=== gorilla is now known as Guest59414 [03:50] g'day [08:10] Evening all [08:17] hello [08:19] How are you brez [08:19] I'm great -- got stuck with a bit of the flu right before the working week [08:20] having a straight jacks to try and kill the germs! [08:20] you? [08:20] Just walked in the door from work so cleaning the inbox [08:20] sunday work? [08:21] I'm a shiftworker so I work 24/7 [08:21] same, really. [08:21] what do you do? [08:22] brez, staying around for the meeting ? [08:22] meeting? [08:22] this screen has been attached to this channl for 50 odd days [08:22] Alarm monitoring. Basically sit in a concrete box all day and make sure everyone does their work [08:22] I just randomly check in etc.. [08:23] oo alarm monitoring.. for an ISP? [08:23] Nah for a security company [08:23] Meeting is at 8 [08:23] ohhh, like house alarms? [08:23] I thought you meant network alarms etc.. [08:24] Nah nothing that exciting [08:24] sh log | i Serial2:0 [08:25] Heh, meant for another screen? [08:25] yep. [08:25] I'm on my fiances laptop === Guest59414 is now known as gorilla [08:25] Another reason to stick with a gui irc client [08:25] things don't alt+tab as much as I would like it too. [08:25] Evening gorilla [08:25] haha, nah irssi is besty! [08:25] I can setup irssi proxy and connect via gui client [08:25] I'm planning on moving to an irssi proxy but keeping the xchat front end. [08:26] I just think cli based IRC is better. [08:26] I have that setup on here. [08:26] one command, then connect to the irssi session proxy [08:26] via xchat [08:26] I'm hoping it will work ok with multi networks and about 25 channels [08:26] I don't see the point really [08:26] because all the commands get screwed up. [08:26] Wondering how PMs and notifications will go [08:27] exactly the same [08:27] but I assume you'll need to connect to each IRC network on a different port [08:27] unless you have multiple IP [08:27] 'ss on your box. [08:27] That shouldn't be too difficult to arrange either [08:27] It's only going to live on the LAN here at home [08:27] nope [08:27] I don't understand why [08:27] you would want to, lol [08:28] unless you're wanting to use it like a bouncer. [08:28] where it stays live when you shut off the PC running the gui] [08:28] Trying to move my 24/7 stuff to the server so I can start switching off my desktop to save power [08:28] ah ok [08:28] Power bills suck [08:28] why don't u just install bnc software [08:28] like miau/znc [08:28] I've gone from 5 24/7 pc's down to 3 in the last 6 months in this house [08:28] Trying to make that 1 [08:28] 5? [08:28] what do you need 5 for? [08:28] lol [08:29] 2 desktops for the wife and I each and 1 server. [08:29] ok [08:29] Then I actually calculated how much of the power bill was the computers [08:29] lol [08:29] I have - 1 PC, 1 media server, 1 laptop and then VPS in AUS/UK [08:29] So stuffing anything I like running 24/7 on to the server and going to try turning off computers for the first time in 10 years. [08:30] Actually a low end linode costs about as much as a desktop at home in power bills. [08:30] head_victim, how about 1 server and 1 desktop dualboot [08:30] what state are you in? [08:30] If I could get decent storage space on a low end linode I'd probably move everything there and bugger the home server off [08:30] Brisbane, Queensland. [08:31] ah ok [08:31] The problem is a linode is not really a place for photos and documents, etc. [08:31] I basically run nothing on these VPS's\ [08:31] photos/etc/ are on a 2TB external HDD [08:31] I don't trust technology [08:32] I think I could probably impose on some friends for an irssi-proxy on a linode somewhere if I really wanted. [08:32] all the server is used for is to run a small ftp / IRC / shellinbox [08:32] Oh yeah I run raid 10 here at home AND external drive [08:32] If it doesn't exist in 3 places, it doesn't exist. I just need to work on my offside backup plan better. [08:32] if you're happy connecting via ipv6, I may be able to set you one up later. [08:32] Thinking about setting up an external drive swap with my parents. [08:33] the only thing is the VPS is located in the UK, so it may have some latency' [08:33] hi [08:33] you wont notice connection via the proxy though [08:33] only directly on the cli. [08:33] Thanks for the offer but I'm actually using it as a learning tool for myself. I'm what you call an "end user" having fun playing with sys admin. [08:33] jargonfactory: gday. [08:33] head_victim: how's it going. [08:33] ok, have fun, I'm going to have some tea! [08:33] bbl [08:33] jargonfactory: not too bad, just got home from work. Yourself? [08:33] brez: cheerio [08:34] head_victim: not much. just got the notification about a meeting here :-) [08:34] Ah yeah, will be at 8pm [08:34] ahh right. [08:34] thanks. [08:35] No worries, http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-au/192/detail/ is where the agenda and etails are if you wanted a quick look over [08:35] sagaci: you looked at the new meeting bot yet? [08:41] yeah kinda, I know it existed, just haven't check out the new syntax, if any [08:42] It's pretty much the same with more stuff added on top [08:45] yep, so long as we have a working bot [08:46] Yeah this way we should actually get the logs [08:48] looks to be a quick meeting tonight anyhow [08:49] Yep, not a bad thing every now and then. [09:04] hi all. [09:05] How goes gorilla [09:05] not too badly... starting to settle into my new workplace. [09:07] That's a good thing [09:11] head_victim: true. The world of fiance/stockbroking is odd at times. [09:12] Every niche market has it's oddities. [09:13] yep. exactly. [09:15] * gorilla is a little amazed.. reported a couple of spamming yahoo groups and received a form receipt.. Now get a survey request from yahoo on their customer service :-/ strange! [09:16] WB Johnny_Giggles [09:17] thanks [09:22] bit over half an hour [09:37] hello [09:38] Evening [09:40] how long to go to the meeting? [09:42] About 15 minutes or so [09:43] yay [09:51] 10 minutes... [09:52] And no sign of jaddi :D [09:53] he'll be here [09:54] making grand entrance? :-) [09:55] with limo IRC [09:56] Hah [09:59] hi everyone [09:59] Hi [09:59] hi [10:00] Ding :-) [10:00] Dong :) [10:00] ok.just let me work out the new syntax for the meeting [10:01] #startmeeting UbuntuAu Sept 2011 [10:01] Meeting started Sun Sep 11 10:01:05 2011 UTC. The chair is jaddi27. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot. [10:01] Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired [10:01] Welcome everyone to the September meeting for UbuntuAu [10:02] Please excuse me if the meeting progresses a bit slower than usual, as it is the first time using meetingology for meeting minutes [10:02] Evening all [10:02] Evening [10:02] jaddi27: no worries, it looks like it's the same as the old one with just a bunch of stuff added. [10:03] o/ [10:03] yay.. superset is always helpful! [10:03] #topic Roll Call [10:03] here [10:03] Here [10:03] here [10:03] Please everyone say hello if you haven't already done so [10:03] ello [10:03] Or you can just lurk :) [10:03] #lurk [10:04] :-) [10:04] are "ello"s acceptable? [10:04] Only in the moaning [10:04] gorilla: it's just it only logs attendance of people who say something so anything is really fine [10:06] Hah he's gone [10:06] Ooops [10:06] Too mucuh excitment [10:06] :-) [10:06] ha [10:06] jaddi27: welcome back [10:06] Xchat froze completely for the first time ever [10:07] great time for it to do it [10:07] so, do i start the meeting again? [10:07] Hmmm [10:07] Maybe try a topic and see if it's still going [10:07] #topic Release Party Updates [10:08] it is hard to tell if it is still working - I don't get notifications like you did with mootbot [10:08] Hah :-( Not working? [10:08] I will start again [10:09] #startmeeting UbuntuAu Sept 2011 [10:09] jaddi27: Error: Can't start another meeting, one is in progress. [10:09] :-) [10:09] ok. it is running [10:09] Try an endmeeting [10:09] #endmeeting [10:09] Meeting ended Sun Sep 11 10:09:28 2011 UTC. [10:09] Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-au/2011/ubuntu-au.2011-09-11-10.01.moin.txt [10:09] heh.. no you will not! [10:09] Ah so it still had you as chair :/ [10:09] Least we know [10:09] Yes, good to know for future reference [10:10] Lets begin again [10:10] Sorry all, we're still learning [10:10] Ok bye everyone [10:10] :P [10:10] #startmeeting UbuntuAu Sept 2011 [10:10] Meeting started Sun Sep 11 10:10:16 2011 UTC. The chair is jaddi27. