| dacresni | is there a software update button in Muon? | 01:47 |
|---|---|---|
| ScottK | Lovely. | 01:55 |
| ScottK | Sorry, wrong channel. | 01:56 |
| micahg | ScottK: heh, turnabout's fair play, you posted the other qt4-x11 thing in the security channel | 02:05 |
| ScottK | Yep. | 02:06 |
| dacresni | should I ask taht question again / | 02:09 |
| dacresni | thats | 02:09 |
| dacresni | ? | 02:09 |
| ScottK | dacresni: Use support questions should be asked in #kubuntu. | 02:11 |
| dacresni | oh ok, i thought here becaues its in Oneric not in Natty | 02:11 |
| ScottK | No. Sorry. | 02:12 |
| dacresni | ok. well heres another question, If I signed up as an ISO tester, and I put my input in already that it boots on mac already, is there anything esle I should say ? | 02:15 |
| ScottK | No. ISO testing is mostly about either it passes or filing bugs if there are problems. | 02:25 |
| === DWonderly is now known as DarkwingDuck | ||
| ScottK | Looks like progress on getting the alternates back in shape size wise. | 05:30 |
| ScottK | debfx: I think there's a problem with your ISO comparison script. It shows libllvm2.9 is the biggest size gain, but it's on both the beta and current images with the same version. | 05:45 |
| ScottK | apachelogger: Do we want to remove phonon-backend-xine? | 05:53 |
| === agateau_ is now known as agateau | ||
| bambee | morning | 08:09 |
| debfx | ScottK: it compares the current to the natty final images | 08:38 |
| agateau | morning! | 09:03 |
| agateau | anyone up for packaging a new release of plasma-widget-menubar? | 09:03 |
| apachelogger | ScottK: yes, we want to remove phonon-backend-xine | 09:25 |
| apachelogger | bambee: fancy packaging a new release of plasma-widget-menubar? ^^ | 09:27 |
| apachelogger | agateau: does it have new features? | 09:28 |
| bambee | apachelogger: sure | 09:28 |
| agateau | apachelogger: no, it is only bug fixes | 09:28 |
| bambee | agateau: I can pack it | 09:28 |
| agateau | apachelogger: well... it gained the ability to show a "..." menu item if the menubar is too large, but that was done to fix a bug | 09:28 |
| agateau | bambee: great! | 09:29 |
| apachelogger | bambee: poke me when you are done, we'll probably not need a FFe to sneak that one in ^^ | 09:29 |
| bambee | apachelogger: ok | 09:29 |
| apachelogger | debfx: your quassel upload is not in bzr it seems | 09:32 |
| === ejat- is now known as ejat | ||
| apachelogger | debfx: what I do not get, what is the gain from removing a broken feature rather than fixing it? | 09:34 |
| bambee | apachelogger: done | 09:46 |
| bambee | apachelogger: also, we could upload these package rules to lp:~kubuntu-packagers... imo | 09:46 |
| apachelogger | sure, why not | 09:49 |
| bambee | apachelogger: where do I upload it ? | 09:50 |
| apachelogger | maco: https://code.launchpad.net/~apachelogger/ubiquity/fix-743062 | 09:53 |
| apachelogger | bambee: revu or send me a diff | 09:53 |
| bambee | ok revu | 09:53 |
| apachelogger | bambee: btw, you really need to be more pressing when you have something on revu | 09:58 |
| apachelogger | debfx, Quintasan_, yofel_: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/touchegg-gui plz revu | 09:58 |
| bambee | apachelogger: it's already revu xD | 09:59 |
| bambee | reviewed * | 09:59 |
| apachelogger | you need 2 reviews | 09:59 |
| bambee | Quintasan_ and you already reviewed it, and the FFe has been accepted since a while now... | 09:59 |
| apachelogger | only updates can go with one review | 09:59 |
| apachelogger | new packages should have *at least* 2 | 09:59 |
| bambee | I am pretty sure that Quintasan_ has reviewed it... however I am not 100% sure :\ | 10:00 |
| apachelogger | no comment means not reviewed | 10:00 |
| bambee | apachelogger: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/plasma-widget-menubar | 10:01 |
| apachelogger | +Vcs-Bzr: https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/plasma-widget-menubar | 10:03 |
| apachelogger | plz use lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/plasma-widget-menubar | 10:03 |
| apachelogger | !ffe | 10:04 |
| ubottu | Feature Freeze Exception. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess for the freeze exception process. | 10:04 |
| apachelogger | * New upstream release | 10:05 |
