[00:20] <majtophat> I am running kubuntu 11.10 beta1 and for some reason i cannot log off
[00:20] <majtophat> whenever I do something crashes and it just stops on a black screen
[00:22] <winut> fixed: installed user is not member of audio group = wine fails to load -> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1627558 added user to audio group in computer / system settings / user accounts on kubuntu
[00:39] <ubuntu__> this grub thing is pissing me off..
[00:41] <winut> why?
[00:41] <ubuntu__> i cant fix it
[00:41] <ubuntu__> i lost my grub, now its going nuts..
[00:41] <ubuntu__> im stuck at a grub rescue prompt.. with NO commands..
[00:42] <winut> reinstall grub?
[00:42] <pune> you can boot a liveCD, chroot to your hard drive, and fix grub
[00:43] <ubuntu__> winut, w.e.
[00:43] <ubuntu__> pune, i have been liveCD'd into this for a LONG time
[00:44] <anonop05> anyone, i need help with an old kde bug. when i log out of kde, black screen with only cursor showing.
[00:44] <ubuntu__> i tried using that grub-repair, but it complains about a 64bit system
[00:44] <ubuntu__> im going in circles here.
[00:45] <winut> do you have a 64bit live dvd?
[00:45] <ubuntu__> winut, no-
[00:45] <winut> if not, i suggest you download one
[00:45] <ubuntu__> the system is a 32bit system
[00:45] <winut> ok, understood
[00:46] <winut> might be worth a try tho
[00:46] <pune> yeah,  i wolud use the same architecture/distro/ect for the liveCD as what is on your system
[00:46] <ubuntu__> nope
[00:46] <ubuntu__> winut, i've tried to boot this computer with a 64bitliveUSB.
[00:46] <ubuntu__> it doesnt work
[00:47] <winut> so its not 64bit then
[00:47] <winut> ?
[00:47] <ubuntu__> correct.
[00:48] <winut> :-)
[00:48] <winut> do you need to repair the harddrive, was it corrupted?
[00:49] <ubuntu__> no- i had like 5 partitions, deleted one.. which appearently the grub was on. IDK y it was there..
[00:49] <ubuntu__> so- i have Win7, and Kubuntu on the 500gb drive, but i cant get it to boot
[00:50] <ubuntu__> when it boots, it says: Error: no such partition. grub rescue>
[00:50] <pune> install grub to one of those, then tell your bios to boot off tht hard rdive
[00:50] <ubuntu__> so i know i simply have to fix, reinstall.. w.e.- but.. AHHHHHHHHHh
[00:50] <ubuntu__> there is only one HD, it is booting off the ONLY HDD in the system,
[00:51] <ubuntu__> Its a grub issue- and i dont know grub
[00:56] <winut> can you reinstall grub from the install disk? maybe by text mode?
[00:56] <winut> can anyone chime on this?
[01:10] <Kimlaroux> winut, what's the problem, not booting?
[01:11] <winut> its for: ubuntu__:
[01:11] <winut> he deleted his grub partition
[01:12] <Kimlaroux> uh... a grub partition... it's more trouble than anything
[01:15] <pune> im playing with this kubunu startup disk creator.  it will only let me select 4.0GB for free space to store documents and stuff.  is there any way to bumb that up?
[01:17] <pune> also, i see it is wanting to use /dev/sdX1.  so it will use a partition?  can i just make 2 partitions on the drive and let it use 1 of them for the startup disk?
[01:18] <valorie> pune, maybe try MultiSystem instead?
[01:18] <valorie> I've had the best luck with that
[01:18] <valorie> for persistence
[01:18] <pune> is it in the repos?
[01:18] <valorie> no, it's a script
[01:19] <valorie> http://www.pendrivelinux.com/multiboot-create-a-multiboot-usb-from-linux/
[01:20] <valorie> what's especially nice is that for testing, etc. you can have the betas, or dailies, or whatever
[01:20] <valorie> very nifty script
[01:22] <pune> where do the distros save their data and settings to when you run them?
[01:24] <valorie> also http://www.linuxtoday.com/news/2011041600241OPSW
[01:24] <valorie> that I'm not sure
[01:25] <pune> hmm.  i see that the ubuntu startup disk creator made the entire partition 1 huge FAT32 filesystem.  i guess that would exploit the 4.0GB limit for storage.  it must be putting them all inside 1 container file in the filesystem
[01:25] <valorie> but i've been using it successfully for over 6 months
[01:25] <pune> explain^
[01:29] <valorie> let's see if ubottu knows
[01:29] <valorie> !livecd
[01:29] <valorie> wow
[01:29] <valorie> underwhelming
[01:32] <valorie> pictures here: http://www.rwdubsreviews.com/2011/04/multisystem-live-usb-multiboot.html
[01:35] <pune> wow.  i feel like an idiot now.  all these years ive been using a live CD.  this live usb thing is already 1000x better
[01:35] <pune> kudos to whoever invented this thing
[01:35] <ssfdre38> what is the default sda is for kubuntu?
[01:36] <ssfdre38> is it sda4?
[01:36] <pune> im not too fond of the 4GB limit to save data.  but its still better than the 0GB you get with a liveCD
[01:39] <shane2peru> does anyone know how I can see and control my desktop from another computer on my LAN?  I know there are programs that exist for this, but I don't have a clue about them.
[01:40] <ssfdre38> teaeviewer
[01:40] <ssfdre38> teamviewer*
[01:40] <shane2peru> ssfdre38: is it pretty easy to use and setup?
[01:40] <pune> krdc and krfb
[01:41] <pune> one of them is the server and one of them is the client
[01:41] <pune> they both have a noob-friendly GUI
[01:41] <shane2peru> teamviewer seems to be a windows app, thanks pune
[01:41] <pune> teamviewer runs on linux
[01:41] <ssfdre38> i have it installed already im just wondering cause im installing another distro and i have 2 partitons and i dont want to delete kubuntu
[01:42] <shane2peru> under wine?
