[05:38] <Kilos> morning superfly and others
[05:38]  * Kilos waves to ahab land
[05:58] <superfly> morning Kilos
[06:49] <Kilos> hmmm
[06:59] <nlsthzn> Hier kom die bokke...
[06:59]  * nlsthzn doesn't like gees vang alone :'(
[07:07] <Kilos> huh?
[07:07] <Kilos> moenie jou tales so opmix nie
[14:02] <Kilos> nlsthzn, you busy?
[14:02] <nlsthzn> Alo Uncle Kilos ... never...
[14:02] <Kilos> i just need a bit of guidance to check i dont mess up please
[14:02] <Kilos> that uuid thing
[14:03] <Kilos> i have the commands
[14:03] <Kilos> first i think we do
[14:03] <Kilos> ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid/
[14:03] <Kilos> then 
[14:04] <Kilos> ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid
[14:04] <Kilos> if as on here the sda8 uuid is different
[14:05] <Kilos> then i think we gotta gedit /etc/fstab
[14:05] <nlsthzn> you want to  check what UUID is which disc ...?
[14:05] <Kilos> is that correct
[14:06] <Kilos> yeah member on boot it says cant see my storage and i gotta hit ns to skip
[14:06] <Kilos> my storage is sda8
[14:07] <nlsthzn> give a sec
[14:08] <Kilos> aw the uuid is the same for sda8 on both ls commands
[14:08] <superfly> Kilos: that's because the commands are identical
[14:08] <Kilos> oh here i ran
[14:08] <Kilos> sec
[14:09] <Kilos> cat /boot/grub/grub.cfg , cat /etc/fstab
[14:09] <nlsthzn> blkid /dev/sd8 will give the correct UUID
[14:09] <Kilos> and it shows sda8 with a different uuid
[14:09] <superfly> Kilos: oh, ok
[14:10] <nlsthzn> blkid -U "UUID" will give the /dev/sdx...
[14:10] <Kilos> i got so many terminals and text pages open i am getting lost
[14:10]  * nlsthzn thinks he is way out of his depth he is glad the superfly has arrived...phew
[14:10] <Kilos> oh so then i dont have to gedit it even?
[14:10] <Kilos> lol
[14:11] <Kilos> superfly, ball in your court
[14:19] <Kilos> with the cat command sda8 has a different uuid and i think i did a gedit of fstab last time to correct the uuid
[14:19] <Kilos> just wanna make sure
[14:29] <nlsthzn> Uncle Kilos... can you give a look at your fstab again
[14:29] <Kilos> ok
[14:30] <Kilos> still a different uuid
[14:31] <nlsthzn> so the disc giving a problem isn't auto-mounting at the moment...? You have to mount it manually after logging in?
[14:31] <Kilos> yeah thats it
[14:32] <nlsthzn> so you want it to auto-mount
[14:32] <Kilos> i can mount it fine in places
[14:32] <nlsthzn> and you have an entry in ftsab which is wrong
[14:32] <Kilos> just so it doesnt block booting nlsthzn 
[14:33] <nlsthzn> just to be clear... copy the entry here which has to wrong UUID
[14:33] <Kilos> ok
[14:34] <Kilos> # /storage was on /dev/sda8 during installation
[14:34] <Kilos> UUID=8dec497d-6b55-46c8-abcb-185ca9398a72 /storage 
[14:34] <Kilos> and this is the ls output
[14:35] <nlsthzn> cool... what does "blkid -U 8dec497d-6b55-46c8-abcb-185ca9398a72" return?
[14:35] <Kilos> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 2011-09-11 07:31 9f72a224-0740-43aa-b318-9bd2eef6d25f -> ../../sda8
[14:35] <Kilos> nothing
[14:35] <Kilos> just goes back to prompt
[14:35] <Kilos> oh wait
[14:35] <Kilos> i try that
[14:36] <Kilos> back to prompt. dunno if it did anything
[14:36] <nlsthzn> I am also trying it and all I get it going back to prompt :p
[14:37] <nlsthzn> This command comess from the LPI users guide I was studying :
[14:37] <nlsthzn> :/
[14:37] <Kilos> lol
[14:37] <Kilos> i think one actually has to gedit /etc/fstab
[14:37] <nlsthzn> needs sudo
[14:37] <nlsthzn> DOH!
