[01:22] <Numbskull> Mornin' all
[12:03] <leszek> hi
[12:32] <pcman> hi
[12:33]  * pcman just installed ubuntu 11.10 to see how it works.
[12:33] <pcman> After playing with unity for 3 minutes, I realized that I hate it so much!
[12:33] <pcman> The worst ubuntu UI ever.
[12:33] <pcman> :(
[12:34] <leszek> hehe, yeah I have it on my brand new eeepc 1015T and its damn slow with its compiz effects
[12:34] <pcman> slowness is not a problem. I use it on my thinkpad.
[12:34] <leszek> the ui itself isn't so bad if it would work faster
[12:34] <pcman> But the UI is really...I don't know what to say.
[12:34] <pcman> it's a little bit too creative.
[12:35] <leszek> I switched to unity2d which works faster and seems to be more stable
[12:35] <pcman> looks good, but hard to use.
[12:35] <pcman> I hate it so much!
[12:35] <pcman> Installation is finished!
[12:35] <pcman> time to reboot.
[12:35] <pcman> apt-get install lubuntu-desktop later!
[12:35] <leszek> I don't think its hard to use basically, as I am mostly using only the starters in the launcher or hotkeys
[12:35] <pcman> lol
[12:35] <pcman> leszek: I'm not using unity2d.
[12:36] <pcman> leszek: I'm using the default one in ubuntu.
[12:36] <leszek> :)
[12:36] <leszek> yeah unity3d basically
[12:36] <pcman> no idea how to use it correctly.
[12:36] <pcman> let's install lubuntu.
[12:36] <pcman> see you.
[12:36] <leszek> pcman: honestly the sense of lenses or how they call the new main menu in ubuntu makes no sense for me at all
[15:04] <leszek> re
[16:11] <canidae> evening. i'm trying to make the keyboard layout permanently norwegian (by changing /etc/default/keyboard), but still it keeps reverting back to american layout. anyone have some suggestions?
[16:35] <bindi> hi
[16:35] <bindi> is a p3 833mhz powerful enough for lubuntu
[16:36] <bindi> its a laptop.. 256 ram
[16:37] <frankbooth> bindi should be enough, yeah
[16:40] <frankbooth> canidae try this in a terminal (not sure if 'no' is norweigan): setxkbmap -layout no
[16:40] <frankbooth> if that works, an ugly solution would be to add the command in autostart
[16:40] <bindi> how long the install should load for
[16:40] <bindi> clicked install ubuntu and its taking a good while
[16:42] <frankbooth> bindi have patience :)
[16:42] <bindi> 10 mins
[16:42] <bindi> so far
[16:43] <frankbooth> wait a little longer to be sure, if you have problems with the graphical installer you could always use an alternate cd
[17:05] <bindi> is alternate install hard? will it have options to select or do i have to do everything by hand
[17:40] <bindi> frankbooth: we ran out of patience, reaallly slow .. trying alternate installer tomorrow
[17:41] <frankbooth> bindi http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/minimal
[17:41] <frankbooth> this guide is good, might want to check it out
[17:42] <frankbooth> after install is finished, simply do 'sudo apt-get install lubuntu-desktop'
[17:42] <bindi> yeah okay
[17:42] <bioterror> --no-install-recommends!
[17:43] <frankbooth> opsie, thx bioterror :)
[18:37] <tomeo> Anyone else who has experienced constant freezes of Lubuntu just as you're getting into the os?
[18:38] <tomeo> (doesnt matter if I disable gui, still freezes)
[18:43] <bioterror> tomeo, check your RAM
[18:43] <bioterror> tomeo, if your mem is okay, check your hdd
[18:44] <tomeo> bioterror: both ubuntu and crunchbang and windows run fine
[18:44] <bioterror> lubuntu is same as your ubuntu
[18:45] <tomeo> bioterror: if its the same, why are they two different distros?
