[03:08] <micahg> ScottK: it'll probably be another couple days before I can get access to the porter boxes, can probably look at kdesdk in time for beta 2, but we'll be pushing it
[08:33] <bambee> morning
[08:34] <apachelogger> morning bambee
[08:34] <apachelogger> bambee: I am sure you want to get a feature freeze exception for bluedevil? ;)
[08:34]  * bambee needs a coffee first
[08:35] <bambee> apachelogger: after my coffee, sure, why not
[08:35] <apachelogger> yay
[08:40] <apachelogger> bambee: did we land touchegg 1 yet?
[08:42] <bambee> no, since touchegg 0.9 is not entirely in archives (touchegg-gui still needs reviews)
[09:21] <apachelogger> bambee: go find someone to reviw then :P
[09:22] <apachelogger> review even
[09:22] <bambee> I talk about this package since a while now... :)
[09:23] <bambee> the person who will review touchegg-gui will win cookies and chocolate :P
[09:33] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I definitely need some ical parser
[09:33] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: brisbane made qtorganizer happen
[09:33] <apachelogger> which explains a whole lot
[09:46] <valorie> do we really have a meeting in 15 mins?
[09:47] <valorie> and if so, here or in #ubuntu-meeting ?
[09:50] <apachelogger> valorie: it aint 10pm utc
[09:51] <valorie> heh
[09:51] <valorie> I missed the "pm" part
[09:51] <valorie> UTC to me is always 24 hour time
[09:52] <valorie> ok, see you in 12 hours then
[09:52] <valorie> niters
[10:33] <apachelogger> ScottK: bug 848552
[10:33] <apachelogger> IMHO invalid, if you use the opengles version you do not have a certified kubuntu-desktop no moar
[11:09] <ScottK> Doesn't the opengles version provide kwin?
[11:10] <ScottK> micahg: No one else has hardware and has volunteered to consider it, so whatever you can do, I appreciate.
[11:10] <apachelogger> ScottK: supposed to
[11:11] <ScottK> Then it should work out fine if one replaces them and the bug's invalid that way.
[11:12] <ScottK> apachelogger: Doesn't: Provides: x-window-manager
[11:12] <ScottK> Then that's the bug.  I'll fix that in bzr and comment in the bug.
[11:12] <apachelogger> ok
[11:13] <ScottK> apachelogger: You agree on that, right (as I now see you marked the kde-workspace task invalid)?
[11:13] <apachelogger> yes
[11:14] <apachelogger> swap the marking :P
[11:14] <ScottK> OK.
[11:14] <apachelogger> it is a travelling bug that one ^^
[11:23] <ScottK> Done in bzr.
[11:35] <ScottK> micahg: Should was ask cjwatson to consider it in his 5-a-day campaign?
[11:38] <ryanakca_> apachelogger: Ticket's been filed. When I asked about our other ticket (concerning what I think is a security vulnerability in our site), they said it wasn't release critical. I asked them if this ticket would be and they said it would.
[11:42] <apachelogger> possible security problem < new theme?
[11:43] <ScottK> Separate issue.
[11:46]  * bambee found nobody to review touchegg-gui, he will drown his sorrows in alcohol
[11:47]  * apachelogger has failed to look for a flat for 3 months and will have to sleep under a bridge
[11:47] <apachelogger> kubotu: order vodka
[11:47]  * kubotu slides vodka down the bar to apachelogger
[11:47]  * bambee drinks whisky and pokes apachelogger "the butterfly"
[11:47] <ScottK> apachelogger: Then quick review touchegg-gui while you still have internet.
[11:47] <bambee> he has already reviewed it :)
[11:47] <apachelogger> bambee: no poking in family friendly channels, that will cause all sorts of troubles
[11:48] <apachelogger> ScottK: despite what Quintasan says, I do work at times
[11:48] <apachelogger> after all, I somehow had to distract myself from looking for a flat
[11:48] <ScottK> OK.  Then Quintasan should review it for his sins.
[11:49] <apachelogger> easier said then done, he is distracting himself with skateboarding from doing actual work
[11:50] <ScottK> So what he really needs is a skateboarding injury that doesn't involve anything above the waist.
[11:58] <apachelogger> ScottK: should I put someone on it?
[11:58] <ScottK> Do we have anyone else in Poland to do it?
[11:59] <apachelogger> the artist
[11:59] <ScottK> Well then, Quintasan will get to reviewing if he knows what's good for him.
[12:36] <_Groo_> Quintasan: ping
[12:36] <_Groo_> hi/2 all
[12:37] <_Groo_> Quintasan: kde-config-telepathy-accounts-plugins is broken in ppa
[12:37] <_Groo_> Quintasan: someone needs to change the hard version number in kde-config-telepathy-accounts-plugins : Depends: libkcmtelepathyaccounts4 (= 0.1.0+20110831-0~natty1) but 0.1.0+20110911-0~natty1 is installed
[12:37] <ScottK> _Groo_'s presence reminds me we ought to discuss shipping old koffice versus calligra beta for oneiric.
[12:37] <ScottK> apachelogger: ^^^ thoughts?
[12:38] <apachelogger> kill koffice, kill it with fire
[12:41] <ScottK> I think _Groo_ has packages for Calligra.
[12:41] <ScottK> If you can review/file FFe, I'll approve and then you can upload.
[12:41] <_Groo_> ScottK: i do have packages for calligra yes :) but i did the backport to natty
[12:42] <_Groo_> ScottK: wasnt someone else doing them in debian that we were going to pull from bla bla bla...
[12:42] <ScottK> Right, but forward porting that to oneiric might be relatively easy?
[12:42] <ScottK> In theory.
[12:42] <_Groo_> ScottK: yeah, should be really easy yes
[12:42]  * ScottK doesn't recall.
[12:43] <_Groo_> ScottK: k, i can upload them to my ppa for review this weekend (im gonna be hacking on my hp touchie anyway)... 
[12:43]  * ScottK looks at apachelogger.
[12:43] <_Groo_> ScottK: im gonna upload to natty and oneiric and see what breaks in oneiric
[12:43] <_Groo_> could someone for the love of computing god fix the telepathy-kde ppa!!!
[12:45] <apachelogger> ScottK: I still don't have a flat
[12:46] <apachelogger> and instead of looking for one I am now reverse engineering crappy web apis :S
[12:56] <claydoh> _Groo_:  I am tempted to copy telepathy-kde pkgs to my one ppa just to fix that!! 
[12:56] <claydoh> but i have little clue on how to fix it
[12:56]  * claydoh hearts telepathy-kde
[13:00] <apachelogger> broken by design.
[13:01] <apachelogger> much like python
[13:01] <apachelogger> bug 848937
[13:10]  * ScottK is sure didrocks will fix that.
[13:10] <didrocks> ScottK: I'm bzr bd -S at the moment :)
[13:11] <ScottK> ;-)
[13:11] <didrocks> ScottK: I tested it in my ppa, building from this morning seems to do what is needed (building doc on i386, not building it on amd64)
[13:11] <ScottK> didrocks: With the docs fix for armel/powerpc?
[13:11] <ScottK> Cool.
[13:11] <didrocks> only build doc on i386, indeed
[13:12] <ScottK> fabo may want that patch for Debian since it should help a lot with building on stuff like mips/mipsel.
[13:12] <didrocks> ScottK: yeah, I tried to ping him without any chance yet, will open a bug report
[13:16]  * apachelogger totally thinks didrocks could revu touchegg-gui 
[13:17] <didrocks> apachelogger: can do for this week, if not urgent :-)
[13:17] <didrocks> apachelogger: and if you subscribe me to a bug ;)
[13:17] <apachelogger> too much work :P
[13:17] <apachelogger> Quintasan: go do revus or I will come after you with an empty wine bottle
[13:18] <apachelogger> oh, empty :O
[13:18]  * apachelogger better gets a new one
[13:19] <apachelogger> ScottK: do you compute bug 847859?
[13:20] <apachelogger> also bug 844874
[13:20] <ScottK> apachelogger: Known debconf bug.  I don't recall the number, but it should be reassigned and duped.
[13:21] <apachelogger> bug 442941 I guess
[13:22] <apachelogger> or not, cause that is fixed in ubiquity
[13:22] <ScottK> Right, but we need a fix in debconf.
[13:25] <apachelogger> so why is it marked invalid in debconf?
[13:26] <bambee> why the hell do I get a black screen (without xorg) when I remove /etc/initramfs/conf.d/splash .... (this file contains : FRAMEBUFFER = y , and is not installed by default) ?
[13:26] <ScottK> Dunno.
[13:26] <bambee> o.O
[13:26] <ScottK> apachelogger: https://projects.kde.org/projects/kde/kde-workspace/repository/revisions/af6c8e396d7d8aadb72e150fc0f157ef2114ea8a is the only 4.7.1 change in that file, so no idea.
[13:27] <apachelogger> ScottK: what file where? what bug? whut?
[13:27] <apachelogger> ah
[13:27] <apachelogger> ScottK: it seems more a generic pykde/pyqt issue
[13:27] <apachelogger> I have seen that issue before
[13:27] <ScottK> Likely.
[13:27] <apachelogger> not that the pyappletscript thing would be terribly reliable
[13:27] <apachelogger> plasma goes constantly kaboom due to bad python plasmoids
[13:27] <ScottK> So I'd reassign to pydke at the very least.
[13:27] <apachelogger> ScottK: plz do
[13:28] <apachelogger> bug 821990 :)
[13:28] <apachelogger> python + plasma makes an awesome combo
[13:31] <_StefanS_> hello
[13:32] <_StefanS_> anyone have a workaround for the qdbus symbol lookup - just curious
[13:32] <apachelogger> debfx, ScottK: didn't someone fix the background duplication?
