[00:36] <robert_ancell> stgraber, you there?
[00:37] <stgraber> robert_ancell: yep
[00:38] <stgraber> robert_ancell: got a unity-greeter for me? :)
[00:38] <robert_ancell> stgraber, can you show me a screenshot of the edubuntu unity-greeter modifications?
[00:38] <robert_ancell> stgraber, you will have to reformat logo image for placement, but I don't think it will be too hard
[00:39] <robert_ancell> stgraber, I have an amd64 package I can send you if you want a quick test
[00:40] <stgraber> robert_ancell: 64bit package would be great. I'll make a screenshot before/after and attach that to the bug.
[00:42] <robert_ancell> stgraber, ok, emailed
[00:49] <stgraber> robert_ancell: ok, changes aren't too noticable and all text is still readable with our background. I'm uploading the screenshots now. One thing I noticed though is that under kvm I now get a 2-3 seconds black background before seeing the wallpaper (login box is visible during that time).
[00:49] <robert_ancell> stgraber, yeah, the black background is an issue on master, it will be fixed before release
[00:49] <stgraber> ok, good
[00:52] <stgraber> robert_ancell: attached the screenshots to the bug. Martin already marked the freeze exception as confirmed, so I guess you're good to go.
[00:54] <robert_ancell> stgraber, cool, thanks
[00:56] <jasoncwarner_> hey robert_ancell didn't know if you wanted me to test a new Unity greeter today?
[00:57] <robert_ancell> jasoncwarner_, I don't have one ready right now, but I will.  (I was playing in the weekend on a netbook to see how it runs on a slower machine.  The 0.0.7 changes sped things up considerably, but still didn't see the lagginess that you were talking about)
[00:57] <jasoncwarner_> robert_ancell: I noticed that it seems snappier with the changes..though I still have the lag.
[00:57] <robert_ancell> your logs show something interesting, the greeter asked the daemon to authenticate the first user, but claims it doesn't get a response for over a second.  The daemon says it responds immediately
[00:57] <jasoncwarner_> robert_ancell: Any suspiciions at this point?
[00:58] <jasoncwarner_> hmm...
[00:58] <robert_ancell> it's possible background behaviour is causing some lag, the recent kernels seem to get very unresponsive under IO load.  I'm running out of things in the greeter that could be slowing it down
[00:58] <jasoncwarner_> robert_ancell: when I'm using it, it feels odd. Like something is blocking my inputs...keyboard and mouse being the laggy elements...almost like something is hogging recourse or something and when they finish, I get my system back
[00:59] <robert_ancell> the indicators may be causing that, as they load/trigger all sorts of stuff.  I'll hack you up a package with the indicators disabled and lets see if that removes some issues
[00:59] <jasoncwarner_> ok...cool
[00:59] <jasoncwarner_> I don't use the indicators anyway ;)
[00:59] <robert_ancell> heh, let's just disable them for everyone then :)
[01:00] <jasoncwarner_> robert_ancell: put in an audio trigger. When someone says "hey, where are the indicators" they magically appear. Otherwise, they are disabled.
[01:00] <jasoncwarner_> better yet
[01:00] <jasoncwarner_> make that audio trigger only available whne they are holding down alt
[01:02] <robert_ancell> jasoncwarner_, ok, sent
[01:03] <jasoncwarner_> robert_ancell or TheMuso do either of you know how I file a generic bug in launchpad? I've only filed against specific packages. but I want to file bugs for FFB, boot speed etc and i can't. ubuntu-bug won't let me nor will the LP website: 'File a bug' on this page (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric) redirects me to the wiki about filing a bug
[01:03] <jasoncwarner_> robert_ancell: ok
[01:04] <robert_ancell> jasoncwarner_, you either file against "ubuntu" or against a special project made for a task, i.e. the boot speed one robbie opened
[01:04] <jasoncwarner_> robert_ancell: I tried filing against 'ubuntu, but apport said that was too generic.
[01:05] <robert_ancell> i.e. https://launchpad.net/ubuntu -> "file a bug"
[01:05] <jasoncwarner_> robert_ancell: ah, ok..I can do that.
[01:05] <robert_ancell> apport does have some generic tasks though, e.g. audio.  Not sure how they work though
[01:05] <jasoncwarner_> robert_ancell: I can also create a special project. Is that just registering a new project on LP and the using apport to file it? I think I can do that...thanks
[01:06] <jasoncwarner_> robert_ancell: just got the greeter...going to give it a go...be back in a few.
[01:06] <stgraber> jasoncwarner_: IIRC you just need to add a ?no-redirect to the +filebug URL to avoid the redirection to the wiki
[01:06] <robert_ancell> again, not sure if apport will work but the web should?
[01:06] <jasoncwarner_> stgraber: ah, I'll try that as well! thanks.
[01:11] <jasoncwarner_> robert_ancell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/687257/
[01:11] <jasoncwarner_> robert_ancell: are the indicators COMPLETELY not loading? b/c I sitll had the lag
[01:15] <robert_ancell> yeah, absolutely not loading
[01:15] <robert_ancell> we can turn off the background as that's the only expensive thing left
[01:17] <jasoncwarner_> stgraber: thank you, btw...the ?no-redirect is working for me. Appreciated!
[01:17] <jasoncwarner_> robert_ancell: sure
[01:17] <jasoncwarner_> start cutting everything until we see what it is!
[01:20] <robert_ancell> jasoncwarner_, ok, sent one without backgrounds
[01:30] <jasoncwarner_> robert_ancell: not the background. http://paste.ubuntu.com/687272/
[01:30] <robert_ancell> the main part seems to be [+0.18s] DEBUG: unity-greeter.vala:560: Showing greeter
[01:30] <robert_ancell> [+2.12s] DEBUG: unity-greeter.vala:573: Starting main loop
[01:31] <robert_ancell> that shows a big startup latency
[01:31] <robert_ancell> but there's really nothing expensive being done in the greeter
[01:31] <robert_ancell> I'll log the fps and see if that shows anything interesting
[01:31] <jasoncwarner_> robert_ancell: k
[01:32] <jasoncwarner_> I need to log out again soon, anway...compiz is acting up ;)
[01:32] <jasoncwarner_> let me konw when you send it
[03:48] <jasoncwarner_> robert_ancell: fyi...my ssd just arrived :) here's to hoping I get to install it by the end of this week!
[03:49] <robert_ancell> heh, then all your unity-greeter problems will probably just disappear!
[04:05] <jasoncwarner_> robert_ancell: yeah, that is why I'm holding off installing it so we can do more debugging. :)
[04:13] <jbicha> bummer, I still have that Alt-Tab appears behind windows bug because I try to Alt-Tab with a modal dialog open
[04:14] <jasoncwarner_> jbicha: yeah, I don't think the stacking is 100% fixed yet...and my compiz got a bit flaky again this week :(
[04:15] <pitti> Good morning
[04:15] <jasoncwarner_> hey pitti ...good morning!