[14:37] <Kilos> oh
[14:38] <nlsthzn> >.<
[14:39] <nlsthzn> sudo blkid -U 8dec497d-6b55-46c8-abcb-185ca9398a72 
[14:39] <Kilos> did that
[14:39] <Kilos> didnt change in cat command
[14:40] <nlsthzn> ?
[14:40] <Kilos> lol see thats why i came and asked
[14:41] <nlsthzn> try the above in terminal...
[14:41] <inetpro> what is the problem?
[14:41] <Kilos> gedit will change it but i bietjie bang if i got no one to blame
[14:41] <nlsthzn> just want to see that the UUID is definitly not /dev/sd8
[14:41] <nlsthzn> could also do sudo blkid /dev/sd8
[14:42] <Kilos> on booting i get a messsage that /storage cant be foung inetpro 
[14:42] <inetpro> Kilos: what changed?
[14:42]  * nlsthzn goes to lurk mode... let the pro's handle it... good luck...
[14:42] <inetpro> out of the ls above it tells me that it should be on sda8
[14:43] <Kilos> that partition wasnt given the mount point of storage on installing
[14:43] <Kilos> i did that later with gparted from another drive
[14:43] <inetpro> nlsthzn: heh :-(
[14:44] <nlsthzn> inetpro, ? ... you be leet :p I be monkey... ook ook
[14:44] <Kilos> hehe
[14:44] <nlsthzn> :) I am reading out of a book and trying to make sense of it all :p
[14:44] <Kilos> in cat /boot/grub/grub.cfg , cat /etc/fstab it shows the above uuid inetpro 
[14:45] <Kilos> running ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid/  i see a different uuid
[14:45] <inetpro> Kilos: what happens if you try to mount sda8 to /storage manually?
[14:45] <Kilos> perfect from places
[14:46] <Kilos> it just blocks booting unless i hit s to skip trying to find it
[14:46] <nlsthzn> I am pretty sure just removing the line from fstab would make the boot issue go away... but fixing the problem would make auto-mount work again...
[14:46] <inetpro> Kilos: sudo mount /dev/sda8 /storage
[14:48] <Kilos> back to prompt
[14:48] <Kilos> not showing on desktop
[14:48] <inetpro> Kilos: and now type mount on it's own
[14:48] <inetpro> and or ls -l /storage
[14:49] <Kilos> only root can do that
[14:49] <inetpro> Kilos: sudo ls -la /storage
[14:50] <Kilos> i see it in cli
[14:50] <Kilos> shows the files
[14:50] <inetpro> ok so now all you need is to make it auto-mount in the fstab
[14:50] <Kilos> drwx------  5 miles miles 4096 2011-09-10 13:29 .
[14:51] <Kilos> drwxr-xr-x 23 root  root  4096 2011-09-08 16:14 ..
[14:51] <Kilos> drwxr-xr-x  2 miles miles 4096 2011-09-10 07:50 1.avi
[14:51] <Kilos> drwx------  2 miles miles 4096 2011-09-10 13:52 Season 1
[14:51] <Kilos> drwx------  2 miles miles 4096 2011-09-07 18:16 Season 2
[14:51] <Kilos> dunno what root is doing in there
[14:54] <inetpro> Kilos: .. is just the parent folder
[14:55] <Kilos> inetpro, doen my n guns asb en gee corrie die lienk na tara se audisie in twitter
[14:55] <inetpro> which belongs to root
[14:55] <Kilos> oh ty
[14:56] <Kilos> die dom donner se hy is in uk
[14:56] <inetpro> Kilos: and please don't ever try to change the root folder permissions
[14:56] <Kilos> lol yeah we learned that the hard way
[14:56] <Kilos> i only chown externals and sticks now
[14:59] <inetpro> cool
[14:59] <inetpro> Kilos: what filesystem is sda8 formatted as?
[14:59] <Kilos> ext4
[14:59] <Kilos> everything ext4
[14:59] <inetpro> nice
[15:00] <inetpro> now just make sure you have the following line in fstab
[15:00] <Kilos> can i do auto-mount in cli too?
[15:00] <inetpro> /dev/sda8       /storage          ext4    defaults        0       2
[15:00] <Kilos> oh
[15:01] <inetpro> no need for the line with the funny UUID... I'm not sure why they even use that
[15:02] <Kilos> just sudo gedit /etc/fstab and add that line?
[15:02] <inetpro> just make sure you don't remove stuff that you are not sure about
[15:02] <Kilos> no need to change uuid?