[13:32] <apachelogger> bug 820793
[13:32] <apachelogger> I very much believe that was a link before 4.7
[13:32] <apachelogger> _StefanS_: the what?
[13:33] <_StefanS_> apachelogger: I've had a symbol lookup error on qdbus binary for some days now
[13:33] <_StefanS_> apachelogger: you havent ?
[13:33] <apachelogger> no
[13:33] <_StefanS_> apachelogger: err... 
[13:33] <_StefanS_> apachelogger: 4:4.7.4-0ubuntu1 version doesnt work for me here
[13:33] <apachelogger> debfx, ScottK: actually it was no link, it just was not there but in wallpapers to begin with :P
[13:34] <ScottK> Looks like mgraesslin's kwin fix is good to upload.
[13:34] <_StefanS_> apachelogger: qdbus: symbol lookup error: qdbus: undefined symbol: qt_dbus_metaobject_skip_annotation
[13:34] <_StefanS_> apachelogger: on fully updated oneiric
[13:37] <apachelogger> _StefanS_: locate libQtDBus
[13:37] <apachelogger> also ldconfig -p |grep QtDBus
[13:38] <_StefanS_> apachelogger: http://pastebin.com/FPwC98Xn
[13:38] <_StefanS_> apachelogger: is it the lib32 version that makes it freak out ?
[13:38] <apachelogger> possibly
[13:38] <apachelogger> ldd /usr/bin/qdbus
[13:39] <apachelogger> I do not even know what lib32 is :P
[13:39] <_StefanS_> apachelogger: http://pastebin.com/KkT73YA2
[13:40] <_StefanS_> apachelogger: its made by getlibs I think
[13:40] <_StefanS_> apachelogger: to support x86 binaries
[13:40] <apachelogger> seems ldd is resolving ot the right lib though
[13:40] <_StefanS_> apachelogger: its pretty odd
[13:40] <apachelogger> _StefanS_: which qdbus
[13:41] <_StefanS_> apachelogger: /usr/bin/qdbus
[13:41] <apachelogger> grep -ri qt_dbus_metaobject_skip_annotation /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libQtDBus.so.4.7.4
[13:41] <_StefanS_> apachelogger: Binary file /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libQtDBus.so.4.7.4 matches 
[13:41] <ScottK> Is the actual qdbus package installed?
[13:42] <_StefanS_> it is
[13:42] <_StefanS_> ScottK: ii  qdbus                                             4:4.7.4-0ubuntu1                                  Qt 4 Dbus Tool 
[13:42] <apachelogger> _StefanS_: does the lib32 so also match?
[13:42] <_StefanS_> apachelogger: I deleted that by mistake, so cant check
[13:43] <apachelogger> ah, and that does not help?
[13:43] <_StefanS_> apachelogger: not really, should I update ldconfig ?
[13:43] <apachelogger> sure why not
[13:43] <apachelogger> also reinstall qtdbus and qdbus
[13:43] <_StefanS_> qtdbus ?
[13:43] <_StefanS_> hmm
[13:44] <_StefanS_> libqt4-dbus you mea
[13:44] <_StefanS_> mean
[13:45] <_StefanS_> reinstalled both have the same error
[13:47] <apachelogger> no idea then
[13:47] <apachelogger> ScottK: what do you think about bug 820189 
[13:48] <_StefanS_> apachelogger: the one in /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libQtDBus.so.4 does not match that string
[13:48] <ScottK> Can't be a plasma bug if plasma isn't started yet.
[13:48] <ScottK> apachelogger: What controls startup sequence here?  Presumably this is from a saved session.
[13:48] <apachelogger> _StefanS_: hold on
[13:49] <apachelogger> in lib?
[13:49] <ScottK> ideally we want applications to start after the workspace anyway.
[13:49] <apachelogger> ScottK: ksmserver
[13:49] <apachelogger> it is complicated
[13:49] <_StefanS_> apachelogger: yeah
[13:49] <ScottK> So ksmserver shouldn't start apps until after the workspace is up?
[13:49] <apachelogger> to speed up stuff ksmserver restores apps asap
[13:49] <apachelogger> particularly since plasma startup takes forever and two days
[13:50] <apachelogger> _StefanS_: right, that seems all sorts of wrong TBH
[13:50] <ScottK> Sounds like an upstream design issue then.
[13:50] <apachelogger> dpkg -S libQtDBus.so
[13:50] <apachelogger> ScottK: well, upstream it is
[13:50] <apachelogger> just wondering which upstream
[13:50] <_StefanS_> apachelogger: http://pastebin.com/7scavLH4
[13:51] <apachelogger> right
[13:51] <apachelogger> /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libQtDBus.so.4.7.3
[13:51] <apachelogger> wherever you got that from
[13:51] <apachelogger> it is not supposed to be there
[13:51] <apachelogger> .
[13:51] <_StefanS_> ah hell
[13:51] <_StefanS_> probably that getlibs.sh thingy
[13:51] <_StefanS_> or some ppa
[13:51] <_StefanS_> sorry man
[13:51] <apachelogger> definitely no PPA or dpkg would know 
[13:52] <ScottK> Hmm.  Good question.
[13:52] <_StefanS_> apachelogger: probably getlibs.sh that misunderstood the arch or something
[13:52] <ScottK> apachelogger: What would happen if it were the other way around (KDE app starting before Gnome session)?
[13:53] <_StefanS_> oh my, and now it works :) - my beloved kde will work again HAHAHA
[13:53] <_StefanS_> thanks: )
[13:53] <apachelogger> ScottK: you'd only get gnome notifications
[13:53] <apachelogger> ScottK: plasma notifications are only a visual overload for knotify notifications
[13:53] <apachelogger> so kde apps would talk to knotify to show some notification and knotify would delegate to the notification api if present
[13:53] <ScottK> apachelogger: Then I vote Gnome app bug for starting the Gnome notification thingy when it's not in a Gnome environment.
[13:53] <apachelogger> i.e. either the plasma notifications or gnomes
[13:54] <ScottK> Mabye didrocks would know where it should go?
[13:54]  * didrocks backlogs
[13:56] <didrocks> ScottK: it is notify-osd or the gnome notification one which is started?
[13:56] <didrocks> apachelogger: ^
[13:57]  * ScottK looks at apachelogger as he hasn't bothered to read the bug.
[13:57] <didrocks> on gnome sessions, we start notify-osd as part of /etc/xdg/autostart/ to ensure we have our own flavor of notification
[13:57] <ScottK> Right, but this is in a KDE Plasma session.
[13:57] <didrocks> (I would think that's glib which is guilty)
[13:57] <apachelogger> gnome notifications I reckon
[13:58] <apachelogger> cause the bug report talks about ugly yellow boxes
[13:58] <didrocks> ScottK: indeed, I understood the issue, no worry on that :)
[13:58] <didrocks> let me look if glib has this kind of call
[13:58] <apachelogger> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_2lGkEU4Xs
[13:59] <didrocks> no, so should be libnotify?
[13:59]  * didrocks digs in
[14:00] <apachelogger> and bug 772486 looks very much like unity/compiz' fault
[14:00] <didrocks> apachelogger: it's not, do you export DESTKOP_SESSION in KDM?
[14:01] <didrocks> apachelogger: ok, so libnotify is making a dbus call, if plasma and the gnome-notification installed, are they both listen to the same dbus activation service?
[14:03] <apachelogger> plasma does not listen to it at all, it acquires the dbus service url when started
[14:03] <apachelogger> cd
[14:03] <apachelogger> eh
[14:03] <apachelogger> ^^
[14:03] <apachelogger> didrocks: about the DESKTOP_SESSION ... I have no idea what sets it, but my env actually has that var
[14:04] <didrocks> apachelogger: gdm and lightdm are setting it
[14:04] <apachelogger> ./kfrontend/kgapp.cpp:    setenv("DESKTOP_SESSION", "kde", 1); // for qt 4.6 only
[14:04] <apachelogger> ./config.def:  <term>DESKTOP_SESSION</term>
[14:04] <apachelogger> ./backend/client.c:        userEnviron = setEnv(userEnviron, "DESKTOP_SESSION", desksess);
[14:04] <apachelogger> mine is DESKTOP_SESSION=kde-plasma
[14:04] <apachelogger> so we do set it, at least in 4.7
[14:04] <apachelogger> that said... what spec defines that env var?
[14:04] <didrocks> apachelogger: they both set it to the .desktop file name chosen in /usr/share/xsessions/
[14:05] <didrocks> apachelogger: ahah, there is none, that's what is funny :)
[14:05] <didrocks> apachelogger: so robert_ancell tries to push it as a freedesktop spec with his lightdm approach
[14:05] <apachelogger> so I must repeat my statement... it is a bug in unity
[14:05] <didrocks> (seems gdm didn't even try, they just set it as well as GDMSESSION)
[14:05] <didrocks> apachelogger: it's not
[14:05] <apachelogger> if it not defined in any spec adopted by KDM then it is not a thing to expect from KDM
[14:05] <didrocks> apachelogger: we base the gnome-session "session" on env var, it's the only way to get it starting the right session
[14:06] <didrocks> apachelogger: I didn't say it's a bug in KDM, it's just that there is no way to start a gnome-session without env variable
[14:06] <apachelogger> so the bug is in gnome-session then :P
[14:06] <didrocks> (if you want different "gnome-session" session type, with different components)
[14:07] <didrocks> apachelogger: if you prefer :p
[14:07] <apachelogger> didrocks: we actually do that via the desktop file
[14:08] <didrocks> apachelogger: for the notification, we know what's the cause at least (and for kdm as well, even if that's not going to be fixed)
[14:08] <debfx> apachelogger: kde-workspace-data doesn't need to replace/break kdebase-workspace-wallpapers
[14:08] <debfx> that bug can be marked as fix released with kde-workspace 4:4.7.0-0ubuntu2
[14:09] <apachelogger> debfx: how is that?
