[15:50] <knome> pleia2, humm, there isn't any update on the website review i assume?
[16:15] <charlie-tca> Good Morning
[16:16] <charlie-tca> Meeting today at 22:00 UTC
[17:36] <highvoltage> wow @ xubuntu 11.10 so far
[17:37] <charlie-tca> Thank you
[18:29] <pleia2> knome: no, no update, it'll probably take a little while
[18:30] <knome> yeah.
[19:19] <Olbi> hello :)
[19:21] <Olbi> I have question, how I can change app gnome-system-monitor in 1 tab, which show name of desktop? There is Gnome 2.32.1 and I want to saw Xfce 4.8.x :)
[19:24] <Olbi> cause task manager isnt so cool, like gnome-system-monitor
[19:25] <micahg> I think that's just showing its own version
[20:02] <Pjotr> mr_pouit: I think upstream Xfce is cooperating well on the matter of getting new translations downstream (Xubuntu)
[20:02] <Pjotr> so I'm glad :-)
[20:03] <Pjotr> upstream has promised new releases of 10 packages this week, for the sake of the translations only
[20:03] <Pjotr> will that be in time for Xubuntu 11.10?
[21:31] <charlie-tca> Xubuntu community meeting in #xubuntu-devel in 30 minutes. Everyone is invited to attend. Agenda is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings
[21:39] <knome> charlie-tca, see, i'm here ;)
[21:39] <charlie-tca> yay
[21:39] <knome> charlie-tca, the message soon enough really does make a difference
[21:39] <knome> i had the meeting time written down on paper
[21:41] <charlie-tca> The next meeting is in the topic, announced at every meeting, and on the wiki.
[21:41] <charlie-tca> That really should be enough
[21:41] <charlie-tca> It is also always in the minutes
[21:41] <knome> as i said, if you use irssi, reading topic isn't really something you do constantly :)
[21:42] <madnick> haha true, i dont get why its not 2x chars heigh :(
[21:42] <knome> madnick, well that's themable...
[21:42] <madnick> in perl :(
[21:42] <knome> madnick, but it should be more like 3 or 4, if you would like to be able to see the topic
[21:43] <knome> madnick, what's wrong with perl?
[21:43] <madnick> Its not whats wrong with Perl, its more about whats not wrong with Python :P
[21:45] <knome> where's the awesome CLI IRC-client written in Python?
[21:45] <charlie-tca> Isn't that called "weechat"?
[21:45] <knome> no idea
[21:46] <madnick> Well
[21:46] <madnick> Irssi is not written in Perl, its just scriptable with perl
[21:46] <knome> yeah
[21:46] <charlie-tca> weechat runs in terminal, is scriptable with most languages...
[21:47] <knome> i wonder if it brings something new compared to irssi in addition to that
[21:48] <madnick> I sorta want an IRC client, thats graphical, but emulates an old video terminal :)
[21:49] <knome> what you actually should do, is write an irssi script that shows the sections of the topic (separated by |) one by one, redrawing the terminal after n seconds with the next section
[21:53] <micahg> mr_pouit: for the xfce4-dev-tools multiarch changes, do we need to rebuild all the rdepends?
[21:59] <mr_pouit> hey
[21:59] <mr_pouit> micahg: there should be new bugfix releases coming next week, so it can wait
[21:59] <micahg> orly?  so I should off on the syncs and merges?
[22:00] <mr_pouit> no, you can do them, but no hurry for the rebuilds
[22:00] <micahg> ok, I just figure that I'll be asked when I file the FFe
[22:01] <mr_pouit> (I'm not even sure anyone is interested it in multiarch for xfce right now)
[22:01] <mr_pouit> s/it//
[22:01] <charlie-tca> But don't we gain it from Ubuntu?
[22:02] <charlie-tca> Let's have a meeting, too
[22:02] <charlie-tca> #startmeeting Xubuntu
[22:02] <meetingology> Meeting started Sun Sep 11 22:02:40 2011 UTC.  The chair is charlie-tca. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot.
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[22:03] <charlie-tca> [TOPIC] Agenda for today's meeting:
[22:03] <charlie-tca> #topic Agenda for today's meeting:
[22:03] <charlie-tca> Oh goody
[22:03] <charlie-tca> * Old business
[22:03] <charlie-tca> * Team updates
[22:04] <charlie-tca>   * Packaging & Development
[22:04] <charlie-tca>   * Bug Triage & Testing
[22:04] <charlie-tca>   * Website & Marketing
[22:04] <charlie-tca>   * Artwork
[22:04] <charlie-tca>   * Documentation
[22:04] <charlie-tca> * Announcements
[22:04] <charlie-tca> * Governance structure
[22:04] <charlie-tca> * Any Other Business
[22:04] <charlie-tca> Reminder:   please use ".." on separate line when you've finished typing.   If someone wants to comment during the updates, please "o/", so we know to wait.