[15:02] <inetpro> Kilos: can you pastebin the file
[15:03] <Kilos> yip sec please
[15:05] <Kilos> http://slexy.org/view/s2kFwB3d8P
[15:06] <Kilos> very long file that
[15:06] <inetpro> Kilos: those are two files
[15:07] <Kilos> from one command
[15:07] <inetpro> Kilos:  all we need for this exercise is cat /etc/fstab
[15:07] <Kilos> ok
[15:07] <inetpro> which is there
[15:07] <inetpro> change the line 
[15:08] <inetpro> UUID=8dec497d-6b55-46c8-abcb-185ca9398a72 /storage        ext4    defaults        0       2
[15:08] <inetpro> to
[15:08] <inetpro> /dev/sda8 /storage        ext4    defaults        0       2
[15:08] <Kilos> ok will do ty
[15:08] <Kilos> will it then find the uuid on its own
[15:09] <inetpro> superfly, cocooncrash: why do they use the UUID in fstab files these days?
[15:09] <inetpro> Kilos: hash out the line for reference purposes and then add the new one
[15:10] <inetpro> I always try to keep a backup
[15:10] <Kilos> ok
[15:11] <Kilos> it is hashed
[15:11] <Kilos> # /storage was on /dev/sda8 during installation
[15:11] <Kilos> UUID=8dec497d-6b55-46c8-abcb-185ca9398a72 /storage        ext4    defaults        0       2
[15:11] <inetpro> Kilos: nope
[15:11] <inetpro> put a hash in front of UUID
[15:12] <Kilos> ok
[15:12] <nlsthzn> From what I can gather the UUID is important because SATA and SCSI and USB are using the same naming scheme and the kernel names them as it finds them so it can happen that sda isn't the same sda as yesterday
[15:12] <nlsthzn> or something like that :)
[15:13] <inetpro> nlsthzn: would that not be a problem only if you swap cables and motherboards around?
[15:14] <superfly> inetpro: I don't know
[15:14] <Kilos> just making sure inetpro i enter after the last character in the uuid line i have now hashed and add above with no hashes ?
[15:14] <nlsthzn> Not sure... but I suspect with USB being hot-swapable (and SATA also basically) it became tricky...
[15:15] <inetpro> Kilos: pastebin the file again after you have modified it 
[15:15] <Kilos> ok sec
[15:15] <inetpro> Kilos: is it a drive that connects via USB?
[15:17] <Kilos> must it not have # space to start the new line
[15:17] <Kilos> no its a partition on my 80g
[15:17] <Kilos> i havent saved it yet
[15:18] <Kilos> http://slexy.org/view/s21pTSwnoJ
[15:23] <Kilos> had this uuid prob before with swap when i had karmic and maverick and each had their own swap and i deleted them and made only one larger one
[15:27] <inetpro> Kilos: sorry... got interrupted
[15:27] <Kilos> np
[15:27] <inetpro> that file looks sharp
[15:27] <inetpro> now try mounting and unmounting manually like this
[15:27] <inetpro> umount /dev/sda8
[15:27] <inetpro> oops
[15:27] <inetpro> sudo umount /dev/sda8
[15:28] <inetpro> and then: sudo mount /dev/sda8
[15:28] <inetpro> that should unmount and mount without erroros
[15:29] <inetpro> or even just sudo umount /storage
[15:30] <inetpro> I don't think you have to worry to much about the UUID in your case
[15:30] <Kilos> never gave any error messages
[15:30] <Kilos> thanks alot guys
[15:30] <inetpro> Kilos: test and see whether you can browse files and folders
[15:30] <Kilos> dankie inetpro 
[15:30] <inetpro> and then do a reboot
[15:30] <Kilos> ok
[15:31] <Kilos> aw its gone in places
[15:31] <inetpro> what is places?
[15:32] <Kilos> its where home and docs and pics and other drives are seen in gui
[15:32] <Kilos> and downloads
[15:32] <Kilos> i try a reboot
[15:32] <inetpro> hmm... ok
[15:33] <inetpro> nlsthzn: don't assume that I'm a pro because of my nickname... next time I should learn from kilos and register my nick as domdonner
[15:33] <Kilos> hee hee hee
[15:33] <nlsthzn> inetpro, haha...
[15:33] <Kilos> too late
[15:34] <Kilos> nn guys
[15:34] <Kilos> hold thumbs
[15:37] <inetpro> Kilos: wb
[15:37] <Kilos> didnt auto-mount
[15:37] <Kilos> ty
[15:37] <Kilos> cant see it in gui
[15:37] <inetpro> eish, you getting any errors?
