and that is probably where it goes wrong
[15:21] <apachelogger> or the sizehint is just wrong ^^
[15:21] <apachelogger> who'd know ^^
[15:22] <bulldog98> apachelogger: I guess it gets width() only form the "&Cancel" and not from the translated stuff
[15:22] <bulldog98> apachelogger: file?
[15:22] <apachelogger> also se ::init()
[15:22] <apachelogger> see even
[15:22] <apachelogger> there it does some calculation on minimumsize
[15:23] <apachelogger> supposedly the calculation is wrong
[15:23] <apachelogger> though it is using qfontmetrics, so technically it should be good
[15:23] <apachelogger> *should*
[15:24] <apachelogger> you could probably just add some 4px additional padding to the final minimum width as workaround
[15:24] <apachelogger> though finding out why the width calculation is off by a couple of pixels would of course be better
[15:25] <apachelogger> bulldog98: FWIW... the size calculation is done on m_text, which is the translated text as per i18n() 
[15:38] <bulldog98> apachelogger: as I read the code there should be a space of 4pix between text and pix
[15:39] <apachelogger> probably
[15:39] <apachelogger> see, in qml that would again be very simple :P
[15:39] <apachelogger> Image { anchors.left: text.right; anchors.leftMargin: 4; }
[15:41] <bulldog98> apachelogger: what do I have to do to convert that stuff to qml?
[15:42] <bulldog98> where do you have your dragon qml, I want to learn form that
[15:42] <apachelogger> kde:scratch/sitter/dragon
[15:43] <apachelogger> I am not sure it is something you would want to learn from for starters :P
[15:49] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: kde:scratch/sitter/muon-mobile
[15:53] <ScottK> bulldog98: It did compile, but I think we definitely want to add mgraesslin's kwin fix that he mailed packagers about.
[15:54] <bulldog98> ScottK: that’s what I’m up to do
[15:54] <ScottK> Great.
[15:57] <bulldog98> ScottK: when I finished it should I request a merge for it?
[15:58] <ScottK> Yes.  You might also check the kde/4.7 branch in KDE's git for anything else that is worth a cherrypick.  We'll release with 4.7.1, so we'll only get further bug fixes we manually cherrypick.
[16:03] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: bash: git://anongit.kde.org/scratch/sitter/muon-mobile.git: No such file or directory
[16:04] <apachelogger> its broken
[16:04] <apachelogger> omg
[16:04] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[16:04] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: maybe anongit takes a bit
[16:04] <bambee> if nobody works on it, I propose to backport the kwin's patch into kde-workspace-4.7.1 (see kde-packagers)
[16:06] <CIA-130> [lp:~rekonq/rekonq/rekonq-ubuntu] Jonathan Kolberg * 5 * (11 files in 3 dirs) Update for rekonq daily build
[16:08] <debfx> bambee: bulldog98 is working on that
[16:08] <bambee> ok
[16:08] <bambee> :)
[16:08] <bambee> np
[16:09] <bulldog98> bambee: I’m currently doing a test build
[16:09] <bambee> awesome!
[16:09] <bulldog98> should I push it to ninjas then, so we can test that
[16:10] <bulldog98> is the tarball still in ninjas? So can I upload only the other stuff?
[16:10] <bambee> you could even blog about that, it's an important fix...
[16:12] <bulldog98> bambee: problem is I’m not in planet ubuntu
[16:12] <bambee> oh , right :\
[16:13] <bulldog98> bambee: but maybe that will change on tuesday
[16:13] <bambee> :)
[16:17] <ScottK> bulldog98: Not ninjas.  There's nothing private about it.  Ninjas should only be used for pre-release tarballs that aren't public yet.
[16:17] <bulldog98> ScottK: so experimental?
[16:17] <ScottK> Sounds reasonable.
[16:19] <bulldog98> apachelogger: do I have to wrap all the stuff ksmserver can do into QObjects to do qml?
[16:19] <apachelogger> depends on how you do it
[16:19] <apachelogger> but generally that would be an approach
[16:19] <bulldog98> apachelogger: does stuff like i18n("&Cancel") works in qml?