[01:42] <pune> no, natively
[01:42] <ssfdre38> you can get the .deb pkg of teamviewer
[01:42] <pune> http://www.teamviewer.com/en/download/index.aspx
[01:42] <shane2peru> ohh, ok
[01:42] <pune> but i still reccommend krdc and krfb
[01:43] <shane2peru> now, which would probably be easier?  krdc, and krfb
[01:44] <pune> if you are using wireless, you want to use medium setting.  high resolution lags a little bit
[01:44] <pune> if both computers are connected to ethernet, you can use the high res settings
[01:44] <shane2peru> ok, thanks pune
[01:44] <shane2peru> krdc is the client
[01:46] <pune> the only issue ive had with them is when sharing from a computer with 2 monitors and 1 huge desktop.  it tries to share the entire desktop with the other computer.  so when i do it on my laptop, its a bit odd trying to manage 2 desktops on the 1 screen
[01:46] <shane2peru> pune: glad you mentioned that!  That is my exact setup
[01:46] <shane2peru> I didn't even think of that.
[01:47] <pune> if you have the dual monitor setup to use separate x-servers, then you dont get the issue
[01:47] <shane2peru> I do a lot of ssh, and even ssh -X but, sometimes that doesn't do it all.
[01:47] <shane2peru> hmm, I'm not sure how I have it setup, one desktop, across two screens
[01:48] <pune> if you can drag a window from one of them to the other, its the same x-server
[01:48] <shane2peru> right, I can do that.
[01:48] <pune> different x-servers gives you different task bars and a clock and widgets and everything on each screen
[01:48] <ssfdre38> what is the command to see what the current partition is?
[01:48] <shane2peru> ssfdre38: sudo fdisk -l
[01:49] <shane2peru> ssfdre38: oh, wait, that shows you all the partitions
[01:49] <pune> also, i like the server that comes with ubuntu a little bit better than krfb
[01:49] <shane2peru> ssfdre38: and then mount will show you what is mounted where.
[01:49] <ssfdre38> im just trying to figure out my current partition
[01:50] <shane2peru> if you know what it is mounted under (the location or name) then:  mount
[01:50] <pune> it runs more in the background all the time.  krfb is more like a 1 time at a time thing.  it doesnt start and run in the background
[01:51] <ssfdre38> i found it im just trying find out to install Fedora as a second OS for testing
[01:51] <shane2peru> pune, what server?
[01:51] <pune> im not sure,  i think it was already installed in ubuntu 10.04.  i might have gotten it from the repos
[01:52] <shane2peru> and you can see your desktop without the krdc?
[01:52] <pune> i have to use krdc ( or some other client ).  but i dont have to manually start the server
[01:53] <pune> if you use krfb, you have to manually start it up in order for clients to connect
[01:53] <shane2peru> sometimes I have apps running on my desktop, say like tomboy, and I don't want to tinker around with ssh, and copy stuff I just want to look at my desktop, click on the icon by the clock, and run that app that is already running on my desktop and see a note or something
[01:54] <shane2peru> Oooh, I see, I thought they were one and the same program, server, and client type deal
[01:54] <shane2peru> like openssh server and client
[01:54] <pune> this is the server i used on ubuntu
[01:54] <pune> http://www.ubuntugeek.com/share-your-ubuntu-desktop-using-remote-desktop.html
[01:55] <shane2peru> ahh, a link!  Thanks!!! ;)
[01:56] <pune> then, while that is running on the ubuntu computer, i fired up krdc on my laptop and i can control my desktop
[01:56] <shane2peru> hmm, that is vnc, I think I tinkered with that before when I used Gnome
[02:08] <winut> any idea how to fix sampling rate issues on amarok? thanks
[02:09] <winut> im using 11.10 with kxstudio main ppa for jack 2
[02:12] <winut> some stations play to fast, like twice the speed! lol
[02:12] <winut> chipmunk chat shows :-)
[02:12] <winut> what is the default phonon backend in kubuntu 11.10?
[02:12] <winut> im not at the machine atm
[02:26] <axdsan> Whats the irc address of normal Mibbit Connection? like if I go to mibbit and want to directly connect to a chanlle
[02:26] <axdsan> channel*
[02:26] <axdsan> there you don't have to put like .. irc.mibbit.com port blabalabl
[02:26] <axdsan> you go there and put achannel and it connects  I would like to get that address
[02:30] <SIR_Taco> axdsan: not sure what you're asking
[02:30] <valorie> axdsan: you might look at the mibbit website
[02:30] <valorie> not sure why you think we would know that?
[02:30] <valorie> it has nothing to do with Kubuntu support
[02:34] <SIR_Taco> axdsan: the reson you don't have to connect using: irc.something.whatever on mibbit is because they have done that for you. They give you a list of "supported" irc networks, and off you go... you just select it from a list
[02:35] <SIR_Taco> Looks like they have about 30... I can assure you there are many many more than 30 irc networks out there
[03:01] <axdsan> #puertorico
[03:01] <SIR_Taco> axdsan: type "/join #puertorico"
[03:02] <SIR_Taco> or just "/j #puertorico"
[03:05] <Roey> hola folks
[03:06] <Roey> I had pasted this to #alsa and then realized I should have asked here instead:
 hey why might mpg123 sound fine but mplayer and amarok sound distorted??
 like, quantized
 I tried 'sudo alsa reload'
[03:06] <FloodBotK2> Roey: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[03:06] <FloodBotK1> Roey: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[03:06] <Roey> to no avail.
[03:07] <Roey> oh.
[03:07] <Roey> I did killall pulseaudio and now sound works again.
[03:07] <Roey> grrrrr pulseaudio!!
[03:08] <SIR_Taco> so, you have it working then?
[03:12] <Roey> yes indeed
[03:18] <ssfdre38> how can i get a partition off the system?
[03:44] <SIR_Taco> ssfdre38: you want to merge partitions?
[03:44] <ssfdre38> well i want to delete it but its not allowing me to
[03:44] <SIR_Taco> ssfdre38: how are you trying to delete it?
[03:45] <ssfdre38> Disk Utility
[03:45] <SIR_Taco> ok... what kind of partition?
[03:46] <ssfdre38> LVM2
[03:46] <SIR_Taco> have you backed up the information on the partitions you don't wish to remove?
[03:46] <ssfdre38> its empty
[03:48] <SIR_Taco> all the partitions on the disk(s) are empty?
[03:48] <ssfdre38> yea
[03:49] <ssfdre38> well i was trying to install Fedora on its own partition
[03:49] <SIR_Taco> have you tried cfdisk?
