micahgScottK: it'll probably be another couple days before I can get access to the porter boxes, can probably look at kdesdk in time for beta 2, but we'll be pushing it03:08
apacheloggermorning bambee08:34
apacheloggerbambee: I am sure you want to get a feature freeze exception for bluedevil? ;)08:34
* bambee needs a coffee first08:34
bambeeapachelogger: after my coffee, sure, why not08:35
apacheloggerbambee: did we land touchegg 1 yet?08:40
bambeeno, since touchegg 0.9 is not entirely in archives (touchegg-gui still needs reviews)08:42
apacheloggerbambee: go find someone to reviw then :P09:21
apacheloggerreview even09:22
bambeeI talk about this package since a while now... :)09:22
bambeethe person who will review touchegg-gui will win cookies and chocolate :P09:23
apacheloggershadeslayer: I definitely need some ical parser09:33
apacheloggershadeslayer: brisbane made qtorganizer happen09:33
apacheloggerwhich explains a whole lot09:33
valoriedo we really have a meeting in 15 mins?09:46
valorieand if so, here or in #ubuntu-meeting ?09:47
apacheloggervalorie: it aint 10pm utc09:50
=== apachelogger changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu: Friendly Computing | Feature Freeze in effect - 11.10 Beta 1 Released | TODO: http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-oneiric/group/topic-oneiric-kubuntu.html | TODO: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/Packaging | Kubuntu Meeting at Tue 13th of september at 22:00 UTC
valorieI missed the "pm" part09:51
valorieUTC to me is always 24 hour time09:51
valorieok, see you in 12 hours then09:52
apacheloggerScottK: bug 84855210:33
ubottuLaunchpad bug 848552 in kubuntu-meta (Ubuntu) "kubuntu-desktop is strictly depends on OpenGL implementation of KWin" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/84855210:33
apacheloggerIMHO invalid, if you use the opengles version you do not have a certified kubuntu-desktop no moar10:33
=== ghostcube_ is now known as ghostcube
ScottKDoesn't the opengles version provide kwin?11:09
ScottKmicahg: No one else has hardware and has volunteered to consider it, so whatever you can do, I appreciate.11:10
apacheloggerScottK: supposed to11:10
ScottKThen it should work out fine if one replaces them and the bug's invalid that way.11:11
ScottKapachelogger: Doesn't: Provides: x-window-manager11:12
ScottKThen that's the bug.  I'll fix that in bzr and comment in the bug.11:12
ScottKapachelogger: You agree on that, right (as I now see you marked the kde-workspace task invalid)?11:13
apacheloggerswap the marking :P11:14
apacheloggerit is a travelling bug that one ^^11:14
ScottKDone in bzr.11:23
ScottKmicahg: Should was ask cjwatson to consider it in his 5-a-day campaign?11:35
ryanakca_apachelogger: Ticket's been filed. When I asked about our other ticket (concerning what I think is a security vulnerability in our site), they said it wasn't release critical. I asked them if this ticket would be and they said it would.11:38
apacheloggerpossible security problem < new theme?11:42
ScottKSeparate issue.11:43
=== ryanakca_ is now known as ryanakca
* bambee found nobody to review touchegg-gui, he will drown his sorrows in alcohol11:46
* apachelogger has failed to look for a flat for 3 months and will have to sleep under a bridge11:47
apacheloggerkubotu: order vodka11:47
* kubotu slides vodka down the bar to apachelogger11:47
* bambee drinks whisky and pokes apachelogger "the butterfly"11:47
ScottKapachelogger: Then quick review touchegg-gui while you still have internet.11:47
bambeehe has already reviewed it :)11:47
apacheloggerbambee: no poking in family friendly channels, that will cause all sorts of troubles11:47
apacheloggerScottK: despite what Quintasan says, I do work at times11:48
apacheloggerafter all, I somehow had to distract myself from looking for a flat11:48
ScottKOK.  Then Quintasan should review it for his sins.11:48
apacheloggereasier said then done, he is distracting himself with skateboarding from doing actual work11:49
ScottKSo what he really needs is a skateboarding injury that doesn't involve anything above the waist.11:50
apacheloggerScottK: should I put someone on it?11:58
ScottKDo we have anyone else in Poland to do it?11:58
apacheloggerthe artist11:59
ScottKWell then, Quintasan will get to reviewing if he knows what's good for him.11:59
_Groo_Quintasan: ping12:36
_Groo_hi/2 all12:36
_Groo_Quintasan: kde-config-telepathy-accounts-plugins is broken in ppa12:37
_Groo_Quintasan: someone needs to change the hard version number in kde-config-telepathy-accounts-plugins : Depends: libkcmtelepathyaccounts4 (= 0.1.0+20110831-0~natty1) but 0.1.0+20110911-0~natty1 is installed12:37
ScottK_Groo_'s presence reminds me we ought to discuss shipping old koffice versus calligra beta for oneiric.12:37
ScottKapachelogger: ^^^ thoughts?12:37
apacheloggerkill koffice, kill it with fire12:38
ScottKI think _Groo_ has packages for Calligra.12:41
ScottKIf you can review/file FFe, I'll approve and then you can upload.12:41
_Groo_ScottK: i do have packages for calligra yes :) but i did the backport to natty12:41
_Groo_ScottK: wasnt someone else doing them in debian that we were going to pull from bla bla bla...12:42
ScottKRight, but forward porting that to oneiric might be relatively easy?12:42
ScottKIn theory.12:42
_Groo_ScottK: yeah, should be really easy yes12:42
* ScottK doesn't recall.12:42
_Groo_ScottK: k, i can upload them to my ppa for review this weekend (im gonna be hacking on my hp touchie anyway)... 12:43
* ScottK looks at apachelogger.12:43
_Groo_ScottK: im gonna upload to natty and oneiric and see what breaks in oneiric12:43
_Groo_could someone for the love of computing god fix the telepathy-kde ppa!!!12:43
apacheloggerScottK: I still don't have a flat12:45
apacheloggerand instead of looking for one I am now reverse engineering crappy web apis :S12:46
claydoh_Groo_:  I am tempted to copy telepathy-kde pkgs to my one ppa just to fix that!! 12:56
claydohbut i have little clue on how to fix it12:56
* claydoh hearts telepathy-kde12:56
apacheloggerbroken by design.13:00
apacheloggermuch like python13:01
apacheloggerbug 84893713:01
ubottuLaunchpad bug 805303 in qt4-x11 (Ubuntu) "duplicate for #848937 vlc : Gtk-CRITICAL **: IA__gtk_widget_style_get: assertion `GTK_IS_WIDGET (widget)' failed with the default qt4 gui" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/80530313:01
* ScottK is sure didrocks will fix that.13:10
didrocksScottK: I'm bzr bd -S at the moment :)13:10
didrocksScottK: I tested it in my ppa, building from this morning seems to do what is needed (building doc on i386, not building it on amd64)13:11
ScottKdidrocks: With the docs fix for armel/powerpc?13:11
didrocksonly build doc on i386, indeed13:11
ScottKfabo may want that patch for Debian since it should help a lot with building on stuff like mips/mipsel.13:12
didrocksScottK: yeah, I tried to ping him without any chance yet, will open a bug report13:12
* apachelogger totally thinks didrocks could revu touchegg-gui 13:16
didrocksapachelogger: can do for this week, if not urgent :-)13:17
didrocksapachelogger: and if you subscribe me to a bug ;)13:17
apacheloggertoo much work :P13:17
apacheloggerQuintasan: go do revus or I will come after you with an empty wine bottle13:17
apacheloggeroh, empty :O13:18
* apachelogger better gets a new one13:18
apacheloggerScottK: do you compute bug 847859?13:19
ubottuLaunchpad bug 847859 in kde-workspace (Ubuntu) "package kdm 4:4.7.1-0ubuntu1 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess installed pre-removal script returned error exit status 128" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/84785913:19
apacheloggeralso bug 84487413:20
ubottuLaunchpad bug 844874 in kde-workspace (Ubuntu) "plasma-desktop crashed with RuntimeError in /usr/share/kde4/apps/plasma_scriptengine_python/pyappletscript.py: the PyQt4.QtCore module is version 1 but the PyKDE4.plasma module requires version -1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/84487413:20
ScottKapachelogger: Known debconf bug.  I don't recall the number, but it should be reassigned and duped.13:20
apacheloggerbug 442941 I guess13:21
ubottuLaunchpad bug 442941 in ubiquity (Ubuntu Natty) "debconf failed to upgrade from 1.5.27ubuntu1 to 1.5.27ubuntu2: exit status 128 - Use of uninitialized value $reply in scalar chomp at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/FrontEnd/Passthrough.pm line 66" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/44294113:21
