[02:21] <Samm> HazRPG: heyyyyy
[02:23] <HazRPG> Samm: Hoooooo! *thunder cats*
[02:37] <Samm> HazRPG: FalseProphet on Freenode is such a twat
[02:37] <HazRPG> Samm: hmm?
[02:37] <HazRPG> Samm: who? lol
[02:38] <Samm> HazRPG: Some stupid kiddie
[02:38] <HazRPG> Samm: lol
[02:38] <Samm> HazRPG: Ever been to #teensonlinx or ##teenlinux ?
[02:38] <HazRPG> nope
[02:44] <Samm> HazRPG: I'm eating so many bananas
[02:44] <Samm> HazRPG: Bananas are a good source of fibre :)
[02:45] <Samm> High in fibre, including bananas in the diet can help restore normal bowel action
[02:45] <Samm> , helping to overcome the problem without resorting to laxatives.
[02:45] <HazRPG> Samm: like I keep saying, make sure to drink plenty to go with that though
[02:45] <Samm> HazRPG: I'm drinking a pint of milk :)
[02:46] <HazRPG> too much fibre, little water = constipation, cos the fibre absorbs the water
[02:46] <HazRPG> or at least attracts them
[02:48] <Samm> I never drink water, but I drink milk.
[02:48] <Samm> HazRPG: I won't be able to buy milk today because the supermarkets will be closed by the time I wake up. :(
[03:02] <ali1234> maybe you are lactose intolerant. did you consider that?
[03:16] <Samm> ali1234: I considered it
[03:16] <Samm> ali1234: But surely I'd know if I was?
[03:16] <Samm> ali1234: And I think my constipation started before I started drinking milk.
[03:42] <Samm> HazRPG: night xx
[05:45] <czajkowski> aloha
[05:48] <suprengr> coffee brewing - tv on RWC1 (known to  some as itv1)
[09:21] <Gallo> morn all
[09:21] <Gallo> anyone awake lol
[09:34] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[09:36] <suprengr> \o
[09:36] <brobostigon> o/
[09:36] <MartijnVdS> \o
[09:36] <MartijnVdS> F1 this afternoon \o/
[09:36] <suprengr> yeah!
[09:36] <MartijnVdS> that should make the gym easier to cope with ;)
[09:36] <brobostigon> hmmm.
[09:39] <isleofmandan> gym? What's one of those?
[09:40] <MartijnVdS> isleofmandan: that's the place where I compensate for sitting at the computer all day
[09:40] <isleofmandan> ;)
[09:41] <isleofmandan> Oh. I didn't know I had to compensate. *hides chocolate brownie crumbs*
[09:41] <czajkowski> morning
[09:42] <isleofmandan> morning
[09:50] <isleofmandan> So, my attempt at running a new LUG on the Isle of Man isn't too successful so far. Still, the cakes and tea here are nice!
[09:51] <MartijnVdS> isleofmandan: too bad you have to buy them yourself every time?
[09:51] <isleofmandan> It's our first ever event. I appear to be the only attendee :)
[09:51] <isleofmandan> Gotta start somewhere though
[09:51] <MartijnVdS> out of how many on the island? :)
[09:52] <isleofmandan> And my Ubuntu netbook, combined with wifi tethering courtesy of android is helping...
[09:52] <isleofmandan> population of about 80,000
[09:52] <MartijnVdS> ah, as big as the town I live in then :)
[09:52] <MartijnVdS> except larger (so less population density)
[09:53] <isleofmandan> Quite a few 'techie' types on Twitter. Many using linux of one sort or another. I thought we needed a LUG. After all, this is where Mr S lives! :)
[09:55] <suprengr> isleofmandan, he *still* lives there?... & can't attend?
[09:55] <czajkowski> he's a busy man
[09:55] <suprengr> [boo hiss]
[09:55] <czajkowski> just because he lives there doesnt mean he *has* to attend either lads
[09:55] <suprengr> ...thought he had cronies to his busy for him these days
[09:56] <suprengr> ;)
[09:56] <isleofmandan> I got a nice email saying he'd love to come, but his secretary told him he wouldn't be able to make it. Busy chap.