| apachelogger | - Add kubuntu_01_disable_tests.diff to disable failing tests | 10:05 |
| apachelogger | wtf | 10:05 |
| apachelogger | agateau: do your tests depend on an X session? | 10:05 |
| bambee | Vcs-Bzr fixed | 10:06 |
| agateau | apachelogger: could be | 10:07 |
| bambee | apachelogger: do we need a FFe or not? you said no few minutes ago... ^^ | 10:07 |
| apachelogger | agateau: kent beck would give you a beating for that :P | 10:08 |
| bambee | and then you asked kubotu about ffe :P | 10:08 |
| apachelogger | bambee: how would I know | 10:08 |
| bambee | o.O | 10:08 |
| * apachelogger will just upload and let someone else find out | 10:08 | |
| agateau | apachelogger: better having unit tests which depend on X than no unit tests | 10:08 |
| debfx | apachelogger: the feature is unused (no bug report despite being broken for several releases), unneeded (if the cert is self-signed it doesn't matter if it's expired) and imho creating a certificate is a generic task so we shouldn't duplicate that functionality into every package that has an SSL server | 10:08 |
| debfx | pushed to bzr now | 10:09 |
| apachelogger | agateau: not as much better as we would like to think :) | 10:09 |
| apachelogger | could not even do CI | 10:09 |
| debfx | but feel free to resurrect it if you wish | 10:09 |
| agateau | apachelogger: Xvfb is your friend | 10:09 |
| apachelogger | agateau: make that part of your test suite then :P | 10:09 |
| apachelogger | debfx: I am reasonable sure I put it there for a good reason | 10:10 |
| apachelogger | particularly since I did not care about the core at all | 10:10 |
| apachelogger | so someone must have pressed me into putting it there | 10:10 |
| apachelogger | bambee: did you testbuild? | 10:11 |
| bambee | apachelogger: yes, I did , as all of my packages :) | 10:11 |
| apachelogger | W: plasma-widget-menubar source: out-of-date-standards-version 3.9.1 (current is 3.9.2) | 10:12 |
| apachelogger | E: plasma-widget-menubar: malformed-deb-archive third member data.tar not data.tar.(gz|bz2|xz) | 10:12 |
| apachelogger | W: plasma-widget-menubar: description-synopsis-starts-with-article | 10:12 |
| bambee | (with pbuilder) | 10:12 |
| apachelogger | :P | 10:12 |
| * apachelogger thinks rekonq hates him | 10:13 | |
| apachelogger | agateau, bambee: .16 uploaded, packaging branch pushed to lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/plasma-widget-menubar | 10:14 |
| agateau | apachelogger: thanks! | 10:14 |
| agateau | bambee: thanks as well! | 10:14 |
| apachelogger | de rien | 10:14 |
| bambee | apachelogger: thanks! | 10:15 |
| bambee | agateau: yw :) | 10:15 |
| apachelogger | du fiacre une damme sort et dit chin caha hu dia ho la | 10:16 |
| * apachelogger sings along to a rather silly song while listening along to ruphy making radio | 10:17 | |
| apachelogger | oh | 10:17 |
| apachelogger | someone broke our status page | 10:17 |
| debfx | apachelogger: looks like the quassel core doesn't accept expired certs, but imho that's a bug. it should be a warning not an error. | 10:19 |
| apachelogger | *shrug* | 10:20 |
| apachelogger | FTR: I still do not give a rats booty about the core :P | 10:20 |
| debfx | Sput: ^ what do you think? | 10:21 |
| apachelogger | hm | 10:21 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libindi/+bug/749820 | 10:21 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 749820 in libindi (Ubuntu) "upstream version 0.7.2 available" [Wishlist,New] | 10:21 |
| apachelogger | you know | 10:21 |
| Sput | debfx: yeah, could be | 10:22 |
| Sput | not sure if we can force Qt to accept invalid certs though | 10:22 |
| agateau | apachelogger: ok, that loosy test I had in plasma-widget-menubar does not require X anymore | 10:23 |
| apachelogger | agateau++ | 10:23 |
| debfx | I hope Qt doesn't reject those when used as local certs | 10:25 |
| Sput | I also have really little time for that now, but I'd apply a patch | 10:25 |
| debfx | ok, I'll do some testing | 10:26 |
| debfx | apachelogger: do you mind if I drop "Kubuntu IRC" from kubuntu_01_default_network_channel.patch and just add #kubuntu to the Freenode channel list? | 10:28 |
| debfx | since there is no such thing as a "Kubuntu IRC" network | 10:28 |
| apachelogger | irc.ubuntu.com | 10:28 |
| debfx | and how is that any different from freenode? | 10:29 |