[14:09] <debfx> and why did you drop kdewallpapers from the package install patch?
[14:09] <apachelogger> didrocks: couldn't you have something like "Exec=gnome-session unity" in the unity session file?
[14:10] <didrocks> apachelogger: no, because even if we fix this, compiz need an environment variable to choose its profile
[14:10] <debfx> that file has been moved to kde-workspace-data-extras
[14:10] <didrocks> apachelogger: as compiz can be used for the unity session (which enables the unity plugin in compiz) and another default session (the "ubuntu classic"
[14:11] <apachelogger> debfx: I do not follow at all
[14:11] <didrocks> apachelogger: so, we need this env variable to set it, and patching gnome-session is bad for special casing it (what I've done in lucid) as it only works then with gnome-session
[14:11] <apachelogger> didrocks: Exec=DESKTOP_SESSION=foo gnome-session unity then
[14:11] <debfx> apachelogger: /usr/share/kde4/apps/ksplash/Themes/Default/600x400/background.png is *not* in kde-workspace-data anymore
[14:12] <didrocks> apachelogger: lightdm and gdm will overwrite it
[14:12] <apachelogger> didrocks: how is that a problem though?
[14:12] <didrocks> and again, it will just work with gnome-session, I tried to make it not depending on it
[14:12] <apachelogger> + aren't they supposed to set their crap before executing the exec?
[14:13] <apachelogger> didrocks: compiz does not fork off gnome-session?
[14:13] <didrocks> apachelogger: but kdm will also overwrite it to "kde", isn't it?
[14:13] <apachelogger> didrocks: no
[14:13] <apachelogger> it will set it to some weird value that I am not entirely sure about
[14:13] <didrocks> apachelogger: gnome-session has a session file to set the required components
[14:13] <didrocks> maybe it's better to fix the weird value by something more systematic between DM?
[14:13] <didrocks> that's what robert is trying to do
[14:14] <apachelogger> well
[14:14] <apachelogger> didrocks: I do believe that the DM will not be able to temper with the env once the Exec is executed
[14:15] <apachelogger> that said, since the env var is part of the Exec command it will definitely be part of the env of the command and in all likelihood not overwritten by the DM
[14:15] <apachelogger> so I do not think that either DM will be able to overwrite it
[14:15] <apachelogger> didrocks: I'd say just try adding the env var to the Exec
[14:15] <apachelogger> if it works with LDM, KDM and GDM it is very likely to be a universally working approach ^^
[14:15] <didrocks> apachelogger: the thing is that scripts in /etc/X11/Xsession.d/ doesn't temper with Exec=envvar executable IIRC
[14:16] <apachelogger> they are executed before Exec
[14:16] <didrocks> /etc/X11/Xsession.d/20x11-common_process-args
[14:16] <didrocks>         STARTUP_FULL_PATH=$(/usr/bin/which "${1%% *}" || true)
[14:17] <didrocks> -> that won't work (I already patched it from debian to support spaces in args)
[14:17] <didrocks> apachelogger: trust me, since the last 2 years with UNR, I spent a fair amount of time with all the session stuff :)
[14:18]  * apachelogger blinks at that code there and ponders developing on Windows
[14:18] <didrocks> apachelogger: nooooooo! don't do that :-)
[14:19]  * apachelogger has an allergy to X11 really
[14:19] <apachelogger> didrocks: so... you should totally have a look if it works with KDM 4.7 as expected
[14:19] <didrocks> apachelogger: I heard that some people try to treat it with some wayl* stuff :-)
[14:19] <apachelogger> otherwise we'll have to envision a solution that actually works
[14:20] <didrocks> apachelogger: oh, as long as the session var won't be set, I can assure you it won't work
[14:20] <apachelogger> well
[14:20] <apachelogger> it is set for me
[14:20] <apachelogger> to kde-plasma
[14:20] <apachelogger> which makes me think that kdm might be silly and prefix it with kde-
[14:20] <didrocks> yeah, set to the desktop filename I intended
[14:20] <apachelogger> well, that would make sense
[14:20] <didrocks> does it set it to something else on other circumstances?
[14:21] <apachelogger> ah yeah kde-plasma.desktop
[14:21] <apachelogger> neato
[14:21] <didrocks> hum? /me is puzzled :-)
[14:21] <apachelogger> it sets it to the desktop file
[14:21] <apachelogger> BUT
[14:21] <didrocks> with .desktop? :p
[14:21] <apachelogger> without
[14:21] <didrocks> oh without?
[14:21] <didrocks> it should work then
[14:21] <apachelogger> >>> ls /usr/share/xsessions
[14:21] <apachelogger> kde-plasma.desktop
[14:22] <didrocks> so, if you launch /usr/share/xsessions/foo.desktop
[14:22] <apachelogger> >>> echo $DESKTOP_SESSION
[14:22] <apachelogger> kde-plasma
[14:22] <didrocks> and start the session "foo", you get DESTKOP_SESSION=foo?
[14:22] <apachelogger> yus
[14:22] <apachelogger> ./backend/client.c:        userEnviron = setEnv(userEnviron, "DESKTOP_SESSION", desksess);
[14:22] <didrocks> so, it should start unity and all this discussion was… uneeded? :-)
[14:22] <didrocks> is that KDM?
[14:22] <apachelogger> well
[14:23] <apachelogger> didrocks: yes
[14:23] <apachelogger> the discussion is still valid for 4.6 I suppose :P
[14:23] <didrocks> should be fine then, I don't see why it didn't start
[14:23] <didrocks> do you have bug on natty or oneiric?
[14:23] <apachelogger> natty
[14:23] <apachelogger> which has 4.6
[14:23] <didrocks> ok, yeah, on natty, it makes sense, we only used GDM
[14:23] <didrocks> and GDM was *
[14:23] <didrocks> *only* setting GDMSESSION
[14:24] <didrocks> which obviously can't be really cross desktop :-)
[14:24] <apachelogger> well, in case you want to fix it for natty ... the patch for that envrion change should be pretty SRUable
[14:25] <didrocks> apachelogger: hum, you mean, changing GDM to set DESKTOP_SESSION or KDM to set GDMSESSION?
[14:25] <apachelogger> well, you can use the same patch to do both :P
[14:25] <apachelogger> or either
[14:25] <apachelogger> or neither
[14:25] <apachelogger> although neither made no sense as it would be a useless patch ^^
[14:26] <didrocks> indeed :)
[14:26] <didrocks> making everything relying on DESTKOP_SESSION will ask for an upload of 5 components
[14:26] <didrocks> GDMSESSION is KDM seems the easiest, even if I don't really like it :/
[14:26] <apachelogger> actually
[14:26] <apachelogger> it might be dangerous
[14:27] <didrocks> apachelogger: like, getting infected? :-)
[14:27] <apachelogger> I am reasonable certain that something surely uses the var to draw weird conclusions
[14:27] <apachelogger> like "we are running gnome"
[14:27] <apachelogger> like the gnome-session makes the weird conclusion that desktop_session must be there and set to something meaningful :P
[14:28] <didrocks> apachelogger: that's more than possible indeed :-)
[14:28] <apachelogger> ScottK: you should go see a doctor about bug 759422
[14:29]  * apachelogger thinks that horos is a really bad wallpaper for the netbook
[14:29] <ScottK> Happens every time in the live session, but on a real install something redraws the screen one more time.
[14:29] <apachelogger> also it is a really bad wallpaper for the tablet
[14:30] <apachelogger>  qt_message_output (msgType=QtFatalMsg, buf=0xa0f2ed0 "Fatal Error: Accessed global static 'DataEngineManagerSingleton *privateDataEngineManagerSelf()' after destruction. Defined at ../../plasma/dataenginemanager.cpp:87") at 
[14:30] <apachelogger> <3 plasma
[14:33] <bulldog98> yofel: why is /usr/lib/libcppparser.so listed as not installed in the list missing hook (smokegen, which I’m backporting?)
[14:34] <bulldog98> yofel: ok sorry found it out, but that should go into not-installed
[14:37] <CIA-130> [kde-workspace] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20110913143732-0hedzuqygy0g6uke * debian/ (changelog control) Do not install kdewallpapers and kde-wallpapers when requesting default wallpaper installation. Only kde-wallpapers should be considered default as kdewallpapers is legacy wallpapers (now living in kdeartwork)
[14:37] <apachelogger> debfx: happy now?
[14:39] <apachelogger> ScottK: bug 641712 is epic nasty
[14:39] <ScottK> apachelogger: Agreed.  I've been using the "work around" for some time without a problem.  Not sure if we should make that the default or not?
[14:40] <apachelogger> what work around?
[14:40] <ScottK> Since mobile uses nodm and not kdm, I suspect it's OK.
[14:40] <apachelogger> more interesting
[14:40] <ScottK> Read in the bug.
[14:40] <apachelogger> why was this not forwarded?
[14:41] <ScottK> Dunno.