[03:50] <ssfdre38> dont really know how to use it
[03:51] <SIR_Taco> ssfdre38: it's not too complex... but if you have physical access to the machine, you could make a Gparted liveCD and just boot from the disc, and change the partitions that way (it's all GUI driven)
[03:51] <diogo> ola boa noite
[03:51] <ssfdre38> well its all on my thumb drive
[03:52] <ssfdre38> well the installer for Kubuntu
[03:52] <SIR_Taco> ssfdre38: so you're trying to remove the installer for Kubuntu off your thumb drive?
[03:53] <SubCool> can someone help me with grub
[03:53] <ssfdre38> no a partition off my main drive called LVM2
[03:53] <SubCool> lvm2? - VMWARE!!
[03:54] <SIR_Taco> ssfdre38: ok... please try to explain what you're trying to do exactly
[03:54] <ssfdre38> i want to delete the second partition lvm2 off my drive to get the space back
[03:55] <SubCool> I ahve a 500gb drive, split up a into WIn7, Kubuntu, and an old version of Kubuntu for which i delted the partition. It appears that partition held the grub information i need to boot. Can someone help me fix it?
[03:56] <SubCool> ssfdre38, gparted the partition and delete it. How are you goign to merge the remaining space? Extend an active partition?
[03:56] <ssfdre38> yea
[03:57] <ssfdre38> i was trying to install Fedora on my computer as a second OS to test it
[03:59] <SIR_Taco> ssfdre38: the easy way, is get the Gparted CD, or you can use the KDE Partition manager if you have it installed, format the partition, and resize if needed... just be warry that it could mess up the drive
[03:59] <ssfdre38> i already backed up my home dir
[04:01] <SIR_Taco> ssfdre38: both options are graphical, so you can see what you're doing, but I suggest checking and double checking to make sure you're not removing a partition you need
[04:02] <ssfdre38> i made sure
[04:02] <SIR_Taco> SubCool: http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/ubuntu/reinstall-ubuntu-grub-bootloader-after-windows-wipes-it-out/
[04:02] <SubCool> SIR_Taco, thanks, tried that one already
[04:03] <ssfdre38> SubCool, why not just reformat that virus i mean windows
[04:03] <SIR_Taco> SubCool: do you know what harddrive and which partition your boot directory is on? (ie your linux partition)
[04:10] <SubCool> its my moms computer, and- um. SIR_Taco i thought i did, but everything seems to be really screweed up. still waiting on the system to boot..
[04:13] <SIR_Taco> the reason I ask is because of the commands on that page.... if your linux partition is the 1st drive and the 1st parition then (hd0,0) is right... if it's first drive and 2nd partition it would be (hd0,1), etc.
[04:14] <SubCool> SIR_Taco, ya- i ran into that major is.. running GRUB, it error'd when i did setup (hd0)
[04:15] <SubCool> I ran into that**
[04:16] <SIR_Taco> SubCool: what version of Kubuntu?
[04:16] <SubCool> 11.04
[04:20] <SIR_Taco> SubCool:  you have two options 1)https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2#ChRoot 2)http://sourceforge.net/p/boot-repair/home/Home/
[04:20] <SIR_Taco> second is probably more user friendly, but you'll have to download a liveced
[04:20] <SIR_Taco> livecd even
[04:21] <SubCool> SIR_Taco, i did the boot-repair. every time i run it, it says ihave to run it in 64bit mode,
[04:22] <SubCool> the machine is a 32bit machine
[04:22] <SIR_Taco> SubCool: shouldn't matter
[04:23] <SubCool> SIR_Taco, tell that to the error
[04:23] <SIR_Taco> ok, what error are you getting?
[04:24] <SIR_Taco> and how are you trying to fix the problem?
[04:24] <SubCool> that 64bit error, gonna take a min for me to reproduce,
[04:24] <SubCool> im trying anything that doesnt look like it will destroy my drive.
[04:28] <SIR_Taco> are you using a livecd?
[04:30] <maoboo> test
[04:30] <maoboo> test
[04:30] <SIR_Taco> D-
[04:32] <SIR_Taco> SubCool: ?
[04:36] <SubCool> SIR_Taco, LiveUSB- sorry, trying to get the box to boot now. It just wont start. Im going ot have to use another liveUSB
[04:37] <SIR_Taco> SubCool: did you try the chroot option in the first link?
[04:39] <SubCool> no-
[04:39] <SIR_Taco> it's the way to go if you know the paritions
[04:44] <SubCool> SIR_Taco, i can use gparted to get their location, but- im still pretty fearful
[04:45] <SIR_Taco> SubCool: it would give you an idea... but so would using cfdisk.... just don't hit 'write' only 'quit' when you're done looking
[04:48] <SIR_Taco> SubCool: for instance you can type "sudo cfdisk /dev/sda" (which is your first master drive) or "sudo cfdisk /dev/sdb" (which is your first slave drive)
[04:48] <ssfdre38> ok how can i add the free space to my current partition
[04:52] <SIR_Taco> ssfdre38: you can use the KDE parition manager under Kmenu->Applications->System (if  you don't have it installed you can install it by using the command line and typing "sudo apt-get install partitionmanager" or looking up KDE partition manager in your package manager, like Muon or KPackageKit)
[04:52] <ssfdre38> well ive been using Disk Utility
[04:54] <ssfdre38> parition manager doesnt allow me to move the free space to my current partition
[04:55] <SIR_Taco> the Mac Disk Utility?
[04:55] <ssfdre38> the Ubuntu one and when i switch over to KDE Partition Manager it still doesnt allow me to do it
[04:56] <SIR_Taco> ssfdre38: do you get an error?
[04:56] <ssfdre38> i just cant see the option for it
[04:58] <SIR_Taco> for KDE patition manager, you should be able to click the bar (showing the distribution of disk space near the top) and select "Parition" from the menu at the top, then "Resize".... just make sure you resize the partition with data on it not the empty one
[04:59] <ssfdre38> doesnt allow me
[04:59] <ssfdre38> it has a lock on it
[05:00] <SIR_Taco> ssfdre38: are you currently using that parition?
[05:00] <ssfdre38> yea
[05:00] <SIR_Taco> ssfdre38: that would be why
[05:00] <ssfdre38> so i should use the installer to do it?
