[00:45] <shauno> I'm not sure I'll ever understand this country.  met eireann is giving us storm, flood and .. potato blight warnings?  http://met.ie/forecasts/warnings.asp
[00:46] <directhex> shauno: if there's a potato blight, everyone will starve
[00:47] <shauno> heh, I'm not going there ;)
[00:48] <shauno> wound up on a bus/tourist tour recently, where the driver kept getting stuck on the very same topic.  rather awkward
[00:57] <hamitron> my potato crop has been poor this year
[00:57] <hamitron> :/
[00:58] <directhex> you can't survive on a diet of only guinness, y'know. the potatoes are needed to supply the essential starch needed by the irish digestive system
[01:03] <shauno> I sometimes think not being able to live on guinness alone, is a purely budgetary constraint
[01:47] <ali1234> android browser does not support css fonts. or preformatted whitespace. or handle float:left properly
[01:55] <ali1234> lol i crashed the browsershots vm
[01:55] <ali1234> silly ie6
[01:55] <ali1234> i guess it does not like vendor specific unicode
[02:34] <ali1234> i think it's working now. teletext from 1996: http://al.robotfuzz.com/~al/teletext/
[02:38] <Azelphur> fun
[02:38] <ali1234> look at this aardvark: http://al.robotfuzz.com/~al/teletext/520.html
[02:38] <ali1234> btw, you can click page numbers to go to that page
[02:39] <ali1234> or the coloured fasttext links at the bottom work too
[02:39] <sammm> HazRPG: OMG dude I just went for a dump and so much blood come out of my arse and made the toilet all red. :(
[02:39] <sammm> And I ate a whole packet of high-fibre cereal too.
[02:40] <sammm> HazRPG: I'm also thinking of lowering my mouse sentivity from 55CM/360 back down to 45CM/360
[02:54] <sammm> HazRPG: My mouse mat is too small :(
[02:54] <sammm> HazRPG: But it was the biggest I could find online
[06:03] <kaushal> Hi
[06:03] <kaushal> I have followed https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KVM
[06:04] <kaushal> How do i reset root password of guest OS in KVM ?
[06:20] <Myrtti> the same way you would without KVM
[06:26] <kaushal> Myrtti: i did virt-viewer --wait vm3
[06:26] <kaushal> how do i get into grub prompt
[06:27] <kaushal> its 10.04
[06:28] <MartijnVdS> kaushal: just press escape (or turn on caps lock) when it's booting up, like on a normal machine?
[06:29] <kaushal> ok
[06:29] <MartijnVdS> another option is to stop the guest, mount its filesystem on the host, "fix" /etc/passwd, unmount and start the guest
[06:29] <MartijnVdS> but that's not always easy/possible
[06:29] <MartijnVdS> /etc/shadow*
[07:20] <directhex> woo 3g
[07:20] <kaushal> MartijnVdS: Thanks
[07:20] <kaushal> it worked
[07:20] <kaushal> Myrtti: thanks
[07:20] <kaushal> is there a way to check a specific server whose date is out of sync with the NTP Server ?
[07:20] <kaushal> in the form of shell script ?
[07:22] <popey> Morning all
[07:29] <jpds> kaushal: ntpq -p
[07:37] <christel> Good morning
[07:37] <MartijnVdS> \o christel
[07:37] <christel> hullu \o/
[07:37] <Myrtti> huh?
[07:44] <bigcalm> Morning peeps :)
[07:45] <christel> heya bigcalm, Myrtti <3
[07:45]  * bigcalm hugs christel and goes in search of coffee
[07:47] <diplo> Morning all
[08:00] <bigcalm> I can smell coffee!
[08:00]  * bigcalm still doesn't wake up
[08:06] <czajkowski> aloha
[08:07] <czajkowski> dates are out for FOSDEM 4&5th February
[08:08] <bigcalm> Morning czajkowski :)
[08:18] <directhex> czajkowski, i should write a talk! i like fosdem!
[08:18] <popey> i like it too
[08:18] <popey> I think I'll go this year
[08:20] <czajkowski> indeed
[08:26]  * AlanBell looks forward to more during the week type conferences
[08:27] <JamesTait> Happy Monday, everyone! :)
[08:29] <popey> Happy birthday JamesTait
[08:30] <bigcalm> Happy thingy wotsit JamesTait & S. Popey
[08:30] <bigcalm> -y
[08:36]  * directhex is on vdsl
[08:36] <ikonia> popey: ahh you're active
[08:37] <ikonia> popey: http://calculon.dnsdata.co.uk/images/stuff/popey-facebook.png
[08:38] <ikonia> popey: it came back, slightly different, but the same thing
[08:38] <bigcalm> directhex: Vino Drenched Sardines & Licorice?
[08:39] <directhex> "Very-high-bitrate digital subscriber line"
[08:39] <ikonia> directhex: finally on fibre
[08:39] <ikonia> directhex: any good
[08:40] <directhex> no word yet on reliability
[08:40] <directhex> speed is good
[08:40] <bigcalm> bt?
[08:42] <directhex> bigcalm, yeah
[08:43] <oimon> hmm getting a lot of referrer traffic on my blog from ibmforums.ibm.com but this seems to be some private ibm forum. anyone in here have access?
[08:55] <popey> ikonia: I have never even _seen_ that video
[08:56] <ikonia> popey: it's slightly different than normal as it normally looks like you've posted it, however this time it shows you like it
[08:57] <ikonia> in this situation I can't actually see where it's come from
[08:58] <popey> i never hit 'like' on 3rd party sites
[08:58] <ikonia> popey: I don't doubt it, I never hit like, I thought it was you last time as it appeared to come from you, however this time, I can't understand where it's come from / who's posted it
[08:58] <ikonia> it appears to be ever so slightly different
[08:59] <directhex> I hate hate hate sites which integrate with facebook
[08:59] <ikonia> (but the same video/base content)
[08:59] <directhex> facebook gives so little control over what bullshit gets posted to your wall (and therefore force-fed to your internet friends)
[08:59] <ikonia> directhex: it would appear that way, this one has me geniunly stumped of who/what posted it
[09:00] <ikonia> before it was clear popey posted it (even though he didn't) now, I can't work it out
[09:01] <directhex> faked "like" clicks, courtesy of dodgy javascript?