[14:48] <apachelogger> woah this code is creepy
[14:54] <apachelogger> now I cannot reproduce it no moar :O
[14:55] <apachelogger>         if (!passwdEdit)
[14:55] <apachelogger>             passwd1Edit->setFocus();
[14:55] <apachelogger> spot the difference :S
[14:58] <apachelogger> ScottK: I cannot reproduce it anymore, what am I doing wrong :(
[14:59] <ScottK> Dunno.
[14:59] <ScottK> I do spot the difference.
[14:59] <yofel> bulldog98: poke pinotree in #debian-qt-kde, we don't differ from them in that package (and they don't have it in not-installed)
[15:00] <apachelogger> hmmm
[15:01] <apachelogger> ScottK: it seems to have locked up
[15:01] <apachelogger> I guess that would explain why kbd input does not work no more ^^
[15:02] <ScottK> It would.
[15:02] <apachelogger> could also be a bug with vbox though
[15:05] <allee> anyone around with designer experience?  Selecting keyboard variant in Ubiquity is almost impossible for languages with long labels or keyboard names.  Important variant info is hidden behind ... :(  
[15:07] <allee> Englisch doesn't have problem as 'Layout' is so much shorter than e.g. the german 'Tastaturbelegung'
[15:09] <allee> Compare (sorry bad handy camera): http://wstaw.org/m/2011/09/13/13092011072.jpg with the unusable german variant http://wstaw.org/m/2011/09/13/13092011074.jpg
[15:09] <apachelogger> ScottK: so it was not that...
[15:09] <bulldog98> allee: unity would be #ubuntu-devel
[15:09] <apachelogger> ScottK: but this could well be a Qt bug
[15:10] <allee> bulldog98: it the qt/kde frontend
[15:10] <apachelogger> ScottK: clearly something holds focus and the dialog apparently does not try hard enough to steal focus
[15:10] <ScottK> apachelogger: Agreed.  Given that switching the kdm config can 'fix' it, that should be a hint ...
[15:11] <allee> bulldog98: I mean the ubiquity-frontend-kde   file: stepKeyboardconf.ui
[15:12] <bulldog98> ah ok
[15:13] <bulldog98> only read u at begin and y at end -> unity :)
[15:13] <ScottK> allee: I'd ask agateau if he has suggestions.
[15:13] <allee> That late in the release cycle safest method would be to convert the horizontalbox to an verticalbox as there's plenty of unused vertical space.   But I've never used designer and it not that easy 
[15:13] <allee> agateau: ^^ ping 
[15:13]  * agateau reads
[15:14]  * apachelogger points out that they should not be dropdowns to begin with
[15:14] <apachelogger> there are a bazillion layouts.. finding one in a dropdown is all sorts of not possible
[15:15] <allee> apachelogger: well  I've seen   1 - ~ 12.    Problem is that the important part of the string is cut out and replace by '...'
[15:17] <allee> There also always the common prefix $keyboardlayout  that could be stripped (much more readable) but it's late in 'O' cycle, isn't it
[15:17] <agateau> allee: I agree putting the variant in a second row is probably the simplest solution
[15:17] <agateau> allee: probably late indeed. Especially since you would need some text for the first item.
[15:18] <apachelogger>     enum Function { Authenticate, AuthChAuthTok, ChAuthTok };
[15:18] <apachelogger>     if (func != ChAuthTok) {}
[15:18] <apachelogger>     if (func != Authenticate) {}
[15:18] <apachelogger> epic
[15:18] <apachelogger> all sorts of epic
[15:18] <apachelogger> god help them if the enum grows
[15:18] <allee> agateau: really?  If one does not rename the label there should be no i18n changes.
[15:19] <agateau> allee: I mean: late for removing the common prefix.
[15:19] <agateau> allee: adjusting the layout is fine IMO.
[15:19] <allee> agateau: oh
[15:19] <allee> right
[15:19] <agateau> allee: where is that designer file?
[15:20] <agateau> ah you mentionned it
[15:20] <allee> agateau: ubiquity  trunk/gui/qt/stepKeyboardConf.ui
[15:21] <bulldog98> yofel: I started doing some stuff for natty
[15:21] <yofel> thanks
[15:22] <bulldog98> could someone push oxygen-icons 4.7.1 into natty (ppa/staging)?
[15:23] <agateau> ubiquity takes ages to branch :/
[15:23] <ScottK> allee: You'll need to check with DarkwingDuck or jjesse to see if there are screenshots that will need to be redone.
[15:23] <allee> agateau: I try to find were the common prefix can be removed for 'P'.  Hopefully a managable task for me.
[15:24] <ScottK> Because when you file for the UIFe, that'll be the first question I ask you.
[15:24] <agateau> allee: sounds like a good idea
[15:26] <Riddell> DarkwingDuck: do you know what "Give david.wonderly access to upstream docs" means in desktop-o-kubuntu-documentation-review ?
[15:26] <allee> ScottK: you ping them already didn't you? ;)  Independently: without the change the 'variant' widget is completely useless
[15:27] <allee> in some languages (like german)
[15:30] <ScottK> allee: I did just ping DarkwingDuck, but jjesse isn't on.  You'll need an answer from one of them.
[15:31] <agateau> allee: ok, I got it checked out
[15:32] <agateau> allee: the easiest way to turn the layout into two lines is to convert the horizontal layout to a QFormLayout
[15:33] <agateau> allee: I can guide you if you want
[15:34] <bulldog98> Riddell: kde account to do upstream kde work
[15:45] <debfx> apachelogger: yep, thanks
[15:46] <debfx> at some point we need to get rid of those nasty QFile::exists("/var/lib/dpkg/info/kde-wallpapers.list") checks
[15:47] <apachelogger> but how, oh how
[15:48] <debfx> yeah that's the problem
[15:48] <debfx> there is a real need for a dpkg-is-package-installed tool
[15:49]  * ScottK looks for JonTheEchnida
[15:49] <ScottK> Taco boy needs to get to work.
[15:49] <apachelogger> debfx: except I'd not want to use it
[15:49] <apachelogger> because it would be FAAAAAAT
[15:50] <apachelogger> there is no way in fluffy land that a dpkgwhatever query is faster than a file exists
[15:50] <debfx> maybe not faster, but more reliable
[15:51] <apachelogger> hardly worth it
[15:51] <apachelogger> the only other place we look for presented packages is startkde
[15:51] <apachelogger> and we would so not use a fat solution there
[15:51] <apachelogger> bad enough that we have to use plasma
[15:52] <debfx> that check already broke this cycle due to multiarch
[15:53] <debfx> didrocks: I think the latest qt upload breaks local non-i386 builds
[15:53] <didrocks> debfx: what do you mean? if you want to build it locally without debclean at the end to get the documentation?
[15:55] <apachelogger> debfx: how did it break?
[15:55] <bambee> does someone have a working plymouth on oneiric ? it does not work at all on startup (it's just not started) but it works fine on reboot/shutdown :\
[15:56] <apachelogger> ehm
[15:56] <apachelogger> AHM
[15:56] <apachelogger> AAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
[15:56] <apachelogger> ok
[15:56] <apachelogger> so
[15:56] <apachelogger> ehm
[15:57] <apachelogger> you know
[15:57] <apachelogger> but
[15:57] <apachelogger> really
[15:57] <apachelogger> eh
[15:57] <apachelogger> srsly
[15:57] <apachelogger> actually
[15:57]  * apachelogger needs a cig and then start calling yofel names
[15:57] <ejat> apachelogger: :)
[15:58]  * yofel wonders what he did now...
[15:59] <debfx> apachelogger: for multiarch-same packages the file is .list.<arch> instead of .list
[16:01] <bulldog98> apachelogger: should I put the kwin fix into bzr? I’m back in 1,5 h
[16:01] <apachelogger> debfx: so we should ls blah.list.*
[16:01] <debfx> didrocks: if the docs are only built on i386 and you still build arch:all packages, it probably can't install the doc files
[16:02] <apachelogger> yofel: +if dpkg-query -W -f='${Status}' gtk2-engines-oxygen | grep -q '^install' && dpkg-query -W -f='${Status}' kubuntu-default-settings | grep -q '^install' ; then
[16:02] <apachelogger> this is topelevel if
[16:02] <apachelogger> always evaluated
[16:02] <apachelogger> and everything you do in startkde is absolutely and entirely blocking to the login
[16:02] <didrocks> debfx: hum? arch:all will tell that to generate a doc package that will only be built on i386
[16:02] <apachelogger> so that query there is absolutely and entirely blocking the login
[16:03] <didrocks> debfx: arch:any is built on every arch
[16:03] <apachelogger> assuming the oxygen engine is installed but kds is not that will shoot 2 dpkg-queries with subsequent regex grep
[16:03] <apachelogger> only to then not do anything useful
[16:04] <debfx> didrocks: what I mean is that it breaks if you build locally with arch-all packages
[16:04] <apachelogger> yofel: that stuff needs a different solution
[16:04] <debfx> it would be better to use dh_listpackages
[16:04] <apachelogger> dpkg-query is a no-go for startkde
[16:04] <yofel> apachelogger: *that* was written by debfx
[16:04] <apachelogger> ah
[16:04] <apachelogger> debfx: !