[04:15] <pitti> Sweetshark: yay
[04:15] <pitti> hey jasoncwarner_, how are you? had a nice weekend?
[04:16] <jasoncwarner_> pitti: yeah, pretty good, thanks for asking! I trust you did the same?
[04:16] <TheMuso> Morning pitti.
[04:17] <pitti> jasoncwarner_: yeah, we got quite a lot done in our new flat; got some mirrors, music amp, clothing stands, all the luxury problems :)
[04:17] <pitti> hey TheMuso, how are you?
[04:17] <TheMuso> pitti: Not too bad thanks, yourself?
[04:17] <pitti> pretty well indeed
[04:18] <pitti> dear empathy, please stop crashing
[04:18]  * micahg has the same letter ready to address to compiz
[04:37] <jbicha> is updating pitivi to 0.14.91 ok? their release numbering is a bit odd
[04:46] <desrt> jbicha: were you writing ubuntu docs for the dconf stuff, or was it personal interest?
[04:47] <jbicha> desrt: I was trying to answer http://askubuntu.com/questions/52120/how-to-change-wallpapers-of-all-clients
[04:48] <desrt> ah
[04:49] <jbicha> I think I'll blog it though
[04:49] <desrt> jbicha: your answer is good except the 'local' bit
[04:49] <desrt> since there is no local database that will most likely result in an abort at startup
[04:49] <jbicha> ok, I'll remove that line
[04:49] <desrt> i should probably make that less fatal :)
[04:49] <jbicha> GNOME 2 had http://library.gnome.org/admin/system-admin-guide/ where that would be useful info
[04:50] <desrt> there was a goal at some point to setup a new sysadmin guide using mallard
[04:50] <desrt> never really came together though
[04:51] <jbicha> maybe it will happen later
[04:51] <desrt> there has been a very impressive amount of docs type things going on in gnome lately
[04:52] <desrt> quite a lot of people showing up to help
[04:52] <desrt> plus the interns we've been having
[04:53] <jbicha> shaunm's mallard initiative has been rather successful, it's got more people interested
[04:53] <jbicha> he was hoping kde would sign on too, but that hasn't developed (yet)
[04:53] <desrt> ya...
[04:53] <desrt> he created some new proposed standard for how help would work
[04:53] <desrt> got a lot of "that looks nice!" from other desktops
[04:53] <desrt> and then nobody did anything
[04:54] <desrt> (stuff like file locations, how stuff is indexed to search, etc)
[05:06] <jasoncwarner_> pitti: hey...have you heard any more from andy about the potential change we can make for power consumption?
[05:06] <jasoncwarner_> pitti: wasn't sure how much we might win there.
[05:13] <pitti> jasoncwarner_: no, I didn't see any followup there
[05:16] <robert_ancell> jasoncwarner_, ok, got one more for you to test
[05:17] <robert_ancell> pitti, good morning.  Can you explain why we need the "Other" entry in the greeter?
[05:17] <jasoncwarner_> robert_ancell: ok...send away
[05:17] <pitti> robert_ancell: how else do you log in as a different user?
[05:17] <robert_ancell> pitti, why wouldn't your user show in the list?
[05:17] <jasoncwarner_> pitti: ok...care to follow up sometime this week? hope we can make some headway on the various things sometime soon (ffb, boot speed and powerconsumption).
[05:17] <pitti> robert_ancell: NFS, LDAP, custom PAM modules
[05:18] <robert_ancell> pitti, you can turn the user list off, and then it just shows the Other entry.  Does this cover the case?
[05:18] <pitti> jasoncwarner_: as I said, I think we might address some parts of power consumption this cycle still, but I don't have much hope that we'll get to the others in oneiric still -- we still have too many bugs to work on
[05:18] <robert_ancell> (perhaps we need to make that in the GUI if it's common)
[05:19] <pitti> robert_ancell: what's so bad about having this entry? It doesn't hurt, and avoids having to configure the greeter (in order to do that you need to login in the first place)
[05:19] <robert_ancell> pitti, It's not in the design, and I've seen at least one bug report / question in the wild from a user not knowing what it is and asking how to get rid of it
[05:21] <pitti> perhaps it should be named "Another user.." or so?
[05:22] <pitti> robert_ancell: you could perhaps check nsswitch.conf and only conditionally show it
[05:22] <pitti> robert_ancell: but even then, some people might want to log in as a system user, or have custom PAM config, etc.
[05:22] <robert_ancell> pitti, that sounds like a good solution.  The other case is if you have no users, then show it (makes sense)
[05:22] <pitti> nsswitch is only a heuristics
[05:23] <pitti> but frankly I don't see what's wrong with having it
[05:24] <robert_ancell> pitti, can you comment on bug #844044 why it should be there
[05:24] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 844044 in ayatana-design "Unity Greeter - Add Network Login option" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/844044
[05:24] <robert_ancell> whoops
[05:24] <robert_ancell> bug #844039
[05:24] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 844039 in ayatana-design "Unity Greeter - By default the 'Other' login option should not be displayed " [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/844039
[05:26] <robert_ancell> it seems to me that there's no need to show it, unless you have no users to log in as (and fix whatever problems there might be) or you are using network logins, in that case it's up to the sysadmin to configure your box appropriately (which they already have to do to configure PAM)
[05:28] <jasoncwarner_> robert_ancell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/687376/
[05:29] <pitti> robert_ancell: followed up to both
[05:30] <robert_ancell> jasoncwarner_, man, what is up with your computer.  it's just really slow...
[05:30] <robert_ancell> jasoncwarner_, I take it that it felt just as slow as normal?
[05:30] <rickspencer3> arg! my inbox is gone from Evolution
[05:32] <jasoncwarner_> robert_ancell: yeah, just the same
[05:32] <pitti> robert_ancell: yes, but you'd need to configure the same thing in two places, and it's not exactly obvious that you need to do so
[05:32] <pitti> robert_ancell: so if you want to do this, I'd parse nsswitch.conf and PAM, instead of adding a redundant configuration option
[05:32] <jasoncwarner_> rickspencer3: that isn't good...did you use pop or imap? (and did you have a crash or anything)?
[05:33] <rickspencer3> jasoncwarner_, it's my canonical email
[05:33] <rickspencer3> fortunaly, it shows up in t-bird
[05:33] <rickspencer3> oh crap, I have 93 unread emails already
[05:33] <rickspencer3> maybe I prefer the evo situation
[05:33] <Sarvatt> robert_ancell, jasoncwarner_: is there a bug for the x220 laggy login screen thing somewhere already? vanhoof was hitting it earlier (and he has an intel 320 series ssd in his x220 so dont expect that to make it any better) :(
[05:34] <jasoncwarner_> rickspencer3: :)
[05:34] <rickspencer3> is anyone else not able to navigate menus with arrow keys?