[09:01] <ikonia> I only posted it to show popey as I couldn't get a screen shot of it last time
[09:01] <ikonia> directhex: but normally it shows who posted it
[09:01] <ikonia> if you look att he screen shot it appears to have come from no-one
[09:02] <popey> what do you get if you hit the x?
[09:02] <ikonia> block or report as spam
[09:02] <popey> does it mention a group or person it came from?
[09:03] <popey> block it ☺
[09:03] <ikonia> hide all be kalau light saber
[09:03] <popey> also
[09:03] <popey> bright green scroll bars :D
[09:03] <ikonia> however I have no group or friend called that
[09:03] <directhex> like is a plague, because you can't block the source of a like
[09:03] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[09:03] <directhex> e.g. i block farmville, but if someone likes farmville spam, it appears in my feed
[09:03] <ikonia> popey: they are amaazing scroll bars !
[09:04] <oimon> "interesting" theme..
[09:06] <ikonia> just a basic dark one
[09:08] <directhex> 2011-09-12 10:07:52 (4.37 MB/s) - `ubuntu-11.04-desktop-i386.iso' saved [718583808/718583808]
[09:08] <popey> directhex: 3g?
[09:08] <directhex> 100%[[09:08] <popey> nice
[09:08] <bigcalm> Heh
[09:16] <AlanBell> directhex: have you wall mounted the white box?
[09:17] <directhex> AlanBell, not yet. i'd need to get some wall plugs of suitable lengths
[09:18] <directhex> although supposedly the 3rd-gen huawei doesn't fail so much under load
[09:18] <directhex> still gets hot, but cares less about it
[09:18] <AlanBell> does it have a big "2B" on the base?
[09:19] <AlanBell> the first one I had was the old model and cooked itself to crashyness within an hour
[09:22] <directhex> AlanBell, the 2B is 3rd gen
[09:22] <directhex> 2V is 2nd gen
[09:22] <Mez> Has anyone had Nvidia working on Natty?
[09:22] <Mez> Mine is still totally fucked.
[09:22] <AlanBell> I have a 2B now, it is wall mounted but seems cooler anyway
[09:23] <AlanBell> Language Mez!
[09:23] <directhex> i'll see how we go horizontally for now.
[09:23] <Mez> AlanBell: apologies.
[09:24] <popey> works for me
[09:25] <Mez> popey: Hmmles... mine won't work whatsoever... I can't get any kind of 3D acceleration.
[09:29] <popey> is nvidia-current installed?
[09:30] <popey> what do you have in /var/log/Xorg.0.log ?
[09:34] <Mez> Installed but not activated
[09:34] <ikonia> put it in your xorg to activate iut
[09:34] <ikonia> it
[09:35] <ikonia> xorg.conf even
[09:36] <Mez> seems to load compiz, but crashes
[09:36] <Mez> *** glibc detected *** compiz: corrupted double-linked list: 0x0000000001765260 ***
[09:36] <ikonia> disable compiz and test it
[09:36] <Mez> ikonia, huh?
[09:37] <Mez> I was referring to compiz there.
[09:37] <Mez> I'd ran it manuall
[09:37] <ikonia> so do you get a stable working nvidia accelerated enviornment without compiz running ?
[09:37] <Mez> I don't know.
[09:37] <ikonia> disable compiz and try it
[09:38] <Mez> I'm NOT running compiz.
[09:38] <ikonia> sorry, your line "seems to load compiz and crashes" suggested you where
[09:38] <popey> I still want to see Xorg.0.log
[09:38] <Mez> I attempted it to get the error log - then when it froze - replaced owith metacity
[09:39] <popey> have you rebooted since installing nvidia-current?
[09:39] <Mez> About 700 times.  I've been having to run Gnome-classic with no Desktop effects since Pre-Natty
[09:39] <gord> attempt again :)
[09:39] <Mez> glxgears runs @ 1200 FPS
[09:40] <gord> Xorg.0.log is the key here
[09:40] <Mez> So I'm presuming that's actually a stable 3d environment
[09:40] <Mez> My terminals playing up. one sec
[09:41] <Mez> http://paste.ubuntu.com/687501/
[09:41] <gord> glxgears is not a good indication of anything
[09:42] <popey> looks good
[09:42] <bigcalm> Looks pretty though
[09:43] <Mez> http://paste.ubuntu.com/687503/ before anyone asks
[09:43] <gord> isn't the 7300 that card that just bugs out all the time?
[09:44] <Mez> It never bugged out before though.
[09:45] <gord> Mez, right its the nvidia drivers or something, you might have more luck with Nouveau in accelerated mode to be honest. i was pleasantly surprised that it ran unity with all the bells and whistles just fine on my revo the other day
[09:46] <Mez> So, something that was previously supported is no longer supported after the drivers were updated.  Now I know that Canonical have no control over it... but man... That's f**king annoying
[09:46] <popey> s/canonical have no/nobody has any/
[09:47] <bigcalm> Mez: please try not to swear, even *ing out letters doesn't look nice
[09:47] <gord> sometimes there are bugs, nvidia don't reeeally care about old gpus in their new drivers
[09:48] <AlanBell> so noveau sounds like the way forward then
[09:48] <gord> nouveau has its own shedload of problems too :)
[09:49] <gord> depends if your usecase falls in line with them or not
[09:52] <oimon> having persistent problems with a particular .ashx feed in liferea. what other feed readers do people use?
[09:52] <oimon> my workaround is to add it to google reader and then add google reader to liferea :-S
[09:54] <bigcalm> The wind is now setting off car alarms
[09:54]  * bigcalm is alarmed
[09:55] <gord> because you are a car alarm too?
[09:55] <Mez> bigcalm: yes - I know - I'm just very very frustrated.
[09:56] <Mez> Now is about the time I'd be upgrading to +1.
