[01:47] <dacresni> is there a software update button in Muon? 
[01:55] <ScottK> Lovely.
[01:56] <ScottK> Sorry, wrong channel.
[02:05] <micahg> ScottK: heh, turnabout's fair play, you posted the other qt4-x11 thing in the security channel
[02:06] <ScottK> Yep.
[02:09] <dacresni> should I ask taht question again /
[02:09] <dacresni> thats 
[02:09] <dacresni> ? 
[02:11] <ScottK> dacresni: Use support questions should be asked in #kubuntu.
[02:11] <dacresni> oh ok, i thought here becaues its in Oneric not in Natty
[02:12] <ScottK> No.  Sorry.
[02:15] <dacresni> ok. well heres another question, If I signed up as an ISO tester, and I put my input in already that it boots on mac already, is there anything esle I should say ? 
[02:25] <ScottK> No.  ISO testing is mostly about either it passes or filing bugs if there are problems.
[05:30] <ScottK> Looks like progress on getting the alternates back in shape size wise.
[05:45] <ScottK> debfx: I think there's a problem with your ISO comparison script.  It shows libllvm2.9 is the biggest size gain, but it's on both the beta and current images with the same version.
[05:53] <ScottK> apachelogger: Do we want to remove phonon-backend-xine?
[08:09] <bambee> morning
[08:38] <debfx> ScottK: it compares the current to the natty final images
[09:03] <agateau> morning!
[09:03] <agateau> anyone up for packaging a new release of plasma-widget-menubar?
[09:25] <apachelogger> ScottK: yes, we want to remove phonon-backend-xine
[09:27] <apachelogger> bambee: fancy packaging a new release of plasma-widget-menubar? ^^
[09:28] <apachelogger> agateau: does it have new features?
[09:28] <bambee> apachelogger: sure
[09:28] <agateau> apachelogger: no, it is only bug fixes
[09:28] <bambee> agateau: I can pack it
[09:28] <agateau> apachelogger: well... it gained the ability to show a "..." menu item if the menubar is too large, but that was done to fix a bug
[09:29] <agateau> bambee: great!
[09:29] <apachelogger> bambee: poke me when you are done, we'll probably not need a FFe to sneak that one in ^^
[09:29] <bambee> apachelogger: ok
[09:32] <apachelogger> debfx: your quassel upload is not in bzr it seems
[09:34] <apachelogger> debfx: what I do not get, what is the gain from removing a broken feature rather than fixing it?
[09:46] <bambee> apachelogger: done
[09:46] <bambee> apachelogger: also, we could upload these package rules to lp:~kubuntu-packagers... imo
[09:49] <apachelogger> sure, why not
[09:50] <bambee> apachelogger: where do I upload it ?
[09:53] <apachelogger> maco: https://code.launchpad.net/~apachelogger/ubiquity/fix-743062
[09:53] <apachelogger> bambee: revu or send me a diff
[09:53] <bambee> ok revu
[09:58] <apachelogger> bambee: btw, you really need to be more pressing when you have something on revu
[09:58] <apachelogger> debfx, Quintasan_, yofel_: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/touchegg-gui plz revu
[09:59] <bambee> apachelogger: it's already revu xD
[09:59] <bambee> reviewed *
[09:59] <apachelogger> you need 2 reviews
[09:59] <bambee> Quintasan_ and you already reviewed it, and the FFe has been accepted since a while now...
[09:59] <apachelogger> only updates can go with one review
[09:59] <apachelogger> new packages should have *at least* 2
[10:00] <bambee> I am pretty sure that Quintasan_ has reviewed it... however I am not 100% sure :\
[10:00] <apachelogger> no comment means not reviewed
[10:01] <bambee> apachelogger: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/plasma-widget-menubar
[10:03] <apachelogger> +Vcs-Bzr: https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/plasma-widget-menubar
[10:03] <apachelogger> plz use lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/plasma-widget-menubar
[10:04] <apachelogger> !ffe
[10:05] <apachelogger>   * New upstream release
[10:05] <apachelogger>     - Add kubuntu_01_disable_tests.diff to disable failing tests
[10:05] <apachelogger> wtf
[10:05] <apachelogger> agateau: do your tests depend on an X session?