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot. [10:10] Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired [10:10] Round 2! [10:10] http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-au/192/detail/ [10:10] That is where the meeting info can be found [10:10] #topic Roll Call [10:10] here again [10:10] still here! [10:10] Here [10:11] hi [10:11] good to hear [10:11] #topic Release Party Updates [10:12] Our first main topic tonight - upcoming release parties for Oneiric [10:13] strange name [10:13] Who would like to start off? [10:13] Yep well I"ll start with Brisbane [10:13] I'm thinking we do a social event on the sat or sun and then do the installfest a month or so later [10:14] oneiric: Of or relating to dreams or dreaming [10:14] Looking into it the installfest will be at least half a day in itself [10:14] jaddi27: ok [10:15] Sounds OK. Any ideas for the venue for the social? [10:15] I've set an event for Sydney, holding it about a week prior to the Thursday it's released. It's not an installfest or anything quite technical, just a celebration over the oneiric cycle in what we've done and to enjoy the afternoon. Hoping to get a few from around the Sydney suburbs [10:15] Well people seemed to like the breakky creak hotel so was going to default to there unless someothing better came up [10:15] That seems fine. What the parking like? (pretty bad as I remember...) [10:16] Ah ok I hadn't been there before [10:16] sagaci: thanks. i'll try to visit if time permits. [10:16] s/visit/join/ [10:16] Are we talking Sat or Sun here? [10:16] ha ha jaddi27 disconects again [10:17] that time was not xchat [10:17] not working well [10:17] jargonfactory, yeah pop in for a while if you can. I'll be around for a few hours so whoever turns up can have afternoon tea/coffee, etc [10:17] fabricator4: open to suggestion [10:17] sagaci: sounds good. [10:17] Saturday lunch would suit. I'll probably be working in Virginia until 11:30, so just a hop down the road. [10:18] #chair sagaci head_victim jaddi27 [10:18] Current chairs: head_victim jaddi27 sagaci [10:18] Hah that's one way around it :) [10:18] just in case I disconnect again [10:19] :) [10:19] Ok. Are there any more discussions regarding the Oneiric release parties? [10:19] fabricator4: cool I'll shoot something to the list, please respond and we'll organise it [10:19] OK, will do [10:19] I'll pass an email to the mailing list too about the Sydney release party [10:20] I've seen a couple of questinos about Melbourne. Anyone here from down there? [10:20] #action head_victim to email list about Brisbane release party [10:20] ACTION: head_victim to email list about Brisbane release party [10:20] head_victim: I'm in MEL [10:20] #action sagaci to email list about Sydney release party [10:20] ACTION: sagaci to email list about Sydney release party [10:20] gorilla: intersted in running a release party? [10:20] Benny was asking, but he's not here tonight. [10:21] There was also a question on FaceBook [10:21] I could just nominate a venue.. I'm a little pressed for time atm.. change of job and the like. [10:21] gorilla: no worries. Even just getting some talk on the list about it would help [10:22] okay.. I'll suggest it again on the list. [10:22] #idea gorilla to email list about Melbourne release party [10:23] Ready to move on to the next topic? [10:23] No other cities here? [10:24] Eastern seaboard it is :) [10:25] #topic Translations Drive [10:25] sagaci can lead this off, I think [10:26] 21.42% of oneiric is left to translate now [10:26] sorry, 29.42% [10:26] I for one am thoroughly impressed with how much has been accomplished in this area [10:27] I am in the process of generating a graph showing the progress of translations [10:27] Anyway, it's getting to the latter part of the release cycle for oneiric, over the packaging an importing and onto the bugs and translations side of development [10:27] it's up to around ~70% complete, so it's definitely within reach to get this done by 12.04 LTS [10:27] if you have any time at all to donate towards translating into en_AU, please have a look into translating even some of the smaller packages - it does help a lot [10:28] https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+lang/en_AU/+index [10:28] Yeah, 12.04 is a realistic goal. If you have an afternoon spare here and there just post to the list saying oyu'll be around if people want to join the translation effort. Have minijams [10:28] we need to have most of the work done by december/january due to "proof-reading" and triaging older strings that need to be changed - think wastebin/trash [10:28] The translation jam last weekend went well, with at least 3000 strings being translated [10:30] I've also set up an question on answers.launchpad to add a mailing list for the group. I've tried to email Isopogon in ref: to this but haven't had a response.. may be