[09:58] <oly> anyone here got any tips on helping bugs get resolved in particular i would like to see this one resolved https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/774385
[10:01] <bigcalm> oly: doesn't work in my studio either, though I've never looked for a fix as I have a usb sd card reader as well
[10:02] <oly> yeah, its annoying it used to work perfectly pre 10.04 and its still broken in 11.04
[10:02] <oly> i mean 11.04 and 11.10 its broke
[10:02] <oly> 10.10 it used to work perfectly
[10:03] <oly> want to try and get some tracktion behind it now, as once its released they dont seem as intrested in fixing bugs for a current release :)
[10:03] <AlanBell> oly: try and find out if the same hardware is in a certified laptop
[10:03] <oly> okay
[10:04] <AlanBell> http://www.ubuntu.com/certification/models?start=100&batch=50
[10:05] <bigcalm> Mine isn't on the list :(
[10:06] <oly> bigcalm, does everything else work on your laptop from livecd as this is the only thing i have found that does not
[10:06] <gord> one of the big reasons i bought the thinkpad X220 was that it was ubuntu certified :)
[10:07] <gord> or something akin to taht
[10:07] <gord> it was on an wiki ;)
[10:08] <oly> AlanBell, those models dont actually list the sd card reader device from what i can tell
[10:08] <davmor2> morning all
[10:08] <oly> lspci tells me its this SD Host controller: O2 Micro, Inc. Device 8120 (rev 01)
[10:08]  * davmor2 prods czajkowski  just to say hi
[10:08] <davmor2> MooDoo: anything?
[10:08] <AlanBell> oly: yeah, it isn't massively helpful they way they do that site
[10:09] <czajkowski> davmor2: oi oi 1 more day left me of me on irc before new job :)
[10:09] <davmor2> czajkowski: I know that's why I'm making the most of prodding you while I can :P prod
[10:10] <czajkowski> davmor2: :)
[10:10] <oly> bigcalm, have you subscribed to the bug,
[10:11] <oly> may help it get some traction if they can see more people with the issue
[10:18] <CaMason> guys, one of my staff is having issues whereby sometimes the screensaver will not close
[10:18] <CaMason> any thoughts on how to allow him to get back into his workstation?
[10:18] <gord> CaMason, ctrl+alt+f2; killall -9 gnome-screensaver
[10:19] <CaMason> um, 'touch: cannot touch `/tmp/test': Read-only file system'
[10:19] <CaMason> how on earth has that happened?
[10:20] <gord> CaMason, time to do a fsck - prolly why gnome-screensaver was going wonky
[10:20] <CaMason> I can write to /home/ different partition - same disk
[10:20] <MartijnVdS> yes
[10:21] <MartijnVdS> different partition = different file system, which might not be mounted read-only
[10:21] <gord> your root partition being read only is never a good thing ;)
[10:22] <CaMason> strange. This only becomes apparent when his screensaver is on
[10:22] <dogmatic69> unless its (readonly) friday
[10:22] <dogmatic69> :D
[10:23] <popey> or no print tuesday!
[10:30] <oimon> anyone know of a feed reader client that supports google reader folders/tags? (liferea doesn't)
[10:31] <bigcalm> 3.75MB/s - thank you Soundcloud for having decent pipes :)
[10:32] <bigcalm> Loads of Solidsteel podcasts to catch up on
[10:32]  * bigcalm be happy
[10:33] <directhex> CaMason, try "mount -o remount,rw /"
[10:38] <dogmatic69> could anyone shed some light on this? its happening every 20 seconds or so http://bin.cakephp.org/view/637732583
[10:39] <oimon> my 20 month-old son can count to 10 in even numbers only \o/
[10:40] <dogmatic69> oimon: time to start working on binary addition?
[10:41] <oimon> dogmatic69: maybe primes first :)
[10:44] <dogmatic69> anyone have an idea what the logs i pasted mean?
[10:54] <oimon> dogmatic69: is mysqld running?
[10:54] <dogmatic69> oimon: i believe so
[10:54] <dogmatic69> not using mysql on that box though
[10:56] <oimon> maybe that's what the errors are then, why not disable mysql from starting?
[10:59] <dogmatic69> ye, i stopped it now
[10:59] <dogmatic69> maybe should just apt-get remove it
[11:07] <daubers> Afternoon
[11:37] <ali1234> CaMason: does workstation have the "extra" screensavers installed? those can crash the machine
[11:38] <CaMason> it's running the 'electric-sheep' screensaver
[11:39] <CaMason> but it was crashing with the normal screensavers too. It just seems  little coincidental that the machine has often entered screensaver mode, then the drive goes RO.
[11:41] <smittix> Anyone had the "can't guess meta-package" Error on 11.10?
[11:41] <smittix> Can't update the system at all on a clean install of oniric
[11:47] <directhex> CaMason, did it remount rw okay?
[11:48] <CaMason> we rebooted and ran fsck
[11:48] <CaMason> at least, I think it did. I did `touch /forcefsck` and rebooted.
[11:56] <directhex> CaMason, ext3 or ext4?
[11:56] <CaMason> ext4
[11:57] <directhex> hm. i've encountered times in production where ext4 passes a fsck, but still throws up io errors
[11:57] <smittix> I don't like it how they have taken the options away to change theme options :/
[11:57] <smittix> Gnome-Tweak-Tool it is.
[11:58] <CaMason> I'm doing a full smart scan on the disk. He's using the machine at the moment
[11:58] <DJones> Is it wrong to check which way the wind is blowing you see a headline about an explosion at a nuclear power plant in France
[11:59] <smittix> DJones: No it's perfectly normal heh
[11:59] <DJones> Reading the headline again, nuclear plant rather than a power plant
[12:00] <smittix> DJones: Link?
[12:01] <DJones> smittix: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-14883521?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
[12:01] <smittix> :/
[12:01] <DJones> Just realised, one of my staff is going to France on holiday on Friday........ She might not be happy when she comes back in from her lunch
[12:02] <smittix> Or comes back from holiday with an extra toe.
[12:02] <DJones> The glow in the dark would be handy though in winter when she's riding her bike to work, it'll save on lights
[12:04] <jpds> DJones: Reflective gear.