[05:34] <rickspencer3> oh, I see the problem
[05:35] <rickspencer3> jasoncwarner_, what package do I log a bug against for menu navigation bugs?
[05:35] <pitti> yes, F10 is currently broken for me, too
[05:35] <Sarvatt> will get him to file a bug if not, just saw you guys talking about it for the past few days and thought there might be one already
[05:36] <jasoncwarner_> Sarvatt: there is, not sure bug #. robert_ancell ?
[05:36] <jasoncwarner_> rickspencer3: I file menu stuff against unity. not sure sub-package, actually.
[05:36] <robert_ancell> Sarvatt, the bug is #828112, though we haven't worked out if that's one bug or more
[05:36] <robert_ancell> bug #828112
[05:36] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 828112 in unity-greeter "Password field feedback slow at times" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/828112
[05:37] <TheMuso> rickspencer3: A bug already exists.
[05:37] <TheMuso> rickspencer3: let me grab the bug number./
[05:38] <TheMuso> Bug 839628
[05:38] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 839628 in unity-2d "F10 doesn't start keyboard navigation to the panel" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/839628
[05:38] <TheMuso> There is a task for both unity and unity-2d in that bug.
[05:38] <rickspencer3> TheMuso,  thanks, but not quite my bug
[05:39] <TheMuso> rickspencer3: ah ok.
[05:42] <didrocks> good morning
[05:43] <jasoncwarner_> hey didrocks , how are you?
[05:43] <pitti> bonjour didrocks
[05:44] <didrocks> hey jasoncwarner_? I'm fine, thanks, you?
[05:44] <didrocks> guten morgen pitti
[05:44] <TheMuso> Morning didrocks.
[05:45] <didrocks> hey TheMuso
[05:48] <jbicha> can I update pitivi to 0.14.91?
[05:51] <pitti> jbicha: depends on whether the changes from .2 are only bug fix? otherwise you need a FFE/UIFE
[05:52] <jbicha> pitivi wants us to believe that 0.14 is a stable release, 0.14.1 and 0.14.2 were unstable, and 0.14.91 is a prerelease
[05:52] <jbicha> 0.15 is due 26 Sept
[05:53] <jbicha> they really ought to fix their release numbering
[05:53] <jbicha> http://jeff.ecchi.ca/blog/2011/09/11/pre-releasing-in-new-york/
[05:55] <pitti> jbicha: still, pitivi isn't under the GNOME umbrella, so if this has any non-bug fix change, it needs FFE/UIFE
[05:56] <jbicha> even if it's switching from an unstable pre-release to the stable version?
[05:58] <pitti> yes
[05:58] <jbicha> ok, thanks
[05:58] <pitti> jbicha: i. e. we should review the changes since .2, and see how much the new version was tested in oneiric
[05:58] <pitti> (in a PPA, etc.)
[05:59] <pitti> jbicha: I think updating to stable is a good idea, but it should have a careful look first
[05:59] <pitti> this is main, so it might need new dependencies, etc.
[05:59] <jbicha> pitivi didn't even bother submitting a NEWS update for this release
[06:00] <jbicha> dependencies didn't change
[06:01] <robert_ancell> jbicha, is the new version more stable?  I tried using pitivi the other day and it was just crashing like mad
[06:02] <pitti> we tried natty's yesterday for a simple cutting of a video, and it was quite buggy as well; we used avidemux in the end
[06:02] <pitti> so perhaps 0.15 will be better
[06:04]  * didrocks prepares a cup of tea before pushing the compiz ABI break
[06:05] <micahg> didrocks: will this one fix all the crashes?
[06:05] <jbicha> robert_ancell: I don't know if it's much better, supposedly this version is a few bugfixes, code cleanup, & a bit of tuning to their new presets feature
[06:06] <jbicha> pitti: do you want me to push it to the desktop PPA?
[06:06] <pitti> jbicha: that seems nice for testing
[06:07] <didrocks> micahg: not sure about "all", some yeah
[06:07] <micahg> didrocks: sorry, I meant the ones targeted for beta 2
[06:08] <didrocks> micahg: http://paste.ubuntu.com/687396/ (or you could have wait the changelog once uploaded)
[07:10] <pitti> does anyone plan to update gnome-user-docs to 3.1.1?
[07:10] <pitti> we still have 3.0
[07:11] <didrocks> pitti: can do it in a few
[07:13] <didrocks> pitti: did you see the mail about GNOME 3.4 providing only tar.xz? I remember to have seen some soyuz discussion on ubuntu-devel ML, but didn't remember about the outcome (if it supports .xz or not)
[07:13] <pitti> didrocks: I saw it, yes
[07:13] <pitti> didrocks: .xz works fine now
[07:14] <pitti> I uploaded a package last week
[07:14] <didrocks> pitti: ok nice, nothing to worry about it then :)
[07:35] <huats> happy birthday seb128
[07:35] <huats> oh he is not here yet :(
[07:35] <pitti> huats: he's on holidays
[07:35] <huats> pitti, that explains it then :)
[07:35] <huats> thanks for letting me know pitti
[07:41] <rodrigo_> morning
[07:44] <didrocks> hey huats, good morning rodrigo_
[07:44] <rodrigo_> bonjour didrocks
[07:44] <pitti> hey rodrigo_, how are you? had a nice weekend?
[07:44] <rodrigo_> hi pitti
[07:44] <rodrigo_> pitti, yes, a good one, you?
[07:45] <huats> morning didrocks
[07:45] <pitti> rodrigo_: me too, had nice sunny weather here, and got a lot done in the hours
[07:45] <pitti> house
[07:45] <rodrigo_> pitti, too hot here on saturday to do anything, but Sunday was good :)
[08:07] <czajkowski> Alohoa
[08:10] <czajkowski> pitti: I really hate to bug you but I have that annoying bug again and I do not know what to do http://twitpic.com/6js5ug/full  it will not go away.
[08:12] <pitti> czajkowski: the picture doesn't quite say what's wrong; what is the problem now?
[08:14] <czajkowski> It's the apport loop, something has crashed it want's to report it to I click yes, but then it never does anything
[08:14] <czajkowski> clicking cancel makes it appear, so I click X and it just stays there in the background all day.
[08:16] <pitti> czajkowski: ok, can you please paste /var/crash/*apport*.crash ?
[08:18] <czajkowski> sure
[08:20] <czajkowski> pitti: ok am clearly doing something stupid, sorry, but in the folder /var/crash there is no apport crash there :/
[08:20] <pitti> so apport doesn't crash any more
[08:21] <pitti> czajkowski: if you run /usr/share/apport/apport-gtk in a terminal, do you see any output?