[22:05] <charlie-tca> The agenda is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings
[22:05] <charlie-tca> [TOPIC] [22:05] <charlie-tca>  * charlie-tca to get FFe filed for xubuntu-meta to add blueman to seeds
[22:05] <micahg> o/
[22:05] <charlie-tca> With this, I notified the release manager we will need FFe's to get this done, and they will be accepted
[22:06] <charlie-tca> go ahead, micahg 
[22:06] <micahg> are we sure we need this?  bluetooth seemed to work fine, but I have to verify it again after I restore a more default configuration on my armel laptop
[22:07] <micahg> ..
[22:07] <charlie-tca> If you can verify it works without gnome-control-center, we don't need blueman
[22:08] <micahg> ok, will keep you advised
[22:08] <charlie-tca> yes, we will, because blueman can take the place of gnome-control-center which causes a crash report if it is not installed and bluetooth is clicked when you have no devices
[22:08] <mr_pouit> I think it works, except that you're unable to configure it
[22:08] <charlie-tca> So, for configuration purposes, we need blueman
[22:09] <micahg> I still seemed able to configure with the indicator
[22:09] <micahg> but I might have had some extra packages installed
[22:09] <charlie-tca> yup
[22:09] <charlie-tca> Please do verify if it works without g-c-c
[22:10] <charlie-tca> [TOPIC] [22:10] <charlie-tca> [TOPIC] [22:10] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: your turn, sir
[22:11] <mr_pouit> uploaded some bugfix for xfce4-session, xfdesktop4, xfce4-indicator-plugin; fixed build failure of tumbler; fixed plymouth script for xubuntu-logo.
[22:11] <mr_pouit> oh, xterm/uxterm was hidden from the menu also
[22:12] <mr_pouit> (some memleak fixes for ristretto)
[22:12] <mr_pouit> and micahg has been investiguating bluetooth and some recents debian uploads (if/which ones we need to sync)1
[22:12] <mr_pouit> investigating?
[22:12] <mr_pouit> meh
[22:12] <mr_pouit> ..
[22:12] <charlie-tca> You been busy again! Thank you very much for your hard work.
[22:12] <micahg> o/
[22:13] <charlie-tca> Thank you, micahg also. It is very much appreciated
[22:13] <charlie-tca> go ahead, micahg 
[22:13] <micahg> maco fixed the printer dialog issue
[22:13] <micahg> ..
[22:13] <charlie-tca> Yes! and it works, too
[22:13] <mr_pouit> (indeed, sorry, I forgot this one too)
[22:14] <charlie-tca> as to syncs, I hear Dutch translations are being pushed out by Xfce, so if possible, we want those
[22:14] <micahg> yep, will keep an eye out, Thu Sep 29 is final freeze for images though
[22:14] <charlie-tca> There are supposed to be at least 10 packages upgraded this week
[22:15] <charlie-tca> Sept 15 is beta2 freeze
[22:15] <mr_pouit> yeah, I told Pjotr to see upstream for the translations, and he pushed a bit Nick, so we might have new bugfix releases in the next few days
[22:15] <charlie-tca> May as well get them in.
[22:16] <charlie-tca> They are planning to push the latest gnome upgrades in on Sept 19
[22:16] <charlie-tca> [TOPIC] [22:16] <micahg> so, right after beta 2 would probably be the time to land those new upstreams
[22:16] <charlie-tca> no, if we can, we need them in beta2 to get them tested as much as we can
[22:16] <micahg> freeze for that is thursday :)
[22:17] <charlie-tca> yup
[22:17] <charlie-tca> Testing is hit and miss this week
[22:18] <charlie-tca> With the gnome upgrades coming in, we need to hit the images hard to make sure they work
[22:18] <charlie-tca> All tests need to be done this week, and again Saturday/Sunday.
[22:18] <charlie-tca> If gnome breaks things, we will revert to the last working images for Beta2
[22:19] <charlie-tca> Seeing quite a few bugs coming in, we picked up a couple more bug reporters with beta1
[22:19] <charlie-tca> Any questions?
[22:20] <charlie-tca> [TOPIC] [22:20] <charlie-tca> pleia2, knome : any updates?