| apachelogger | branding | 10:29 |
| apachelogger | same question as before slightly adapted: what is the gain in removing non-broken features instead of leaving them there? | 10:30 |
| debfx | right, since when do we do such silly kind of branding? | 10:30 |
| debfx | remove duplication and confusion | 10:30 |
| debfx | e.g. one might think you need to connect to kubuntu irc and freenode to join kubuntu channels and $channel on freenode | 10:33 |
| apachelogger | since either hoary or edgy | 10:34 |
| apachelogger | edgy it was | 10:35 |
| apachelogger | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xchat/+bug/52690 | 10:35 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 52690 in xchat-gnome (Ubuntu) "Please use irc.ubuntu.com alias for default IRC server" [High,Fix released] | 10:35 |
| apachelogger | https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-default-settings/1:6.10-30 | 10:35 |
| apachelogger | jussi: [jussi01] Ask Ubuntu Shop people to include Kubuntu products: INPROGRESS | 10:41 |
| apachelogger | ... | 10:41 |
| apachelogger | any progress? | 10:41 |
| apachelogger | ryanakca_, DarkwingDuck: what is the status of wiki theming? IIRC you already have a ticket with the sysadmins? | 10:47 |
| jussi | apachelogger: yes, waiting on designs from people here. | 10:47 |
| apachelogger | jussi: designs? did you send a mail to -devel about that? | 10:47 |
| jussi | apachelogger: I spoke about it here, and have now sent mail to the list :) | 10:54 |
| apachelogger | awesome | 10:55 |
| ScottK | debfx: Ah. OK. Can it be made to compare to Beta 1? | 11:11 |
| Riddell | bug 846709 is nasty | 11:16 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 846709 in amarok (Ubuntu) "amarok crash after 4sec of play" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/846709 | 11:16 |
| === frederik_ is now known as fregl | ||
| * rbelem pokes ScottK | 12:08 | |
| rbelem | :-) | 12:09 |
| ScottK | rbelem: poke back. | 12:57 |
| rbelem | ScottK, heya :-) | 12:58 |
| rbelem | ScottK, how is the runtime thing? | 12:58 |
| ScottK | Still broken. | 12:58 |
| rbelem | :-/ | 12:58 |
| rbelem | ScottK, do you know a possible solution for that? | 12:59 |
| ScottK | I thought the last one would work ... | 12:59 |
| ScottK | I haven't had a chance to look again. | 12:59 |
| rbelem | ScottK, if you need something from me, poke me :-) | 13:01 |
| debfx | ScottK: the problem is that I can't query the size of packages from the beta cd | 13:03 |
| debfx | well I could but I'd have to use the lp api | 13:03 |
| ScottK | debfx: OK. Thanks. It's incredibly useful as is. | 13:15 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: package has been fixed already | 13:58 |
| apachelogger | someone shall close the bug then | 13:58 |
| apachelogger | while I fight with meegotouch | 13:58 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: already did | 13:59 |
| apachelogger | thx | 14:00 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: Q_INVOKABLE void show() { | 14:00 |
| apachelogger | MBanner *eventBanner = new MBanner(); | 14:00 |
| apachelogger | present for you | 14:00 |
| apachelogger | one day you will know what it all means | 14:00 |
| apachelogger | cause I do not | 14:00 |
| * apachelogger is too old for this | 14:00 | |
| ScottK | Heh. | 14:01 |
| apachelogger | MSceneWindow: void MSceneWindow::appear(QGraphicsScene*, MSceneWindow::DeletionPolicy) scene has no scene manager. | 14:05 |
| apachelogger | I do not even know what that means | 14:05 |
| ScottK | Welcome to the over-the-hill gang. | 14:08 |
| charlie-tca | Can I assign bug 845549 to the desktop team? | 14:33 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 845549 in lightdm (Ubuntu) "Do not ship /etc/lightdm/lightdm-gtk-greeter.conf" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/845549 | 14:33 |
| charlie-tca | Sorry, wrong channel | 14:36 |
| Riddell | weird e-mail du jour http://paste.kde.org/120799/ | 14:38 |
| === jjesse_ is now known as jjesse | ||
| didrocks | ScottK: not sure you saw for Qt, seems that the documentation building timeout on armel. Maybe as the doc package is arch:all, we can only build it on i386? | 14:46 |
| didrocks | ScottK: seems that I have a way to do it in debian/rules, it will need some package upload to confirm but should work | 14:47 |