[16:04] <didrocks> debfx: ah, if you build locally, it will indeed try that…
[16:04] <apachelogger> yofel: you could fix it though
[16:04] <apachelogger> yofel: I do not trust debfx nomoar
[16:04] <didrocks> debfx: the idea is to not build the documentation on particularly armel and powerpc
[16:04] <yofel> heh
[16:05] <didrocks> debfx: as the builders are timeouting on it
[16:05] <didrocks> debfx: and so FTBFS
[16:05] <allee> agateau: sorry afk.  tempting offer,  but I think you're much faster yourself, and I spent my time is the 'strip prefix' patch.    But if you prefer educating me in 'outdated' UI technology ... ;)
[16:05] <apachelogger> I think some of my hair turned grey
[16:05] <apachelogger> oh my
[16:05] <didrocks> debfx: please go ahead with a fix :)
[16:05] <apachelogger> also we have too many patches
[16:05] <didrocks> debfx: we basically need to know "if we are on builders and arch != i386, don't build the doc" I guess
[16:05] <debfx> didrocks: yeah, it should be all good with dh_listpackages
[16:06] <didrocks> debfx: never used that TBH
[16:06] <didrocks> oh interesting
[16:06] <didrocks> debfx: you can maybe stack a fix on bzr (do not think it needs an upload for now)
[16:07] <ScottK> bulldog98: Put the kwin fix in bzr.
[16:08] <debfx> I don't mind fixing it, but I can't do a test build right now (on my laptop)
[16:08] <didrocks> debfx: I don't have something else than i386 here
[16:09] <ScottK> didrocks: You have access to a porter box.
[16:09] <didrocks> ScottK: hum, really? I'm even not aware of that :)
[16:09] <ScottK> AFAIK all Canonical employed devs have porter box access for other archs.
[16:10] <ScottK> micahg can probably educate you on getting access if you don't have it set up as he's just going through it now.
[16:10] <ScottK> (if you don't already have access it probably won't help in this case)
[16:11] <didrocks> ScottK: yeah, I'll ask him, I was thinking it was more the armel guy or security team having access to it
[16:12] <allee> agateau: --help and man did not help :(  Has ubiquity sort of   --dry-run.  So I can test my change without ubiquity doing anything
[16:12] <didrocks> or I'll poke agateau for some tests :)
[16:16] <micahg> ScottK: if I can't figure it out, I'll ask cjwatson, but I'm still waiting for access :)
[16:17] <ScottK> Thanks.
[16:32] <lunarcloud> hello, I was contacted about helping with the release announcements?
[16:32] <ScottK> Hello lunarcloud.
[16:33] <ScottK> claydoh: ^^^ lunarcloud would like to help with making the release announcement more readable for non-techinical users (correct me if I'm wrong on that).
[16:33] <lunarcloud> that's right
[16:33] <ScottK> lunarcloud: claydoh is the person who has been doing those and I'm sure he'd be glad of the help.
[16:34] <ScottK> My recommendation is that you chat with him about your thoughts on the matter and work out how to proceed.
[16:34] <claydoh> ScottK: lunarcloud yes, less technical would be nice, especially as it is often too boring :D
[16:34] <ScottK> If you're interested in improving other aspects of the documentation, you might want to chat with DarkwingDuck.
[16:35] <claydoh> and that I may not know what I am saying, technically speaking
[16:35] <lunarcloud> I might be able to help with other docs depending on my free time later, it's a good option
[16:37] <lunarcloud> and yea, it takes a lot of work taking the technical info that we absorb all the time and present it in a friendly way. They don't always match up 1:1 technical note -to- user note
[16:40] <ScottK> lunarcloud: (and claydoh) - Maybe the way to start would be for lunarcloud to start on reworking the beta1 announcement to be more user friendly since that's normally be the basis of the beta2/final announcements.\
[16:42] <debfx> is calling dpkg-query that expensive?
[16:42] <lunarcloud> pardon - computer froze due to virtualbox
[16:46] <lunarcloud> so what do i need to know to help with the release announcements - like when are the proper deadlines and is there someone to approves it?
[16:46] <lunarcloud> well, i g2g i'll work on it
[16:58] <debfx> apachelogger: actually the file path is /var/lib/dpkg/info/gtk2-engines-oxygen:<arch>.list which makes it a bit more difficult to parse
[16:58] <debfx> also test doesn't seem to be able to handle glob expressions
[16:59] <debfx> apachelogger: what solution do you suggest?
[16:59] <debfx> ScottK: have you given up on fixing kde-runtime?
[17:00] <ScottK> debfx: I wouldn't go that far.  I'm very busy with $WORK this week, so I'd welcome anyone else taking a crack at it.
[17:02]  * debfx wonders where the kde active packagers have disappeared to
[17:05] <debfx> Quintasan, rbelem: ^
[17:10] <apachelogger> debfx: ls foo:*.list
[17:10] <apachelogger> ScottK: I give up on the kdm issue
[17:10] <apachelogger> KDM's code is epic brainfck
[17:10] <ScottK> report it upstream then.
[17:10] <apachelogger> since it has no window manager it does all sorts of weird fake focus stuff
[17:10] <debfx> apachelogger: that won't work if the the package isn't multiarch-same
[17:10] <apachelogger> ScottK: there is a report upstream
[17:11] <apachelogger> of course upstream is the nicest preson in the universe
[17:11] <apachelogger> and sez it is downstream until proofen otherwise
[17:11] <ScottK> Oh.  I thought you told me it wasn't upstreamed?
[17:11] <ScottK> One might ask what suitable proof might be?
[17:11] <apachelogger> debfx: we know whether a package is multiarch or not, right?
[17:12] <apachelogger> ScottK: holding a gun at the head of usptream I guess
[17:13] <debfx> apachelogger: yes, until some converts a package and doesn't update the check
[17:13] <debfx> *someone
[17:14] <apachelogger> very random that is
[17:14] <apachelogger> but so be it
[17:14] <apachelogger> ls foo.list || ls foo:*.list
[17:15] <apachelogger> other option
[17:15] <apachelogger> have the package install a unique file
[17:17] <_Groo_> Quintasan: ping
[17:17] <_Groo_> could someone with upload clearance fix the telepathy-kde ppa... its broken 
[17:17] <_Groo_> dpkg: kde-config-telepathy-accounts-plugins: dependency problems, but configuring anyway as you requested:  kde-config-telepathy-accounts-plugins depends on libkcmtelepathyaccounts4 (= 0.1.0+20110831-0~natty1); however:   Version of libkcmtelepathyaccounts4 on system is 0.1.0+20110911-0~natty1. 
[17:18] <_Groo_> someone hardcoded the old version in the tel-account-plugin :P
[17:20] <shadeslayer> _Groo_: gkiaga told me it will be fixed with the next daily build
[17:20] <shadeslayer> if its not, contact him on #kde-telepathy
[17:20] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: tks :)
[17:20] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ja ja, i shall look into it over the weekend
[17:20] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: i can make my own packages i just like to bug ppl till bugs are fixed XD
[17:20] <shadeslayer> i have no idea how to do it, but i'll try and take a look at iCal
[17:21] <shadeslayer> _Groo_: hehe ... then gkiagia is the guy to poke
[17:40] <bulldog98> ScottK: should I wait, if I get commit rights?
[17:40] <ScottK> bulldog98: At this point you might as well.
[17:41] <bulldog98> ScottK: didn’t get that
[17:41] <ScottK> Isn't the meeting today?
[17:41] <bulldog98> ScottK: yes
[17:41] <bulldog98> so I should wait
[17:42] <ScottK> Yes.
[17:42] <ScottK> Assuming it goes well, you'll be able to just push directly to the branch.
[17:42] <bulldog98> ok
[18:08] <_Groo_> apachelogger: ping
[18:25] <micahg> with a cert failure on konqueror, should I get a socket timeout or a more sane warning?
[18:40] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[18:40] <apachelogger> micahg: I think you should get a dialog really
[18:40] <apachelogger> who schedules a meeting at 22 UTC -.-
[18:41]  * micahg is trying to figure out if he broke qt4-x11 or if it's just being unhelpful...
[18:51] <entorb_> Moin! Stupid question: Where can I drop bugs I found testing 11.10 beta1?
[18:51] <apachelogger> depends on whether it is a bug in kde (bugs.kde.org) or kubuntu (bugs.launchpad.net/+ubuntu)
[18:52] <entorb_> oki, thanks!
[18:54] <rbelem> debfx, i will take a look on that :-)
[18:57] <rbelem> ScottK, ^
[18:58] <rbelem> debfx, ScottK, is there any chance to use old rules format?
[18:58] <rbelem> maybe that could work
[18:58] <DarkwingDuck> anyone seen jjesse?
[18:59] <DarkwingDuck> valorie: ping
[18:59]  * rbelem needs vacation to spend more time on kubuntu and kde :-)
[19:06]  * Quintasan thinks he is horribly late for something
[19:08] <bulldog98> apachelogger: me sorry
[19:08] <Quintasan> _Groo_: Well, I do not have access to the internet on my PC so I can't really do anything
[19:09] <Quintasan> debfx: Ask rbelem as I have no access to the internet
[19:09] <Quintasan> bulldog98: Were we supposed to hold a meeting today or it's my imagination or I am horribly late?
[19:10] <bulldog98> Quintasan: 22 UTC
[19:10] <Quintasan> ...
[19:10] <ScottK> rbelem: Sure.
[19:10] <Quintasan> I see, what's the agenda in short?
[19:11] <Quintasan> ScottK: It does not seem like I am getting my connection fixed tomorrow
[19:11] <Quintasan> They told me they have 72hours to act upon my complaint and nothing really changed
[19:12] <ScottK> 22 - 4 = 18, 18 - 12 = 6.  OK.  I can probably do that.
[19:12] <bulldog98> Quintasan: Membership application (by me)
[19:13] <rbelem> ScottK, nice :-)
[19:14] <Quintasan> bulldog98: Ahh, I see. I think KC is voting then
[19:14] <bulldog98> Quintasan: yep
[19:14] <Quintasan> bulldog98: Good luck then.