[09:56] <isleofmandan> He wants to stay in the loop. Quite nice really.
[09:56] <czajkowski> isleofmandan: it's his PA not his secretary :)
[09:58] <nigelb> And Ubuntu/Canonical is not the only things he does :)
[09:58] <isleofmandan> :)
[09:58] <nigelb> s/is/are
[09:58]  * suprengr hums "I'm a spaceman"
[09:58] <isleofmandan> To be clear, I know he's very busy. I wasn't demaning he come or anything. In fact, I was genuinely surprised he took the time to mail me.
[09:59] <isleofmandan> And anyway, given I appear to be the only member of IoMLUG at the moment, it would've been really embarrassing! :)
[10:00] <isleofmandan> Think I'll try a pub meet next time. See who I can drag out.
[11:39] <awilkins> Agile development : comments on it? I have an interview on Tuesday where I have to present about it and I'll shamelessly milk your sage opinions if you present them :-)
[11:40] <awilkins> Currently I'm going with "KanbanScrumKeeper", a new methodology I'm making up as I go along that incorporates Kanban, Scrum, and the gatekeeper workflow used by Bazaar / Linux etc
[11:40]  * penguin42 hasn't done much of it - but in some places it's got a really bad name
[11:41] <awilkins> Apparently we've decided it's a good idea since I get the idea that the interview is essentially a competition to see who's AgileMojo is strongest
[11:43] <awilkins> We've been using scrum, and it's not been that bad for us, considering the impediment of the actual work that's being done and the dedicated resistance to appropriate levels of participation by the stakeholders (especially the customer)
[11:43] <penguin42> awilkins: So the challenge for some people is being convincing that you can actually make progress and have some idea of where you're going to be in say 6 months time
[11:45] <awilkins> Hooray! This is already a useful discussion thinking up stuff I had not thought of.. I don't think it's so hard to say that you can make progress, but I would probably agree about the "where are we in 6 months" bit... on the other hand, I don't think planned development has any miraculous ability to ensure that you are where you planned to be - but it's good at saying "we plan to be here"
[11:46] <penguin42> yeh
[11:46] <penguin42> damn peers
[11:47] <awilkins> All things being equal (agile and planned having the same development speed), you'd end up in the same place anyway. But the point being that planned is not good at accounting for changes in direction, and might actually take you to a place you didn't want to be (in hindsight)
[11:47] <alexcockell> Hi all..
[11:48] <penguin42> awilkins: So I think the problem you can get with agile is that at the end of one month/sprint/thingy you don't get a bunch of stuff done, but then what happens when that particular task doesn't get done in a few sprints? Will it ever happen - is it actually late?
[11:49] <awilkins> penguin42, I can definitely relate to that  - we've had a number of tasks that just don't seem to fit into one sprint. And the big problem with these (and anything that doesn't result in user-facing features) is that you don't get any perception of progress.
[11:50] <awilkins> Even if you break them up into smaller chunks, it still doesn't look like progress to complete those chunks to the user level of things
[11:50] <alexcockell> Umm - however, if there's an annoying bug that isn't there any more - it *does8 appear as less annnoying..
[11:51] <penguin42> awilkins: Yeh, especially if you have another team waiting for it
[11:55] <awilkins> The worst part was that the (third party) data storage layer was so horrible to work with that it took several sprints to even get to the point where you could load some data to show in the UI. We eventually just went with a prototype backend that used the XML files we were importing the data from.
[11:56] <awilkins> And that got used as the production backend because the storage thing had some nasty concurrency issues
[12:06] <alexcockell> ..
[12:18] <suprengr> Sunday bliss is... F1 live on TV, F1 live driver cam on pooter, F1 live timings on netbook perched on TV ;)
[12:18] <suprengr> ...& a bottle of beer :O
[12:20] <alexcockell> Avoiding News 24 coverage then?
[12:20] <suprengr> was up at 5am - did my condolences then
[12:28] <brobostigon> if i ssh tunnel from my phone, to my vps, is there anything other than ssh, i need to configure on the vps end?
[12:31] <MartijnVdS> no
[12:31] <brobostigon> ok, thank you, let me try.