[15:38] <Kilos> but the error message is gone when booting
[15:38] <inetpro> can you see it in the filesystem?
[15:38] <inetpro> filesystem / file manager
[15:39] <inetpro> I guess when you say you can't see it you mean you can not see it in places?
[15:39] <inetpro> but I bet it is mounted
[15:39] <Kilos> cant see it anywhere in graphic mode
[15:39] <Kilos> most likely
[15:40] <Kilos> i try ls it
[15:40] <Kilos> ls /storage
[15:40] <Kilos> lol
[15:40] <Kilos> wrong place
[15:40] <inetpro> wromg place?
[15:41] <Kilos> should put ls in terminal
[15:41] <Kilos> it sees it
[15:41] <inetpro> ah
[15:42] <inetpro> who uses places? Perhaps someone who knows it can just help you to add a shortcut there
[15:42] <Kilos> just gnome cant find it now
[15:42] <inetpro> otherwise simply add a soft link on the CLI
[15:42] <Kilos> i think everyone left gnome
[15:42] <inetpro> sudo ln -s /storage ~/storage
[15:43] <inetpro> then you should see it inside the home folder
[15:44] <Kilos> oh ya its there , a folder with an arrow
[15:45] <inetpro> cool
[15:45] <Kilos> ty inetpro 
[15:45] <inetpro> Kilos: it's a pleasure
[15:46] <Kilos> as long as i can open and drag and drop im fine
[15:46] <Kilos> got many gigs of stargate on there
[15:46] <inetpro> superfly: why is it that guys like morgs don't like bzr?
[15:46] <Kilos> its lekker having ian with an uncapped line at work
[15:46] <Kilos> pity he is so far
[15:47] <superfly> inetpro: if I knew, I'd have it all fixed up :-)
[15:47] <inetpro> superfly: I'm assuming they might have been using it when it was not yet stable
[15:47] <superfly> inetpro: perhaps
[15:47] <inetpro> and feature complete
[15:48] <superfly> I've been using it for 2.5 years, and it's been stable and feature complete for me
[15:48] <inetpro> superfly: have you ever used git?
[15:51] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[15:51]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[15:51] <superfly> inetpro: for the last year at work
[15:51] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee for all
[15:51] <Maaz> Come on ya buncha geeks. Rock up with your mugs with the correct amount of sugar added already
[15:51] <inetpro> superfly: hmm... and you prefer bzr?
[15:51] <superfly> and it's been the worst experience of my life
[15:51] <inetpro> ahh
[15:51] <superfly> inetpro: by far
[15:52] <inetpro> superfly: and what about github?
[15:52] <superfly> I haven't used it
[15:53]  * inetpro wants to set up a source code repo for internal use... not sure where I'll find the time
[15:53] <inetpro> but I want something which external parties should be able to drop code as well
[15:54] <inetpro> still need to research a bit before I do anything
[15:55] <Kilos> you guys get the mail about the security breach at linuxfoundation
[15:55] <Kilos> ??
[15:55] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[15:55] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[15:55] <Maaz> Enjoy Kilos
[15:55] <inetpro> Kilos: what mail, any links?
[15:55]  * Kilos sips his coffee on his lonesome
[15:55] <inetpro> Kilos: enjoy
[15:56] <Kilos> only mail 
[15:56] <Kilos> info@linuxfoundation.org
[15:56] <Kilos> advising to change passwords
[15:56] <Kilos> i will paste it
[15:57] <nlsthzn> Kilos, wow... didn't know that linux foundation had been breached... first kernel.org now this...
[15:57] <Kilos> http://slexy.org/view/s21Zf4NMO6
[15:58] <Kilos> bad news that
[15:58]  * inetpro schecks out http://www.linuxfoundation.org/
[15:58] <Kilos> i have tried to use the same password everywhere
[15:58] <nlsthzn> Kilos, that is very bad practice
[15:59] <inetpro> eish!
[15:59] <nlsthzn> some of the less kosher types bet on that...