[19:15] <bulldog98> Quintasan: kthx
[19:15] <Quintasan> and the damn daata transmission fails :/
[19:17] <Quintasan> brrr
[19:17] <entorb_> next nooby question: Where do I post a bug concerning a harmeless boot message that is due to the interaction of ununtu as guest in virtualbox? solution is here: http://finster.co.uk/2010/11/16/virtualbox-piix4_smbus-error/
[19:18] <entorb_> the message is quite irretating therefor I would like it to disappear in the final version
[19:24] <CIA-130> [kde-workspace] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20110913192409-g3ai1r9xpa8i20wq * debian/ (2 files in 2 dirs) Fix warnings due to bogus shell code in the netbook detection (LP: #784241)
[19:44] <ScottK> debfx: "Internal Server Error" at http://felix.fobos.de/kubuntu/kubuntu-oneiric-cd-alt-amd64-diff.htm
[19:45] <ScottK> apachelogger: You didn't put the bashisms back in did you?
[19:45] <apachelogger> no
[19:45] <apachelogger> I added quotes
[19:45] <ScottK> ok
[20:03] <claydoh> apachelogger: you have your own line of boots
[20:03] <claydoh> http://www.amazon.com/Chippewa-Apache-Logger-Boots-Steel/dp/B005C0OVXU
[20:04] <apachelogger> oh no, finally my secret is out in the public
[20:04]  * apachelogger has designed wearables for the last 5 years
[20:04] <apachelogger> Oo
[20:05] <apachelogger> ok,
[20:05] <apachelogger> those boots are horrible
[20:06] <apachelogger> bulldog98: by the time of the meeting I will be shitfaced
[20:07] <claydoh> apachelogger: I would buy them, but I live in the muddy snowy frozen north :)
[20:09] <claydoh> I am going to uds-p it seems
[20:09] <claydoh> the stars have lined up just right
[20:09] <apachelogger> you are not to buy such hideous boots or I would have you hung for eye murder
[20:09] <apachelogger> yay, all hail the stars
[20:10] <bulldog98> apachelogger: as long as you can vote and think :) everything is alright :)
[20:11] <apachelogger> I will have you know that I can vote on a bottle of tequila and half a bottle of wine
[20:11] <apachelogger> there is no policy that states I have to be of sound mind
[20:12] <bulldog98> :)
[20:13] <claydoh> apachelogger: well i do have these http://www.wolverine.com/US/en-US/Product.mvc.aspx/9072M/12460/Mens/Spencer-Wolverine-Waterproof-Mid-Cut-Hiker
[20:13] <apachelogger> truth be told, I have not been sober for a meeting for 3 years
[20:14] <apachelogger> claydoh: better, not terribly fashionable either though
[20:14] <jussi> apachelogger: I thought you weren't drinking anymore... :P
[20:14] <apachelogger> tell that to my husband
[20:14] <apachelogger> he dragged me all the way to paris just to get me drunk and do things
[20:14] <jussi> and who might that be?
[20:14] <claydoh> apachelogger:  im not fashionable, I need a shoe that supports my bulk
[20:15] <apachelogger> the mighty j-b
[20:15] <apachelogger> lord presend it videolan
[20:15] <jussi> j-b?
[20:15] <apachelogger> come to think of it, we could take over the entire prn world with kdemm and vlc
[20:15] <apachelogger> muahahahahaah
[20:16] <BarkingFish> evening guys :)
[20:16] <jussi> apachelogger: it appears you should be in bed... :P
[20:16] <apachelogger> claydoh: that is the wrong POV ... style > comfort
[20:16] <bulldog98> claydoh: the domain name of the shop is nice
[20:16] <apachelogger> jussi: tell that to the bulldog98
[20:16] <BarkingFish> Got something a little unorthodox for you to look at if you don't mind.
[20:16] <apachelogger> who schedules meetings at flipping midnight
[20:16] <apachelogger> like I have time to stay up that long
[20:17] <ScottK> apachelogger: Is that password change window (for the new password bug) a KDM window or a userconfig window?
[20:17] <BarkingFish> I just put through a sudo apt-get remove on "rekonq" - the system obliged, and at the same time, it went and installed another browser which I didn't want.  Why should taking one package off, cause others to be installed?
[20:17] <claydoh> apachelogger: I shall wear such boots  just for you if ever we get to mee
[20:17] <claydoh> meet
[20:17]  * bulldog98 has to get up tomorrow at 4 UTC. apachelogger anything to add?
[20:18] <ScottK> BarkingFish: Presumably you have some other package installed that requires a web browser, so when you removed that one, it grabbed the first one on it's list.
[20:18] <bulldog98> BarkingFish: cause a browser is essential and apt-get will you not leave without a working system
[20:18] <BarkingFish> I have a web browser, ScottK - I have firefox installed
[20:18] <apachelogger> bulldog98: mitu
[20:18] <ScottK> BarkingFish: What did it install instead?
[20:18] <apachelogger> all your fault
[20:18] <BarkingFish> ScottK, Konqueror
[20:18] <apachelogger> ScottK: kdm
[20:19] <apachelogger> if you want to call it a window
[20:19] <apachelogger> I'd call it arbitary qwidget drawn centered about parenting qwidget :P
[20:20] <apachelogger> s/about/above
[20:20] <apachelogger> bambee: you should get tdfischer to gimme my other eye back
[20:20] <ScottK> BarkingFish ...
[20:20] <ScottK> $ apt-cache depends kubuntu-konqueror-shortcuts
[20:20] <ScottK> kubuntu-konqueror-shortcuts
[20:20] <ScottK>  |Depends: rekonq
[20:20] <ScottK>   Depends: konqueror
[20:20] <ScottK> That's why.
[20:20] <jussi> for what its worth, I would like to say publically that I support bulldog98 for kubuntu membership - he seems to be doing a great job. Now Im going to sleep. thank you and good night.
[20:20] <ScottK> remove kubuntu-konqueror-shortcuts if you don't want either.
[20:20] <bulldog98> jussi: g8
[20:21] <BarkingFish> right. Do I need kubuntu-konqueror-shortcuts, ScottK - since I don't actually intend to use it?
[20:21] <ScottK> No.
[20:21] <apachelogger> usrc:apachelogger-core-dev-app
[20:21] <BarkingFish> ok, and taking that off means I can nuke konqueror?
[20:21] <apachelogger> I wonder why no one ever uploaded it
[20:21] <apachelogger> jussi: nit0rs
[20:21] <ScottK> BarkingFish: Yes.
[20:21] <apachelogger> bulldog98: why is he allowed to go to bed and I am not?
[20:21] <BarkingFish> :)
[20:21] <BarkingFish> thanks ScottK 
[20:21] <ScottK> apachelogger: He's not on the KC, you are.
[20:22] <ScottK> apachelogger: It's not late.
[20:22] <ScottK> (not even were you are)
[20:22] <bulldog98> apachelogger: and you are also an proxy
[20:22] <apachelogger> depends on the POV
[20:22] <apachelogger> it is rather late to find a flat
[20:22] <bulldog98> ScottK: yeah but UTC 22 is late :)
[20:22] <apachelogger> actually VERY late
[20:22] <bulldog98> true
[20:22] <ScottK> apachelogger: That's like midnight for you, right?
[20:22] <apachelogger> it is so late, if it were any later I would not attend the meeting for lack of internetz under the bridge where I will live
[20:22] <ScottK> psssh.
[20:23] <apachelogger> ScottK: give or take some hours
[20:23] <apachelogger> alcohol makes some hours get lost at times
[20:23] <BarkingFish> ScottK, i'm gonna give you a laugh now. kubuntu-konqueror-shortcuts isn't installed :P
[20:23] <ScottK> For you particularly.
[20:23] <ScottK> BarkingFish: OK.  I'll look further.
[20:23] <BarkingFish> thanks
[20:23] <apachelogger> well, it all ends up a blur after 7 days anyway
[20:24] <apachelogger> so I guess loosing time is not that terrible
[20:24] <neversfelde> apachelogger: I forgot that email, sorry was busy with learning
[20:24] <apachelogger> I should be learning too
[20:25] <ScottK> BarkingFish: No idea.  What happens if you try to remove konqueror?
[20:25] <apachelogger> I think I have exams at some point
[20:25] <apachelogger> also did I mention that shadeslayer is having exams again? ^^
[20:25] <neversfelde> final exams oct 2012
[20:25] <BarkingFish> ScottK, just tried that, it put rekonq back on.
[20:25] <ScottK> apachelogger: It's easier to just say when he isn't.
[20:25] <neversfelde> not enough time anymore :)
[20:25] <ScottK> BarkingFish: What if you install them both and then try to remove them both?
[20:26] <apachelogger> neversfelde: are you a fully backed lawyer then?
[20:26] <apachelogger> neversfelde: you could become a character on suits
[20:26] <BarkingFish> ScottK, I'll probably break the space time continuum, but no harm in trying :)
[20:27] <neversfelde> apachelogger: no, I switched to tax consultancy some time ago
[20:28] <apachelogger> good grief, so you could help me with withholding taxes?
[20:28] <BarkingFish> ScottK, that worked.  I put them both on with kpackagekit, took them both off with kpackagekit, and it didn't moan once.
[20:29] <neversfelde> apachelogger: ofcourse not, but I could help you to get your special and very personal tax design
[20:29] <ScottK> Weird.