[12:05] <smittix> Anyone any idea when AMD will be releasing their 11.9 Catalyst drivers?
[12:06] <directhex> smittix, before the end of the month.
[12:22] <smittix> directhex: Ta
[12:22] <MartijnVdS> isn't that like the Ubuntu release number though
[12:22] <MartijnVdS> it'll be 11.10 if they don't make it this month
[12:22] <smittix> Can't say I am liking the latest version of Ubuntu yet. But I also said that when 11.4 came out.
[12:22] <directhex> MartijnVdS, yes! 8D
[12:23]  * MartijnVdS uses the free ATI driver, no problems
[12:23] <MartijnVdS> even unity works
[12:25] <directhex> MartijnVdS, didn't support my card last time i tried
[12:31] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Paul Tansom] Auto naming terminal tabs - http://www.linuxlore.co.uk/2011/09/12/auto-naming-terminal-tabs/
[12:51] <directhex> well, 5 hours since getting infinity, and it hasn't randomly disconnected yet
[12:52] <Laney> what speed?
[12:52] <MartijnVdS> infinite?
[12:53] <directhex> Laney, 37M down, 8M up
[12:53] <MartijnVdS>  nice
[12:53] <Laney> neaty wheaties
[12:57] <oimon> E: Could not perform immediate configuration on 'unity-2d'. Please see man 5 apt.conf under APT::Immediate-Configure for details.
[12:57] <oimon> ugh
[14:03] <Azelphur> lol woo, finally convinced the shop that I bought my tablet PC from that it's actually meant to have a touch screen in it
[14:04] <Azelphur> and that touch screens are not optional on tablet PC's
[14:04] <dogmatic69> :D
[14:04] <Azelphur> that only took 1.5 weeks \o/
[14:04] <dogmatic69> what tab is that?
[14:04] <Azelphur> Inspiron mini duo
[14:04] <Azelphur> http://www.dell.com/us/p/inspiron-duo/pd \o/
[14:05] <oimon> how does it run with buntu?
[14:05] <Azelphur> seems to run ok, there's a couple little tweaks you have to do it
[14:06] <Azelphur> I was trying to get the touch screen to work for ages until I noticed there was no touch screen connected according to lsusb.
[14:07] <oimon> i suppose you had already trashed the windows that came with it?
[14:08] <Azelphur> yea
[14:08] <Azelphur> oimon: it actually came no OS, was a refurb
[14:08] <oimon> sweet..
[14:08] <oimon> except for the quality control
[14:08] <Azelphur> indeed
[14:09] <Azelphur> clearly it had a broken touch screen and someone stupid replaced the screen with a non-touch
[14:31] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Dan Fish] Deterring foxes, the arduino way - http://www.ossmedicine.org/home_automation/arduino/09/deterring-foxes-the-arduino-way/
[14:35] <TheFred> jacobw, A Big THANKYOU for all your help the other day with my networking problems
[15:11]  * oimon wonders how long linux.com and assoicated websites will be down for. Need a printer driver :(
[15:14] <gord> AlanBell, ping
[15:15] <bigcalm> Surely a bell goes ding, not ping?
[15:15] <gord> you are completely right
[15:15] <gord> AlanBell, ding
[15:16] <bigcalm> HEh
[15:17] <AlanBell> o/ gord
[15:18] <gord> AlanBell, so i asked about, "so the on-screen keyboard needs to get the window id of the window it's inputting into and set its WM_TRANSIENT_FOR hint to that window and its _NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE to _NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE_UTILITY"
[15:18] <AlanBell> ok
[15:18] <AlanBell> Pendulum: ^^
[15:20] <AlanBell> that sounds like a generically good thing for it to be doing to all windows right?
[15:20] <AlanBell> can it do that for the unity window?
[15:20] <xr1> Anyone know if it is possible to use a evolution backup in thunderbird mail?
[15:21] <gord> AlanBell, yup, unity has its own window for events
[15:24] <christel> oimon: its playing havoc with my upgrading freenode plans, as i was going to do a kernel upgrade of one of our servers :(
[15:24] <oimon> sux badly :(
[15:26] <davmor2> xr1: not that I'm aware of did a google search throw up anything obvious?
[15:27] <xr1> davmor2: No I couldn’t find much, that's why i asked here ;)
[15:27] <daubers> Anyone who is considering teaching new people to program should have a look at sense.open.ac.uk
[15:28] <daubers> It's a bit fisher price, but does look to get the basics across (without having to learn a language)
[15:54] <diplo> AlanBell: Was it you who had a friend in HP ?
[16:05] <AlanBell> diplo: it was TheOpenSourcerer
[16:06] <TheOpenSourcerer> Ahh - yes it was me.
[16:08] <diplo> ah, just saw on the Reigister thatHP staff are to get a delivery of 6k of Touchpads if you didn't get yours
[16:08] <diplo> Only for HP staff though
[16:08] <TheOpenSourcerer> Yes - I had an email from him this morning ;-)
[16:08] <TheOpenSourcerer> He has registered his interest...
[16:09] <diplo> Nice, well saw and thought I'd let you know
[16:09] <diplo> Well if he gets more than one :)
[16:09] <TheOpenSourcerer> I asked for two.
[16:12] <diplo> Well if he  wantsa little profit I'm up for 1 :)
[16:12] <diplo> Right, better go and take my boy to swimming lessons, catch you all later.
[16:28] <popey> TheOpenSourcerer: make it 3 :D
[16:29] <popey> TheOpenSourcerer: get me one and I'll take your turn to queue for beerex tickets :D
[16:33] <TheOpenSourcerer> Hey popey - it's probably too late - he put his order in this morning but you never know....
[16:33] <popey> heh
[17:45] <MartijnVdS> popey: http://www.newsbiscuit.com/2011/09/09/homeopathic-leak-threatens-catastrophe/
[17:45] <popey> haha
[17:48] <MartijnVdS> also, running in 50-60ish km/h winds is.. interesting :)
[17:48] <dutchie> my friend is cycling land's end to john o groats
[17:48] <dutchie> he's up in cumbria atm, and apparently the wind is sufficient to keep his bike at a 70 degree angle
[17:49] <MartijnVdS> dutchie: I can imagine
[17:49] <MartijnVdS> apparently it's even worse near the coast (here at least.. Cumbria is even closer to the "action")
[18:28] <shauno> curious.  that's not the first time that's happened today
[18:29] <MartijnVdS> shauno: what happened?