[05:01] <ssfdre38> well the system installer
[05:02] <SIR_Taco> ssfdre38: not sure if you can change paritions without actually re-installing....
[05:03] <SIR_Taco> using the install CD I mean
[05:03] <ssfdre38> well i just want to add the free space over
[05:04] <ssfdre38> well for me its install thumb drive
[05:04] <SIR_Taco> You should be able to use the "Try Kubuntu" option from the install cd and you should have KDE partition manager there, and you can do it
[05:04] <ssfdre38> yea im going to in a bit
[05:06] <SIR_Taco> the drive can't be mounted if you want to change the size of it... that's the main point
[05:06] <ssfdre38> yea
[06:25] <ssfdre38> i hate how long it took to move over 50gb of free space to my boot partition
[06:26] <valorie> well, but double or triple checking the data is good though, right?
[06:26] <valorie> I never complain if the data comes through OK
[06:26] <ssfdre38> yea it all came back gree
[06:26] <ssfdre38> green*
[07:33] <jussi> !skype
[07:33] <jussi> ali_: ^^
[07:34] <jussi> !wine | ali_
[08:00] <hidensoft_> hi every body
[08:04] <hidensoft> what is keyboard layout switch shortcut ?
[08:04] <hidensoft> i mean where is configuration
[08:06] <hidensoft> no one know ?
[08:25] <valorie> hidensoft: I assume Systemsettings
[08:25] <valorie> !keyboard
[08:25] <valorie> heh
[08:35] <hidensoft> valorie: i use kde :) its not kubuntu channel ?
[08:36] <valorie> yes, but the bot is for all Ubuntu chans
[08:36] <hidensoft> valorie: he he :))
[08:40] <hidensoft> valorie: i can't find keyboard layout in language this is for kde 3 ?
[08:43] <valorie> not sure, sorry
[08:43] <valorie> sec
[10:10] <markit> hi, any plan to have kde 4.7.1 in natty? (with apropriate ppa)
[10:17] <elkng> I've mounted DVD to "/mnt/iso" and all packages now resides in "/mnt/iso/pool/main" if I want to install some package it will ask some dependencie, how can I get all dependencies installed automatically from this mounted directory ?
[10:18] <well_laid_lawn> !repo | elkng
[10:19] <well_laid_lawn> make a repo from that dir
[10:45] <pawel_> hi
[10:45] <pawel_> will KDE 4.7.1 get into Kubuntu 11.04 backports?
[10:49] <saLOUt> apachelogger: Hey apachelogger, you helped me one to create a deb package for my kubeplayer project. I think the project is mature enough to get in the extra repositories. Would you please help me by preparing the deb?
[10:49] <apachelogger> saLOUt: extra repositories?
[10:51] <saLOUt> apachelogger: i don't know the naminge conventions of other distributions. ;) opensuse has some additional repos for apps like that.
[10:52] <saLOUt> apachelogger: https://projects.kde.org/projects/playground/multimedia/kubeplayer/repository
[10:55] <apachelogger> saLOUt: option 1: you create your own personal package archive (https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA) and put the package there (meaning you can update whenever you want to etc.); option 2: we create a package for inclusion in the universe pocket of Ubuntu (meaning the software is supported by the ubuntu community but not canonical, and it will not be on CD or DVD); option 3: we do option 2 and also put the package in the kubuntu semi-
[10:55] <apachelogger> official PPAs for immediate availability
[10:55] <apachelogger> saLOUt: #kubuntu-devel is more suited btw
[11:10] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[11:17] <t3rmInAt0r_> guys, how may I roll my system back
[11:17] <t3rmInAt0r_> to specific data with all the data existed in there?
[11:19] <Incarus6> Doesn't Kubuntu 11.04 deliver KDE 4.7.1 in the ppa?
[11:21] <Incarus6> http://kde.org/announcements/announce-4.7.1.php
[11:22] <t3rmInAt0r_> is there any way to roll-back my machine a couple of hours to get some data?
[11:23] <OerHeks> Incarus6, KDE 4.7.0 is current in the backports ppa
[11:24] <Incarus6> OerHeks, yes, but they usually update the ppa to the latest version one or to days after it came out
[11:24] <BluesKaj> Incarus6, sudo add-apt-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports
[11:25] <OerHeks> i know, but the buildingteam is not ready yet
[11:25] <Incarus6> BluesKaj, "3 updates added during the past month." -> https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/backports
[11:26] <BluesKaj> Incarus6, don't forget to do sudo dist-upgrade
[11:26] <Incarus6> BluesKaj, are you sure this would work? according to my last URL it is still 4.7.0
[11:28] <Incarus6> http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/backports/ubuntu/pool/main/k/kde-workspace/
[11:28] <BluesKaj> Incarus6, you may need to reboot
[11:28] <Incarus6> BluesKaj, latest version in kubuntu-ppa backports is 4.7.0 ;)
[11:29] <BluesKaj> Incarus6, http://news.softpedia.com/news/KDE-SC-4-7-1-Is-Available-for-Download-220716.shtml
[11:32] <Incarus6> double-checked it, no new packages to install. Softpedia is wrong
[11:32] <BluesKaj> according to that article , 4.7.1 is in the backports ...what more can I tell you
[11:32] <Incarus6> according to the official ppa site it isn't
[11:33] <BluesKaj> Incarus6, I'm on 11.10 so maybe 11.04 repos areen't holding it
[11:34] <Incarus6> I also think so. They seems to hold back the packages for 11.04
[11:35] <BluesKaj> Incarus6, did you dist-upgrade ?...sometimes ppl forget
[11:36] <Incarus6> BluesKaj, I just can say what I said before, the packages are still 4.7.0: http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/backports/ubuntu/pool/main/k/kde-workspace/
[11:37] <Incarus6> related: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1841037
[11:41] <BluesKaj> Incarus6, well if you're that anxious you can aleways DL and complile, but frankly there's very little diff that I've noticed between .0 and .1
[11:42] <Incarus6> I disprefer doing so, I'll better way for 11.10, BluesKaj ;)
[11:43] <BluesKaj> disprefer?