[12:31] <MartijnVdS> maybe an outgoing firewall (if you set up iptables blocking of outgoing connections)
[12:32] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: how would i check that?
[12:32] <suprengr> Guest73624 is now known as a pain in the whotsits
[12:33] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: can you connect to the internet from your VPS? Then you don't have to do anything :)
[12:33] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: (i.e. wget/w3m/etc.)
[12:33] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: i am using irssi, from my vps and bitlbee.
[12:34] <MartijnVdS> sounds ok then.. you tend to know when you set up a firewall of outgoing connections :)
[12:34] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: i set it up with ufw, and i dont remeber doing so.
[12:40] <AlanBell> suprengr: agreed
[12:42] <brobostigon> now to work out, how i can check, it is working properly. traceroute i think, to see if http is going over my vps.
[12:43] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: open a page hosted on your vps, then check the source ip in the access log
[12:43] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: if it's your VPS ip, it's OK
[12:43] <MartijnVdS> if it's not, it's not :)
[12:43] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: ah, good thinking, :)
[12:52] <brobostigon> nope, apache's access.log. says it is coming from a different ip, than my vps's.
[12:52] <suprengr> AlanBell, thanks ;)
[12:53] <brobostigon> hmmm,
[13:04] <swat_> afternoon
[13:52] <democrezy> How can i enhance visual effects in ubuntu 11.04
[15:16] <daubers> LO
[15:16] <daubers> Urgh
[15:16] <daubers> Lo
[15:34] <dutchie> suppose i am running a test website in a vm on my laptop
[15:34] <dutchie> and i want to see what said website looks like on my (android) phone
[15:35] <dutchie> how could i make it so that i can put something into my phone that routes to the vm?
[15:35] <penguin42> dutchie: Can you get from your wifi to your vm?
[15:35] <mgdm> if you have a web server on the laptop, you could do something like Apache's mod_proxy to proxy it to the VM
[15:36] <mgdm> (I do this a lot)
[15:36] <dutchie> penguin42: no, this is the thing i want to make possible :)
[15:36] <mgdm> it's either that or use iptables to forward your port of choice to the VM
[15:37] <penguin42> dutchie: Can you get from your wifi to your host machine?
[15:37] <dutchie> penguin42: yes
[15:38] <penguin42> dutchie: OK, so on your host you can do a port forward using ssh (or as mgdm says iptables) - I'd use ssh -L
[15:38] <penguin42> dutchie: Can you ssh from your host to your vm ?
[15:38] <dutchie> i might try yes
[15:38] <dutchie> yes
[15:38] <dutchie> even
[15:39] <dutchie> ok that works
[15:39] <dutchie> i will return to this after "lunch"
[15:39] <dutchie> just need to make wordpress not be annoying now
[16:20] <rml_home> 1119397
[16:35]  * penguin42 looks at rml_home
[17:19]  * AlanBell sees MooDoo sproglette pictures
[17:20] <czajkowski> aye
[17:20] <czajkowski> on saturdaydat he had a girl
[17:21] <AlanBell> yup
[17:22] <dutchie> hrm
[17:22] <dutchie> still can't appear to get anything to work
[17:23] <AlanBell> dutchie: using virtualbox?
[17:23] <dutchie> AlanBell: virt-manager/kvm
[17:23] <AlanBell> ah, so lots of bridge stuff then
[17:24] <AlanBell> so you want the guest to pick up a real IP address from the LAN I guess
[17:24] <dutchie> ah that could work too
[17:24] <AlanBell> which can be non-trivial on wifi
[17:24] <dutchie> probably simpler than trying to forward stuff through the host
[17:24] <dutchie> ...or not
[17:24] <AlanBell> is the host connected via ethernet or wifi?
[17:25] <dutchie> wifi
[17:25] <dutchie> i could probably dig out an ethernet cable if required
[17:26] <AlanBell> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/debian-26/kvm-wireless-bridge-network-691953/#post3404388
[17:26] <dutchie> oooo
[17:26] <AlanBell> I don't know if KVM can do wifi bridged now
[17:27] <AlanBell> virtualbox can
[17:27] <dutchie> not sure how much of a wifi stack is on the guest
[17:28] <dutchie> though i suppose there is nothing to stop me
[17:28] <dutchie> tbh not sure if it is worth that much effort
[17:28] <dutchie> might just go play minecraft
[17:28] <AlanBell> the guest doesn't see it as wifi
[17:29] <dutchie> ah handy
[17:38] <slvr> dutchie: ncat as http proxy?