[16:20] <apachelogger> no
[16:20] <apachelogger> you'll need magic for that
[16:21] <bulldog98> apachelogger: then we can’t use qml for ksmserver, since we would drop features
[16:21] <apachelogger> I did not say you cannot do it
[16:21] <apachelogger> I said you need to pull magic to make it possible
[16:21] <apachelogger> that said, the plasma foo might actually have something already
[16:22] <bulldog98> apachelogger: but kdeclarative will break as soon as Qt 5.0 is out
[16:23] <apachelogger> wah?
[16:23] <apachelogger> what you be talking about?
[16:27] <bulldog98> apachelogger: they said it at ds, that libkdeclarative (the plasma foo) will only work until 4.8 later it won’t be possible the way they do it atm
[16:27] <apachelogger> ah
[16:27] <apachelogger> the plasma strikes again
[16:28] <apachelogger> high quality code at work
[16:28] <apachelogger> bulldog98: write your own then
[16:28] <bulldog98> apachelogger: problem is that every foo will break with 5.0, since they change the way Qml works
[16:29] <apachelogger> bollocks
[16:29] <apachelogger> there will be qt quick 2
[16:29] <apachelogger> qt quick 1.x stays the way it is
[16:29] <apachelogger> anything you do in qt quick 1 will work in qt 5
[16:29] <bulldog98> ah ok
[16:47] <debfx> ScottK: do you have some time to review my quassel packaging changes?
[16:48] <CIA-130> [lp:~rekonq/rekonq/rekonq-ubuntu] Jonathan Kolberg * 6 * patches/ (fix_history_ordering.diff dont_set_app_as_parent.diff series) Updated the patches for the new version
[16:51] <debfx> micahg: do you think bug #846922 warrants security uploads?
[17:12] <micahg> debfx: looking
[17:13]  * bulldog98 testbuilded the fix, I will now upload it as 0ubuntu2~ppa1 into experimental
[17:14] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: iirc i did see natty packages in backports
[17:14] <micahg> debfx: indeed, I think so
[17:14] <shadeslayer> and by backports i mean the kubuntu backports ppa
[17:19] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: nice, thank you, now it should be announce as well
[17:20] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: yeah, ryanakca_ was working on that iirc, i've lost the credentials to login to the site and can't make a announcement myself
[18:22] <bulldog98> kde-workspace with the fix is up at experimental
[18:26] <bulldog98> someone needs to test it
[18:29] <micahg> ScottK: qt4-x11 seems to have built on ia64, gnash is test building, time to look at kdesdk
[18:29]  * micahg just has to figure out how to use the porter box now
[18:44] <bambee> bulldog98: next time, add a better description "Added a fix for kwin" is too ambiguous. For example "Backport revision e142a1a1 from kwin's repository. It fixes an important bug which improves performance greatly" 
[18:44] <bulldog98> bambee: I never was very creative at writing texts
[18:44] <bulldog98> :)
[18:44] <bambee> :)
[18:53] <micahg> ScottK: I actually have to wait for access for the porter box, so it'll be sometime this week for kdesdk
[20:06] <debfx> apachelogger: desktop file translations are even more broken than I thought. the assumption that gettext domain = desktop_<source package> isn't true anymore.
[20:06] <debfx> e.g. for kate it's desktop_kdebase_kate
[20:09] <debfx> maybe we should drop it already this cycle and rebuild the packages
[20:34] <ScottK> micahg: Thanks for looking into it.  If you get access, you might see if you can figure why the latest qt4-x11 upload on oneiric failed on powerpc (I already retried it once and it hung at the same point).
[20:35] <micahg> ScottK: I'd prefer to leave that for didrocks if he'll take it
[20:35] <ScottK> Understandably ...
[20:41] <apachelogger> debfx: it makes me lol all over
[20:41] <apachelogger> debfx: quite honestly to me that sounds a lot like we need to act, fast, as the release is drawing close
[20:42] <apachelogger> so I propose you bring this up at the meeting on tuesday and we'll have the council make a call 
[20:48] <ScottK> apachelogger: If it's broken, it sounds like someone who understands the problem ought to just write kubuntu-devel and explain the options.  KC is only needed if we can't agree.
[20:49] <apachelogger> because discussion on kubuntu-devel is always very conclusive, right? :P
[20:50] <apachelogger> but yeah, anything will be fine... just thought since we have a meeting anyway we might as well run it through there
[20:57] <ScottK> In any case I'd like a discussion in advance so people have a chance to think it over.