[11:44] <BluesKaj> prefer not to , is the correct phrase Incarus6 ..I don't mean to be rude
[11:44] <Incarus6> another word for dislike
[11:44] <BluesKaj> no such word
[11:44] <Incarus6> http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/disprefer
[11:45] <BluesKaj> it's wiki , anyone can edit
[11:47] <BluesKaj> interesting tho , Incarus6 , if it's real word then it's use is rare in the extreme :)
[11:48] <Incarus6> according to my german-english dictionary it is more often used in scientific publications ;)
[11:55] <BluesKaj> Incarus6, I am now retired , but worked in the scientific field most of my working life and read extensively about various environmental/chemical processes and never came across "disprefer"
[11:56] <OerHeks> disprefer dislike ..
[11:56] <Incarus6> I am alive to new words ;)
[11:57] <BluesKaj> dislike would probly be the most popular usage
[11:58] <OerHeks> Kubuntu is fun, free learning KDE and English :-D
[12:01] <BluesKaj> well, english as used by us whose first langauge is so ...  looking words up ina dictiuonary is ok ,but learning the way ppl actually speak is the way it should be done IMO  :)
[12:01] <Incarus6> I read an article on Spiegel.de some time ago about English slogans and what they would mean if you translate them verbatim: http://www.spiegel.de/fotostrecke/fotostrecke-67579.html
[12:03] <BluesKaj> Incarus6, your use of the word "slogans" should be translated as 'expressions" ...a slogan is used by advertisers, politicians etc
[12:04] <Incarus6> the word is correct in that context, I was talking about advertisers ;)
[12:04]  * BluesKaj detects the ot cops lurking about :)
[12:05] <OerHeks> now ontoppic: if you feel like it, join the translation-team :-)
[12:08] <Incarus6> KDE-translation? I'm allready translating PC-BSD (but it's still offtopic, dude ;) )
[12:08] <BluesKaj> OerHeks, I prefer not to do so
[12:09] <BluesKaj>  is BSD keeping up? ...I found it difficult to find drivers that worked , even for common soundcards like SB etc
[12:10] <BluesKaj> haven't tried it for 3 yrs or so
[12:10] <Incarus6> I'm not using BSD, just translating because I like the project
[12:13] <BluesKaj> I know some ppl in western US who prefer it to linux ... but I fail to see any advantages
[12:14] <Incarus6> according to phoronix BSD is running linux software much faster
[12:16] <BluesKaj> Incarus6, BSD running linux software ..really ? Got a URL ?
[12:18] <Incarus6> BluesKaj, one related article: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=linux_games_bsd
[12:18] <Incarus6> but you know the reliability of phoronix benchmarks
[12:19] <BluesKaj> Incarus6, never paid much attn to phoronix
[12:21] <BluesKaj> and I'm not interested in gaming ...if I want to play games I'll use an xbox
[12:31] <Incarus6> you got an xbox? :D
[12:34] <BluesKaj> Incarus6, nope
[13:19] <cchildress> good morning/evening/afternoon, everyone.  I'm having some trouble getting bluetooth DUN working with my android phone. I can pair my phone and PC (and 2.3.5/kubuntu 11.04 x86), but the only service my pc detects is file sending; it doesn't detect the dial-up-networking part.  What am I doing wrong?  Thanks!
[13:19] <cchildress> oh, and i'm using pdanet
[13:36] <Macabro> list
[13:40] <BluesKaj> !list | Macabro
[13:59] <saLOUt> apachelogger: Thank you for your recommendations. I'm gonna think about it. I think option 2 might fit at best. I would like to use the openbuildservice, too, to build kind of trunk packages. I have to leave now. Do you still have these files you prepareed one for kubeplayer? Please drop me a mail in this case: saloution@googlemail.com .
[14:00] <apachelogger> if I find them
[14:22] <BarkingFish> Afternoon guys. I need some help here. I need to edit my grub2 setup since it's showing remnants of a lot of old installs, which i want to remove.  However, I go to /boot/grub/grub.cfg to edit it, and it says not to.
[14:22] <BarkingFish> How can I remove all the leftover bits from grub2 so I only have what I want in it?
[14:24] <ryan_> hello
[14:25] <ryan_> I'm running kubuntu 11.10 beta and I get the following error everytime I  check for updates
[14:25] <ryan_> Failed to download http://ppa.launchpad.net oneiric/main Sources
[14:25] <ryan_> 404  Not Found
[14:25] <ryan_> Failed to download http://ppa.launchpad.net oneiric/main amd64 Packages
[14:25] <ryan_> 404  Not Found
[14:25] <ryan_> Failed to download http://ppa.launchpad.net oneiric/main i386 Packages
[14:25] <FloodBotK2> ryan_: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[14:25] <FloodBotK1> ryan_: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[14:25] <BarkingFish> ryan_, all questions about the beta versions go in #ubuntu+1 please :)
[14:26] <ryan_> barkingFish ok
[14:26] <BarkingFish> Thanks :)
[14:34] <fraanz> #list
[14:55] <LordCrc> hi, i've got this laptop with 11.10 beta, and i just got a wireless usb mouse for it. It works great if i plug it in once kubuntu is up and running, but it somehow isn't detected if I boot my machine with it plugged in.
[14:55] <LordCrc> any ideas?
[15:11] <devilchaos> hi folks having a spot of trouble with adobe flash for firefox and acording to apt i have the latest version any1 any ideas please?
[15:12] <poon> ive had success using the firefox addon called flash-aid
[15:12] <poon> it removes the version you get from the repos and installs one from adobe
[15:12] <devilchaos> yes i did aswell but ive just upgraded through it and its now not working
[15:14] <devilchaos> flashplugin-nonfree is already the newest version
[15:14] <devilchaos> is what it states after the script is run
[15:15] <devilchaos> i hate it when it doesnt work so much depends on flash its unreal
[15:15] <poon> not sure then.  when i use it, it gets one from adobe and not any package
[15:16] <poon> right now it says it would get version 11.0.r1.129, september 6, 2011 from macromedia.com
[15:19] <daniel> hola que se comenta¿?