| ScottK | Cool. | 14:47 |
| ScottK | That should fix powerpc too. | 14:47 |
| ScottK | Thanks for looking into it. | 14:47 |
| _Groo_ | Quintasan_: ping | 15:02 |
| _Groo_ | Quintasan_: hi/2 all | 15:02 |
| _Groo_ | Quintasan_: could you take a look at kde-config-telepathy-accounts-plugins : Depends: libkcmtelepathyaccounts4 (= 0.1.0+20110831-0~natty1) but 0.1.0+20110911-0~natty1 is to be installed in the telepathy-kde ppa pls? | 15:02 |
| apachelogger | !find imports/QtMobility | 16:16 |
| ubottu | File imports/QtMobility found in libdeclarative-contacts, libdeclarative-feedback, libdeclarative-gallery, libdeclarative-location, libdeclarative-organizer, libdeclarative-publishsubscribe, libdeclarative-sensors, libdeclarative-serviceframework, libdeclarative-systeminfo, qtmobility-dbg | 16:16 |
| * apachelogger kindly points out that theose are libqtdeclarative modules | 16:17 | |
| bulldog98_ | apachelogger: tell that the debian guys | 16:18 |
| apachelogger | no fabo :( | 16:18 |
| ScottK | fabo was working on 4.7.4 today. | 16:19 |
| ScottK | (mentioned on #debian-qt-kde) | 16:19 |
| apachelogger | qtmobility - you are not meant to thread it(tm) | 16:33 |
| _Groo_ | Quintasan_: ping | 16:33 |
| apachelogger | this is epcially moot | 16:37 |
| apachelogger | a) you cannot use qtorganizer classes in a thread b) you cannot feed qtorganizer objects from cpp to qml c) you cannot read an ical from within qml d) reading an ical requires >4 classes | 16:38 |
| === yofel_ is now known as yofel | ||
| === jjesse_ is now known as jjesse | ||
| bulldog98_ | guys will we have meeting in #ubuntu-meeting or here? | 17:30 |
| apachelogger | whatever is free | 17:32 |
| BarkingFish | Hi guys. I need a quick bit of help - I need to transfer kubuntu over to my other machine and want to md5sum the iso before I do - problem is, I can't remember how to do it cause it's been so long. | 17:37 |
| BarkingFish | Last 5 or 6 installs previously have been over the web, so I've not been using disks | 17:37 |
| micahg | BarkingFish: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToMD5SUM#Check%20the%20CD | 17:38 |
| apachelogger | md5sum iso | 17:38 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: do you want to write an ical parser? | 17:39 |
| BarkingFish | thanks micahg and apachelogger | 17:39 |
| apachelogger | qtmobilitykit just ate 8 hours of work for no good reason | 17:39 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: uhm .. maybe | 17:39 |
| * apachelogger waves fist at brisbane api and write his own impl for calendar stuff | 17:39 | |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: give me a minute, doing VISA stuff right now :) | 17:40 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: actually it doesn't even have to do much ... use case is a qt app for UDS schedule | 17:40 |
| apachelogger | so we'd just need to parse the ical into something useful which we can serialize to ondisk storage | 17:40 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: ok, i might be able to sneak that into my schedule somehow | 17:40 |
| apachelogger | where storage is a file for the sake of apachelogger's sanity | 17:40 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: that would be swell | 17:40 |
| shadeslayer | i need a better time management app first tho :P | 17:41 |
| apachelogger | mitu | 17:41 |
| shadeslayer | or .. we could just feed all of that data into nepomuk and be all sorts of semantically cool | 17:41 |
| apachelogger | yep | 17:42 |
| apachelogger | on me phon | 17:42 |
| shadeslayer | then we could say apachelogger wants to attend session X | 17:42 |
| shadeslayer | hahaha | 17:42 |
| apachelogger | first nepomukky eats my desktop | 17:42 |
| shadeslayer | tracker? :P | 17:42 |
| apachelogger | then my laptop | 17:42 |
| apachelogger | then my netbook | 17:42 |
| apachelogger | then my tablet | 17:42 |
| apachelogger | and now my phon | 17:42 |
| apachelogger | nonono | 17:42 |
| apachelogger | I will not stand for this | 17:42 |
| apachelogger | to arms! | 17:42 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: all to complicated, for all I care we can just store an ical on disk :P | 17:43 |