[20:58] <apachelogger> like there is much to think :P
[20:58] <apachelogger> debfx: please toss a mail on kubuntu-devel
[20:58] <apachelogger> if no decision was reached by tuesday we'll make one at the meeting based on the discussion until then or something like that
[21:39] <ScottK> debfx: I'd appreciate it if you'd run your ISO size diff script again on our alternates relative to beta 1.  I made some changes yesterday and they didn't help nearly as much as I'd anticpated.
[21:46] <debfx> apachelogger: mail sent
[21:46] <apachelogger> time to debug video players \o/
[21:48] <debfx> ScottK: the script won't pick up your changes if the image hasn't been rebuilt since then
[21:48] <ScottK> It has.
[21:48] <ScottK> The current one reflects the changes.
[21:48] <debfx> ah ok, then it should already be up-to-date
[21:49] <debfx> it runs every couple of hours
[21:54] <ScottK> Thanks.
[21:55] <ScottK> What's the URL again?
[21:56] <debfx> ScottK: http://felix.fobos.de/kubuntu/kubuntu-oneiric-cd-alt-amd64-diff.htm
[21:56] <ScottK> Thanks.
[21:56] <apachelogger> firefox-locale-ja
[21:56] <apachelogger> uffta
[21:57] <apachelogger> also I think we should throw some locales out
[21:57] <apachelogger> de, fr, pl, ru and ja surely consumes a lotta space
[21:57] <apachelogger> and pt it seems
[21:57] <apachelogger> and it
[21:57] <apachelogger> and es
[21:57] <apachelogger> zomg
[21:59] <micahg> apachelogger: the langpacks pull the firefox locales in now since they're built from the firefox source, this should be fixed either for or after the LTS
[21:59]  * apachelogger would rather have it fixed for right now :P
[22:00] <apachelogger> but I think simply moving some languages off the seed would be a good enough thing to do for now
[22:00] <debfx> the language packs are a bit broken
[22:01] <debfx> language-pack-kde-de depends on (and replaces) language-pack-kde-de-base
[22:01] <apachelogger> ah, nothing's like old news :P
[22:01] <ScottK> apachelogger: That's true, but we also got llvm2.9 and gtk3.0.
[22:01] <apachelogger> ScottK: we need gtk3
[22:01] <ScottK> I'd like to see if we can get rid of those first.
[22:02] <ScottK> apachelogger: Why?
[22:02] <apachelogger> so I can make fun of kubuntu when I am socializing with opensuse people
[22:02] <ScottK> Yeah, well I got it fixed once before.
[22:02] <apachelogger> ScottK: didn't you try to give it the boot last time we were oversized?
[22:02] <apachelogger> right
[22:02] <debfx> looks like the translations have been moved from -base to the non-base package
[22:02] <ScottK> I did and I succeeded.
[22:03] <debfx> but -base is still pulled in (and contains old translations)
[22:03] <apachelogger> it is like a zombie, no matter how often you kill it... it keeps coming back
[22:03]  * apachelogger shivers in fear
[22:03] <debfx> so I guess currently translations take up twice as much space
[22:03] <apachelogger> that is unfortunate
[22:05] <ScottK> all:libllvm2.9                                                  | llvm-2.9                                     | libgl1-mesa-dri                                      | Ubuntu Developers <ubunt
[22:06] <ScottK> Sounds like fixing that would help too.
[22:09] <debfx> what is there to fix?
[22:10] <debfx> mesa uses llvm for software rendering
[22:10] <micahg> apachelogger: well, WRT the firefox-locales, it's the same as before, just as a separate binary
[22:11] <ScottK> debfx: No, I meant the translations.  Sorry.
[22:11] <debfx> ah
[22:11] <ScottK> I guess I'm not sure why we didn't have llvm2.9 there before.
[22:14] <debfx> ldm (seeded in ship) pulls in compiz
[22:14] <debfx> that doesn't seem right
[22:15] <ScottK> No.  It doesn't.
[22:17] <debfx> no?
[22:18] <debfx> ldm is on the cd and depends on compiz-core
[22:19] <ScottK> At the very least that can move to the dvd I think.
[22:19] <ScottK> IIRC it's there for some probably not very relevant ltsp related reason.
[22:19] <ScottK> It's possible it could be removed entirely.
[22:19]  * ScottK needs to go out, so see you later.
[22:20] <ScottK> So far the seeds are really confusing me.
[23:48]  * rbelem pokes ScottK