[08:21] <czajkowski> but I still have the icon popp up that I posted to you, so a bit confusing
[08:21] <pitti> update-notifier is known to be quite annoying with the system crashes
[08:22] <pitti> it pops up that window whenever a new crash happens
[08:22] <czajkowski> no output
[08:23] <czajkowski> Thanks for your help pitti. sorry for monday annoyances
[08:23] <pitti> hmm
[08:23] <pitti> czajkowski: for system crashes it should bring up a gksu dialog
[08:23] <pitti> to ask you for your password
[08:23] <pitti> czajkowski: ls /var/crash ?
[08:24] <czajkowski> _bin_dash.1000.crash          _usr_lib_gnome-settings-daemon_gnome-settings-daemon.106.crash
[08:24] <czajkowski> _usr_bin_metacity.106.crash   _usr_lib_libreoffice_program_oosplash.bin.1000.crash
[08:24] <czajkowski> _usr_bin_nautilus.1000.crash
[08:26] <pitti> czajkowski: ah, seems _usr_bin_metacity.106.crash is the system one it tries to report
[08:26] <czajkowski> pitti: can I have your brain, as you can just figure that out by looking at a list of gibberish!
[08:27] <czajkowski> and it's been bugging me for over a week now
[08:27] <pitti> czajkowski: can you please run "gksu /usr/share/apport/apport-gtk /var/crash/_usr_lib_gnome-settings-daemon_gnome-settings-daemon.106.crash"
[08:29] <czajkowski> will do
[08:30] <czajkowski> ohh apport is actually working
[08:32] <czajkowski> ahh this bug exists https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-settings-daemon/+bug/832513
[08:32] <ubot2`> czajkowski: Error: Could not parse data returned by Ubuntu: HTTP Error 500: Internal Server Error (https://launchpad.net/bugs/832513)
[08:32]  * czajkowski hugs pitti 
[08:32] <czajkowski> pitti: should I ever meet you I owe you beer
[08:32] <pitti> hm, I can't see this bug
[08:32] <pitti> czajkowski: what is the g-s-d one about?
[08:32] <pitti> czajkowski: oh, just the crash you are trying to report, nevermind
[08:33] <pitti> czajkowski: so the update-notifier dialog fails to bring up gksu properly then?
[08:33] <czajkowski> yup
[08:42] <Sweetshark> Morning Desktopers!
[08:43] <chrisccoulson> hmmm, i really need my new laptop to arrive
[08:43] <chrisccoulson> not sure how i'm going to make this one last until friday :/
[08:43] <Sweetshark> pitti: davis has an uptime of 5 hours so my screen-session with the LO build is gone again :( ....
[08:44] <Sweetshark> .... but the *.debs are there so the build seems to have been successful.
[08:44] <pitti> bah
[08:44] <pitti> Sweetshark: ok, nice
[08:45] <pitti> so, ready for sponsoring?
[08:45] <didrocks> hey Sweetshark, chrisccoulson!
[08:45] <chrisccoulson> didrocks, i fixed messagingmenu-extension to load the new libunity on friday - http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~extension-hackers/messagingmenu-extension/trunk/revision/74?remember=69&compare_revid=69
[08:45] <pitti> chrisccoulson: oh, it's falling apart? morning chrisccoulson
[08:45] <chrisccoulson> i also completely rewrote how we load all the libraries though ;)
[08:45] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: excellent! thanks a lot :)
[08:45] <chrisccoulson> pitti - yeah, the hinge has snapped on 1 side already, which has broken the lid, and means i'm struggling to use the display
[08:46]  * Sweetshark wonders if we should add another slogan to the good old "LibreOffice/OpenOffice.org: proudly breaking you tooling since 2000" which would be "LibreOffice: longer build times that your uptimes"
[08:46] <Sweetshark> pitti: yes, ready for sponsoring
[08:46] <chrisccoulson> now the hinge on the other side is failing, and that one has the wireless cable and flexi on it
[08:46] <chrisccoulson> i fear it might be dead before the new one arrives ;)
[08:50] <czajkowski> pitti: thanks for your help this morning
[08:50] <pitti> czajkowski: seems we still didn't get to the root of the problem, though?
[08:51] <pitti> not quite sure what's wrong exactly
[08:51] <czajkowski> pitti: nope but I'm hoping given a few more updates it'll fix itself
[08:51] <pitti> heh, optimizm
[08:51] <pitti> s/z/s/
[08:52] <pitti> Sweetshark: does .2 -> .3 only fix bugs, or also come with new features/UI?
[08:52] <czajkowski> as long as the other annoying bug doesn't happen me today I can get work done http://j.mp/o6OtK6
[08:52] <pitti> heh, got 3 compiz crashes today already, I know what you mean :/
[08:53] <czajkowski> pitti: trying to write a training manual before wednesday when I start my new job so less crashes the better resorting to using bf mac
[08:55] <Sweetshark> pitti: micro releases are bug fixes only. the only ui changes I can imagine are fixing regressions. anyway the product in is in string freeze by now.
[08:57] <pitti> Sweetshark: thanks
[08:58] <pitti> Sweetshark: chinstrap has libreoffice-l10n_3.4.3-1.dsc and libreoffice-l10n_3.4.3-1ubuntu1.debian.tar.gz
[08:58] <pitti> Sweetshark: can you please upload a correct .dsc and .changes for -l10n?
[08:59] <pitti> watching dput on chinstrap is always a pleasure..
[08:59] <rickspencer3> dang, unity hates Mumble
[08:59] <pitti> rickspencer3: oh? WFM
[08:59] <Sweetshark> pitti: ah yes, I aborted that because the people on my mumble-server where complaining about hacked audio ...
[08:59] <pitti> heh
[08:59] <pitti> Sweetshark: do you need to reupload? Can't you just symlink/rename the origs on chinstrap?
[09:00] <pitti> Sweetshark: libo uploaded, thanks!
[09:00] <Sweetshark> pitti: nah, that was just laziness - the origs are the same
[09:01] <rodrigo_> need to reboot, bbiab
[09:28] <Sweetshark> pitti: libreoffice-l10n_3.4.3-1ubuntu1.debian.tar.gz libreoffice-l10n_3.4.3-1ubuntu1.dsc libreoffice-l10n_3.4.3-1ubuntu1_source.changes chinstrapped.
[09:29] <pitti> Sweetshark: so I need to rename all the tarballs to -l10n*?
[09:31] <pitti> yep, seems so
[09:34] <pitti> Sweetshark: uploaded
[09:54] <chrisccoulson> woah, every time i restart unity-panel-service, all the indicators get duplicated on the panel in the 2d version
[09:54] <didrocks> agateau: ^
[09:55] <chrisccoulson> but at least restarting it just triggered a weird menu bug in thunderbird that i've been trying to track down :)
[09:55] <agateau> didrocks: mmm... weird
[09:55]  * agateau tries
[09:55] <chrisccoulson> agateau, do you use more than 1 screen?