[15:20] <Peace-> daniel: hola daniel but this is a english room so ... #kubuntu-es
[15:20] <devilchaos> yeah had a tick box ticked for something called npviewer with 32bit wrapper for 64bit systems
[15:20] <devilchaos> soon as i unticked it installed the correct on and am bk up and running again
[15:21] <poon> hurray.  now you can youtube all day
[15:21] <BluesKaj> devilchaos, check for flashplugin-installer ...it should be installed with kubuntu-restricted-extras
[15:21] <devilchaos> very starnge
[15:21] <devilchaos> yeah am all good now have that installed aswell
[15:22] <devilchaos> thanks for trying to help
[15:22] <devilchaos> :0)
[15:22] <BluesKaj> then you should be good to go
[16:06] <accipter> Is there a way to index file names without indexing the content as well?
[17:19] <Soulreaver> hallo
[17:26] <avihay> accipter: you mean something like locate?
[17:27] <accipter> avihay: yeah, i just want to hit alt-f2 and type in a filename
[17:29] <avihay> well, it does that with the executables in the path
[17:30] <accipter> avihay: i use it primarily for pdfs
[17:31] <semitones> hey you guys i'm installing kubuntu-destkop!
[17:32] <semitones> is there a "you have crossed over to the dark side" tshirt I could buy from the KDE team
[17:32]  * genii-around hands semitones a nice blue Kubuntu t-shirt and coffee mug
[17:33] <semitones> thanks! now I can sit and caffeinate in style
[17:33] <avihay> well, the only way I can think of doing that without writing an input plugin for how ever you call the alt+f2 launcher, is to add the files you want to the kde menu
[17:33] <semitones> my rock-climbing buddy was using kubuntu on a camping trip, and I thought "why does his desktop look so awesome and mine is so boring?"
[17:34] <genii-around> Work, back later
[17:35] <avihay> accipter: I use Lancelot instead of the default kde menu, and when I tipe in it's search box, it finds recent documents too. too bad that it only looks at only the last 10 entries
[17:39] <mzanetti> is it possible to upgrade a kubuntu 8.10? do-release-upgrade doesn't work any more as the repos have already disappeared...
[17:41] <semitones> what is the difference between gdm and kdm?
[17:41] <mzanetti> semitones: gdm comes with gmone while kdm is for kde
[17:41] <mzanetti> they look a bit different but do the same job
[17:42] <semitones> mzanetti: its asking me whether i want to keep gdm or use kdm, just wondering if it makes a difference
[17:42] <semitones> i can always change later right?
[17:42] <mzanetti> not too much... you configure kdm using kde's systemsettings and gdm through gnomes one
[17:43] <mzanetti> if you want to get rid of gnome's systemsettings you will be probably better off with switching also the kdm
[17:43] <mzanetti> to kdm...
[17:44] <semitones> ok, thanks
[17:46] <avihay> mzanetti: you can probably still get an alternate disk for the version you want to upgrade to and run it's upgrade script
[17:46] <avihay> the alt disc will act as a mini-repository for the core packages
[17:46] <avihay> so it should be faster
[17:47] <mzanetti> avihay: oh, cool. I'll try that... thanks
[17:47] <mzanetti> would you reccomend a LTS version if its for someone else?
[17:47] <mzanetti> its a person which has basically no idea whats the difference between operating systems
[17:48] <mzanetti> but she was pissed off from windows vista and I installed her kubuntu, back in 2008
[17:48] <avihay> on one hand, LTS releases are a bit more stable, on the other hand, KDE has improved a lot, and an LTS release won't get the new shiny stuff
[17:49] <mzanetti> true... but she's used to kde 4.2 :D
[17:49] <mzanetti> I guess also the LTS has improved A LOT
[17:50] <avihay> if she lived with 8.10 till now, I guess she wouldn't mind an older ver
[17:52] <avihay> other possibilities include editing/replaceing your repositories config with a newer one and running update and upgread, very messy. or overriding your current install with a new one (without formatting). you'll have to reinstall all the packages that were installed in the past, but your home folder will stay the same, including your personal preferences
[17:54] <mzanetti> yeah... I'm more worried if I ever will get things like pppoe up and running again
[17:55] <avihay> if 8.10 is an LTS, I think you can upgrade to the next LTS directly with the next LTS's alternate CD, if not, then you might need to upgrade incrementally
[17:56] <mzanetti> unfortunately it isnt... 8.04 was an LTS... the repos for 8.04 are still up... thats what made me think about using an LTS this time
[17:58] <avihay> has she been useing kde3 untill now?
[17:58] <avihay> oh, nm
[18:03] <avihay> anyway, you always have the "more aggressive" ways. (I'm working with an overridden system for a long while now. you might also like to delete everything on the HDD except for the home folder before overriding if the normal overriding causes trouble)
[18:04] <mzanetti> the link for the 10.04-alternate-64bit iso on the website is broken
[18:05] <mzanetti> it is 10.04.2 but should be 10.04.3
[18:07] <mzanetti> avihay: thanks for your opinions. I'll try to upgrade using the 10.04 cd
[18:08] <avihay> there are various mirrors around the world
[18:08] <avihay> mzanetti: and I think you need the 9.04 and 9.10 disks first, and it will take hours
[18:09] <mzanetti> avihay: oh... can't I just skip the 9-versions?
[18:09] <avihay> for the incremental "by the script" upgread, that is
[18:09] <avihay> for overriding, you can use any version
[18:10] <mzanetti> overriding seems a bit dangerous to me... if the package manager looses track of the files I expect problems sooner or later...
[18:13] <BluesKaj> mzanetti, one can always use apt in the terminal ...all is not lost and one can always add repos by editing the sources.list
[18:14] <erolfr> hello,I'm new on linux. I've changed die Display Settings(second Monitor)  But the setting are the old after reboot.Whats my Failure
[18:15] <mzanetti> BluesKaj: yeah... that's what I'm trying right now... is it possible to just set the sources.list to 10.04 and du an update/upgrade or will that mess up the system?
[18:15] <avihay> it's kind of the opposite, in overriding (and by that I mean installing over), the installer just deletes  the existing packages, and some of the config files, and rewrites them anew
[18:16] <avihay> and upgrading incrementally with the upgrade scripts on the alternate discs is more error prone
[18:17] <BluesKaj> mzanetti, upgrade from what to 10.04 ?