[17:38] <mgdm> nyancat?
[17:38]  * mgdm runs
[18:16] <dutchie> slvr: didn't know  you were in here :)
[18:18] <dutchie> also didn't know ncat could do that
[18:18] <dutchie> though i suppose it makes sense
[18:31] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Tony] The writing on the quilt - http://tonywhitmore.co.uk/blog/2011/09/11/the-writing-on-the-quilt/
[18:39] <danfish> evening all!
[18:39] <czajkowski> danfish: ALOHA!
[18:40] <danfish> czajkowski: son number 1 first outing at miny rubgy today :D
[18:40] <danfish> s/miny/mini
[18:40] <czajkowski> danfish: awwww yay
[18:40] <danfish> he loved it
[18:41] <czajkowski> good stuff
[18:41] <czajkowski> caught any of the games?
[18:41] <danfish> on the way home he said "Daddy, let's make a fox scarer with water and your gadgets"
[18:42] <danfish> czajkowski: bits and pieces of games - weekends == me as taxi driver
[18:42] <danfish> czajkowski: but some good games - have recorded a few and will watch tonight
[18:46] <czajkowski> danfish: cool
[19:23] <andylock1an> hey guys and gals
[19:24] <andylock1an> any chance someone could help me, if I print a string from beautifulsoup it returns it as unicode.. (i.e. [u'This is the text'])
[19:24] <andylock1an> how can I remove the [u''] bit?
[19:24] <andylock1an> (python)
[19:36] <andylockran> ?
[19:38] <czajkowski> andylockran: tis sunday evening
[19:38] <czajkowski> rarely anyone around at this hour
[19:38] <popey> all busy playing minecraft :D
[19:38] <czajkowski> or catching up on rugby
[19:39] <czajkowski> I got a mail from SABDFL after my blog post the other day
[19:39] <czajkowski> amusing to say the least
[19:40] <andylockran> ah, sorry guys
[19:41] <Laney> andylockran: erm, why do you care that it's unicode encoded?
[19:41] <Laney> the u and quotes shouldn't show up when you print it
[19:42] <Laney> laney@iota> python -c "print u'hello'"                                                                                                     ~
[19:42] <Laney> hello
[19:42] <Laney> now: pubpubpubpubpubpubpub
[19:42] <Lcawte> popey: O.o, are you playing 1.8-pre?
[19:52] <awilkins> Oh darn, why'd you mention Minecraft just as I have to do this presentation......
[19:52] <awilkins> "Er, so, like, Agile development means you have to ... keep the exploding cacti away from your pigs.... and chickens?"
[19:54] <awilkins> Actually... Minecraft goes on about agile on it's "about" page, sweet
[20:13] <popey> Lcawte: yes
[20:13] <Lcawte> Is it any good?
[20:14] <popey> it has bugs
[20:14] <popey> but yeah, it has some nice stuff
[20:29] <awilkins> Chicken!
[20:29] <awilkins> He talks about agile in the about page but only NOW do we have pigs AND chickens
[20:30] <awilkins> http://www.implementingscrum.com/2006/09/11/the-classic-story-of-the-pig-and-chicken/
[20:35] <nucc1> i'm about to enable ufw on a server via ssh, does ufw permit SSH by default?
[20:35] <nucc1> because if it doesn't i'm screwed after i enable it
[20:37] <funkyHat> nucc1: no, it doesn't. Set up your ssh rule before anbling
[20:37] <funkyHat> *enabling
[20:39] <nucc1> funkyHat, ok, thanks. reading a manual now.
[20:39] <nucc1> i've run ufw allow ssh
[20:39] <nucc1> is that sufficient to start with?
[20:39] <funkyHat> nucc1: should be yes
[20:40] <nucc1> ok, fingers crossed :)