[10:06] <bambee> Vcs-Bzr fixed
[10:07] <agateau> apachelogger: could be
[10:07] <bambee> apachelogger: do we need a FFe or not? you said no few minutes ago... ^^
[10:08] <apachelogger> agateau: kent beck would give you a beating for that :P
[10:08] <bambee> and then you asked kubotu about ffe :P
[10:08] <apachelogger> bambee: how would I know
[10:08] <bambee> o.O
[10:08]  * apachelogger will just upload and let someone else find out
[10:08] <agateau> apachelogger: better having unit tests which depend on X than no unit tests
[10:08] <debfx> apachelogger: the feature is unused (no bug report despite being broken for several releases), unneeded (if the cert is self-signed it doesn't matter if it's expired) and imho creating a certificate is a generic task so we shouldn't duplicate that functionality into every package that has an SSL server
[10:09] <debfx> pushed to bzr now
[10:09] <apachelogger> agateau: not as much better as we would like to think :)
[10:09] <apachelogger> could not even do CI
[10:09] <debfx> but feel free to resurrect it if you wish
[10:09] <agateau> apachelogger: Xvfb is your friend
[10:09] <apachelogger> agateau: make that part of your test suite then :P
[10:10] <apachelogger> debfx: I am reasonable sure I put it there for a good reason
[10:10] <apachelogger> particularly since I did not care about the core at all
[10:10] <apachelogger> so someone must have pressed me into putting it there
[10:11] <apachelogger> bambee: did you testbuild?
[10:11] <bambee> apachelogger: yes, I did , as all of my packages :)
[10:12] <apachelogger> W: plasma-widget-menubar source: out-of-date-standards-version 3.9.1 (current is 3.9.2)
[10:12] <apachelogger> E: plasma-widget-menubar: malformed-deb-archive third member data.tar not data.tar.(gz|bz2|xz)
[10:12] <apachelogger> W: plasma-widget-menubar: description-synopsis-starts-with-article
[10:12] <bambee> (with pbuilder)
[10:12] <apachelogger> :P
[10:13]  * apachelogger thinks rekonq hates him
[10:14] <apachelogger> agateau, bambee: .16 uploaded, packaging branch pushed to lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/plasma-widget-menubar
[10:14] <agateau> apachelogger: thanks!
[10:14] <agateau> bambee: thanks as well!
[10:14] <apachelogger> de rien
[10:15] <bambee> apachelogger: thanks!
[10:15] <bambee> agateau: yw :)
[10:16] <apachelogger> du fiacre une damme sort et dit chin caha hu dia ho la
[10:17]  * apachelogger sings along to a rather silly song while listening along to ruphy making radio
[10:17] <apachelogger> oh
[10:17] <apachelogger> someone broke our status page
[10:19] <debfx> apachelogger: looks like the quassel core doesn't accept expired certs, but imho that's a bug. it should be a warning not an error.
[10:20] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[10:20] <apachelogger> FTR: I still do not give a rats booty about the core :P
[10:21] <debfx> Sput: ^ what do you think?
[10:21] <apachelogger> hm
[10:21] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libindi/+bug/749820
[10:21] <apachelogger> you know
[10:22] <Sput> debfx: yeah, could be
[10:22] <Sput> not sure if we can force Qt to accept invalid certs though
[10:23] <agateau> apachelogger: ok, that loosy test I had in plasma-widget-menubar does not require X anymore
[10:23] <apachelogger> agateau++
[10:25] <debfx> I hope Qt doesn't reject those when used as local certs
[10:25] <Sput> I also have really little time for that now, but I'd apply a patch
[10:26] <debfx> ok, I'll do some testing
[10:28] <debfx> apachelogger: do you mind if I drop "Kubuntu IRC" from kubuntu_01_default_network_channel.patch and just add #kubuntu to the Freenode channel list?