[18:17] <BluesKaj> only upgrade to the next version in the release list, mzanetti
[18:18] <mzanetti> BluesKaj: 8.04
[18:18] <mzanetti> err... 8.10
[18:18] <mzanetti> but 9.04 seems to be gone also
[18:19] <BluesKaj> !eol | mzanetti
[18:20] <mzanetti> ubottu: yay! that looks promising. thanks a lot!
[18:21] <mzanetti> oh... I see! thanks BluesKaj :D
[19:04] <LordCrc_Away> I'll ask again if it's ok... I've got this laptop with 11.10 beta, and I just got a wireless usb mouse for it. It works great if i plug it in once kubuntu is up and running, but it somehow isn't detected if I boot my machine with it plugged in. Any ideas?
[19:08] <genii-around> LordCrc: What is the result for the mouse from the command: lsusb  ?
[19:08] <LordCrc> genii-around: 2 sec
[19:09] <LordCrc> i presume you mean when its working
[19:09] <genii-around> When it's plugged in :) Like to find it's vendor:id code
[19:10] <LordCrc> hmm interesting, now it worked from cold boot... i must admit i only rebooted my laptop earlier the few times it didnt work (i just got it today)
[19:11] <LordCrc> 046d:c52b, it's a logitech unifying receiver, mouse is 705m (or m705?)
[19:11] <LordCrc> let me reboot and see
[19:12] <genii-around> LordCrc: Might also want to run sudo update-usbids if it's a fairly new device
[19:13] <LordCrc> ok, let me revise: cold boot == worky, reboot == no worky
[19:14] <LordCrc> thats much more acceptable at least...
[19:14] <genii-around> Interesting. Probably powers off the usb port when it does that
[19:15] <BarkingFish> genii-around, Hi!  We're all up and live this end, everything is working perfectly now.  Hard disks are all correct, grub is updated so I only have my main entries on it... It's all good now!  Thanks for last night's help.
[19:15] <LordCrc> well, full shutdown and boot-up isnt much more painful than rebooting, so that's a good workaround for now
[19:15] <genii-around> BarkingFish: You're welcome. Glad we could get it working.
[19:16] <BarkingFish> All i have left to do now is speak to Scott in the -devel channel and get the instructions again for setting up my packaging tools.
[19:19] <LordCrc> also why does hibernate log me out?
[19:28] <joshh^> hello all
[19:29] <LordCrc> hi
[19:30] <joshh^> hi LordCrc
[19:31] <joshh^> is anyone alive here?
[19:33] <LordCrc> a few it seems, im just another user though so may not provide much help :)
[19:33] <joshh^> ok
[19:34] <joshh^> have u usued ubuntu ?
[19:35] <maco> joshh^: please keep all support requests in the channel so everyone can benefit from the answers, and always remember to ask permission before PMing
[19:36] <joshh^>  I have XP installed on my system...how do I install Ubuntu...I need dual boot...please help
[19:37] <maco> joshh^: do you have an ubuntu live cd yet? boot from it, and when you choose to install it'll offer to "install alongside" your current OS. choose that and it'll automate the dual boot process
[19:38] <joshh^> I'm planning to use a USB installer instead of CD for installation purpose
[19:39] <maco> ah, ok. well in that case...
[19:39]  * maco looks for link
[19:40] <maco> !usb | joshh^
[19:41] <LordCrc> I used this to create an USB pen installer from ISO image, very easy http://www.pendrivelinux.com/universal-usb-installer-easy-as-1-2-3/
[19:45] <joshh^> thanks LordCrc
[19:46] <joshh^> I just want to make sure that I don't lose XP while installin Ubuntu
[19:46] <maco> the other way around is more the norm ;)
[19:46] <LordCrc> joshh^: _should_ go ok, but i'd back up anything important in any case
[19:46] <maco> ubuntu will detect other OSes and set up a screen to choose betwen ubuntu and whatever else you have on each boot
[19:46] <maco> windows will just clobber
[19:47] <LordCrc> though i must admit i havent dual booted in ages
[19:47] <LordCrc> most dangerous part is if you have to resize a partition to make room
[19:47] <maco> LordCrc: kubuntu's installer doesnt make you do that manually
[19:47] <maco> LordCrc: there's a dual boot option and you tell it what the max size you want it to be is (based on free space) and it sorts it all out for you
[19:48] <LordCrc> maco: yeah i meant the actual process of resizing :)
[19:48] <LordCrc> maco: power loss then would be bad
[19:48] <maco> LordCrc: i think power loss in general is pretty bad for computers :P
[19:48] <LordCrc> maco: heh yeah true
[19:48] <joshh^> I have parititioned and formatted it already so that I can install Ubuntu on it
[19:48] <LordCrc> joshh^: then you should be in pretty good shape
[19:50] <elgaton> Hi everyone, anywone knows where the default SSL certificates for Kubuntu are stored (i.e. the ones displayed in the "SSL Options" module in the Control Center?)
[19:50] <BluesKaj> joshh^, then use the manual partitining and just set the / and if you had decided on a /home , you caqn set that as well
[19:51] <LordCrc> maco: that being said I really wish the automagic partitioner had a "max size" option
[19:51] <LordCrc> maco: instead of 100% or manual
[19:52] <maco> its not really 100%
[19:52] <maco> some free space is left in the old os
[19:52] <maco> or do you mean if you're starting from blank?
[19:52] <LordCrc> maco: i mean on a clean disk
[19:52] <maco> ah ok
[19:52] <LordCrc> I wanted to keep 20gb for other purposes, but noo :)
[19:52] <maco> well theoretically im the installer dev for kubuntu now, so i guess come november i can see what the others think of me trying to do that
[19:53] <LordCrc> i resized it after installing so it's ok, but
[19:53] <linux-beginner-h> are there kmail2 users online? :-)
[19:53] <LordCrc> i mean, shouldnt be too hard to have a "use this much" box in there? :D
[19:53] <joshh^> Bluekaj: Thankyou
[20:14] <BarkingFish> Evening dudes. Anyone able to tell me why removing rekonq from my system has just automatically installed a replacement browser in its place without my actually wanting it?
[20:15] <tranformers> i need change in lunux what kind program like alcohol 120 ? i have iso file with game (7.3Gb)but i do not have DL disc
[20:15] <BarkingFish> I just took rekonq off because the system was ignoring my default browser choice, firefox, and when I looked at the remove, it'd installed konqueror instead.