inactive. It would be good to join both Ubuntu/Launchpad teams to have a unified effort on translations and to update group policy and publish team blueprints [10:30] link incoming.. [10:31] #link https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/170787 [10:32] https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/170787 [10:32] not sure if that's registered but anyway... [10:32] Yeah it's a bit odd, in other channels it's been a bit more chatty [10:32] I think it has registered, but the new system does not show everything that has happened like the old system [10:33] just to add [10:34] ubuntu is pretty much done, kubuntu and some command-line, packaging utilities are to be completed, so if you run vanilla ubuntu 11.10, it should be customised to honour the English language at its maximised potential [10:35] that's the end of my dialogue [10:35] You will notice a few inconsistencies still, as mentioned previously, such as Trash, Rubbish Bin, etc [10:36] I would also like to say thanks to sagaci for doing so much work on this over the past few months [10:36] #topic Team Approval Update [10:36] head_victim, I will pass over to you [10:37] Ok, I'm sorry this has taken so long. I was told the bug approval method was just as effecient as the meeting sort [10:37] I have been slowly making progress and I've answered a few questions from the council but no set date of when I'll know either way (and then be able to pass on to you all) [10:38] I'm still hassling them on a regular basis though [10:38] Thanks for the update. Is there anything that we can do to assist with the process? [10:39] #fakeidea spam #ubuntu-locos [10:39] Not that I can think of really [10:39] I'd like to see people raise the ideas of sei regular social gatherings at the release parties. Ubuntu Hours are always something I've tried to start around here. [10:39] semi* [10:40] I can do one once every three months in Sydney, awaiting demand [10:40] 2 releases, a winter one and in december, "sprints", if you like [10:41] I'll working on promotion so I can get into a 9-5 and be able to organise a brisbane one [10:41] head_victim, should be putting your release party on loco.u.c, even if it isn't concrete yet [10:42] Yep, only a month away [10:45] Are there any more topics for tonight's meeting? [10:45] Umm, I was going to defer to the mailing list but it seems that the blueprint for localisation will be real and in full flight by 12.04 LTS [10:46] #topic Ubuntu Localisation [10:46] Is there a launchpad blueprint for that? [10:46] yep [10:46] one sec [10:46] What is involved with localisation [10:46] jaddi27, translations, default wallpaper, bookmarks, documentation, etc [10:46] Ok. Thought it might be that [10:47] #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-o-cd-localization [10:47] it's pretty primitive at the moment but it should have more options in the next release [10:48] personally, I think it should be added to the ubiquity installer but it depends on the amount of changes and various other things [10:48] Nice, should definitely take that to the list. We can organise to get a background pack together for the artistic types to contribute to. [10:48] but yet you'll still be able to install/download "regular" ubuntu without everything else added on, if you wish [10:50] we talked about this briefly last meeting but it's full effect won't be felt/realised until we customise and build/use the isos to see how local ubuntu can get [10:50] that is all [10:50] I think we should set up a wiki page with customisation thoughts for the local version [10:50] its* [10:50] great, action please! [10:51] second it :) [10:51] #action ubuntu-au to set up a wiki page with customisation thoughts for the local version [10:51] ACTION: ubuntu-au to set up a wiki page with customisation thoughts for the local version [10:51] I think there was a wiki page set up a long time ago for localisation hooked into the translation team [10:52] I'll try and dig it up later [10:52] yep, saw that [10:52] That would be good [10:52] head_victim, What is the latest with the new UbuntuAu Mission Statement [10:53] Yes, we had a brief discussion on the list. [10:53] #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/MissionStatement [10:54] If you look right down the bottom, that's pretty much where I'm happy, what do other people think? [10:54] "Version 3" [10:54] I think it looks good. The only thing I was wondering about was the word 'therefore' in