[15:59] <Kilos> i cant member a whole pile of different passwords as well as sudo chow
[15:59] <Kilos> hehe
[16:00] <nlsthzn> :) that is why I use keepassx... I remember one password for it and it remembers everything else :)
[16:01] <Kilos> i got nothing they can steal, only dont want pc to be crashed or passwords changed by the bad guys
[16:02] <Kilos> late ians girlfriend had her maill password changed and coudnt get into it or facebook etc because of it
[16:02] <nlsthzn> Problem is... in this day in age, they get a password in linuxfoundation... then they compromise something else... from there e-mail, from there bank... they are clever that way
[16:04] <Kilos> yeah there are bad peeps out there
[16:05] <Kilos> or your pc sends spam all over without your knowledge
[16:05] <Kilos> thats why i watch data use frequently
[16:06] <Kilos> since i rebooted i have used only 175k
[16:06] <Kilos> yo drubin you still alive
[16:15] <Kilos> hehe
[16:15] <Kilos> dankie vir die twitter boodskappe inetpro 
[16:16] <Kilos> is corrie ook oor na die vyand of hou twitter hom net te besig om hier te kom kuier
[16:19] <inetpro> Kilos: ek dink hy is maar besig
[16:20] <Kilos> ek hoop regtig so
[16:30] <Kilos> lol inetpro why you tell corrie to start from the bottom up
[16:30] <Kilos> ha ha
[16:30] <Kilos> he isnt so patient
[16:31] <Kilos> this is quite lekker i getting twitter in mail
[16:31] <Kilos> first time ever
[16:31] <Kilos> now i will know when you okes skinner about me
[17:07] <magespawn> hi all
[17:07] <Kilos> hi magespawn 
[17:08] <magespawn> just read your blog, think it was yours
[17:09] <inetpro> magespawn: what do you think, it's quite a story?
[17:11] <Kilos> wow its near 2 years old
[17:11] <Kilos> i think
[17:12] <Kilos> you very patient hey
[17:12] <magespawn> sounds like it. i thimk i read awhile back too.
[17:12] <Kilos> amateur rantings
[17:14] <magespawn> not that bad
[17:14] <magespawn> at least as good as mine
[17:14] <inetpro> Kilos: when is Tara performing again?
[17:14] <cocooncrash> inetpro: So that it still works if the device name changes
[17:15] <inetpro> cocooncrash: when would that happen?
[17:15] <Kilos> they had the second part the next day
[17:15] <inetpro> Kilos: why did we not see that?
[17:15] <Kilos> but showed bits and pieces of all the contestants
[17:16] <Kilos> she didnt download and send to you tube
[17:16] <cocooncrash> inetpro: Reorganising partitions, having multiple drives, virtual machine hypervisor settings
[17:16] <inetpro> Kilos: has it been aired on TV yet?
[17:16] <Kilos> was too busy on fb twitter aim msn and dunno where else
[17:17] <Kilos> yes was the next day there i think no no week later
[17:17] <Kilos> magespawn, link to your blog
[17:17] <magespawn> hold not sure lol
[17:18] <inetpro> cocooncrash: hmm...
[17:18] <cocooncrash> inetpro: Upgrading the OS even.
[17:19] <inetpro> ok
[17:19] <magespawn> kilos, it is listed on my website www.gandcnet.com left hand side called Bushwaters
[17:20] <Kilos> no man text only places
[17:22] <Kilos> some sites are like fb. they eat data
[17:22] <magespawn> say what, kilos?
[17:22] <Kilos> lol
[17:22] <magespawn> this one should not almost nothing there.
[17:22] <Kilos> like my site. i dont even go there anymore
[17:22] <Kilos> hehe
[17:22] <Kilos> oh ok
[17:23] <Kilos> i go see
[17:23] <magespawn> no worries
[17:28] <inetpro> cocooncrash: how does the backend read the UUID from disk? Is it stored in the partition table?
[17:36] <cocooncrash> inetpro: It's the filesystem UUID
[17:36] <inetpro> Kilos: ok I just found that we could have found the correct UUID with 'blkid /dev/sda8'
[17:36] <cocooncrash> inetpro: ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid
[17:36] <inetpro> cocooncrash: why would he have had an error mounting it?
[17:36] <cocooncrash> inetpro: Dunno, didn't look at that
[17:37] <Kilos> yeah we used that to find that it was different to the cat command
[17:38] <Kilos> blkid /dev/sda8 gives no output
[17:38] <inetpro> Kilos: sudo
[17:38] <Kilos> oh i try sudo it
[17:38] <Kilos> hehe
[17:38] <inetpro> clearly there was a mismatch somewhere
[17:39] <cocooncrash> inetpro: Did he reformat it?