apacheloggeror not, cause that is fixed in ubiquity13:22
ScottKRight, but we need a fix in debconf.13:22
apacheloggerso why is it marked invalid in debconf?13:25
bambeewhy the hell do I get a black screen (without xorg) when I remove /etc/initramfs/conf.d/splash .... (this file contains : FRAMEBUFFER = y , and is not installed by default) ?13:26
ScottKapachelogger: https://projects.kde.org/projects/kde/kde-workspace/repository/revisions/af6c8e396d7d8aadb72e150fc0f157ef2114ea8a is the only 4.7.1 change in that file, so no idea.13:26
apacheloggerScottK: what file where? what bug? whut?13:27
apacheloggerScottK: it seems more a generic pykde/pyqt issue13:27
apacheloggerI have seen that issue before13:27
apacheloggernot that the pyappletscript thing would be terribly reliable13:27
apacheloggerplasma goes constantly kaboom due to bad python plasmoids13:27
ScottKSo I'd reassign to pydke at the very least.13:27
apacheloggerScottK: plz do13:27
apacheloggerbug 821990 :)13:28
ubottuLaunchpad bug 821990 in kde-workspace (Ubuntu) "plasma-desktop crashed with AttributeError in init(): 'module' object has no attribute 'CreateApplet'" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/82199013:28
apacheloggerpython + plasma makes an awesome combo13:28
_StefanS_anyone have a workaround for the qdbus symbol lookup - just curious13:32
apacheloggerdebfx, ScottK: didn't someone fix the background duplication?13:32
apacheloggerbug 82079313:32
ubottuLaunchpad bug 820793 in kde-workspace (Ubuntu) "package kde-workspace-data 4:4.7.0-0ubuntu3 failed to install/upgrade: попытка перезаписать «/usr/share/kde4/apps/ksplash/Themes/Default/600x400/background.png», который уже имеется в пакете kdebase-workspace-wallpapers 4:4.6.2a-0ubuntu5.2" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/82079313:32
apacheloggerI very much believe that was a link before 4.713:32
apachelogger_StefanS_: the what?13:32
_StefanS_apachelogger: I've had a symbol lookup error on qdbus binary for some days now13:33
_StefanS_apachelogger: you havent ?13:33
_StefanS_apachelogger: err... 13:33
_StefanS_apachelogger: 4:4.7.4-0ubuntu1 version doesnt work for me here13:33
apacheloggerdebfx, ScottK: actually it was no link, it just was not there but in wallpapers to begin with :P13:33
ScottKLooks like mgraesslin's kwin fix is good to upload.13:34
_StefanS_apachelogger: qdbus: symbol lookup error: qdbus: undefined symbol: qt_dbus_metaobject_skip_annotation13:34
_StefanS_apachelogger: on fully updated oneiric13:34
apachelogger_StefanS_: locate libQtDBus13:37
apacheloggeralso ldconfig -p |grep QtDBus13:37
_StefanS_apachelogger: http://pastebin.com/FPwC98Xn13:38
_StefanS_apachelogger: is it the lib32 version that makes it freak out ?13:38
apacheloggerldd /usr/bin/qdbus13:38
apacheloggerI do not even know what lib32 is :P13:39
_StefanS_apachelogger: http://pastebin.com/KkT73YA213:39
_StefanS_apachelogger: its made by getlibs I think13:40
_StefanS_apachelogger: to support x86 binaries13:40
apacheloggerseems ldd is resolving ot the right lib though13:40
_StefanS_apachelogger: its pretty odd13:40
apachelogger_StefanS_: which qdbus13:40
_StefanS_apachelogger: /usr/bin/qdbus13:41
apacheloggergrep -ri qt_dbus_metaobject_skip_annotation /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libQtDBus.so.4.7.413:41
_StefanS_apachelogger: Binary file /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libQtDBus.so.4.7.4 matches 13:41
ScottKIs the actual qdbus package installed?13:41
_StefanS_it is13:42
_StefanS_ScottK: ii  qdbus                                             4:4.7.4-0ubuntu1                                  Qt 4 Dbus Tool 13:42
apachelogger_StefanS_: does the lib32 so also match?13:42
_StefanS_apachelogger: I deleted that by mistake, so cant check13:42
apacheloggerah, and that does not help?13:43
_StefanS_apachelogger: not really, should I update ldconfig ?13:43
apacheloggersure why not13:43
apacheloggeralso reinstall qtdbus and qdbus13:43
_StefanS_qtdbus ?13:43
_StefanS_libqt4-dbus you mea13:44
_StefanS_reinstalled both have the same error13:45
apacheloggerno idea then13:47
apacheloggerScottK: what do you think about bug 820189 13:47
ubottuLaunchpad bug 820189 in kde-workspace (Ubuntu) "GNOME notification daemon started if GNOME app is started before plasma" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/82018913:47
_StefanS_apachelogger: the one in /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libQtDBus.so.4 does not match that string13:48
ScottKCan't be a plasma bug if plasma isn't started yet.13:48
ScottKapachelogger: What controls startup sequence here?  Presumably this is from a saved session.13:48
apachelogger_StefanS_: hold on13:48
apacheloggerin lib?13:49
ScottKideally we want applications to start after the workspace anyway.13:49
apacheloggerScottK: ksmserver13:49
apacheloggerit is complicated13:49
_StefanS_apachelogger: yeah13:49
ScottKSo ksmserver shouldn't start apps until after the workspace is up?13:49
apacheloggerto speed up stuff ksmserver restores apps asap13:49
apacheloggerparticularly since plasma startup takes forever and two days13:49
apachelogger_StefanS_: right, that seems all sorts of wrong TBH13:50
ScottKSounds like an upstream design issue then.13:50
apacheloggerdpkg -S libQtDBus.so13:50
apacheloggerScottK: well, upstream it is13:50
apacheloggerjust wondering which upstream13:50
_StefanS_apachelogger: http://pastebin.com/7scavLH413:50
apacheloggerwherever you got that from13:51
apacheloggerit is not supposed to be there13:51
_StefanS_ah hell13:51
_StefanS_probably that getlibs.sh thingy13:51
_StefanS_or some ppa13:51
_StefanS_sorry man13:51
apacheloggerdefinitely no PPA or dpkg would know 13:51
ScottKHmm.  Good question.13:52
_StefanS_apachelogger: probably getlibs.sh that misunderstood the arch or something13:52
ScottKapachelogger: What would happen if it were the other way around (KDE app starting before Gnome session)?13:52
_StefanS_oh my, and now it works :) - my beloved kde will work again HAHAHA13:53
_StefanS_thanks: )13:53
apacheloggerScottK: you'd only get gnome notifications13:53
apacheloggerScottK: plasma notifications are only a visual overload for knotify notifications13:53
apacheloggerso kde apps would talk to knotify to show some notification and knotify would delegate to the notification api if present13:53
ScottKapachelogger: Then I vote Gnome app bug for starting the Gnome notification thingy when it's not in a Gnome environment.13:53
apacheloggeri.e. either the plasma notifications or gnomes13:53
ScottKMabye didrocks would know where it should go?13:54
* didrocks backlogs13:54
didrocksScottK: it is notify-osd or the gnome notification one which is started?13:56
didrocksapachelogger: ^13:56
* ScottK looks at apachelogger as he hasn't bothered to read the bug.13:57
didrockson gnome sessions, we start notify-osd as part of /etc/xdg/autostart/ to ensure we have our own flavor of notification13:57
ScottKRight, but this is in a KDE Plasma session.13:57
didrocks(I would think that's glib which is guilty)13:57
apacheloggergnome notifications I reckon13:57
apacheloggercause the bug report talks about ugly yellow boxes13:58
didrocksScottK: indeed, I understood the issue, no worry on that :)13:58
didrockslet me look if glib has this kind of call13:58
didrocksno, so should be libnotify?13:59
* didrocks digs in13:59
apacheloggerand bug 772486 looks very much like unity/compiz' fault14:00
ubottuLaunchpad bug 772486 in kde-workspace (Ubuntu) "[Natty] Unity will start from GDM, not from KDM" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/77248614:00
didrocksapachelogger: it's not, do you export DESTKOP_SESSION in KDM?14:00
didrocksapachelogger: ok, so libnotify is making a dbus call, if plasma and the gnome-notification installed, are they both listen to the same dbus activation service?14:01
apacheloggerplasma does not listen to it at all, it acquires the dbus service url when started14:03
apacheloggerdidrocks: about the DESKTOP_SESSION ... I have no idea what sets it, but my env actually has that var14:03
didrocksapachelogger: gdm and lightdm are setting it14:04
apachelogger./kfrontend/kgapp.cpp:    setenv("DESKTOP_SESSION", "kde", 1); // for qt 4.6 only14:04