[18:30] <shauno> not sure.  my vps keeps dropping off irc.  but I'm not losing it via ssh
[18:30] <shauno> altho I might have a silly-long timeout on ssh.  I can never remember what I've played with
[18:35] <shauno> but I think if bitfolk were bouncing, it'd be a little more noticable.  fairly sure I'm not the only one in here
[18:43] <popey> shauno: o/
[18:52] <MartijnVdS> Great, Vodafone
[18:52] <MartijnVdS> Website claims: "Sorry you are not retainable. reason, you have a porting out request"
[18:52] <MartijnVdS> Store claims: "We don't see any active porting request on your account"
[19:25] <MartijnVdS> (I agree with the store, btw)
[19:49] <oimon1> anyone with experience of xfs_repair on large filesystems? using 100% and using 24GB RAM and taking couple of hours on a 10TB filesystem
[20:18] <oimon1> ah found a workaround :)
[20:18] <oimon1> ctrl-c
[20:18] <safiyyah> howdy
[20:19] <popey> hi
[20:20] <TheFred> hello!
[20:20] <safiyyah> what are you all up to??
[20:20] <TheFred> me? I'm waiting for my android emulator to boot so i can test my code
[20:21] <TheFred> what about you safiyyah ?
[20:21] <TheFred> meh! and its all gone wrong...
[20:21] <safiyyah> lol
[20:22] <safiyyah> well kids went to bed, felt lonely came to see what was going on around here
[20:22] <safiyyah> in geek land
[20:22] <popey> :D
[20:23] <TheFred> safiyyah, there's some googd games on google+...
[20:23] <safiyyah> ha
[20:23] <TheFred> I like edgeworld
[20:23] <safiyyah> i do like some card games
[20:24] <safiyyah> but it will excite me and put me at 100% alert
[20:24] <safiyyah> I need to sleep in about an hour
[20:24] <TheFred> nah! its quick at a first, but then as you level up its a waiting game
[20:24] <TheFred> .. but then i styart playing in different secors ata the same time while im waiting for upgraded
[20:24] <TheFred> *upgrades
[20:25] <Azelphur> if we're talking about good linux games, hedgewars
[20:25] <Azelphur> really, hedgewars...if you havn't tried it yet, hedgewars
[20:25] <Azelphur> if you don't like games, I don't care. Play hedgewars :D
[20:25] <safiyyah> lol
[20:25] <TheFred> oh gawd, the 'droid emu is trying to boot a virtual device with a 120080 x 800 screen on a my machine which on has a 1024 screen...
[20:25] <safiyyah> I think I would rather watch a korean drama than the game TheFred
[20:25] <TheFred> fair enough
[20:26] <TheFred> Azelphur, yea, Hedgewars rocks
[20:26] <Azelphur> indeed
[20:26] <Azelphur> they are porting it to android
[20:26] <Azelphur> DO WANT.
[20:26] <TheFred> +1
[20:27] <TheFred> they... the internet ninja's...
[20:27] <TheFred> perfecting their arts of porting foo
[20:27] <Azelphur> hehe
[20:28] <TheFred> I take my hat off to an effort like that, I do a lot of 'droid dev work and its NOT easy
[20:28] <TheFred> That will make online games more interesting tho.. assuming (hoping) they can all use the same game-servers
[20:30] <Azelphur> yea :)
[20:31] <Azelphur> TheFred: if your brave there's an alpha in the market, crashes a lot though
[20:32] <TheFred> doubt it'll work on my phone, its a real cheap droid - zte racer : 128 Mb internal ram, and 500Mhz
[20:33] <Azelphur> TheFred: I bought my mum a ZTE Blade, very nice phone :)
[20:36] <TheFred> yea, i only use cheap pnes because dev work can hammer them, esp with gps testing in all weathers...
[20:36] <Azelphur> hehe
[20:36] <Azelphur> I have a desire Z :D
[20:37] <TheFred> those phones rock
[20:37] <TheFred> well-build, very decent display, and rapid to use
[20:37] <Azelphur> hehe
[20:38] <TheFred> today i'm having hassles with virtual devices not playing ball for some reason... you'd think that with them being virtual theyd behave same every day, but nooooo.....
[20:42] <safiyyah> I was in love with my HTC until I saw my friends Samsung
[20:45] <Azelphur> safiyyah: welcome to my world
[20:48] <TheFred> So i'm going to install the x86 port of droid to my spare pc to help speed up my dev work
[20:49] <aquarius> right, let's canvass #ubuntu-uk for opinions on my NAS choices.
[20:49] <popey> !ask
[20:49] <popey> no
[20:49] <popey> !best
[20:49] <popey> :D
[20:50] <mgdm> aquarius: you already have my opinion :)
[20:50] <aquarius> I'm trying to decide between a D-Link DNS-320 and an HP microserver.
[20:50] <popey> mgdm: what did you suggest?
[20:50] <mgdm> popey: HP, on the basis it's more likely to be fixable if it goes boom
[20:50] <popey> ahh
[20:50] <popey> how many usb ports does the dlink have?
[20:51] <mgdm> (I'm getting one, soonish)
[20:51] <aquarius> D-Link thing. Pros: is £65. Does what I want, broadly (UPnP streaming of music/video, takes my 1TB SATA drive, BT client), theoretically expandable to run whatever I want through fun_plug, silent. Cons: will format my drive when I put it in, not as expandable as a real server.
[20:51] <Myrtti> i vote for hp too
[20:52] <popey> aquarius: have you asked twitter and/or Google+?
[20:53] <aquarius> HP microserver. Pros: is a real server that I can install whatever I want on. Less likely to go mysteriously belly-up if my house gets struck by lightning again. Can expand with new hardware in the future. Cons: is twice as expensive. Is four times as expensive until I send a form in the post (!) to HP. Have to install Ubuntu and server software myself, which is hassle. Not silent.