[17:39] <Kilos> now it shows the correct uuid
[17:39] <inetpro> Kilos: your fstab refers to UUID=8dec497d-6b55-46c8-abcb-185ca9398a72 while ls -l revealed 9f72a224-0740-43aa-b318-9bd2eef6d25f
[17:39] <inetpro> so changing that line to the correct UUID would have worked
[17:40] <inetpro> the real question to me is why would it have changed
[17:40] <Kilos> i did a clean install cocooncrash  and left 40 as freespace because i didnt see how to mount as /storage
[17:40] <inetpro> cocooncrash: http://slexy.org/view/s2kFwB3d8P <-- that is Kilos fstab at the bottom
[17:40] <Kilos> so i used gparted from another drive and made it /storage
[17:41] <Kilos> then put this drive as first drive again
[17:41] <inetpro> Kilos: you formated and recreated that partition afresh?
[17:42] <cocooncrash> inetpro: The only reason a UUID should change is if it is reformatted.
[17:42] <inetpro> ok
[17:42] <Kilos> yip the whole drive is now in /, /boot, /home. and /storage
[17:42] <inetpro> cocooncrash: thanks for the clarification
[17:43] <Kilos> ty cocooncrash 
[17:44] <Kilos> i formatted the /storage when making it /storage from the other drive
[17:44] <Kilos> maybe in future i wont format unneccesarily
[17:47] <inetpro> Kilos: next time we must just remember to read the UUID simply with blkid <device>
[17:47] <inetpro> it's output also indicates the file system
[17:47] <inetpro> very useful
[17:49] <Kilos> ah ok
[17:50] <Kilos> will it now show in places again
[17:50] <Kilos> hehe
[17:50] <inetpro> Kilos: don't ask me about places
[17:50] <Kilos> lol
[17:50] <magespawn> what would put in <device>, the drive?
[17:51] <inetpro> magespawn: sudo blkid /dev/sda1
[17:51] <inetpro> or as in Kilos's case sda8
[17:52] <magespawn> i see
[17:52] <magespawn> so i could us it on my phone for the memory card then.
[17:53] <inetpro> magespawn: hmm... try it
[17:53] <magespawn> brb
[17:53] <inetpro> UUID stands for Universally Unique IDentifier
[17:53] <magespawn> i see
[17:53] <inetpro> UUID should thus be unique until its formatted again
[17:54] <magespawn> not sure how to find where the mmc is mounted
[17:54] <inetpro> magespawn: sudo fdisk -l
[17:54] <inetpro> iirc
[17:55] <inetpro> or if it's mounted already just type mount
[17:57] <magespawn>  mounted at /dev/mmcblk0p2
[17:58] <magespawn> also tells file system type
[17:59] <Kilos> you stay in a beautiful little town magespawn . i enjoyed your blog. ty note i steared away from politics
[18:00] <magespawn> kilos yeah i do, thanks. i try to stay away from politics but i have no brain/mouth filter
[18:00] <Kilos> lol
[18:01] <magespawn> inetpro you cannot us sudo on n900 have to have busybox or similar 
[18:02] <inetpro> hmm
[18:02] <magespawn> sudo is there but requests password which i did not set and could not find
[18:04] <inetpro> magespawn: sudo needs your password
[18:04] <inetpro> that is unless you are not the first user
[18:05] <magespawn> but which one? 
[18:05] <magespawn> i am the first
[18:05] <inetpro> magespawn: you using ubuntu?
[18:05] <magespawn> no this is on my phone 
[18:05] <inetpro> ahh
[18:06] <inetpro> magespawn: ask superfly
[18:06] <magespawn> will do
[18:06] <superfly> magespawn: you need to install "root" or something like that
[18:06] <inetpro> superfly: can you do stuff on your n900 with root privilidges?
[18:06]  * superfly cant'
[18:06] <superfly> *can't remember the package name
[18:07] <Tonberry> gainroot
[18:07] <Tonberry> iirc
[18:07] <magespawn> i am using Busybox
[18:07] <magespawn> that works too
[18:08] <superfly> magespawn: rootsh is the package name
[18:08] <magespawn> with Busybox open xterminal type root which loads the box then every command you is root
[18:08] <superfly> magespawn: yep, that's the one
[18:09] <magespawn> yes. i installed nitdroid for awhile
[18:12] <magespawn> rootsh is depreciated
[18:13] <magespawn> you can use root or sudo gainroot get a different prompt depending which one you use
[18:22] <Kilos> aw
[18:22] <Kilos> oh my 
[18:23] <Kilos> usb modem just went red for a while then came back at 93% strength
[18:23] <Kilos> voda getting better here
[18:25] <Kilos> thats something i missed on natty classsic. couldnt hover cursor mover nm and see signal strength
[18:30] <Kilos> bbl
[18:41] <superfly> magespawn: do you mean deprecated?