apachelogger./config.def:  <term>DESKTOP_SESSION</term>14:04
apachelogger./backend/client.c:        userEnviron = setEnv(userEnviron, "DESKTOP_SESSION", desksess);14:04
apacheloggermine is DESKTOP_SESSION=kde-plasma14:04
apacheloggerso we do set it, at least in 4.714:04
apacheloggerthat said... what spec defines that env var?14:04
didrocksapachelogger: they both set it to the .desktop file name chosen in /usr/share/xsessions/14:04
didrocksapachelogger: ahah, there is none, that's what is funny :)14:05
didrocksapachelogger: so robert_ancell tries to push it as a freedesktop spec with his lightdm approach14:05
apacheloggerso I must repeat my statement... it is a bug in unity14:05
didrocks(seems gdm didn't even try, they just set it as well as GDMSESSION)14:05
didrocksapachelogger: it's not14:05
apacheloggerif it not defined in any spec adopted by KDM then it is not a thing to expect from KDM14:05
didrocksapachelogger: we base the gnome-session "session" on env var, it's the only way to get it starting the right session14:05
didrocksapachelogger: I didn't say it's a bug in KDM, it's just that there is no way to start a gnome-session without env variable14:06
apacheloggerso the bug is in gnome-session then :P14:06
didrocks(if you want different "gnome-session" session type, with different components)14:06
didrocksapachelogger: if you prefer :p14:07
apacheloggerdidrocks: we actually do that via the desktop file14:07
didrocksapachelogger: for the notification, we know what's the cause at least (and for kdm as well, even if that's not going to be fixed)14:08
debfxapachelogger: kde-workspace-data doesn't need to replace/break kdebase-workspace-wallpapers14:08
debfxthat bug can be marked as fix released with kde-workspace 4:4.7.0-0ubuntu214:08
apacheloggerdebfx: how is that?14:09
debfxand why did you drop kdewallpapers from the package install patch?14:09
apacheloggerdidrocks: couldn't you have something like "Exec=gnome-session unity" in the unity session file?14:09
didrocksapachelogger: no, because even if we fix this, compiz need an environment variable to choose its profile14:10
debfxthat file has been moved to kde-workspace-data-extras14:10
didrocksapachelogger: as compiz can be used for the unity session (which enables the unity plugin in compiz) and another default session (the "ubuntu classic"14:10
apacheloggerdebfx: I do not follow at all14:11
didrocksapachelogger: so, we need this env variable to set it, and patching gnome-session is bad for special casing it (what I've done in lucid) as it only works then with gnome-session14:11
apacheloggerdidrocks: Exec=DESKTOP_SESSION=foo gnome-session unity then14:11
debfxapachelogger: /usr/share/kde4/apps/ksplash/Themes/Default/600x400/background.png is *not* in kde-workspace-data anymore14:11
didrocksapachelogger: lightdm and gdm will overwrite it14:12
apacheloggerdidrocks: how is that a problem though?14:12
didrocksand again, it will just work with gnome-session, I tried to make it not depending on it14:12
apachelogger+ aren't they supposed to set their crap before executing the exec?14:12
apacheloggerdidrocks: compiz does not fork off gnome-session?14:13
didrocksapachelogger: but kdm will also overwrite it to "kde", isn't it?14:13
apacheloggerdidrocks: no14:13
apacheloggerit will set it to some weird value that I am not entirely sure about14:13
didrocksapachelogger: gnome-session has a session file to set the required components14:13
didrocksmaybe it's better to fix the weird value by something more systematic between DM?14:13
didrocksthat's what robert is trying to do14:13
apacheloggerdidrocks: I do believe that the DM will not be able to temper with the env once the Exec is executed14:14
apacheloggerthat said, since the env var is part of the Exec command it will definitely be part of the env of the command and in all likelihood not overwritten by the DM14:15
apacheloggerso I do not think that either DM will be able to overwrite it14:15
apacheloggerdidrocks: I'd say just try adding the env var to the Exec14:15
apacheloggerif it works with LDM, KDM and GDM it is very likely to be a universally working approach ^^14:15
didrocksapachelogger: the thing is that scripts in /etc/X11/Xsession.d/ doesn't temper with Exec=envvar executable IIRC14:15
apacheloggerthey are executed before Exec14:16
didrocks        STARTUP_FULL_PATH=$(/usr/bin/which "${1%% *}" || true)14:16
didrocks-> that won't work (I already patched it from debian to support spaces in args)14:17
didrocksapachelogger: trust me, since the last 2 years with UNR, I spent a fair amount of time with all the session stuff :)14:17
* apachelogger blinks at that code there and ponders developing on Windows14:18
didrocksapachelogger: nooooooo! don't do that :-)14:18
* apachelogger has an allergy to X11 really14:19
apacheloggerdidrocks: so... you should totally have a look if it works with KDM 4.7 as expected14:19
didrocksapachelogger: I heard that some people try to treat it with some wayl* stuff :-)14:19
apacheloggerotherwise we'll have to envision a solution that actually works14:19
didrocksapachelogger: oh, as long as the session var won't be set, I can assure you it won't work14:20
apacheloggerit is set for me14:20
apacheloggerto kde-plasma14:20
apacheloggerwhich makes me think that kdm might be silly and prefix it with kde-14:20
didrocksyeah, set to the desktop filename I intended14:20
apacheloggerwell, that would make sense14:20
didrocksdoes it set it to something else on other circumstances?14:20
apacheloggerah yeah kde-plasma.desktop14:21
didrockshum? /me is puzzled :-)14:21
apacheloggerit sets it to the desktop file14:21
didrockswith .desktop? :p14:21
didrocksoh without?14:21
didrocksit should work then14:21
apachelogger>>> ls /usr/share/xsessions14:21
didrocksso, if you launch /usr/share/xsessions/foo.desktop14:22
apachelogger>>> echo $DESKTOP_SESSION14:22
didrocksand start the session "foo", you get DESTKOP_SESSION=foo?14:22
apachelogger./backend/client.c:        userEnviron = setEnv(userEnviron, "DESKTOP_SESSION", desksess);14:22
didrocksso, it should start unity and all this discussion was… uneeded? :-)14:22
didrocksis that KDM?14:22
apacheloggerdidrocks: yes14:23
apacheloggerthe discussion is still valid for 4.6 I suppose :P14:23
didrocksshould be fine then, I don't see why it didn't start14:23
didrocksdo you have bug on natty or oneiric?14:23
apacheloggerwhich has 4.614:23
didrocksok, yeah, on natty, it makes sense, we only used GDM14:23
didrocksand GDM was *14:23
didrocks*only* setting GDMSESSION14:23
didrockswhich obviously can't be really cross desktop :-)14:24
apacheloggerwell, in case you want to fix it for natty ... the patch for that envrion change should be pretty SRUable14:24
didrocksapachelogger: hum, you mean, changing GDM to set DESKTOP_SESSION or KDM to set GDMSESSION?14:25
apacheloggerwell, you can use the same patch to do both :P14:25
apacheloggeror either14:25
apacheloggeror neither14:25
apacheloggeralthough neither made no sense as it would be a useless patch ^^14:25
didrocksindeed :)14:26
didrocksmaking everything relying on DESTKOP_SESSION will ask for an upload of 5 components14:26
didrocksGDMSESSION is KDM seems the easiest, even if I don't really like it :/14:26
apacheloggerit might be dangerous14:26
didrocksapachelogger: like, getting infected? :-)14:27
apacheloggerI am reasonable certain that something surely uses the var to draw weird conclusions14:27
apacheloggerlike "we are running gnome"14:27
apacheloggerlike the gnome-session makes the weird conclusion that desktop_session must be there and set to something meaningful :P14:27
didrocksapachelogger: that's more than possible indeed :-)14:28
apacheloggerScottK: you should go see a doctor about bug 75942214:28
ubottuLaunchpad bug 759422 in kde-workspace (Ubuntu) "Plasma-netbook first run screen corruption" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/75942214:28
* apachelogger thinks that horos is a really bad wallpaper for the netbook14:29
ScottKHappens every time in the live session, but on a real install something redraws the screen one more time.14:29
apacheloggeralso it is a really bad wallpaper for the tablet14:29
apachelogger qt_message_output (msgType=QtFatalMsg, buf=0xa0f2ed0 "Fatal Error: Accessed global static 'DataEngineManagerSingleton *privateDataEngineManagerSelf()' after destruction. Defined at ../../plasma/dataenginemanager.cpp:87") at 14:30