[20:53] <aquarius> popey, I have indeed
[20:54] <popey> get someone else to do the install for you :D
[20:54] <aquarius> my basic question boils down to: am I prepared to pay extra money and extra hassle (send form in post, install Ubuntu myself, be a sysadmin which I hate doing) just in order to (a) give me future expandability, and (b) not have to copy all the data off my 1TB drive and then back on again afterwards?
[20:55] <aquarius> and I have spent all day vacillating about what my answer to this question is :)
[20:55] <popey> i have gone from one disk in my hp...
[20:55] <popey> to 4x2TB in RAID 10.
[20:55] <popey> because I hoard data
[20:56] <popey> /dev/mapper/data-data 2.9T  2.1T  673G  77% /srv
[20:57] <aquarius> see, if I have to even think the phrase "RAID 10", or look at dev/mapper, whatever the byOurLady hell that is, then I have lost. This is what concerns me about buying a server; my days of fiddling with stuff so I can make the stream to PS3 work are in the past :)
[20:57] <Myrtti> I need brainbleach
[20:57]  * StevenR wishes the price of 2TB disks would drop a little
[20:58] <aquarius> popey, also, you're not kidding you hoard data if you've got 2.9TB lyingn around.
[20:58] <popey> aquarius: backups of lug.org.uk :()
[20:58] <popey> amongst other stuff
[20:58] <aquarius> popey, oh, right, fair play then
[20:58] <TheFred> Myrtti, brainbleach? wassat?
[20:58] <Myrtti> I read aquarius' text and my inner voice imitates a certain Stuart...
[20:58] <TheFred> ah..
[20:58] <Myrtti> get im off me brain aaarrrggghhh
[20:59] <popey> aquarius: would you like me to buy an HP microserver, install Ubuntu on it, get the cash back and then send it to you and invoice you?
[20:59] <TheFred> lool Myr
[20:59] <TheFred> * Myrtti
[21:00] <aquarius> popey, no. the problem isn't installing Ubuntu -- I have no problem with that (that's not even hassle, really). It's that at some point after that I'll install, say, mediatomb to stream to my PS3, and then that won't work. And I'll have to go dig through forum posts to find out why, and then ssh in and tweak a config file, and, and, and, life's too short. :)
[21:00] <aquarius> which is how I feel about it 75% of the time.
[21:00] <popey> I could offer a remote support contract
[21:00] <aquarius> in the old days I found that stuff *fun*, but the fun in it has sorta disappeared :)
[21:00]  * aquarius laughs
[21:00] <aquarius> you saw above how I can pay less on the hardware and have it work, right? :)
[21:01] <Myrtti> aquarius: you need an in-house geek
[21:01] <aquarius> Myrtti, sure thing. If you know of one, say the word
[21:01] <aquarius> ideally she'd like me, but I can live without. :)
[21:01] <popey> arent you moving down here to the tropical prosperous south?
[21:01] <popey> where the roads are paved with servers
[21:02] <aquarius> nope. It's the glorious Midlands for me :)
[21:03] <aquarius> so: opinions welcomed. You have about 40 minutes to give me your thoughts, and then I'm buyingn something from ebuyer so it arrives tomorrow :)
[21:03] <aquarius> hm, the HP will let me actually get going on it tomorrow. The D-Link won't, because I'll have to copy all the data off my drive first. Advantage Microserver, there.
[21:03] <popey> My opinion is thus:- Buy an HP microserver, do a base install of Ubuntu, ping someone (me happily) here to add whatever other bobbins you want and you're set
[21:04] <aquarius> popey, assume that I don't want to do things other than media stuff with it, for the purposes of this argument. You really think it's worth twice as much money?
[21:04] <StevenR> yes
[21:04] <aquarius> I look forward to hearing justifications thereof :)
[21:05] <Myrtti> I'd offer my services too but I've got too unpredictable schedule
[21:05] <StevenR> (I know I'm not popey, but the microserver is more expandable, almost a proper server, probably faster)
[21:05] <bigcalm> aquarius: At some point you'll think "I wish this thing could do XYZ. Should have bought that micro server"
[21:05] <popey> +1
[21:06] <bigcalm> Good evening btw
[21:06] <aquarius> StevenR, if I just want media stuff, though, what does expandability and proper-serverness buy me? It just has to sit there in a corner and export samba shares. the NAS can do that.
[21:06] <popey> more space
[21:06] <popey> you can add disks to it
[21:06] <popey> you could add an optical drive to it
[21:06] <aquarius> bigcalm, aha, that's why the fun_plug stuff is interesting. the NAS can run additional programs.
[21:06] <popey> to enable you to rip stuff
[21:06] <Myrtti> mpd
[21:06] <popey> nowhere near as much stuff
[21:06] <popey> aquarius: backups of your laptop
[21:06] <aquarius> popey, the NAS has two drive slots, and I've only got a half full 1TB drive right now -- disc space is not likely to cause me a problem, I don't think, although I'm open to challenge on this point.
[21:07] <popey> do you use get_iplayer
[21:07] <popey> ?
[21:07] <aquarius> popey, agreed that fun_plug can do abouut 20 things and Ubuntu can do 20,000 :)
[21:07] <aquarius> I don't use get_iplayer, or when I do it's rare
[21:07] <aquarius> backups are in U1. :)
[21:08] <Myrtti> proxy
[21:08] <aquarius> proxy?
[21:08] <popey> not much use when you have only one computer
[21:08] <popey> useful for people like me with 8 computers on  :D
[21:08] <aquarius> why would I want a proxy server?
[21:08] <popey> you probably dont, some people do, you dont
[21:08] <Myrtti> to have an ip in uk
[21:08] <popey> oh, that
[21:08] <aquarius> I already have an IP in the UK :)
[21:08] <Myrtti> when travelling
[21:09] <aquarius> ah, right. Don't need that.
[21:09] <Myrtti> gj
[21:09] <popey> ohhohhohh!
[21:09] <StevenR> aquarius: you could also stack the microserver out with RAM and play with VMs
[21:09] <popey> a know why you need a proxy
[21:09] <popey> so you can make U1 work with proxies!