[18:45] <bioterror> becouse another one comes with GNOME and another comes with Openbox and LXDE
[18:46] <svkoskin> they are not
[18:46] <bioterror> exactly same kernels and binaries
[18:46] <svkoskin> they use same packages, other installation media provides merely different userspace programs
[18:48] <bioterror> so if you've run memtest86 and you're sure you dont have anything wrong with the hdd, we can start wondering what could cause the freeze
[18:48] <bioterror> but I'm 100% it's hardware related
[18:48] <bioterror> +sure
[18:48] <tomeo> bioterror: could it be that my install media was corrupt?
[18:48] <bioterror> have you checked md5?
[18:49] <tomeo> bioterror: nah, im too big of a noob to work those things just yet
[18:49] <bioterror> !md5
[18:49] <tomeo> this was my first attempt at installing linux :)
[18:52] <tomeo> bioterror: okay I have the md5 sum of my image, but what is it supposed to be?
[18:53] <Numbskull> #toybox
[18:54] <bioterror> tomeo, http://lubuntu.lafibre.info/11.04/MD5SUMS
[18:54] <tomeo> bioterror: they add up
[18:55] <bioterror> that's good
[18:56] <canidae> frankbooth: cheers, that seems to work, i'll just put that in a script that's run when i log in
[18:56] <tomeo> bioterror: but wouldn't you say its quite odd if there is in fact a hardware error that ubuntu, crunchbang and windows all work?
[18:56] <canidae> s/that's run/that runs/
[18:57] <bioterror> tomeo, does your LiveCD crash or your installation?
[18:57] <tomeo> bioterror: neither. after install and reboot Lubuntu works fine. Then when I reboot again it freezes
[18:57] <tomeo> so I tried to reinstall
[18:57] <tomeo> and exact same thing happened
[19:00] <bioterror> you get just blinking "_"?
[19:00] <tomeo> bioterror: no blinking, freeze
[19:01] <bioterror> you cannot go to console by pressing CTRL+ALT+f1?
[19:01] <tomeo> bioterror: nope, and I tried starting it as TEXT so that I didnt have a gui at all. still froze
[19:11] <bioterror> hard case
[19:11] <bioterror> tomeo, if you take ubuntu 11.04, it works flawlessly?
[19:11] <tomeo> bioterror: yes
[19:12] <tomeo> bioterror: but I dont want to use it as its very slow
[19:12] <tomeo> and I hate the UI
[19:12] <bioterror> you can always remove the gnome stuff ;)
[19:12] <tomeo> Lubuntu was awesome when it worked :)
[19:12] <tomeo> Even my multigesture trackpad was working
[19:12] <tomeo> Sound wasnt working tho, but I bet I couldve got that working somehow
[19:13] <bioterror> usually volume level is low in alsamixer
[19:13] <tomeo> bioterror: I actually maxed it
[19:13] <tomeo> in the terminal version of alsamixer
[19:14] <Soojin> heh the panel menu button where you control the width of the bottom bar locked itself and just kept going higher and higher in width so i had to kill it and now my menu is gone ;)
[19:14] <tomeo> I think I have to do the hda-intel thing to get the sound working on lubuntu
[19:14] <Soojin> I wonder how I can bring it back without restarting my computerr
[19:15] <bioterror> Soojin, goto console and restart lxdm
[19:15] <bioterror> :)
[19:15] <bioterror> if you kill panel, you cant run alt+f2
[19:16] <bioterror> so only good trick to start that panel is to restart X
[19:16] <Soojin> ok:)
[19:16] <bioterror> sudo service lxdm restart
[19:22] <Soojin> is there any way to actually change the color of the corner clock?
[19:22] <teemperor> little question, look gtk3-apps native in lubuntu 11.10 ? :)
[20:13] <bioterror> tomeo, I have to ask from jmarsden if there's something different in lubuntu when booting
[21:41] <tomeo> bioterror: okay
[21:43] <bioterror> but good night ;)