apachelogger<3 plasma14:30
bulldog98yofel: why is /usr/lib/libcppparser.so listed as not installed in the list missing hook (smokegen, which I’m backporting?)14:33
bulldog98yofel: ok sorry found it out, but that should go into not-installed14:34
CIA-130[kde-workspace] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20110913143732-0hedzuqygy0g6uke * debian/ (changelog control) Do not install kdewallpapers and kde-wallpapers when requesting default wallpaper installation. Only kde-wallpapers should be considered default as kdewallpapers is legacy wallpapers (now living in kdeartwork)14:37
apacheloggerdebfx: happy now?14:37
apacheloggerScottK: bug 641712 is epic nasty14:39
ubottuLaunchpad bug 641712 in kdebase-workspace (Ubuntu) "Not possible to enter password for a new user in KDM (Maverick)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/64171214:39
ScottKapachelogger: Agreed.  I've been using the "work around" for some time without a problem.  Not sure if we should make that the default or not?14:39
apacheloggerwhat work around?14:40
ScottKSince mobile uses nodm and not kdm, I suspect it's OK.14:40
apacheloggermore interesting14:40
ScottKRead in the bug.14:40
apacheloggerwhy was this not forwarded?14:40
apacheloggerwoah this code is creepy14:48
apacheloggernow I cannot reproduce it no moar :O14:54
apachelogger        if (!passwdEdit)14:55
apachelogger            passwd1Edit->setFocus();14:55
apacheloggerspot the difference :S14:55
apacheloggerScottK: I cannot reproduce it anymore, what am I doing wrong :(14:58
ScottKI do spot the difference.14:59
yofelbulldog98: poke pinotree in #debian-qt-kde, we don't differ from them in that package (and they don't have it in not-installed)14:59
apacheloggerScottK: it seems to have locked up15:01
apacheloggerI guess that would explain why kbd input does not work no more ^^15:01
ScottKIt would.15:02
apacheloggercould also be a bug with vbox though15:02
alleeanyone around with designer experience?  Selecting keyboard variant in Ubiquity is almost impossible for languages with long labels or keyboard names.  Important variant info is hidden behind ... :(  15:05
alleeEnglisch doesn't have problem as 'Layout' is so much shorter than e.g. the german 'Tastaturbelegung'15:07
alleeCompare (sorry bad handy camera): http://wstaw.org/m/2011/09/13/13092011072.jpg with the unusable german variant http://wstaw.org/m/2011/09/13/13092011074.jpg15:09
apacheloggerScottK: so it was not that...15:09
bulldog98allee: unity would be #ubuntu-devel15:09
apacheloggerScottK: but this could well be a Qt bug15:09
alleebulldog98: it the qt/kde frontend15:10
apacheloggerScottK: clearly something holds focus and the dialog apparently does not try hard enough to steal focus15:10
ScottKapachelogger: Agreed.  Given that switching the kdm config can 'fix' it, that should be a hint ...15:10
alleebulldog98: I mean the ubiquity-frontend-kde   file: stepKeyboardconf.ui15:11
bulldog98ah ok15:12
bulldog98only read u at begin and y at end -> unity :)15:13
ScottKallee: I'd ask agateau if he has suggestions.15:13
alleeThat late in the release cycle safest method would be to convert the horizontalbox to an verticalbox as there's plenty of unused vertical space.   But I've never used designer and it not that easy 15:13
alleeagateau: ^^ ping 15:13
* agateau reads15:13
* apachelogger points out that they should not be dropdowns to begin with15:14
apacheloggerthere are a bazillion layouts.. finding one in a dropdown is all sorts of not possible15:14
alleeapachelogger: well  I've seen   1 - ~ 12.    Problem is that the important part of the string is cut out and replace by '...'15:15
alleeThere also always the common prefix $keyboardlayout  that could be stripped (much more readable) but it's late in 'O' cycle, isn't it15:17
agateauallee: I agree putting the variant in a second row is probably the simplest solution15:17
agateauallee: probably late indeed. Especially since you would need some text for the first item.15:17
apachelogger    enum Function { Authenticate, AuthChAuthTok, ChAuthTok };15:18
apachelogger    if (func != ChAuthTok) {}15:18
apachelogger    if (func != Authenticate) {}15:18
apacheloggerall sorts of epic15:18
apacheloggergod help them if the enum grows15:18
alleeagateau: really?  If one does not rename the label there should be no i18n changes.15:18
agateauallee: I mean: late for removing the common prefix.15:19
agateauallee: adjusting the layout is fine IMO.15:19
alleeagateau: oh15:19
agateauallee: where is that designer file?15:19
agateauah you mentionned it15:20
alleeagateau: ubiquity  trunk/gui/qt/stepKeyboardConf.ui15:20
bulldog98yofel: I started doing some stuff for natty15:21
bulldog98could someone push oxygen-icons 4.7.1 into natty (ppa/staging)?15:22
agateauubiquity takes ages to branch :/15:23
ScottKallee: You'll need to check with DarkwingDuck or jjesse to see if there are screenshots that will need to be redone.15:23
alleeagateau: I try to find were the common prefix can be removed for 'P'.  Hopefully a managable task for me.15:23
ScottKBecause when you file for the UIFe, that'll be the first question I ask you.15:24
agateauallee: sounds like a good idea15:24
RiddellDarkwingDuck: do you know what "Give david.wonderly access to upstream docs" means in desktop-o-kubuntu-documentation-review ?15:26
alleeScottK: you ping them already didn't you? ;)  Independently: without the change the 'variant' widget is completely useless15:26
alleein some languages (like german)15:27
ScottKallee: I did just ping DarkwingDuck, but jjesse isn't on.  You'll need an answer from one of them.15:30
agateauallee: ok, I got it checked out15:31
agateauallee: the easiest way to turn the layout into two lines is to convert the horizontal layout to a QFormLayout15:32
agateauallee: I can guide you if you want15:33
bulldog98Riddell: kde account to do upstream kde work15:34
debfxapachelogger: yep, thanks15:45
debfxat some point we need to get rid of those nasty QFile::exists("/var/lib/dpkg/info/kde-wallpapers.list") checks15:46
apacheloggerbut how, oh how15:47
debfxyeah that's the problem15:48
debfxthere is a real need for a dpkg-is-package-installed tool15:48
* ScottK looks for JonTheEchnida15:49
ScottKTaco boy needs to get to work.15:49
apacheloggerdebfx: except I'd not want to use it15:49
apacheloggerbecause it would be FAAAAAAT15:49
apacheloggerthere is no way in fluffy land that a dpkgwhatever query is faster than a file exists15:50
debfxmaybe not faster, but more reliable15:50
apacheloggerhardly worth it15:51
apacheloggerthe only other place we look for presented packages is startkde15:51
apacheloggerand we would so not use a fat solution there15:51
apacheloggerbad enough that we have to use plasma15:51
debfxthat check already broke this cycle due to multiarch15:52
debfxdidrocks: I think the latest qt upload breaks local non-i386 builds15:53
didrocksdebfx: what do you mean? if you want to build it locally without debclean at the end to get the documentation?15:53
apacheloggerdebfx: how did it break?15:55
bambeedoes someone have a working plymouth on oneiric ? it does not work at all on startup (it's just not started) but it works fine on reboot/shutdown :\15:55
apacheloggeryou know15:57
* apachelogger needs a cig and then start calling yofel names15:57
ejatapachelogger: :)15:57
* yofel wonders what he did now...15:58
debfxapachelogger: for multiarch-same packages the file is .list.<arch> instead of .list15:59
bulldog98apachelogger: should I put the kwin fix into bzr? I’m back in 1,5 h16:01
apacheloggerdebfx: so we should ls blah.list.*16:01
debfxdidrocks: if the docs are only built on i386 and you still build arch:all packages, it probably can't install the doc files16:01
apacheloggeryofel: +if dpkg-query -W -f='${Status}' gtk2-engines-oxygen | grep -q '^install' && dpkg-query -W -f='${Status}' kubuntu-default-settings | grep -q '^install' ; then16:02
apacheloggerthis is topelevel if16:02
apacheloggeralways evaluated16:02
apacheloggerand everything you do in startkde is absolutely and entirely blocking to the login16:02
didrocksdebfx: hum? arch:all will tell that to generate a doc package that will only be built on i38616:02
apacheloggerso that query there is absolutely and entirely blocking the login16:02
didrocksdebfx: arch:any is built on every arch16:03