[21:09] <popey> HAH!
[21:09] <aquarius> popey, I saw that coming. :)
[21:09] <popey> :D
[21:10] <aquarius> StevenR, I could do, true. I could also stack the microserver out with wool and then play with knitting, and I don't wanna do that either ;)
[21:10] <Myrtti> knitting ♥
[21:10] <aquarius> see, this is what worries me: most (not all) of the cool stuff that you can do with a real server (as opposed to a limited-use NAS) is stuff I don't really wanna do, and it'll cost me extra money for the privilege
[21:10] <aquarius> hence my vacillation :(
[21:11] <popey> do get the dlink then?
[21:11] <StevenR> aquarius: what are you precise requirements?
[21:11] <Myrtti> http://m.flickr.com/#/photos/myrtti/6053606228/in/set-72157627455086640/ ;-)
[21:11] <StevenR> just serving audio and files? Anything else?
[21:11] <aquarius> popey, if it didn't wipe my drive I'd have already bought it. My other question is: am I prepared to pay an extra £165 just to avoid copying all the data off? Which I might be ;)
[21:12] <aquarius> StevenR, er, I think that's it. (Not even sure I need serving files or audio. Just video.) BT client for extra credit.
[21:12] <StevenR> aquarius: you *will* want to add more disk later.
[21:12] <StevenR> eventually.
[21:12] <aquarius> extra extra credit: be able to be put in my car and taken to dad's house, there to act as a USB device to be plugged into his computer so I can download things on his behalf.
[21:13] <aquarius> StevenR, sure I will. The D-Link has two slots for drives. So I could put 2x2TB in it. By the time I've filled that, there will be 4TB drives or something
[21:14] <aquarius> I suppose it's possible that I'll suddenly discover a need for 4 separate drives, but at that point (I need 8TB of data storage) I'm bottlenecking on my internet connection to download all that anyway :)
[21:15] <aquarius> I can't decide whether my problem is that I'm indecisive or whether the two things are genuinely about evenly matched.
[21:15] <aquarius> which is in itself indecisive :)
[21:15] <popey> i have a co-worker who has a nas type thing
[21:15] <popey> bufallo iirc
[21:15] <popey> he does the copying files around dance now and then
[21:15] <popey> but he has a couple of computers and photos and stuff
[21:16] <aquarius> downsides with NASes: 1. they lie about whether they work or not (my existing one never worked *properly*), 2. not as expandable, 3. less robust (which is why current one is dead; house got struck by lightning)
[21:16]  * StevenR has a DAS instead
[21:16] <bigcalm> aquarius: so the ethernet ports on the router I gave you did work, it was just your NAS that was buggered?
[21:17] <StevenR> though I've not got any disks for it yet
[21:17] <aquarius> bigcalm, indeed, which I was just about to confess :)
[21:17] <bigcalm> \o/
[21:17] <aquarius> bigcalm, it finally occurred to me that I could plug my laptop into the router to see if they worked
[21:17] <aquarius> and they were perfect
[21:17] <aquarius> nas fail
[21:17] <bigcalm> Yay and bummer
[21:18] <aquarius> frustration!
[21:19] <aquarius> T minus 30 minutes and counting.
[21:19] <aquarius> Currently leaning towards the microserver
[21:19] <aquarius> although my inner Scrooge is horrified that I'm basically prepared to pay £165 to save myself a few days of waiting and copying files around. :)
[21:19] <popey> it will put fun back into computing dude
[21:19] <popey> the dlink i just an appliance
[21:20] <popey> designed for joe-dipstick
[21:20] <popey> are you joe-dipstick?
[21:20] <popey> or are you better than that?
[21:20] <popey> hmm?
[21:20] <aquarius> popey, ah, I am expecting all my fun-by-poncing-around credits to get used up by the raspberry-pi in two months. ;)
[21:20] <StevenR> aquarius: the microserver will be the better bet in the log run.
[21:20] <popey> which will go in a drawer and never be used
[21:20]  * StevenR wants a raspberry pi too
[21:21] <StevenR> I wonder if it can be a myth frontend
[21:21] <aquarius> heh. I would quite like the *option* of being Joe Dipstick sometimes. It's not that I always hate fiddling -- I mean, my job's in computing, right? -- but sometimes it'd be nice to not *have* to.
[21:21] <aquarius> StevenR, it can, as long as your videos are encoded right.
[21:21] <popey> shame it cant run ubuntu
[21:21]  * aquarius is debating building an e-ink book reader with it :)
[21:21] <ali1234> you mean, shame ubuntu chose not to support it?
[21:21] <StevenR> aquarius: well. They're encoded as the mythbox records the DVB stream
[21:22] <aquarius> popey, yeah. That's our fault rather than theirs though :)
[21:22] <aquarius> StevenR, ya, so you get to transcode
[21:22] <popey> ali1234: did they ask for help then?
[21:22] <popey> or just a byproduct of canonical dropping some arm revs?
[21:22] <ali1234> that
[21:22] <popey> right
[21:22] <StevenR> aquarius: booooo
[21:23] <ali1234> not that ubuntu would run well on it anyway
[21:23] <popey> well, there is that ☺
[21:23] <aquarius> it's a bit short of ram, indeed :)
[21:23] <ali1234> i mean i can understand dropping armv5 when your distro need 4gb to run nice
[21:25] <ali1234> i'll probably get one if it is really as cheap as they say
[21:25] <aquarius> 'zactly. £25? can't go wrong
[21:26] <ali1234> i hope it has a nice programmable dsp though
[21:26] <aquarius> dunno
[21:26] <ali1234> otherwise it's useless, might as well get a maple mini or something
[21:26] <aquarius> the media stuff is some clever broadcom thing
[21:26] <aquarius> "useless" is a bit strong :)
[21:26] <ali1234> yeah it will be binary drivers
[21:27] <aquarius> the maple thingy is more like an arduino than a real computer, isn't it?