[09:55] <chrisccoulson> i only get it on my secondary monitor
[09:56] <agateau> chrisccoulson: sometimes
[09:57] <agateau> chrisccoulson: ok, trying to reproduce with second monitor then
[09:57] <chrisccoulson> agateau, http://people.canonical.com/~chrisccoulson/Duplicated%20indicators.png
[09:58] <chrisccoulson> that was after restarting unity-panel-service twice
[09:59] <chrisccoulson> agateau, also, that screenshot shows another bug which started last week ;)
[09:59] <chrisccoulson> (the 1 pixel line of corruption above the panel)
[10:09] <agateau> chrisccoulson: that's quite impressive
[10:09] <agateau> chrisccoulson: I couldn't reproduce it here, but I may be a bit outdated
[10:16] <agateau> chrisccoulson: I am definitely outdated, still using 4.6 here, while apt-cache policy tells me 4.8 is out. I suggest you file a bug
[10:24] <chrisccoulson> agateau, thanks, will do that in a bit
[11:09] <Sweetshark> pitti: great, i386 breaks. Ill take a look at it.
[11:19] <rodrigo_> pitti, hmm, you sponsored my gnome-contacts 0.1.4.1 branch, right?
[11:19] <pitti> rodrigo_: yes, you asked for it, didn't you?
[11:19] <rodrigo_> pitti, yes, it's just that debian/changelog still has UNRELEASEd, sp I guess you forgot to change that?
[11:19] <rodrigo_> pitti, or is there any other change missing in the branch?
[11:20] <rodrigo_> pitti, I'm about to upload another update, so can I just change that to 'oneiric'?
[11:20] <pitti> rodrigo_: ah, I guess I forgot to push the dch -r, sorry
[11:20] <pitti> rodrigo_: yes
[11:20] <rodrigo_> pitti, no problem, fixing it now, thanks!
[11:21] <pitti> thanks, sorry for the confusion
[11:23] <rodrigo_> pitti, ok, now it's ready for sponsoring again :-) to fix the build failure at https://launchpadlibrarian.net/79439836/buildlog_ubuntu-oneiric-i386.gnome-contacts_0.1.4.1-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[11:23] <rodrigo_> I'll add it to the etherpad
[11:23] <pitti> rodrigo_: oh, I already fixed that
[11:23] <pitti> did it still fail?
[11:23] <pitti> rodrigo_: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-contacts/0.1.4.1-0ubuntu2
[11:23] <pitti> built
[11:24] <rodrigo_> pitti, hmm, maybe not, still reading Fri/weekend mail
[11:24] <rodrigo_> so yes, my fault then :)
[11:24] <pitti> rodrigo_: hmm, and the branch I have over here is current
[11:24] <rodrigo_> pitti, yes, my fault then, sorry :)
[11:25] <pitti> rodrigo_: how could that happen, did you just forget to pull, or are we using two different branche?
[11:25] <pitti> s
[11:25] <pitti> just making sure that this isn't a systematic error
[11:25] <rodrigo_> pitti, I guess I forgot to pull
[11:25] <rodrigo_> indeed, my push command failed
[11:25] <rodrigo_> so yeah, my fault
[11:25] <pitti> ok
[11:25] <rodrigo_> sorry for the confusion
[11:26] <pitti> no problem :)
[11:31] <pitti> oh, hey mvo
[11:31] <pitti> mvo: welcome back! had nice holidays?
[11:32]  * ogra_ guesses he is paddeling fast in that big sea of email, trying not to drown ...  like we all do after vacation ;)
[11:34] <mvo> pitti: yeah, really nice, not always great weather, but otherwise really good
[11:34] <pitti> mvo: where did you go?
[11:35] <mvo> we went to the north sea (norrdeich) a small and relaxed village
[11:35] <ogra_> oh, thats an awesome area
[11:35] <mvo> ogra_: indeed, took me the entire morning just to get a rough overview
[11:35]  * ogra_ was in "Norden" several times in his youth
[11:35] <mvo> ogra_: yeah, fun for all of us and really bad mobile data connection so good for relaxing ;)
[11:35] <ogra_> haha
[11:36] <pitti> mvo: ah, nice! We've been to Norden (the city) four years ago, indeed quite a nice area
[11:36] <mvo> ogra_: yeah, its really close by … they even have a tea museum (but it was not the reason we stayed there ;)
[11:36] <ogra_> heh, i think i visited that with my parents once
[11:36] <pitti> mvo: hah, we saw that, too; it had been so bad weather back then, that we saw all the museums and did not go into the sea a single time
[11:36] <mvo> we were close to the beach, playground, fun swimming pool with huge slide, the full deal :)
[11:36] <pitti> except for the boat trip
[11:37] <mvo> I did go into the sea once and nearly froze ;)
[11:37] <pitti> mvo: was quite nice here in August, we went swimming twice
[11:38]  * mvo nods
[11:38] <mvo> I read somehting in the backlog about u-m and blacklist?
[11:38] <pitti> mvo: for the ayatana scrollbars
[11:39] <pitti> mvo: Cimi says it ought to work now
[11:40] <mvo> aha, cool
[11:40] <mvo> yeah, I think so
[11:55]  * Sweetshark thinks "Welcome to casino acropolis: our exciting 1 year bonds yield 112% currently, and are available in two colors: rouge et noir -- vert means the bank wins."
[12:03] <pitti> Sweetshark: hah, did you just happen to read the SPIEGEL during lunch break? I just did that an hour ago :)
[12:06]  * rodrigo_ lunch
[12:06] <Sweetshark> pitti: I heard the rumor about 'announce greek default' Friday afternoon, but this chart is just crazy: http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/quote?ticker=GGGB1YR:IND
[12:07] <pitti> Sweetshark: yeah, I don't think it's evitable any more
[12:07] <pitti> better spending those hundreds of billions saving their economy than their state bonds
[12:08] <Sweetshark> pitti: and since the swiss have pegged to th EUR, they better start their printing presses ...
[12:18] <desrt> does anyone else have this gnome-settings-daemon GSettings crasher?  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-settings-daemon/+bug/832513
[12:18] <ubot2`> Ubuntu bug 832513 in gnome-settings-daemon "gnome-settings-daemon assert failure: gnome-settings-daemon: ../../src/xcb_io.c:575: _XReply: Assertion `!xcb_xlib_extra_reply_data_left' failed." [High,Incomplete]
[12:18]  * desrt is looking for +/- on the patch working so he can include it or not in the next glib
[12:20] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: dummy question, if I accept an event in evolution, is that synced back to my e-d-s account?
[12:34] <GunnarHj> pitti: Hello Martin, wondering if you have considered my latest comment at https://code.launchpad.net/~gunnarhj/ubuntu/oneiric/accountsservice/unset-lcmess/+merge/73219
[12:35] <pitti> hey GunnarHj; will have a look at this soon
[12:35] <GunnarHj> pitti: ok
[13:01] <cyphermox> good morning!
[13:01] <pitti> hey cyphermox
[13:02] <tseliot> chrisccoulson: hi, is there a way to get the thunderbird indicator to show messages only from selected folders (e.g. my inbox)?