apacheloggerassuming the oxygen engine is installed but kds is not that will shoot 2 dpkg-queries with subsequent regex grep16:03
apacheloggeronly to then not do anything useful16:03
debfxdidrocks: what I mean is that it breaks if you build locally with arch-all packages16:04
apacheloggeryofel: that stuff needs a different solution16:04
debfxit would be better to use dh_listpackages16:04
apacheloggerdpkg-query is a no-go for startkde16:04
yofelapachelogger: *that* was written by debfx16:04
apacheloggerdebfx: !16:04
didrocksdebfx: ah, if you build locally, it will indeed try that…16:04
apacheloggeryofel: you could fix it though16:04
apacheloggeryofel: I do not trust debfx nomoar16:04
didrocksdebfx: the idea is to not build the documentation on particularly armel and powerpc16:04
didrocksdebfx: as the builders are timeouting on it16:05
didrocksdebfx: and so FTBFS16:05
alleeagateau: sorry afk.  tempting offer,  but I think you're much faster yourself, and I spent my time is the 'strip prefix' patch.    But if you prefer educating me in 'outdated' UI technology ... ;)16:05
apacheloggerI think some of my hair turned grey16:05
apacheloggeroh my16:05
didrocksdebfx: please go ahead with a fix :)16:05
apacheloggeralso we have too many patches16:05
didrocksdebfx: we basically need to know "if we are on builders and arch != i386, don't build the doc" I guess16:05
debfxdidrocks: yeah, it should be all good with dh_listpackages16:05
didrocksdebfx: never used that TBH16:06
didrocksoh interesting16:06
didrocksdebfx: you can maybe stack a fix on bzr (do not think it needs an upload for now)16:06
ScottKbulldog98: Put the kwin fix in bzr.16:07
debfxI don't mind fixing it, but I can't do a test build right now (on my laptop)16:08
didrocksdebfx: I don't have something else than i386 here16:08
ScottKdidrocks: You have access to a porter box.16:09
didrocksScottK: hum, really? I'm even not aware of that :)16:09
ScottKAFAIK all Canonical employed devs have porter box access for other archs.16:09
ScottKmicahg can probably educate you on getting access if you don't have it set up as he's just going through it now.16:10
ScottK(if you don't already have access it probably won't help in this case)16:10
didrocksScottK: yeah, I'll ask him, I was thinking it was more the armel guy or security team having access to it16:11
alleeagateau: --help and man did not help :(  Has ubiquity sort of   --dry-run.  So I can test my change without ubiquity doing anything16:12
didrocksor I'll poke agateau for some tests :)16:12
micahgScottK: if I can't figure it out, I'll ask cjwatson, but I'm still waiting for access :)16:16
lunarcloudhello, I was contacted about helping with the release announcements?16:32
ScottKHello lunarcloud.16:32
ScottKclaydoh: ^^^ lunarcloud would like to help with making the release announcement more readable for non-techinical users (correct me if I'm wrong on that).16:33
lunarcloudthat's right16:33
ScottKlunarcloud: claydoh is the person who has been doing those and I'm sure he'd be glad of the help.16:33
ScottKMy recommendation is that you chat with him about your thoughts on the matter and work out how to proceed.16:34
claydohScottK: lunarcloud yes, less technical would be nice, especially as it is often too boring :D16:34
ScottKIf you're interested in improving other aspects of the documentation, you might want to chat with DarkwingDuck.16:34
claydohand that I may not know what I am saying, technically speaking16:35
lunarcloudI might be able to help with other docs depending on my free time later, it's a good option16:35
lunarcloudand yea, it takes a lot of work taking the technical info that we absorb all the time and present it in a friendly way. They don't always match up 1:1 technical note -to- user note16:37
ScottKlunarcloud: (and claydoh) - Maybe the way to start would be for lunarcloud to start on reworking the beta1 announcement to be more user friendly since that's normally be the basis of the beta2/final announcements.\16:40
debfxis calling dpkg-query that expensive?16:42
lunarcloudpardon - computer froze due to virtualbox16:42
lunarcloudso what do i need to know to help with the release announcements - like when are the proper deadlines and is there someone to approves it?16:46
lunarcloudwell, i g2g i'll work on it16:46
debfxapachelogger: actually the file path is /var/lib/dpkg/info/gtk2-engines-oxygen:<arch>.list which makes it a bit more difficult to parse16:58
debfxalso test doesn't seem to be able to handle glob expressions16:58
debfxapachelogger: what solution do you suggest?16:59
debfxScottK: have you given up on fixing kde-runtime?16:59
ScottKdebfx: I wouldn't go that far.  I'm very busy with $WORK this week, so I'd welcome anyone else taking a crack at it.17:00
* debfx wonders where the kde active packagers have disappeared to17:02
debfxQuintasan, rbelem: ^17:05
apacheloggerdebfx: ls foo:*.list17:10
apacheloggerScottK: I give up on the kdm issue17:10
apacheloggerKDM's code is epic brainfck17:10
ScottKreport it upstream then.17:10
apacheloggersince it has no window manager it does all sorts of weird fake focus stuff17:10
debfxapachelogger: that won't work if the the package isn't multiarch-same17:10
apacheloggerScottK: there is a report upstream17:10
apacheloggerof course upstream is the nicest preson in the universe17:11
apacheloggerand sez it is downstream until proofen otherwise17:11
ScottKOh.  I thought you told me it wasn't upstreamed?17:11
ScottKOne might ask what suitable proof might be?17:11
apacheloggerdebfx: we know whether a package is multiarch or not, right?17:11
apacheloggerScottK: holding a gun at the head of usptream I guess17:12
debfxapachelogger: yes, until some converts a package and doesn't update the check17:13
apacheloggervery random that is17:14
apacheloggerbut so be it17:14
apacheloggerls foo.list || ls foo:*.list17:14
apacheloggerother option17:15
apacheloggerhave the package install a unique file17:15
_Groo_Quintasan: ping17:17
_Groo_could someone with upload clearance fix the telepathy-kde ppa... its broken 17:17
_Groo_dpkg: kde-config-telepathy-accounts-plugins: dependency problems, but configuring anyway as you requested:  kde-config-telepathy-accounts-plugins depends on libkcmtelepathyaccounts4 (= 0.1.0+20110831-0~natty1); however:   Version of libkcmtelepathyaccounts4 on system is 0.1.0+20110911-0~natty1. 17:17
_Groo_someone hardcoded the old version in the tel-account-plugin :P17:18
shadeslayer_Groo_: gkiaga told me it will be fixed with the next daily build17:20
shadeslayerif its not, contact him on #kde-telepathy17:20
_Groo_shadeslayer: tks :)17:20
shadeslayerapachelogger: ja ja, i shall look into it over the weekend17:20
_Groo_shadeslayer: i can make my own packages i just like to bug ppl till bugs are fixed XD17:20
shadeslayeri have no idea how to do it, but i'll try and take a look at iCal17:20
shadeslayer_Groo_: hehe ... then gkiagia is the guy to poke17:21
bulldog98ScottK: should I wait, if I get commit rights?17:40
ScottKbulldog98: At this point you might as well.17:40
bulldog98ScottK: didn’t get that17:41
ScottKIsn't the meeting today?17:41
bulldog98ScottK: yes17:41
bulldog98so I should wait17:41
ScottKAssuming it goes well, you'll be able to just push directly to the branch.17:42
_Groo_apachelogger: ping18:08
micahgwith a cert failure on konqueror, should I get a socket timeout or a more sane warning?18:25
apacheloggermicahg: I think you should get a dialog really18:40
apacheloggerwho schedules a meeting at 22 UTC -.-18:40
* micahg is trying to figure out if he broke qt4-x11 or if it's just being unhelpful...18:41
entorb_Moin! Stupid question: Where can I drop bugs I found testing 11.10 beta1?18:51
apacheloggerdepends on whether it is a bug in kde (bugs.kde.org) or kubuntu (bugs.launchpad.net/+ubuntu)18:51
entorb_oki, thanks!18:52
rbelemdebfx, i will take a look on that :-)18:54
rbelemScottK, ^18:57
rbelemdebfx, ScottK, is there any chance to use old rules format?18:58
rbelemmaybe that could work18:58
DarkwingDuckanyone seen jjesse?18:58
DarkwingDuckvalorie: ping18:59
* rbelem needs vacation to spend more time on kubuntu and kde :-)18:59
* Quintasan thinks he is horribly late for something19:06
bulldog98apachelogger: me sorry19:08
Quintasan_Groo_: Well, I do not have access to the internet on my PC so I can't really do anything19:08
Quintasandebfx: Ask rbelem as I have no access to the internet19:09