[21:27] <ali1234> most likely outcome, you will only be able to use the dsp for opengl-es, and only if you use the specific supported versions of xorg and the kernel
[21:28] <ali1234> the raspberry is also more like an arduino than a real computer
[21:28] <ali1234> pretty much the only difference between it and the maple is it has (probably proprietary) video out and more ram
[21:28] <popey> do we have a BOM of the Raspberry Pi yet?
[21:29] <ali1234> yes
[21:30] <ali1234> it's a BCM2835
[21:32] <TheFred> hey folks, which is the best route to go for starting my own open source project?
[21:32] <AlanBell> don't!
[21:33] <AlanBell> find the one someone else has already started that does the thing you want to do
[21:33] <aquarius> you jest, surely. The raspi has ethernet, two proper USB ports, HDMI out.
[21:33] <AlanBell> aquarius: it is an SOC :)
[21:33] <AlanBell> all you need to know is the C
[21:33] <TheFred> thanks AlanBell
[21:34] <AlanBell> aquarius: it also has composite out
[21:34] <aquarius> AlanBell, yeah, I was responding to ali1234 claiming that a maple is the same thing :)
[21:34] <AlanBell> ah, ok
[21:34] <hamitron> AlanBell: surely never starting something new, reduces the chances of new ideas? ;)
[21:34] <AlanBell> I was urging them to move the ethernet port so it has a free side, which would allow it to slide into a keyboard
[21:35] <AlanBell> hamitron: first prove that it is a new idea
[21:35] <aquarius> yeah, quite a few people have said "it would be nice if there weren't ports on all four sides" :)
[21:35] <ali1234> TheFred: just start writing it
[21:35] <aquarius> nihil sub sole novum.
[21:36] <hamitron> ali1234: "just do it"
[21:36] <AlanBell> aquarius: so it would have USB on the left, power and ethernet on the back and HDMI on the right
[21:36] <hamitron> :D
[21:36] <popey> Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum videtur.
[21:36]  * aquarius laughs 
[21:36] <AlanBell> and would slide into the top right corner of a keyboard with the USB slot making the connection into the keyboard
[21:36] <TheFred> ali1234, thats one way to go, I'm considering starting a different approach to voice recognition via an android app
[21:36] <aquarius> indeed it does :)
[21:38] <ali1234> do not attempt to build "an open source project"
[21:38] <ali1234> just write the software
[21:38] <ali1234> attempting to build a community around vapourware never ever works
[21:39] <bigcalm> Start coding on things to amuse yourself or address a problem you've been having and aren't satisfied with what's out there
[21:39] <bigcalm> TheFred: ^^
[21:39] <TheFred> good point
[21:39]  * popey resists posting the url which has a very rude word in it
[21:39] <popey> but has programming mother in it
[21:39] <hamitron> popey: pm it?
[21:39] <hamitron> ;)
[21:40] <bigcalm> hamitron: it's easy to guess
[21:40] <bigcalm> :)
[21:40] <hamitron> haha
[21:40] <hamitron> ofc
[21:40] <hamitron> :)
[21:46] <Azelphur> popey: would the hp microserver be good as a mythtv front/backend?
[21:47]  * hamitron thinks it would lack grunt for the backend
[21:50] <ali1234> the backend is very light
[21:50] <Azelphur> transcoding?
[21:50] <hamitron> even recording?
[21:50] <ali1234> recording is trivial
[21:51] <ali1234> transocding is pointless, why would you ever want to do that?
[21:51] <Azelphur> isn't the advert detection expensive
[21:51] <ali1234> somewhat
[21:51] <ali1234> but it rarely works anyway
[21:52] <Azelphur> lol
[21:52] <hamitron> I'd get something with a faster cpu, just cuz you can
[21:52] <hamitron> :)
[21:54] <hamitron> I keep getting tempted to get one, just to "save" £100
[21:54] <hamitron> :/
[21:54] <Azelphur> yea, as I say it needs to be a frontend anyway
[21:54] <Azelphur> atm I have an old P4 3ghz with 1GB RAM doing it
[21:54] <Azelphur> and it's a bit sluggish, and I'm out of hdd space
[21:54] <ali1234> for frontend you need good graphics
[21:55] <hamitron> P4 3ghz will be faster
[21:55] <hamitron> won't it?
[21:55] <ali1234> nooooooooo
[21:55] <AlanBell> you need a good power to fan ratio
[21:55] <Azelphur> It's got a 9500GT for graphics
[21:55] <Azelphur> :D
[22:13] <Azelphur> Anyone feel like giving me some git(hub) help for a bit? :P
[22:48] <Azelphur> this is so frustrating, I've almost spent more time trying to figure out how to use git than I did writing the code I'm trying to submit
[22:48] <Azelphur> :/
[22:48] <The_Fred> Azelphur, is that via sourceforge?
[22:49] <Azelphur> no, github
[22:54] <gord> pretty much why i don't like git much
[22:54] <gord> every time i have to use it i have to relearn it and its never natural
[22:54] <Azelphur> lol
[22:55] <gord> evern simple things just have weird naming
[22:57] <Azelphur> I just want to undo a commit I made to github
[22:57] <Azelphur> and it's driving me insane :/
[22:57] <The_Fred> Azelphur, i just seen with my sourceforge account that there is an option to have a Git project...
[23:02] <Azelphur> woo did it
[23:06]  * The_Fred offers Azelphur  a biscuit to help celebrate
[23:29] <Azelphur> popey: https://github.com/MostAwesomeDude/bravo/pull/343 woo my first being useful :D
[23:29] <popey> \o/
[23:29] <popey> why not use the same format as mc?
[23:29] <Azelphur> I did?
[23:30] <popey> tp popey Azelphur
[23:30] <popey> tp Azelphur popey
[23:30] <popey> so tphere is kinda redundant
[23:30] <popey> tppos is handy tho
[23:30] <Azelphur> oh yea, dunno why I didn't do it the same way
[23:30] <popey> heh
[23:30] <popey> nvm
[23:30]  * popey files a bug
[23:30] <Azelphur> *shrug*
[23:30] <Azelphur> noooo >.< lol
[23:30] <popey> :D
[23:30] <popey> j/k
[23:31] <Azelphur> lol