[13:05] <pitti> nessita, dobey: if only we could invent something easier for http://xkcd.com/949/!
[13:06] <nessita> pitti: LOL
[13:07] <didrocks> hey cyphermox!
[13:08] <cyphermox> hey didrocks
[13:15] <chrisccoulson> tseliot, Edit -> Preferences -> General -> "Only for messages in my Inbox folder"
[13:17] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: it still doesn't work btw :p
[13:17] <chrisccoulson> hmmm, it worked here when i tried it :/
[13:17] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: should I try uncheck and check again?
[13:17] <chrisccoulson> you could try, but i don't think it will make much difference
[13:18] <didrocks> I clearly have a "foundation" item here, which is a folder in thunderbird
[13:18] <tseliot> chrisccoulson: it doesn't work here either
[13:18] <chrisccoulson> works here :/
[13:19] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: what can we do to provide you some debug?
[13:20] <chrisccoulson> turn on extensions.logging.enabled, and paste the console output somewhere when it happens
[13:20] <didrocks> how do you turn that on? there is an about:config?
[13:20] <chrisccoulson> there is. it's in the advanced tab of the preferences dialog
[13:20] <chrisccoulson> "Config Editor"
[13:21] <chrisccoulson> i'm not sure how that translates to french ;)
[13:21] <chrisccoulson> it will produce a lot of output
[13:22] <tseliot> chrisccoulson: fortunately my local is en_GB :). I'll give you the output when I can reproduce the issue
[13:23] <chrisccoulson> thanks
[13:23] <didrocks> ok, if tseliot is testing, let's wait for him :)
[13:24] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: did you see my question about the calendar?
[13:24] <chrisccoulson> not yet
[13:24] <chrisccoulson> i'm trying to figure out a menu bug in tbird atm ;)
[14:07] <Sweetshark> pitti: so what need to be done to killing a source package (ooo-build-extensions bug 755987)?
[14:07] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 755987 in ooo-build-extensions "ooo-build-extensions version 3.0.0.9+r14588-9 failed to build on i386" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/755987
[14:08] <Sweetshark> pitti: fix would make the package build, but it would be still broken (which is why it wasnt updated at debian).
[14:10] <pitti> Sweetshark: just give a rationale on the bug, and subscribe ubuntu-archive
[14:10] <pitti> Sweetshark: and retitle the bug to something like "please remove ooo-b-e"
[14:17] <charlie-tca> Changed status of bug Done, you are now good until 2012-03-12. That will be a year, though,
[14:17] <charlie-tca> so let's get you into bugcontrol before it expires again. I know you
[14:17] <charlie-tca> Changed status of bug 836798 from fixed-released back to triaged
[14:17] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 836798 in at-spi2-core "natty to oneiric upgrade failed: Could not perform immediate configuration on 'python-pyatspi2'" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/836798
[14:18] <charlie-tca> many people are experiencing this issue some 10 days after it was fixed
[14:18] <bigon> ricotz: I've tested your gdm pkg, it doesn't fix the issue I've with the start of gnome-shell
[14:18] <bigon> :(
[14:19] <charlie-tca> Can I assign bug 845549 to the desktop team?
[14:20] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 845549 in lightdm "Do not ship /etc/lightdm/lightdm-gtk-greeter.conf" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/845549
[14:30] <ricotz> bigon, hmm, i guess lightdm works?
[14:30] <bigon> I should try
[14:30] <hallyn> is unity supposed to be working right now?
[14:30] <desrt> rodrigo_: hey
[14:30] <bigon> I get the same behaviour with "gnome classic (no effect) aka, metacity being started as gdm user
[14:31] <hallyn> ok - yeah i think i see the same as bigon
[14:40] <tkamppeter> someone can help me on lightdm/unity-greeter? It is still immediately segfaulting for me.
[14:43] <tkamppeter> Now I have lost access completely, I get "Could not update ICEAuthority file /home/till/.ICEAuthority", can someone tell me how to fix that?
[14:44] <bigon> hallyn: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdm/+bug/822253
[14:44] <ubot2`> Ubuntu bug 822253 in gdm "gdm's metacity stays running in the session that's started" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[14:45] <charlie-tca> tkamppeter: many times that error means root grabbed .ICEauthority. changing ownership back to the the user might work.
[14:46] <rodrigo_> hi desrt
[14:51] <tkamppeter> Anyone around who works on lightdm and/or unity-greeter?
[14:52] <pitti> tkamppeter: that's robert_ancell, but he's not online ATM
[14:52] <tkamppeter> pitti, so its all concentrated in AU and I have to wait for near midnight?
[14:53] <pitti> tkamppeter: or write a mail
[14:53] <tkamppeter> pitti, do you know about what ICEAuthority is?
[14:54] <pitti> tkamppeter: very similar to ~/.Xauthority apparently, but I don't know what that file is for
[14:55] <charlie-tca> tkamppeter: many times that error means root grabbed .ICEauthority. changing ownership back to the the user might work.
[14:55] <tkamppeter> pitti, I am completely locked out of my desktop, getting an error message  "Could not update ICEAuthority file /home/till/.ICEAuthority". I have already tried to delete the file but I still get the error message.
[14:56] <tkamppeter> charlie-tca, is there a quick fix or do I have to create a new user from scratch?
[14:56] <didrocks> tkamppeter: do what charlie-tca told, it fixes it
[14:56] <pitti> tkamppeter: anything helpful in /var/log/lightdm/lightdm.log?
[14:56] <tkamppeter> didrocks, I have deleted the file completely.
[14:57] <didrocks> pitti: people on the french forum got it regularly, I already pinged robert a month ago
[14:57] <didrocks> hum weird after a deletion
[14:57] <didrocks> normally, changing ownership, restarting the daemon, works
[14:58] <charlie-tca> tkamppeter: changing ownwership to the user is the quick fix; just use chown
[14:59] <tkamppeter> charlie-tca, but I already had deleted the file.
[14:59] <charlie-tca> If root recreated it as owner, it is still not going to work
[14:59] <tkamppeter> didrocks, charlie-tca, after deleting the file I have even rebooted, so the daemon must be restarted, too.
[15:00] <tkamppeter> charlie-tca, the file did not get recreated. It is still not present.
[15:00] <charlie-tca> oh
[15:00] <charlie-tca> now that's weird.
[15:00] <tkamppeter> pitti, my lightdm.log: http://paste.ubuntu.com/687672/
[15:01] <didrocks> tkamppeter: I get drop robert an email then, it's at least the perfect case for debugging
[15:01] <tkamppeter> charlie-tca, do you know what generates the .ICEAuthority file for a user when the account gets initially created?
[15:02] <charlie-tca> I don't. We see this problem often in Xubuntu, and changing ownership usually fixes it
[15:02] <tkamppeter> didrocks, only for the lightdm or also for the .ICEAuthority?