Quintasanbulldog98: Were we supposed to hold a meeting today or it's my imagination or I am horribly late?19:09
bulldog98Quintasan: 22 UTC19:10
ScottKrbelem: Sure.19:10
QuintasanI see, what's the agenda in short?19:10
QuintasanScottK: It does not seem like I am getting my connection fixed tomorrow19:11
QuintasanThey told me they have 72hours to act upon my complaint and nothing really changed19:11
ScottK22 - 4 = 18, 18 - 12 = 6.  OK.  I can probably do that.19:12
bulldog98Quintasan: Membership application (by me)19:12
rbelemScottK, nice :-)19:13
Quintasanbulldog98: Ahh, I see. I think KC is voting then19:14
bulldog98Quintasan: yep19:14
Quintasanbulldog98: Good luck then.19:14
bulldog98Quintasan: kthx19:15
Quintasanand the damn daata transmission fails :/19:15
entorb_next nooby question: Where do I post a bug concerning a harmeless boot message that is due to the interaction of ununtu as guest in virtualbox? solution is here: http://finster.co.uk/2010/11/16/virtualbox-piix4_smbus-error/19:17
entorb_the message is quite irretating therefor I would like it to disappear in the final version19:18
CIA-130[kde-workspace] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20110913192409-g3ai1r9xpa8i20wq * debian/ (2 files in 2 dirs) Fix warnings due to bogus shell code in the netbook detection (LP: #784241)19:24
ScottKdebfx: "Internal Server Error" at http://felix.fobos.de/kubuntu/kubuntu-oneiric-cd-alt-amd64-diff.htm19:44
ScottKapachelogger: You didn't put the bashisms back in did you?19:45
apacheloggerI added quotes19:45
claydohapachelogger: you have your own line of boots20:03
apacheloggeroh no, finally my secret is out in the public20:04
* apachelogger has designed wearables for the last 5 years20:04
apacheloggerthose boots are horrible20:05
apacheloggerbulldog98: by the time of the meeting I will be shitfaced20:06
claydohapachelogger: I would buy them, but I live in the muddy snowy frozen north :)20:07
claydohI am going to uds-p it seems20:09
claydohthe stars have lined up just right20:09
apacheloggeryou are not to buy such hideous boots or I would have you hung for eye murder20:09
apacheloggeryay, all hail the stars20:09
bulldog98apachelogger: as long as you can vote and think :) everything is alright :)20:10
apacheloggerI will have you know that I can vote on a bottle of tequila and half a bottle of wine20:11
apacheloggerthere is no policy that states I have to be of sound mind20:11
claydohapachelogger: well i do have these http://www.wolverine.com/US/en-US/Product.mvc.aspx/9072M/12460/Mens/Spencer-Wolverine-Waterproof-Mid-Cut-Hiker20:13
apacheloggertruth be told, I have not been sober for a meeting for 3 years20:13
apacheloggerclaydoh: better, not terribly fashionable either though20:14
jussiapachelogger: I thought you weren't drinking anymore... :P20:14
apacheloggertell that to my husband20:14
apacheloggerhe dragged me all the way to paris just to get me drunk and do things20:14
jussiand who might that be?20:14
claydohapachelogger:  im not fashionable, I need a shoe that supports my bulk20:14
apacheloggerthe mighty j-b20:15
apacheloggerlord presend it videolan20:15
apacheloggercome to think of it, we could take over the entire prn world with kdemm and vlc20:15
BarkingFishevening guys :)20:16
jussiapachelogger: it appears you should be in bed... :P20:16
apacheloggerclaydoh: that is the wrong POV ... style > comfort20:16
bulldog98claydoh: the domain name of the shop is nice20:16
apacheloggerjussi: tell that to the bulldog9820:16
BarkingFishGot something a little unorthodox for you to look at if you don't mind.20:16
apacheloggerwho schedules meetings at flipping midnight20:16
apacheloggerlike I have time to stay up that long20:16
ScottKapachelogger: Is that password change window (for the new password bug) a KDM window or a userconfig window?20:17
BarkingFishI just put through a sudo apt-get remove on "rekonq" - the system obliged, and at the same time, it went and installed another browser which I didn't want.  Why should taking one package off, cause others to be installed?20:17
claydohapachelogger: I shall wear such boots  just for you if ever we get to mee20:17
* bulldog98 has to get up tomorrow at 4 UTC. apachelogger anything to add?20:17
ScottKBarkingFish: Presumably you have some other package installed that requires a web browser, so when you removed that one, it grabbed the first one on it's list.20:18
bulldog98BarkingFish: cause a browser is essential and apt-get will you not leave without a working system20:18
BarkingFishI have a web browser, ScottK - I have firefox installed20:18
apacheloggerbulldog98: mitu20:18
ScottKBarkingFish: What did it install instead?20:18
apacheloggerall your fault20:18
BarkingFishScottK, Konqueror20:18
apacheloggerScottK: kdm20:18
apacheloggerif you want to call it a window20:19
apacheloggerI'd call it arbitary qwidget drawn centered about parenting qwidget :P20:19
apacheloggerbambee: you should get tdfischer to gimme my other eye back20:20
ScottKBarkingFish ...20:20
ScottK$ apt-cache depends kubuntu-konqueror-shortcuts20:20
ScottK |Depends: rekonq20:20
ScottK  Depends: konqueror20:20
ScottKThat's why.20:20
jussifor what its worth, I would like to say publically that I support bulldog98 for kubuntu membership - he seems to be doing a great job. Now Im going to sleep. thank you and good night.20:20
ScottKremove kubuntu-konqueror-shortcuts if you don't want either.20:20
bulldog98jussi: g820:20
BarkingFishright. Do I need kubuntu-konqueror-shortcuts, ScottK - since I don't actually intend to use it?20:21
BarkingFishok, and taking that off means I can nuke konqueror?20:21
apacheloggerI wonder why no one ever uploaded it20:21
apacheloggerjussi: nit0rs20:21
ScottKBarkingFish: Yes.20:21
apacheloggerbulldog98: why is he allowed to go to bed and I am not?20:21
BarkingFishthanks ScottK 20:21
ScottKapachelogger: He's not on the KC, you are.20:21
ScottKapachelogger: It's not late.20:22
ScottK(not even were you are)20:22
bulldog98apachelogger: and you are also an proxy20:22
apacheloggerdepends on the POV20:22
apacheloggerit is rather late to find a flat20:22
bulldog98ScottK: yeah but UTC 22 is late :)20:22
apacheloggeractually VERY late20:22
ScottKapachelogger: That's like midnight for you, right?20:22
apacheloggerit is so late, if it were any later I would not attend the meeting for lack of internetz under the bridge where I will live20:22
apacheloggerScottK: give or take some hours20:23
apacheloggeralcohol makes some hours get lost at times20:23
BarkingFishScottK, i'm gonna give you a laugh now. kubuntu-konqueror-shortcuts isn't installed :P20:23
ScottKFor you particularly.20:23
ScottKBarkingFish: OK.  I'll look further.20:23
apacheloggerwell, it all ends up a blur after 7 days anyway20:23
apacheloggerso I guess loosing time is not that terrible20:24
neversfeldeapachelogger: I forgot that email, sorry was busy with learning20:24
apacheloggerI should be learning too20:24
ScottKBarkingFish: No idea.  What happens if you try to remove konqueror?20:25
apacheloggerI think I have exams at some point20:25
apacheloggeralso did I mention that shadeslayer is having exams again? ^^20:25
neversfeldefinal exams oct 201220:25
BarkingFishScottK, just tried that, it put rekonq back on.20:25
ScottKapachelogger: It's easier to just say when he isn't.20:25
neversfeldenot enough time anymore :)20:25
ScottKBarkingFish: What if you install them both and then try to remove them both?20:25
apacheloggerneversfelde: are you a fully backed lawyer then?20:26
apacheloggerneversfelde: you could become a character on suits20:26
BarkingFishScottK, I'll probably break the space time continuum, but no harm in trying :)20:26
neversfeldeapachelogger: no, I switched to tax consultancy some time ago20:27
apacheloggergood grief, so you could help me with withholding taxes?20:28
BarkingFishScottK, that worked.  I put them both on with kpackagekit, took them both off with kpackagekit, and it didn't moan once.20:28
neversfeldeapachelogger: ofcourse not, but I could help you to get your special and very personal tax design20:29
apacheloggerneversfelde: sounds all the same to me ^^20:29
neversfeldedisqualified :)20:29
ScottKTax consultancy is an interesting business.  "Here, do this paperwork, this way, and you have to send less money in."20:30