the second sentence [10:56] Cheer,s I'm hoping we're approaching the final iteration of it soon. [10:56] It seems to have gone from the the specific, back in the direction of the esoteric? [10:56] catching up to Chrome versioning [10:57] _Sounds_ good though. :-) [10:57] fabricator4: I checked the original and it didn't seem to vary too much, just spread out more [10:58] head_victim, like Australia :) [10:58] Yes, fair enough. [10:58] I meant to shoot it to the list after some discussion with kyphi but just never made it this week yet [10:59] #idea head_victim to update the list with update on UbuntuAu Mission Statement [11:00] Well, is there anything else for tonight's meeting? [11:00] I think we have got through a fair bit considering the number of agenda items [11:01] there was something about documenting events on youtube [11:02] Yes, that was brought up at the last meeting I think [11:02] I don't think anything has been done towards this yet, but maybe we can get something started soon. [11:03] Is there someone who would like to take charge of starting this off? [11:04] Again, I looked into it but couldn't work it out because YouTUbe appear to be shutting down the Groups section [11:04] i'm welling to bouce some ideas of somebody else [11:05] there are other video hosters [11:06] Ok. tom_a_sparks, would you like to coordinate this? I am also happy to help out [11:06] Yeah but from what the discussion went none are as public and easy to find [11:07] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_video_hosting_services [11:07] I know some other Ubuntu folk use some for streaming I'll ask around [11:09] I know ubuntu-screencasting use blip.tv [11:09] Quite likely that's what I'm thinking of [11:09] ustream was another [11:10] justin.tv, et [11:10] etc* [11:11] or do we host the videos locally [11:11] I think instead of a youtube group, an account could be set up for UbuntuAu that will 'own' the videos for the group [11:12] head_victim being the owner [11:12] Ok, I can set it up from the mailing list owner email like the identica one is [11:12] So that way anyone with moderation rights on the mailing list can action it [11:12] So it's still "owned" by the team [11:13] That would be a good way, I think [11:13] #info might be an idea to include multiple chairs for future disconnects/blackouts/etc [11:14] #action head_victim to set up an UbuntuAu youtube account for sharing videos useful to other Ubuntu users [11:14] ACTION: head_victim to set up an UbuntuAu youtube account for sharing videos useful to other Ubuntu users [11:14] have an allocated chair and one/two backups [11:14] sagaci, Yes, I will do that from now on. I am not sure how I managed to have 2 failures in one night [11:14] should defer it to the mailing list - re: CC licensed material only? [11:15] sagaci: that sounds fair, that's what the wiki is [11:15] Yes, that sounds like a good plan. Should limit the issues of copyright that way [11:15] Makes it easier to remember if it's all the same [11:15] Does youtube do streaming though? [11:16] I know it does but I'm not so sure for individuals [11:16] you mean lve video feeds? [11:16] slug was streamed a month or two ago [11:16] tom_a_sparks: yeah, some people wanted that ability to remotely participate in events [11:17] you would be looking at a icecast server [11:19] I've heard ustream.tv can do it [11:19] Hmm, leaning towards using that for both then if it can do it [11:20] justin.tv can also do live streaming [11:21] It looks like ustream.tv is not free [11:21] depends what you're doing it for and if you only want audio or video too [11:22] video would be a pain, due to bandwidth pretty much anywhere in Aus [11:22] Yes, that is trus [11:22] *true [11:23] So maybe do youtube for now, and then investigate a live streaming service as well for the one off events we want to hold? [11:23] Sounds good [11:24] #idea investigate live streaming services for future group events [11:24] end of meeting? [11:25] As it is nearly 9:30pm, I think I will close [11:25] Yeah it's starting to get that way [11:25] #endmeeting [11:25] Meeting ended Sun Sep 11 11:25:07 2011 UTC. [11:25] Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-au/2011/ubuntu-au.2011-09-11-10.10.moin.txt [11:25] log looks ok [11:26] Yes, it is much better formatting [11:26] The html version doesn't seem to work for me [11:27] Sweet, so you two happy enough with the new bot after the first little hiccup? [11:27] Yes, it seems