[15:03] <tkamppeter> charlie-tca, so better recreate the user account from scratch?
[15:04] <charlie-tca> I would try creating a new user, yes. Don't remove the old one until you know if the new one works
[15:04] <charlie-tca> (you can always copy .ICEauthority to the old user and try it
[15:05] <pitti> good night everyone!
[15:05] <didrocks> have a good night pitti
[15:06] <dholbach> hiya
[15:06] <dholbach> can somebody have a look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-artwork/+bug/837789 with me?
[15:06] <ubot2`> Ubuntu bug 837789 in ubuntu-artwork "should install gsettings override with dh" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[15:20] <tkamppeter> charlie-tca, I have a second user, which I have already for some time and it seems that he never had a .ICEAuthority file. He could always log in and now he cannot log in any more, too. Same error.
[15:25] <tkamppeter> charlie-tca, I created a new user now by "sudo adduser test2" and entering a password and a real name. Then I tried to log in as this user. Same error. He has also no .ICEauthority file.
[15:26] <tkamppeter> charlie-tca, so no chance to get a new .ICEAuthority file or to log into the desktop through another user.
[15:27] <tseliot> chrisccoulson: I managed to reproduce the issue. It says "suppressing non-inbox indicator in inbox-only-mode" but it's lying
[15:29] <tseliot> chrisccoulson: I received only 1 email in my inbox but I can also see 6 more folders in the indicator
[15:30] <tseliot> chrisccoulson: for example "Setting unread count for folder Builds (my email address here) to 3
[15:31] <tseliot> chrisccoulson: and then "Indicator for folder is already active"
[15:34] <charlie-tca> tkamppeter: I guess you should follow didrocks advice above, with email
[15:35] <tkamppeter> charlie-tca, yes, it is all the secret of the black magician Rober Ancell ...
[15:35] <charlie-tca> Yeah, I been fighting with lightdm bugs all this cycle now
[15:36] <charlie-tca> It's nice to have someone so dedicated to making it work, but it would really be helpful to have him around, too
[15:36] <tkamppeter> charlie-tca, and my .ICEAuthority problem is not even a LightDM problem, due to my LightDM-immediately-crashing problem I use GDM.
[15:36] <charlie-tca> ouch
[15:53] <chrisccoulson> tseliot, i'll have a look at that in a bit
[15:53] <tseliot> chrisccoulson: ok, thanks
[16:00] <tkamppeter> charlie-tca, found http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1081730&page=2 and tried to reset ownership of all dotfiles in the homedir, still same error.
[16:00] <tkamppeter> charlie-tca, seems that I have to wait for midnight CEST, the hour of black magicians ...
[16:01] <charlie-tca> heh, I know that feeling
[16:01] <ricotz> didrocks, hello, do you have time to sponsor this clutter-1.0 "sync" http://people.ubuntu.com/~ricotz/clutter/
[16:03] <didrocks> ricotz: hey is it a sync from debian? I can't find it from http://packages.qa.debian.org/c/clutter-1.0.html ?
[16:03] <ricotz> didrocks, yes, but it cant be uploaded there while the atk update is missing
[16:03] <ricotz> we have done the same with 1.7.14-1~svn1
[16:04] <didrocks> ricotz: sure then, one sec
[16:04] <ricotz> thanks
[16:08] <desrt> ricotz: you pinged?
[16:10] <ricotz> desrt, did i?
[16:10] <desrt> ricotz: ya.  a day or two ago
[16:10] <desrt> i forgot why :)
[16:10] <ricotz> desrt, oh, right, about the glib master tree
[16:10] <desrt> 'sup?
[16:11] <ricotz> is it going to be a next api stable release (2.32)?
[16:11] <desrt> oh.  yes.
[16:11] <desrt> i'm feeling better about glib 2 living forever
[16:11] <ricotz> ok, so no 3.0 hell ;)
[16:11] <desrt> mostly because i figured out how to fix the mainloop without deprecating everything
[16:11] <desrt> ya... exactly
[16:11] <ricotz> good
[16:11] <desrt> you think gtk2->gtk3 has been annoying?
[16:12] <desrt> take all that pain, double it, and add it back again
[16:12] <desrt> that would be glib4
[16:12] <desrt> so if we can avoid it, we should :)
[16:12] <ricotz> yeah, i figure that ;)
[16:12] <tkamppeter> charlie-tca, it seems that I have lost Unity, as compiz is currently not installable, perhaps this is what the black magician has to fix ...
[16:12] <ricotz> desrt, looking forward to gtk4 ;)
[16:12] <desrt> many are
[16:13] <desrt> it's due out in a couple of months now, right? ;)
[16:14] <ricotz> desrt, i guess so, since the start of libgail removal
[16:16] <desrt> we have so many major overhauls to do
[16:16] <desrt> the gail thing was actually a relatively minor one
[16:18] <didrocks> ricotz: done, thanks a lot :)
[16:18] <ricotz> desrt, i see, so all apps are catching up with gtk3 and then gtk4 comes ;P
[16:18] <ricotz> didrocks, thank you
[16:18] <didrocks> yw ;)
[16:19] <didrocks> tkamppeter: making partial upgrade ?
[16:19] <desrt> ricotz: many of the changes needed to port to gtk3 are sort of 'half way' between gtk2 and what 4 should probably look like
[16:19] <desrt> ricotz: so that invested effort was not wasted
[16:21] <ricotz> desrt, right, good to know
[16:21] <tkamppeter> didrocks, charlie-tca, I got my desktop back! http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=11239406 gave the hint to reinstall unity, and this macde me aware of that Unity got lost on my system. I did a sudo apt-get update and then reinstalled Unity and unity-2d and it works now.
[16:22] <tkamppeter> didrocks, charlie-tca, not perfectly, only with an immediate segfault of the window decorations, as usual ...
[16:23] <didrocks> tkamppeter: why unity got removed? have you made a partial upgade?
[16:25] <tkamppeter> didrocks, only the daily "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade".
[16:26] <didrocks> tkamppeter: yeah, so a partial upgrade if you told "yes" to "remove unity", what dist-upgrade enables you to do if you do it at the wrong time :)
[16:26] <tkamppeter> didrocks, charlie-tca, got segfaults in 4 or 5 essential desktop components and cannot report them as I have no keyboard in the session.
[16:26] <charlie-tca> tkamppeter: glad you got it back, at least
[16:28] <tkamppeter> didrocks, perhaps I simply once overlooked that it wanted to remove ubuntu-desktop, which means tear-down of most of the system/
[16:29] <didrocks> tkamppeter: I guess so :)
[16:29] <tkamppeter> didrocks, now I am reinstalling ubuntu-desktop and after that I will update my sytem to current state.
[16:31] <tkamppeter> didrocks, charlie-tca, now even lightdm works !!!
[16:32] <charlie-tca> great!