neversfeldemhh, yes you have to know the tricks. Nevertheless the exam is very hard to pass and tax law is the a very difficult branch of law20:33
apacheloggerdo you get to fire people?20:33
apacheloggeras I have learned in the movie office space consultancy is all about firing people20:33
apacheloggeralso that is a rubbish movie20:33
apacheloggerbored out my mind I was20:34
ScottKapachelogger: It's wrong.  Consultancy is all about invoices.20:37
apacheloggerno firing people?20:38
BarkingFishapachelogger, i thought the hiring and firing was done by HR :)20:39
apacheloggerwell yes20:39
apacheloggerbut ultimately the consultant says yay or nay20:40
apacheloggerScottK: we haz so many bugs :(20:40
apacheloggerDarkwingDuck: we will fund a secret organization at UDS20:41
apacheloggerdedicated to fighting the bug invasion20:41
DarkwingDuckapachelogger: I'm ready for it. :D20:41
BarkingFishand here's me on a fresh system without my packaging set up, apachelogger 20:41
DarkwingDuckapachelogger: are you flying in to Orlando?20:41
BarkingFishDamn.  I need something to do :)20:41
apacheloggerDarkwingDuck: I was thinking about going there by train, then I realized there was no direct connection20:41
apacheloggerBarkingFish: you could totally triage bugs20:42
bulldog98apachelogger: are you talking about #klluminati ?20:42
ScottKapachelogger: My take on this is that ultimately the only deliverable on a consulting contract is the invoice.  Everything else is just supporting documentation.20:42
DarkwingDuckapachelogger: bugger20:42
apacheloggerBarkingFish: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase-workspace <-- if it is a crash and has a stacktrace attached use a sutiable reply from https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Bugs/Responses and close it as invalid20:42
BarkingFishapachelogger, I'd like to get my setup done again after transferring to my other pc, I've got no dist setup, nothing.20:43
apacheloggerif the bug looks like it could be caused by kubuntu, move it to the new kde-workspace package20:43
apacheloggerif the bug has a comment from me mark it as opinion and if someone asks explain to them that I am a silly person and since I commented on the bug it must be no bug or something equally  confusing ^^20:43
apacheloggerScottK: that actually sounds like fun20:44
apacheloggerbulldog98: you could tell me if I am still in there20:44
apacheloggerI have too many channels20:44
apacheloggerI have not seen #videolan in over a week20:44
apacheloggerI never get down far enough20:44
bulldog98apachelogger: no you are not there20:44
apacheloggergood thing20:48
apacheloggermarkey:  always wants me to do things20:48
apacheloggersheytan: ping20:48
sheytanapachelogger: pong20:49
apacheloggersheytan: do you have time to make an icon and maybe some banner graphic sort of thing until end of october?20:50
sheytanapachelogger: for what? :)20:50
apacheloggersecret project, if you have time I'll tell you ^^20:50
apacheloggersheytan: also a simple UI mockup for a mobile package manager application (maybe even app storish) would be cool20:50
apacheloggerhowever completely unrelated20:50
apacheloggerand the other thing is more important20:51
sheytanapachelogger: tell me :D20:52
BarkingFishI'm gonna go search my system for Quintasan's instructions on setting up my pbuilder and stuff20:55
BarkingFishapachelogger, is this the right way to triage the bugs?  I just found one marked as wishlist, and following the instructions, I closed it as invalid and gave the boilerplate reply from the page you pointed me to.21:25
BarkingFish^^ https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase-workspace/+bug/60291921:25
ubottuLaunchpad bug 602919 in kdebase-workspace (Ubuntu) "Appcontrol should not show app name if plasma-widget-menubar is visible" [Wishlist,Invalid]21:25
apacheloggerBarkingFish: actually no :)21:26
apacheloggeror maybe it is21:26
BarkingFishI followed the instructions here, apachelogger - https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Bugs/Responses#Upstream_Bugs_of_.22Wishlist.22_Importance21:26
apacheloggerthat bug was in the wrong package to begin with21:27
apacheloggerplasma-widget-menubar is maintained by canonical/agateau21:27
BarkingFishsays to send all Wishlist items up to KDE, and mark as invalid21:27
apacheloggerso not KDE itself21:27
BarkingFishoh bugger.21:27
apacheloggeralso ScottK could honor the policy :P21:28
apacheloggerBarkingFish: there all fixed now21:28
BarkingFishok, thanks.21:28
BarkingFishI'm probably better at sorting bugs out than deciding who should be sorting them, apachelogger :)21:29
apacheloggerBarkingFish: the menubar is a launchpad project so you can simply click on also effects project -> select the project that is affected and it will open a new row 21:29
ubottuLaunchpad bug 602919 in plasma-widget-menubar "Appcontrol should not show app name if plasma-widget-menubar is visible" [Undecided,New]21:29
apacheloggerlooks like this21:29
apacheloggerBarkingFish: might be best for starters21:29
apacheloggerBarkingFish: you know how to read a stacktrace?21:29
BarkingFishyeah, i just have to remember where i put the instructions for setting up.21:30
ScottKapachelogger: Which policy is that?21:30
BarkingFishAnd no, apachelogger - not properly21:30
ScottKapachelogger: No, the appcontrol widget is part of kde-workspace.21:31
apacheloggerScottK: what is the appcontrol widget then?21:32
apacheloggerBarkingFish: oh you should learn then, try to find a crash with backtrace and I'll show you21:32
apacheloggerthing is, it is actually rather easy once you know what to look for 21:33
ubottuThe packaging guide is at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/NewPackages for information on getting a package integrated into Ubuntu - Other developer resources are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment - See also !backports21:33
ScottKapachelogger: It's the thing on the right side of the panel in plasma-netbook that lets you switch between apps.21:33
apacheloggerwhat does that have to do with plasma-widget-menubar?21:33
ScottKSince the menubar stuff isn't upsteam yet, it's not upstreamable.21:33
apacheloggerScottK: also https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Specs/LucidBugTriagePolicy21:33
ScottKBecause we have the menubar, it'd be better if the appcontrol should look a bit different.21:34
apacheloggerI do not get that report at all21:34
BarkingFishbrb, pizza's here21:34
apacheloggerScottK: retriage as you see fit and make sure agateau understands it ^^21:34
ubottuInformation about using and setting your computer's clock on Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuTime - See https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/serverguide/C/NTP.html for information on usage of the Network Time Protocol (NTP)21:55
kubotuI don't know where you are, use ~time set <Continent>/<City> to let me know21:55
bulldog98~time UTC21:55
kubotuunintelligible time21:55
bulldog98~time London21:56
kubotuunintelligible time21:56
apacheloggerwhere is the taco21:57
bulldog98where do we hold the meeting?21:57
apacheloggerwhereever I get /invited to21:57
* valorie is here for the meeting - here?21:57
valorieor only for Council?21:58
valoriealso, DarkwingDuck: pong21:58
BarkingFishWell I'm not gonna be able to stick around for the meeting, even though I marked I'd be coming.21:58
BarkingFishI've got to get off to bed as I have an early start to work in the morning.21:58
valorieyou've been doing great work lately, BarkingFish21:58
valoriethank you21:58
apacheloggerare we having a channel party?21:59
BarkingFishvalorie, I'm a bit behind now, thanks to switching PC's and having to go through the whole packagers setup again21:59
BarkingFishI've lost the setup instructions, so I'm clueless there, I have no idea now what I did last time.21:59
BarkingFishI still have quintasan's basic guide to packaging, but I didn't keep the instructions for setting up pbuilder or anything like that.  Also, I need to get my GPG key and SSH key imported from Launchpad.22:00
bulldog98BarkingFish: http://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas22:00
BarkingFishI've already built a package with my key attached, and don't want to have to generate fresh keys and screw everything up22:00
apacheloggerScottK, DarkwingDuck: ping22:01
apacheloggerwhere is the taco?22:01
=== apachelogger changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Meeting in progress :: party afterwards