[10:28] <debfx> since there is no such thing as a "Kubuntu IRC" network
[10:28] <apachelogger> irc.ubuntu.com
[10:29] <debfx> and how is that any different from freenode?
[10:29] <apachelogger> branding
[10:30] <apachelogger> same question as before slightly adapted: what is the gain in removing non-broken features instead of leaving them there?
[10:30] <debfx> right, since when do we do such silly kind of branding?
[10:30] <debfx> remove duplication and confusion
[10:33] <debfx> e.g. one might think you need to connect to kubuntu irc and freenode to join kubuntu channels and $channel on freenode
[10:34] <apachelogger> since either hoary or edgy
[10:35] <apachelogger> edgy it was
[10:35] <apachelogger> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xchat/+bug/52690
[10:35] <apachelogger> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-default-settings/1:6.10-30
[10:41] <apachelogger> jussi: [jussi01] Ask Ubuntu Shop people to include Kubuntu products: INPROGRESS
[10:41] <apachelogger> ...
[10:41] <apachelogger> any progress?
[10:47] <apachelogger> ryanakca_, DarkwingDuck: what is the status of wiki theming? IIRC you already have a ticket with the sysadmins?
[10:47] <jussi> apachelogger: yes, waiting on designs from people here.
[10:47] <apachelogger> jussi: designs? did you send a mail to -devel about that?
[10:54] <jussi> apachelogger: I spoke about it here, and have now sent mail to the list :)
[10:55] <apachelogger> awesome
[11:11] <ScottK> debfx: Ah. OK.  Can it be made to compare to Beta 1?
[11:16] <Riddell> bug 846709 is nasty
[12:08]  * rbelem pokes ScottK 
[12:09] <rbelem> :-)
[12:57] <ScottK> rbelem: poke back.
[12:58] <rbelem> ScottK, heya :-)
[12:58] <rbelem> ScottK, how is the runtime thing?
[12:58] <ScottK> Still broken.
[12:58] <rbelem> :-/
[12:59] <rbelem> ScottK, do you know a possible solution for that?
[12:59] <ScottK> I thought the last one would work ...
[12:59] <ScottK> I haven't had a chance to look again.
[13:01] <rbelem> ScottK, if you need something from me, poke me :-)
[13:03] <debfx> ScottK: the problem is that I can't query the size of packages from the beta cd
[13:03] <debfx> well I could but I'd have to use the lp api
[13:15] <ScottK> debfx: OK.  Thanks.  It's incredibly useful as is.
[13:58] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: package has been fixed already
[13:58] <apachelogger> someone shall close the bug then
[13:58] <apachelogger> while I fight with meegotouch
[13:59] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: already did
[14:00] <apachelogger> thx
[14:00] <apachelogger> shadeslayer:     Q_INVOKABLE void show() {
[14:00] <apachelogger>         MBanner *eventBanner = new MBanner();
[14:00] <apachelogger> present for you
[14:00] <apachelogger> one day you will know what it all means
[14:00] <apachelogger> cause I do not
[14:00]  * apachelogger is too old for this
[14:01] <ScottK> Heh.
[14:05] <apachelogger> MSceneWindow: void MSceneWindow::appear(QGraphicsScene*, MSceneWindow::DeletionPolicy) scene has no scene manager. 
[14:05] <apachelogger> I do not even know what that means
[14:08] <ScottK> Welcome to the over-the-hill gang.
[14:33] <charlie-tca> Can I assign bug 845549 to the desktop team?
[14:36] <charlie-tca> Sorry, wrong channel
[14:38] <Riddell> weird e-mail du jour http://paste.kde.org/120799/
[14:46] <didrocks> ScottK: not sure you saw for Qt, seems that the documentation building timeout on armel. Maybe as the doc package is arch:all, we can only build it on i386?
[14:47] <didrocks> ScottK: seems that I have a way to do it in debian/rules, it will need some package upload to confirm but should work
[14:47] <ScottK> Cool.
[14:47] <ScottK> That should fix powerpc too.