[20:29] <apachelogger> neversfelde: sounds all the same to me ^^
[20:29] <neversfelde> disqualified :)
[20:30] <ScottK> Tax consultancy is an interesting business.  "Here, do this paperwork, this way, and you have to send less money in."
[20:33] <neversfelde> mhh, yes you have to know the tricks. Nevertheless the exam is very hard to pass and tax law is the a very difficult branch of law
[20:33] <apachelogger> do you get to fire people?
[20:33] <apachelogger> as I have learned in the movie office space consultancy is all about firing people
[20:33] <apachelogger> also that is a rubbish movie
[20:34] <apachelogger> bored out my mind I was
[20:37] <ScottK> apachelogger: It's wrong.  Consultancy is all about invoices.
[20:38] <apachelogger> Oo
[20:38] <apachelogger> no firing people?
[20:39] <BarkingFish> apachelogger, i thought the hiring and firing was done by HR :)
[20:39] <apachelogger> well yes
[20:40] <apachelogger> but ultimately the consultant says yay or nay
[20:40] <apachelogger> ScottK: we haz so many bugs :(
[20:41] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: we will fund a secret organization at UDS
[20:41] <apachelogger> dedicated to fighting the bug invasion
[20:41] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger: I'm ready for it. :D
[20:41] <BarkingFish> and here's me on a fresh system without my packaging set up, apachelogger 
[20:41] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger: are you flying in to Orlando?
[20:41] <BarkingFish> Damn.  I need something to do :)
[20:41] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: I was thinking about going there by train, then I realized there was no direct connection
[20:42] <apachelogger> BarkingFish: you could totally triage bugs
[20:42] <bulldog98> apachelogger: are you talking about #klluminati ?
[20:42] <ScottK> apachelogger: My take on this is that ultimately the only deliverable on a consulting contract is the invoice.  Everything else is just supporting documentation.
[20:42] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger: bugger
[20:42] <apachelogger> BarkingFish: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase-workspace <-- if it is a crash and has a stacktrace attached use a sutiable reply from https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Bugs/Responses and close it as invalid
[20:43] <BarkingFish> apachelogger, I'd like to get my setup done again after transferring to my other pc, I've got no dist setup, nothing.
[20:43] <apachelogger> if the bug looks like it could be caused by kubuntu, move it to the new kde-workspace package
[20:43] <apachelogger> if the bug has a comment from me mark it as opinion and if someone asks explain to them that I am a silly person and since I commented on the bug it must be no bug or something equally  confusing ^^
[20:44] <apachelogger> ScottK: that actually sounds like fun
[20:44] <apachelogger> bulldog98: you could tell me if I am still in there
[20:44] <apachelogger> I have too many channels
[20:44] <apachelogger> I have not seen #videolan in over a week
[20:44] <apachelogger> I never get down far enough
[20:44] <bulldog98> apachelogger: no you are not there
[20:48] <apachelogger> good thing
[20:48] <apachelogger> markey:  always wants me to do things
[20:48] <apachelogger> sheytan: ping
[20:49] <sheytan> apachelogger: pong
[20:50] <apachelogger> sheytan: do you have time to make an icon and maybe some banner graphic sort of thing until end of october?
[20:50] <sheytan> apachelogger: for what? :)
[20:50] <apachelogger> secret project, if you have time I'll tell you ^^
[20:50] <apachelogger> sheytan: also a simple UI mockup for a mobile package manager application (maybe even app storish) would be cool
[20:50] <apachelogger> however completely unrelated
[20:51] <apachelogger> and the other thing is more important
[20:52] <sheytan> apachelogger: tell me :D
[20:55] <BarkingFish> I'm gonna go search my system for Quintasan's instructions on setting up my pbuilder and stuff
[20:55] <BarkingFish> bbiab
[21:25] <BarkingFish> apachelogger, is this the right way to triage the bugs?  I just found one marked as wishlist, and following the instructions, I closed it as invalid and gave the boilerplate reply from the page you pointed me to.
[21:25] <BarkingFish> ^^ https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase-workspace/+bug/602919
[21:26] <apachelogger> BarkingFish: actually no :)
[21:26] <apachelogger> or maybe it is
[21:26] <apachelogger> sec
[21:26] <BarkingFish> I followed the instructions here, apachelogger - https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Bugs/Responses#Upstream_Bugs_of_.22Wishlist.22_Importance
[21:27] <apachelogger> yes
[21:27] <apachelogger> that bug was in the wrong package to begin with
[21:27] <apachelogger> plasma-widget-menubar is maintained by canonical/agateau
[21:27] <BarkingFish> says to send all Wishlist items up to KDE, and mark as invalid
[21:27] <apachelogger> so not KDE itself
[21:27] <BarkingFish> oh bugger.
[21:28] <apachelogger> also ScottK could honor the policy :P
[21:28] <apachelogger> BarkingFish: there all fixed now
[21:28] <BarkingFish> ok, thanks.
[21:29] <BarkingFish> I'm probably better at sorting bugs out than deciding who should be sorting them, apachelogger :)
[21:29] <apachelogger> BarkingFish: the menubar is a launchpad project so you can simply click on also effects project -> select the project that is affected and it will open a new row 
[21:29] <apachelogger> https://bugs.launchpad.net/plasma-widget-menubar/+bug/602919
[21:29] <apachelogger> looks like this
[21:29] <apachelogger> BarkingFish: might be best for starters
[21:29] <apachelogger> BarkingFish: you know how to read a stacktrace?
[21:30] <BarkingFish> yeah, i just have to remember where i put the instructions for setting up.
[21:30] <ScottK> apachelogger: Which policy is that?
[21:30] <BarkingFish> And no, apachelogger - not properly
[21:31] <ScottK> apachelogger: No, the appcontrol widget is part of kde-workspace.
[21:32] <apachelogger> ScottK: what is the appcontrol widget then?
[21:32] <apachelogger> BarkingFish: oh you should learn then, try to find a crash with backtrace and I'll show you
[21:33] <apachelogger> thing is, it is actually rather easy once you know what to look for 
[21:33] <BarkingFish> !packaging
[21:33] <ScottK> apachelogger: It's the thing on the right side of the panel in plasma-netbook that lets you switch between apps.
[21:33] <apachelogger> ehm
[21:33] <apachelogger> what does that have to do with plasma-widget-menubar?
[21:33] <ScottK> Since the menubar stuff isn't upsteam yet, it's not upstreamable.
[21:33] <apachelogger> ScottK: also https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Specs/LucidBugTriagePolicy
[21:34] <ScottK> Because we have the menubar, it'd be better if the appcontrol should look a bit different.
[21:34] <apachelogger> Oo
[21:34] <apachelogger> ok
[21:34] <apachelogger> I do not get that report at all
[21:34] <BarkingFish> brb, pizza's here
[21:34] <apachelogger> ScottK: retriage as you see fit and make sure agateau understands it ^^
[21:55] <bulldog98> !time
[21:55] <bulldog98> ~time
[21:55] <kubotu> I don't know where you are, use ~time set <Continent>/<City> to let me know
[21:55] <bulldog98> ~time UTC
[21:55] <kubotu> unintelligible time
[21:56] <bulldog98> ~time London
[21:56] <kubotu> unintelligible time
[21:57] <apachelogger> where is the taco
[21:57] <bulldog98> where do we hold the meeting?
[21:57] <apachelogger> whereever I get /invited to
[21:57]  * valorie is here for the meeting - here?
[21:58] <valorie> or only for Council?
[21:58] <valorie> also, DarkwingDuck: pong
[21:58] <BarkingFish> Well I'm not gonna be able to stick around for the meeting, even though I marked I'd be coming.
[21:58] <BarkingFish> I've got to get off to bed as I have an early start to work in the morning.
[21:58] <valorie> you've been doing great work lately, BarkingFish
[21:58] <valorie> thank you
[21:59] <apachelogger> are we having a channel party?
[21:59] <BarkingFish> valorie, I'm a bit behind now, thanks to switching PC's and having to go through the whole packagers setup again
[21:59] <BarkingFish> I've lost the setup instructions, so I'm clueless there, I have no idea now what I did last time.
[22:00] <BarkingFish> I still have quintasan's basic guide to packaging, but I didn't keep the instructions for setting up pbuilder or anything like that.  Also, I need to get my GPG key and SSH key imported from Launchpad.
[22:00] <bulldog98> BarkingFish: http://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas
[22:00] <BarkingFish> I've already built a package with my key attached, and don't want to have to generate fresh keys and screw everything up
[22:01] <apachelogger> ScottK, DarkwingDuck: ping
[22:01] <apachelogger> ah
[22:01] <bulldog98> https://launchpad.net/~me/+edit-keys
[22:01] <ScottK> Hello.
[22:01] <apachelogger> MEETING
[22:01] <apachelogger> where is the taco?
[22:01] <apachelogger> who is here for the meeting?
[22:02] <ScottK> \o
[22:02]  * bulldog98 is
[22:02] <ScottK> Is there an agenda?
[22:02] <apachelogger> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Meetings
[22:02] <BarkingFish> bulldog98, I can generate a key, that's fine - I already have a package though with my key in the changelog, won't that screw up if someone tries to work on it in future?
[22:02] <apachelogger> only membership
[22:02] <valorie> o/
[22:02] <apachelogger> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/bulldog98 https://launchpad.net/~bulldog98
[22:02] <BarkingFish> ok then guys, I'll exit at this point and see you tomorrow night.  Gone 11pm BST here, so I'm out to bed.