apacheloggerwho is here for the meeting?22:01
* bulldog98 is22:02
ScottKIs there an agenda?22:02
BarkingFishbulldog98, I can generate a key, that's fine - I already have a package though with my key in the changelog, won't that screw up if someone tries to work on it in future?22:02
apacheloggeronly membership22:02
apacheloggerhttps://wiki.kubuntu.org/bulldog98 https://launchpad.net/~bulldog9822:02
BarkingFishok then guys, I'll exit at this point and see you tomorrow night.  Gone 11pm BST here, so I'm out to bed.22:02
apacheloggerbulldog98: please tell us about yourself22:02
apacheloggerand where you got this nick from22:03
BarkingFishbbfn :)22:03
bulldog98My name is Jonathan Kolberg. I’m 19 years old and in about 2 weeks I’ll start studying computer sience22:03
apacheloggerbulldog98: also what changed since you last applied22:03
valorieFluffy user!22:04
bulldog98My nickname comes from the word Bulldog (means tractor in our local speach)22:05
bulldog98yes and I use Fluffy not too much in the last time, but I like fluffyness22:05
apacheloggerbulldog98: is it true you are the new maintainer of fluffy? when will be the next release?22:06
bulldog98What changed is that I gained lots of experiance and I finally started to get some coding22:06
bulldog98apachelogger: when it’s ready :P22:06
valorieI'm interested in your LoCo involvement, bulldog9822:06
valoriewhat sort of events do you have?22:06
apacheloggeryo master DarkwingDuck22:07
bulldog98valorie: LinuxTag2010 and 11 in Berlin22:07
DarkwingDuckSorry I'm late.22:07
valorieor is it more translations and documentation22:07
DarkwingDuckvalorie: need to talk after meeting22:07
valorieI'm here for ya22:07
bulldog98valorie: It’s user support in a forum and news22:07
valorieso you don't do release parties and such?22:07
bulldog98valorie: we live in Germany, Switzerland and Austria geting a release party done is horor22:08
valorieLinuxtag looks great22:08
bulldog98it was great22:08
bulldog98as apachelogger knows I also attended DS and I think I meet you valorie at meal22:09
apacheloggeryou attended DS?22:09
apacheloggerDS is a blur to me22:09
bulldog98apachelogger: yes 22:09
valorieI'll have to look at the pictures22:09
bulldog98Riddell, shadeslayer, yofel and me sang together22:10
bulldog98We will rock you22:10
valorieI suggest that next time you attend an event, you get a good picture for your wiki pages22:10
* bulldog98 is considering that22:10
valorieor a vid of singing!22:10
bulldog98second from right22:11
apacheloggerdoesn't get much better than that ... a picture with shadeslayer not being busy for exams22:11
apacheloggerbulldog98: so, why do you think we should make you member?22:11
DarkwingDuckbulldog98: what are your future plans for Kubuntu?22:11
bulldog98I think I should get a member because I want to make offical, that I want to continue contributing and that I find the project awesome22:12
valorienext Akademy/DS we need to have a kubuntu get-together22:12
bulldog98valorie: that’s the plan :)22:12
bulldog98release the next version of Kubuntu (and have lots of good reviews)22:12
* claydoh apologizes for being late22:12
apacheloggervalorie: that was when that picture was made, you just were not around :P22:13
bulldog98make an even better p release and continue until world domination is reached22:13
DarkwingDuck:D 22:13
bulldog98and even than we need to get better22:13
apacheloggerealier you said you have done some coding... what did you code?22:13
bulldog98as you know I did a little bit of zsh magic22:14
bulldog98and I tried to fix that localasation bug in ksmserver22:14
bulldog98that needs an other look22:14
bulldog98I’m also thinking about doing a Doppelkopf game22:15
DarkwingDuckbulldog98: how are you on bug triage/bug running?22:15
bulldog98and I hack a bit on kubuntu-dev-tools22:15
apacheloggerbulldog98: what is the second best kde distro?22:15
bulldog98DarkwingDuck: I did some when I did 4.7.1 and I closed quite some bugs22:15
bulldog98apachelogger: fluffy :)22:16
valorieyay for closed bugs!22:16
DarkwingDuckapachelogger: we have enough council to vote?22:16
apacheloggerbulldog98: third?22:16
apacheloggerDarkwingDuck: we always do22:16
bulldog98I also did kdepim bug triaging before kdepim 4.6 came out22:16
bulldog98apachelogger: Chakra22:16
apacheloggerbulldog98: why is that?22:16
apacheloggernot what,... why :P22:17
bulldog98because it’s better than we atm with limited internet ressources22:17
bulldog98hopefully debdelta will change that22:17
bulldog98also it’s quite fast and nice, the only thing that I really find annoying is that the artwork is not upstream artwork22:18
apacheloggerScottK: any questions?22:19
apacheloggeroh, I have got one more22:19
apacheloggerbulldog98: do you intend to become kubuntu-dev?22:19
ScottKHaving uploaded approximately a bazillion 4.7.1 packages done by him, no.22:20
bulldog98yes I’m planning to go that way, but I think it might take some time until I’m ready22:20
apacheloggerok, thank you22:21
apacheloggerScottK, DarkwingDuck: let's vote if there are no more questions22:21
ScottKAnyone else?22:21
DarkwingDuckI've asked what I wanted to22:21
DarkwingDuckHis work speaks for itself22:22
ScottK+1 from me.22:22
apachelogger+2 :P (actually neversfelde asked me to +1 for him too)22:23
apacheloggerbulldog98: congratulations and welcome to the family :)22:23
bulldog98apachelogger: thanks22:23
* bulldog98 dances a kubuntu member dance22:23
DarkwingDuckCongrats bulldog98 22:24
valorie+1 from me if I'm permitted to vote22:24
bulldog98DarkwingDuck: thanks22:24
valoriejust plain +1 if I'm not22:24
apacheloggerbulldog98: membership mail should be reaching you soon, bulldog98@kubuntu.org/ubuntu.com should become active within the next couple of days22:24
apacheloggerfor other benefits look at the wiki page somewhere22:24
bulldog98apachelogger: kool22:24
* bulldog98 already saw that22:25
apacheloggerScottK: wanna discuss the l10n stuff?22:25
DarkwingDuckvalorie: PM22:25
apacheloggerany other business?22:25
bulldog98btw I putted some 4.7.1 stuff into ppa/staging could someone put l10n into it?22:25
apacheloggerl10n goes to archive directly22:26
apacheloggerwell, if there is nothing else22:26
apacheloggerthanks everyone for attending, congrats to bulldog98, and hope to see you all at UDS22:27
bulldog98why is that happening? I know qmake is installed https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/staging/+build/2783263/+files/buildlog_ubuntu-natty-i386.perlqt_4%3A4.7.1-0ubuntu1%7Enatty1%7Eppa1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz22:27
bulldog98ScottK: kthx22:27
=== apachelogger changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu: Friendly Computing | Feature Freeze in effect - 11.10 Beta 1 Released | TODO: http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-oneiric/group/topic-oneiric-kubuntu.html | TODO: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/Packaging | Congratulations to bulldog98
valoriecongratulations bulldog9822:28
bulldog98valorie: thanks22:28
apacheloggerbulldog98: update-alternatives: using /usr/bin/qmake-qt3 to provide /usr/bin/qmake (qmake) in auto mode.22:28
apacheloggerI believe you should find out why qt3-dev-tools is installed22:28
bulldog98is perlqt needed for anything?22:29
apacheloggerusing Qt in perl I suppose22:29
ScottK .22:30
bulldog98noting than perlkde22:31
bulldog98hm I’ll put that back and do one other package, than I need to go to be22:31
bambee bulldog98: congrats!22:31
bulldog98bambee: thanks22:31
ScottKbulldog98: You should be able to push your branch now.22:33
* bulldog98 will do that22:34
bulldog98ScottK: with ~ppa1?22:36
ScottKbulldog98: NO.22:36
ScottKErr No.22:36
bulldog98ok so only ubuntu2 that was what I thought would be right22:37
ScottKThis is the kwin change, right?22:37
ScottKMake sure to merge with the other changes already there.22:38
CIA-130[lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kde-workspace] Jonathan Kolberg * 562 * debian/ (4 files in 2 dirs) Added the kwin performance patch22:44
bulldog98yeah worked22:44
ScottKCongratulations again.22:44
claydohcongrats  bulldog98!22:48
* yofel totally missed the discussion and congrats bulldog98 on membership22:49
* bulldog98 thanks yofel :)22:49
* bulldog98 goes to bed g822:50

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