[20:17] <maco> BarkingFish: do you have mozplugger installed? it should accept firefox as a valid alternative, though....
[20:17] <BarkingFish> maco, no, I don't
[20:18] <maco> also, where did you set the default browser choice?
[20:19] <maco> system settings -> default applications -> web browser ->  [ text box ] ?
[20:20] <maco> BarkingFish: it looks like kubuntu-konqueror-shortcuts depends on rekonq or konqueror
[20:22] <BarkingFish> maco, yep, I just found out :)
[20:22] <BarkingFish> Thanks anyhoo
[20:24] <BluesKaj> tranformers, checkout mkisofs
[20:35] <tranformers> i try thanks
[20:40] <[Relic]> Is there any way to get a logitech mouse to work properly?
[20:43] <[Relic]> it appears cooperative inside some applications like this but for the multiple desktops and switching too them it doesn't seem to be to nicely reacting
[20:43] <avihay> [Relic]: should be plug and prey. try to find it in the lsusb output (I assume it's a USB mouse and not a PS/2 one), and google it, or ask here with more details
[20:44] <avihay> ah, it sounds like it's working fine but it doesn't redraw because your system is too busy with other stuff
[20:46] <[Relic]> can't be, this is the only other thing running
[20:47] <[Relic]> and it is a q9300 quad so it is probably using about 4% cpu tops at any given time with only a couple background apps running
[20:48] <genii-around> [Relic]: What is the line in result of lsusb for it?
[20:50] <[Relic]> Bus 005 Device 002: ID 046d:c246 Logitech, Inc.
[20:50] <[Relic]> getting the feeling I shouldn't have bought the newset thing in my budget range w/o checking it out first
[20:53] <LordCrc> the fact the kubuntu installer doesn't work on x64 efi systems, is that a know issue or should i report it?
[20:56] <BluesKaj> LordCrc, have considered the 'alternate install cd' ?
[20:57] <LordCrc> BluesKaj: no, i just disabled efi in bios instead, i was just curious if i should report it... would be better if the installer said "sorry mac" than pretending to work imho
[20:57] <BluesKaj> efi ?
[20:58] <LordCrc> yes
[20:58] <LordCrc> uefi if you like
[20:58] <BluesKaj> oh
[21:01] <BluesKaj> bbl ...errands before dinner
[21:03] <ali___> how to recover data on kubuntu ???
[21:05] <LordCrc> ali__: you'll need to describe your problem in more detail i think
[21:07] <SubCool> im back, grub issues.
[21:07] <ali__> mistakenly i have formated my hd and i lost my documents now is their any way to recover it ???
[21:10] <genii-around> [Relic]: I don't see it listed yet at http://www.linux-usb.org/usb.ids either
[21:11] <LordCrc> ali__: possibly, depends on how you formatted your hd
[21:12] <ali__> is their any software through which i can recover my data ???
[21:14] <LordCrc> ali__: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1525650
[21:14] <LordCrc> ali__: also https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DataRecovery
[21:16] <[Relic]> thought I might be able to use one of the other set ups to get it to cooperate a bit better
[21:25] <tranformers_> anyone no sleep ? problem in RUSSIA with Ubuntu forums!!!!
[21:32] <OerHeks> tranformers, http://forum.ubuntu.ru/ works fine her
[21:32] <OerHeks> i can't read any of it, but looks fine
[21:35] <tranformers_> Good night, I hope that this message reaches the most Supreme Canonical.
[21:35] <tranformers_> Those who are familiar with officials please pass my message.
[21:35] <tranformers_> I've never been a fan of forums for 3 years, therefore, use sumptuous Ubuntu and Kubuntu are never came particularly at Russian forums.
[21:35] <tranformers_> You know the code of honour and etiquette IRC channel.
[21:35] <tranformers_> I am sincerely grateful to you for assistance will continue to talk with you in English. My native language is Russian, and that's what I read in Russian! Our case insult in Russia on the pages of the official forums! Mate, abusive name-calling, lay subjective assessment. Scold not only us but also by Microsoft. Now I'm želatmuû I didn't get a job at Canonical. I don't have the money and I'm a freelance consultant installing
[21:35] <FloodBotK2> tranformers_: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
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[21:36] <OerHeks> tranformers_, please join #Ubuntu-ru ?
[22:30] <SubCool> Could someone help me fix grub- im having serious issues
[22:34] <ikonia> SubCool: please don't cross post
[22:35] <SubCool> different people..
[22:38] <Torch> SubCool: you're also asking a meta question... if you don't state the exact problem, no one's going to be able to help you
[23:30] <sansey> всем привет
[23:31] <sansey> такая проблема, нужно выключить дискретную видеокарту
[23:31] <sansey> кто подскажет?
[23:31] <Unit193> !ru | sansey
[23:40] <ubuntu__> hi
[23:41] <crowx-> I installed windows in one partition, then I installed kubuntu on 3 other partitions, 1 for swap, 1 for boot, and 1 for root.
[23:41] <crowx-> but after the installation, grub didn't get load at all, and windows started directly
[23:41] <crowx-> then I booted again  from the live cd
[23:42] <crowx-> and used fdisk and noticed that /dev/sda3 (the /boot partition) didn't have a bootable flag, so I added one, saved it, and rebooted. Now I see "Invalid partition table" error when booting
[23:42] <crowx-> and nothing boots
[23:42] <crowx-> any help please?
[23:50] <crowx-> I installed windows in one partition, then I installed kubuntu on 3 other partitions, 1 for swap, 1 for boot, and 1 for root. but after the installation, grub didn't get load at all, and windows started directly. then I booted again  from the live cd and used fdisk and noticed that /dev/sda3 (the /boot partition) didn't have a bootable flag, so I added one, saved it, and rebooted. Now I see "Invalid partition table" error when booting. and nothing boots.
[23:54] <Linkmaster> crowx-: I'm not experienced in this, but try reinstalling grub, see if that helps
[23:58] <backtrackmobile> hi guys i need a help
[23:59] <backtrackmobile> i wanto to recompyle a kernel to use the kubuntu mobile version on my device, i tryed to ask in the right channel but the discussion title is "qt etc etc"