[22:20] <knome> pending on canonical IS
[22:20] <charlie-tca> I know it is waiting for IS now, too.
[22:21] <knome> yeah, nothing else happening now
[22:21] <charlie-tca> knome: thank you for the updated logos
[22:21] <charlie-tca> We got them into beta1, even!
[22:21] <knome> np
[22:21] <knome> good to hear that
[22:21] <knome> they are fine?
[22:21] <charlie-tca> They are from my view, yes
[22:21] <knome> good
[22:22] <charlie-tca> [TOPIC] [22:22] <charlie-tca> ochosi, madnick : Any news?
[22:23] <madnick> I dont have any
[22:23] <knome> probably no updates then, haven't seen ochosi much lately
[22:23] <charlie-tca> We are looking very good right now. Artwork is in good shape, and people are happy with what they see.
[22:23] <charlie-tca> [TOPIC] [22:23] <mr_pouit> (Lightdm greeter theme might come, maybe)
[22:24] <charlie-tca> That would be great if we can make it happen.
[22:24] <charlie-tca> I do have the bug yet, and am still pushing
[22:24] <charlie-tca>  * The next meeting will be on Monday, 2011-09-19 at 19:00 UTC
[22:24] <charlie-tca>  * Important dates coming up:
[22:24] <charlie-tca>   * We are now in UI Freeze
[22:24] <charlie-tca>   * 11.10 Beta2 freeze: September 15
[22:24] <charlie-tca>   * 11.10 Beta2: September 2
[22:24] <charlie-tca>   * 11.10 Release Date: October 13, 2011
[22:24] <charlie-tca>  * We need to update the Team Reports this week.
[22:24] <charlie-tca>  * gnome updates will be dropped on September 19. Since that is so close to beta2, it is vital we get the images on the 17th and 18th. If the upgrade to gnome makes the images unusable, we will use the last known good image.
[22:24] <charlie-tca> We really need to be on top of the testing this week, please!
[22:25] <charlie-tca> [TOPIC] [22:25] <charlie-tca> This is a good time to bring up any thing you want to discuss...
[22:25] <charlie-tca> Are there any questions?
[22:26] <charlie-tca> going once...
[22:26] <micahg> o/
[22:26] <charlie-tca> go ahead, micahg 
[22:26] <micahg> just an FYI, the final Firefox and Thunderbird builds for oneiric will be landing after beta 2 due to the upstream schedule
[22:26] <micahg> We'll be shipping version 7 of each
[22:26] <micahg> ..
[22:27] <charlie-tca> Very minimal chance of breaking things, right?
[22:27] <micahg> yep
[22:27] <micahg> we'll have the final beta for beta 2
[22:27] <charlie-tca> Kind of scared of the gnome upgrades, myself
[22:27] <charlie-tca> going... 2
[22:28] <charlie-tca> Thank you all for participating in the meeting. It is always great to see so many interested in shaping Xubuntu, as a project!@
[22:28] <micahg> o/
[22:28] <charlie-tca> Go ahead
[22:28] <micahg> heh, about the e-mail WRT the linkedin group, is that something the project wants?
[22:28] <micahg> ..
[22:29] <charlie-tca> I answered that I don't use it, any one have an opinion on it?
[22:29]  * micahg uses linkedin, it's nice for networking
[22:30] <charlie-tca> seems to be a very limited thing :(
[22:30] <knome> why would one need Xubuntu *Users* in linkedin?
[22:30] <mr_pouit> I've an account there as well, but I don't go there very often...
[22:30] <charlie-tca> The email was to devel only, I thing
[22:31] <charlie-tca> The email was to devel only, I think
[22:31] <knome> but it was about users group
[22:31] <knome> in linkedin
[22:31] <knome> and the guy asked for official approval
[22:31] <micahg> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2011-September/007970.html
[22:31] <knome> can anyone of us even give that?
[22:31]  * micahg would think that's up to charlie-tca as project lead
[22:32] <charlie-tca> What do you call groups in linedin? I suspect the "users group" is a generic term there
[22:32] <micahg> you can have a group for anything you want
[22:32] <knome> but, he asks "to be recognized by *Canonical*"
[22:32] <mr_pouit> shouldn't we forward it to $random community manager?
[22:32] <micahg> it's a way to network, ask questions
[22:32] <knome> which i think is correct
[22:32] <mr_pouit> (jono? jcastro?)