| apachelogger | IIRC the format allows to stuff random stuff into an entry, so we could have like X-Foo-Star=true or somesuch rubbish | 17:43 |
| apachelogger | anyhow | 17:43 |
| shadeslayer | :P | 17:43 |
| apachelogger | parsing is what matters most in any case | 17:43 |
| apachelogger | and I will be AFK now | 17:43 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: ok, i'll try and have a look, but i also need to finish reading the ICE RFC i started last week | 17:48 |
| === ejat- is now known as ejat | ||
| _Groo_ | Quintasan_: ping | 17:49 |
| _Groo_ | anyone here taking care of telepathy packages besides quintasan? | 17:51 |
| shadeslayer | _Groo_: kinda, i know whats going on etc, but have no active role in packaging telepathy | 17:51 |
| shadeslayer | whats the problem? | 17:51 |
| _Groo_ | shadeslayer: last update broke telepathy-kde, quintasan left some hard coded versioning inside... let me paste | 17:55 |
| _Groo_ | shadeslayer: kde-config-telepathy-accounts-plugins : Depends: libkcmtelepathyaccounts4 (= 0.1.0+20110831-0~natty1) but 0.1.0+20110911-0~natty1 is to be installed | 17:55 |
| _Groo_ | just needs to repackage telepathy-kde-accounts-kcm-plugins_0.1.0.orig.tar.bz2 | 17:55 |
| shadeslayer | _Groo_: yeah, you're going to have to wait for someone with upload rights to that ppa | 17:58 |
| _Groo_ | shadeslayer: ok if i go offline pls warn Quintasan_ about it, ok? :) | 17:59 |
| shadeslayer | _Groo_: best if you file a bug report against the package/ppa in launchpad | 18:02 |
| bambee | did anyone test kwin-4.7.1-0ubuntu2~ppa1 (from ppa:kubuntu-ppa/experimental) ? | 18:15 |
| bambee | it works just fine here | 18:16 |
| apachelogger | bambee: did you send a mail to -devel? | 18:22 |
| bambee | apachelogger: no, since it's not my package... however I can send an email anyway | 18:50 |
| NCommander | I expired out of ~kubuntu-members, can someone readd me (it happened while I was on vacation hence why I couldn't renew) | 18:50 |
| bambee | apachelogger: done | 18:58 |
| apachelogger | NCommander: ye shouldnt have gone on vacation then :P | 19:01 |
| NCommander | apachelogger: I like having a life once in awhile | 19:01 |
| apachelogger | NCommander: Oo no idea what ye be talking about | 19:03 |
| apachelogger | renewed | 19:03 |
| apachelogger | i think | 19:03 |
| NCommander | apachelogger: thanks | 19:04 |
| apachelogger | takes forever and a dayu with one hand | 19:04 |
| NCommander | Its Launchpad, what should we expect :-P | 19:05 |
| NCommander | apachelogger: its a bit annoying that membership expires as I do use my @kubuntu.org email at times, and if I expire out of members, that goes poof | 19:05 |
| apachelogger | maybe the solution would be to not have the addy go away? | 19:10 |
| apachelogger | I find that a bit ehm, bogus, to begin with | 19:10 |
| bulldog98_ | bambee: I use it since yesterday works fine for me too | 19:26 |
| bambee | bulldog98_: did you notice performance improvements ? | 19:27 |
| bambee | it was really fast with GL+GLSL here, and now it's even faster :) | 19:28 |
| bulldog98_ | bambee: I didn’t noticed regression, but I don’t have more than 5 windows up, so I guess the improvement shouldn’t be that great | 19:28 |
| * bulldog98_ thinks it might have getten faster | 19:29 | |
| bulldog98_ | and I trust in martin | 19:29 |
| bulldog98_ | apachelogger: could you place us into http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendars/ ? | 19:31 |
| DarkwingDuck | Anyone have an opinion? http://people.ubuntu.com/~david.wonderly/Graphics/Kubuntu/3d_kubuntu_gears.png | 19:39 |
| ScottK | DarkwingDuck: For? | 19:43 |
| DarkwingDuck | banner/flyer ideas | 19:44 |
| ScottK | Looks nice, but not well matched to upstream or Ubuntu branding. | 19:45 |
| * DarkwingDuck nods | 19:46 | |
| DarkwingDuck | It was more of playing with inkscape and came up with that. | 19:46 |
| _StefanS_ | evening | 21:05 |
| _StefanS_ | anyone have a quick fix for the broken qdbus ? | 21:05 |
| _StefanS_ | yes I shouldn't use development for my main machine - but hey I did ;) | 21:06 |
| _StefanS_ | any help appreciated on the qdbus issue... | 21:21 |
| BarkingFish | ScottK, just to let you know, i've successfully got Kubuntu onto my PC. All I need to do now is get the packaging system setup again, and we're away | 22:34 |
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