[14:47] <ScottK> Thanks for looking into it.
[15:02] <_Groo_> Quintasan_: ping
[15:02] <_Groo_> Quintasan_: hi/2 all
[15:02] <_Groo_> Quintasan_: could you take a look at  kde-config-telepathy-accounts-plugins : Depends: libkcmtelepathyaccounts4 (= 0.1.0+20110831-0~natty1) but 0.1.0+20110911-0~natty1 is to be installed in the telepathy-kde ppa pls?
[16:16] <apachelogger> !find imports/QtMobility
[16:17]  * apachelogger kindly points out that theose are libqtdeclarative modules
[16:18] <bulldog98_> apachelogger: tell that the debian guys
[16:18] <apachelogger> no fabo :(
[16:19] <ScottK> fabo was working on 4.7.4 today.
[16:19] <ScottK> (mentioned on #debian-qt-kde)
[16:33] <apachelogger> qtmobility - you are not meant to thread it(tm)
[16:33] <_Groo_> Quintasan_: ping
[16:37] <apachelogger> this is epcially moot
[16:38] <apachelogger> a) you cannot use qtorganizer classes in a thread b) you cannot feed qtorganizer objects from cpp to qml c) you cannot read an ical from within qml d) reading an ical requires >4 classes
[17:30] <bulldog98_> guys will we have meeting in #ubuntu-meeting or here?
[17:32] <apachelogger> whatever is free
[17:37] <BarkingFish> Hi guys.  I need a quick bit of help - I need to transfer kubuntu over to my other machine and want to md5sum the iso before I do - problem is, I can't remember how to do it cause it's been so long.
[17:37] <BarkingFish> Last 5 or 6 installs previously have been over the web, so I've not been using disks
[17:38] <micahg> BarkingFish: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToMD5SUM#Check%20the%20CD
[17:38] <apachelogger> md5sum iso
[17:39] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: do you want to write an ical parser?
[17:39] <BarkingFish> thanks micahg and apachelogger 
[17:39] <apachelogger> qtmobilitykit just ate 8 hours of work for no good reason
[17:39] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: uhm .. maybe
[17:39]  * apachelogger waves fist at brisbane api and write his own impl for calendar stuff
[17:40] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: give me a minute, doing VISA stuff right now :)
[17:40] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: actually it doesn't even have to do much ... use case is a qt app for UDS schedule
[17:40] <apachelogger> so we'd just need to parse the ical into something useful which we can serialize to ondisk storage
[17:40] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ok, i might be able to sneak that into my schedule somehow
[17:40] <apachelogger> where storage is a file for the sake of apachelogger's sanity
[17:40] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: that would be swell
[17:41] <shadeslayer> i need a better time management app first tho :P
[17:41] <apachelogger> mitu
[17:41] <shadeslayer> or .. we could just feed all of that data into nepomuk and be all sorts of semantically cool
[17:42] <apachelogger> yep
[17:42] <apachelogger> on me phon
[17:42] <shadeslayer> then we could say apachelogger wants to attend session X
[17:42] <shadeslayer> hahaha
[17:42] <apachelogger> first nepomukky eats my desktop
[17:42] <shadeslayer> tracker? :P
[17:42] <apachelogger> then my laptop
[17:42] <apachelogger> then my netbook
[17:42] <apachelogger> then my tablet
[17:42] <apachelogger> and now my phon
[17:42] <apachelogger> nonono
[17:42] <apachelogger> I will not stand for this
[17:42] <apachelogger> to arms!
[17:43] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: all to complicated, for all I care we can just store an ical on disk :P
[17:43] <apachelogger> IIRC the format allows to stuff random stuff into an entry, so we could have like X-Foo-Star=true or somesuch rubbish
[17:43] <apachelogger> anyhow
[17:43] <shadeslayer> :P
[17:43] <apachelogger> parsing is what matters most in any case
[17:43] <apachelogger> and I will be AFK now
[17:48] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ok, i'll try and have a look, but i also need to finish reading the ICE RFC i started last week
[17:49] <_Groo_> Quintasan_: ping
[17:51] <_Groo_> anyone here taking care of telepathy packages besides quintasan?