[16:35] <jbicha> tkamppeter: if the keyboard still works enough for you to switch to a virtual terminal, you can just run unity to reload your desktop
[16:36] <tkamppeter> charlie-tca, jbicha, didrocks, now everything seems to work, the keyboard, colord, ...
[16:36] <tkamppeter> charlie-tca, jbicha, didrocks, and no crash reports popping up!
[16:37] <tkamppeter> charlie-tca, jbicha, didrocks, my have-to-fix-with-black-magician-robert-ancell list is empty now.
[16:37] <didrocks> great
[16:37] <charlie-tca> Good!
[16:40] <tkamppeter> didrocks, charlie-tca, what I suspect what is wrong here is that some package dependencies are missing. As before I fixed my system, the system was consistent in terms of package dependencies as defined in the packages, but in reality there seem to be more dependeecies. And these non-fulfilled dependencies mostly showed themselves with segfaults instead of with clear error messages.
[16:46] <jbicha> didrocks: is bug 845653 fixed by bug 820266?
[16:46] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 845653 in gnome-shell "alt-f2 doesn't work in gnome-shell" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/845653
[16:46] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 820266 in compiz "CTRL+ALT+T doesn't open a terminal anymore" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/820266
[16:46] <didrocks> jbicha: not related at all I would say
[16:59] <ejat> hi .. anyone working on bug 811441
[16:59] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 811441 in dbus "Unable to connect to the system bus: Failed to connect to socket /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket: Connection refused (oneiric)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/811441
[17:00] <rodrigo_> out for a bit, later all!
[17:05]  * didrocks waves good evening!
[17:14] <jml> OK. This screen twitch is driving me bonkers.
[17:14] <jml> Nothing turns up in ~/.xsession-errors when it happens, and there's nothing new in /var/crash either.
[17:17] <jml> I've got a way of reproducing it, sort of.
[17:18] <jml> (Run tests for some Python software that consume a lot of CPU)
[17:43] <dobey> rodrigo_: still around?
[18:02] <czajkowski> aloha
[18:03] <czajkowski> i think i managed to kill my desktop https://twitter.com/#!/czajkowski/status/113310685118738432
[18:08] <dobey> is that amiga workbench?
[18:08] <dobey> fancy! :)
[18:11] <czajkowski> dobey: i wish
[18:12] <czajkowski> it's my oneiric desktop
[18:12] <czajkowski> that will not boot
[18:12] <czajkowski> i get to login and then that displays
[18:12] <dobey> switch to a vt and try "apt-get install --reinstall unity" ?
[18:14] <czajkowski> vt?
[18:14] <AlanBell> ctrl+alt+f1
[18:14] <czajkowski> i've gone to a terminal but it's not connecting to any mirror
[18:15] <czajkowski> so wondering if it's not picked up wifi
[18:15] <AlanBell> it won't pick up wifi, but if you can plug in a cable it should get an address
[18:16] <AlanBell> network manager needs you logged in to get the wifi access points and keys
[18:16] <czajkowski> mutters
[18:17] <AlanBell> you  *can* do it from the command line, but I can't remmember how to do that
[18:17] <czajkowski> in the middle of cooking a roast  chicken
[18:18] <jml> ... and now I become aware of how hungry I really am
[18:18] <czajkowski> roast chicken roast potatoes stuffing and vegies of all sort here
[18:18] <czajkowski> if i fix my laptop and dont burn them
[18:18] <AlanBell> nom
[18:19] <jml> czajkowski: yorkshire pudding?
[18:20] <jml> (perhaps one of Britain's best kept secrets)
[18:21] <davmor2> jml: don't go blarting it out everywhere, everyone will want some
[18:23] <czajkowski> jml: nope only with beef
[18:23] <davmor2> jml: they are more traditionally eaten with beef :)
[18:24] <jml> davmor2: tradition is there to be eaten!
[18:25] <davmor2> jml: good you eat tradition more Yorkies for me :D
[18:25] <jml> :)
[18:28] <czajkowski> oh thank you god
[18:28] <czajkowski> i can boot into unity 2d
[18:28] <czajkowski> whoo
[18:31] <ejat> czajkowski: :)
[18:32] <ejat> anyone know how to resize the unity panel ?
[18:32] <davmor2> czajkowski: try dpkg -l compiz
[18:32] <ejat> since in 11.04 in unity plugin in compiz
[18:33] <dobey> AlanBell: i thought that nm issue was resolved in the new version? it seemed to work for me in oneiric at least
[18:33] <czajkowski> if it asks to restart i'm not doing it
[18:33] <dobey> ejat: you can't really resize it. the ccsm UI has a thing to change it to a smaller size of 32px, but that's all there is
[18:34] <ejat> in oneiric cant resize u mean ?
[18:34] <AlanBell> dobey: well not really, I can't see nm connecting to hotspots before you have decided which user is going to log in
[18:34] <ejat> then y the unity plugin get conflict
[18:35] <dobey> AlanBell: it seemed to connect to the default/known AP for me
[18:35] <AlanBell> dobey: interesting!
[18:35] <dobey> eep
[18:35] <dobey> where the heck did "shutdown/restart" go?!
[18:35] <AlanBell> ejat: you can maximise it and then there are window buttons above the dash bit that belong to the dash
[18:36] <ejat> ok thanks ..
[18:36] <ejat> thunderbird / evolution will be default ?
[18:36] <dobey> must have crashed during dist-upgrade :(
[18:36] <dobey> ejat: tb is default
[18:37] <ejat> after i make evolution as default .. the thunderbird icon missing ;(
[18:38]  * ejat need to find in tb option to make tb as default back i guess
[18:46] <ejat> Configuration server couldn't be contacted: D-BUS error: Method "Set" with signature "s(is)" on interface "org.gnome.GConf.Database" doesn't exist
[18:46] <ejat> dobey: ?
[18:48] <dobey> why me? file a bug :)
[18:50] <dobey> AlanBell: yep; i just rebooted my laptop with oneiric on it, and have network without logging into gui; switched to vt an ifconfig -a shows me having proper IP and google.com resolved properly on DNS :)
[18:51] <ejat> :) okie ..
[18:53] <AlanBell> dobey: over wifi?
[18:53] <AlanBell> open access point or WPA?
[18:55] <dobey> AlanBell: wifi, wpa2
[18:55]  * AlanBell wonders how it got the password out of gnome-keyring
[18:55] <dobey> AlanBell: it didn't. new nm has a systemwide keyring for wifi passphrases
[18:56] <AlanBell> ooooh
[18:56] <dobey> i don't know if it does VPNs like that though.
[19:11] <ejat> dobey: y most of compiz effect conflict ? with ?
[19:16] <dobey> ejat: i don't know what you are asking
[19:17] <ejat> in 11.04 .. some of the compiz effect can enable .. but in oneiric its already been disable ?
[19:22] <dobey> ejat: i have no idea
[19:22] <ejat> dobey: ok thanks