[18:42] <superfly> depreciated is what happens to assets after 5 years in accounting
[18:42] <superfly> well, not after 5 years, in the course of 5 years
[18:49] <magespawn> hey i am typing on aphone here
[18:49] <Kilos> lol
[18:56] <magespawn> superfly how do you know about accounting anyway?
[18:57] <superfly> magespawn: I did 4 years of it at school
[18:58] <superfly> I had to take computer studies as a 7th subject, because it was taught externally, so I needed a fill-in subject, and acount was boring, but easy
[18:58] <superfly> *accounting
[18:59] <magespawn> yay what fun. 
[19:00] <superfly> didn't study a stitch for it through 8, 9 and matric, and got a steady C for it... like I said, boring, but easy
[19:00] <magespawn> i was thinking the other day it would be very cool to find out every ones history a detailed bio or something
[19:01] <magespawn> thats scary.
[19:01] <superfly> magespawn: what, that I found accounting easy?
[19:02] <magespawn> no study and c all the way.
[19:03] <superfly> magespawn: it's not difficult, the stuff you learn in Std 6 and 7 remains the same the whole way through school, you just learn how it differs between different company types in 8, 9 and matric
[19:04] <magespawn> i see school was awhile ago for me and never did accounting
[19:05] <superfly> magespawn: when did you matriculate?
[19:05] <magespawn> 93
[19:06] <superfly> ah, OK, I matriculated in 98
[19:07] <magespawn> i was also not a particularly applied student.
[19:09] <magespawn> i was a nature student at school despite being interested in tech
[19:13] <magespawn> inetpro any news about the hack at the linux foundation?
[19:14] <inetpro> magespawn: am not sure, but I guess these things take time to investigate
[19:15] <inetpro> *to investigate thoroughly 
[19:15] <magespawn> so no idea who is behind it?
[19:16] <inetpro> magespawn: I would not know at this stage
[19:17]  * inetpro has not seen any further articles about the hack
[19:19] <magespawn> was wondering if it might be one of these 'hacker' groups.
[19:19] <inetpro> magespawn: these 'hacker' groups?
[19:22] <magespawn> annoymous and whats the other one (spelling is bad)
[19:22] <magespawn> lulzec or something like that.
[19:26] <inetpro> magespawn: hopefully we will find out soon and hopefully we will be able to learn a bit more about securing linux systems again
[19:30] <magespawn> always good to learn.
[19:34] <inetpro> magespawn: it's very likely that it was just a human error that allowed some stuffs through the gates
[19:34] <superfly> I do suspect that there is some cracker contingent who are dissatisfied with the amount of press that Linux is getting at the moment... after all, why would they go after the most high-profile Linux sites?
[19:34] <magespawn> inetpro well still good to know
[19:35] <inetpro> magespawn: sure
[19:36] <magespawn> wonder if there will be group/s who oppose these crackers? internet vigilanties?
[19:37]  * Kilos is sure billy is paying for this
[19:39] <Kilos> dreading to hear someone say
[19:39] <Kilos> Oh how the mighty have fallen
[19:45] <magespawn> later all
[19:46] <inetpro> Kilos: break-ins like these are nothing new, it's just very troubling that they cracked the big guns
[19:47] <Kilos> yeah. frightening hey
[19:47] <Kilos> but nothing was said about what actually happened
[19:47] <Kilos> maybe even with inside help
[19:48] <inetpro> Kilos: they are still investigating
[19:48] <Kilos> money talks
[19:56] <Kilos> i dont even know what ssh keys are
[20:12] <inetpro> Kilos: man ssh
[20:13] <Kilos> ah ty keep forgetting man
[20:15] <Kilos> i go crash now peeps. Sleep tight and rest well. the new weeks is hours away
[20:16] <Kilos> week/weeks
[20:16] <Kilos> grrr
[20:29] <inetpro> interesting that www.linuxfoundation.org now moved from Apache to nginx according to http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.linuxfoundation.org