[17:51] <shadeslayer> _Groo_: kinda, i know whats going on etc, but have no active role in packaging telepathy
[17:51] <shadeslayer> whats the problem?
[17:55] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: last update broke telepathy-kde, quintasan left some hard coded versioning inside... let me paste
[17:55] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: kde-config-telepathy-accounts-plugins : Depends: libkcmtelepathyaccounts4 (= 0.1.0+20110831-0~natty1) but 0.1.0+20110911-0~natty1 is to be installed
[17:55] <_Groo_> just needs to repackage telepathy-kde-accounts-kcm-plugins_0.1.0.orig.tar.bz2
[17:58] <shadeslayer> _Groo_: yeah, you're going to have to wait for someone with upload rights to that ppa
[17:59] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: ok if i go offline pls warn Quintasan_ about it, ok? :)
[18:02] <shadeslayer> _Groo_: best if you file a bug report against the package/ppa in launchpad
[18:15] <bambee> did anyone test kwin-4.7.1-0ubuntu2~ppa1 (from ppa:kubuntu-ppa/experimental) ?
[18:16] <bambee> it works just fine here
[18:22] <apachelogger> bambee: did you send a mail to -devel?
[18:50] <bambee> apachelogger: no, since it's not my package... however I can send an email anyway
[18:50] <NCommander> I expired out of ~kubuntu-members, can someone readd me (it happened while I was on vacation hence why I couldn't renew)
[18:58] <bambee> apachelogger: done
[19:01] <apachelogger> NCommander: ye shouldnt have gone on vacation then :P
[19:01] <NCommander> apachelogger: I like having a life once in awhile
[19:03] <apachelogger> NCommander: Oo no idea what ye be talking about
[19:03] <apachelogger> renewed
[19:03] <apachelogger> i think
[19:04] <NCommander> apachelogger: thanks
[19:04] <apachelogger> takes forever and a dayu with one hand
[19:05] <NCommander> Its Launchpad, what should we expect :-P
[19:05] <NCommander> apachelogger: its a bit annoying that membership expires as I do use my @kubuntu.org email at times, and if I expire out of members, that goes poof
[19:10] <apachelogger> maybe the solution would be to not have the addy go away?
[19:10] <apachelogger> I find that a bit ehm, bogus, to begin with
[19:26] <bulldog98_> bambee: I use it since yesterday works fine for me too
[19:27] <bambee> bulldog98_: did you notice performance improvements ?
[19:28] <bambee> it was really fast with GL+GLSL here, and now it's even faster :)
[19:28] <bulldog98_> bambee: I didn’t noticed regression, but I don’t have more than 5 windows up, so I guess the improvement shouldn’t be that great
[19:29]  * bulldog98_ thinks it might have getten faster
[19:29] <bulldog98_> and I trust in martin
[19:31] <bulldog98_> apachelogger: could you place us into http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendars/ ?
[19:39] <DarkwingDuck> Anyone have an opinion? http://people.ubuntu.com/~david.wonderly/Graphics/Kubuntu/3d_kubuntu_gears.png
[19:43] <ScottK> DarkwingDuck: For?
[19:44] <DarkwingDuck> banner/flyer ideas
[19:45] <ScottK> Looks nice, but not well matched to upstream or Ubuntu branding.
[19:46]  * DarkwingDuck nods
[19:46] <DarkwingDuck> It was more of playing with inkscape and came up with that.
[21:05] <_StefanS_> evening
[21:05] <_StefanS_> anyone have a quick fix for the broken qdbus ? 
[21:06] <_StefanS_> yes I shouldn't use development for my main machine - but hey I did ;)
[21:21] <_StefanS_> any help appreciated on the qdbus issue...
[22:34] <BarkingFish> ScottK, just to let you know, i've successfully got Kubuntu onto my PC.  All I need to do now is get the packaging system setup again, and we're away