[22:02] <apachelogger> bulldog98: please tell us about yourself
[22:03] <apachelogger> and where you got this nick from
[22:03] <BarkingFish> bbfn :)
[22:03] <bulldog98> My name is Jonathan Kolberg. I’m 19 years old and in about 2 weeks I’ll start studying computer sience
[22:03] <apachelogger> bulldog98: also what changed since you last applied
[22:04] <bulldog98> k
[22:04] <valorie> Fluffy user!
[22:05] <bulldog98> My nickname comes from the word Bulldog (means tractor in our local speach)
[22:05] <bulldog98> yes and I use Fluffy not too much in the last time, but I like fluffyness
[22:06] <valorie> :-)
[22:06] <apachelogger> bulldog98: is it true you are the new maintainer of fluffy? when will be the next release?
[22:06] <bulldog98> What changed is that I gained lots of experiance and I finally started to get some coding
[22:06] <bulldog98> apachelogger: when it’s ready :P
[22:06] <valorie> I'm interested in your LoCo involvement, bulldog98
[22:06] <valorie> what sort of events do you have?
[22:06] <DarkwingDuck> o/
[22:07] <apachelogger> yo master DarkwingDuck
[22:07] <bulldog98> valorie: LinuxTag2010 and 11 in Berlin
[22:07] <DarkwingDuck> Sorry I'm late.
[22:07] <valorie> or is it more translations and documentation
[22:07] <bulldog98> http://linuxtag.org
[22:07] <DarkwingDuck> valorie: need to talk after meeting
[22:07] <valorie> I'm here for ya
[22:07] <bulldog98> valorie: It’s user support in a forum and news
[22:07] <valorie> so you don't do release parties and such?
[22:08] <bulldog98> valorie: we live in Germany, Switzerland and Austria geting a release party done is horor
[22:08] <valorie> Linuxtag looks great
[22:08] <bulldog98> it was great
[22:09] <bulldog98> as apachelogger knows I also attended DS and I think I meet you valorie at meal
[22:09] <apachelogger> you attended DS?
[22:09] <apachelogger> DS is a blur to me
[22:09] <bulldog98> apachelogger: yes 
[22:09] <apachelogger> bummer
[22:09] <valorie> I'll have to look at the pictures
[22:10] <bulldog98> Riddell, shadeslayer, yofel and me sang together
[22:10] <bulldog98> We will rock you
[22:10] <valorie> I suggest that next time you attend an event, you get a good picture for your wiki pages
[22:10] <valorie> :-)
[22:10]  * bulldog98 is considering that
[22:10] <valorie> or a vid of singing!
[22:10] <apachelogger> http://people.canonical.com/~jriddell/DSCF5811.JPG
[22:11] <bulldog98> second from right
[22:11] <apachelogger> doesn't get much better than that ... a picture with shadeslayer not being busy for exams
[22:11] <apachelogger> bulldog98: so, why do you think we should make you member?
[22:11] <DarkwingDuck> bulldog98: what are your future plans for Kubuntu?
[22:12] <bulldog98> I think I should get a member because I want to make offical, that I want to continue contributing and that I find the project awesome
[22:12] <valorie> next Akademy/DS we need to have a kubuntu get-together
[22:12] <bulldog98> valorie: that’s the plan :)
[22:12] <bulldog98> Future:
[22:12] <bulldog98> release the next version of Kubuntu (and have lots of good reviews)
[22:12]  * claydoh apologizes for being late
[22:13] <apachelogger> valorie: that was when that picture was made, you just were not around :P
[22:13] <bulldog98> make an even better p release and continue until world domination is reached
[22:13] <DarkwingDuck> :D 
[22:13] <bulldog98> and even than we need to get better
[22:13] <apachelogger> ealier you said you have done some coding... what did you code?
[22:14] <bulldog98> as you know I did a little bit of zsh magic
[22:14] <bulldog98> and I tried to fix that localasation bug in ksmserver
[22:14] <bulldog98> that needs an other look
[22:15] <bulldog98> I’m also thinking about doing a Doppelkopf game
[22:15] <DarkwingDuck> bulldog98: how are you on bug triage/bug running?
[22:15] <bulldog98> and I hack a bit on kubuntu-dev-tools
[22:15] <apachelogger> bulldog98: what is the second best kde distro?
[22:15] <bulldog98> DarkwingDuck: I did some when I did 4.7.1 and I closed quite some bugs
[22:16] <bulldog98> apachelogger: fluffy :)
[22:16] <valorie> yay for closed bugs!
[22:16] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger: we have enough council to vote?
[22:16] <apachelogger> bulldog98: third?
[22:16] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: we always do
[22:16] <bulldog98> I also did kdepim bug triaging before kdepim 4.6 came out
[22:16] <bulldog98> apachelogger: Chakra
[22:16] <apachelogger> bulldog98: why is that?
[22:16] <bulldog98> http://chakra-project.org
[22:17] <apachelogger> not what,... why :P
[22:17] <bulldog98> because it’s better than we atm with limited internet ressources
[22:17] <bulldog98> hopefully debdelta will change that
[22:18] <bulldog98> also it’s quite fast and nice, the only thing that I really find annoying is that the artwork is not upstream artwork
[22:19] <apachelogger> ScottK: any questions?
[22:19] <apachelogger> oh, I have got one more
[22:19] <apachelogger> bulldog98: do you intend to become kubuntu-dev?
[22:20] <ScottK> Having uploaded approximately a bazillion 4.7.1 packages done by him, no.
[22:20] <bulldog98> yes I’m planning to go that way, but I think it might take some time until I’m ready
[22:21] <apachelogger> ok, thank you
[22:21] <apachelogger> ScottK, DarkwingDuck: let's vote if there are no more questions
[22:21] <ScottK> Anyone else?
[22:21] <DarkwingDuck> I've asked what I wanted to
[22:22] <DarkwingDuck> His work speaks for itself
[22:22] <ScottK> +1 from me.
[22:22] <DarkwingDuck> +1
[22:22] <apachelogger> hm
[22:23] <apachelogger> +2 :P (actually neversfelde asked me to +1 for him too)
[22:23] <apachelogger> bulldog98: congratulations and welcome to the family :)
[22:23] <bulldog98> apachelogger: thanks
[22:23] <bulldog98> :)
[22:23]  * bulldog98 dances a kubuntu member dance
[22:24] <DarkwingDuck> Woot!
[22:24] <DarkwingDuck> Congrats bulldog98 
[22:24] <valorie> +1 from me if I'm permitted to vote
[22:24] <bulldog98> DarkwingDuck: thanks
[22:24] <valorie> just plain +1 if I'm not
[22:24] <valorie> :-)
[22:24] <apachelogger> bulldog98: membership mail should be reaching you soon, bulldog98@kubuntu.org/ubuntu.com should become active within the next couple of days
[22:24] <apachelogger> for other benefits look at the wiki page somewhere
[22:24] <bulldog98> apachelogger: kool
[22:25]  * bulldog98 already saw that
[22:25] <apachelogger> ScottK: wanna discuss the l10n stuff?
[22:25] <DarkwingDuck> valorie: PM
[22:25] <apachelogger> any other business?
[22:25] <bulldog98> btw I putted some 4.7.1 stuff into ppa/staging could someone put l10n into it?
[22:26] <apachelogger> l10n goes to archive directly
[22:26] <bulldog98> k
[22:26] <apachelogger> well, if there is nothing else
[22:27] <apachelogger> thanks everyone for attending, congrats to bulldog98, and hope to see you all at UDS
[22:27] <ScottK> Congrats
[22:27] <bulldog98> why is that happening? I know qmake is installed https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/staging/+build/2783263/+files/buildlog_ubuntu-natty-i386.perlqt_4%3A4.7.1-0ubuntu1%7Enatty1%7Eppa1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[22:27] <bulldog98> ScottK: kthx
[22:28] <valorie> congratulations bulldog98
[22:28] <bulldog98> valorie: thanks
[22:28] <apachelogger> bulldog98: update-alternatives: using /usr/bin/qmake-qt3 to provide /usr/bin/qmake (qmake) in auto mode.
[22:28] <bulldog98> ah
[22:28] <apachelogger> I believe you should find out why qt3-dev-tools is installed
[22:29] <bulldog98> is perlqt needed for anything?
[22:29] <apachelogger> using Qt in perl I suppose
[22:30] <ScottK>  .
[22:31] <bulldog98> noting than perlkde
[22:31] <bulldog98> hm I’ll put that back and do one other package, than I need to go to be
[22:31] <bambee>  bulldog98: congrats!
[22:31] <bulldog98> +d
[22:31] <bambee> :D
[22:31] <bulldog98> bambee: thanks
[22:33] <ScottK> bulldog98: You should be able to push your branch now.
[22:34]  * bulldog98 will do that
[22:36] <bulldog98> ScottK: with ~ppa1?
[22:36] <ScottK> bulldog98: NO.
[22:36] <ScottK> Err No.
[22:37] <bulldog98> ok so only ubuntu2 that was what I thought would be right
[22:37] <ScottK> This is the kwin change, right?
[22:38] <bulldog98> yep
[22:38] <ScottK> Make sure to merge with the other changes already there.
[22:44] <CIA-130> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kde-workspace] Jonathan Kolberg * 562 * debian/ (4 files in 2 dirs) Added the kwin performance patch
[22:44] <bulldog98> yeah worked
[22:44] <ScottK> Congratulations again.
[22:48] <claydoh> congrats  bulldog98!
[22:48] <bulldog98> thanks
[22:49]  * yofel totally missed the discussion and congrats bulldog98 on membership
[22:49]  * bulldog98 thanks yofel :)
[22:50]  * bulldog98 goes to bed g8