to work well [11:28] I like how is shows the actions [11:29] summaries are good but I'd rather the info double up in the chat, so you know it has gone through, just a personal preference [11:30] Yes, that is true [11:31] I think it is supposed to do private messaging in the future, but it hasn't been implemented yet [11:31] I will create the next meeting on l.u.c [11:33] http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-au/212/detail/ [11:35] sagaci, I have put you down as chair [11:36] yep, and I'll chair head_victim jaddi27 for next meeting when we start [11:36] Ok, sounds good [11:36] No worries [11:36] Sunday 9th [11:37] I'll actually be available again [11:39] head_victim, note to self, click agenda item then select delete agenda item to delete it! [11:39] Hah nice work [11:39] in re: Aug meeting [11:39] Well I have to be awake at 4am again so I should head off [11:39] righteo cya [11:40] head_victim, See you later [11:40] Thanks for the work tonight. I'll work on my action items this week and mail the list accordingly. Look forward to hearing it all [11:42] * sagaci fixed Aug meeting clutter [11:42] Cheers, Night all [11:42] Goodnight [11:44] night [11:56] sagaci, Anything you would like me to do in relation to translating, loco, etc? [11:58] not anything specific, I mean, I'd just like these 117,000 or so translations to just disappear [11:59] ideally I'd like to administer the en_AU translations and link them to the launchpad ones... ideally :) [11:59] Ok. I will wave my wand, and it should be done by next year [11:59] I will have more time later in the week to help do more translating [12:00] yep, I'd like to see us under 100,000 by release [12:00] but that's still 100,000 we need to do by march next year [12:00] Yes, it is a lot [12:00] I've been on a pretty good roll this week [12:00] Yes, you certainly have been [12:01] I really wanted to roll out my graphing script to show how well the translation effort is going [12:01] but I haven't had time to properly implement it [12:02] yeah I was wishing I'd done something like that [12:02] are you manually getting the data? [12:04] No, I have a regex script [12:04] So in a way is it manually getting the data [12:05] ah ok, so it runs daily? [12:07] yes, it will in the end [12:08] so will it do history or just when you finish it [12:08] It will only have data from when it is first turned on [12:09] so at the moment I might do manual data, until i have it finished [12:11] i'm pretty busy this week too, I'll still be able to do 500 strings here and there but nothing like the 10,000+ I did this past week [12:13] Yes, that is understandable [12:17] still doing a couple hundred strings on the chromium-browser package. I'm in a web-browser for a significant time so I like everything au-ed [12:18] It is good to see the translations filtering through into what we are using [12:20] yeah head_victim has done upstream xchat but hasn't been able to get a response so far... and it isn't translatable in lp [12:25] That is annoying to hear [12:25] hopefully there will be some way to do it eventually [12:28] well looking forward to the next couple of weeks, ubuntu-au reapproval, maybe and 12.04 adjective animal [12:28] hopefully it's placid [12:28] but I'm assuming it's going to be something more exotic [12:29] it will be interesting to see what they chose [12:29] when does it get announced? [12:30] well karmic was in Jan 09, it's usually 2-3months out of the final release but oneiric was fairly late, it'll have to be done soon since oneiric is one month away [12:32] yes, that is true [12:32] jaddi27, https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+lang/en_AU/+index?batch=75&memo=675&start=675 [12:33] anything on that batch... I've just been mowing down pages of strings, it's a few thousand on there but a bit everynow and then helps [12:34] Ok. I will work on that when I have some spare time [12:34] I have also been doing gcc-4.6, so I will work on that also [12:35] I will be off now. When I have the graph working (or some data to view), I will let you know [12:36] righteo, cya later [12:36] bye [13:34] i am a new user .I install some updates from update manager in ubuntu 11.04 then software centre got disabled and also update manager was not responding.When i restarted ubuntu, keyboard was not detected and i had to reconnect keyboard cable.Then i reinstall ubuntu. Can anybody explain me what was the problem? === ejat- is now known as ejat