[22:32] <knome> they need to ask Canonical
[22:32] <knome> jono prolly
[22:32] <micahg> why? xubuntu's a community project
[22:32] <charlie-tca> Um, Canonical is not involved in Xubuntu, but I will go hunt down either jono or jorge and ask them about it
[22:33] <knome> what i'm kind of thinking is
[22:33] <knome> who is administrating the group?
[22:33] <charlie-tca> I don't believe Canonical will care either way, other than use of trademarks
[22:33] <mr_pouit> yeah, but canonical owns *buntu trademarks, so maybe they want to administer the linkedin group?
[22:33] <knome> if it's an official, canonical/xubuntu recognized group, shouldn't one of them/us be the admin?
[22:33] <charlie-tca> I can ask
[22:34] <micahg> it would probable be an open group anyways
[22:34] <knome> i'm not on linkedin myself, so i don't know much about the system
[22:34] <knome> micahg, but the admin can change it to closed anyday, and make some unwanted changes there?
[22:34] <charlie-tca> and if we are not members on linkedin, we can't actually be admins there either
[22:34] <knome> micahg, and he'd get all of the joined people in a puddle of mud?
[22:35] <knome> charlie-tca, exactly.
[22:35] <knome> charlie-tca, that's another reason why jono/jcastro might come in handy. :)
[22:35] <micahg> well, then the users of the group would be notified and have the option to leave
[22:35] <knome> micahg, well of course, but that would still be bad for xubuntu, in a way
[22:35] <charlie-tca> I expect it is similar to a group on indenti.ca, twitter, facebook, etc
[22:36] <micahg> yup
[22:36] <knome> imo, any group that is called "official", should be something that a xubuntu developer is an admin in
[22:36] <charlie-tca> The only difference is this person dared to ask for permission
[22:36]  * micahg could be an admin if charlie-tca wanted
[22:36] <knome> charlie-tca, yeah, that makes it "official" :)
[22:36] <charlie-tca> I will bring the discussion up to jono or jorge and get a reading
[22:37] <charlie-tca> Any thing else to discuss?
[22:37] <knome> yeah, let's ask jono &/ jorge first :)
[22:37] <charlie-tca> Let's go to work
[22:37] <charlie-tca> #endmeeting
[22:37] <meetingology> Meeting ended Sun Sep 11 22:37:28 2011 UTC.  
[22:37] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2011/xubuntu-devel.2011-09-11-22.02.moin.txt
[22:37] <charlie-tca> Hope the topics are working today
[22:38] <micahg> charlie-tca: doesn't look like it
[22:38] <micahg> well, they  show up as headers, but nothing under them
[22:39] <knome> should there be? no "#action" or anything was raised
[22:39] <charlie-tca> Yeah, that's all they been doing. You have to put a different # thing to get anything there
[22:39] <charlie-tca> At least it does record them
[22:40] <charlie-tca> I don't like this "no feedback" thing
[22:40] <micahg> charlie-tca: maybe tried #topic instead of [TOPIC]
[22:41] <charlie-tca> I did, with the first one
[22:41] <knome> micahg, he did, that worked
[22:41] <micahg> ah
[22:41] <charlie-tca> It still doesn't give any feedback, so if the bot is broken, you don't know it
[22:41] <knome> just needs more attention during the meeting
[22:42] <charlie-tca> But I have to find what to use to put the main points under the topics, so we can just paste the minutes up, without changing them at all
[22:43] <knome> charlie-tca, asked AlanBell on #ubuntu-ops-team
[22:43] <charlie-tca> I have already
[22:44] <charlie-tca> He thinks less feedback is great
[22:44] <knome> i'm sure there could be a switch
[22:53] <GridCube> the meeting is over =
[22:53] <GridCube> ?
[22:53] <knome> yes
[22:54] <GridCube> :(
[22:54] <GridCube> i forgot
[22:55] <charlie-tca> No problem. We will have one next week, on Sept 19 at 19:00 UTC
[22:56] <charlie-tca> GridCube: test this week, if you can
[22:56] <charlie-tca> Need as many tests as we can get 
[22:56] <GridCube> :( im at school at that hours
[22:56] <GridCube> i did a test yesterday night, or the night before
[22:56] <charlie-tca> any hours
[22:57] <charlie-tca> I saw that. We have to test the images all week this week, including Saturday and Sunday
[22:57] <GridCube> i was really pleased to see the new grub logo :D
[22:57] <charlie-tca> Need to know they work
[22:57] <GridCube> will try to do so mister
[23:59] <charlie-tca> hm, as different as unity and gnome3 are, I suppose Ubuntu channels won't be able to help Xubuntu users much longer